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the CPU hanging multiple times 03:11:05 required inturrupting 03:11:51 then I went to go find an alternative with cl-async 03:12:24 https://github.com/orthecreedence/drakma-async 03:13:05 The author of cl-async wrote himself and using this drakma, i did not have any problems 03:13:26 Ryan_Burnside [~ryan@63-153-69-204.hlna.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 03:13:57 it bypasses cl+ssl and instead uses cl-async-ssl 03:14:05 sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 03:14:08 cl+ssl why do you perform poorly :( ? 03:14:17 maybe it's because i'm using windows 03:14:40 for what it's worth i had similar cl-irc problems to yours, on linux 03:15:01 Hello! 03:15:28 I was thinking more about making a 2D drafting package. I really like the idea of Lisp running the show. But can you actually compile the lisp engine into the lisp application? 03:15:46 yes 03:15:51 it is more work to compile it out 03:16:20 tcr [~tcr@95-90-245-81-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 03:16:31 interesting, i wonder if i can find out what makes cl+ssl problematic 03:16:33 I like that AutoCAD has a lisp engine build in. 03:17:14 @Xach how do you compile it out? And I wonder about legality of it in something in clisp or sbcl... 03:17:48 Ryan_Burnside: you can't, in sbcl or clisp. commercial lisps have more options when it comes to delivering with less-than-full CL environments attached. 03:18:01 sbcl is public domain so you can do whatever. clisp is lgpl so you can't. 03:18:09 or maybe gpl. i can't remember. 03:18:34 gpl, I believe. The problem with public domain is that you cannot actually put things into the public domain in many countries. 03:18:46 I'd defiantly credit the engine 03:18:51 They have to get there by you being dead for an excessive amount of time, or some-such. 03:19:02 -!- moto9 [~ml@p3E9E0D77.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:19:17 Ryan_Burnside: Who would try to stop you? 03:20:14 I just don't want to abuse the work of the engine writers. 03:20:21 I want to be fair with such things. 03:20:30 sykopomp` [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 03:20:43 -!- tcr [~tcr@95-90-245-81-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:20:52 Sorry, just a bad joke. It does not seem to me like defiantly is the right word. 03:21:18 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 03:21:27 Darn typo. 03:21:28 haha 03:21:30 didn't catch it 03:21:48 English isn't my first language. 03:22:04 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:22:10 oh my...the cl+ssl examples don't run well either :/ 03:22:13 My first language was a series of toddler gurgles. 03:23:21 Infantile babble. 03:24:09 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:24:35 -!- harish [~harish@175.156.118.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:24:53 WAAAAAHHHH <- "Hello World" 03:27:32 -!- ubikation [~quassel@c-67-168-252-238.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:27:49 I wonder if I should do the GUI part of such software in C++ then do the logic in Lisp and wrap it? I fear that most of the Lisp GUI's are getting long in the tooth for a serious sellable project. 03:27:58 tolk` [~user@host35.190-31-125.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 03:28:10 I'd start by considering html5. 03:28:45 I've actually put a lot of thought into it... 03:28:58 Ryan_Burnside: CAPI seems like a popular option for commercial GUI software in Lisp. 03:29:07 I'll google it now... 03:29:50 -!- tolk [~user@host65.190-138-194.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:31:00 Any idea how much LispWorks costs? I see you need that... 03:31:29 tolk`` [~user@host63.201-252-79.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 03:31:51 moto9 [~ml@p3E9E0EF0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 03:31:54 Ryan_Burnside: it varies. you can get limited evaluation copies without contacting sales or more complete evaluation versions by contacting sales. 03:32:13 and what you pay can be negotiable, too. but i think prices are listed on the website. 03:33:09 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:33:20 -!- tolk` [~user@host35.190-31-125.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:33:24 harish [~harish@175.156.118.29] has joined #lisp 03:33:33 -!- ampersand27017 [~ampersand@76.91.115.14] has quit [Quit: ampersand27017] 03:35:02 -!- CrazyEddy [~prorealis@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:35:05 Darn I can't afford it. 03:35:11 $1500 03:35:29 ikki [~ikki@187.208.254.46] has joined #lisp 03:35:42 Were you going to give away the 2d drafting program? 03:35:53 It was going to be free for personal use. 03:36:17 But not so for commercial use. 03:36:43 I really hate to do that to people but I need to get some income. 03:36:49 You could ask for an evaluation license that expires in a year, develop your product, make one sale, and presto, development tool cost covered. 03:38:08 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:40:12 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:43:18 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 03:45:28 yakov_ [~yakov@37-144-231-236.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 03:45:50 -!- Ryan_Burnside [~ryan@63-153-69-204.hlna.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:45:50 ryan_ [~ryan@63-153-65-241.hlna.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 03:47:45 -!- ryan_ is now known as Ryan_Burnside 03:47:50 I think i'm going to write a new youtube api wrapper 03:48:03 Ltk looks promising... 03:48:15 cl-youtube is really old and parses things via XML instead of the Google's JSON option 03:50:25 -!- yakov_ [~yakov@37-144-231-236.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:52:20 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 03:53:26 Ha! 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There is no EXIT, QUIT, STOP, or LEAVE in the CLHS 06:18:25 Is the idea that you never want to leave? 06:18:51 -!- drmeiste_ is now known as drmeister_ 06:18:54 drmeiste_: Hahaha  usually something impl-specific like (ccl:quit) 06:19:03 tcr [~tcr@95-90-245-81-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 06:19:27 Ok - thanks. 06:19:52 CL was kind of designed from lisp machines, so you didn't always have an external environment to quit to 06:20:19 Bike: Not even a cl:shutdown? ;) 06:20:22 Try (exit) 06:23:12 Bike what programming languages do you know? You sure know your Lisp. 06:23:33 -!- tcr [~tcr@95-90-245-81-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:24:13 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@128-68-19-251.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:25:47 i dunno, some 06:26:53 cdidd [~cdidd@128-68-32-253.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 06:27:20 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:29:49 jewel [~jewel@105-237-24-51.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:30:28 ohsix [~ohsix@208.100.175.111] has joined #lisp 06:33:30 -!- frkout [~frkout@80.112.147.124.dy.bbexcite.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:33:57 frkout [~frkout@113.37.230.101] has joined #lisp 06:34:49 has (a)hefner been on in recent history 06:35:26 ah 9 weeks, email it is then 06:35:47 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 06:36:20 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 06:36:54 -!- frkout [~frkout@113.37.230.101] has quit [Remote host 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(: sleep nigh? 17:34:17 productivity comes at night haha 17:34:47 -!- doomlord [~doomlod@host86-180-26-144.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:09 so you guys doing anything serious in lisp? 17:36:35 I'm trying to work on (yet another) web framework, but motivation has stalled lately. 17:37:10 heh; best solar time o' the day; midnight. 17:37:20 persizzl: +1 17:37:55 I used to use NewLisp for production, just 1 project 17:38:13 been following up but isn't really doing lisp nowadays 17:38:25 besides configuring my emacs 17:39:29 ampersand27017 [~ampersand@76.91.115.14] has joined #lisp 17:40:41 *persizzl* is working on using lisp && gtk 17:41:09 motionman: going to post yer dot emacs config?! (: 17:41:16 cool 17:41:24 -!- xkosh [~user@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:41:31 persizzl: haha, nothing much in there 17:41:45 i'm sure you can find lots of them in github 17:43:43 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:43:43 (: 17:44:44 -!- lufu [~user@5.254.129.78] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:44:50 going to bed, i'll be sticking around in this channel 17:45:17 happy lurking. 17:45:18 going back to lisp since i have more free time these days 17:45:30 ciao 17:45:43 -!- motionman [~klrkdekir@210.195.224.156] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:49:06 doomlord [~doomlod@host86-180-26-144.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 17:52:15 shaungilchrist [~chatzilla@c-67-182-222-192.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:55:12 bixuanzju [~user@183.157.160.1] has joined #lisp 17:55:51 -!- bixuanzju [~user@183.157.160.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:56:20 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:56:54 bixuanzju [~user@183.157.160.1] has joined #lisp 17:57:29 -!- goldbrush [~emil@2.68.121.210.mobile.tre.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:58:31 -!- davazp [~user@92.251.180.179.threembb.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:00:43 -!- bixuanzju [~user@183.157.160.1] has quit [Client Quit] 18:01:42 -!- ampersand27017 [~ampersand@76.91.115.14] has quit [Quit: ampersand27017] 18:01:49 dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has joined #lisp 18:04:32 -!- round-robin [~bubo@91.224.149.58] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:07:45 CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has joined #lisp 18:08:12 -!- Aethaeryn [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:11:36 tortal [~tortal@unaffiliated/tortal] has joined #lisp 18:17:46 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:17:56 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:18:30 nug700 [~nug700@174-26-153-201.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:18:52 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:19:11 lufu [~user@5.254.129.78] has joined #lisp 18:27:03 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:28:59 ikki [~ikki@201.165.170.26] has joined #lisp 18:29:03 re. 18:30:19 eug_ [~eugene@epogee.dhcp.lbnl.us] has joined #lisp 18:30:29 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:30:35 hi all. is there a quick intro on how to provide a REPL via ECL? 18:30:40 ideally with tab completion 18:31:14 do you mean in a distributed application, or just for the developer? 18:35:08 danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:36:46 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 18:37:28 bike: both 18:37:44 bike: to start with, for the developer (so i can play with it) - coming from a clojure world 18:37:51 bike: but my final goal is in a distributed application 18:38:02 (which is in c++) 18:40:26 ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-235-135.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 18:40:58 well, for development most people use emacs+slime 18:44:52 resttime [~rest@99.135.190.144] has joined #lisp 18:45:00 -!- CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:48:48 cool; so I can run a slime server via ecl? 18:49:04 got it 18:50:19 the lisp side is called swank, yeah 18:50:58 -!- persizzl [~twosizes@gateway/tor-sasl/persizzl] has quit [Quit: persizzl] 18:52:00 right; and i can run a swank server from ecl embedded inside an application, hopefully 18:53:15 found it: http://yastacs.blogspot.com/2013/01/embed-ecl-and-run-swank-on-windows-part.html 18:54:15 at least that's a windows-specific one. seems simpler in other OSes 18:57:05 principia [~Adium@pool-96-252-36-172.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:00:27 aaaah ELPA 19:01:39 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 19:03:22 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-80-9.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:05:16 normanrichards [~normanric@nat-7-165-91-12-172.tamulink.tamu.edu] has joined #lisp 19:05:24 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.165.170.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:07:49 -!- ezakimak [~nick@72.250.219.55] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:09:57 -!- eug_ [~eugene@epogee.dhcp.lbnl.us] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:12:41 ngz [~user@91.224.148.150] has joined #lisp 19:17:39 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 19:19:00 -!- principia [~Adium@pool-96-252-36-172.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:22:59 -!- ngz [~user@91.224.148.150] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:23:13 -!- tortal [~tortal@unaffiliated/tortal] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:23:31 ngz [~user@91.224.148.150] has joined #lisp 19:27:40 -!- dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:27:46 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:28:07 -!- fridim__ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317871.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:28:27 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 19:28:37 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:36:43 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:37:50 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:44:07 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:47:55 sykopomp` [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 19:48:47 principia [~Adium@pool-96-252-36-172.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:49:23 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:50:38 eug_ [~eugene@m9e0536d0.tmodns.net] has joined #lisp 19:50:45 ok... strange new problem with slime + ecl 19:50:58 -!- sykopomp` is now known as sykopomp 19:51:00 ecl seems to have an old version of asdf (using ecl 11.1.1) 19:51:01 -!- honkfest_ [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: honkfest_] 19:51:10 i get the error: 19:51:13 Your ASDF is too old. The oldest version supported by swank-asdf is 2.014.6. 19:51:33 i have the ubuntu package cl-asdf but ecl doesn't see the newer version 19:52:11 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5B2B13DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:53:44 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Brb] 19:54:41 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 19:55:53 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:57:23 nvm; i'll just download a newer version of ecl 19:57:25 hope that fixes things 19:57:34 -!- principia [~Adium@pool-96-252-36-172.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:58:16 holycow [~holycow@host-216-251-135-194.bchsia.skywaywest.net] has joined #lisp 20:05:16 -!- JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-210-215.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:05:53 true-techie [~chatzilla@184.170.23.237] has joined #lisp 20:06:13 -!- true-techie 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22:29:19 dan_ [~dan@host-78-151-203-46.as13285.net] has joined #lisp 22:29:42 -!- dan_ is now known as Guest7645 22:33:26 joekarma [~joekarma@184.151.231.199] has joined #lisp 22:42:12 petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-57-46.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 22:42:33 Ryan_Burnside [~ryan@63-153-65-176.hlna.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:43:19 What would be the preferred way to pass around geometry points? A point structure? A simple 3 part list? A 3 part array? 22:43:35 struct or class could be nice 22:43:43 Ok 22:45:05 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:45:30 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 22:45:50 lisp seems slimey to me 22:45:59 (not in a bad sense) 22:46:14 the ((())) syntax is like slime. 22:46:40 @_@ 22:48:22 I guess it is because it makes the code more blobby looking instead of having sharp edges? 22:48:51 it does look less pointy than {{}}, and the average lisp code file /is/ more "homologous" looking than your average JavaScript code file.... So I agree, Lisp /does/ look more... biological 22:49:42 I think the word I was looking for there was "uniform" 22:50:37 The unique syntax is what made me take interest. It was like a giant math problem. 22:50:50 I will say as well that the process for building a lisp program feels more like you're growing a living thing than engineering a system, at least for me 22:51:31 Even though function nesting is not unique to lisp it sure feels more like the functions just fold into nothing. 22:51:45 Like you'd see in a math problem. 22:52:13 -!- namtsui [~user@c-76-21-121-73.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:52:29 math inspired its own markup language (tex) just to write it, so i dunno how great a comparison that is :p 22:53:53 (1 + (2 * 3)) is visually more like (+ 1 (* 2 3)) to me than add(1, multiply( 2, 3)) 22:55:06 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:56:19 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 22:56:24 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: conversation discontinued because no continuation expected] 22:56:36 gr4nf [~gr4nf@190.86.177.25] has joined #lisp 22:56:37 -!- petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-57-46.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:57:13 faust45 [~faust45@91.228.236.131] has joined #lisp 22:57:39 What I mean is that having everything inside ( ) means that you can mentally ignore it more easily then you can with function(par) because the parens enclose the functions. 22:58:05 -!- Guest7645 [~dan@host-78-151-203-46.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: Guest7645] 23:00:13 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 23:02:21 petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-57-46.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 23:02:47 I think the biggest advantage to s expressions over m expressions is the symmetry it brings when mapping code to data and vice versa: data: '(foo 1 2), code: (foo 1 2) vs. data: '(foo 1 2), code: foo[1; 2] or foo(1, 2) 23:03:13 and yes, it definitely makes grouping clearer 23:14:14 -!- gr4nf [~gr4nf@190.86.177.25] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 23:15:13 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 23:16:57 -!- petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-57-46.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:22:26 petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-57-46.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 23:23:36 -!- scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-71-167.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:25:03 -!- tcr [~tcr@95-90-245-81-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:25:50 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:30:58 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 23:31:50 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:34:40 normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-147-067-223.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 23:35:09 -!- maxter [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:35:42 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 23:36:45 -!- petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-57-46.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:41:19 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:42:24 -!- Nisstyre-laptop is now known as Nisstyre 23:42:34 petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-57-46.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 23:43:21 Guest71963 [~eugene@epogee.dhcp.lbnl.us] has joined #lisp 23:43:38 hi all. what is the time complexity of the with function in fset? 23:43:59 does it actually copy the original data structure? 23:44:54 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:45:19 i'm going to guess it's logarithmic time but i haven't checked 23:45:36 oh sets, anyway 23:45:46 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-147-067-223.mycingular.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:45:58 seangrove [~user@c-67-188-11-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:48:12 arubin [~arubin@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:51:31 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 23:53:41 namtsui [~user@c-76-21-121-73.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:55:01 pierre1 [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has joined #lisp