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[~user@host24.190-226-82.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:25:08 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 02:25:47 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 02:27:50 So I was under the impression that in order to append the return values of the primary method and the after method all I needed to do was to add a :method-combination append to the defgeneric form, but reality seems to disagree 02:28:17 Using CFFI, how would I declare a self referential struct? Like in `struct foo { void *a; struct foo *b;};' 02:28:59 Which incidentally is a common construction for single linked lists in C. 02:29:38 pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has joined #lisp 02:29:49 PuercoPop: those method combinations only have primary and :around methods 02:30:14 interesting, now the error message makes sense. 02:32:44 is defining my own combination type with define-method-combination going to allow me to use the after method or should I use the around qualifier and use it as an after method? 02:33:20 i think you should probably reconsider your strategy. perhaps you could explain what you're doing 02:33:46 method combinations are a pretty unused part of CL, when i mentioned using the short form in here a while ago i was apparently unique 02:34:27 -!- nyef [~nyef@pool-70-109-145-126.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 02:34:33 persizzl [~twosizes@c-98-246-47-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:34:40 -!- clog [~nef@bespin.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:35:00 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 02:36:24 Well I was just playing around with the CLOS to get to know it better as I read Keene's book. So I wrote a little Write to github's contribution activity as if it was a banner. Which everything but adding a separation between letters is done. I had thought of using an :after method to add an extra empty column when drawing a letter. 02:37:54 afters are for side effects. try around 02:38:01 frkout [~frkout@101.110.31.120] has joined #lisp 02:38:18 *PuercoPop* nods 02:39:17 Why do you say they are for side effects? 02:39:34 you can't return a thing from it 02:39:54 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:42:15 sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:43:06 -!- cscorp [~csorp@c-98-230-174-67.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: cscorp] 02:43:24 Bike_ [~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu] has joined #lisp 02:44:02 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:44:27 antgreen [~green@216.254.163.111] has joined #lisp 02:45:53 *PuercoPop* nods. 02:46:52 harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-esxqkckudekhfzfc] has joined #lisp 02:46:57 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 02:48:39 cscorp [~csorp@c-98-230-174-67.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:54:03 -!- phadthai [mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net] has quit [Quit: bbl] 02:56:12 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:56:56 Keene's book gives the following code[1] resembling how an effective method looks. I apparently misunderstood that by default the combination is progn but if the method combination were to be append all the before and afters would be appended into a list with the primary. 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15:14:33 Will check it out 15:15:01 I have to say that this fragmentation seems like a bitch 15:16:01 which fragmentation? 15:16:46 between all the implementations 15:17:45 i don't see any fragmentation, but if you do, you can always use just one implementation 15:17:54 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2-dev] 15:18:35 I do use one implementation - I'm talking about the differences between versions, api's etc 15:18:45 how often is the CL spec updated/reviewed? 15:18:46 ampersand27017 [~ampersand@h-69-3-174-99.lsan.ca.megapath.net] has joined #lisp 15:18:58 never 15:18:59 e.g. C11 was only just recently. 15:19:01 oh 15:19:17 So, Common Lisp the specification will be, and forever shall be, the same? 15:19:28 yes 15:19:28 obviously individual implementations will innovate in certain areas 15:19:55 there are numerous compatibility layers 15:20:03 I've seen some of them 15:20:25 so, there's no problems in practice 15:20:26 Are there no movements to once again do something like what caused Common Lisp to appear? 15:20:42 a grassroots movement to standardize the Lisps, as wikipedia puts it 15:20:52 nope 15:20:54 I see 15:20:55 nilsi [~nilsi@116.228.29.66] has joined #lisp 15:20:56 ok 15:21:11 Grassroots? 15:21:26 I guess as grassroots as the department of defense gets 15:21:33 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:21:50 I'm just going off what I read, not really deep in the history of it all 15:22:18 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:22:39 the lisp curse 15:22:46 Was CL a DoD project too? Like Ada? 15:22:52 yacks [~py@103.6.159.100] has joined #lisp 15:22:57 chu: its paychecks were a strong motivator 15:23:00 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 15:23:08 As for the problem at hand, Bordeaux Threads seems great 15:23:13 Cool 15:23:27 Very similar to pthreads in its API 15:23:41 chu: peter seibel gave a great talk on the topic at ILC in reno 15:23:58 Xach: video? 15:24:18 no video, but here's a time machine 15:24:31 AeroNotix: there is a recording 15:25:11 stassats: can I have the keys to the time machine, please? 15:25:36 I'll tweet Peter and see if he has a link 15:25:55 I have a link. 15:25:57 oh ok 15:26:04 i feel that the next standard will stall somewhere around whether to allow keywroded loop clauses 15:27:38 *Xach* uploads 15:27:47 or whether to use #' before (lambda ()) 15:28:00 or whether &aux aught to be thrown out 15:28:29 davazp [~user@31.200.168.64] has joined #lisp 15:28:35 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:29:10 -!- chameco [~samuel@cpe-74-69-188-107.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:30:31 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 15:30:51 I must say that the loop macros is almost a whole language in itself 15:30:53 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 15:30:55 and kind of non-lispy 15:31:08 -!- Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31:43 if loop is a part of lisp, how can it be non-lispy? 15:31:48 proving stassats's point 15:32:23 http://xach.com/lisp/weekly-repl_ep-1.mp3 15:32:31 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:32:56 Cheers Xach 15:32:57 stassats: I guess I mean that it seems quite procedural in its syntax 15:32:58 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 15:33:02 There were no visuals 15:33:24 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 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lines makes it clear enough to me 15:39:21 oh definitely that's what I've been doing 15:39:23 and keywords looks just awkward 15:39:30 mhm 15:39:35 that's what everybody has been doing 15:39:40 cool 15:39:49 so I know I won't piss people off with my newlines :) 15:39:54 and keywords in LOOP look atrocious 15:40:03 *p_l* uses both keywords and newlines... ;) 15:40:05 I like them 15:40:08 Symbols aren't particularly expensive. 15:40:10 The thing that always bothered me about loop is the "x = y" type of syntax 15:40:23 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: normanrichards] 15:40:24 *fe[nl]ix* likes pink loops 15:40:35 i enjoy loop. it's handy. 15:41:04 if I have to work in blub I tend to miss it almost immediately. 15:41:30 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:41:45 some people seem to be using keywords for the lack of better editor support 15:41:45 Depends on what blub you're using 15:41:46 I think it has its nicely limited idiomatic use-cases. :) 15:41:59 a proper editor could color each loop clauses with a different color of the rainbow 15:42:09 stassats: huh, cool idea :P 15:42:18 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-132-103.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:42:34 stassats: that's correct 15:42:44 but useless 15:43:10 and it even could prepend ":" before displaying them, and lo, no more bike-shedding 15:43:50 AeroNotix: from my perspective, (not 'common-lisp) is blub 15:44:33 seems a bit fundamentalist 15:44:51 no, just properly smug 15:44:54 :) 15:47:14 I used to sympathise with the "not enough parentheses in loop" group.. but it has its advantages 15:47:24 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-243-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:48:22 Working on a pile of legacy code that prefers the iterate macro, I have already been bitten twice by implementation symbols shadowing someone's intended use of, for example, `while' 15:48:41 -!- ampersand27017 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Do you happen to remember? 18:34:40 err I guess stassats isn't on 18:35:05 anyone else know? 18:35:39 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:36:09 ubikation: there's #abcl as well. maybe someone there could help you 18:36:16 ubikation: also, google 18:36:36 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 18:36:43 ah, thanks. 18:37:27 sohail [~sohail@69-196-176-38.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 18:37:27 -!- sohail [~sohail@69-196-176-38.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Changing host] 18:37:27 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 18:37:41 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: activity ended because computer sucks] 18:41:05 billstclair [~billstcla@p-69-195-57-70.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 18:41:05 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@p-69-195-57-70.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:41:05 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 18:41:26 where should I put defpackage? I created my project with quickproject and it doesn't seem to be anywhere. 18:42:35 -!- wws [~billstcla@p-69-195-53-140.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:42:52 ubikation: Theres not a package.lisp file? 18:42:53 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:43:22 ubikation: The .asd should have references to all the source files. 18:43:48 yup package.lisp contains it! sorry about that! 18:46:28 xaxisx [~xaxisx@24.137.208.218] has joined #lisp 18:46:29 BitPuffin [~quassel@c80-216-147-180.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 18:47:11 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@user-0c6smgl.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: I tend to be neutral about apples] 18:51:54 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:53:04 what's the most complicated piece of code running on abcl that has an open repository? 18:53:47 maxima? sbcl? 18:53:51 ubikation: many commonly used CL libraries can be built with abcl 18:54:41 sorry I should have been more specific. What is a complex library that specifically leverage abcl-java interop? 18:55:55 ubikation: you should probably ask the ABCL people .. i don't think too many (any?) people here use ABCL much 18:58:17 oGMo: thanks, I'll ask around in #abcl 18:58:19 ubikation: you could write a good one. :-) 18:59:54 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:01:55 samebchase: thanks! I hope so :) 19:02:01 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-057-140.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 19:02:24 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 19:03:31 It'll be great if you can write an educational blog post as well. 19:04:49 samebchase: I've never really blogged but I'll think about it. 19:06:19 you have seen this, right: http://netzhansa.blogspot.in/2013/03/dealing-with-excel-files-from-common.html ? 19:07:07 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:08:09 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.134.48] has joined #lisp 19:10:18 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:14:58 cscorp [~csorp@c-98-230-174-67.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:22:08 spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 19:22:14 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:23:57 billstclair [~billstcla@p-69-195-51-108.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 19:23:58 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@p-69-195-51-108.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:23:58 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 19:26:19 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 19:26:23 wws [~billstcla@p-67-158-180-211.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 19:26:35 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: brb] 19:27:17 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 19:27:47 -!- keltvek [~keltvek@unaffiliated/keltvek] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 19:28:21 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 19:28:39 -!- wws [wws@clozure-5DE3DD4A.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Ping timeout] 19:29:53 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:31:54 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:32:38 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:33:04 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 19:34:09 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 19:34:44 -!- billstclair [wws@clozure-E286D31F.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Ping timeout] 19:36:09 -!- wws [~billstcla@p-67-158-180-211.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:42:01 arnsa_ [~arnsa@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 19:42:02 -!- arnsa_ [~arnsa@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Client Quit] 19:42:55 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:47:38 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 19:51:15 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:52:05 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:52:57 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.134.48] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:54:17 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 19:56:11 -!- [1]JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-210-215.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:56:58 JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-210-215.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 20:01:56 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has joined #lisp 20:03:47 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 20:03:50 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:04:00 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ejohnson] 20:04:18 ngz [~user@91.224.148.150] has joined #lisp 20:07:56 billstclair [~billstcla@p-69-195-59-75.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 20:07:56 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@p-69-195-59-75.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:07:56 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 20:09:57 chameco [~samuel@cpe-74-69-188-107.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:10:06 mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has joined #lisp 20:10:45 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-057-140.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:16:15 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:19:51 Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 20:22:57 -!- BitPuffin [~quassel@c80-216-147-180.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:24:20 -!- _d3f [~gnu@46.183.216.234] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 20:27:06 does SBCL use tagged pointers internally? is the implementation described anywhere? 20:27:13 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:29:41 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: normanrichards] 20:30:32 -!- hugod [~user@bas1-montreal08-1279346953.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:31:22 hugod [~user@bas1-montreal08-1279346953.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 20:35:07 ecraven: in the source code 20:35:38 hehe, ok, i'll go and look there :) 20:36:09 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:37:28 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:37:51 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:38:14 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:39:34 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-132-103.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:40:25 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 20:40:53 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-162-59.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:42:05 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@ipdsw03.informatik.fh-schmalkalden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:42:05 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:42:09 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 20:42:41 -!- Nisstyre-laptop is now known as nisstyre 20:45:39 I'm sorry but what does this bug mean? I have experienced it despite changing my cl implementation that slime uses from sbcl, ccl and abcl. https://gist.github.com/ubikation/6225501 20:46:37 it's normal. means some functions aren't defined by the per-implementation code. 20:49:33 -!- antonv_ [5d7d2a74@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.116] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:49:38 kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 20:54:24 Bike: but it seems to impact my slime history. Alt-P doesn't remember anything from previous sessions now. I think it's related but I don't know. 20:55:06 fe[nl]ix: i'm not sure i understand the problem in your blog post, could you elaborate? 20:55:25 ubikation: none of that looks related to history. 20:56:05 -!- knob [~knob@76.76.202.244] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:58:47 _veer [~veer@pool-96-254-154-127.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:58:51 BitPuffin [~quassel@c80-216-147-180.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 20:58:58 -!- _veer [~veer@pool-96-254-154-127.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:58:58 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 21:00:16 *|3b|* thought notinline was specified to prevent compiler macros 21:00:21 it is 21:00:28 and it does, i think, when i tested it 21:01:42 <|3b|> using compiler macros isn't ever required though, so no portable way to force them, aside from maybe expanding them by hand 21:02:20 yeah, i think i did (eval (funcall (compiler-macro-function ...))) or something similarly terrible 21:06:00 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-183-78.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:06:53 it does in sbcl, and i'm fairly sure ccl 21:07:13 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 21:09:41 -!- xaxisx [~xaxisx@24.137.208.218] has quit [Quit: xaxisx] 21:10:43 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:10:46 -!- sweet_kid [having@irc.upasna.in] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:11:01 -!- davazp [~user@31.200.168.64] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:12:04 sweet_kid [having@irc.upasna.in] has joined #lisp 21:12:16 -!- chameco [~samuel@cpe-74-69-188-107.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:12:56 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:14:58 -!- arnsa [~arnsa@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:16:17 normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-147-066-168.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 21:17:41 -!- ph88 [5597cc14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.151.204.20] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:17:50 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 21:18:53 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 21:19:35 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-136-99-18.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:20:00 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 21:20:08 -!- lufu [~user@5.254.129.28] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:20:53 -!- sweet_kid [having@irc.upasna.in] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:21:13 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 21:21:13 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 21:21:13 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 21:24:35 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:26:34 sweet_kid [having@irc.upasna.in] has joined #lisp 21:27:43 kennyd [~kennyd@78-1-179-222.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 21:34:13 arnsa [~arnsa@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 21:36:12 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 21:38:32 -!- add^_ [~user@m37-3-52-159.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:41:02 -!- scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-71-167.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:42:11 -!- paddymahoney [~patrick@24.137.221.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:42:54 hi 21:43:38 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@197.87.147.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:45:18 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@114-25-192-193.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:46:58 s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-244-204.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 21:49:04 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:51:45 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-147-066-168.mycingular.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:52:02 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:53:00 -!- ngz [~user@91.224.148.150] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:55:09 wow docbrowser is really cool... is there something like that running online? or is just a local inspector? 21:58:14 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 21:58:43 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:59:52 -!- Kruppe [~user@j2petkovich.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:02:32 -!- akbiggs [~akbiggs@64.215.160.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:03:37 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 22:05:16 ubikation: for what? Built-in functions or libraries? 22:05:24 -!- ubikation [~quassel@c-67-168-252-238.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:05:29 sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 22:07:13 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:00 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abnz109.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:12:09 -!- maxter__ [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:16:46 coreytrevor [~ma@78.129.153.58] has joined #lisp 22:17:12 -!- mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Parting is such sweet sorrow...] 22:18:00 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:19:07 -!- blackwol` [~blackwolf@ool-4574e84c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:19:41 -!- sweet_kid [having@irc.upasna.in] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:20:45 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:20:45 -!- cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:21:27 paddymahoney [~patrick@24-246-29-188.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 22:24:14 sweet_kid [having@irc.upasna.in] has joined #lisp 22:26:06 JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-76-180-168-166.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:29:40 jangle_ [~jimmy1984@dsl-164.7-238.gtb.net] has joined #lisp 22:30:51 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 22:32:28 cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has joined #lisp 22:32:33 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-169-148-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 22:34:52 nbits [~nbits@unaffiliated/nbits] has joined #lisp 22:35:03 -!- nbits [~nbits@unaffiliated/nbits] has left #lisp 22:36:50 -!- sweet_kid [having@irc.upasna.in] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:36:50 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:37:47 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:39:09 sweet_kid [having@irc.upasna.in] has joined #lisp 22:41:31 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:43:13 is there any good documentation for cl-irc at all? 22:43:19 BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-034-009.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:43:21 I'm trying to right an irc bot 22:43:41 Just use the source, I think there's a specbot.lisp which comes bundled 22:44:59 -!- BeLucid_ [~belucid@cpe-066-057-034-009.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:45:55 chameco [~samuel@cpe-74-69-188-107.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:46:17 I am, but one of the functions (start-background-message-handler *connection*) isn't working and reported as deprecated 22:46:46 Yeah, don't use it. 22:46:47 -!- sohail [~sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:47:51 I had issues with a bot I'd written (using the same template) until I removed that line. 22:48:17 Use read-message-loop on the connection instead 22:50:01 Is there a less CPU intensive loop? it blasts max on a core 22:50:07 akbiggs [~akbiggs@user131-161.wireless.utoronto.ca] has joined #lisp 22:51:32 Is that with (start-background-message-handler ...)? 22:51:35 Or without? 22:51:58 -!- Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@201.165.169.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:52:06 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:52:49 without, i don't have it doing anything either, just connects to the server 22:53:00 and then start the loop to receive essages 22:55:07 I don't really know what I'm doing here, so my help is also mainly random trouble-shooting I went through. 22:55:31 I had the high CPU temps when I was running the `start-background-message-handler' (and a bunch of unhandled errors), but removing that function call seems to have cleaned it up. 22:55:37 I couldn't get cl-irc to work for me for some reason. Trivial-irc worked fine though. 22:55:54 Although I tried that a month back and didn't want to mess around with it too much. 22:55:58 -!- kirin` [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-pyiswwlaxubraneo] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:56:15 So I can't say what your problem might be either, sorry. 22:57:22 resttime: This is my start-bot function, not sure if it helps you, but it might: http://pastebin.com/psRHwedL 22:57:56 kirin` [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-kjinozjonpcxzlxs] has joined #lisp 22:58:34 alright, i'll continue shuffling through source code too 22:58:35 thanks 23:01:16 -!- arnsa [~arnsa@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:01:25 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:03:07 arnsa [~arnsa@78-63-18-208.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 23:04:14 ubikation [~quassel@c-67-168-252-238.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:04:49 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 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