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05:05:29 -!- sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:05:46 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 05:07:59 -!- m104 [~m104@c-67-169-151-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: brb] 05:08:54 ltbarcly [477449c4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.116.73.196] has joined #lisp 05:10:39 I'm trying to understand compiler-macros, on an implementation like SBCL where everything is compiled all the time, is there any substantive difference between compiler macros and regular macros? 05:11:35 compiler macros are a primitive rewriting thing, the idea is you can do your own optimizations at compile time 05:11:57 the "substantive difference" is just that a compiler macro has a function too, i guess 05:15:53 Bike: so, is there anything you could do with a compiler macro that you couldn't do with a regular macro with the same performance and effect? 05:15:59 <|3b|> compiler macros are more of an optimization (implementations are allowed to ignore them, completely) 05:16:08 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 05:16:35 ltbarcly: no, you could pretty much do compiler macros with macros, though it would be a bit of a pain 05:16:44 <|3b|> the part about having a function is important too, since you can funcall a function with a compiler macro, but not something that is just a macro 05:17:02 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.141.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:17:30 Bike, |3b| : can you recommend any reference where I can learn more on this? 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I'm thinking of something like a python tuple 06:27:07 -!- aspect [~aspect@abstracted-spleen.org] has left #lisp 06:35:16 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:40:30 <|3b|> CL doesn't really do "immutable" (aside from things where mutating them is undefined behavior), but you can hide the mutable part in a closure 06:41:56 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 06:42:41 <|3b|> usually you would just provide an API that doesn't include any mutators, rather than trying to actually enforce it 06:43:32 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.141.30] has joined #lisp 06:43:37 nbouscal [~nbouscal@75.106.62.19] has joined #lisp 06:46:50 kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 06:47:09 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@cst-prg-29-244.cust.vodafone.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:49:03 -!- nbouscal [~nbouscal@75.106.62.19] has quit [Quit: Computer has commenced electric sheep tracking protocol.] 06:51:37 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has quit [Quit: normanrichards] 06:53:03 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:53:18 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:55:26 mrSpec [~Spec@77-254-205-142.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #lisp 06:55:26 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@77-254-205-142.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Changing host] 06:55:26 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 06:56:35 ok, asking this because I don't know how to google it: I have a lisp file, I want it to be a package. Also, in the file, I don't want to :use "COMMON-LISP", I want to specify exactly what things are imported. (DEFPACKAGE "xxx")(USE-PACKAGE "xxx") seems like it should do this, but things like DEFUN are still defined afterwards? 06:57:18 ltbarcly: http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/programming-in-the-large-packages-and-symbols.html 06:59:54 ahh, *PACKAGE*, thank you 07:01:40 sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@cst-prg-100-24.cust.vodafone.cz] has joined #lisp 07:02:52 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:03:26 ltbarcly_ [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 07:03:54 -!- jaaso` [~user@109.175.27.246] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:05:54 przl [~przlrkt@p5B298CD1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 07:07:55 nha_ [~prefect@koln-5d8142eb.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 07:08:03 -!- ltbarcly_ [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:14:52 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:17:26 -!- 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[~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 08:25:06 -!- fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Client Quit] 08:25:42 DalekBaldwin1 [~Adium@ip68-4-133-159.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 08:27:45 i'm having trouble using cl-interpol for regexs that contain a | alternation... everything i try results in 'unbalanced parentheses' 08:31:12 paste example 08:33:06 the simplest example is #?/|/ 08:33:11 Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-25-70.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 08:33:39 hmm... that even works for me at the repl... it just messes up emacs/slime/paredit 08:34:08 and my beloved C-c C-c 08:34:23 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@cst-prg-100-24.cust.vodafone.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:37:07 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@24.130.4.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:37:17 runciter [~mrw@c-50-156-39-26.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:42:45 -!- runciter [~mrw@c-50-156-39-26.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 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[~serge@109.134.141.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:27:49 yacks [~py@103.6.159.2] has joined #lisp 09:33:45 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-131-74.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:36:03 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:36:14 coreytrevor [~ma@78.129.153.58] has joined #lisp 09:37:32 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.2] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:40:36 -!- nug700 [~nug700@174-26-137-145.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 09:40:50 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:44:09 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-171-190.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:44:28 so, if I have a multimethod specialized on types A B, is there any way to specify that that method be called when the method is called with types B A? 09:44:28 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-171-190.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 09:46:32 oleo [574fc078@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.79.192.120] has joined #lisp 09:46:57 `26 [~kvirc@gateway/tor-sasl/26/x-07558203] has joined #lisp 09:48:09 yacks [~py@103.6.159.2] has joined #lisp 09:48:35 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 09:48:43 Why would you want to do that? 09:48:59 mathrick [~mathrick@94.144.63.86] has joined #lisp 09:49:33 oh, and swap the arguments I mean 09:49:36 I'm assuming no 09:49:52 Well you can just define the method as B A and call the other one with swapped args 09:49:56 but still, why would you want to? 09:50:07 well, for example, suppose I create a Decimal class 09:50:11 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 09:50:54 and I want it to be able to interact with regular fixnums 09:51:19 so I might have (decimal-add (make-decimal "500.00") 50) 09:51:35 so it should return something equal to (make-decimal "550.00") 09:51:43 but then if you swap the arguments, same result 09:52:30 Ah, fair enough. 09:52:46 although I'd still preserve the order and not allow any swapping 09:52:49 to make it clearer 09:52:59 since it is an operation on your decimal class, rather than an operation on a fixnum 09:53:28 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:53:30 yea, that is ideal, but I might be doing math on arguments to a function where both arguments might be fixnums, both might be decimals, whatever 09:53:51 if you look at Decimal in Python, it's viral, which is good and bad at times 09:54:07 ltbarcly: what do you need a decimal class for anyway? 09:54:16 fixed-precision math 09:54:16 ltbarcly: how do rationals not solve your need? 09:54:35 it wasn't an actual case, it was just an example that I could explain quickly 09:54:49 but rationals aren't fixed-precision, so no they don't solve it 09:55:12 suppose I was building an accounting application, that sort of thing 09:55:31 you can imagine a 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any ideas? 11:54:54 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.2] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:54:55 use a partition-a-undirected-graph algorithm 11:56:13 <`26> #math? 11:56:29 yacks [~py@103.6.159.2] has joined #lisp 11:57:48 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@94.144.63.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:00:09 -!- namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:15 sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 12:02:43 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:06:03 namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:06:16 paul0 [~paul0@187.112.90.95] has joined #lisp 12:08:06 ffilozov [~user@84.77.187.252] has joined #lisp 12:12:55 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-216-59-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:19:24 g1lad [~Administr@217.114.169.246] has joined #lisp 12:19:29 gaffy [~kaen@58-6-133-nwork.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 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petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-43-174.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 12:43:02 -!- pjb` is now known as pjb 12:50:33 ltbarcly: as long as types A and B are different, you can swap the arguments with a method on b a. 12:50:45 (defmethod m ((x b) (y a)) (m y x)) 12:51:54 dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has joined #lisp 12:55:32 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.2] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:00:16 ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has joined #lisp 13:14:25 -!- maxter [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:16:56 antgreen [~green@out-on-146.wireless.telus.com] has joined #lisp 13:27:58 mumble-p2p [~mumble-p2@cpc15-lewi15-2-0-cust898.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 13:28:02 i 13:28:07 -!- paddymahoney [~patrick@198-84-186-52.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:28:07 hi 13:29:14 Hi. 13:29:33 asl? 13:29:42 seriously? 13:30:09 mumble-p2p: This isn't AOL. 13:30:30 indeed 13:30:52 sorry about that, maybe was not very sensible indeed 13:32:51 what's up? 13:36:07 LiamH [~none@pool-74-96-2-44.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:36:32 mumble-p2p: Waiting for an interesting Lisp discussion to start. 13:37:24 For some reason sometimes my macro compilations don't actually reflect when I reload an ASDF and I have to go delete the cached fasls. Does anyone know how or why that could be? 13:37:51 what is a "macro compilation"? 13:38:02 When I change a macro and recompile it 13:38:14 Grr. If C really cared about correctness it wouldn't make me write 'unsigned long startTime = 0;', but it would make 'pinmOde' the same as 'pinMode'... 13:38:18 and then reload an ASDF that has code in it that depends on that macro 13:38:42 if I go and recompile the macro calls myself from SLIME it works fine 13:39:22 you don't need to compile the macro, it has to be in a file, you have to save it, and all the code which uses should depend on that file 13:39:32 I did that as well 13:39:45 I even closed emacs completely and reloaded everything 13:39:56 it still for some reason wouldn't execute correctly 13:40:02 then that means that you didn't do that 13:40:10 unless your asdf is really old 13:45:31 -!- ltbarcly [~jvanwink@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:46:58 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5B2B24AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:48:37 hugoduncan [~user@bas1-montreal08-1279346953.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 13:48:48 -!- Cheery [~cheery@boxbase.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:48:55 -!- fds [~fds@tickle.compsoc.man.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:48:55 Cheery [~cheery@boxbase.org] has joined #lisp 13:49:07 -!- spacefrogg^ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:49:15 namtsui` [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:49:56 -!- sturty67 [~sturty67@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:51:38 -!- hugod [~user@bas1-montreal08-1279346953.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:51:56 sturty67 [~sturty67@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:51:57 fds [~fds@tickle.compsoc.man.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 13:53:24 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@174.191-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 13:53:25 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@174.191-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Changing host] 13:53:25 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 13:53:32 Codynyx_ [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:54:39 spacefrogg^ [~spacefrog@141.76.92.5] has joined #lisp 13:55:34 -!- namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:55:35 -!- sbryant [freenode@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:55:35 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abov52.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:55:35 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:55:35 -!- sshirokov [sshirokov@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:55:35 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:55:35 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:55:36 -!- peccu2 [~peccu@KD106179020073.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:55:36 -!- matko [~matko@ip82-139-123-169.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:55:36 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@128-68-115-207.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:55:37 sshirokov [sshirokov@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has joined #lisp 13:55:37 sbryant [freenode@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has joined #lisp 13:55:50 -!- mikaelj [~tic@c83-248-1-208.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:55:58 mikaelj [~tic@c83-248-1-208.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 13:56:42 cdidd [~cdidd@128-68-115-207.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 13:56:46 peccu2 [~peccu@KD106179020073.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 13:58:08 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 13:58:09 -!- jxriddle [~jxriddle@adsl-074-244-048-245.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: jxriddle] 13:59:52 -!- CrazyEddy [~electrops@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:59:54 -!- antgreen [~green@out-on-146.wireless.telus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:01:57 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-146-28.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:10:17 ykm [~ykm@38.snat-111-91-51.hns.net.in] has joined #lisp 14:10:30 stassats: personnally, I prefer my compilers to be case sensitive. So there's no problem when I write programs containing both expertsExchanges and expertSexChanges. 14:10:47 i'm glad to hear that 14:10:50 But then, in lisp you'd use dashes. 14:11:20 or maybe not, i don't know what you're talking about 14:11:21 By the way, there's a paper this week about camel case vs. snail case. 14:11:55 -!- BitPuffin [~quassel@m5-243-113-28.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:12:32 experts-exchanges and expert-sex-changes vs. expertS-ex-Changes and expert-Sex-Changes 14:12:48 pjb: really? (I was the one bemoaning the case sensitivity of C) 14:13:38 My point is that case sensitivity is good. And that case insensitivity is bearable in lisp thanks to dashes. 14:14:00 As always, lisp wins by serendipity. 14:14:05 is the paper about which case is better or how they are used or something else 14:14:19 Yes. Apparently, snail_case is better. 14:14:20 Hydan [~hydan@ip-89-103-110-5.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 14:14:26 I've not read it in detail yet. 14:22:12 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 14:23:03 why 'snail' rather than 'snake', I wonder? 14:23:33 Because _@_v looks like a snail. 14:31:19 CrazyEddy [~paganism@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 14:35:50 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-171-190.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:36:16 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 14:37:49 snail case is really awkward to type imo 14:38:51 eric-atl [~eric-atl@c-76-122-117-137.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:38:52 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@94.144.63.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:40:45 -!- eric-atl [~eric-atl@c-76-122-117-137.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: eric-atl] 14:42:13 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:53:00 gravicappa 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compiling 21:07:12 -!- jagaj [~AdmiralBu@pool-71-99-141-240.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 21:07:12 it has to happen some time, and it's before compilation 21:07:37 you cannot compile things if you don't know what they are 21:08:07 <|3b|> would also make macros complicated, if they had to drag around a package with the text of all their identifiers 21:09:44 <|3b|> also, not everything that is READ is compiled, or possibly not compiled immediately, but still needs to interact withc ompiled code 21:10:07 -!- petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-43-174.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:10:16 <[6502]> stassats: I just find that sometimes when implementing a def-something kind of macro I end up in trouble because symbols have been resolved to the wrong package during read 21:10:47 <|3b|> why would compile do better? 21:10:48 bubo_ [~bubo@91.224.149.58] has joined #lisp 21:11:11 petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-43-174.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 21:11:15 there's no problem with macros, the symbols are interned into the current package, as they should be 21:11:16 -!- bubo_ [~bubo@91.224.149.58] has quit [Client Quit] 21:11:22 anything else is just asking for trouble 21:11:52 <|3b|> you'd probably end up with all the other symbols resolved incorrectly instead 21:12:31 *|3b|* thinks they should all be resolved at edit time anyway :p 21:12:49 |3b|: thanks..i don't know what a closure is...yet...so not sure why closure representations HAVE to vary 21:14:19 <|3b|> theseb: closure is a function that contains references to its environment, so every time you call it, the environment is different, so the value it returns has to have some way to refer to that specific environment 21:14:39 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-74-96-2-44.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:15:04 |3b|: ah 21:15:16 <|3b|> also, across implementations, return value of lambda might depend on whether the function is compiled or interpreted, or things like that 21:15:28 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thought my questions were general lispy questions no? 21:26:15 -!- chameco [~samuel@cpe-74-69-188-107.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:26:22 This is not a general lisp channel. Try #lisp-lab for that. Here it's only Common Lisp. 21:26:25 doomlord__ [~doomlod@host86-180-26-144.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 21:26:40 -!- doomlord__ [~doomlod@host86-180-26-144.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:26:46 [6502]: only when your macro interns new symbol should it be careful in what package. That is, it should document it. 21:27:34 <[6502]> pjb: the problem is exactly when the macro needs to build new symbols 21:27:40 [6502]: You can intern in the current package (probably what most macros do), or you could intern in the home package of a given symbol, but that's more risky, or you could intern in a package that's passed in argument, and you could do that either at macroexpansion or at run-time. 21:27:58 -!- lelzrawr [~coderarit@ip98-166-82-125.hr.hr.cox.net] has left #lisp 21:28:19 pjb: oh snap....sorry..i didn't know what....should it be called #commonlisp then? 21:28:25 pjb: just my $0.02 21:29:06 theseb: congratulations, you're the millionth person to suggest that! here's your prize 21:29:48 -!- kcj_ [~casey@122-60-59-140.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Quit: kcj_] 21:30:05 theseb: Common Lisp was designed to be a lisp to rule them all, so there's only one true lisp, and it's common lisp. 21:30:22 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 21:30:39 stassats: do you mean some punch thru the internets would have been necessary? ;-) 21:31:02 -!- Whitesquall [~notwhites@212.106.50.151] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:31:11 no, just a free ticket for a trip to #scheme 21:31:20 petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-43-174.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 21:31:23 first-class 21:31:37 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 21:32:33 What about Schroedinger's asker from hell? 21:32:46 chameco [~samuel@cpe-74-69-188-107.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:33:29 [6502]: typically, (in-package :p1) (defstruct p2:sname p3:fname) What should sname-fname be interned into? 21:33:42 [6502]: the only sensible answer is P1. 21:34:05 -!- theseb [~cs@74.194.237.26] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:34:31 <[6502]> pjb: P2 seems also a reasonable alternative 21:34:46 <[6502]> pjb: the problem is that P3 may be unintentional in this case 21:35:05 I've used (intern (format nil "~A-SUFFIX" symbol) (symbol-package symbol)) but this is bad: what if the symbol bound to symbol has no home package? (defstruct #:anonymous field1 field2)? Worse: what if the home package of the symbol is none of p1, p2 or p3, but p4? 21:35:08 <[6502]> pjb: the very fact that fname is interned somewhere is unintentional, because it's already a local name 21:35:33 [6502]: don't concentrate on p3:fname, it's irrelevant here. 21:35:52 There's no notion of local name in CL. 21:35:53 <[6502]> pjb: like (defun square (x) (* x x)) ... the fact that i'm interning X is unintentional 21:36:07 and irrelevant. 21:36:22 But what's relevant, is that X may have as home package a different package than the current one! 21:36:30 <[6502]> yes 21:36:43 it is very intentional, if you weren't interning the first X, you wouldn't be able to tell the compiler that the second and third instance is the same symbol 21:36:47 and hence the same variable 21:36:57 So it's better in macros not to use symbol-package to intern other symbols, therefore there remains only the choice between using *package* or an argument to the macro. 21:37:14 (defun square (#1=#:x) (* #1# #1#)) 21:37:24 look Ma, no intern! 21:37:52 fridim__ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317871.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 21:38:54 <[6502]> stassats: if the interning was done at compile time then that defun could have been able to avoid interning X in any package... the compiler could know that the X is the same in all three instances because it's an unqualified X 21:39:07 <[6502]> stassats: but it's just a rough confused idea... 21:39:44 ampersand27017 [~ampersand@76.91.115.14] has joined #lisp 21:40:05 -!- joooooo [~setmeaway@119.201.52.138] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:40:18 ltbarcly [~jvanwink@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:40:27 [6502]: for more about it have a look at Please read: http://www.nhplace.com/kent/PS/Ambitious.html 21:41:30 [6502]: finally, notice the different consequences of doing `( ,(intern "X" *package*) ) vs `( (intern "X" *package*) ) in a macro. 21:41:32 -!- macdice [~user@46-65-10-191.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: My ZX81 has gone to sleep] 21:42:50 runciter [~mrw@c-50-156-39-26.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:43:59 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-216-59-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:44:35 <[6502]> pjb: those two are completely different things... IMO rarely the macroexpanded code needs to create symbols (actually I rarely found the need to create a symbol at user-runtime at all) 21:45:10 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:45:45 -!- petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-43-174.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:47:11 Ok, so I guess that leaves ,(intern "X" *package*) or ,(intern "X") as I would argue that you'd be hard pressed to find a case where it's better to use another package, if not an internal, "well-known" package, ie: (intern "PRIVATE-SYMBOL" (load-time-value (find-package "PRIVATE-PACKAGE"))). 21:47:28 But for public symbols interned by a macro, *package* it is. 21:48:18 Otherwise, you must prominently document it. 21:50:13 <[6502]> pjb: the problem I see is that sometimes the symbol package is irrelevant... often this doesn't create problems (like in (defun square (x) (* x x)) ) but sometimes it does (like in defstruct) 21:50:51 <[6502]> pjb: probably defstruct should use strings for field names 21:51:15 what for? 21:51:25 petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-43-174.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 21:52:12 <[6502]> stassats: from a philosophical point of view, i mean 21:52:46 what kind of philosophy is that? 21:52:53 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:53:00 <[6502]> keywords! 21:53:16 what problem are you trying to solve? 21:54:00 or is it just another one of yours "let's make it better first, but understand it later"? 21:54:09 <[6502]> stassats: avoiding package-related mistakes when writing def-something type macros that need to synthesize symbols 21:54:44 what package-related mistakes are you talking about? 21:56:59 <[6502]> stassats: sometimes a symbol received from the user of a macro has an home package that is unintentional (e.g. a field of a struct that happens to have the same name of an imported function) 21:57:35 have you tried reading documentation on defstruct? 21:58:01 unless :conc-name is NIL, the accessor function names will be interned into the current package 21:59:22 <[6502]> stassats: the problem is writing the macros correctly... i'm not saying defstruct is broken 22:00:06 you have to go out of your way to write them incorrectly 22:00:26 you either use the symbol you were passed, or intern a newly minted symbol into the current package 22:00:30 there's no two ways about it 22:03:07 -!- runciter [~mrw@c-50-156-39-26.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:03:21 <[6502]> stassats: or intern a related symbol in the same package the passed symbol is coming from (but seems dangerous) 22:03:36 no, there's absolutely no sense in doing that 22:03:45 <[6502]> stassats: you're probably right 22:05:13 -!- nbouscal [~nbouscal@75.106.62.19] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:05:16 -!- CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:05:52 -!- petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-43-174.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:06:40 <[6502]> i need to sleep on it... nite guys and thanks 22:06:48 -!- [6502] [5e24e12a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.36.225.42] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:08:41 jxriddle [~jxriddle@74-132-175-208.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #lisp 22:09:32 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-131-74.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:10:36 does anyone know why http://paste.lisp.org/display/138320 is giving me an error like this: Error: Illegal argument to endp: # 22:10:36 [condition type: TYPE-ERROR] 22:10:37 ? 22:10:46 -!- ltbarcly [~jvanwink@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:11:03 a vector is an not a valid argument for ENDP 22:11:32 incidentally, it's used indirectly, through IN of LOOP 22:11:33 petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-43-174.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 22:11:45 ACROSS would be appropriate on this occasion 22:12:23 :( 22:12:50 and the whole things is bad anyway 22:12:52 haha 22:13:14 that part doesn't surprise me, I'm still writing MATLAB or something in lisp :P 22:13:17 unless you're doing exercise, it's called MISMATCH 22:13:21 clhs mismatch 22:13:22 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_mismat.htm 22:13:58 and vectors don't contain bytes, as you call it 22:14:11 it is for a specific exercise, yes. 22:14:14 it's elements 22:15:13 i would suggest you to use the ALWAYS keyword of LOOP 22:15:36 can't be more specific than that, it is an exercise after all 22:15:57 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:17:35 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:17:54 -!- ampersand27017 [~ampersand@76.91.115.14] has quit [Quit: ampersand27017] 22:18:28 -!- Nisstyre-laptop is now known as Nisstyre 22:20:21 -!- petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-43-174.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 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