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Although it's talking about C++ dependencies...which is odd 04:08:46 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:10:33 -!- zoek1 [~zoek1@189.128.240.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:10:36 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@110.150.5.157] has joined #lisp 04:11:59 I guess nobody is developing a truly portable pure lisp gui library, huh? 04:12:05 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:12:41 fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317871.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 04:13:26 Guest70526: Theres CLIM, but the popular Open Source version, McCLIM, still has non-pure backends to talk to various systems. I dont know if its still around or not. Years ago, I had to do a lot of work to fix the bit rot in the Cocoa backend (beagle). 04:14:14 It's still around...but does not seem to be actively developed. 04:15:47 The last release was April 2008 04:15:55 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:16:15 -!- pspace [~andrew@76.14.65.229] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:17:09 It didn't even reach Version 1.0...started at 0.9.1 and stopped at 0.9.6 04:17:52 Guest70526: Version numbers, even when done well, are pretty meaningless. 04:18:05 (Not that Im suggesting you dive into McCLIM) 04:19:16 -!- joe9 [~user@ip70-179-153-227.fv.ks.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:20:43 Yeah, I know...Version numbers can be meaningless...but if there hasn't been any updates about *anything* for 5 years, that leaves you scratching your head about what's going on 04:21:40 -!- entitativity [~entity@c-50-136-180-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by 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08:25:38 unparse 08:25:44 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-38-217.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:26:10 weird... that popped into my head about two seconds before you typed it 08:26:32 -!- __prefect [~prefect@koln-5d814396.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:27:46 what about parse-to-sexp and parse-to-custom-syntax? there is nothing like unparse... 08:32:19 read-language 08:32:33 jerryzhou [~gururui@119.52.35.218] has joined #lisp 08:32:45 or even print .. 08:33:16 setmeaway [stemearay@119.201.52.138] has joined #lisp 08:33:32 gururui_ [~gururui@119.52.35.218] has joined #lisp 08:33:48 -!- gururui_ [~gururui@119.52.35.218] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:33:55 -!- jerryzhou [~gururui@119.52.35.218] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:37:05 -!- pspace [~andrew@76.14.65.229] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:38:42 __prefect [~prefect@koln-5d814396.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 08:41:11 jerryzhou [~gururui@119.52.35.218] has joined #lisp 08:46:23 -!- quackv4 [~quack@vps-1058467-4367.manage.myhosting.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:46:28 capitaomorte [~joaot@a81-84-241-129.static.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 08:46:39 \part 08:46:46 -!- capitaomorte [~joaot@a81-84-241-129.static.cpe.netcabo.pt] has left #lisp 08:52:49 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:53:01 ehu [~Erik@089144206056.atnat0015.highway.bob.at] has joined #lisp 08:54:48 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 08:55:58 libertas [~libertas@a94-133-93-112.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 08:56:03 quackv4 [~quack@vps-1058467-4367.manage.myhosting.com] has joined #lisp 08:56:41 -!- __prefect [~prefect@koln-5d814396.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:56:43 -!- jerryzhou [~gururui@119.52.35.218] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:57:02 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 08:59:40 `26 [~kvirc@gateway/tor-sasl/26/x-07558203] has joined #lisp 09:02:30 <`26> Hi. I was wondering, what is the usual internal representation of cons cells and what optimizations are you aware of (e.g. to lower cache misses or lower memory usage)? 09:02:50 bon` [~user@kotona.demon.nl] has joined #lisp 09:02:58 -!- protist [~protist@58.173.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:04:01 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.136.172] has joined #lisp 09:10:38 `26: usually, some tag info, and pointers... as for optimizations, you get lower (or should) cache misses and whatnot after gc 09:11:39 `26: back in the day CDR encoding was popular as well... 09:11:52 antoszka: If you recall from yesterday, I had problems with SLIME's indentation.. 09:12:03 <`26> zorkmoid: so the gc usually arranges lists to be sequential in memory? 09:12:14 antoszka: However, I changed my macros to use &body now and am hitting a weird special case. http://paste.lisp.org/display/138279 09:12:29 `26: depends on the gc, but you could do that... why do you ask anyway? 09:12:40 <`26> zorkmoid: doesn't cons mutation create issues with cdr encoding? 09:13:36 `26: (the arranging lists by gc can be done using unrolling the list and what not fun stuff...) 09:13:42 <`26> zorkmoid: I'm implementing yet another Lisp (because clearly one thousand of them isn't enough). 09:14:08 codemagician [~anon@14.207.11.72] has joined #lisp 09:14:20 `26: and yes, cdr encoding makes mutability of objects a bit more tricky 09:15:04 optimizations of any kind will lead to complexity... 09:15:53 if it is a toy lisp, why do you care about optimizations? :-) 09:15:56 <`26> is cons mutation expected to be threadsafe or temporally ordered? 09:16:50 `26: expected according to what? 09:17:24 <`26> 1. the latest standard 2. de facto behaviour 3. the average Lisper 09:17:51 `26: hyperspec says nothing about threads, so ... 09:24:05 -!- tcr [~tcr@77-56-40-229.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #lisp 09:29:02 -!- elkng [~elkng@unaffiliated/elkng] has left #lisp 09:31:14 -!- nug700 [~nug700@174-26-137-145.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 09:31:35 -!- Fare [~fare@cpe-69-203-115-132.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:33:30 BitPuffin [~quassel@s193-13-104-175.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 09:34:43 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:36:47 -!- _cosmonaut_ [~eu5183@213.153.113.6] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:44:12 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 09:49:52 -!- CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:51:59 zoek1 [~zoek1@189.128.240.29] has joined #lisp 09:52:26 -!- cabaire [~nobody@gateway05.m3-connect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:54:34 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.93.16] has joined #lisp 09:56:23 -!- BitPuffin [~quassel@s193-13-104-175.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:57:10 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:21 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 10:01:00 BitPuffin [~quassel@s193-13-104-175.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 10:02:56 Gooder` [~user@218.69.12.194] has joined #lisp 10:06:40 -!- Gooder [~user@64.155.200.192.client.dyn.strong-in144.as13926.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:07:55 ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 10:08:20 Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #lisp 10:08:44 bitonic` [~user@ppp-243-184.27-151.libero.it] has joined #lisp 10:12:50 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@pool-71-116-73-196.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:13:24 -!- codemagician [~anon@14.207.11.72] has quit [Quit: codemagician] 10:16:43 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-237-24-51.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:17:16 -!- harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-aaxgrcmblxwylixn] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:17:23 yati [~yati@122.169.66.209] has joined #lisp 10:19:07 fenton1 [~fenton@ppp-124-121-117-144.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 10:19:31 Hi. I want to try working out the exercises from Andrew Ng's machine learning course in common lisp. Will arrays be a good replacement for matrices from say, Octave/Matlab or NumPy? If not, what is a good data structure(preferably in the standard library) I can use? 10:19:31 yati, memo from pjb: actually, renaming operators (defspel for defmacro), is one of the easiest way to introduce (functional) abstraction. For example, using first, rest, second, third, instead of car, cdr, cadr, caddr let the (human) reader of the program know that we're talking at the level of lists, not at the level of cons cells. 10:20:01 Ralt [Ralt@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:6c69] has joined #lisp 10:20:27 pjb, Thanks :) How do you leave a memo? 10:21:18 !memo 10:21:24 naw 10:22:15 minion: memo for yati: like this 10:22:15 Remembered. I'll tell yati when he/she/it next speaks. 10:23:16 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 10:23:21 tell me, minion 10:23:21 yati, memo from newcup: like this 10:23:25 :) 10:24:16 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 10:27:00 codemagician [~anon@14.207.11.72] has joined #lisp 10:27:41 grouzen [~user@195.238.93.36] has joined #lisp 10:29:13 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 10:30:26 Hmm, I want to output S-Expressions through HTTP, what Content-Type/MIME-Type would be appropriate? application/x-lisp or should I just go with text/plain ? 10:31:40 Shinmera: there is no mime type for s-expressions. you can use either. 10:31:54 text is fine 10:32:00 Yeah, I thought as much, but I wondered which one would be better to use. 10:32:49 at least that way browsers will display the contents of the reply instead of asking to save it 10:33:04 ah, right. I'll go with text/plain then. 10:33:29 apitaomortec [~joaot@mail3.siscog.pt] has joined #lisp 10:33:42 -!- codemagician [~anon@14.207.11.72] has quit [Quit: codemagician] 10:33:46 just make sure you get the encoding right 10:33:50 -!- dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 10:34:31 "getting the encoding right" means adding a charset attribute to the content type 10:34:56 which is something that is defined only for text content types, so using text/ is a good suggestion for the base content type 10:34:56 and making sure that the body is utf-8 not iso-* 10:36:19 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:36:19 bom dia apitaomortec :) 10:37:28 Hunchentoot should output the body in utf-8 by default, right? 10:39:04 no 10:39:22 hunchentoot outputs whatever you give it 10:39:40 Ah, so it makes no conversion, alright. 10:42:23 -!- keen______ [~blackened@pd2ae2ccf.wmaxuq00.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:42:31 Shinmera: No idea why that happens. 10:42:48 keen______ [~blackened@pd2ae2ccf.wmaxuq00.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 10:42:51 Darn 10:44:37 -!- zorkmoid [c2ed8e07@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.237.142.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:45:00 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-131-74.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:50:51 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:52:42 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 10:53:09 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 11:03:06 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85.130.70.65] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:04:10 mathmonkey [~user@static.166.91.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has joined #lisp 11:07:10 spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 11:08:34 keen_______ [~blackened@pd2ae3dc4.wmaxuq00.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 11:08:52 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:09:35 -!- keen______ [~blackened@pd2ae2ccf.wmaxuq00.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:10:40 coreytrevor [~ma@95.211.186.115] has joined #lisp 11:13:07 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-131-74.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:15:40 -!- namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:15:41 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 11:20:31 -!- bon` [~user@kotona.demon.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:20:53 zorkmoid [c2ed8e14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.237.142.20] has joined #lisp 11:21:00 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-91-232.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 11:21:29 harish_ [~harish@cm32.zeta224.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #lisp 11:24:40 -!- aftershave [~textual@h-123-168-44.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:25:24 jewel [~jewel@105-237-24-51.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:25:40 -!- grouzen [~user@195.238.93.36] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:25:57 grouzen [~user@195.238.93.36] has joined #lisp 11:26:52 -!- fenton1 [~fenton@ppp-124-121-117-144.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:26:56 hmm... not really lisp, but need it for something in a lisp docstring... how can you do a barline over a letter in some simple fashion? 11:27:30 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overline ? 11:28:08 Probably won't look nice, but worth a shot to use the unicode character. 11:28:34 Shinmera: sweet 11:30:59 -!- kirin` [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-pecdmgnokoevswns] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:33:24 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 11:35:00 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-mdjcnwiwienaxuej] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:35:33 arare [~Aramur@153.68.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 11:40:32 -!- apitaomortec [~joaot@mail3.siscog.pt] has quit [Quit: Server buffer killed] 11:40:45 -!- setmeaway [stemearay@119.201.52.138] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:40:50 setmeaway2 [setmeaway3@119.201.52.138] has joined #lisp 11:44:48 codemagician [~anon@14.207.11.72] has joined #lisp 11:45:42 peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has joined #lisp 11:45:59 aftershave [~textual@h-123-168-44.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 11:51:50 tolk [~user@host3.190-137-169.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 11:53:56 knob [~knob@76.76.202.244] has joined #lisp 11:57:26 -!- BitPuffin [~quassel@s193-13-104-175.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:09:50 segv- [~mb@95-91-241-73-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 12:10:08 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:14:05 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.65.5] has joined #lisp 12:14:05 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.65.5] has quit [Changing host] 12:14:05 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 12:18:31 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-117-135.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:22:22 dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has joined #lisp 12:22:28 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 12:23:09 -!- yati [~yati@122.169.66.209] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:31:46 `fogus [~fogus@freedom.d-a-s.com] has joined #lisp 12:33:42 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:34:12 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 12:35:43 -!- aftershave [~textual@h-123-168-44.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:42:14 tensorpuddin [~tensorpud@99.148.195.87] has joined #lisp 12:45:07 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.148.192.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:45:07 -!- tensorpuddin is now known as tensorpudding 12:47:55 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@2602:306:3b84:f610:7491:838c:bfe7:940] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:49:40 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 12:51:09 -!- ehu [~Erik@089144206056.atnat0015.highway.bob.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:00:31 -!- setmeaway2 [setmeaway3@119.201.52.138] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:00:37 joooooo [setmeaway3@119.201.52.138] has joined #lisp 13:01:43 mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 13:04:55 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:05:20 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 13:06:09 What does allegro do when a package uses itself? 13:07:20 I have question about javascript, but I know #javascript cannot answer it because they're mostly new programmers helping each other. 13:07:37 Post it to your blog 13:09:44 I could, it'll take some hours to do that. 13:09:45 protist [~protist@101.172.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has joined #lisp 13:09:58 Cheery: javascript questions are off topic in #lisp 13:11:32 H4ns: they are. I can still phrase out the question, it's about implementation of javascript. 13:11:45 Cheery: no. 13:12:30 *Xach* wonders what cliini's up to 13:13:30 They're doing about everything in javascript, but the implementation, such as node.js have been written in C++, or C. 13:14:36 Cheery: still off-topic ... 13:14:48 why javascript can't implement itself in javascript? 13:15:02 zorkmoid: it is. but I wonder, on which channel should I ask that? 13:15:17 how many people do you need to tell you that it is not appropriate for this channel? 13:16:11 Cheery #javascript sounds like a plausible place... discussing where to ask non-common lisp questions is also off-topic here. 13:16:13 <`26> Why not ask in #lispcafe? 13:16:52 fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:19:27 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.136.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:21:28 jangle [~jimmy1984@dsl-164.7-238.gtb.net] has joined #lisp 13:24:46 pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has joined #lisp 13:25:20 k0001 [~k0001@host30.190-224-57.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 13:28:30 -!- clop2 is now known as clop 13:28:45 aftershave [~textual@h-123-168-44.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 13:29:56 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:31:13 CrazyEddy [~rhyncholi@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 13:33:42 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:34:22 Harag [~Thunderbi@41-132-83-33.dsl.mweb.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:34:52 Straylight [~user@vpn.expressionanalysis.com] has joined #lisp 13:41:34 BitPuffin [~quassel@s193-13-104-175.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 13:41:56 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:42:36 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-194-40.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:44:03 ahungry_ [~null@66.184.106.97] has joined #lisp 13:49:20 Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-14-230.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:50:16 -!- CrazyEddy [~rhyncholi@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:51:58 MoALTz__ [~no@86.142.161.139] has joined #lisp 13:52:42 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-24-173-33-110.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:54:42 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@host86-142-161-139.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:55:48 Fare [~fare@cpe-69-203-115-132.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:55:56 akbiggs [~akbiggs@64.215.160.65] has joined #lisp 13:57:27 -!- macrobat [~beep@h-199-47.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 13:57:32 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01:15 -!- myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:04:05 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:05:24 shermpay [~user@bb42-60-218-86.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 14:08:11 jagaj [~AdmiralBu@pool-71-99-141-240.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:09:11 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 14:09:17 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 14:10:07 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.136.172] has joined #lisp 14:10:21 madnificent [~madnifice@static.146.73.9.176.clients.your-server.de] has joined #lisp 14:14:20 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:20:10 nbouscal [~nbouscal@c-67-168-113-48.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:20:45 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:21:15 -!- maxter [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:21:41 CrazyEddy [~acerbic@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 14:21:58 Xach, acl 8.1 adds the package to package-use-list, a following delete-package signals package-error ("Attempt to delete-package # but the #1# package still uses it."). Otherwise, nothing. 14:23:01 ck``: package-used-by-list too? 14:23:07 well, it must. 14:23:24 ck``: Thanks! I'm a little sad. I bet if it did otherwise Duane Rettig could provide some excellent exposition. 14:24:27 yes, package-used-by-list as well. 14:25:39 sohail [~Adium@69-165-138-8.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 14:25:39 -!- sohail [~Adium@69-165-138-8.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Changing host] 14:25:39 sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 14:28:04 -!- harish_ [~harish@cm32.zeta224.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:31:24 Karl_dscc [~localhost@ipdsw03.informatik.fh-schmalkalden.de] has joined #lisp 14:33:10 maxter [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has joined #lisp 14:35:49 -!- Bike [~Glossina@174-25-57-167.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:37:03 -!- MoALTz__ [~no@86.142.161.139] has quit [Quit: brb] 14:37:23 MoALTz [~no@host86-142-161-139.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 14:37:42 -!- nbouscal [~nbouscal@c-67-168-113-48.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has commenced electric sheep tracking protocol.] 14:37:49 Bike [~Glossina@174-25-57-167.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 14:41:12 harish_ [~harish@cm32.zeta224.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #lisp 14:45:00 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host30.190-224-57.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:48:25 -!- sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:48:28 -!- BitPuffin [~quassel@s193-13-104-175.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:52:04 -!- aftershave [~textual@h-123-168-44.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:53:42 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:53:45 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:56:52 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-237-24-51.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:00:29 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-161-155.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:35 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-131-74.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:01:12 kaid [~kaid@222.129.238.81] has joined #lisp 15:01:38 -!- kaid [~kaid@222.129.238.81] has left #lisp 15:02:02 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-131-74.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:02:44 pjb: i think the existing zpackage has some bugs 15:03:13 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-24-173-33-110.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: normanrichards] 15:03:40 -!- jstypo [~jstypo@190.75.126.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:04:00 nyef [~nyef@c-50-157-244-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:04:12 G'morning all. 15:04:12 nyef, memo from pkhuong: Well, I'm off to Boston. Let's exchange email for a lunch/dinner tomorrow or wednesday (hopefully I can find free wifi somewhere ;). 15:04:31 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 15:04:37 so much for instant minion messages 15:04:37 good morning 15:04:42 what what! 15:05:04 Well, I've been mostly offline for the past few days, so that was fairly quick under the circumstances. 15:05:20 Mail to common-lisp.net is bouncing again. Ironically, admin@common-lisp.net is one of the addresses that bounces... Anyone on-line able to fix or pass on the message? 15:06:23 hi nyef 15:06:58 -!- arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-twbyvbllbinrdyjq] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:07:11 aftershave [~textual@h-123-168-44.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 15:07:40 -!- codemagician [~anon@14.207.11.72] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:11:11 -!- petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-43-174.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:13:19 petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-43-174.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 15:15:41 tolk` [~user@host219.190-31-36.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 15:16:03 jstypo [~jstypo@190.75.126.8] has joined #lisp 15:17:00 sohail [~Adium@69-165-138-8.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 15:17:01 -!- sohail [~Adium@69-165-138-8.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Changing host] 15:17:01 sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 15:18:16 -!- tolk [~user@host3.190-137-169.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:20:29 -!- shermpay 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I'm trying https://gist.github.com/PuercoPop/ed8398dd7f5b50a34d2c 18:54:29 yeah, that's it, (:method :around (...args...) ...body...) 18:54:30 that question is strangely formulated 18:55:16 *how do I define a generic function for which the method qualifier is around? 18:55:34 PuercoPop: I would have understood "How do I define a method in a defgeneric form for which ..." 18:55:34 no, "how do i define the around method for a generic function" 18:56:12 (or "an around method" as you may have many) 18:56:31 method qualifiers doesn't depend on generic functions 18:56:38 it's about methods 18:56:53 so, the generic function definition is the same whatever the qualifier 18:57:46 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.200.11.156] has joined #lisp 18:58:36 So I just define the generic function and just use :around as a method qualifier? there aren't two generifc functions created automatically if I don't explicitly use defgeneric? 18:58:51 you sound pretty confued. 18:58:52 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@ipdsw03.informatik.fh-schmalkalden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:59:29 I am. 18:59:45 generic functions have methods attached to them. methods are the ones with qualifiers, such as :around 19:00:22 ah ok, so there is always one generic function. Thanks 19:02:33 generic functions are the functions and methods implement (part or all of) the semantics of that functions for some set of arguments 19:02:53 they're like fragments or parts of a whole bundle 19:03:54 From my incipient mental model the generic function is the entry point from which one computes the effective method, right? 19:04:25 there's often more than one method to be called by a single generic-function call 19:05:30 -!- paul0 [~paul0@187.112.250.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:05:33 paul0_ [~paul0@189.115.56.144] has joined #lisp 19:05:36 that, but they are group in the effetive method right? 19:06:19 by default using (progn (progn primary-method) )> 19:06:25 hugod [~user@bas1-montreal08-1279346953.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 19:07:37 ehhhh, it's complicated. but the point here is that the generic function has a set of different methods, each of which may or may not be invoked in whatever order when the gf is called. and :around is a property of a method, not a gf. 19:07:46 -!- ahungry_ [~null@66.184.106.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:08:04 -!- ejbs [~user@h-30-80.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:09:10 I have a weird question now. Say I have a method (insert in this case) that calls itself. Then the first time it is call the around method gets called and defines a let block around the primary method when the primary method calls itself again there is another around method call inside of that let statement right? 19:09:25 the method calls the generic function, probably 19:09:48 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:09:49 pspace [~andrew@76.14.65.229] has joined #lisp 19:10:04 Yeah, you cleared that up. It was precisely what I was confused about. 19:14:19 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:16:39 _d3f [~gnu@46.183.216.234] has joined #lisp 19:17:03 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:17:57 I forget (if I ever knew) - is there a way to call a method object? 19:18:20 clhs call-method 19:18:20 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_call_m.htm 19:18:23 there's method-function, but i've never really tried it 19:22:07 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:22:55 -!- ffilozov [~user@84.77.187.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:25:20 ahungry_ [~null@66.184.106.97] has joined #lisp 19:25:43 elkng [~elkng@unaffiliated/elkng] has joined #lisp 19:27:06 przl [~przlrkt@p4FE64A2E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:27:57 someone told me: "lisp is not used a lot, a lot of people have moved from logic to probability, which makes LISP less useful,there are people working on probabilistic programming, which you can think of as lisp is to logic what probabilistic programming is to probability, but that's still fairly new and isn't very popular yet", is that true ? 19:28:17 nah. 19:28:33 that doesn't make much sense at all 19:28:57 -!- Fare [~fare@cpe-69-203-115-132.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:29:14 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30:06 first of all, lisp is not a logical programming language, second, most people are doing imperative programming, not logical and not probabilistic 19:32:33 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 19:32:48 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p4FE64A2E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:34:24 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:36:08 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 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(b . nil))) 22:04:41 so '(1 . 2) doesn't evaluate the same as (cons 1 2)? 22:04:53 ok. 22:05:16 simon: not exactly. it depends on how you want to treat them. 22:05:25 _veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:05:26 -!- _veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:05:26 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 22:05:29 '(1 . 2) evaluates to an object that you shouldn't mutate, for example. 22:05:43 and it's not EQL to the result of (cons 1 2) but it is EQUAL. 22:05:57 aha. 22:06:06 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:06:30 sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:06:38 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:07:19 -!- smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:07:20 -!- yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:13 ubikation [~quassel@c-67-168-252-238.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:10:30 -!- bitonic`` [~user@ppp-243-184.27-151.libero.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:56 bitonic`` [~user@ppp-243-184.27-151.libero.it] has joined #lisp 22:19:41 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 22:20:07 -!- Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:07 hello! could someone help point me to some example code for abcl with interop with the java/jar world? ideally I'm looking for a very explicit repository/walkthrough for abcl but I don't think there is one. 22:20:12 -!- fitzsim [~user@nat/cisco/x-nqiwhwcjhtvyaazt] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:24:27 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:32 macrobat [~beep@h-199-47.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 22:25:02 -!- bitonic`` [~user@ppp-243-184.27-151.libero.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:25:20 -!- mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Parting is such sweet sorrow...] 22:28:51 -!- sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:29:22 -!- anklesnap [~anklesnap@2602:304:ab2d:2599:ad28:16d6:b9e6:3065] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:31:14 alkymist [~user@static-72-87-239-154.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:31:28 -!- ampersand27017 [~ampersand@ip-64-134-235-181.public.wayport.net] has quit [Quit: ampersand27017] 22:31:34 -!- alkymist [~user@static-72-87-239-154.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 22:32:36 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 22:33:26 ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.141] has joined #lisp 22:35:38 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-241-73-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:37:31 giovannyjes [~canaima@186.93.110.246] has joined #lisp 22:38:53 -!- giovannyjes [~canaima@186.93.110.246] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39:44 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.87.46] has joined #lisp 22:40:43 Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 22:41:50 -!- __prefect [~prefect@koln-5d814396.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:45:49 -!- BountyX [~andrew@76.14.65.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:48:09 fridim__ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317871.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 22:48:47 -!- doomlord [~doomlod@host86-180-26-144.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:50:55 -!- namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:51:05 namtsui` [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:55:06 BountyX [~andrew@76.14.65.229] has joined #lisp 22:56:20 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 22:57:09 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:59:03 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.87.46] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:47 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:00:58 drmeister [~drmeister@c-68-82-220-150.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:04:21 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-222-53-89.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:06:12 Bike_ [~Glossina@71-222-53-89.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:07:42 -!- Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@201.165.169.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:07:49 -!- ltbarcly [~textual@216.113.168.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:09:31 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@c-68-82-220-150.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:10:47 spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 23:11:54 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:13:30 hello? does anyone here played around with abcl? 23:13:33 has* 23:14:09 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 23:19:00 Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@187.208.142.114] has joined #lisp 23:19:11 yes 23:20:03 reb`: were you interacting with java code? is it on github? 23:21:43 Generally no, I was not trying to interface with existing Java code. Somewhere, however, I've got some ABCL code that calls Java methods. 23:24:29 the abcl manual is full of examples 23:25:36 -!- Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@187.208.142.114] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:27:25 stassats: yes but none of them are repositories... I'm running into issues with trying to use a jar file and dynamic dispatch. The one example in the manual related to this is assuming I'm competent at getting everything else setup. 23:31:17 KDr2 [~KDr2@123.122.120.228] has joined #lisp 23:32:20 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:33:47 err I think I found an example on github called abcl-cdk. thanks anyway! 23:34:52 -!- petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-43-174.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Quit: petrounias] 23:38:04 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 23:40:07 Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@201.165.169.73] has joined #lisp 23:44:33 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:44:40 Ryan_Burnside [~ryan@63-153-65-134.hlna.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:45:31 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:45:45 Hello! Quick question. I'm asking a user for a string, then attempting to use it as a key in an associative list. How do I convert the read-line result to a key for the assoc? 23:46:21 yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:46:35 -!- yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:46:35 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 23:46:37 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ejohnson] 23:47:26 Ryan_Burnside: You mean turn the string into a keyword? 23:48:11 chameco [~samuel@c-50-163-34-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:49:41 Shinmera: I'll get some code pasted in a few secs. :) 23:49:55 Ryan_Burnside: (values (intern (string-upcase yourstring) "KEYWORD")) 23:50:05 Ryan_Burnside: Creates a keyword from a string 23:50:52 -!- joooooo [setmeaway3@119.201.52.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:50:58 -!- BountyX [~andrew@76.14.65.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:51:13 BountyX [~andrew@76.14.65.229] has joined #lisp 23:51:27 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:51:31 kirin` [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-nhlmzxondihddadz] has joined #lisp 23:52:02 Shinmera: http://paste.ofcode.org/P8LtAB6y3R7e6FbC2qg8bF I'm asking the user for the keyword and then I have a function that attempts to return the mapped value. 23:52:03 find-symbol would probably be better 23:52:39 yeah, (find-symbol (string-upcase your-string) your-package) 23:52:44 Ryan_Burnside: in that case use find-symbol as bike said 23:52:45 Thank you. 23:53:31 This is actually for a little conversion program, cm is the unit it converts all measures into. Then it can freely convert between units. 23:53:48 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Snooze time for me, good night y'all.] 23:54:46 davazp [~user@204.Red-79-153-96.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 23:58:05 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: normanrichards] 23:59:54 -!- Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@201.165.169.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]