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How do package namespaces work? 00:28:24 I see (in-package :cl-user) (defpackage ...) a lot, can I just be (in-package :foo) (defpackage :bar) so that foo code can do (bar:baz 72)? 00:29:21 dotemacs1 [uid801@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ibolbhjjptjptfqp] has joined #lisp 00:29:56 foo code can do that regardless of where the defpackage is 00:31:32 Hrmm. So I end up with long package names because they seem to be global namespaced. 00:32:02 they are, yeah. 00:32:05 -!- arrsim` [~user@mail.fitness2live.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32:11 there are extensions to allow local namespacing. 00:32:53 Aramur [~Aramur@102.Red-79-154-74.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 00:32:55 -!- Aramur_ [~Aramur@102.Red-79-154-74.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:33:06 They don't have to be long, but they do have to be unique among the packages you intend to load. 00:33:36 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl18-114-239.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:35:07 there are other ways to mitigate conflicting package names 00:36:09 tolk [~user@host132.190-138-224.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 00:36:36 Hrmm. 00:38:33 Aramur_ [~Aramur@102.Red-79-154-74.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 00:39:27 I could just prefix them and put them in the same package, but I want to use a 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negative bytes 12:06:25 yay 12:07:20 i measure savings currently bytes, because performance difference is usually hard to measure 12:07:27 heh 12:07:30 those newfangled CPUs are fairly good 12:07:37 brother, can you spare a bytedime? 12:08:03 still, if the new instructions don't cause some interesting conga in pipelines, it's still a nice thing to have 12:08:05 stassats: What are you writing? 12:08:22 SmoMo: not writing, optimizing parts of SBCL 12:08:49 stassats: Oh cool, what is that written in then> 12:09:08 in CL 12:11:43 fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317871.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 12:14:14 loke [~user@bb121-7-211-212.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 12:14:22 Viaken2 [~dpflug@184.90.154.164] has joined #lisp 12:16:28 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:16:34 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.188.172] has joined #lisp 12:16:34 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.188.172] has quit [Changing host] 12:16:34 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12:22:25 rszeno: A character is not the same as a byte 12:22:38 agumonkey [~agu@179.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 12:22:59 CLISP has a "keyboard" interface that makes it fairly easy, I don't think any other implementation makes it as easy. When I wanted to do it, I wrote some FFI to put the terminal in raw mode. 12:23:03 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:23:14 usualy it is, if you use ascii 12:23:21 Xach: Isn't there a library in QL that does exactly that 12:23:22 ? 12:23:25 fenton [~fenton@ppp-115-87-57-61.revip4.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 12:23:29 loke: I don't know. 12:23:31 Xach: that basically means I wont do it 12:23:32 you can use iolib-termios 12:23:36 on unix systems. 12:23:36 rszeno: Very few systems use ASCII these days (thankfully) 12:24:09 or also with cffi, you can use ncurse. 12:24:12 +S 12:24:22 pjb: thanks :) 12:25:25 libedit might have something, or an example to use when writing your own 12:25:42 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-131-74.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:26:26 SmoMo: now of course, since we also work a lot with slime/swank, some work would be needed to allow for character-by-character input thru slime/swank. It is theorically possible to do it. 12:26:35 cl-ncurses can do it 12:26:41 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 12:26:52 thu slime? 12:26:54 +r 12:26:57 pjb: no 12:27:01 Not AFAIK 12:27:50 pjb: I think you meant that for someone else :) 12:28:29 Yes, that was for xificurC. 12:28:42 pjb: yeah thanks 12:28:54 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:29:00 i am just hacking around, so i'll stick to a normal read-line 12:29:41 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 12:31:11 szia attila_lendvai :) 12:31:12 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:31:17 :( 12:31:31 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 12:31:31 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 12:32:34 attila_lendvai: ping 12:34:17 theos 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[mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-ixutwfugyovfabrn] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:08:10 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-131-74.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:08:22 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5B2B1A10.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 15:10:05 fe[nl]ix: yes? 15:10:25 -!- bitonic [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:13:22 pinupgeek [~pinupgeek@unaffiliated/pinupgeek] has joined #lisp 15:13:30 is there a common lisp equivalent to emac's elisp for the (insert "\u03bb") for inserting a lambda at current cursor position? 15:14:12 I am hoping to add a call like that to my stumpwm config and was wondering if it's doable directly with the CL there 15:14:33 ahungry_: (code-char #x3bb) might return a lowercase lambda for you 15:14:55 thanks Xach 15:14:59 ahungry: sounds like you just want stumpwm to generate a keyboard event 15:15:03 Or, in some CL's you can even do: 15:15:25 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5B2B1A10.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:15:30 dlowe: More or less, but non-ascii text 15:15:32 #\GREEK_SMALL_LETTER_LAMBDA 15:15:49 Works in SBCL and ABCL at least 15:15:54 I know it is doable with xcompose or xbindkeys, but i was hoping to drop a small line in my stumpwm to do it 15:16:10 so I can press Alt + L and have the text insert at current cursor 15:16:16 stump has a function like send-keys 15:16:21 loke: it's LAMDA 15:16:24 I forgot the name, but its in the docs 15:16:37 but I don't think it can send unicode 15:16:39 stassats: Both work :-) 15:16:48 nope 15:17:43 stassats: Yes. Look agaain. It has an alias name "lambda" 15:18:05 it does not 15:19:54 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-115-87-57-61.revip4.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:20:04 stassats: then explain this line from UnicodeData.txt: 15:20:05 03BB;GREEK SMALL LETTER LAMDA;Ll;0;L;;;;;N;GREEK SMALL LETTER LAMBDA;;039B;;039B 15:20:16 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:20:47 i don't have to explain anything, since #\GREEK_SMALL_LETTER_LAMBDA does not work neither in SBCL, nor ABCL 15:20:54 ahungry: its send-fake-key, but it accepts "key" structure, which is basically keysym + shift/control flags 15:21:23 ahungry: so you can send any key that you can produce with keyboard, but to send arbitrary character, you need to send key sequence simulating a paste i would guess 15:22:28 stassats: That's easily fixed 15:22:30 Time to edit your keymap, maybe? 15:22:52 loke: that's not the point, your claim that it works was incorrect 15:22:54 -!- adnap [~adnap@cpe-70-112-164-154.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:23:03 I've installed previously SBCL version 1.1.9 from binary, and later installed SBCL -same version (but under a different path)- from sources using the previously installed SBCL(from binary). Now I'm wondering how can I do to "uninstall" the SBCL version I installed earlier. I'd like any useful advice. Thanks. 15:23:12 adnap [~adnap@cpe-70-112-164-154.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:23:25 stassats: All right, I see what you mean. I pasted that from Emacs, which does honour aliases 15:24:06 -!- hwiersma [~hwiersma@205.250.3.221] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:24:32 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:24:48 stassats: That actually probably explains why I've had SBCL barf on some character names in the past. I attributed that to broken code tables in SBCL. 15:24:58 I guess i'll just use xcompose 15:25:26 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.64.70] has joined #lisp 15:25:26 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.64.70] has quit [Changing host] 15:25:26 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 15:26:48 JasonFelice [~jfelice@ip-64-134-161-126.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 15:27:30 -!- JasonFelice [~jfelice@ip-64-134-161-126.public.wayport.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:28:01 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:28:36 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 15:28:37 -!- adnap [~adnap@cpe-70-112-164-154.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:28:51 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:30:03 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-zcedjqndxqfyodaw] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:31:25 It seems if your program looks like (eval (read-from-string (format "(~A ~A)" foo bar))), what you really want is a macro. 15:31:50 -!- ndrei [~avo@mtl93-2-82-66-118-59.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:32:32 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-177-161.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:32:52 maxm: thanks to jd__, one of your 5am feature requests is done 15:33:11 as for the other one, I still need to think about it 15:33:17 adnap [~adnap@cpe-70-112-164-154.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:33:33 fe[nl]ix: ah thanks, its printing of test names right? 15:33:43 yes 15:33:44 try it 15:34:20 fe[nl]ix: I'm sure it works, in the middle of big refactoring of my code that uses 5am right now 15:34:51 nilsi [~nilsi@124.79.136.212] has joined #lisp 15:34:56 good :) 15:35:13 I'm curious, what's the other request? 15:35:38 issue #9 15:38:14 -!- kaiblocks [~kai@74-140-150-55.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:38:37 nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-116-0.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 15:39:39 -!- danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:41:09 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:42:42 agr [~agr@200-170-124-141.corp.ajato.com.br] has joined #lisp 15:44:10 -!- arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:44:37 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p4FE6432B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:44:52 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-226-213.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:49:36 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 15:51:19 jd__: for me showstopper is tests-as-functions 15:52:11 maxm: why? 15:53:23 jd__: its stephilism, but incredibly useful one, and I use it in log4cl test suite a lot (tests calling other tests). If 5am had it, I can convert my test suite to 5am in a day, without it, don't even know how to start (since I got like 800 tests by now, most of them calling each other) 15:53:48 jd__: also its possible to implement it, I provided an example pull request implementing this functionality, have you taken a look at it? 15:54:43 maxm: yep saw it, but I don't know 5am enough to vote on this 15:55:55 well it passes 5am self-test suite, so if it breaks something, then its self-test suite isn't sufficient :-) 15:56:37 but anyway, sorry guys I can't engage much these days, I have my hands full right now with my own stuff 15:57:51 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:58:31 -!- Shozan is now known as SHODAN 16:01:10 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:01:52 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Rated M for MANLY] 16:02:03 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 16:02:10 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:02:25 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.180.70.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:02:49 maxm: I agree with the argument that it should work, or the test suite should be fixed ;) 16:03:06 -!- ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:03:24 fe[nl]ix: sent a pull request on the backtrace issue, that can be used as a starting point I at best 16:03:35 -!- pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 16:03:37 danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:03:42 ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has joined #lisp 16:07:50 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:08:12 -!- pinupgeek [~pinupgeek@unaffiliated/pinupgeek] has quit [Quit: pinupgeek] 16:09:00 ndrei [~avo@mtl93-2-82-66-118-59.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 16:10:08 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 16:10:18 -!- thehandler [~this@41.89.164.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:14:31 nbouscal [~nbouscal@67.168.113.48] has joined #lisp 16:15:30 -!- ndrei [~avo@mtl93-2-82-66-118-59.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16:14 -!- _cosmonaut_ [~user@nat-gw1.edb.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:18:17 ndrei [~avo@mtl93-2-82-66-118-59.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 16:20:23 I'm looking at some code that uses EVAL-W 16:20:29 *patrickwonders* oops 16:20:45 EVAL-WHEN, FBOUNDP, and DEFGENERIC together and it's behaving weird on some compilers. 16:21:33 http://paste.lisp.org/+2YN9 16:21:42 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:21:55 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 16:22:19 Particularly, ECL doesn't have any methods attached to the generic function #'FOO and so cannot assign the DEFCONSTANT 16:24:24 Is this a verboten construct or is the compiler not doing things quite right here? 16:25:07 k0001 [~k0001@host135.186-125-145.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 16:25:10 <|3b|> newly created lists aren't particularly 'constant' even if it did work 16:25:48 *|3b|* isn't sure if body of UNLESS is considered 'top-level', if not that might explain the problem 16:27:31 |3b|: eval-when would make that irrelevant 16:27:55 <|3b|> hmm, i suppose so 16:28:41 and fboundp is not needed 16:29:43 -!- ndrei [~avo@mtl93-2-82-66-118-59.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:30:15 Annotated the paste to get rid of the DEFCONSTANT the real thing is that if I (COMPILE-FILE ) and (DESCRIBE #'FOO) then ECL says: "METHODS: NIL" but without the "UNLESS" then it says "METHODS: ((#)>)" 16:31:50 SmoMo [~smomo@92.40.254.103.threembb.co.uk] has joined #lisp 16:31:53 I'm not sure why the original code did the FBOUNDP thing. I was assuming it was trying to get around a bunch of macro-expansion that's going on near the defgeneric on subsequent passes. I think, in this case, it could safely do without the FBOUNDP. 16:31:55 sdemarre [~serge@91.180.70.6] has joined #lisp 16:33:22 redderhs [~redderhs@unaffiliated/redderhs] has joined #lisp 16:35:32 not top level, you need to use macrolet 16:36:31 |3b|: actually, unless may prevent compile-time-too from happening 16:37:01 but since fboundp is not needed, no need to worry about that 16:37:49 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@78.134.105.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:38:38 -!- SmoMo [~smomo@92.40.254.103.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38:39 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-196-60-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 16:38:41 Hi, the link in this message is in regards to an Open Source Computing to further the developments of hardware for the mobile industry. It's time for Linux to be the #1 Consumer Operating System, Ubuntu Edge movement! http://pastebin.com/j57Dc29E We can all make a difference for as little as One Dollar! Thank You for your time. 16:38:44 -!- redderhs [~redderhs@unaffiliated/redderhs] has left #lisp 16:39:08 great, now they resort to spam 16:39:24 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:40:00 Is it possible for Ubuntu to become even more obnoxious? 16:40:24 Shinmera: if they fuse with Fedora with Lennart as emperor? 16:41:22 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-76-115-114-77.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:41:22 Well, let's not take it to the extremes here 16:41:51 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-76-115-114-77.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:42:17 or it may be a bug in ECL 16:43:07 don't you need a second eval-when inside the unless if you want that? 16:43:25 not really 16:46:33 it is actually never executed 16:47:20 i assume ecl's compiler walks the file, sees defgeneric, defines it (so that further calls to it succeed), and when it happens to actually execute it, (fboundp 'foo) is always true 16:47:42 because defgeneric does not expand to eval-when, that means it uses some kind of code-walking 16:48:26 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host135.186-125-145.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:50:27 or, even simpler, the body of DEFGENERIC macro defines the GF 16:50:51 instead of expanding to code which defines it 16:53:08 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 16:53:45 and indeed, DEFGENERIC expands into DEFMETHOD, and DEFMETHOD defines the gf at macro-expansion time, causing (fboundp 'x) to be true when it's executed 16:54:20 "the very pants I was wearing" 16:55:22 err returning I meant 16:57:02 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-132-106.u.parknet.dk] has joined #lisp 16:59:43 haha 16:59:54 *Krystof* gets bitten by the difference between ~/src/lisp/quicklisp and ~/src/lisp/quicklisp/ 17:05:06 pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 17:05:12 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@124.79.136.212] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:06:56 _tca [~user@h151.25.91.207.static.ip.windstream.net] has joined #lisp 17:07:49 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.180.70.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:10:44 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 17:13:32 -!- agr [~agr@200-170-124-141.corp.ajato.com.br] has quit [Quit: agr] 17:14:05 -!- nbouscal [~nbouscal@67.168.113.48] has quit [Quit: Computer has commenced electric sheep tracking protocol.] 17:17:15 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:19:17 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 17:19:42 -!- aftershave [~textual@h-123-168-44.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 17:23:33 statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-020-212.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:24:19 -!- ramus [~ramus@c-50-132-91-53.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:25:42 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:28:26 ramus [~ramus@c-50-132-91-53.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:30:08 see also https://github.com/quicklisp/quicklisp-client/issues/79 17:30:27 quickbomb 17:31:25 coreytrevor [~ma@95.211.140.99] has joined #lisp 17:32:09 Xach: you could just steal cl-fad:pathname-as-directory 17:35:05 also if you use "/whatever/foo/bar" in *local-project-directories*, it searches /whatever/foo/** for .asd files.. 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agumonkey [~agu@117.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 20:32:00 you must tell me more 20:32:04 is it pico or something else? 20:32:26 pico yeah 20:32:32 what is that? 20:32:41 meh, I tried pico and.. meh 20:33:04 well i was looking for scheme/lisp interpreters which can run on 8 bit 20:33:09 so i foudn tinyscheme or picolisp 20:33:10 jangle: it's off-topic 20:33:13 have you actually got it working? 20:33:17 It shouldn't take much to build a small lisp cross-compiler for AVR. 20:33:50 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:33:56 well tinyscheme works i guess 20:34:01 it runs on a attiny2313 20:34:13 too bad the guy hasnt build it on a atmega328 or so 20:34:24 he would had plenty of space for his lisp 20:34:34 ngz [~user@91.224.148.150] has joined #lisp 20:35:01 A 2560? I have a couple of Arduino Mega 2560 boards, and Lisp for those would be neat... 20:35:36 normanrichards [~normanric@108.178.120.144] has joined #lisp 20:35:39 well i guess you can fit it in that 20:35:43 how much ram has that got ? 20:35:49 you could probably attach 512kb sram or so 20:35:58 then it works without too much limitations 20:36:27 I don't know the full spec offhand, I'm afraid. 20:36:29 you can load programs from an sdcard also 20:36:36 well i got one 2560 here too 20:36:49 i guess it got 64kb flash ? 20:36:56 I DO have an sdcard shield... Could even possibly do something in terms of virtual memory there... 20:36:58 or more ? 20:37:11 well swapping isnt as good as adding some spi sram 20:37:18 parallel sram is annoying 20:37:18 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@108.178.120.144] has quit [Client Quit] 20:37:19 :D 20:37:22 you need somany pins ^^ 20:38:56 With short bus lines, I'd expect parallel to be faster at a given clock speed, until you get to the point where you're dealing with RF effects. 20:39:33 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-196-60-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:39:41 well 20:39:46 you can run spi with 30mhz 20:39:58 a parallel sram with same capacity and speed is more expensive usually ^^ 20:41:10 Aren't these boards usually clocked at about 10MHz? 20:42:05 Viaken2 [~dpflug@184.90.154.164] has joined #lisp 20:42:33 -!- dcguru [~chatzilla@66.129.60.130] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 20:43:50 which boards ? 20:43:57 nyef, microchip has spi sram 20:44:07 -!- nug700 [~nug700@174-26-141-4.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 20:44:36 The arduino boards, particularly the Mega 2560 R3. 20:44:59 well 20:45:08 8 or 16mhz 20:45:10 usually 20:45:22 but no one prevents you taking it up to 32 mhz or so ^^ 20:45:28 i think extreme overclocking works till 80mhz 20:46:03 lol 20:46:29 i think you could just change the capacitors beside the resonantor 20:46:32 for some boards ^^ 20:46:34 -!- sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:46:48 to let it swing on a ahigher frequency 20:46:49 Beyond my current soldering ability, I'm afraid. 20:47:04 well 20:47:21 Anyway, as fun as this has been, I need to start getting ready to head home for the weekend. 20:47:43 have fun then 20:48:05 Thanks. 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I chased pointers around the CLHS but didn't figure it out.... 21:17:57 -!- nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-116-0.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:20:17 pinupgeek [~pinupgeek@unaffiliated/pinupgeek] has joined #lisp 21:23:46 kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 21:23:58 rpg: I don't think so 21:24:38 I found a case where use of RETURN inside FINALLY in ITER seemed to misbehave because of something introducing another block. 21:24:58 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.200.11.156] has joined #lisp 21:25:35 rpg: cant you name the block in iter? 21:27:35 jasom: Yes, of course you can. 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22:43:59 paddymahoney [~patrick@199-7-156-157.eng.wind.ca] has joined #lisp 22:44:33 <|3b|> or rather does it support any ffi to C libs, since cffi doesn't seem to have any mocl code 22:47:16 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:47:53 -!- ngz [~user@91.224.148.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:48:40 agumonkey [~agu@117.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 22:50:15 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 22:50:30 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:50:46 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.104.234] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:53:34 |3b|: I think mocl only supports calling lisp from C, not vice versa 22:54:31 |3b|: but I don't have a source 22:54:35 <|3b|> i've only heard about calling it from dalvik/objc, not from normal c 22:54:46 <|3b|> (though i guess that is probably a subset of objc on ios) 22:54:54 *|3b|* was mainly interested in android though 22:54:55 -!- jangle [~jimmy1984@198.151.8.4] has quit [Quit: jangle] 22:58:49 -!- pinupgeek [~pinupgeek@unaffiliated/pinupgeek] has quit [Quit: pinupgeek] 22:59:30 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:59:58 sohail [~Adium@69-196-160-96.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 22:59:58 -!- sohail [~Adium@69-196-160-96.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Changing host] 22:59:58 sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 23:00:06 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:00:50 -!- foom [jknight@nat/google/x-dhkpkicicrwwbcmw] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:01:01 -!- agr [~agr@189.38.143.46] has quit [Quit: agr] 23:01:14 foom [jknight@nat/google/x-tdyymjknogdfkowe] has joined #lisp 23:01:35 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 23:02:23 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:02:24 -!- gendl [~gendl@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gendl] 23:03:11 gendl [~gendl@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:03:21 -!- agumonkey [~agu@117.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:40 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.180.70.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:04:52 agr [~agr@189.38.143.46] has joined #lisp 23:05:36 nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 23:05:55 -!- paddymahoney [~patrick@199-7-156-157.eng.wind.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:06:53 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107.200.11.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:09:37 -!- smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.3.3] 23:14:50 my understanding is that mocl creates a plain C library that can be called from Java or Obj C, but the lisp code does not have any sort of FFI access 23:15:45 |3b|: have you taken a look at LinJ? 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