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I just want to implement an interval type and the arithmetic operators on them, ie: [a, b] + [c, d]; etc ? 00:46:30 yeah, just use cl:+ 00:46:42 Bike: ah, durh. thanks. 00:48:25 k0001_ [~k0001@host135.186-125-145.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 00:48:49 -!- doomlord [~doomlod@host86-180-26-144.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:48:52 doomlord_ [~doomlod@host86-180-26-144.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 00:51:45 -!- wormphlegm [~wormphleg@24.130.9.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:51:52 wormphlegm [~wormphleg@24.130.9.50] has joined #lisp 00:52:01 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host236.190-136-67.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:52:54 arrsim` [~user@mail.fitness2live.com.au] has joined #lisp 00:52:56 sometimes I wonder how I get anything done. ;) 00:55:36 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85.130.70.65] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:57:05 -!- harish [~harish@cm32.zeta224.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:58:52 -!- bitonic [~user@2a02:1205:34dc:95e0:250:c5ff:fe00:47b5] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:00:28 -!- malkomalko [~malkomalk@66-234-38-99.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:02:08 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-222-63-148.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:03:24 Bike_ [~Glossina@71-222-63-148.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 01:03:48 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 01:04:50 -!- matko [~matko@ip82-139-123-169.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:05:23 malkomalko [~malkomalk@66-234-38-99.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has joined #lisp 01:05:55 -!- jangle [~jimmy1984@198.151.8.4] has quit [Quit: jangle] 01:07:23 -!- doomlord_ [~doomlod@host86-180-26-144.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:09:18 doomlord [~doomlod@host86-180-26-144.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 01:09:37 normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-147-066-137.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 01:20:34 -!- malkomalko [~malkomalk@66-234-38-99.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:21:58 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-243-233-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:22:55 Anarch [~olaf@c-67-183-64-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:23:24 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:23:26 -!- hwiersma [~hwiersma@S0106602ad08e475a.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:24:20 Is drewc's smug library meant to be primetime in any form? Anyone use it? I can't get it close to compiling etc. in its original form. . . 01:24:43 It compiled for me. 01:25:04 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-39-60.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 01:25:15 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.135.192] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:25:32 Xach: I had to mess with it at many levels. . . in the .asd file it only refernces a few files - do the rest load automatically or something in SBCL? 01:27:11 -!- Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:27:21 Xach: I'm interested if the tip works for you right now (github /drewc/smug) 01:27:28 I guess I can/should try it in sbcl/linux 01:27:39 -!- agumonkey [~agu@179.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:27:47 -!- seangrove [~user@2600:1010:b013:3f80:3d8a:30fc:3a92:7af1] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:29:05 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-147-066-137.mycingular.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:30:40 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 01:30:58 Smug tip does not seem to work via asdf 01:34:55 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.130.69.229] has joined #lisp 01:35:21 harish [~harish@119.234.132.249] has joined #lisp 01:37:25 hwiersma [~hwiersma@205.250.5.108] has joined #lisp 01:37:36 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@81.Red-79-157-153.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 247 seconds] 01:39:55 jangle [~jimmy1984@ip-64-134-189-34.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 01:41:18 -!- jangle [~jimmy1984@ip-64-134-189-34.public.wayport.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:41:27 tcr [~tcr@77-56-40-229.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 01:41:55 abeaumont [~abeaumont@81.Red-79-157-153.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 01:42:00 jangle [~jimmy1984@ip-64-134-189-34.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 01:43:12 Modius: I haven't tried in a while, sorry 01:45:47 -!- tcr [~tcr@77-56-40-229.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:50:18 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has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:14:39 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@118.112.157.36] has left #lisp 05:17:47 Bike, Interestingly, there's an implementation of the quadratic field sieve factoring algorithm in Lisp. http://www.cliki.net/ulimyhmpqs ; and a paper http://roland.iwasno.net/lisp/ulimyhmpqs/ulimyhmpqs-en.pdf 05:18:00 oh, cool, thanks. 05:18:49 catchy name. 05:19:08 -!- _d3f [~gnu@94.242.252.66] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 05:19:27 haha 05:19:33 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:22:18 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@24.130.4.105] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:25:29 Bike: Are you online? 05:26:11 -!- mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:26:58 i am. 05:27:06 Yesterday I discovered a message from you from March 7 - it said: i've been poking at things that might help you as you move from the "get it working" stage to the "get it fast" stage. https://github.com/Bike/sandalphon.types 05:27:37 I only discovered it yesterday because when I log into my IRC client the messages scroll past too fast. 05:27:44 yeah. kinda surprised you ever got to that, haha. 05:27:54 -!- barglfargl [~barglfarg@24-197-167-134.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:27:55 What are sandalphon types? 05:28:41 sandalphon's just a name. it's supposed to be an implementation of CL types in a way that's easy to deal with. i haven't touched it in a while, though. 05:29:09 How can it make my compiler faster? 05:29:19 Or generate faster code? 05:29:30 by giving you type information. 05:29:47 if you know x and y are integers and you want to compile (* x y), you don't need to use a generic routine, that sorta thing 05:29:58 Oh - that is interesting. 05:30:12 you can do that without my thing, obviously 05:30:36 I'll dig into it later then. 05:31:26 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 05:31:46 Right now I'm working on garbage collection, refactoring how I deal with pointers, the lisp printer and writing static analyzers of my C++ code to automatically fix everything. 05:32:18 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:34:02 I've also learned that my compiler is a bit unusual and difficult to optimize because I have a single pass that takes S-expressions and generates LLVM-IR. Apparently it's easier to write an optimizing compiler if you take S-expressions -> abstract syntax tree of structures -> IR. 05:34:54 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c0a9f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 05:34:55 krsree [~sreekumar@125.16.89.134] has joined #lisp 05:34:55 Of course it is. 05:35:20 it's easier to deal with structures than with sexps, generally 05:35:42 Live and learn. 05:38:11 Anyway, garbage collection is the problem of the month. I'm using the Memory Pool System from Ravenbrook. It's great - it runs in a separate thread and does moving GC and can do conservative, exact and mixed garbage collection. 05:38:52 marijn [~user@p5DDB32B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 05:39:23 I also used the Clang AST Matcher library to automatically build the object scanning function from my C++ code. 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'cl-glfw3' is listed, with author 'Alex Charlton', but the link is https://github.com/jimrthy/cl-glfw#readme which hasn't been updated in a year (before glfw *3* was out). i believe the correct link is on Alex's github account, which is here: https://github.com/AlexCharlton/cl-glfw3 08:27:51 wouldn't it be better if you contacted bhyde? 08:28:37 i suppose 08:28:57 -!- agumonkey [~agu@179.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:31:38 ndrei [~avo@mtl93-2-82-66-118-59.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 08:32:44 i posted a comment to the summary. the world is safe again. 08:33:04 -!- nayfun [~nso95@unaffiliated/nathan1995] has left #lisp 08:34:18 peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has joined #lisp 08:34:26 -!- hwiersma [~hwiersma@205.250.5.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:38:19 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-39-60.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 08:44:28 pkkm [~pawel@acya126.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 08:45:34 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 08:45:35 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@musicbrainz/user/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 08:45:57 jewel, Shinmera, thanks for the tips (from yesterday or the day before?), i just successfully finished the assignment 08:45:58 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-39-60.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 08:46:14 it's still not C style 5 seconds but 45 but I can live with that 08:46:22 xificurC, well done 08:47:30 I think you guys were saying I might have some nested loops and you were right (but there were errors in the code too) 08:47:53 I just had a hard time realizing something like e.g. find-if could be a 'nested loop' 08:48:40 in other imperative languages it is easier for me to find such mistakes since they are usually explicitly stated with a for, while or the such 08:49:07 anyway thanks again :) 08:51:56 -!- pkkm [~pawel@acya126.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:52:22 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 08:54:19 Hooray for guesstimating correctly 08:54:28 And I'm glad to hear you managed to figure it out 08:55:20 doomlord [~doomlod@host86-180-26-144.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 08:56:03 45 seconds? that's too slow! 08:56:20 gadjo [~gggg@109.102.72.188] has joined #lisp 08:57:30 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:58:06 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.10.168] has joined #lisp 08:58:06 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.10.168] has quit [Changing host] 08:58:06 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 08:58:10 xificurC: can you paste your code? 08:58:32 stassats: I'd rather not embarass myself :D 08:58:45 but you could learn loads if you pasted it 08:58:45 but oh well 08:58:48 you can write your friend's name on it 08:58:50 yeah 08:59:23 learning more also means less embarassment in the future 08:59:31 pavelpenev [~quassel@85.130.70.65] has joined #lisp 09:00:29 two notes: 09:00:44 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 09:01:07 1) the goal was to compute strongly connected components in a given graph using depth-first-search 09:01:35 2) the code is very much not cleaned or revised :) 09:01:42 http://paste.lisp.org/+2YMN 09:02:13 an input file would be great too 09:02:38 where can I post that, the zipped one is >10MB 09:02:53 -!- nug700 [~nug700@174-26-141-4.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 09:03:35 you don't need to have progn in (loop .. do (progn ...)), it's an implicit progn already 09:03:42 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@41-132-83-33.dsl.mweb.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:03:44 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:03:50 and it's better to split different loop commands on different lines 09:05:14 do you have dropbox or someting? 09:06:06 failing that, you can mail it to me, i can then put it somewhere 09:06:09 if you can open this http://spark-public.s3.amazonaws.com/algo1/programming_prob/SCC.zip 09:06:16 i can 09:07:10 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:08:28 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #lisp 09:08:39 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 09:08:43 so, the first function is better written as http://paste.lisp.org/display/138191#1 09:10:22 you see that I haven't really rechecked the code too much, e.g. keys are numbers but test is equal, progn for 1 command 09:10:41 progn isn't needed even for 3 commands 09:10:53 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:10:58 can a hash-table have = as test? 09:11:06 no 09:11:16 the default #'eql will do 09:11:20 so everything after do in loop is implicitly progn'd? 09:11:20 ehu` [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 09:11:26 yes 09:12:47 and how do you invoke this whole thing? 09:12:58 also didnt know you can push into a hash-map 09:13:09 it pushes into a list 09:13:21 oh my bad 09:13:41 the needed result was the first 5 numbers from the last function, sccs 09:14:22 what's range-end then, 5? 09:14:28 (sccs file 5)? 09:14:55 (sccs file 875714) 09:15:05 it was given in the assignment 09:15:57 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 09:16:06 but (sccs file 875714) will output all strongly connected components and I only needed the largest (i.e. first) 5 09:16:25 so, the numbers in the file are all sorted and without much gaps? you can use an array in this case 09:17:24 it's sorted by the first 'column' 09:17:34 and the vertices of the graph are labelled from 1 to 875714 09:18:44 nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 09:19:28 -!- quasi` [~quasi@61.12.126.211] has left #lisp 09:21:13 -!- entitativity [~entity@85.17.122.229] has quit [Quit: Stay Classy.] 09:21:39 entitativity [~entity@c-50-136-180-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:23:09 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:23:50 xificurC: using READ is slow: http://paste.lisp.org/display/138191#2 09:27:21 cool 09:28:15 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl18-114-239.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:29:35 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@2602:306:3686:f3e0:c11d:a96c:8e73:d206] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:29:56 -!- rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:33:08 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:34:29 -!- gadjo [~gggg@109.102.72.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:34:51 rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has joined #lisp 09:36:56 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:37:18 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 09:37:59 xificurC: Is there any particular reason you're buildinng a function in your function and then just call the inner function rather than skipping that step and just making it the outer function? 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09:50:38 -!- kcj is now known as kcj_ 09:50:47 i got it about 10 times faster here 09:50:54 -!- kcj_ is now known as kcj 09:51:53 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:52:13 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@193.137.28.184] has joined #lisp 09:52:13 stassats: I'd love to see it and learn from it then :) 09:52:27 if I won't be answering for a while it's because I got off to lunch 09:52:40 thanks a lot for checking and explaining and improving 09:52:42 ok, i'll show you when it'll be 20 times faster 09:52:51 you can probably make substantial performance gains by other means as well. my experience from working with graphs is just that it's (almost) always the representation to blame for :) 09:52:59 so 3 seconds? good lord 09:53:13 Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-205-79.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:53:23 well, it's already below 3 seconds here, your computer is just slow 09:53:37 (from the original 21 seconds) 09:54:22 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.10.168] has joined #lisp 09:54:22 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.10.168] has quit [Changing host] 09:54:22 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 09:55:03 my computer is pretty fast but I have 4 cores and the windows sbcl I have runs on 1 09:55:37 the number of cores is irrelevant 09:56:22 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Client Quit] 09:57:41 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-39-60.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:08:04 -!- NickLevine [~chatzilla@ravenbrook.nsdsl.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:08:04 _cosmonaut_ [~user@nat-gw1.edb.se] has joined #lisp 10:08:26 Aramur [~Aramur@102.Red-79-154-74.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 10:11:39 nilsi [~nilsi@124.79.136.212] has joined #lisp 10:17:28 agumonkey [~agu@179.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 10:25:30 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-39-60.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 10:25:41 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:26:28 statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-016-180.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 10:30:05 beaumonta [~abeaumont@175.85-85-216.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es] has joined #lisp 10:31:40 -!- beaumonta [~abeaumont@175.85-85-216.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es] has left #lisp 10:31:59 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:39:02 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:47:54 -!- bitonic [~user@2a02:1205:34dc:95e0:8e70:5aff:fe81:dd50] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:51:18 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-39-60.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 10:52:38 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:53:13 stassats: its a 1yo lenovo t420 with an i5 core 2.50GHz and 4GB ram 10:53:29 I'm curious about the changes you made 10:53:33 -!- s00pcan [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:55:29 i'm not finished yet 10:56:36 nostoi [~nostoi@62.Red-79-156-52.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 10:57:12 so I'll stay curious 10:58:08 indeed 10:58:53 s00pcan [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 11:03:04 -!- arkx_ is now known as arkx 11:06:42 -!- smull [~smull@port-212-202-120-50.static.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:08:32 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 11:09:09 fenton [~fenton@124.121.39.60] has joined #lisp 11:09:23 -!- maxter [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:12:56 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@124.79.136.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:16:47 peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has joined #lisp 11:20:12 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 11:22:54 -!- nostoi [~nostoi@62.Red-79-156-52.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 11:23:34 robot-be` [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:25:23 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:27:36 bitonic [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 11:27:38 -!- petrounias [~petrounia@2.85.32.182] has quit [Quit: petrounias] 11:27:49 stassats: ping 11:29:33 yes 11:30:08 I'd like to use the MIT licence for swap-bytes 11:30:30 -!- dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:30:31 is that ok ? 11:30:42 it is 11:30:55 anything, but gpl, is ok 11:35:08 BitPuffin [~quassel@109.58.167.72.bredband.tre.se] has joined #lisp 11:36:45 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:37:09 -!- s00pcan [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:38:05 smull [~smull@port-212-202-120-50.static.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 11:39:15 aluuu [~aluuu@151.252.192.20] has joined #lisp 11:39:35 -!- Mathieu_ [~cicak@203.127.16.194] has quit [Quit: Mathieu_] 11:42:58 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.230.162] has joined #lisp 11:43:38 Greetings! 11:43:54 -!- aluuu [~aluuu@151.252.192.20] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:43:57 greetings!" 11:44:55 aluuu [~aluuu@151.252.192.20] has joined #lisp 11:47:24 -!- sirdancealot [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:48:08 Oh wow, github redirects requests from cl-hctsmsl to hctsmsl. Cool. 11:48:11 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #lisp 11:48:23 agr [~agr@186.211.65.27] has joined #lisp 11:48:33 -!- jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:48:46 s00pcan [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 11:48:52 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #lisp 11:49:45 stassats: when can you take a look at the VOPs in swap-bytes ? 11:50:14 not sure, sometime this week, probably 11:54:55 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:56:36 gadjo [~gggg@109.102.72.188] has joined #lisp 11:57:15 ApeShot [~user@130.79.58.251] has joined #lisp 11:57:23 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.10.168] has joined #lisp 11:57:23 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.10.168] has quit [Changing host] 11:57:23 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 11:57:33 Anyone know how to make autodoc in emacs give hints even when working inside comments? 11:57:51 It isn't uncommon to have exploratory code in block comments in our code base and it would be nice to see hints 11:59:57 dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has joined #lisp 12:00:48 stassats: would you transfer the github project to me ? 12:01:28 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:02:14 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 12:03:00 sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 12:03:18 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.10.168] has joined #lisp 12:03:18 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.10.168] has quit [Changing host] 12:03:18 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 12:03:48 normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 12:04:44 Munksgaard [~philip@93-165-20-11-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #lisp 12:07:41 -!- jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:07:49 how does that happen? 12:08:12 Settings -> Danger Zone 12:08:22 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 12:10:09 you have to delete your fork 12:12:00 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:12:45 done 12:13:21 done 12:13:24 How can I get the name of a function? 12:13:32 you can't 12:13:48 clhs f-l-e 12:13:48 function-lambda-expression: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_fn_lam.htm 12:14:10 function-lambda-expression is not guaranteed to work 12:16:35 How does function printing work then? Can FORMAT be made to just print the name withut the unreadable object stuff? 12:16:57 killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has joined #lisp 12:17:23 ACtually I suppose not because what would it print if it can't 12:17:38 JasonFelice [~jfelice@cpe-107-10-62-199.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:18:58 buenas tardes 12:19:22 Borbus: what are you trying to do? 12:19:31 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-205-79.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:19:59 stassats: thanks 12:20:06 -!- gadjo [~gggg@109.102.72.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:20:26 A print-object method for a class that contains a function 12:21:03 fe[nl]ix: and i would recommend to consult someone from clozure about the lap-functions 12:21:16 maxter [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has joined #lisp 12:21:17 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 12:21:18 they may work, but have some hidden unintended consequences 12:21:19 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:21:48 stassats: that was my next goal 12:21:49 Borbus: you can do (or (nth-value 2 (function-lambda-expression function)) function) 12:21:58 they currently don't even compile 12:22:36 stassats: yeah I think that's best 12:22:38 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:22:47 fe[nl]ix: ah, you didn't merge a pull-request 12:23:04 fe[nl]ix: https://github.com/sbenitezb/swap-bytes/commit/1086becbb3100711626a4f0183f140fff13e37f7 12:23:47 that should work, but again, unless sbenitezb is from clozure, consulting wouldn't hurt 12:23:51 yes, I've seen that in the list of forks 12:23:58 but I'm not convinced 12:25:44 Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #lisp 12:26:27 -!- arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:27:12 -!- kirin` [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-xenbdycappnzmirm] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:28:03 -!- JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-210-215.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:28:08 kirin` [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-mhnxujzmfvycejmz] has joined #lisp 12:30:13 JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-210-215.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 12:30:50 arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 12:31:19 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:34:19 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:34:48 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 12:36:33 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 12:37:32 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-72-111.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:40:31 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has quit [Quit: normanrichards] 12:41:14 Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #lisp 12:43:56 -!- agumonkey [~agu@179.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:46:54 NickLevine [~chatzilla@ravenbrook.nsdsl.net] has joined #lisp 12:48:29 ustunozgur [~ustunozgu@139.179.103.67] has joined #lisp 12:51:58 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@93-165-20-11-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:53:21 -!- dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:54:18 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has quit [Quit: Must not waste too much time here...] 12:54:45 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:02:31 Jubb [~Jubb@pool-72-66-105-188.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:04:53 xificurC: http://paste.lisp.org/display/138191#3 should be a bit faster 13:05:01 arnsa [~arnsa@78.63.18.208] has joined #lisp 13:05:29 Are there any lisp devs who're programming with lisp in vim? 13:05:57 yes 13:06:04 arnsa: no, they've all been ostracized 13:06:10 hehe 13:06:13 I do 13:06:28 (new to Common Lisp, but have written lots of Scheme) 13:06:29 dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has joined #lisp 13:06:36 arnsa: I think I saw somewhere paul graham was known for doing this 13:06:43 yeah 13:06:50 http://www.paulgraham.com/pfaq.html 13:06:57 no true lisper would do that, though 13:07:27 That's weird, tho. I have twelve years of vim muscle memory, and programming lisp still makes me want to switch. 13:07:50 Though I'm clearly not going to. The same way I'm not going dvorak. 13:08:06 Dvorak would not help you write Lisp programs faster. 13:08:29 *mstevens* is trying to re-learn lisp to finish the project I started working on last time I tried to learn lisp 13:08:51 Well, I hear mixed reports on Dvorak being an improvement. Same with Emacs, though it clearly has a lisp advantage. 13:10:04 http://mkweb.bcgsc.ca/carpalx/ 13:10:13 dvorak is not an improvement ^^ 13:10:27 colemak however, is 13:10:41 jagaj: You see, I have a bag of mixed report, so adding a report doesn't make it unmixed. :) 13:11:07 JasonFelice: check the site, it's a statistical analysis of layouts 13:11:11 JasonFelice: what plugins do you use and how do you run lisp code? 13:11:12 no need for subjective comparisons 13:11:21 -!- dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:11:26 Xach: I am frequently entertained by your comment on PCL 13:11:29 and the differences are quite significant 13:11:42 arnsa: I think I really just use vim's lisp stuff. 'set lisp' 13:11:51 mario-goulart [~user@email.parenteses.org] has joined #lisp 13:11:53 mstevens: I am here all the week 13:12:58 JasonFelice: and how do you run lisp's code? I'm a beginner, not rly familiar with all this stuff yet 13:13:23 stassats: that will take a while to grasp (and learn the functions I don't know yet) 13:13:24 thanks 13:13:39 does it work? 13:13:51 and is it faster for you? 13:14:25 arnsa: Yeah, just checked. For common lisp, I don't have any modifications. For scheme, I have: https://gist.github.com/eraserhd/6079494 13:14:28 I'll re-ask my question from earlier, is anyong doing cool stuff with lisp lately that I can look at and go "ooh, a cool thing"? 13:14:38 JasonFelice: so how do you run common lisp on vim? 13:15:02 arnsa: I don't really run it in the editor. I use tmux. I usually have a tmux tab open with sbcl running. 13:15:07 mstevens: I know of some cool things but no, we can't look at it at all ;_; 13:15:16 mstevens: lparallel/lfarm is cool 13:15:32 sbcl is cool 13:15:40 mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 13:15:43 mstevens: have you seen the Quicklisp new projects for the current dist? 13:15:45 arnsa: I also use the Vimux plugin and map ",," to run my tests. 13:15:48 novasparks is cool in general :> 13:15:51 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f75796c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:16:03 samebchase: quicklisp is seriously cool in general, but I haven't seen recent coolness 13:16:19 http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2013/07/quicklisp-new-packages-july-2013 13:16:30 stassats: runs in 3 seconds now 13:16:34 mstevens: https://www.google.com/flights 13:16:39 mstevens: it looks mostly done. What do you want? 13:16:46 xificurC: and is the result correct? 13:16:51 prxq: nothing 13:17:14 prxq: I'm quite happy with quicklisp, it just fails to fit the category "new hotness" that I was interested in 13:17:20 it's old hotness 13:17:28 stassats: yes 13:17:35 i got SBCL to use 64KB less, how hot is that? 13:17:35 i see 13:17:49 but did you want hot or cool? i'm now confused 13:17:56 stassats: Exactly one Commodore 64 less? 13:18:15 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 13:18:37 stassats: can you explain why is array a better choice? 13:18:56 because it's better suited to the problem 13:19:22 I like xach's proposal 13:19:34 i figured thats why you use it, but why is it better suited 13:19:37 minion: chant 13:19:37 MORE ALSO 13:19:40 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Client Quit] 13:19:48 or is that too complicated to answer to someone who doesnt know the background 13:20:03 saving 64k is also moderately cool 13:20:04 to explain* 13:20:09 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 13:20:15 no, it's pretty basic, you just need to know the difference between hashtables and arrays 13:20:16 you could fit an entire demo in that 13:20:47 I guess Google Flights is too boring a lisp project to qualify :p 13:21:13 so as a rule of thumb when should I use arrays and when hash-tables 13:21:24 dlowe: it's old hotness, and I can't download it 13:21:57 xificurC: use an array when you can, it'll always be cheaper 13:22:02 mstevens: downloadability was not at all one of the criteria 13:22:13 anyway, it's new that I'm working on it 13:22:42 "can" usually implies: non-sparse numbers 13:23:53 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:24:03 dlowe: actually, I'm looking, and it's interesting, although some of the prices are entertainingly odd 13:24:34 stassats: ok 13:24:55 Munksgaard [~philip@93-165-20-11-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #lisp 13:25:11 dlowe: eg uk to france via several different places in morocco 13:25:33 I assume there's a shortage of flights that connect those two places 13:29:37 air fares are utterly insane. You would not believe how insane. 13:29:50 That figure also takes into account the international taxes. 13:30:02 which are, themselves, completely insane. 13:37:08 -!- Jubb [~Jubb@pool-72-66-105-188.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:37:34 sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 13:41:05 stassats: i also noticed you changed all do's to loop's, was that for performance improvements as well or were there other reasons 13:41:17 it's more clear 13:41:48 it was even more clear before i did some other optimizations 13:43:25 did you understand the logic of my code by just reading it? I have often trouble understanding code someone else wrote 13:43:50 no, i understood its logic by rewriting it 13:44:19 -!- fenton [~fenton@124.121.39.60] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 13:44:40 Harag [~Thunderbi@41-132-83-33.dsl.mweb.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:45:15 by rewriting you mean copying my code by writing it yourself or adjusting it 13:45:33 adjusting 13:46:18 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 13:46:31 funny its 100 loc but it will take me a day to understand it (maybe) 13:47:05 most time is spent reading the files, so, i had to make it as fast as possible, but it became less readable 13:47:20 the file 13:47:28 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:47:42 well I have no idea what's happening in read-number, although I can't blame you, I don't have any programming background from school or own projects 13:47:59 so something like unsigned-byte 24 and unsigned-byte 8 don't tell me much 13:48:11 it reads digit by digits, and then constructs the number, by shifting it left (* x 10), then adding the current digit 13:48:28 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:49:58 so a character is represented with 8 bytes and a number by 24? 13:50:03 with* 13:50:38 that's just declarations for optimizations 13:50:40 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:50:44 and it's not bytes, but bits 13:51:33 875714 is 20 bit in length, so 24 bit would be enough (20 would be too, but 24 is a nice round number) 13:52:03 I'd consider 20 round enough but i'm no programmer 13:52:04 stassats: you need 21 bits to completely cover Unicode though 13:52:04 and one byte is 8 bit in length, so that's why (unsigned-byte 8) 13:52:18 fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:52:22 loke: that has nothing to do with unicode 13:52:50 xificurC: 24 is 3 bytes exactl (* 3 8) 13:52:53 ly 13:52:56 Oh, that's what you get for making asusmptions 13:53:14 tcr1 [~tcr@77-56-40-229.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:53:43 -!- tcr [~tcr@77-56-40-229.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:53:44 nilsi [~nilsi@124.79.136.212] has joined #lisp 13:54:08 xificurC: not that this is tuned exactly to the file you sent me, it may silently fail with larger numbers or a different format 13:54:59 -!- JasonFelice [~jfelice@cpe-107-10-62-199.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:55:31 stassats: I understand, you just wanted to show those pesky C solutions that a CL one can be fast too :p 13:56:02 yes, 45 seconds was too slow 13:57:23 my first attempt would take 1 hour and 45 minutes to find the wrong solution 13:57:41 I considered 45 seconds (and a good answer) a major improvement 13:57:50 bashyal [~bashyal@ec2-54-245-100-167.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 13:58:27 segv- [~mb@95-91-241-44-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 13:58:33 it still can be improved, but i got bored 13:59:17 normanrichards [~normanric@74.61.92.158] has joined #lisp 13:59:30 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:59:59 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:02:01 for example, using a custom IO streams 14:02:16 I see there's a trailing space in the file, I couldnt understand how can the code work 14:02:21 luckily, i have one written already, and it's more than twice as fast at reading that file 14:02:28 I thought the second call to read-number also reads the newline 14:02:35 and throws it away 14:03:19 right, at first i didn't know that there was a space and it didn't work 14:03:31 heh 14:03:57 so what did it run on your pc 14:04:18 how long*, my english is off today 14:04:28 1.6 seconds 14:04:51 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-138-72.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:06:19 xificurC_ [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-wgwlgyyeuwkaymca] has joined #lisp 14:06:56 why do you have a (safety 0) declaration only in read-number but not in other functions? 14:07:17 it doesn't make much of a difference 14:07:31 and because it makes harder to debug complex code, read-number is simple and is called a lot 14:08:54 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-panykuuodndslehs] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:09:35 on that topic, how does one debug effectively? I'm used to having an IDE where you can step over lines of code and check the value of each variable in a pretty window, set breakpoints and so 14:09:41 I have no idea what to do in emacs 14:09:43 and cl 14:10:19 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 14:10:30 it depends a bit on your style 14:10:34 I do the same thing as in every language: Log everything 14:10:35 by inspecting the back trace, inserting (break), using TRACE 14:10:36 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:10:38 I've heard edebug in emacs is very very good, and that slime was initially an attempt to make CL hacking & debugging similar to emacs. 14:10:39 adding print statements 14:10:41 xificurC_: You can do that in Emacs too, but usually it's not as needed 14:10:49 my favorite is "thinking hard" 14:10:50 *Xach* doesn't hack emacs lisp like that 14:11:10 if you program in a style where your functions are small, do one thing, and return the values that reflect the results of the computation, using TRACE is basically all you need 14:11:11 stassats: I do try to do that often, but it makes my head hurt after a while. 14:11:33 Xach: and there i wanted to make something like slime but for emacs lisp 14:11:43 because writing emacs lisp is not that nice 14:11:44 if you program in a way that is perhaps more inspired by procedural programming, breakpoints, format debugging and stepping are more helpful 14:12:23 stassats: I don't know from personal experience, but I remember lukego saying very kind things about the emacs development experience. 14:13:00 maybe slime was just worse than, but not anymore 14:13:03 stassats: it would be interesting to see things come full circle 14:13:07 then 14:13:27 i even had to write my own M-. 14:13:37 ahungry_ [~null@66.184.106.97] has joined #lisp 14:14:18 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 14:14:19 stassats: Ironically, I use a package called elisp-slime-nav. :-) Slime-like navigation for Elisp 14:14:26 So it has indeed come full circle 14:14:28 well my usual function creation goes like this: 1) 2 hours to find out how to write what I want the function to do in CL; 2) run it and hit an infinite loop; 3) restart slime and either add print statements or think hard (which makes my head hurt too); 4) rewrite the code; 5) repeat 2-4 until results come out 14:14:56 xificurC_: You do know you can type C-c C-c in Emacs to interupt into the debugger right? 14:15:33 loke: since yesterday, yes 14:15:41 -!- Aramur [~Aramur@102.Red-79-154-74.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Aramur] 14:15:46 or the day before 14:16:18 victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has joined #lisp 14:17:46 Aethaeryn [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #lisp 14:17:48 *loke* "got into" CL after solving a bunch of the Google Codejam tasks in CL 14:18:07 Small, focused projects that has a "correct" solution 14:18:15 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:18:28 *mstevens* is interested in lisp based on pg's pr. Although he seems to have stopped doing it a few years ago. 14:18:43 learning lisp and emacs at the same time made me feel like I have to throw away everything I am used to and let the lisp aliens reprogram my brain 14:18:54 now that I think of it it still feels like that 14:19:03 -!- bitonic [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:19:37 *loke* used Emacs since version 16. In that time, I have done quite a bit of Elisp on and off. But it took until just a few years ago to really "get" cl 14:20:19 what about step, noone mentioned it, only trace 14:20:34 -!- Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:20:48 xificurC_: You can do it, but like I said eariler, you rarely need it. 14:21:10 I've never used an implementation that had a nice interface for stepping. I wouldn't mind trying one someday. 14:21:17 Since I don't have it I use other tools. 14:22:48 stepping lisp code? 14:23:17 maybe I haven't had enough coffee but that sounds weird. 14:23:30 I'd like to try it and decide for myself. 14:23:36 *j_king* nods. 14:23:37 so the general idea is check the backtrace, use break and trace, print stuff 14:23:42 that sounds awesome! 14:23:56 Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #lisp 14:24:03 that's how I debug C. :) 14:24:04 xificurC_: the backtrace is interactive, you can inspect the state of the objects from it. 14:24:12 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@77-56-40-229.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:24:26 iirc, clisp has decent stepping. But then it's clisp 14:24:34 Xach: yeah i know thanks 14:24:54 im not saying there isnt enough debugging options in cl, im just collecting advice 14:25:42 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:25:53 xificurC_: It took me a long time to learn how to do anything but quit out of a backtrace. I use it a lot more, now. 14:26:52 im just mad that writing and debugging an idiotic imperative language like vb or java is so much easier for me than the same in cl 14:26:59 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@74.61.92.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:27:07 i'd like it to be the other way :) 14:27:28 btw, if anyone has time for criticism: http://paste.lisp.org/display/138187 thinking of converting something I've been toying w/ in Python to Lisp. Interval arithmetic, bisection, analysis, etc. 14:27:39 Xach: took me almost a year too, luckily i watched some video about slime where a guy showed it 14:28:15 (apply #'min products) is wrong 14:28:31 stassats: thanks what's proper? 14:28:46 (reduce #'min products) 14:28:53 but it's easier just to do that in LOOP directly 14:29:24 dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has joined #lisp 14:30:49 BTW Is there any way to force slime to reuse buffer after continue restart? when I have (defun foo () (break)(break)) First break is in 1 buffer, second opens in another 14:31:02 stassats: from the little time i spend here i havent seen once you using reduce, apply, mapcar or find-if. it's always loop :) 14:31:15 xificurC_: it isn't 14:31:22 only when it's the best solution 14:31:56 j_king: http://paste.lisp.org/display/138187#1 14:31:57 im just kidding 14:32:01 does anyone use iterate? 14:32:40 I've thought about it really hard 14:32:41 stassats: that looks much nicer. 14:33:00 stassats: thanks 14:33:17 you can do (* x y) once as well 14:34:08 or even no loop at all 14:35:24 j_king: http://paste.lisp.org/display/138187#2 14:37:00 with the right parenthesis 14:37:45 -!- rk[zzz] is now known as ryankarason 14:38:12 j_king: http://paste.lisp.org/display/138187#3 will probably be the fastest 14:41:26 hm does #2 cover [a, b] x [c, d] = [min(a * c, a * d, b * c, b * d), max(a * c, )] ? Just doing a simple substitution gives me [min(a * c, b * d), max(a * c, b* d)] 14:42:03 or do you not have to cover all of the products to do an interval multiplication? 14:42:06 they are all equivalent, don't know about what you intended 14:43:03 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interval_arithmetic 14:43:03 the original doesn't do what just described 14:43:12 -!- jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:43:50 just started getting into this stuff, trying to learn more. 14:44:18 -!- agr [~agr@186.211.65.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:44:41 Here was my interval code, FWIW https://bitbucket.org/tarballs_are_good/lisp-random/src/e5ffcbc43ec637357a9ed79dc0e56a0e774e065b/interval.lisp?at=default 14:45:09 j_king: just add more min/max 14:45:27 (and apply on just 2 elements is actually not wrong) 14:45:38 but using it on lists of arbitrary length is not advised 14:45:39 Viaken2 [~dpflug@184.90.154.164] has joined #lisp 14:45:53 stassats: I'll keep that in mind 14:46:14 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 14:47:33 (not completely cleaned up for fleshed out, though) 14:48:31 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:48:41 ack, re: loop. problem with converting from Python. 14:48:51 late at night. 14:49:01 must program in lisp more often 14:49:13 for that to mean multiplication, you would need two loops, nested 14:49:21 but it's better to not use loop at all 14:50:34 Quadrescence: cheers 14:50:42 :) 14:52:11 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@193.137.28.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:52:21 stassats: one more day and I might even understand your code 14:52:36 but I have a feeling the last loop with two returns will cause me a smaller headache 14:54:04 -!- jagaj [~AdmiralBu@pool-71-99-141-240.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: jagaj] 14:54:29 -!- loke [~user@bb121-7-211-212.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:54:41 -!- bashyal [~bashyal@ec2-54-245-100-167.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Quit: bashyal] 14:55:42 AeroNotix [~xeno@abol168.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 14:55:57 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@193.137.28.184] has joined #lisp 14:56:09 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@124.79.136.212] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:57:06 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.134.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:00:27 i still dont understand how can someone write a complex dsl like loop and have it optimal enough to use so widely 15:00:27 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:00:43 bitonic [~user@cust.static.81-63-183-2.swisscomdata.ch] has joined #lisp 15:00:58 everytime i use loop i feel like cheating a bit 15:01:12 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 15:01:45 -!- codeburg [~folker@194.6.195.43] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:05:48 i like cheating. gets things done sooner. 15:05:52 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:05:56 stassats: what happens to (loop ... when something do (return foo) finally (return bar))? 15:05:59 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.10.168] has joined #lisp 15:05:59 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.10.168] has quit [Changing host] 15:05:59 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 15:06:00 *j_king* lazy. 15:06:07 davazp [~user@204.Red-79-153-96.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 15:06:07 joe9 [~user@70.179.153.227] has joined #lisp 15:06:21 I mean will the finally part be done even if when was satisified and the first return was done? 15:06:32 no, it won't be executed 15:06:34 -!- arrsim` [~user@mail.fitness2live.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:06:49 so the finally part only gets executed when the first part didnt 15:06:51 if you want to execute it, that'd be do (loop-finish) 15:06:57 sounds like if/else 15:07:34 -!- krishnak [~krishnak@204.28.120.61] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:08:13 Karl_dscc [~localhost@ipdsw03.informatik.fh-schmalkalden.de] has joined #lisp 15:09:08 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.134.139] has joined #lisp 15:09:18 krishnak [~krishnak@204.28.120.61] has joined #lisp 15:09:27 thanks for all the help stassats 15:09:41 i'll go off now 15:09:53 will keep meditating over your code tomorrow 15:10:48 hwiersma [~hwiersma@205.250.5.108] has joined #lisp 15:11:43 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:12:16 -!- xificurC_ [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-wgwlgyyeuwkaymca] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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16:27:42 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:28:18 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@93-165-20-11-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:28:59 ndrei [~avo@mtl93-2-82-66-118-59.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 16:29:40 hwiersma [~hwiersma@S0106602ad08e475a.ok.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 16:31:34 -!- bitonic [~user@cust.static.81-63-183-2.swisscomdata.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:31:57 bitonic` [~user@li146-81.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 16:35:03 benny [~user@maidenhead3.tunnelr.com] has joined #lisp 16:35:39 -!- bitonic` [~user@li146-81.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:35:40 -!- nbouscal [~nbouscal@c-67-168-113-48.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has commenced electric sheep tracking protocol.] 16:36:09 bitonic` [~user@cust.static.81-63-183-2.swisscomdata.ch] has joined #lisp 16:38:03 So no format wizards around here? 16:38:33 nbouscal [~nbouscal@c-67-168-113-48.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:45:39 kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 16:46:32 Sourceless [~Sourceles@milan.cs.york.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 16:47:09 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-131-74.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:47:40 -!- ndrei [~avo@mtl93-2-82-66-118-59.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:49:57 Munksgaard [~philip@93-165-20-11-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #lisp 16:50:38 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-138-72.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:51:13 nug700 [~nug700@174-26-141-4.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:52:31 Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #lisp 16:53:06 Eldariof-ru [~CLD@pppoe-196-60-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 16:58:09 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 16:58:21 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:00:50 ndrei [~avo@mtl93-2-82-66-118-59.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 17:01:17 -!- statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-016-180.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:04:37 sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 17:05:45 bashyal [~bashyal@ec2-54-245-100-167.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 17:07:53 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:08:48 -!- ndrei [~avo@mtl93-2-82-66-118-59.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:08:54 -!- sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Client Quit] 17:08:55 ApeShot: I think youd need to use ~// for that (IE, write your own function, give it a short name) 17:10:20 Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #lisp 17:10:55 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@93-165-20-11-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:11:35 -!- thehandler [~this@41.89.164.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:11:36 fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317871.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 17:13:13 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-91-232.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:13:41 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:14:38 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.10.168] has joined #lisp 17:14:38 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.10.168] has quit [Changing host] 17:14:38 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 17:15:44 agr [~agr@186.231.79.107] has joined #lisp 17:16:44 ndrei [~avo@mtl93-2-82-66-118-59.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 17:17:50 BitPuffin_ [~quassel@95.209.163.127.mobile.tre.se] has joined #lisp 17:18:38 -!- BitPuffin [~quassel@109.58.167.72.bredband.tre.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:18:57 Aramur [~Aramur@102.Red-79-154-74.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 17:21:04 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-145-13.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:21:26 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-131-74.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:21:38 -!- ndrei [~avo@mtl93-2-82-66-118-59.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:21:50 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:23:55 Munksgaard [~philip@93-165-20-11-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #lisp 17:28:25 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:29:02 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 17:34:53 -!- Viaken2 [~dpflug@184.90.154.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:35:39 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 17:37:56 Any format wizards here now? 17:38:30 I don't think so 17:38:51 would "you can't do that" be considered wizardry? 17:39:13 Sure 17:39:16 It would be nice to know 17:39:37 I'd like to format a number in scientific notation but with exponents which are multiples of three only 17:43:20 doesn't look like it's possible 17:43:22 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:43:48 ApeShot: You didnt like my answer? :( 17:43:56 didn't see it 17:44:08 But now I do 17:44:12 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 17:44:19 Thanks, though 17:46:00 ndrei [~avo@mtl93-2-82-66-118-59.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 17:50:03 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:50:23 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 17:53:51 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Client Quit] 17:56:36 Ralt [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 18:00:31 matko [~matko@ip82-139-123-169.lijbrandt.net] has joined #lisp 18:01:37 krishnak` [~krishnak@63.251.54.158] has joined #lisp 18:01:50 -!- Ralt [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:02:04 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:02:16 -!- Klaufir_ [~admin@109.232.224.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:05:42 mc40 [~mc@host109-148-39-100.range109-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 18:05:52 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:06:56 -!- hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@94.137.59.76] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys1] 18:09:33 keen__ [~blackened@pd2ae208c.wmaxuq00.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 18:10:13 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-120-81.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:11:34 jd__: ping 18:11:46 fe[nl]ix: hey! 18:12:31 -!- nug700 [~nug700@174-26-141-4.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:12:36 what's the problem, then ? 18:12:45 fe[nl]ix: I get the ldb> prompt sometimes when running unit tests, sbcl goes to 1 GB, whereas running the stuff in normal mode I have a 130 MB process 18:12:57 nug700 [~nug700@174-26-141-4.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:13:04 what do you mean normal mode ? 18:13:14 I mean just launching my application 18:13:46 agspathis [~user@ppp-94-64-56-30.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 18:14:04 and I've no clue on how to track what's wrong 18:14:16 gadjo [~gggg@109.102.72.188] has joined #lisp 18:15:11 one common way is to bisect the problem 18:15:16 -!- clog [~nef@bespin.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:15:30 comment out half of the test suite and run it 18:15:43 Klaufir_ [~admin@109.232.224.97] has joined #lisp 18:16:11 it may be that the problems are caused by the test suite 18:16:45 yup, I tried that but failed to identify a particular test 18:16:59 is the source code public ? 18:17:00 maybe even binary is lisp ? 18:17:12 wth 18:17:25 fe[nl]ix: http://github.com/jd/kawoosh 18:18:03 -!- davazp [~user@204.Red-79-153-96.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:18:15 fe[nl]ix: typical failure https://travis-ci.org/jd/kawoosh/builds/9359107 18:18:31 fe[nl]ix: and obviously it's quite random :) 18:19:01 if you were on a lispm yes buuuut..... 18:19:06 there's C in between...... 18:19:38 Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #lisp 18:19:40 how much memory do those VM have ? 18:20:21 you could pass a larger --dynamic-space-size to sbcl 18:20:21 -!- bitonic` [~user@cust.static.81-63-183-2.swisscomdata.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:21:19 -!- ckoch786 [~ckoch@98.103.82.66] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21:48 since when does Travis have CL support ? 18:21:56 fe[nl]ix: don't know about the size of the VM; my laptop has 4 GB, but I think sbcl stops working after ~1 GB 18:22:07 64bit ? 18:22:08 ! 18:22:13 the default is 1GB 18:22:20 i was working on a CL recipe for travis who beat me to it? :) 18:22:22 you have to increase it manually 18:22:23 fe[nl]ix: it has support to run anything so I just apt-get install sbcl and run the tests :) 18:22:40 ok, increasing it might workaround thanks :) 18:22:57 jd__: try changing the travis file to use sbcl --dynamic-space-size 2500 18:23:10 oh, but or 2000 18:23:11 not sure 18:23:18 their VMs are 32bit 18:23:29 even 3000 should wor 18:23:29 k 18:24:01 Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@201.165.168.205] has joined #lisp 18:24:04 pushed for 2500, we'll see how it turns in the long run, thanks guy 18:24:17 ah nm, jd__ just did it manually. ;) 18:25:00 jd__: given the amount of code you loaded and that postgres is also running, maybe SBCL is running out of memory as expected 18:25:01 i should finish that recipe some time soon just so many implementations to cover/build 18:25:04 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-91-232.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 18:25:21 while there's activity anyone's experienced with hunchentoot and chunked encoding usage? I'm having troubles with long-running connections 18:25:59 fe[nl]ix: well, that seems weird, since if I load and run the worker or the httpd daemon, they just use ~150 MB top :( but I'll dig later I guess 18:26:29 dpflug [~dpflug@184.90.147.85] has joined #lisp 18:26:29 -!- dpflug is now known as Viaken2 18:27:03 -!- aluuu [~aluuu@151.252.192.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:27:47 jd__: the default amount of RAM seems to be 1.5GB 18:28:14 the default is dependent on the ram amount 18:28:26 on 4GB, it's 1GB on x86-64 18:29:55 sohail1 [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 18:29:58 or not 18:30:01 i forgot 18:30:13 -!- sohail1 [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Client Quit] 18:30:41 outch, sbcl 1.0.55 ? 18:32:59 ckoch786 [~ckoch@98.103.82.66] has joined #lisp 18:33:05 "1 GB ought to be enough for anybody" ? 18:33:22 fe[nl]ix: yeah but I'm running 1.1.6 here, same issue anyway 18:33:57 i mixed upt, it's some other options are dependent on dynamic-space-size 18:34:14 on 64-bit, it's default default to 1GB, on 32-bit it's 500M 18:35:09 jd__: you can try setting (sb-ext:bytes-consed-between-gcs) to some very low value 18:35:30 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@93-165-20-11-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:35:52 and 1GB is very low, if you have too much uncollectable garbage, that means just 500M can be live at once 18:36:21 -!- arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:37:10 jd__: my best guess is that the test suite is generating large amounts of garbage 18:37:12 it's very much intended to be increased, previously it was 8GB, but had troubles on some platforms 18:37:57 you can build sbcl with ./make.sh --dynamic-space-size=3Gb 18:38:07 that would help with tests as wel 18:38:07 l 18:38:19 I should make a portable wrapper for retrieving the amount of garbage generated 18:38:28 and track each test in fiveam 18:38:37 that would be good for debugging 18:38:41 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s/who/whoaa/ 18:42:07 s/collect/copy/ 18:42:18 jd__: it's easier to simply download the ccl tarball in the setup script 18:42:19 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@193.137.28.184] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:42:30 -!- Eldariof-ru [~CLD@pppoe-196-60-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [] 18:42:52 so, passing --dynamic-space-size didn't work? 18:43:14 stassats: it does work, I'm just curious 18:43:23 -!- ecraven [~user@www.nexoid.at] has quit [Quit: brb] 18:43:42 and thanks for the help and information :) 18:44:25 i was simplifying, but it's also generational, so not all the memory is processed at once always 18:46:32 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@ipdsw03.informatik.fh-schmalkalden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:46:54 fe[nl]ix: btw, thoughts on my PR on 5am? 18:47:46 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:48:19 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:49:10 bitonic` 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(or as much of backtrace as you feel like typing beyond that) 19:28:58 redline6561 [~redline65@li69-162.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 19:29:18 bitonic [~user@94-201.77-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 19:29:21 Foxboron [~root@46.246.93.106] has joined #lisp 19:29:27 BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has joined #lisp 19:29:35 |3b|: ah thanks, somehow I didn't notice that prompt was ok to keep commands other than choices numbers :( 19:29:37 kbtr [~kbtr@li198-73.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 19:29:42 *jd__* goes back hiding 19:29:47 j0ni [~j0ni@tomos.lollyshouse.net] has joined #lisp 19:29:51 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:29:57 <|3b|> 'help' will list other commands at sbcl debugger 19:30:05 froggey [~froggey@unaffiliated/froggey] has joined #lisp 19:30:10 hypno [~hypno@impulse2.gothiaso.com] has joined #lisp 19:30:13 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 19:30:40 ffilozov [~user@159.Red-83-52-249.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 19:33:37 segv-: ping 19:34:40 nug700 [~nug700@174.26.141.4] has joined #lisp 19:34:53 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 19:35:02 jd__: committed with some changes 19:35:16 krishnak` [~krishnak@63.251.54.158] has joined #lisp 19:35:16 Betawolf [betawolf@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:5300] has joined #lisp 19:35:16 yroeht1 [~yroeht@x.yroeht.eu] has joined #lisp 19:35:16 vhost- [~vhost@li540-47.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 19:35:16 karswell` [~user@87.113.254.15] has joined #lisp 19:35:16 irq0 [~irq0@amy.irq0.org] has joined #lisp 19:35:16 bobbysmith007 [~russ@firewall-dcd1.acceleration.net] has joined #lisp 19:35:16 DollyDuplex [~git@81.169.150.203] has joined #lisp 19:35:16 banjiewen [banjiewen@gateway/shell/cloudant/x-vzhecfcaersuqyus] has joined #lisp 19:35:16 gabot [~eli@racket/bot/gabot] has joined #lisp 19:35:16 clop [~jared@64.129.166.50] has joined #lisp 19:35:16 zeroish [~zeroish@135.207.174.50] has joined #lisp 19:35:16 rvncerr [~rvncerr@unaffiliated/rvncerr] has joined #lisp 19:35:16 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 19:35:16 Krystof [~user@81.174.155.115] has joined #lisp 19:35:16 ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined #lisp 19:35:16 NimeshNeema [uid2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-taifxppfeuacfrul] has joined #lisp 19:35:16 gendl [~gendl@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:35:18 I'm trying to launch SLIME with Quicklisp loaded at startup, and I get "ASDF could not load sb-introspect because ... Error while compiling swank-sbcl.lisp". If I remove Quicklisp from .sbclrc, then I'm able to lunch SLIME. I've tried this with many different SBCL versions, and I'm using the latest SLIME. Any thoughts? 19:35:33 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 19:36:07 smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has joined #lisp 19:37:22 -!- agspathis [~user@ppp-94-64-56-30.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:37:38 fe[nl]ix: awesome, thanks! 19:40:36 ffilozov: What error? 19:41:45 stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has joined #lisp 19:43:17 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:43:25 Xach: Exact error http://paste.lisp.org/display/138196 19:45:11 I wonder if debian is interfering somehow. 19:45:29 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:46:05 I've tried a few versions of SBCL, and same error. 19:46:29 Xach: When was the last time quicklisp.lisp was updated? 19:47:46 -!- optikalmouse [~quassel@gw.trapeze.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:48:06 ffilozov: 2012-11-25 19:48:27 ffilozov: Do you try with debian SBCL and slime purged? 19:49:01 I'm using debian SBCL and SLIME from source. 19:49:36 <|3b|> do you get an error if you load sb-introspect by itself? either with asdf or require 19:50:01 <|3b|> and with or without loading quicklisp first 19:50:32 Munksgaard [~philip@93-165-20-11-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #lisp 19:51:39 optikalmouse [~quassel@gw.trapeze.com] has joined #lisp 19:51:42 ffilozov: Do you always use Debian versions of SBCL? 19:53:20 When I try (require 'sb-introspect) it tells me that ASDF could not load sb-introspect because the quicklisp/systems.txt has a Bad header line. I looked at system.txt and seems like the URL in the meta tag is referring to some filtering URL. Seems like at some point Quicklisp tried to access a URL which was classified as porn. Hmm. 19:54:20 weeeeird! that's interesting. 19:54:49 You might need to reinstall quicklisp, then. Maybe it will get the data files it needs cleanly this time. 19:55:51 Does this look right http://paste.lisp.org/display/138197 ? 19:56:22 no. systems.txt is not pornography. 19:56:25 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-145-13.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:56:26 maybe it's lisp porn. 19:56:36 Let me try reinstalling. 19:56:49 ffilozov: do the other *.txt files in that directory have the same problem? 19:57:32 enabled.txt is empty, and distinfo.txt contains normal URL's. 19:59:16 ffilozov: you may be able to just remove systems.* and have them reloaded on demand. 19:59:21 rather than a full reinstall 19:59:54 ffilozov: i wonder if this is causing your cffi/alexandria problem, too... 20:00:17 Seems like systems.txt is being generated with that bad URL, after I removed it. 20:00:39 yano [yano@freenode/staff/yano] has joined #lisp 20:01:25 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-173-143.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01:28 The newly-fetched one still has bogus stuff in it? 20:01:33 Yes. 20:01:51 Can you view http://beta.quicklisp.org/dist/quicklisp/2013-06-15/systems.txt in your browser? 20:02:06 Nope. Blocked. 20:02:54 wow 20:03:03 Who is your network administrator? I can call him or her and explain how important I am and demand they unblock it. 20:04:47 normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-147-064-069.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 20:04:47 I'm using a cafe's WiFi. At least I know the problem now. 20:05:37 Please let me know if fixing it helps with CFFI, too 20:06:12 Is there another way to get to that file? 20:06:33 try a proxy? 20:06:42 -!- Bike [~Glossina@75-175-73-78.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:08:01 Bike [~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:09:25 -!- bitonic [~user@94-201.77-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:10:45 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host135.186-125-145.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:12:16 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:12:55 Great! That fixed that problem. Thanks. 20:13:02 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-166-5.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:13:07 -!- ApeShot [~user@130.79.58.251] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:13:39 Xach: That didn't fix the CFFI issue. 20:15:00 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 20:15:20 Aramur [~Aramur@102.Red-79-154-74.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 20:15:21 bitonic [~user@94-201.77-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 20:16:09 Xach: I did notice that lisp-zmq loads cffi-grovel directly using (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op 'cffi-grovel). 20:20:19 Although the same code is there when I don't involve local projects. 20:29:08 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-166-5.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:30:33 pjb` [~t@AMontsouris-651-1-252-173.w92-163.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 20:32:19 -!- ffilozov [~user@159.Red-83-52-249.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:32:33 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-166-5.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:33:16 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abol168.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 20:33:53 -!- pjb [~t@90.24.241.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:35:10 -!- ehu [~Erik@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:35:10 -!- ehu` [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:35:27 ehu [~Erik@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:36:20 ehu` [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:36:39 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-147-064-069.mycingular.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:37:35 k3VB6u4d [k3VB6u4d@gateway/shell/ircrelay.com/x-htpykdxlddfjrdts] has joined #lisp 20:39:27 statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-231-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 20:39:48 ejbs [~user@5.254.141.29] has joined #lisp 20:40:28 clog [~nef@bespin.org] has joined #lisp 20:44:37 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.97.120] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:48:00 -!- ehu` [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:48:05 -!- fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317871.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:48:19 ehu` [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:49:41 -!- ehu [~Erik@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:50:38 ehu [~Erik@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:52:11 -!- fds_ is now known as fds 20:53:23 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #lisp 20:55:35 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:58:18 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:58:22 -!- ehu` [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:58:22 -!- ehu [~Erik@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:59:20 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 21:00:43 -!- k3VB6u4d is now known as goodmanio 21:00:46 ehu` [~Erik@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 21:02:20 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02:32 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 21:04:46 przl [~przlrkt@p4FE64D19.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 21:05:41 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:07:57 -!- ehu` [~Erik@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:08:59 -!- ahungry_ [~null@66.184.106.97] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:09:05 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 21:09:53 -!- setmeaway2 [oosool3@119.201.52.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:10:00 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:11:58 fe[nl]ix: pong 21:13:33 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:16:43 bashyal [~bashyal@ec2-54-245-100-167.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 21:18:02 -!- fitzsim [~user@nat/cisco/x-gatiaonknqjnejaw] has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 21:18:55 k0001 [~k0001@host229.190-224-67.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 21:19:32 segv-: do you mind if I move fiveam back to my account and delete the cl-fiveam organization ? 21:19:49 -!- BitPuffin_ is now known as BitPuffin 21:20:27 fe[nl]ix: nope 21:20:37 in fact, that's a great idea. 21:20:48 perfect 21:20:49 zyg [d572a7c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.114.167.193] has joined #lisp 21:20:51 ah, the things i'd do with a 36 hour day :( 21:21:07 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:22:25 hi! what sbcl stream would write to emacs-slime *slime-repl sbcl* ? 21:23:03 zyg: if you have the global-redirect-io flag, then just about any of them, if you don't then i think none of them. 21:23:30 -!- clog [~nef@bespin.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:23:46 try putting (setf swank::*globally-redirect-io* t) in you ~/.swank.lisp and reconnecting 21:23:57 (at least, this is how things used to work, take this with a grain of salt) 21:24:00 -!- ndrei [~avo@mtl93-2-82-66-118-59.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:24:51 slime-repl: swank::*globally-redirect-io* => NIL 21:25:02 fe[nl]ix: http://paste.lisp.org/display/138204 basically that restores what expected "Runing test foobar ..... " 21:25:25 fe[nl]ix: I don't know much about how are handled these streams :( 21:25:42 zpg: right, it's a flag which only has effect when connecting, so it needs to be set before you slime-connect (which is why you'd put it in ~/.swank.lisp) 21:26:22 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:26:33 segv: I see.. out of curiosity where is my output going now? buffering up infinitely in emacs? 21:26:58 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 21:27:28 -!- bashyal [~bashyal@ec2-54-245-100-167.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Quit: bashyal] 21:27:32 zyg: do you have an *inferior-lisp* buffer? 21:27:42 or are you starting up the lisp in a shell somewhere? 21:28:02 (your output is going to lisp's stdout / stderr / etc. where that is depends on how the lisp was started) 21:28:29 Bike [~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:29:04 -!- maxter [~maxter@gaffeless.chaperon.volia.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:30:13 segv: I have a cycle-buffer command that hides all buffers except editor and repl, but after using your suggestion about swank.lisp it works. 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I'm just beginning 22:34:00 fmu^ [~^fmu@unaffiliated/fmu] has joined #lisp 22:34:00 zfx [~zfx@176.34.198.128] has joined #lisp 22:34:07 tkd_ [~tomek@tlahuizcalpantecuhtli.wa.ht] has joined #lisp 22:34:17 <|3b|> arnsa: compile-file probably isn't what you want 22:34:30 -!- felipe [~felipe@unaffiliated/felipe] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:34:30 -!- b2coutts [stein@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:34:30 -!- fmu [~^fmu@unaffiliated/fmu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:34:30 -!- zz_runningskull [~runningsk@li77-167.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:34:31 -!- zfx- [~zfx@ec2-176-34-198-128.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:34:31 -!- Guest878` [~user@124x33x192x194.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:34:31 -!- tkd [~tomek@tlahuizcalpantecuhtli.wa.ht] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:34:31 -!- dotemacs1 [uid801@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tjvhrthsovwaltfo] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:34:31 -!- danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:34:31 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:34:32 -!- gemelen [~gemelen@gemelen.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:34:32 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:34:32 -!- johanbev [~johanbev@30.84-48-216.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:34:32 -!- MrRacoon [suthere@reaver.cat.pdx.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:34:32 -!- SHODAN [~shozan@fsf/member/shodan] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:34:32 -!- cnl [~pony@bitdiddle.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:34:33 cnl [~pony@bitdiddle.net] has joined #lisp 22:34:34 -!- danlentz_ is now known as danlentz 22:34:34 -!- fmu^ is now known as fmu 22:34:34 gemelen [~gemelen@gemelen.net] has joined #lisp 22:34:35 arnsa: have a look at http://cliki.net/Getting+Started 22:35:31 arnsa: if you're just beginning, you can put aside generation of binaries. COncentrate on learning the language and lisp systems. Deploying applications will come later, when you have an application to deploy. 22:36:01 -!- gemelen [~gemelen@gemelen.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:36:01 -!- cnl [~pony@bitdiddle.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:36:17 |3b|: why so? 22:36:17 pjb: oh, I'm using sbcl. I know now! 22:36:19 -!- b2coutts_ is now known as b2coutts 22:36:30 pjb: ah, okay. Btw, stupid question, but how do you really quit sbcl? 22:36:30 I can't find any way 22:36:48 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:37:16 (sb-ext:quit) 22:37:21 or (sb-ext:exit) 22:37:23 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:37:37 But there is never a good reason to quit lisp. 22:37:57 Lisp, c'est pour la vie! 22:38:29 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@93-165-20-11-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:38:29 pjb: okay, if it's not a good idea to quit lisp, if you make some changes to the source code, how do you "load" them without quitting lisp? 22:38:53 (load "source.lisp") 22:39:05 Or (load (compile-file "source.lisp")) to load the compiled file. 22:39:12 ah, cool 22:39:23 <|3b|> or use an editor that can send the changes directly 22:39:24 gemelen [~gemelen@gemelen.net] has joined #lisp 22:39:35 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:39:47 |3b|: I'm using vim, I bet it can do such a thing with some additional plugins, but I'm okay with tmux or 2 terminals :P 22:39:53 -!- statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-231-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:40:15 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 22:40:18 arnsa: you may try slimv 22:40:26 <|3b|> emacs + slime is one of the nicer options, but i think there are some similar things for vim 22:40:30 It's a vim plugin to develop with CL. 22:40:41 slimv is the slime of vim. 22:42:00 -!- victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has quit [Quit: Leaving IRC - dircproxy 1.2.0] 22:42:14 That said, I couldn't help with slimv and vim. 90% of lispers use emacs and slime. 22:42:16 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 22:42:52 pjb: except for Paul Graham :P 22:42:55 He's using vi 22:43:08 <|3b|> he also isn't a lisper (by #lisp definition) 22:43:32 |3b|: how so? 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