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I prefer #:syntax. =P 13:17:11 i think it's useful not to think that making the reader feel happy not to waste work is important 13:17:21 Joreji [~thomas@152-013.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 13:18:04 "regular" (non-keyword) symbols are allowed, too, so using keywords as the "special" ones also avoids clashes ^^ 13:18:27 Anyway, comparing by names allows to use keywords and normal symbols, so it's more flexible. 13:19:19 hi. i'm having CCL::STACK-OVERFLOW-CONDITION. how can i increase stack size? 13:19:51 granata_: are you sure you shouldn't try to reduce the amount of stack your program uses? 13:20:11 granata_: you can't. It's architecture dependent. 13:21:26 the program isn't very big. with a very small set it works fine. and with slightly bigger one it doesn't. 13:21:29 http://ccl.clozure.com/manual/chapter7.3.html has some info. 13:22:26 granata_: you can use iterations instead of recursion to reduce stack usage. Try that. 13:22:57 or http://clozure.com/pipermail/openmcl-devel/2012-July/013668.html 13:23:28 fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:24:12 granata_: but if you need to increase the stack size for a slightly bigger input, what happens when you process something just bit larger again? 13:24:39 bitonic [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:24:42 "with a very small set it works fine. and with slightly bigger one it doesn't" <-- i smell exponential space complexity 13:25:06 -!- Joreji [~thomas@152-013.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:25:28 granata_: what about some code pastes? 13:26:23 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:26:23 it's not my code. i'm playing with http://norvig.com/paip/simple.lisp 13:26:41 doomlord [~doomlod@host86-180-26-144.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 13:27:30 and when i'm executing '(length (generate-all 'sentence))' with *simple-grammar" it works. and with *bigger-grammar* it overflows stack. 13:28:27 granata_: bigger-grammar describes an unbounded set of phrases. 13:28:59 pkhuong, i see now. tnx 13:29:55 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wsip-98-175-98-176.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 13:30:42 drmeister [~drmeister@wsip-98-175-98-176.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 13:32:02 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:33:25 Is it problem with stumpwm that windows titles that contain unicode display like ???? or with my xorg configuration? In awesome everything looks pretty ok but in stumpwm it just doesn't work. 13:33:57 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:37:15 -!- oudeis_ [~oudeis@bzq-218-0-98.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:37:33 could anyone explain me how to make M-. working correctly? I have sbcl 1.1.7 binary distribution installed and use quicklisp slime helper 13:38:30 Joreji [~thomas@152-013.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 13:38:41 Blkt: http://xach.livejournal.com/300290.html. 13:39:08 thanks 13:39:44 asobrasil [~andre_oli@64.119.216.178] has joined #lisp 13:39:52 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 13:40:58 My finest work 13:41:16 lol 13:44:45 I don't suppose there's a way to access the source of a function at execute time, right? (I'm trying to figure out if there's a way to scan functions for errors they can throw to automatically build documentation about it) 13:48:17 bitonic` [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:48:52 -!- bitonic [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:51:43 segv- [~mb@95-91-243-227-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 13:51:59 Shinmera: function-lambda-expression may or may not work. But even then, you have to handle macros and callees. 13:52:27 pkhuong: was just about to say the same :) 13:52:36 ech 13:52:57 Shinmera: your approach to 'documentation' seems to be questionable, though. 13:53:12 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.134.139] has joined #lisp 13:53:41 spacefrogg: I like to know what types of errors a function can raise. Although I suppose that's just me still being used to programming in Java... 13:54:05 Plus it was an interesting mind game, so I thought I'd ask. 13:54:14 Probably not worth the haslle though 13:54:18 *hassle 13:55:34 Shinmera: sure. but for documentation: you can't extract information from a piece of code that is not already there. you could automatically document what errors are thrown but usually not under what (semantical) circumstances. 13:55:58 Well yes 13:56:21 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has quit [Quit: Must not waste too much time here...] 13:56:23 my idea was just to add a little annotation to each function in the documentation list of what errors can be thrown so you might catch them / initiate a restart 13:56:50 simply offering the error name as "information" of course. 13:57:09 for sensible error handling you need to know in what 'state of mind' your program is when you catch the error 13:57:45 this you want to know as the reader of your documentation 13:58:41 Sure, but I'd think it's better to at least have a list of errors rather than nothing. The documentation string of the function would have to explain further what errors can happen when 13:58:52 and with what context 13:59:46 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d8691fe.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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Ugh. Thanks for letting me know. 15:11:02 Cool 15:11:04 Thanks 15:13:52 Somehow I have arranged it so that it depends on itself and recurses infinitely. 15:13:57 I will investigate. 15:14:03 CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@138.23.57.82] has joined #lisp 15:14:38 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:15:01 -!- bitonic` [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:15:26 bitonic` [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:15:37 Do you set this stuff up manually? I thought it was all automatic by processing the ASD files? 15:16:17 thehandler [~this@41.89.164.16] has joined #lisp 15:16:20 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:16:54 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:16:59 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:17:14 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.134.139] has joined #lisp 15:17:58 Kruppe [~user@j2petkovich.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 15:18:36 That's right. 15:18:45 I have automatically screwed it up somehow. 15:18:56 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@166.137.104.170] has joined #lisp 15:19:38 :-) 15:20:42 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wsip-98-175-98-176.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:21:02 AeroNotix [~xeno@aboa81.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 15:21:55 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:22:24 -!- adnap [~adnap@cpe-70-112-164-154.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:22:25 bobbysmith007 [~russ@firewall-dcd1.acceleration.net] has joined #lisp 15:22:42 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:22:59 hitecnologys: What is the stuff at the bottom of cl-hctsmsl for? 15:23:48 Why does it have :defsystem-depends-on instead of :depends-on? 15:24:52 adnap [~adnap@cpe-70-112-164-154.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:28:42 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@152-013.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 15:28:53 Joreji [~thomas@152-013.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 15:29:34 -!- housel [~user@mccarthy.opendylan.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:30:32 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.69.159] has joined #lisp 15:30:32 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.69.159] has quit [Changing host] 15:30:32 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 15:31:50 housel [~user@mccarthy.opendylan.org] has joined #lisp 15:32:13 -!- bitonic` [~user@77-56-49-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:36:07 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:38:00 -!- drmeiste_ is now known as drmeister 15:38:45 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:41:17 BZaidan [~GreenLant@41.254.1.39.Huawei-TIP.WiMAX.dynamic.ltt.ly] has joined #lisp 15:42:02 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:42:52 -!- mvilleneuve_ [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:43:55 francogrex [~user@109.128.82.127] has joined #lisp 15:44:16 hi, has someone used this before and enjoyed himself? https://github.com/deepfire/common-db 15:45:04 Xach: idk, is there any difference between them? 15:47:21 When I last used :depends-on it didn't run properly so I thought it doesn't work as it should. Changed :defsystem-depends-on to :depends-on. 15:47:46 smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has joined #lisp 15:48:56 -!- smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has quit [Client Quit] 15:51:14 smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has joined #lisp 15:51:17 Corvidium [~cosman246@D-128-95-32-56.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 15:51:23 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 15:53:35 nilsi [~nilsi@2.68.125.198.mobile.tre.se] has joined #lisp 15:55:36 francogrex: what is this and why it doesn't have a README? 15:56:16 -!- Joreji [~thomas@152-013.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:56:38 Joreji [~thomas@152-013.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 15:58:03 Denommus: It's supposed to be a super debugger; no readme, i don't know why. 15:59:31 pnpuff- [~v_@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 16:03:11 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-36-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:05:30 -!- pnpuff- [~v_@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 16:05:31 -!- doomlord [~doomlod@host86-180-26-144.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:05:44 doc: https://github.com/deepfire/common-db/blob/master/doc/documentation.org 16:06:01 -!- ndrei [~avo@mtl93-2-82-66-118-59.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:06:03 doomlord [~doomlod@host86-180-26-144.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 16:08:44 zbigniew [~zb@3e8.org] has joined #lisp 16:08:58 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-249-113.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:09:11 koszi a segitseget Dani! irok majd ha sikerult valamit beszereznem... 16:09:58 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 16:10:23 which language is that ? 16:10:35 Hungarian probably 16:12:20 joe9 [~user@ip70-179-153-227.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:14:08 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 16:14:48 ndrei [~avo@mtl93-2-82-66-118-59.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 16:15:47 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-218-0-98.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:16:19 attila_lendvai: you seem excited about this project 16:16:46 heh, wrong window, sorry guys! :) 16:17:17 not really, just tried to help by throwing in the doc link. sounds interesting in its own context, but I don't know much about that context 16:18:03 it's old but yet undiscovered$ 16:18:10 $ was a typo 16:19:29 Xach: changes are commited and pushed now. 16:19:34 zacharias_ [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 16:19:40 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:21:41 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.21.22] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:22:35 -!- zajn [~zajn@c-50-161-171-227.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: zajn] 16:22:37 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.56.204] has joined #lisp 16:25:34 jangle [~jimmy1984@198.151.8.4] has joined #lisp 16:27:57 davazp [~user@204.Red-79-153-96.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 16:28:17 -!- jangle [~jimmy1984@198.151.8.4] has quit [Client Quit] 16:28:29 boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:28:59 don't you hate it when someone makes all his packages depend on all his packages? 16:29:36 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.104.170] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:29:59 francogrex: Which package is that? 16:30:41 Xach: quicklisp exceeds stack when I try to load cl-hctsmsl. It loads the same code if I put it in the local-projects without any troubles, what can be wrong? 16:30:55 common-db 16:31:18 don't you hate when people still care about dependencies? 16:32:40 jangle [~jimmy1984@198.151.8.4] has joined #lisp 16:32:54 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:33:21 dependencies... (read: code reuse) 16:33:29 -!- jangle [~jimmy1984@198.151.8.4] has quit [Client Quit] 16:36:25 carlo5m [~carlo5m@209.49.100.67] has joined #lisp 16:39:44 the real problem is large libraries and projects importing them to use only a minmal subset of it. 16:40:52 what problem is that? 16:41:09 -!- ehu [~ehu@109.32.113.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:41:17 well for one they could probably use a lot more functionality of the library and are just oblivious to it 16:41:45 and for the other it just feels bloaty if instead a small library could be used that has less "overhead" 16:42:15 but eh, in the end it hardly matters today 16:42:47 -!- zacharias_ is now known as zacharias 16:45:47 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-196-60-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 16:46:38 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@aboa81.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 16:47:35 Shinmera: ...which is why I feel that this quicklib thing is a solution in search of a problem 16:48:29 and in the end you give up because it's all buggy 16:49:28 loke: yes, but not everything is in quicklisp, especially odds and obscure bits and pieces you find on GIT 16:50:26 francogrex: Um, OK? But how does quicklib solve that? 16:50:44 looks like someone is just unhappy 16:50:52 -!- thehandler [~this@41.89.164.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:50:54 Just like quicklisp, quicklib must know about libraries? 16:52:38 I don't know. what's quicklib? 16:52:40 Harag [~Thunderbi@41-132-83-33.dsl.mweb.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:53:20 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.135.192] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:53:42 krishnak [~krishnak@204.28.120.61] has joined #lisp 16:54:03 I want to code in machine code 0s and 1s; reinvent the wheel 16:54:23 vops 16:54:56 You sure? http://www.pdp8.net/pdp8i/pics/pdp8i_frontpanel.shtml?large 16:55:36 zero and ones is too high level, better program by directing electrons 16:55:39 quesebifurcan [~fredrik@xdsl-87-79-230-141.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:55:51 M-x butterfly 16:56:39 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-18bc97c4.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:56:55 p_l: or is it :!butterfly 16:57:25 BZaidan: Can even be Butterfly Edit 16:58:03 though I'll say that without some external tool, :!butterfly is crossing the line thrice in terms of masochism 16:58:57 -!- quesebifurcan [~fredrik@xdsl-87-79-230-141.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:59:48 p_l: i see.. 17:00:18 nug700 [~nug700@174-26-156-127.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:00:34 joast [~rick@76.178.135.192] has joined #lisp 17:02:19 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 17:02:53 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:03:36 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 17:04:00 the good old days 17:04:35 francogrex: the good old days of Fortran and Lisp. :/ 17:06:19 Aramur [~Aramur@200.Red-83-61-34.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 17:07:39 oudeis [~oudeis@62-90-110-122.barak.net.il] has joined #lisp 17:12:49 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:13:45 joneshf-work [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #lisp 17:16:10 -!- BZaidan [~GreenLant@41.254.1.39.Huawei-TIP.WiMAX.dynamic.ltt.ly] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 17:16:23 -!- nugnuts [~nugnuts@pool-173-63-24-234.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:17:11 nug700_ [~nug700@209-181-103-240.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:17:33 ... my early computing books had examples in FORTRAN 77 at best ^^; 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The place in files where things are is irrelevant to their dependency. 18:27:07 Ralt [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 18:27:42 It's a little kludge to describe dependencies between "components" in terms of files, in a way, but after all, asdf purpose is to load and compile files. 18:28:20 Weird. Then I have no ideas why quicklisp behaves incorrectly. 18:28:29 (load "makemake") (eval (makemake:generate-asdf-system")) (ql:quickload :my-system) 18:28:40 s/"))/))/ 18:29:58 petrounias_ [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-63-12.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 18:30:20 What is makemake? 18:31:27 -!- petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-3-41.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:31:29 -!- petrounias_ is now known as petrounias 18:31:33 -!- Ralt [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:32:44 makemake is a program that makes makefiles. 18:33:03 Something like: http://gitorious.org/com-informatimago/com-informatimago/blobs/master/tools/make-depends.lisp 18:34:06 check from line 1258 18:34:23 -!- Joreji [~thomas@152-013.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:34:37 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-196-60-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [] 18:34:46 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-196-60-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 18:35:17 josemanuel [~josemanue@39.217.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 18:35:18 Joreji [~thomas@152-013.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 18:35:53 carlo5m [~carlo5m@209.49.100.67] has joined #lisp 18:35:57 bitonic` [~user@94-201.77-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 18:36:37 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@39.217.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Client Quit] 18:37:16 Looks pretty nice. 18:42:09 -!- bitonic` [~user@94-201.77-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:42:54 bitonic` [~user@94-201.77-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 18:44:21 -!- carlo5m [~carlo5m@209.49.100.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:44:31 Are there any way to make asdf read version from file? I always forget to bump version, I have to deal with it somehow. 18:45:32 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:48:01 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:48:48 statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-016-220.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 18:49:06 Damn. 18:49:11 s/Are there/Is there/ 18:49:12 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-249-113.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:49:24 -!- Joreji [~thomas@152-013.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:49:27 I should sleep more. 18:49:40 hitecnologys: yes there is 18:49:52 pnpuff- [~v_@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:50:08 fe[nl]ix: how can I do this without #.? 18:50:10 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-159-189.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:50:10 I asked Faré for that feature :) 18:50:51 hitecnologys: see https://github.com/sionescu/iolib/blob/master/iolib.asd 18:51:17 Nice. Thanks a lot. 18:55:40 Joreji [~thomas@152-013.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 18:55:57 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-38.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:56:07 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:56:30 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:57:10 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:57:29 If Quicklisp has an older verison of a library, what's the best approach to incorporate the latest version into Quiclisp, if only locally? 18:58:51 ffilozov: cd .quicklisp/local-projects; git clone stuff; # I use this one 19:00:06 -!- pnpuff- [~v_@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 19:00:45 hitecnologys: Thanks. I'll give it a try. 19:01:06 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d8691fe.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 19:01:22 Oh, it's in the FAQ. :) 19:04:23 carlo5m [~carlo5m@209.49.100.67] has joined #lisp 19:07:18 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@2.68.125.198.mobile.tre.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:08:11 daat418 [~daat_un@chammerling-mini.xinet.COM] has joined #lisp 19:08:50 -!- loke [~user@119.234.0.59] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:14:29 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:15:01 -!- ffilozov [~user@84.77.187.252] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:15:27 Ralt [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 19:15:32 hi 19:15:43 I recently posted my lib on reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/lisp/comments/1iatcd/fswatcher_watches_filesystem_changes/ 19:15:49 commented by Xach 19:15:55 -!- Aramur [~Aramur@200.Red-83-61-34.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Aramur] 19:15:55 and rewrote it according to said advices 19:16:14 it's some short code; less than 50 lines. Anyone care to review it? https://github.com/Ralt/fs-watcher 19:19:20 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:20:12 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.104.170] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:21:06 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-99-241.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:21:59 nbouscal [~nbouscal@c-67-168-113-48.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:22:11 Ralt: as much as I like portable conforming code, I think you should provide also an implementation that uses inotify. 19:22:21 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-176-104.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 19:22:21 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 19:22:23 pjb: I'm working on it 19:22:32 Then, good. 19:22:42 and I'm writing a mail for comp.lang.lisp, because I don't know how to check if a C library exists. 19:22:45 -!- daat418 [~daat_un@chammerling-mini.xinet.COM] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:23:03 -!- agumonke1 [~agu@179.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:23:29 How do you do it in C? 19:23:37 You just call dlopen and check if it fails. 19:24:01 oh, didn't know dlopen 19:24:03 thanks 19:24:19 Well, it's wrapped over by cffi, but in the end, that's what's called. 19:24:24 fridim__ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317871.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 19:24:28 So google for cffi manual 19:24:49 (and check iolib, perhaps they've also done something about inotify). 19:24:57 I did http://common-lisp.net/project/cffi/manual/cffi-manual.html 19:24:59 arrgh, where's stassats ? 19:25:05 pjb: not yet 19:25:28 pjb: ah, nice. Thanks. 19:25:36 -!- Joreji [~thomas@152-013.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:25:57 Ralt: well fe[nl]ix says not yet for iolib ;-) 19:25:58 agumonkey [~agu@179.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 19:26:10 bitonic`` [~user@2a02:1205:34dc:95e0:8e70:5aff:fe81:dd50] has joined #lisp 19:26:25 Joreji [~thomas@152-013.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 19:26:28 ah, didn't see he answered you. And I didn't see he was the author until a few seconds ago :D 19:26:36 Ralt: how's Grenoble in summer ? 19:26:43 fe[nl]ix: hot. Very. 19:26:58 Isn't it a little fresher than Paris? 19:27:00 -!- bitonic` [~user@94-201.77-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:27:06 the city's surrounded by mountains, and there's no freshness coming down. 19:27:18 pjb: not in summer 19:27:22 I heard they had 14C in Teruel yesterday. 19:27:25 youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 19:27:32 in winter however... well, it's surrounded by mountains. 19:27:58 Ah, as a minimum. Still 30C in the hotest part of the day :-) 19:29:48 hm 19:30:11 how can I check if dlopen exists? Is there some #+linux? 19:30:12 nilsi [~nilsi@2.68.125.198.mobile.tre.se] has joined #lisp 19:30:18 it's hard to google these words 19:30:35 -!- seangrov` [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 263 seconds] 19:30:41 if I google "features", I don't really get what I want. 19:30:56 Ralt: it might be a little clearer to use walk-directory to build a list of pathnames 19:31:14 fortitude: true. Let me try that. 19:31:40 (handler-case (cffi:define-foreign-library libc '((:unix "libc.so"))) (error () 'no-libc)) 19:31:45 also (map nil ...) -> (mapc ...), but that's sort of a stylistic thing 19:32:31 fortitude: took this from xach's example. Not sure what to use when I simply want a "foreach" 19:32:48 -!- bitonic`` [~user@2a02:1205:34dc:95e0:8e70:5aff:fe81:dd50] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:33:08 But otherwise, yes, #+linux may help. Depends on the implementation however. And inotify may be provided on other systems too! Same thing as configure/autoconf, etc. You want to try it and see what works or not. 19:33:22 pjb: I could use this for inotify.so right away 19:33:25 Use #+ only if it would be impossible to read the form without it. 19:33:44 I see 19:33:56 You would write: (cffi:define-foreign-library libc '((:unix "libinotify.so" "libc.so"))) 19:34:12 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.104.170] has joined #lisp 19:34:17 Ralt: unless I missed something, (map nil ...) and (mapc ...) are equivalent except for the return value 19:35:03 I mean: (cffi:define-foreign-library libc (:unix (:or "libinotify.so" "libc.so")) (t (:default "libnotify"))) 19:35:09 pjb: why not simply: (cffi:define-foreign-library libinotify '((:unix "libinotify.so"))) 19:35:23 Because man inotify says that it's in libc. 19:35:30 duh :D 19:35:33 fortitude: map nil works for all sequences 19:35:44 right 19:35:46 forgot about that 19:35:49 "Inotify was merged into the 2.6.13 Linux kernel. The required library interfaces were added to glibc in version 2.4." 19:35:52 userspace/kernelspace ? 19:36:07 bitonic`` [~user@94-201.77-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 19:36:16 So indeed, you may try both places. 19:40:32 fortitude: walk-directory is much better 19:41:43 I find this quite ugly: https://github.com/Ralt/fs-watcher/blob/master/src/fs-watcher.lisp#L20-L21 19:41:47 isn't there a better way? 19:43:46 not unless you make a closure around that list, which is even uglier 19:44:01 yeah... 19:44:04 also, it seems a little suspect to me to be pushing to the list your iterating over 19:44:09 pkkm [~pawel@ajs32.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 19:44:10 *you're 19:44:54 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 19:44:56 why? I'm only pushing children 19:45:02 not the items I'm iterating over 19:45:29 DalekBaldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 19:45:42 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 19:46:05 Ralt: mostly because I had to think about it to be sure it was correct 19:46:35 ah, because I used the same name 19:46:38 indeed 19:46:54 With some macrology you can write (collecting  (collect pathname) ) --> pathnames and not care how it's done. 19:48:09 walk-directory also does call the function on the parameter its passed 19:53:33 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@ipdsw03.informatik.fh-schmalkalden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:55:41 iLogical_ [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 19:55:49 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:56:28 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:59:00 pjb: not a bad idea. 20:01:45 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22:02:38 -!- milosn [~milosn@user-5af5022d.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:02:44 jangle [~jimmy1984@198.151.8.4] has joined #lisp 22:03:38 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:04:35 greetings all. I wrote a small funciton to send a special command out a tcp stream. what I can't figure out is how to read back data on the stream. in http://paste.lisp.org/+2YLJ there is a commented out read function, and with this code, the process goes out to lunch. I can't figure out a cleaner way to break this connection than restarting the whole lisp process, so the debugging cycle on this issue for me is tediously large. what can I read about to ga 22:04:36 more understanding? 22:04:58 -!- statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-016-220.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:06:00 I essentially want to send this string out, and then I want to read back the response. I don't think I need much in the way of error handling because the response data is of fixed size and type. I just don't know what I'm doing 22:06:53 jangle: what size and type is the data coming back? 22:07:08 jangle: one option is to make an octet vector of that size and use read-sequence on the stream with it 22:07:34 don't forget to flush. 22:08:44 I've never been able to figure out the answer to questions about type 22:08:58 but, I'm expecting an octet stream? 22:09:24 the size is uh, i'd have to look it up, assume its 26 bytes 22:09:44 ahh flush, yes, I guess the data is pretty small and I"m not expecting any more 22:11:13 -!- Joreji [~thomas@152-013.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:11:40 Joreji [~thomas@152-013.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 22:12:25 does it look like i need to use read sequence, wherein i'd specify the type? 22:15:56 smazga` [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has joined #lisp 22:16:30 -!- smazga` [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has quit [Client Quit] 22:18:30 -!- Joreji [~thomas@152-013.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:22:05 jangle: (make-array 26 :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)) will get you a vector of 26 8-bit bytes into which you can read stuff 22:22:17 I use that kind of thing a lot for network interaction 22:22:35 Or you could loop and use read-byte 22:22:44 read-sequence has the potential to be faster 22:23:30 xach: I guess I forgot that I wrapped the call that makes the octet-stream to be written, and now I have to make one to get the data back into my program..... 22:24:11 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 22:24:33 Joreji [~thomas@152-013.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 22:24:57 thanks 22:30:41 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-243-227-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:31:19 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:33:25 -!- AeroNoti1 [~xeno@aboc90.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:36:38 -!- pkkm [~pawel@ajs32.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:39:14 turbopape [~turbopape@197.2.124.61] has joined #lisp 22:39:55 -!- Joreji [~thomas@152-013.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:40:02 Joreji [~thomas@152-013.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 22:43:17 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl18-71-14.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 22:45:47 so is there a better response for what seems to be "blocking on input that never comes back" than restarting the lisp instance? Is there a way to abort execution? 22:47:35 ^C (C-c C-c in emacs). 22:47:55 thanks again, I'll try to keep that in mind 22:50:21 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:51:47 MusangKing [~CatMtKing@ed-uluka.dyn.ucr.edu] has joined #lisp 22:52:18 -!- bjorkintosh [~bjork@ip68-13-229-200.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:53:26 lduros` [~user@pool-108-52-158-77.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:54:10 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 22:54:28 edgar-rfx [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 22:54:38 adnap_ [~adnap@cpe-70-112-164-154.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:55:34 -!- edgar-rfx is now known as edgar-rftx 22:56:06 Patzy_ [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 22:56:09 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:56:49 pchrist_ 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23:15:14 http://paste.lisp.org/display/138153 23:15:45 needs more newlines 23:16:05 ok 23:16:30 -!- jsn` [~user@c-50-156-35-98.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:06 http://paste.lisp.org/+2YLM 23:19:23 -!- dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:19:26 -!- jd__ [~jd@prometheus.naquadah.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:19:34 -!- Watcher7 [~w@silly.tabby.cat] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:20:09 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:20:12 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: all hope lost] 23:20:56 -!- tkd [~tomek@tlahuizcalpantecuhtli.wa.ht] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:21:47 -!- acieroid [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:25:25 jd__ [~jd@91.121.37.122] has joined #lisp 23:25:27 dim [~dim@91.121.37.122] has joined #lisp 23:25:36 Watcher7 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[Remote host closed the connection] 23:32:10 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:33:34 -!- Joreji [~thomas@152-013.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34:24 -!- turbopape [~turbopape@197.2.124.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:35:05 Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #lisp 23:37:33 jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has joined #lisp 23:40:22 I can see my query go out and the request come back 23:40:37 but I can' figure out how to read it. its small enough that I may have to flush the buffer but 23:42:25 -!- ngz [~user@91.224.148.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:43:55 jangle: read-sequence will read from a socket. are you using it? 23:44:02 yes 23:44:20 i hav the code commented out in the paste, but yes 23:44:25 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 23:44:47 you should create the buffer and bind it to a variable 23:44:53 then use that variable in the call to read-sequence 23:44:58 ok 23:45:01 then extract data from the buffer via that variable. 23:45:37 read-sequence returns the position at which reading ended, not the sequence itself 23:48:03 namtsui [~user@c-98-207-129-116.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:48:33 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.104.170] has joined #lisp 23:49:02 it can be helpful to check that value to make sure you read as much as you expected to read 23:49:28 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.104.170] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:49:57 drmeister [~drmeister@12.205.226.130] has joined #lisp 23:50:36 oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-109-65-187-45.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 23:50:58 turbopape [~turbopape@41.226.67.111] has joined #lisp 23:51:14 -!- carlo5m [~carlo5m@209.49.100.67] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:52:52 -!- Wukix [~user@173-228-55-74.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:53:22 -!- agumonkey [~agu@179.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:53:56 i guess they do this to force the user to make sure they've read everything they wanted 23:55:31 thanks for the help 23:57:20 http://paste.lisp.org/+2YLO this is what I have now, and now I actually hit the timeout i'd set, thinking that the lack of a timeout was causing my hang 23:58:21 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp