00:00:32 test 00:04:11 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-222-56-50.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:04:50 pierre1 [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has joined #lisp 00:06:02 Bike [~Glossina@174-25-33-100.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 00:06:52 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:09:09 -!- bitonic [~user@ppp-93-137.27-151.libero.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:10:46 nbouscal [~nbouscal@c-67-168-113-48.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:13:50 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:15:31 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:18:37 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-67-82.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 00:18:56 -!- agumonkey [~agu@156.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:18:57 So how do I format docs so it will show up on Quickdocs? 00:22:48 hmmm ... i am doing a hunchentoot tutorial and in the package it has :use :cl. quicklisp cannot find a package. why are packages requiring :cl, i would just assume the default common lisp library is available in the cl implementation they are using? 00:23:04 -!- echo-area [~user@123.120.255.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:23:18 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-122-24-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 00:23:18 <|3b|> package are just namespaces 00:23:30 <|3b|> :use imports symbols from one package into another 00:23:35 If you have an empty (:use ) statement, then it will not :use cl 00:23:56 if you omit the (:use ..) statement then it will :use cl by default 00:23:57 <|3b|> if you don't :use :cl, you will have to prefix CL symbols with cl: 00:24:20 oh! 00:24:24 if you have a :use statement at all, then I think you have to include cl in the :use list 00:24:28 <|3b|> so (cl:defun foo (cl:&optional bar) (cl:+ bar 1)) 00:24:51 <|3b|> you don't have to :use :cl, it is just very annoying not to :) 00:25:07 which would get VERY annoying indeed 00:25:12 got it, thank you 00:25:25 drmeister [~drmeister@70.68.140.75] has joined #lisp 00:26:04 vibs29 [~zorro@128.86.182.230] has joined #lisp 00:27:03 -!- vibs29 [~zorro@128.86.182.230] has left #lisp 00:28:00 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:29:33 <|3b|> not importing symbols from CL can be useful though, for example packages that you don't work in directly, or for DSLs where you might want DSL:DEFUN instead of CL:DEFUN, or no DEFUN at all 00:30:16 -!- EvW [~Thunderbi@a82-92-190-215.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:31:21 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:31:58 -!- pierre1 [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32:19 EvW [~Thunderbi@a82-92-190-215.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 00:35:03 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:35:50 but if you just want to override one or a handful of symbols from cl, you don't have to not use cl. Just use :shadow. 00:36:09 aha, i had no idea 00:36:58 danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:37:32 but of course one would be advised to use that power carefully. 00:38:26 if you make up some frankenstein not-quite-cl that could get mighty confusing for folks. Just know what you are doing before you start shadowing cl symbols. 00:39:12 I was just surprised that can be done. My programming-fu will probably never level up to where I will use that properly. 00:39:23 that looks like it could get messy to debug 00:39:36 well, difficult 00:40:55 -!- pierpa`` [~user@host82-222-dynamic.52-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:41:26 -!- Thra11 [~Thra11@87.113.175.245] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:48:37 -!- nbouscal [~nbouscal@c-67-168-113-48.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:51:03 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:53:59 Funny you should be discussing that -- i just watched a clojure video where rich hickey discusses the issue 00:55:10 i just cannot imagine trying to follow the value of an object when :shadow is overriding it 00:55:13 lol 00:55:16 basically his most important reqt w.r.t hygienics was to eliminate the possibility entirely 00:55:32 <|3b|> :shadow works on symbols, not objects 00:55:36 I actually use this a lot 00:55:38 sorry right 00:56:09 its very useful when you make specific pkgs that you don't "work" in 00:56:18 just where your functions live 00:56:52 like, maybe a pkg called "MAP" 00:57:18 <|3b|> yeah, i use at least 2 libraries that shadow ROTATE for the geometrical interpretation, both of which i use with package prefix 00:57:45 so you might want to define MAP:VECTOR, MAP:LIST, MAP:INTO, MAP:NIL and so on 00:58:14 <|3b|> and i've considered it for some binding libs just to keep the API closer to the C names (usually for things like open, close, read, write, etc) 00:58:42 but the MAP pkg is never intended yo be USEd directly in a pkg 00:59:16 <|3b|> at the other extreme is something like closer-mop, where it just builds a new package you should :use instead of :cl, so it can replace various bits and pieces 00:59:48 thats the point -- you can use short and mnemonic PKG:THING type name discipline and always use it with the fully qualified symbol name 01:01:19 sometimes, this channel feels like i am in a lecture 01:01:24 :) 01:01:33 a useful one 01:01:41 fwiw i have found this to be one of the most robust and hassle free approaches to naming/pkg dicipline 01:02:17 funny you mention that, i was strugling with that the other week. i got the exact same advice from someone else 01:03:00 well, you know.. my family won't listen to me talk about this stuff so one needs an outlet on occasion :) 01:03:16 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-122-24-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 01:03:43 plus its usually easy to remember and type 01:04:55 and since you never are "IN" then pkg it tends to stay very small, stable, and clear in its intent 01:06:45 -!- knob [~knob@adsl-64-237-232-189.prtc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:06:52 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-169-213.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:07:23 I like pascal's work but sometimes i grit my teeth to type indexed-layered-special-transactional-effective-slot-definition 01:07:37 or its many evil relatives 01:10:37 heh 01:13:02 bhyde [~bhyde@198.199.88.224] has joined #lisp 01:13:49 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@123.208.35.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:13:53 anybody happen to know how to convince cxml to ignore the prefix declaration of DTD? 01:15:48 Adlai` [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 01:16:31 I vaguely remember this being a faq 01:17:17 http://common-lisp.net/project/cxml/quickstart.html#id54163 and the next few help? 01:18:02 Xach: that looks exactly on topic 01:18:05 *bhyde* reads 01:18:22 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:18:38 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:19:13 -!- harish [~harish@cm32.zeta224.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:21:01 Xach: thanks! 01:21:18 *bhyde* wonders why he didn't google the error msg. 01:21:50 -!- AeroNoti1 [~xeno@abor177.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:22:18 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@c-24-143-118-11.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 01:23:22 stubborn pride? bacon impairment? 01:23:37 lol 01:23:55 Xach: how large was the ql library when you started the project? 01:24:10 i just noticed there are 700+ libraries now, kind of amazing 01:24:49 holycow: not sure, slightly too lazy to check at the moment. 400? 500? 01:26:02 376 01:26:06 just curious. cool. 01:26:12 oh wow 01:26:16 that is amazing 01:26:48 -!- Adlai` [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:27:44 Xach: i think you are up to 909 libraries if i got this right 01:27:48 ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:28:03 that is pretty badass 01:28:46 agumonkey [~agu@156.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 01:30:14 -!- homie [~homie@xdsl-78-35-169-213.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:30:54 ok, the blood test shows my bacon levels are fine, but there is some concern about the gin&tonic 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[~Thunderbi@105-236-128-37.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 05:50:56 killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has joined #lisp 05:51:43 -!- michaeljmcd [~michael@ip70-178-95-137.ks.ks.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:53:08 <|3b|> holycow: not anymore as far as i know (the version running on the cliki site at least) 05:56:23 -!- [1]JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-210-215.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:56:29 -!- namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:56:45 Would something like this be interesting to anyone? https://github.com/ahungry/glyphs 05:57:09 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 05:57:48 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-99-241.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:57:53 ahungry: i think i'd rather use optima 05:58:09 figures I probably should have googled for something similar first 05:58:57 oh okay 06:00:12 hahaha someone wrote a non-parody version of stassats' apl reader? 06:02:40 JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-210-215.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 06:06:19 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 06:17:15 tcleval [~funnyguy@177.42.161.205] has joined #lisp 06:17:43 hi, do you guys know of any erp solution on Lisp? 06:18:02 i am pretty certain there is no such thing at all 06:18:48 holycow: why that? any specific reason ? 06:19:04 -!- harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-jezqqpthygksjhla] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:19:12 no idea. i have not heard of a single piece of softwre in the category that is written in common lisp 06:21:28 -!- ehu [~Erik@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:21:59 probably because erp is EXTREMELY boring. do you really want to spend your life writing accounting, payroll and inventory management software? 06:22:41 holycow: no one can beyond SAP ? 06:23:50 -!- n1x [~n1x@unaffiliated/n1xnc0d3] has 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ZZZzzz] 07:58:23 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 08:07:16 -!- hajovonta [~user@173.248.133.249] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:09:59 ccorn [~ccorn@194.151.99.67] has joined #lisp 08:11:48 -!- n1x [~n1x@unaffiliated/n1xnc0d3] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:17:19 peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has joined #lisp 08:17:46 I mean make it mean nothing. For example how can I make ' be read as ', not as (quote something)? Is it possible or not? 08:20:59 Cymew [~user@fw01d.snowmen.se] has joined #lisp 08:27:19 fsvehla [~fsvehla@TK212017097035.teleweb.at] has joined #lisp 08:29:39 -!- stardiviner [~quassel@218.74.186.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:31:14 hitecnologys: something like this: http://paste.lisp.org/display/138056 ? 08:31:57 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:31:58 kiuma [~kiuma@78-134-126-200.v4.ngi.it] has joined #lisp 08:32:05 hitecnologys: use the annotated version, please 08:32:53 arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-glhayrfcyfbibeer] has joined #lisp 08:34:05 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 08:34:39 zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 08:34:53 srcerer [~chatzilla@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has joined #lisp 08:35:43 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 08:35:50 -!- srcerer_ [~chatzilla@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:36:53 -!- igotnolegs- [~igotnoleg@63-224-121-118.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:36:59 fsvehla_ [~fsvehla@046206044186.atmpu0018.highway.a1.net] has joined #lisp 08:37:02 -!- fsvehla [~fsvehla@TK212017097035.teleweb.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:37:02 -!- fsvehla_ is now known as fsvehla 08:37:35 n1x [~n1x@unaffiliated/n1xnc0d3] has joined #lisp 08:37:51 abeaumont [~abeaumont@135.Red-79-146-247.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 08:38:33 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-77-150.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:39:00 hi 08:40:05 what's a good naming convention when creating both destructive & non-destructive versions of a set of functions? 08:41:29 robot-beethoven: add "/will-make-your-life-miserable" to the names of destructive versions 08:42:19 -!- fsvehla [~fsvehla@046206044186.atmpu0018.highway.a1.net] has quit [Quit: fsvehla] 08:42:57 I suggest destructive- and constructive-. 08:44:14 in scheme you'd just name the destructive versions with a bang! 08:44:35 rudi [~rudi@1x-193-157-247-189.uio.no] has joined #lisp 08:45:16 or you could have both versions have the same name, but check the variable *i-know-what-i\'m-doing*, which, if true, would choose to use destructive version 08:47:09 Remember that if people are typing too much they have plenty of options to establish shortcuts. :) 08:47:12 jdz: yep, sort of. I actually need to disable #. macro. 08:47:52 clhs *read-suppress* 08:47:53 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/v_rd_sup.htm 08:48:06 oh, wait 08:48:12 *read-eval* 08:48:17 jdz: I'm writing simple markup language and I want to use CL reader instead of writing my own because CL reader is nice and tidy. 08:48:27 hitecnologys: it's not 08:48:41 why? 08:48:52 because it's hairy? 08:49:27 But it does it's work good, what else I may need? 08:49:31 agumonkey [~agu@156.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 08:50:08 you will know when you will need it, and the reader will not be able to provide it. for instance, names with colons. 08:50:51 That's was just an example, the only thing I need is to disable custom code execution. 08:51:15 I don't need names with colons and quotes and stuff. 08:52:09 Anyway, I already wrote my own reader so I can easily switc between them if I need it. 08:52:25 s/switc/switch/ 08:54:35 whats a good gui lib for CL? 08:55:03 mainly for graphs etc 08:55:44 I'm going to recommend html5, but it's probably not the answer you're looking for. 08:55:54 theos: I used to use qt for stuff but now I mostly use ncurses. OpenGL is good for graphs. 08:56:40 theos: CL bindigns called cl-opengl or something like that. 08:56:57 i should have specified - gtk 08:57:34 So, you need graphs drawing library for gtk, right? 08:57:55 pavelpenev [~quassel@85.130.70.65] has joined #lisp 08:58:06 yes 08:58:17 mainly graphs yes 08:58:23 -!- ericmathison [~ericmathi@172-15-249-133.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:59:10 I haven't used gtk a lot, can't help here in this case, sorry. 08:59:38 thanks. no worries 09:00:06 You should try drawing opengl scene insde gtk window, AFAIR it supports drawing opengl scenes. 09:00:43 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:01:01 fentonTraversAnd [~androirc@49.231.103.150] has joined #lisp 09:01:23 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:03:06 -!- ISF [~ivan@187.106.24.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:03:18 nice thanks 09:13:46 benkard [~benkard@dhcp-138-246-84-4.dynamic.eduroam.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 09:14:13 -!- harish [~harish@119.234.184.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:17:54 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 09:18:15 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 09:18:44 Thra11 [~Thra11@87.113.175.245] has joined #lisp 09:21:29 pierpa`` [~user@host82-222-dynamic.52-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 09:29:03 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:31:59 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@194.151.99.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:32:18 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@1-164-211-116.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:38:37 -!- namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:38:53 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 09:41:38 -!- benkard [~benkard@dhcp-138-246-84-4.dynamic.eduroam.mwn.de] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graph 10:01:11 NickLevine graphic :) for plotting graphs 10:01:26 ok, thx. 10:01:51 i will go with gtk+ for now. 10:05:36 benny [~user@maidenhead3.tunnelr.com] has joined #lisp 10:09:52 harish [~harish@203.117.38.130] has joined #lisp 10:11:51 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 10:14:51 statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-024-056.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 10:15:58 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:19:07 Oh, I thought you meant graphs as graphs, not graphics. 10:19:52 -!- rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:20:44 krishnak [~krishnak@204.28.120.61] has joined #lisp 10:23:31 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-77-150.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:24:58 rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has joined #lisp 10:27:12 ccorn [~ccorn@194.151.99.67] has joined #lisp 10:27:41 s0ber [~s0ber@36-224-100-6.dynamic-ip.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 10:28:03 -!- fentonTraversAnd [~androirc@49.231.103.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:30:16 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 10:30:56 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:31:12 benkard [~benkard@dhcp-138-246-85-80.dynamic.eduroam.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 10:31:25 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:32:00 ISF [~ivan@201.82.138.219] has joined #lisp 10:33:02 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@36-224-100-6.dynamic-ip.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:44:01 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 10:44:38 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 10:45:44 doomlord [~doomlod@host86-180-26-144.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 10:46:35 dawmei [~daw@58.Red-79-156-37.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 10:47:13 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:48:40 quasisane [~sanep@c-24-218-184-186.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:48:43 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:50:34 -!- surrounder [~surrounde@095-096-032-026.static.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:51:30 -!- statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-024-056.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:54:33 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:54:48 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 10:55:33 -!- bitonic` [~user@ppp-243-184.27-151.libero.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:55:44 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756c87.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 10:58:36 spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 10:58:43 DalekBaldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 11:02:23 rkm` [~user@rrcs-98-101-131-16.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:02:49 -!- rkm` [~user@rrcs-98-101-131-16.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:03:13 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:12:40 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@194.151.99.67] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 11:13:01 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:14:03 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.79.12] has joined #lisp 11:15:56 surrounder [~surrounde@095-096-032-026.static.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 11:19:01 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:20:05 Who wants to provide a library author some feedback on style & design? 11:20:25 if you mean "shame his code" 11:20:47 Xach: does the feedback have to be constructive? 11:21:05 improve not shame, shame is doing nothing 11:21:59 segv- [~mb@95-91-241-58-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 11:22:37 hi segv- :) 11:22:52 for free cookies? 11:23:51 ccorn [~ccorn@194.151.99.67] has joined #lisp 11:26:25 peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has joined #lisp 11:31:27 Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-201-109.w2-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 11:32:21 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:33:46 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 11:34:55 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:34:55 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:36:48 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:39:31 jdz: yes! 11:39:46 it is for our friend Ralt 11:40:06 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 11:42:01 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:42:25 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 11:42:56 -!- harish [~harish@203.117.38.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:43:20 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:43:22 lifeng [~lifeng@218.22.21.23] has joined #lisp 11:43:38 where's the code already? 11:43:46 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 11:44:03 https://github.com/Ralt/fs-watcher 11:45:00 uh oh, it doesn't use any os specific mechanisms to do its job 11:45:40 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:46:45 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@194.151.99.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:46:58 unless you're content with bad performance, high latency and reduced battery life 11:47:06 stassats: reminds me of FAM 11:47:17 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 11:47:54 p_l: FAM doesn't use any os-specific mechanisms? 11:48:55 stassats: used to not have them once upon a time, I think 11:50:48 ccorn [~ccorn@194.151.99.67] has joined #lisp 11:52:33 bitonic` [~user@ppp-243-184.27-151.libero.it] has joined #lisp 11:53:50 -!- rudi [~rudi@1x-193-157-247-189.uio.no] has quit [Quit: Client exciting.] 11:54:25 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@194.151.99.67] has quit [Client Quit] 11:57:26 Watcher7 [~w@silly.tabby.cat] has joined #lisp 11:57:28 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:58:03 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 11:58:57 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:59:21 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 11:59:22 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:59:40 davazp [~user@112.Red-88-15-121.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 11:59:50 -!- krishnak [~krishnak@204.28.120.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:59:52 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:00:58 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-168-17.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:03:18 -!- quasisane [~sanep@c-24-218-184-186.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:05:13 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 12:05:19 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:05:39 sellout [~Adium@209.117.47.248] has joined #lisp 12:07:50 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 12:08:00 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:08:12 quasisane [~sanep@c-24-218-184-186.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:10:02 Xach: I'm just curious, are there any plans on adding new features to quicklisp? 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User can select which specific editor he wants to use and other libraries just depend on "editor". 12:59:25 DalekBaldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 13:00:17 harish [~harish@cm32.zeta224.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #lisp 13:00:45 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 13:03:29 sw2wolf [~czsq888@171.217.199.218] has joined #lisp 13:03:37 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:07:10 mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 13:07:23 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 13:08:07 nyef [~nyef@c-50-157-244-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:08:16 G'morning all. 13:08:47 hi nyef 13:09:45 -!- sw2wolf [~czsq888@171.217.199.218] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:10:51 milanj [~milanj@82.117.199.26] has joined #lisp 13:13:34 hello nyef 13:15:32 Hrm. PostgreSQL arrays are weird. If I construct an empty 2D array, it gives me back an empty 1D array. 13:15:58 nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@c-24-218-27-188.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:16:20 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:16:22 And I've been having enough trouble with Lisp-side code recently that I double-checked with psql, and it did the same. 13:17:04 Yep, they are weird. When you pass empty 1D array it usually gives you type error. 13:17:05 nyef: I believe dim can tell you about this issue. There was some discussion on this topic a couple months ago. I think it boils down to empty high-rank arrays being unintuitive. 13:18:23 * discussions in posgres-land. 13:19:35 Lucky me, though, I'm using (array-dimension 0) as my count for number of results, and that doesn't break when the array only has one dimension. (-: 13:20:36 lkjh [~lkjh@170.20.11.31] has joined #lisp 13:20:50 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 13:22:15 Is it bug that postgres thorws error when I try to initialize row's column with empty array or what? 13:22:23 nyef: I think the postgres rader flattens arrays 13:22:28 jagaj [~AdmiralBu@pool-71-99-141-240.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:22:38 -!- miql_ [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:22:38 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-128-37.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:23:31 Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-128-37.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:25:02 I am not going to look into this too closely at this point, as I REALLY don't want to risk finding another bug in postmodern today. Or this week, really. 13:26:28 Enough with the annoying postmodern sniping. 13:27:24 Roger that. 13:27:38 Tell me where to send my enumerated list of complaints, please. The mailing list indicated by the postmodern homepage is 404. 13:27:56 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-128-37.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:28:33 ... Actually, adding that to the list as well, and then getting back to work. 13:29:00 Harag [~Thunderbi@41.13.0.40] has joined #lisp 13:29:26 That's a victim of common-lisp.net's botched migration. I think you can subscribe via email to postmodern-devel+subscribe@common-lisp.net 13:31:30 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@41.13.0.40] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 13:32:36 Harag [~Thunderbi@41.13.0.40] has joined #lisp 13:34:03 Posting it to paste.lisp.org would suffice, too. 13:35:38 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 13:35:43 hi 13:37:59 hello Denommus 13:39:17 antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-dqxlcfrwyieivkan] has joined #lisp 13:42:05 -!- echo-area [~user@123.120.229.62] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:42:41 echo-area [~user@123.120.229.62] has joined #lisp 13:49:27 walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 13:50:41 n1x [~n1x@unaffiliated/n1xnc0d3] has joined #lisp 13:52:51 Xach: http://paste.lisp.org/display/138060 13:53:56 Thanks! 13:54:22 fridim_ [~fridim@65.93.78.88] has joined #lisp 13:55:13 Not a problem. Of the three libraries that I have a written list of complaints about, postmodern has the longest writeup. (-: 13:56:36 -!- gadjo [~gggg@109.102.72.188] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:56:59 davazp [~user@112.Red-88-15-121.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:57:47 -!- n1x [~n1x@unaffiliated/n1xnc0d3] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 14:00:15 ahungry_ [~null@66.184.106.97] has joined #lisp 14:00:22 -!- mvilleneuve_ [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:00:57 Does this mean that you'll stop complaining about me sniping at postmodern now? (-: 14:01:40 -!- fridim_ [~fridim@65.93.78.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:02:43 Corvidium [~cosman246@c-24-143-118-11.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 14:04:59 homie [~homie@xdsl-78-35-150-60.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:05:00 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@41.13.0.40] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:05:17 For sure! 14:05:49 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-150-60.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:05:51 I only mind the vagueness. 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The 'toot instance runs in a separate thread, leaving the REPL in operation, right? 17:31:50 yea 17:31:59 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:32:17 nohup causes instant failure (it quickloads and kills sbcl process immeditaely) 17:32:26 I think sbcl must see no one is attached to the repl and kill itself 17:33:00 ... Let me guess, it reads an EOF? 17:33:41 ahungry: I just (loop (sleep 3600)). 17:34:31 ozzloy [~ozzloy@unaffiliated/ozzloy] has joined #lisp 17:35:35 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:35:42 killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has joined #lisp 17:35:45 even that doesn't work 17:35:53 screen also gives a message "Must be connected to a terminal" when I try it 17:36:01 maybe i'll run the su in the screen 17:36:04 instead of the screen as the su 17:36:42 What, approximately, are you trying to do here, anyway? 17:38:37 I wrote a backend service that internal process will hit via requests to localhost:7159 17:38:46 i need this to start up when server boots 17:38:56 so I need it in a start up script or /etc/init.d style service script 17:39:11 without any user intervention 17:39:17 just like apache starts up automatically on boot 17:40:02 Ah. I used an init.d style service script that spawned a detached screen that had my server on screen zero. There was a pidfile involved, and I could kill the server with SIGTERM and have it die gracefully, and stuff like that. 17:40:14 I do something like that 17:40:22 starting a detached screen from init 17:41:01 Mine also had the property that you could hit C-d at the REPL and it would restart, rebuilding any changed source files as needed. 17:41:17 nice 17:41:26 There were a couple of other cute bits as well. 17:42:16 screen -dmS lisp-server sbcl 17:42:26 seems to be what I needed (vs trying to background screen myself with &) 17:43:07 On an unrelated note, what do you guys think of this little project I am toying with btw? http://github.com/ahungry/glyphs 17:44:12 "ugh" 17:44:44 haha 17:45:13 I suppose if it was a good idea someone would have done by now 17:45:21 I'll have to write a full program using it and see how it comes out 17:45:24 Mmm... I'm not quite a fan. 17:45:49 I wanted to try that bodol language that I mention in the readme, but she has nothing implemented but plain parsing, no real functionality 17:45:55 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-36-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:46:01 so I was thinking this lets me type similar to that in the codebase while still having the full cl featureset 17:46:23 ahungry: On the other hand, have you seen http://common-lisp.net/~abridgewater/lisp-tex-test-2.png yet? 17:48:48 nice 17:49:08 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:49:34 michaeljmcd [~michael@ip-64-134-196-230.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 17:50:17 I put that together about three years ago now, as a bit of an experiment. I know how to make it compile, but I don't know how to write the emacs mode that would make it work properly, and I'm not at all sure that it's worth the trouble. 17:50:53 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107.200.11.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:01:26 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 18:02:54 btw ahungry have you seen colesaw? You could try to contribute an org-mode format to it instead of writing your own 18:03:09 Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-201-109.w2-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 18:03:48 "coleslaw" is happy to accept patches ;) 18:04:19 this plugin, for example, adds ReStructuredText support: https://github.com/redline6561/coleslaw/blob/master/plugins/rst.lisp 18:04:24 org mode would be a neat addition! 18:04:43 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:06:18 yeah it would, one question redline6561, Do you keep a record of which posts have already been 'written' everytime you write a new post? 18:07:30 pnpuff [~roll@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:07:56 Oh cool, I never heard of it 18:08:08 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-196-60-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 18:08:12 I saw an org-mode tutorial that mentioned jekyll and decided to write a small instance of it in CL for my own blogging 18:08:56 that integrates with a couple emacs functions so I can M-x ahungry-new-post and M-x ahungry-publish, for starting a new templated .org file and runnin the converter + push to my websites git repo 18:09:45 PuercoPop: I'm not sure I follow. When the blog is compiled, all content (including posts) is given a slug. Any slug collisions result in an error. Does that answer your question? 18:10:51 -!- _d3f [~gnu@94.242.252.66] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 18:12:38 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:12:40 I meant so say I write a plugin to post to tumblr when I write a new post, every time I compile the blog is there a way to know which posts have already been posted? (From the documentation the answer appears to be no) 18:12:42 gendl: <02:23:51> if you omit the (:use ..) statement then it will :use cl by default 18:12:52 gendl: NOPE. This is not what the standard says. 18:12:54 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:13:03 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 18:13:04 barglfargl [~333333333@24-197-167-134.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com] has joined #lisp 18:13:05 ahungry: Well, there's no emacs integration in coleslaw present but it would be welcome. And adding org-mode support just requires adding a render-content method on :org. 18:13:13 gendl: clhs defpackage: If :use is not supplied, it defaults to the same implementation-dependent value as the :use argument to make-package. 18:13:19 (i.e. that takes org-mode text and returns html) 18:13:29 pjb: ok. duly noted. thanks. 18:13:37 -!- camm` [~user@nat-tvwna-outside-visitornet2-c-65.princeton.org] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:13:49 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-15-132.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:13:59 my bad for ass/u/me'ing things 18:14:02 gendl: clhs make-package: use---a list of package designators. The default is implementation-defined. 18:14:03 camm` [~user@nat-tvwna-outside-visitornet2-c-65.princeton.org] has joined #lisp 18:14:13 Debian wheezy, radeon 6310, no acceleration, no KMS, logout/login -> vertically divided reversed screen, no consoles -- pointers? 18:14:35 gendl: so you could have a Maclisp implementation or a zetalisp implementation, where defpackage and make-package by default (:use :zeta-lisp) instead of (:use :cl). 18:14:40 camm`: wrong channel pointer 18:14:42 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Client Quit] 18:15:05 gendl: this is important, because it means that implementations are not necessarily Common Lisp implementations. They may just provide a CL package. 18:15:12 PuercoPop: You should upstream the plugin! :) Also, the blog doesn't really have a notion of that. git is tracking the version info for us so I'd be inclined to find out through git. 18:15:23 People often forget that, and the fact that you can define subsets and superset of the CL language. 18:15:38 an irrelevant fact 18:15:41 stassats: thanks, sorry! 18:16:17 *PuercoPop* nods 18:17:35 -!- maxm [~user@unaffiliated/maxm] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:17:48 redline6561: Well I haven't written any plugins yet, I was reading the documentation and source a couple of weeks ago in order to try to add and org mode render and theme. Right now, writing in org-mode and then manually translation to the html tumblr wants is not cutting it. 18:17:58 -!- pnpuff [~roll@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 18:19:07 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 18:19:40 benkard [~benkard@89.204.135.58] has joined #lisp 18:19:49 statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-226-215.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 18:19:56 joneshf-work [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #lisp 18:20:12 PuercoPop: gotcha 18:24:55 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:25:23 -!- michaeljmcd [~michael@ip-64-134-196-230.public.wayport.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:26:19 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756c87.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:26:30 dbe [~dbe@h-106-38.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 18:26:54 -!- dbe is now known as Guest98465 18:28:49 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:33:11 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*ehu* wonders what the answer was to the lisp based erp question by tcleval 18:57:01 wheelsucker [~user@ip68-105-66-161.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 18:57:46 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 18:58:16 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-71-126-167-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 18:58:38 -!- dawmei [~daw@58.Red-79-156-37.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:00:48 Lisp-based ERP? 19:01:07 jeremy_ [~jeremy@24-197-167-134.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com] has joined #lisp 19:01:17 -!- jeremy_ [~jeremy@24-197-167-134.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:02:20 barglfargl [~barglfarg@24-197-167-134.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com] has joined #lisp 19:07:24 n1x [~n1x@unaffiliated/n1xnc0d3] has joined #lisp 19:15:13 -!- rk[] is now known as rk[wrkwrkwrk] 19:16:49 -!- benkard [~benkard@89.204.135.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:20:24 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.79.12] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:21:19 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I have also limited the scope to hr,payroll,training and procurement for now because there is a niche for that in the mining sector in SA 21:03:28 -!- mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-wxxhvckipcetoeyc] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:03:35 jagaj [~AdmiralBu@pool-71-99-141-240.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:04:27 -!- ahungry [~null@66.184.106.97] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:05:10 ehu: the statutory reporting requirements for those areas of erp are nasty and a moving target in SA 21:05:42 mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-caohqkxngnargxoi] has joined #lisp 21:07:03 is there something like cl-fad that gives a richer set of file tests, like -f, -r, -x, etc., in perl/bash? 21:07:31 arademaker [~user@177.142.217.93] has joined #lisp 21:08:13 SBCL 1.1.9.4-220651c on Linux gives me an encoding error "#: 21:08:13 :UTF-8 stream encoding error on 21:08:13 # {1005D2C843}>: 21:08:19 21:08:23 the character with code 55357 cannot be encoded." 21:08:48 same script on MacOS running SBCL 1.1.8 works fine! BTW, I have also tried SBCL 1.1.8 on Linux with same error too. 21:09:10 -!- prxq_ [~mommer@mnhm-5f75c8b7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:09:26 Any idea? 21:10:01 -!- arkx [~aku@eagleflow.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:14:32 clop: see http://common-lisp.net/project/osicat/ 21:14:47 -!- Guest98465 [~dbe@h-106-38.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:16:21 -!- arademaker [~user@177.142.217.93] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:20:05 -!- milanj [~milanj@82.117.199.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:20:22 rtoym_ [~chatzilla@24.130.4.105] has joined #lisp 21:20:27 arademaker [~user@177.142.217.93] has joined #lisp 21:21:19 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@24.130.4.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:21:31 -!- rtoym_ is now known as rtoym 21:25:26 -!- antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-xzaxezbdkowroqiq] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:25:36 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 21:26:17 -!- sdemarre [~serge@50.97-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:28:18 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-196-20.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:28:57 ehaliewicz [~user@50.0.51.11] has joined #lisp 21:30:50 -!- arademaker [~user@177.142.217.93] has left #lisp 21:31:46 -!- fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:33:14 arkx [~aku@eagleflow.fi] has joined #lisp 21:33:21 edgar-rft, thank you, this is wonderful 21:33:51 jocke_pirat [~kgarricks@host-77-46-236-24.midco.net] has joined #lisp 21:34:53 -!- sirdancealot [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:36:08 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:37:53 arbscht [~arbscht@fsf/member/arbscht] has joined #lisp 21:38:37 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-196-20.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:41:03 breakds [~breakds@cpe-74-79-147-26.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:43:10 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:46:16 optima's nice: http://paste.lisp.org/display/138063 21:52:42 fightback [~david@209-6-131-21.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 21:52:56 Bike_ [~Glossina@71-222-41-247.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:53:05 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-196-20.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:54:19 milanj [~milanj@cable-94-189-130-125.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 21:54:42 dawmei [~daw@206.Red-83-33-80.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 21:55:10 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 21:55:44 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 21:56:27 arademaker [~user@177.142.17.109] has joined #lisp 21:56:50 -!- statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-226-215.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:57:44 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-4d0ddbb8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:06:41 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-77-150.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:06:49 -!- camm` [~user@nat-tvwna-outside-visitornet2-c-65.princeton.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:10:09 -!- agumonkey [~agu@156.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:10:43 -!- Sagane_ [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:10:52 -!- dawmei [~daw@206.Red-83-33-80.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: dawmei] 22:11:35 -!- inkjetunito [~hf999@unaffiliated/inkjetunit] has quit [Quit: qQQ] 22:12:45 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-222-41-247.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:15:14 -!- arademaker [~user@177.142.17.109] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15:55 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@174-21-163-101.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:19:09 Bike [~Glossina@71-222-41-247.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:20:15 -!- nyef [~nyef@c-50-157-244-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 22:20:24 -!- paddymahoney [~patrick@24.137.221.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:20:36 -!- mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Parting is such sweet sorrow...] 22:27:08 Corvidium [~cosman246@D-173-250-159-61.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 22:27:57 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-67-82.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 22:28:19 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:30:03 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 22:31:33 Bike_ [~Glossina@75-164-174-211.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:33:34 -!- fightback [~david@209-6-131-21.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: I was watching my other computer for too long.] 22:34:21 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-222-41-247.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:34:39 -!- victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has quit [Quit: Leaving IRC - 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These macros and dependent macros are all called in a single file. I have noticed that when I quickload my project, sometimes the side-effects are executed in time, sometimes not. Is there a way to force them? Thanks. 22:37:49 drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 22:40:21 -!- Bike_ [~Glossina@75-164-174-211.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:41:02 Bike [~Glossina@75-175-66-2.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:42:07 <|3b|> sure you don't want eval-when in the expansion instead? 22:42:59 Pretty sure. The idea is that the macro creates a class, and I need to cache this class name so that I can have another macro expand to a defmethod on that class name. 22:43:30 harag: nice. have you considered using another erp as your base? 22:43:41 <|3b|> sounds confusing 22:46:10 <|3b|> and not being able to reliably C-c C-c the forms in slime would be annoying as well 22:46:33 *|3b|* doesn't see anything in what you described that would make it not work though 22:47:24 -!- Bike [~Glossina@75-175-66-2.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:47:27 <|3b|> well, assuming the use of side-effects happens at the same time causing them does 22:47:44 well i've stuck a print statement in before the caching and can see that upon quickloading it only gets executed ~%50 of the time, otherwise it fails because they don't get executed in time 22:47:58 <|3b|> side-effects in compilation environment might not persist to run-time env if stuff is saved and loaded in between (or for other reasons) 22:48:02 paddymahoney [~patrick@198-84-186-52.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 22:48:10 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@89-178-147-70.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:48:33 cdidd [~cdidd@128-69-115-132.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 22:49:18 Bike [~Glossina@75-175-75-105.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:50:33 arademaker [~user@177.142.17.109] has joined #lisp 22:50:55 -!- seangrove [~user@208.80.69.42] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:53:44 sirdancealot [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 22:54:14 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abny30.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:55:21 seangrove [~user@208.80.69.42] has joined #lisp 22:56:16 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50.0.51.11] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:56:47 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 22:57:00 Pip [~Pip__@unaffiliated/pip] has joined #lisp 22:57:12 Zhivago, Here I am 22:57:37 Astounding. 22:57:56 joe9 [~user@ip70-179-153-227.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:58:30 Zhivago, Do you use Haskell? 22:58:45 sellout [~Adium@50.146.171.95] has joined #lisp 22:59:45 Pip: Why are you asking me this here? 23:00:21 Because Lisp is also a functional programming language as Haskell 23:00:23 i don't think it's a question of persistence so much as execution happening in general 23:00:51 No. Lisp dialects are overwhelmingly procedural, just javascript. 23:01:04 Pip: Lisp is not functional, and it is not similar to Haskell 23:01:13 Pip: but you'll often find functional Lisp code 23:01:16 Isn't it? 23:01:30 Pip: no. Lisp is multiparadigm. It even has a powerful object system 23:01:33 It supports a functional style of programming, but it's procedural in nature. 23:01:49 What is the difference between start SBCL from slime and from the prompt? I am processing a utf-8 file but only when I execute sbcl from the prompt I get an error! 23:02:15 different environment 23:02:16 Zhivago: what do you mean by procedural in nature? (Honest question) 23:02:25 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:02:29 -!- pierpa`` [~user@host82-222-dynamic.52-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:02:47 such as LANG 23:03:06 He meant imperative paradigm 23:03:11 I mean that lisp code represents operations that proceed over time. 23:03:35 As opposed to time-invariant relationships like functions. 23:03:45 -!- sellout [~Adium@50.146.171.95] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:04:03 oh. 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