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I'll tell sausages when he/she/it next speaks. 01:51:46 how much trouble would I cause myself by trying to use CL as a lisp-1 through some macrology? 01:52:57 alexandria should have remove-from-plist-if 01:53:01 it only has remove-from-plist 01:53:23 aspect: i'll call you names if you would 01:53:23 aspect: not very much. There's a lisp-1 macro published on cll. 01:53:44 aspect: cm-2 implements a mini scheme in CL to implement the application in scheme. 01:53:59 aspect: there's also pseudo-scheme a r4rs implementation in CL. 01:54:02 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@c-50-132-3-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:54:17 Corvidium [~cosman246@c-50-132-3-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:56:15 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 01:57:20 thanks, those are some useful things to look at .. even if my google-fu is weak right now 01:57:45 better figure how to make lisp-pi with macros 01:57:46 . 02:00:20 -!- catmtking [~catmtking@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:00:24 -!- NihilistDandy [~ND@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: NihilistDandy] 02:01:29 (format "~,2f" 9.575) => 9.57, how can i get 9.58 ? sorry for repeating it, as i have not found best solution. 02:01:29 zRecursive, memo from pjb: you need to read What Every Computer Scientist Should Know About Floating-Point Arithmetic http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19957-01/806-3568/ncg_goldberg.html 02:01:29 zRecursive, memo from pnpuff: anyway it's right: echo "3 k 8.15 0.5 11 8.15 - * + f" | dc ==> 9.575 ... 02:05:58 agumonkey [~agu@156.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 02:10:16 -!- Kruppe [~user@d67-193-129-147.home3.cgocable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:11:56 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:13:40 ikosh [~user@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 02:19:22 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:22:10 what's interesting about zRecursive's problem is that every other language I have on hand rounds to 9.58, but I can't build a mental model of how CL gets 9.57 ... is there a way to inspect the bits of a flonum so I can at least decide if it's happening at read-time or at format-time? 02:22:12 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:23:36 -!- ikosh [~user@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:23:58 ikosh [~user@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 02:26:04 aspect: sometimes it is round: (format "~,4f" pi) => 3.1416 02:26:16 aspect: read the goldberg paper above too. 02:26:58 pjb: in haskell, printf "%.2f" 9.575 => 9.58 02:27:44 this is irrelevant. 02:28:11 pjb: any particular section? I'm not entirely ignorant about floating point, so narrowing down the point where behaviour might be surprising me would help 02:28:19 For one thing, CL doesn't specify rounding modes. For another, most implementation use IEEE754 floating point operations, where the rounding mode is a global parameter. 02:28:28 This means that you have three possibilities: 02:28:34 -!- ikosh [~user@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:29:33 - either the implementation sets the rounding mode to something specific, or it lets the user specify it, or it doesn't set it, and then it may even use a different rounding mode depending on what other library or process sets or resets the rounding mode. 02:29:52 given that none of these values fits exactly in a float, I'm not even convinced rounding mode is relevant 02:30:21 -!- n1x [~n1x@unaffiliated/n1xnc0d3] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:31:28 it is even explicitely specified that: When rounding up and rounding down would produce printed values equidistant from the scaled value of arg, then the implementation is free to use either one. 02:32:51 (trunate 9.575) => 9; 0.5749958 so the representation ... 02:33:10 zRecursive: IMO, you should read goldberg three times. 02:33:18 -!- davazp [~user@112.Red-88-15-121.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:33:27 You should NOT care whether 9.575 is written 9.57 or 9.58. 02:33:27 pjb: sure 02:33:41 Otherwise, compare: (format nil "~,2$" 9.575) (format nil "~,2$" 9.585) 02:34:45 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:35:08 But since you're using ~F, you mean a Fisical value, not a dollar$ value. 02:35:18 donot you think it is not relative to floating number representation for chosen format ? 02:36:08 (format nil "~$" 9.575) => 9.57 02:36:10 It may happen, but perhaps not in this case. 02:37:37 -!- Myk267 [~myk@unaffiliated/myk267] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:37:46 Myk267 [~myk@unaffiliated/myk267] has joined #lisp 02:38:06 and what do you get for (format nil "~,2$" 9.585) ? 02:38:25 9.59 02:38:32 Who do you think it's so? 02:38:37 Why 02:39:54 Actually, it's ~2$: (format nil "~2$ ~2$" 9.575 9.585) 02:40:02 (truncate 9.585) => 9; 0.58500004 02:40:35 ldionmarcil [~maden@dsl-66-36-144-210.mtl.aei.ca] has joined #lisp 02:40:36 and (truncate 9.575) => 9; 0.5749998 02:40:39 so it is rounded to 9.59 relative to representation ? 02:40:46 -!- ldionmarcil [~maden@dsl-66-36-144-210.mtl.aei.ca] has quit [Changing host] 02:40:46 ldionmarcil [~maden@unaffiliated/maden] has joined #lisp 02:40:56 No, money amounts are rounded with the banker's rounding. 02:41:10 It's up for even numbers, and down for odd numbers. 02:41:22 For physicists, it doesn't matter. 02:42:18 (format t "~,2f" 9.585) => 9.59 too 02:42:25 (format nil "~2$" 9.595) -> 9.60 02:43:47 n1x [~n1x@unaffiliated/n1xnc0d3] has joined #lisp 02:43:55 estebistec [~estebiste@72.133.228.205] has joined #lisp 02:48:02 setmeaway [stemearay@119.201.52.138] has joined #lisp 02:58:40 In addition, it's difficult to get exactly 9.757. For example, if you start from 9.515 and add 0.01, you get 9.575002, not 9.575. But that's normal, for floating points. 03:00:03 The conclusion is, as we've already said, NOT to use floating point to represent integral numbers of cents. Or, if you need to format decimal representations of decimal numbers, to implement the routine yourself. 03:02:04 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-20-117.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 03:16:49 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@c-50-132-3-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:19:50 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:21:58 temporarily using: (format t "~$" (/ (+ (* 9.575 100) 0.5) 100)) => 9.58 03:25:26 should be: (format t "~$" (/ (truncate (+ (* 9.575 100) 0.5)) 100)) 03:28:04 nbouscal [~nbouscal@c-67-168-113-48.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:28:38 Bike [~Glossina@71-214-89-207.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 03:33:20 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 03:41:23 -!- ldionmarcil [~maden@unaffiliated/maden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:43:04 Artheist [~quassel@modemcable079.49-161-184.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 03:44:48 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:47:48 breakds [~breakds@cpe-74-79-147-26.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:49:04 Corvidium [~cosman246@c-24-143-118-11.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 03:49:10 Harag [~Thunderbi@41-132-83-33.dsl.mweb.co.za] has joined #lisp 03:49:57 -!- agumonkey [~agu@156.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:53:33 -!- dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:59:03 -!- Triclops256|away is now known as Triclops256 04:01:42 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@110.188.65.87] has left #lisp 04:07:50 -!- harish [~harish@cm32.zeta224.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:11:28 -!- Triclops256 is now known as Triclops256|away 04:17:28 youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 04:19:15 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:19:28 drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 04:19:57 youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 04:20:49 robgssp [~user@cpe-24-93-28-218.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:21:36 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:22:37 nightfly [sage@destiny.cat.pdx.edu] has joined #lisp 04:23:23 youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 04:23:42 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:24:15 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:26:01 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.164.188.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:27:29 youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 04:29:09 harish [~harish@cm32.zeta224.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #lisp 04:35:51 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 04:37:33 -!- francisl [~anonymous@bas3-montreal42-1167938597.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: francisl] 04:43:34 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:43:55 echo-area [~user@123.120.255.168] has joined #lisp 04:44:35 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:49:01 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-71-126-167-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 04:50:27 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@157.Red-83-61-68.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:51:10 -!- breakds [~breakds@cpe-74-79-147-26.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 04:56:53 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:57:09 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-20-117.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:57:24 drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 04:59:02 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.83.196] has joined #lisp 05:01:56 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:05:09 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 05:05:41 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:06:26 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 05:06:31 prw [~chatzilla@87-57-209-106-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #lisp 05:06:35 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-20-117.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 05:08:40 I can read devel mailing lists at common-lisp.net on Gmane, but can I subscribe to them, so I can post bug reports? I ask, because the mailing lists are (or appear to be) down. 05:08:58 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.141.51] has joined #lisp 05:09:23 -!- estebistec [~estebiste@72.133.228.205] has left #lisp 05:09:44 i think common-lisp.net is having problems right now 05:09:49 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:11:32 Yes, Bike. And the archives at http://lists.common-lisp.net/pipermail/ all appear to stop in April, so the lists have been down for a while. 05:13:23 This is really quite a horrible situation. I am currently maintaining my own forked versions of parenscript and drakma, and I fear I am going to have to do the same with hunchentoot (tbnl). 05:15:55 you could email the maintainers directly, i guess 05:17:42 Yeah, I'd feel kind of evil and probably end in their spam lists anyway, but I can do that. 05:19:53 doomlord [~doomlod@host86-180-26-144.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 05:20:20 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 05:20:57 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 05:27:35 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:29:30 <|3b|> lists are up, just no more web interface at the moment 05:34:11 redSnow [~Thunderbi@113.96.116.126] has joined #lisp 05:35:22 |3b|, thanks. How do I subscribe to a list? 05:35:22 -!- michaeljmcd [~michael@ip70-178-95-137.ks.ks.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:38:05 -!- rme [~rme@50.43.167.185] has left #lisp 05:40:13 -!- n1x [~n1x@unaffiliated/n1xnc0d3] has quit [Ping timeout: 261 seconds] 05:42:17 catmtking [~catmtking@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:43:03 <|3b|> not sure exactly :/ 05:44:35 <|3b|> i think you can send email to it with +help added to the name to get instructions (so something like foo-devel+help@common-lisp.net with 'foo-devel' replaced by some real mailing list name) 05:45:01 *rszeno* mailman usualy work by sending a mail with subject:subscribe 05:45:30 <|3b|> idon't think it is mailman anymore 05:46:11 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:47:32 <|3b|> uses mlmmj or something like that 05:50:07 probably i am wrong, i get this from http://common-lisp.net/project-hosting.html, the "Automatic and manual mailinglists" 05:51:29 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:53:52 n1x [~n1x@unaffiliated/n1xnc0d3] has joined #lisp 05:54:04 drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 05:55:03 |3b|, thanks again. I found the docs for mlmmj interface here: http://mlmmj.org/docs/readme-listtexts/ Trying it now. 05:57:23 -!- nibalizer [nibz@reaver.cat.pdx.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:57:31 nibalizer [nibz@reaver.cat.pdx.edu] has joined #lisp 05:57:43 -!- Artheist [~quassel@modemcable079.49-161-184.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:01:44 loke [~loke_@42.61.218.195] has joined #lisp 06:03:39 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 06:04:42 zRecursive [~czsq888@118.112.156.29] has joined #lisp 06:07:24 |3b|, that worked (list-name+help@address) replies with a list of possible 'commands' and to subscribe you send mail to list-name+help@address. 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such as having state progress with MAKE-INSTANCE instead of (SETF (SLOT-VALUE ...) ...) 08:22:18 -!- n1x [~n1x@unaffiliated/n1xnc0d3] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:24:27 phax [~phax@c-67-161-5-247.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:24:28 -!- phax [~phax@c-67-161-5-247.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 08:24:28 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 08:26:58 jewel [~jewel@105-236-99-241.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:27:14 teggi [~teggi@123.20.119.146] has joined #lisp 08:34:19 -!- ericmathison [~ericmathi@172.15.249.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:34:46 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@85-76-156-210-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:35:13 robot-beethoven: that all depends on your value function... it is definitely more costly from a computational perspective, but if your code is easier to maintain due to the functional style, then that can quickly turn around if you use a value function that involves some other components like programmer time... 08:36:51 pavelpenev [~quassel@85.130.70.65] has joined #lisp 08:37:01 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-20-117.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:39:42 Thra11 [~Thra11@87.113.175.245] has joined #lisp 08:40:43 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:40:49 drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 08:40:59 n1x [~n1x@unaffiliated/n1xnc0d3] has joined #lisp 08:50:37 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:51:11 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 08:51:55 -!- pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [] 08:52:00 -!- n1x [~n1x@unaffiliated/n1xnc0d3] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:54:09 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:59:28 Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #lisp 09:00:15 gadjo [~gggg@109.102.72.188] has joined #lisp 09:00:29 pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 09:03:59 ehu` [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 09:05:57 Sagane_ [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #lisp 09:06:01 n1x [~n1x@unaffiliated/n1xnc0d3] has joined #lisp 09:08:03 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5B2B5FB0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 09:08:39 peterhil [~peterhil@85-76-131-116-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has joined #lisp 09:08:41 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 09:08:47 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:10:33 pnpuff_ [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 09:12:33 -!- nug700 [~nug700@174-26-159-207.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 09:12:44 srcerer [~chatzilla@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has joined #lisp 09:13:50 -!- srcerer_ [~chatzilla@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:13:55 -!- pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:15:31 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.141.51] has joined #lisp 09:19:45 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:24:11 -!- pnpuff_ is now known as pnpuff 09:24:14 -!- pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 09:24:51 pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 09:26:14 -!- statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-025-244.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:28:14 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:32:07 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 09:37:55 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:38:12 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 09:45:17 -!- n1x [~n1x@unaffiliated/n1xnc0d3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:46:12 Greetings! 09:46:31 Where does hunchentoot store all sessions data? 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This form eof's: (read-line (make-string-input-stream "") nil) 11:09:52 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@fsf/member/arbscht] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 11:10:07 codeburg [~folker@85.183.24.157] has joined #lisp 11:11:42 -!- inkjetunito [~hf999@unaffiliated/inkjetunit] has quit [Quit: qQQ] 11:12:35 arbscht [~arbscht@fsf/member/arbscht] has joined #lisp 11:12:50 <|3b|> probably wouldn't be too hard to write a gray stream that never has any input 11:16:47 DalekBaldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 11:23:00 <|3b|>: thanks, I'll take a look. 11:23:26 <|3b|> out of curiosity, why do you want that? 11:23:53 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:27:37 redSnow [~Thunderbi@113.96.116.126] has joined #lisp 11:33:44 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 11:38:09 codeberg [~folker@85.183.24.157] has joined #lisp 11:39:07 <|3b|>: I'm emulating sb-bsd-sockets. And to emulate the socket-make-stream, I need that hang behaviour (ie, the stream will on read wait for data on underlying socket). 11:41:02 -!- redSnow [~Thunderbi@113.96.116.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:41:21 -!- codeburg [~folker@85.183.24.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:41:39 |3b|: my guess would be that you need a custom stream for that. 11:42:21 walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 11:44:04 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:44:22 -!- benkard [~benkard@ppp-188-174-188-7.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 11:46:21 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:46:43 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-95-223.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:50:53 I'll try wrap a graystream around an (make-two-way-stream (make-string-input-stream "") (make-string-output-stream)) 11:53:40 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.19.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:55:24 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.19.160] has joined #lisp 11:55:34 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.19.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:56:08 pierpa` [~user@host204-228-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 11:59:26 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.19.160] has joined #lisp 11:59:32 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.19.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:00:53 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.19.160] has joined #lisp 12:05:34 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-107-55.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:05:52 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@h165043.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 12:08:30 eskatrem [~user@80.174.147.162.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 12:11:48 -!- drdo [~drdo@2a02:2498:e000:20::16f:2] has quit [Quit: :O] 12:12:24 -!- eskatrem [~user@80.174.147.162.dyn.user.ono.com] has left #lisp 12:12:36 drdo [~drdo@2a02:2498:e000:20::16f:2] has joined #lisp 12:16:17 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 12:24:27 DalekBaldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 12:27:14 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:28:34 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:29:37 -!- DalekBaldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:30:40 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 12:31:59 josemanuel [~josemanue@22.210.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 12:36:25 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-163-126.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:44:07 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5B2B5FB0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:53:25 -!- drdo [~drdo@2a02:2498:e000:20::16f:2] has quit [Quit: :O] 12:53:33 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 12:54:13 drdo [~drdo@2a02:2498:e000:20::16f:2] has joined #lisp 12:55:19 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:55:46 -!- drdo [~drdo@2a02:2498:e000:20::16f:2] has quit [Client Quit] 12:56:24 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5B2B5291.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 12:56:35 drdo [~drdo@2a02:2498:e000:20::16f:2] has joined #lisp 12:57:15 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-146-5.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:01:11 homie [~homie@xdsl-78-35-169-213.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:03:51 -!- homie__ [~homie@xdsl-78-35-146-5.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:04:00 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-146-5.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:06:17 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-122-24-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 13:12:32 pnpuff [~wff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 13:15:23 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:16:10 -!- pnpuff [~wff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [] 13:16:29 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-181-90.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 13:17:04 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:17:25 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 13:17:31 -!- doomlord [~doomlod@host86-180-26-144.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:18:56 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 13:24:14 -!- loke [~loke_@42.61.218.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:24:21 loke [~loke_@42.61.218.195] has joined #lisp 13:27:11 doomlord [~doomlod@host86-180-26-144.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 13:29:56 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 13:31:04 -!- n1x [~n1x@unaffiliated/n1xnc0d3] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:31:28 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:31:55 breakds [~breakds@cpe-74-79-147-26.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:32:58 pnpuff [~wff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 13:33:47 davazp [~user@112.Red-88-15-121.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:35:35 eskatrem [~user@80.174.147.162.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 13:36:10 Hi, this is a newbie question, but I have some problem to load usocket 13:36:32 eskatrem: what problem? 13:36:33 dbe [~dbe@h-106-38.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 13:36:43 I install the package by running (asdf-install:install :usocket), and then (require :usocket) works fine 13:37:01 Don't use asdf-install, use quicklisp. 13:37:01 but if I restard sbcl, (require :usocket) throws an error 13:37:22 (ql:quickload :usocket) 13:37:35 http://www.quicklisp.org/beta/ 13:39:06 ok, I', having a look at it, thanks 13:40:30 killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has joined #lisp 13:41:16 yeah, quicklisp looks neater 13:41:39 (at least, unlike asdf-install, I don't have the prompt when the installation is running) 13:42:52 but still the same problem, I ran (ql:quickload :usocket)l, then (require :usocket), but it failed after I restarted sbcl 13:43:33 so don't use require, use ql:quickload 13:44:03 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-214-164-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 13:46:00 hello...I would like to obtain PostScript code from Lisp. What is the proper way to accomplish this task? What existing tools (e.g. PLisp) I have to use? thx for any suggestion... 13:46:01 pnpuff, memo from pjb: You have an unbalanced ) parenthesis. 13:46:01 pnpuff, memo from pjb: just after the third gstate form. 13:47:29 ok, so ql:quickload is the equivalent of (if (exists package) (load package) (do (install package) (load package))) 13:49:11 system, not package 13:49:28 pjb: thx. I need open files in emacs... :) 13:50:13 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-122-24-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:50:23 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.227.107] has joined #lisp 13:50:23 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.227.107] has quit [Changing host] 13:50:23 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 13:51:15 -!- jagaj [~AdmiralBu@pool-71-99-141-240.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: jagaj] 13:52:04 groglogic [~groglogic@ip-64-134-157-206.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 13:52:21 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 13:52:44 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@22.210.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 13:56:23 eskatrem: more precisely ql:quickload is the equivalent of 13:56:23 (progn 13:56:23 (unless (exists-system-and-all-its-dependences system) 13:56:23 (download-system-and-all-its-dependences system)) 13:56:23 (load system)) 13:56:34 -!- harish [~harish@cm32.zeta224.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:57:19 dstatyvka: thanks! 13:58:45 harish [~harish@cm32.zeta224.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #lisp 14:01:34 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 14:05:56 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:07:45 patrickwonders_ [~patrickwo@209.162.10.252] has joined #lisp 14:11:29 n1x [~n1x@unaffiliated/n1xnc0d3] has joined #lisp 14:11:31 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.83.196] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:15:34 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:17:15 -!- patrickwonders_ [~patrickwo@209.162.10.252] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 14:18:12 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 14:18:18 arrdem [~user@107-194-73-19.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:19:48 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.19.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:20:01 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:21:47 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:21:59 -!- pnpuff [~wff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 14:23:14 -!- jangle [~jimmy1984@c-98-233-111-131.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: jangle] 14:24:56 pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 14:24:58 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.19.160] has joined #lisp 14:25:06 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.19.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:25:32 myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has joined #lisp 14:26:06 A thought exercise: What would lisp n be like? 14:26:54 I'm thinking about a chapter in L.i.S.P., 2nd ed, in French and it got me thinking, what would Lisp n be, where n > 2. 14:28:40 myrkraverk: CL is arguably Lisp 7 14:28:44 or something like that 14:29:33 Because of? 14:29:42 Well, at least 5. Variables, functions, classes, types, packages. 14:30:09 Hmm, yeah, that's one way to look at it. 14:30:22 are there any other ways? 14:30:55 does gnu clisp not have TCO? (progn (defun addup (n lim sum) (if (<= n lim) (addup (+ n 1) lim (+ n sum)) sum)) (addup 0 10000 0)) => program stack overflow 14:31:09 gjord: depends on optimisation level, I believe 14:31:23 gjord: You should never assume the existance of tail call optimisation anyway 14:31:36 Loops are much easier to read anyway 14:31:43 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 14:32:16 loke: it's a matter of opinion I believe 14:32:59 -!- zyg [d572a7c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.114.167.193] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:33:51 loops? do you take me for some sort of barbarian? 14:34:12 loke, I don't know. 14:34:45 I think tail calls are quite obvious. 14:35:08 myrkraverk: (let ((x 42)) (is-this-a-tail-call)) 14:36:32 pkhuong, why should it not be? 14:36:51 gjord: well, loops are generally easier to read, and CL doesn't ever guarnatee any form of tail call optimisation so good luck fighting those windmills 14:36:52 myrkraverk: is X bound dynamically or lexically? 14:37:32 gjord: clisp's interpreter doesn't do TCO. COMPILEing may help. 14:38:08 Actually, there *are* cases where tail calls are easier to read. 14:38:54 sure. How many of these cases need TCO? 14:39:21 Dunno, I've used them quite effectively in Python, which didn't run out of stack. 14:39:27 myrkraverk: there are some such cases, yes. Not that common though 14:39:59 loke, depends. I found it quite common in a certain field. 14:41:01 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:41:08 -!- groglogic [~groglogic@ip-64-134-157-206.public.wayport.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:42:43 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.19.160] has joined #lisp 14:43:00 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 14:43:38 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.19.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:45:30 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.19.160] has joined #lisp 14:46:25 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.19.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:47:43 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.19.160] has joined #lisp 14:48:01 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.141.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:48:02 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.19.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:50:23 -!- sirdancealot [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:50:40 AeroNotix [~xeno@abos19.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 14:50:47 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:51:34 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:52:35 puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 14:53:58 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 14:55:17 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 14:56:56 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:58:02 interesting discussion, thanks 14:58:26 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.200.11.156] has joined #lisp 15:00:41 gjord: sure you need all the outstanding power of the Lisp language to perform such kind of easy calculations? :) 15:03:25 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:04:07 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-169-213.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:04:27 sirdancealot [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 15:04:32 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50.196.148.102] has quit [Quit: kpreid] 15:05:50 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.19.160] has joined #lisp 15:07:13 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 15:07:23 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107.200.11.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:07:33 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-90-219.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 15:12:47 oudeis [~oudeis@95.35.54.15] has joined #lisp 15:14:44 sykopomp` [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 15:15:15 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 15:15:45 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:18:02 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 15:18:09 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:18:15 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-71-126-167-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:20:52 right now I'm writing an interpreter for my own lisp-like language, and am wondering about how lambdas are evaluated. If, for example, you do something like (lambda (x) (+ 2 3)), is (+ 2 3) evaluated when the lambda is defined, or when it's called? 15:21:37 in general, I'm not sure if a lambda should simply preserve its given AST, or if it should partially evaluate it (and if the latter, which parts should be evaluated) 15:22:38 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:22:56 I feel like you would at least have to evaluate the lambda partially to get the values of any variables used in the lambda that are currently in scope, but I'm not sure exactly how far I should go with this 15:23:29 evaluation under lambda is very rare. I've seen it in proof assistants and other environments that help reason about programs. In Common Lisp, the body will only be evaluated when the lambda is called, wih arguments. 15:25:15 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 15:26:46 pkhuong: but then what about something like (let ((x 1)) (lambda (y) (+ x y)))? is the expression checked for variables, or is the current scope somehow packaged with the lambda? 15:27:01 stardiviner [~quassel@218.74.179.4] has joined #lisp 15:27:16 b2coutts: he said evaluated. He didn't say compiled or otherwise processed 15:28:10 loke: ah, so a lisp interpreter would typically traverse the given AST, and evaluate all variables not bound by the lambda? 15:28:36 b2coutts: not evaluate, but it would create the necessary bindings, yes 15:29:49 b2coutts: otherwise, the entire stack frame would have to be located on the heap and be referenced from the closure. That works, but is very slow and wastes a lot of memory 15:30:16 yeah, I figured that would be unreasonable for any reasonably large program 15:30:56 agumonkey [~agu@156.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 15:31:15 so I guess a lambda is essentially just an AST, and a scope which is a subset of the scope in which the lambda was defined, binding only the variables used in the lambda? 15:32:34 b2coutts: yeah, something like that. The referenced variables would have to be on the heap, too. 15:32:48 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@95.35.54.15] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:33:18 b2coutts: a compiler like SBCL will actually compile it lambda right away, so a closure is machine code and some bindings 15:34:16 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-169-213.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:40:52 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-71-126-167-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 15:41:25 -!- Guest1988 [~rick@76.178.135.192] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:41:55 saarin` [~user@109.175.27.246] has joined #lisp 15:41:57 ericmathison [~ericmathi@172-15-249-133.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:43:20 -!- saarin` [~user@109.175.27.246] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:43:24 -!- saarin [~user@109.175.27.246] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:43:24 -!- jaaso [~user@109.175.27.246] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:43:40 Bike_ 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function (a defvar) works. I get this when using (break *onchange*), and (funcall *onchange*) doesn't work: (BREAK "~A" #) 19:27:58 any idea of what's wrong? 19:28:08 -!- pierpa` [~user@host204-228-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:28:42 (break "~A" *onchange*), sorry. 19:30:16 spion__ [~spion@77.28.240.174] has joined #lisp 19:30:28 your description makes little sense... for example "doesn't work" could mean it doesn't make you coffee like you expected 19:30:32 _0bitcount [~bitcount@81.61.208.23.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 19:30:36 -!- spion__ is now known as spion 19:30:43 -!- spion [~spion@77.28.240.174] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30:56 spion [~spion@77.28.240.174] has joined #lisp 19:30:58 -!- spion [~spion@77.28.240.174] has quit [Changing host] 19:30:58 spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 19:31:12 adeht: "doesn't work" means "function is not executed" 19:31:18 my bad. 19:31:20 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 19:32:13 how do you play in the repl with a function that (loop (progn (sleep 1) ...)? 19:32:25 the REPL is blocked so you can't really play with it 19:32:28 or can you? 19:32:36 define "play" 19:32:40 give code, backtrace, etc. 19:32:59 see current states for example 19:33:09 define states 19:33:30 (defvar *some-var*) <- check *some-var* after a few loops 19:33:40 Ralt, you probably mean step macro: (step ...) 19:33:57 I don't know step 19:33:58 interrupting may or may not be safe, may or may not show local lexical variables 19:34:26 I don't use it but CL implementations can do different things with step. 19:35:04 milosn [~milosn@user-5af5022d.broadband.tesco.net] has joined #lisp 19:35:11 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 19:35:36 I see. Thanks. 19:35:53 I bet CLISP is better with step than SBCL. 19:36:09 (I don't use CLISP, though.) 19:36:17 -!- sbryant [freenode@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:36:17 sbryant [freenode@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has joined #lisp 19:37:57 -!- milosn_ [~milosn@user-5af5043f.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:38:54 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@95.35.60.83] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:40:30 -!- dawmei [~daw@122.Red-79-156-38.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: dawmei] 19:41:41 Ralt, for debugging and printing some values deep inside a code I use my own reader macro #% before any expression: http://paste.lisp.org/display/137414 19:42:26 dtw: nice 19:43:23 phadthai [mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net] has joined #lisp 19:46:13 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 19:46:39 -!- davazp [~user@112.Red-88-15-121.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49:57 -!- prxq 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CL-USER> (format nil "~3$" 1373619391.0d0) 20:33:32 "1373619391.000" 20:33:35 CL-USER> (format nil "~3$" 1373619391.0) 20:33:38 "1373619300.000" 20:33:41 20:33:52 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-214-164-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:35:16 -!- Praise- is now known as Praise 20:36:18 <|3b|> clhs ~$ 20:36:19 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/22_ccd.htm 20:36:43 <|3b|> "If arg is a rational number, then it is coerced to be a single float and then printed." 20:37:22 thanks, sorry i should have seen that 20:37:46 -!- Davidbrcz_ [~david@ANantes-151-1-12-233.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:38:02 -!- francisl [~anonymous@69.159.115.93] has quit [Quit: francisl] 20:38:25 francisl [~anonymous@69.159.115.93] has joined #lisp 20:38:27 -!- francisl [~anonymous@69.159.115.93] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38:51 hmm. and yet when it's a double-float (which would also be covered by that clause i guess), sbcl is clearly excercising its right to do better. i uess the next question would be, why not do the same for integers (ie coerce them to double-float rather than single-float) 20:39:01 jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has joined #lisp 20:39:16 AeroNoti1 [~xeno@abor177.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:41:43 <|3b|> (subtypep 'double-float 'rational) => nil 20:42:16 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abos19.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:45:23 benkard [~benkard@ppp-188-174-188-7.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #lisp 20:45:31 ugh, ok got it. thank you |3b| 20:45:34 i am having trouble understanding hunchentoot handlers 20:46:19 I have one .lisp file that is supposed to define a hunchentoot handler + one .lisp form + one .lisp processor that is supposed to stuff the data into an sqlite db 20:46:30 as per: http://paste.lisp.org/display/138050 20:47:17 can someone comment in plain english how hunchentoot 'uses' handlers to pass data from the form page to another that does the data input? 20:48:14 -!- michaeljmcd [~michael@ip70-178-95-137.ks.ks.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:50:12 michaeljmcd [~michael@ip70-178-95-137.ks.ks.cox.net] has joined #lisp 20:50:41 Artheist [~quassel@184.161.49.79] has joined #lisp 20:51:04 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:53:45 <|3b|> holycow: are you sure that is just hunchentoot? 20:53:47 it doesn't, it's all http 20:54:31 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:55:22 pierre1 [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has joined #lisp 20:58:04 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 21:02:13 dawmei [~daw@74.Red-83-61-34.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 21:02:35 zoek1 [~zoek@187.135.159.76] has joined #lisp 21:03:31 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:03:57 |3b|: its not, is hh-web, but it is supposed to let me use the hunchentoot variables 21:04:25 -!- 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