00:00:57 that is a lot better. easier to understand too 00:01:49 i'm not sure though what (nth-digit 0 -1) => 9 means 00:04:51 -!- zophy_ [~sy@host-30-23-2-96.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:06:07 i'm not sure yet either. Maybe the sign should be stripped off first. 00:07:33 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 00:08:03 maybe if one has -n, then the digits should be negative 00:09:13 is that the -1st digit of 0? 00:09:19 no, other way 00:09:31 oh, 0th digit of -1 00:09:32 Quadrescence: your (simple-bit-vector *) in %primes-below-fixnum declaration is the same as simple-bit-vector 00:09:35 probably 10-adic then 00:09:44 Bike, right 00:09:48 -1 = ...999 00:09:51 9999.0 00:09:55 very civil 00:10:07 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:10:11 lisp binary is 2-adic anyway so this is obviously The Right Thing :P 00:10:14 zophy_ [~sy@host-30-23-2-96.midco.net] has joined #lisp 00:11:06 :) 00:13:16 what would you expect the first digit of -1 to be? 00:13:35 0 00:13:42 what about the 0th digit 00:13:53 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@c-24-143-118-11.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:13:58 what's 0th? 00:14:16 the one just to the left of the radix point 00:14:33 first = (nth-digit 0 -1) 00:15:04 arubin [~arubin@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 00:15:10 stassats, what do you expect the digits to the left of the radix of -1 to be? 00:16:01 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:16:02 communist 00:16:12 :( 00:16:41 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:16:46 okay. i will change it so the digits of (abs n) match the digits of (- (abs n)) 00:17:14 woe. 00:17:30 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 00:19:26 zRecursive [~czsq888@171.217.1.25] has joined #lisp 00:20:49 Quadrescence: better subdivide for lists: http://paste.lisp.org/display/137920#3 00:22:13 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 00:22:14 Corvidium [~cosman246@c-24-143-118-11.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 00:22:18 (including a better choice of #\;) 00:24:07 ozialien_ [~ernest@ip98-167-217-56.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 00:25:10 -!- agumonkey [~agu@194.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:25:48 Quadrescence: for seq = sequence then (cdr seq) looks strangely like for seq on sequence 00:25:50 now I have found a great number of classes to handle menu transition in C++ 00:25:59 I wonder if I should redo them in a DSL 00:26:12 stassats, where do you see it 00:26:19 n-grams 00:27:17 and for i below (1+ (- (length sequence) n)) looks strangely like for i to (- (length sequence) n) 00:27:42 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@c-24-143-118-11.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:29:29 which in turn is a lookalike of "repeat (- (length sequence) n)" 00:29:49 repeat (1+ (- (length sequence) n)) 00:29:52 rather 00:30:14 chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-241-240-138.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:32:07 and your partition-if suspiciously lacks an argument to NIL 00:32:18 to MAP 00:33:30 -!- jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:34:45 stassats, why would you use :repeat if you're using the bound var? 00:34:57 oh you mean for the list case 00:37:00 why is equivalence-classes returning vectors instead of lists? 00:38:28 -!- k_89 [~k@182.68.187.161] has left #lisp 00:38:47 doseq doesn't seem to have a nil-block and tagbody 00:39:22 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.24.196] has joined #lisp 00:40:44 Greetings! 00:41:37 do the numbers inside the {} on the default print-object method are its position in memory? 00:41:50 yes 00:41:51 something like that 00:41:56 *PuercoPop* nods 00:42:05 it's called location 00:42:11 or address 00:42:35 usually includes tags as well 00:43:33 tags? So location is a unique identifier for the compiler I take? 00:44:01 tags describing its type 00:44:19 -!- cddr [~user@c-66-30-116-130.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:44:21 KoshNaranek [~don@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 00:44:51 ah, I thought it was the class. Starting to reed through Keene's CLOS book. So type's predate the CLOS and every object has a type right? 00:44:56 stassats, i used vectors because they were easier to push onto. I could use FIND-EQUIV-CLASS, and just extend the vector, as opposed to finding a cons whose car I should push onto 00:44:59 and t unifies types and classes 00:45:22 Quadrescence: in slice: collect x into s finally (return s) is quaint 00:45:44 stassats, ha! 00:46:06 I'm not sure I like the name "slice" anyway. It's more like "pick" 00:46:31 and it's arbitrarily limited to lists, and the list version is inefficient 00:46:44 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:46:53 PuercoPop: you're thinking too much into it 00:47:12 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 00:47:27 Quadrescence: i'm not even sure what it's supped to do 00:47:35 *PuercoPop* nods. I'm just writing a tutorial as I go so I don't want to mislead people 00:47:53 stassats, the origin of the function was from slow FFT code I wrote, where I picked every even and odd element of a sequence 00:48:15 from maybe 3 years ago 00:48:26 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 00:51:27 Quadrescence: (defun ncycle (list) (nconc list list)) 00:52:14 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Quit: going home] 00:52:17 yes 00:52:45 harish [~harish@cm32.zeta224.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #lisp 00:52:56 stassats, i think the CYCLE and NCYCLE stuff might be superseded by stuff in Alexandria. 00:53:06 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 00:53:23 something like MAKE-CIRCULAR-LIST. But I didn't look too much into it. Maybe you know. 00:54:20 Bike_ [~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 00:55:15 Quadrescence: http://paste.lisp.org/display/137920#4 00:57:06 estebistec [~estebiste@72.133.228.205] has joined #lisp 00:59:22 Quadrescence: (defun list-to-vector (list) (coerce list 'vector)) 00:59:31 -!- estebistec [~estebiste@72.133.228.205] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:59:51 same for sequence-to-list 00:59:55 estebistec [~estebiste@72.133.228.205] has joined #lisp 01:00:08 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:00:13 stassats, is it possible for coerce to be constant folded and not produce a fresh seq? 01:00:45 it is, but there's no such contract imposed by you 01:00:58 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 01:01:53 and implode: (coerce list-to-vector 'string) 01:02:54 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:03:40 technically implode and explode aren't even true to their heritage 01:03:53 I'm just curious, which theme do everybody use for lisp code? 01:04:12 hitecnologys, you mean color scheme? 01:04:21 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:04:35 Quadrescence: yep 01:04:55 i am just using emacs default 01:04:55 Quadrescence: I'm just used to call this "theme", sorry 01:05:04 Quadrescence: and tails: (loop collect list while list do (pop list)) 01:05:27 stassats, I always forget you can pop the list and that won't actually modify it :( 01:05:42 s/used to call/used to calling/ 01:06:14 hitecnologys: i use the default emacs one, set to minimal decoration 01:06:31 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:07:28 with (setq slime-additional-font-lock-keywords nil font-lock-maximum-decoration '((lisp-mode . nil) (emacs-lisp-mode . nil) (scheme-mode . nil) (t . t))) 01:07:43 -!- harish [~harish@cm32.zeta224.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:09:34 I use a bit modified monokai colors which I took from my vim. Let's try default one. 01:09:46 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 01:11:08 Quadrescence: rerank-array, you can just use adjust-array instead of displacing 01:12:23 stassats, is this what you had in mind with doseq: http://paste.lisp.org/display/137920#5 01:12:52 -!- zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:13:42 yes 01:14:40 stassats, I very vaguely recall there was some limitation to adjust-array 01:15:16 your rerank-array is badly specified, so, maybe it doesn't suit 01:15:37 -!- estebistec [~estebiste@72.133.228.205] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:16:27 stassats, What is poorly specified about "change the dimensions"? 01:16:43 what happens when there's not enough elements? 01:17:08 I can see why that is badly specified (edge cases), but not the fundamental meaning of the operation. 01:17:47 and it says it changes the dimensions, but the name is about rank 01:18:28 drmeister 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Actually I'm not even sure what happens if you try to rerank an empty array to an empty array 01:42:57 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:43:57 Is this correct?: (array-total-size #0A0) ==> 1 01:44:07 yes it is 01:44:18 it has 0 01:44:22 as an element 01:45:30 namtsui` [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:45:33 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:46:33 scharan [~scharan@caps04.cs.ucr.edu] has joined #lisp 01:46:35 ozialien_ [~ernest@ip98-167-217-56.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:47:27 pjb` [~t@AMontsouris-651-1-34-198.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 01:47:33 dim` [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has joined #lisp 01:47:38 -!- harish [~harish@119.234.185.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:47:52 foom2 [jknight@nat/google/x-zjbvggxfszxikays] has joined #lisp 01:47:58 abend_ 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#lisp 01:50:38 JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-210-215.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 01:50:41 cmatei [~cmatei@78.96.108.142] has joined #lisp 01:50:48 gko [gko@2400:8900::f03c:91ff:fe70:e605] has joined #lisp 01:50:50 joooooo [setmeaway3@119.201.52.138] has joined #lisp 01:50:59 tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:34d5:401d:b3ee:137e] has joined #lisp 01:51:38 I am wondering if anyone can propose a better way to do this: http://paste.lisp.org/display/137923 01:51:50 paddymahoney [~patrick@198-84-186-52.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 01:52:04 yroeht [~yroeht@x.yroeht.eu] has joined #lisp 01:52:39 I don't think that there's a better way to do what you've done there without doing what you've done there. 01:52:46 namtsui`` [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:53:14 sauerkrause [~krause@cpe-24-55-25-199.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:53:20 stassats` [~stassats@pppoe.95-55-189-180.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #lisp 01:53:27 http://quickutil.org/list?q=array-list 01:53:34 -!- michaeljmcd [~michael@ip70-178-95-137.ks.ks.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:53:51 i bet you could use row-major-aref at least 01:53:52 michaeljmcd [~michael@ip70-178-95-137.ks.ks.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:53:58 that is what i was thinking 01:54:16 to replace that ugly apply 01:54:23 sad0ur_ [~sad0ur@ip-89-102-144-158.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 01:54:30 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 01:54:31 _schulte1 [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:54:33 stopbit [~stopbit@198.178.121.206] has joined #lisp 01:54:43 Patzy_ [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 01:54:46 flip214_ [~marek@86.59.100.100] has joined #lisp 01:54:48 chr` [~user@148.122.202.244] has joined #lisp 01:55:34 acieroid [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has joined #lisp 01:56:04 Jubb_ [~Jubb@pool-72-66-105-188.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:57:20 chameco [~samuel@95.sub-70-215-2.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 01:57:22 sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:58:49 EvW1 [~Thunderbi@a82-92-190-215.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 01:58:57 If the only concern is going through the array to get back to the list, then check out my reply to your paste. 01:59:18 -!- namtsui` [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:59:19 -!- stopbit_ [~stopbit@198.178.121.206] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:59:19 -!- [1]JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-210-215.cust.tele2.se] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:59:19 -!- jfe [~jfe@ool-18bfe75c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:59:19 -!- Jubb [~Jubb@pool-72-66-105-188.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:59:20 -!- sad0ur [~sad0ur@ip-89-102-144-158.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:59:20 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:59:20 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] 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I didn't see the implementation of array-list. 02:06:01 cdidd [~cdidd@176.14.200.244] has joined #lisp 02:06:02 -!- Artheist [~quassel@bas11-montreal28-1176352432.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:06:21 patrickwonders, Zhivago asked and I pasted the link 02:06:26 http://quickutil.org/list?q=array-list 02:06:29 Artheist [~quassel@bas11-montreal28-1176352432.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 02:06:34 naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has joined #lisp 02:06:36 (click "Source Code") 02:06:41 Quadrescence: i'd also remove the error part 02:06:51 without it (array-list #0A1) => 1 02:07:25 Okay it looks like my client dropped a whole bunch of stuff that I see in the logs 02:08:51 stassats`, then should the name really be "array-list"? 02:08:53 oGMo [~rpav@ec2-54-235-67-4.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 02:09:00 yes 02:09:21 no 02:09:24 array-contents 02:09:52 i like that better 02:09:54 Borbus [borbus@85.17.58.106] has joined #lisp 02:10:07 (make-array () :initial-contents 1) => #0A1 02:11:00 right 02:11:39 so that (array-list (make-array () :initial-contents X)) => X 02:11:44 so that (array-list (make-array D :initial-contents X)) => X 02:12:02 yes 02:12:24 naeg [~naeg@170-18-182-46.NbIServ.com] has joined #lisp 02:12:53 doomlord_ [~servitor@host86-145-105-238.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 02:12:53 harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-yjkpzcxzppkglzau] has joined #lisp 02:12:53 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 02:13:21 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 02:13:42 arbscht [~arbscht@60-234-133-173.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #lisp 02:14:16 ezakimak [~nick@72.250.219.55] has joined #lisp 02:14:20 so (setf (array-contents foo) '((1 2 3) (3 2 1))) ==> #2A((1 2 3) (3 2 1)) ? ;) 02:15:16 adeht, not a bad idea! :D 02:15:20 should be pretty doable with stassats's version 02:15:47 -!- Artheist [~quassel@bas11-montreal28-1176352432.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:16:28 Quadrescence: well I intended it as a joke.. there are so many things that can be provided a setf form but would be quite weird :) 02:17:28 reminiscent of (setf (cos x) 1.0) ==> 0.0 02:17:50 haha 02:18:21 also doable! and if something's doable, it must be a good idea 02:18:28 i bet with enough MOP and enough beer, you could write, to some extent, an inverse function solver :) 02:18:52 (setf (http-request "http://mysite.com/blog.html") my-new-blog-page) ;) 02:19:16 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:19:39 you're thinking outside of the box, and I like it 02:19:44 adeht: and not 6.28318? 02:19:49 Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has joined #lisp 02:19:59 "now for this setf expander you'll need to specify a branch cut..." 02:20:06 Bike, hahaha 02:20:20 stassats: why not indeed?.. 02:20:22 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 02:20:37 Bike: i'd prefer a cat brunch 02:24:15 -!- chameco [~samuel@95.sub-70-215-2.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:24:18 -!- Z_Mass [~zmassia@bas1-cornwall24-1279267682.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:24:53 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 02:25:52 stassats: it kinds reminds me of constraint programming à la streamer.. 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I was surprised, usually you sound so reserved :) 03:50:04 -!- michaeljmcd [~michael@ip70-178-95-137.ks.ks.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:50:34 -!- stassats` [~stassats@pppoe.95-55-189-180.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:50:58 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:51:22 michaeljmcd [~michael@ip70-178-95-137.ks.ks.cox.net] has joined #lisp 03:51:56 k0001 [~k0001@host154.181-1-202.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 03:52:26 Triclops256 [~Triclops2@199.19.116.207] has joined #lisp 03:52:28 v 03:52:30 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 03:53:41 -!- chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-241-240-138.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:55:19 shrug 03:55:28 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:55:43 the auxilary macro i mentioned is check-type-eval, which is exactly like check-type except for evaluating its type argument. not necessary but kinda nice 03:56:51 syrinx [~quassel@ip68-1-175-223.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 03:57:42 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-211-11-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 04:00:02 Bike, sounds potentially useful 04:00:15 Bike, i am trying to work one of your examples but it's not quite working 04:00:21 ? 04:00:45 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:50 CL-USER> (style-warn "foo ~S" "bar") ==> Error: NIL does not designate a condition class. 04:00:54 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 04:01:20 catmtking [~catmtking@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 04:01:37 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 04:03:15 Quadrescence: (coerce-to-condition "foo ~s" "bar" 'simple-style-warning 'style-warning) works here, hm 04:03:26 Bike, is the subtypep correct? Why check if DATUM is a subtype of supertype? 04:04:15 so that (style-warn 'division-by-zero ...) or the like fails. 04:04:19 clhs 9.1.2.1 04:04:28 oh, no specbot. 04:04:43 ahhh 04:04:54 i suppose it's not mandated, though. 04:05:39 i suppose the sb-kernel definition it's basically copied from doesn't bother. 04:05:39 Bike, I suppose (make-condition 'simple-style-warning) is failing for me 04:06:03 well, it's not a standard type 04:06:05 but that is from alexandria 04:06:08 right 04:06:15 so that is why it was failing for me, sorry 04:06:23 i figured you could work it out since you had it in qtl :P 04:06:42 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:07:12 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@120.153.86.174] has joined #lisp 04:07:16 odd though, i thought that might be happening so i tried it with a wrong name and it didn't say anything about nil. 04:09:28 -!- Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:09:35 beautiful: http://quickutil.org/list?q=coerce-to-condition 04:10:37 that was fast. 04:11:03 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:11:06 only 4 hrs late 04:11:09 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:11:45 fenton [~fenton@49.231.98.139] has joined #lisp 04:11:47 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 04:11:50 Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has joined #lisp 04:12:48 -!- Triclops256 is now known as Triclops256|away 04:14:03 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 04:14:19 Bike [~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 04:15:04 are there some standard libraries that would do things like tilde expansion for pathnames etc? my first hit on google is a file Xach wrote a few years ago... 04:18:52 -!- ryankarason is now known as rk[zzz] 04:20:57 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:22:56 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 04:24:18 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:25:41 -!- paddymahoney [~patrick@198-84-186-52.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:27:00 -!- Fare is now known as Guest85287 04:27:00 -!- abend_ is now known as Guest51570 04:27:00 -!- Quadrescence is now known as Guest73575 04:27:01 -!- zacharias_ is now known as Guest73187 04:27:01 -!- mtd_ is now known as Guest68358 04:27:01 -!- syrinx is now known as Guest91936 04:27:49 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-153-115.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:28:12 fmu [~^fmu@unaffiliated/fmu] has joined #lisp 04:29:33 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:31:04 drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 04:31:23 -!- Guest91936 is now known as syrinx 04:31:53 -!- syrinx is now known as Guest98686 04:32:04 -!- Guest98686 [~quassel@ip68-1-175-223.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye, Blue Sky.] 04:32:05 -!- setmeaway2 [setmeaway3@119.201.52.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:32:08 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 04:32:24 syrinx_ [~quassel@ip68-1-175-223.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 04:32:24 -!- syrinx_ [~quassel@ip68-1-175-223.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Changing host] 04:32:24 syrinx_ [~quassel@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has joined #lisp 04:35:07 krsree [~sreekumar@125.16.89.134] has joined #lisp 04:42:50 -!- Guest73575 is now known as Quadrescence 04:43:07 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@c-24-4-5-176.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 04:43:07 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 04:44:10 Karl_dscc [~localhost@ipdsw03.informatik.fh-schmalkalden.de] has joined #lisp 04:45:03 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@120.153.86.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:46:12 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@120.153.86.174] has joined #lisp 04:48:09 -!- zophy_ [~sy@host-30-23-2-96.midco.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:49:25 -!- weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:49:58 weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 04:53:14 protist [~protist@28.172.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has joined #lisp 04:53:36 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@ipdsw03.informatik.fh-schmalkalden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:53:47 Bike [~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 04:53:54 fenton: I don't think so. 04:56:23 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-211-11-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:58:54 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:59:59 Xach: did you upgrade quicklisp to use asdf3? 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The slash packages are a huge pain. 05:04:49 if they are, why use them at all? You can use uiop: or asdf: for everything 05:04:58 Sorry, slash systems. 05:05:09 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:05:18 The packages are a minor pain, printing with slashes even if I prefer to refer to them without. 05:05:26 are they? how are they worse than previous multiple systems in a .asd ? 05:05:59 Because I can no longer name files after systems, as I frequently do. 05:06:06 I mean, it's backwards compatible 05:06:07 Not in the simplest way possible, anyway. 05:06:12 oh 05:06:29 Bike [~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 05:06:41 can't you keep naming them after the "principal" system that the .asd is named after? 05:06:42 The system name is the key, and looking it up on disk gets the data I need. 05:06:53 Yes, sure, I just have to rewrite everything that relates to it. 05:07:10 I mean, the .asd file has to be loaded, anyway 05:08:00 can't you "just" normalize using primary-system-name before loading? 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I found many examples of "generators" implemented with call/cc on the net, and they are using set! to alter the stored continuation; is it possible to do the same without set!? 11:59:28 pranavrc [~pranavrc@122.164.182.223] has joined #lisp 11:59:39 xecycle: you mistyped #scheme 11:59:50 xecycle: this channel is about common lisp 11:59:57 stassats: Hmm I assumed this is for general lisp, sorry 12:00:00 the keys are right next to each other, it's understandable 12:00:52 xecycle: You're already in #scheme, why not ask there? 12:01:38 Triclops256: And I already asked there. No one had replied yet. 12:01:46 Ah 12:02:08 xecycle: no reason to ask here. you'd not ask a java question in #javascript just because you got no answer in #java, or would you? 12:02:34 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has quit [Quit: Must not waste too much time here...] 12:02:55 H4ns: Well I know Java and Javascript are unrelated; but scheme is a dialect of lisp, after all. 12:02:58 it's more fun to ask c++ questions in #c, the subsequent 2 hour arguments are always interesting to watch 12:03:09 haha 12:03:28 xecycle: not much more than java and javascript both being c "dialects" 12:03:31 H4ns: of course not, javascript is a lisp, so it'd be #lisp too! 12:03:31 (also a better analogy) 12:03:35 H4ns: I think the difference is because "lisp" is a term for the general category of languages. 12:04:00 Triclops256: only that this channel is about common lisp 12:04:26 stassats: I didn't think it was the first time I typed "/join #lisp" a few months ago 12:04:58 Triclops256: wat? 12:04:59 people have that ability, to learn new concepts 12:05:10 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #lisp 12:05:33 I would have assumed #common-lisp was the common-lisp channel if I never joined #lisp before 12:05:37 Well. I think we generally describe scheme and common lisp as the two most popular dialects of lisp; and this channel is named #lisp rather than #common-lisp. From the topic I can guess that we are about common lisp, but I cannot infer that by the name. 12:06:03 (...) 12:06:15 every goddamn time 12:06:41 If someone didn't read the topic, (looks at xecycle), then that could be confusing, but, technically, is still their fault. 12:07:09 people complaining about #lisp about not being about lisp is so old 12:07:18 >_< yes, it is my fault. 12:07:18 -!- jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has quit [Client Quit] 12:07:21 I'm not complaining 12:07:35 just stating that it's not fully intuitive 12:07:52 it's about common lisp, if you're mistaken, you'll be directed to the right channel, no need to even discuss it 12:07:57 Triclops256: are you suggesting that we, the common lisp programmers, should leave this channel to those who cannot read the topic? 12:08:10 H4ns: Did I ever say that? 12:08:28 Triclops256: no, but i get the impression from your continued involvement 12:08:34 H4ns: I'm saying that whomever doesn't read the topic is in the wrong. 12:08:46 xecycle: you're wrong. there you have it. 12:09:44 it's amazing that someone asking a scheme question in here turns into an argument even if it's not about programming at all 12:09:56 it's easy to write a common lisp in Perl 12:09:57 where there's a will, there's a way I guess 12:10:08 jagaj: who'd turn a good old smuggish debate on how scheme is not lisp? 12:10:13 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.158] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:10:16 Well yeah I rarely read the topic. Once I ran into #homebrew to ask what shall be in #machomebrew. 12:10:29 H4ns: touché (?) 12:10:49 H4ns: i would turn it down, since i know for a fact that it isn't lisp 12:10:54 xecycle: Maybe you should start reading the topic, then. 12:10:57 -!- ASau [~user@p5797EC29.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:11:13 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:11:41 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 12:13:57 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:16:15 ASau [~user@p5797EC29.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 12:16:34 -!- nha_ [~prefect@koln-4d0b101a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:19:17 -!- Joreji [~thomas@145-017.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:20:42 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 12:23:20 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 12:23:26 Kinda lonely in #common-lisp 12:30:19 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and doesn't have another channel. Every other lisp either has its own(emacs lisp) or is a "lisp inpired language" like scheme or clojure 13:10:37 what's to discuss about "lisp dialects in general"? 13:11:06 I believe discussing maclisp might be slighly on topic for example. 13:11:19 certainly more on topic than this meta discussion :) 13:11:33 -!- ivan\ [~ivan@108-213-76-179.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:11:33 ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined #lisp 13:11:46 lol yeah there's furious development going on in the world of maclisp 13:11:52 -!- billstclair is now known as Guest86727 13:11:52 -!- eli is now known as Guest82212 13:11:52 -!- lemoinem is now known as Guest15101 13:11:52 -!- Natch is now known as Guest86994 13:11:52 -!- araujo is now known as Guest89658 13:11:53 -!- jdz is now known as Guest7424 13:11:53 -!- fmu is now known as Guest50827 13:11:53 -!- syrinx is now known as Guest66589 13:11:53 -!- felipe is now known as Guest82751 13:11:53 -!- xristos is now known as Guest33451 13:11:53 -!- new is now known as Guest22946 13:11:54 -!- aeth is now known as Guest62890 13:11:56 -!- Khisanth is now known as Guest45844 13:11:57 -!- ISF is now known as Guest86710 13:12:36 Someone still uses maclisp? Wow. 13:12:36 -!- mrcs [~matt@dsl-173-206-68-24.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:12:37 -!- Guest33451 is now known as xristos` 13:12:46 -!- xristos` is now known as xristos 13:12:56 mal___: well, every once in a while there are discussions about history of lisp or the lisp machine dialects 13:13:31 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85.130.70.65] has quit [Quit: Quiting] 13:13:32 at this point I think you'll have to run the emulator in an emulator to have a hw where maclisp is available for 13:13:52 pavelpenev [~quassel@85.130.70.65] has joined #lisp 13:14:06 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:14:06 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:14:06 -!- ASau [~user@p5797EC29.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:14:06 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:14:06 -!- setmeaway2 [~setmeaway@119.201.52.138] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:14:06 -!- gienah 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I know it involved the use of let. 16:05:29 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 16:05:39 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:07:45 patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 16:07:54 -!- hwiersma [~hwiersma@d50-92-237-119.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:08:57 -!- BitPuffin_ [~quassel@s193-13-104-175.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12:21 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@96.69-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 16:12:21 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@96.69-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Changing host] 16:12:21 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 16:12:29 drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 16:13:58 -!- jagaj [~AdmiralBu@pool-71-99-141-240.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: jagaj] 16:15:20 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:15:59 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 16:16:41 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-yhgapcjpltfbiujs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:17:01 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 16:17:27 ph88 [5597cc14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.151.204.20] has joined #lisp 16:18:09 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@aboj133.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:20:58 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:23:11 lifeng [~lifeng@218.22.21.23] has joined #lisp 16:25:18 -!- Joreji [~thomas@145-017.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:26:11 -!- jeremyheiler [~jeremyhei@cpe-72-230-245-1.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 16:26:18 Joreji [~thomas@145-017.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 16:27:37 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:28:21 specbot [~specbot@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 16:30:54 hwiersma [~hwiersma@S0106602ad08e475a.ok.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 16:33:08 krishnak` [~nkkarthik@50.11.87.144] has joined #lisp 16:34:16 -!- krishnak` [~nkkarthik@50.11.87.144] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:34:36 krishnak` [~krishnak@50.11.87.144] has joined #lisp 16:34:54 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:35:53 Oberon4278 [~dcrooksto@209-6-246-54.c3-0.wrx-ubr1.sbo-wrx.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 16:36:01 -!- msmith [~msmit297@23.31.147.162] has left #lisp 16:38:58 cfdm [~user@116.126.96.33] has joined #lisp 16:43:21 -!- chameco [~samuel@95.sub-70-215-2.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:49:06 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:49:08 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-155-103.netcologne.de] has left #lisp 16:49:37 sdemarre [~serge@91.180.99.116] has joined #lisp 16:51:38 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 16:52:54 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-155-103.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:54:27 -!- cfdm [~user@116.126.96.33] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56:04 icosahedron [~icosahedr@66.85.140.18] has joined #lisp 16:56:54 arubin [~arubin@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:56:59 Dumb question: Is it possible to write iOS apps in Common Lisp? 16:57:18 yes 16:57:28 Which version of CL will do that? 16:57:35 mocl 16:57:45 mocl? Okay. I will look that up. Thanks! 16:58:02 -!- galdor_ is now known as galdor 16:58:13 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:58:56 milosn [~milosn@user-5af507ad.broadband.tesco.net] has joined #lisp 16:58:58 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-226-213.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:59:20 also check out https://github.com/kriyative/ecl-iphone-builder .. though it may require some work 17:01:54 -!- ASau [~user@p5797EC29.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:02:24 -!- davazp [~user@187.Red-88-8-246.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03:04 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:03:33 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:04:18 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f757aea.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 17:06:13 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:06:26 ASau [~user@p5797EC29.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 17:07:41 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:08:09 drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 17:08:58 Xach, is the expected release of ql today, tomorrow, or sunday? 17:10:59 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 17:11:47 msmith [~msmit297@23.31.147.162] has joined #lisp 17:12:21 protist_ [~protist@230.172.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has joined #lisp 17:13:37 -!- protist_ [~protist@230.172.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has quit [Client Quit] 17:15:16 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 17:15:20 -!- Triclops256 is now known as Triclops256|away 17:15:49 -!- protist [~protist@147.172.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:17:12 ryankarason [~rak@stallman.cse.ohio-state.edu] has joined #lisp 17:17:17 BZaidan [~GreenLant@41.254.1.219.Huawei-TIP.WiMAX.dynamic.ltt.ly] has joined #lisp 17:17:46 AriaMK [~aria@c-71-193-24-118.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:19:09 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 17:19:34 can someone help me with the syntax to bind *package* to "my-package-name" ? I have (let ((*PACKAGE* 'my-package))) 17:20:17 msmith, (let ((*package (find-package "MY-PACKAGE-NAME"))) ...) 17:20:34 (One * missing there.) 17:20:40 dtw: thanks 17:22:31 -!- ogamita [~t@77.104.4.54] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:23:29 CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@138.23.57.82] has joined #lisp 17:24:27 -!- ASau [~user@p5797EC29.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:24:44 mcstar [~mcstar@adsl-89-134-18-232.monradsl.monornet.hu] has joined #lisp 17:25:03 _malicious [~cs@elderberry.cs.swarthmore.edu] has joined #lisp 17:27:09 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:27:28 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:28:30 drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 17:29:06 inkjetunito [~hf999@unaffiliated/inkjetunit] has joined #lisp 17:29:30 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.149.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 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for Emacs)] 18:52:21 barglfargl [~brglfrgl@66-168-203-39.dhcp.gsvl.ga.charter.com] has joined #lisp 18:53:51 -!- yati [~yati@122.169.75.169] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:54:41 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 18:59:19 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 19:03:16 nilsi [~nilsi@109.58.73.132.bredband.tre.se] has joined #lisp 19:04:39 ayeaye92 [c7f62836@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.199.246.40.54] has joined #lisp 19:06:04 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.149.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 19:06:53 Hello! 19:08:06 -!- BZaidan [~GreenLant@41.254.1.219.Huawei-TIP.WiMAX.dynamic.ltt.ly] has quit [Quit: "This message will terminate in 5, 4, 3.141592653589793..."] 19:09:17 -!- ffilozov [~user@84.77.187.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:09:39 hello 19:09:45 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:11:34 I've just recently started learning CL and thought that it would be a good idea to hang around the irc channel :) 19:11:39 Joreji_ [~thomas@145-017.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 19:12:38 ayeaye92: you're welcome 19:12:48 msmith [~msmit297@23.31.147.162] has joined #lisp 19:13:59 -!- ferada [~ferada@37.221.196.86] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:14:54 I'm actually a little bit upset that I haven't been exposed/taken time to learn it until now :P 19:15:56 -!- Guest45844 is now known as Khisanth 19:16:00 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:16:02 nug700 [~nug700@174-26-159-207.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:16:18 -!- hpd [~hpd@hpdeifel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:17:04 ayeaye92: have you set up things like Quicklisp, SLIME (for emacs users) etc? They make things a lot more pleasant 19:18:29 QuickLisp, no. I've been an emacs power user (if that's what you want to call it) for around 4 years though so SLIME was an easy to setup and get running with. Some of it's features are incredibly nice. 19:19:14 I had hacked together a few elisp programs before but beyond that I haven't looked into lisp until a few weeks age 19:19:28 hadn't* 19:19:32 hpd [~hpd@hpdeifel.de] has joined #lisp 19:19:39 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:20:07 okay. that's good. Most here would recommend QL when you need some libraries 19:21:02 ATuin [~atuin@95.61.208.154] has joined #lisp 19:21:22 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:21:24 SBCL and CCL seem to be the most commonly used open source implementations. SLIME + QL + A decent implementation, and you're all set 19:21:36 -!- ASau [~user@p5797FE22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:21:44 I've read that QL is nice, once I'm in need of libraries I'll definitely check it out. I've just been learning the core language so far, and once I have a decent base knowledge I'll find a fun project to do 19:21:57 anyone mind sharing their opinion? http://paste.lisp.org/+2YFC 19:22:04 jackdaniel [~jack@c65-85.icpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 19:22:15 I'm using SBCL because slime-asdf didn't work with CLisp 19:22:20 (no clue why) 19:22:30 ayeaye92, use INTERN 19:22:43 o/ 19:22:44 (intern "MYVAR" :my-package) 19:23:19 <|3b|> msmith: possibly you want to import the symbol MYVAR from MY-PACKAGE into whatever package you try to use it from? 19:23:26 sorry, msmith ** 19:23:27 ferada [~ferada@37.221.196.86] has joined #lisp 19:23:44 <|3b|> and possibly also learn more about how packages and symbols work in CL 19:23:46 ASau [~user@p5797FE22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:24:04 msmith, (gethash (intern "MYVAR" :my-package) (get-my-hash "my-hash")) 19:25:35 <|3b|> find-symbol might be better than intern, if you really need to do it at runtime, though you should check for it failing to find it in that case 19:25:43 Possibly relevant? http://weitz.de/packages.html 19:26:18 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:26:44 |3b|, given that they're keys, I was assuming they maybe wouldn't exist. 19:26:51 <|3b|> but at that point you are looking up a string in a hash table (or similar structure internal to the package) just to get a key to use in another hash table, which suggests the hash table should have just been keyed by strings in the first place 19:27:40 <|3b|> Quadrescence: if they are never being used as symbols anywhere else, interning them just to use as a key is a bit silly :) 19:27:58 *Quadrescence* shrugs. 19:28:00 chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-241-240-138.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:28:02 -!- barglfargl [~brglfrgl@66-168-203-39.dhcp.gsvl.ga.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:28:04 icosahedron [~icosahedr@66.85.140.18] has joined #lisp 19:28:05 I don't know what he is doing, I just know what he asked. 19:30:40 |3b| the problem with importing the symbols is that I have several different hashes in the same package, and each hash may have the same key 19:32:15 find-symbol may be my best option 19:32:33 use sxhash to get uniq keys, if are common in few hashes then represent same thing 19:33:55 tmokros [~tmokros@ip72-196-149-92.cl.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 19:34:42 -!- nha_ [~prefect@koln-4d0b101a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:36:35 <|3b|> sxhash doesn't make any guarantees about uniqueness does it? 19:36:53 nope. 19:36:56 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@96.69-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 19:36:56 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@96.69-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Changing host] 19:36:56 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 19:37:14 <|3b|> msmith: 'hashes' aren't "in packages" only symbols are in packages, so not sure what you mean 19:37:26 in a single session are uniq 19:37:52 not necessarily. 19:38:03 ? 19:38:26 it's specified that "(equal x y) implies (= (sxhash x) (sxhash y))" but not the converse. 19:38:40 it doesn't have to be a perfect hash function. which, you know, makes sense. 19:39:11 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@108-225-26-178.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:39:15 aha, ok, but this is enought if you compute keys every session 19:39:22 -!- Triclops256 is now known as Triclops256|away 19:40:07 Ha, Edi's jab at ASDF: "Basically, [ASDF] is just a bunch of code with no exact specification of what it's supposed to do and with different release versions which are likely not compatible with each other. Go figure" 19:40:21 -!- ASau [~user@p5797FE22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:40:28 <|3b|> if i read spec right, sxhash could always return 5 and technically be conforming, if not following the intent of the spec 19:40:41 |3b|: well the keys (symbols) are namespaced to the package I was in when the hash was created. 19:41:21 <|3b|> right, but i don't see how multiple hash tables with same keys means you can't use strings as the keys 19:41:42 <|3b|> if you have multiple keys in 1 hash table with the same SYMBOL-NAME, that would be different 19:42:05 <|3b|> but it sounds like all of the keys in 1 hash table are in 1 package so there wouldn't be conflicts 19:42:52 |3b|: it doesn't, I was using symbols but I think I will change that. 19:43:18 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:44:00 yes, the keys are in one package but there are several tables defined in that package, each needing to use the same keys but with different values 19:44:09 <|3b|> ah, i guess you meant you couldn't import same-named keys from multiple packages? if they are only used as keys, another option would be to have a common package for key names that all of them share 19:44:20 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 19:44:54 <|3b|> i guess i still don't understand what we are talking about :p 19:45:15 but, your suggestions have helped thanks 19:45:33 jangle [~jimmy1984@dsl-164.7-238.gtb.net] has joined #lisp 19:45:37 at least to get me to think about other ways to approach the problem 19:46:56 -!- Guest82212 is now known as eli 19:47:32 From what I understand (correct me if I'm wrong), he was using symbols so that he didn't have a bunch of string instances floating around with the same value because the value would be repeated in different hash functions within the same package 19:48:09 So by using symbols there would only be one interned symbol used for all hash tables. 19:48:11 statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-000-032.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 19:48:29 *|3b|* 's understanding is that he didn't understand packages so tried to do things in a way that wouldn't work :) 19:49:03 maybe the 19:49:25 maybe the 'dynamic' is the problem here, :) 19:51:06 |3b| you understand wrong, I think. I understand packages well enough, sometimes there are one off situations that call for different ways of doing things. 19:51:14 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:51:30 -!- _malicious [~cs@elderberry.cs.swarthmore.edu] has left #lisp 19:52:22 msmith: Did what I say somewhat go along with your reasoning? 19:52:25 like loading programaticaly a package at runtime? 19:54:00 ASau [~user@p5797FE22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:54:08 *|3b|* wouldn't call thinking about (append 'package:: 'name) "understanding packages" :) 19:55:14 victor_lowther [~victor.lo@ip-64-134-29-191.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 19:55:32 Are the comments starting with a * from minion? :P 19:56:03 <|3b|> no, just a different way of sending messages to irc for people who like to talk in 3rd person 19:56:11 drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 19:56:14 ayeaye92, no, try /me message 19:56:21 *|3b|* is one of those people 19:57:03 -!- codeburg [~folker@85.183.24.157] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:57:25 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@145-017.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:57:28 *ayeaye92* finds this interesting... 19:57:46 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:57:56 *rszeno* then read about irc commands, :) 19:58:19 (A) 19:58:38 is there an irc client written in common lisp? 19:58:49 <|3b|> minion: tell Teratogen about beirc 19:58:50 beirc: No definition was found in the first 5 lines of http://www.cliki.net/beirc 19:59:23 *|3b|* should send a patch for that to cliki devs or something, since bug report didn't seem to help 19:59:34 emacs have another two 20:00:14 <|3b|> emacs has at least 3 that i know of 20:00:30 is there an API reference for the C++ layer of ECL? 20:00:38 i know only about two, :) 20:00:59 <|3b|> erc, circe, rcirc 20:01:21 thank you, i miss circe 20:01:22 -!- lduros [~user@pool-108-52-158-77.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:01:22 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 20:02:23 <|3b|> emacswiki lists 9 of them 20:03:06 -!- msmith [~msmit297@23.31.147.162] has left #lisp 20:04:18 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 20:04:51 drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 20:05:01 Joreji_ [~thomas@145-017.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 20:06:13 -!- ATuin [~atuin@95.61.208.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:07:08 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:07:38 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 20:09:13 -!- cross_ [cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:09:31 One thing that I've wondered learning the language is why is the number of "implementation defined" items so large? It seems that in order to write portable code you have to have #+impl-name all over the place 20:09:45 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@145-017.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:09:56 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-237-57-201.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:09:57 nah. 20:10:21 Well, you wouldn't want to compare it with C, then. 20:11:00 But there are some places where the implementation leaks through awkwardly -- upgraded-array-element-type being one of my favourites. 20:11:32 I haven't run into that one yet :P You would think that there would be more unification between the implementation of things 20:11:56 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5B2B0D5D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:11:58 what specifically are you thinking of? 20:11:59 I remember reading through PCL and the Pathnames Library section and half of the code was conditional on the implementation 20:12:13 ayeaye92, is a feature not a bug, :) you could put what is specific in specific file and build a interface for it, see quicklisp for example 20:12:14 oh, well, pathnames are pretty rough, yeah. 20:13:17 I agree that it could be a feature in some sense, but if there was no need for the interface layer, ie. every implementation exposed the same interface, then it would make it easier 20:13:39 -!- Myk267 [~myk@adsl-71-149-252-38.dsl.mtry01.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Myk267] 20:13:44 Well, it's hard for pathnames not to depend on the host idea of pathnames, except for logical-pathnames. 20:14:00 Myk267 [~myk@unaffiliated/myk267] has joined #lisp 20:14:13 I think using logical-pathnames as a virtual lisp filesystem makes sense, and then using namestrings for everything else. :) 20:14:53 yes but this mean to specifiy unclear things, is better to leave doors open 20:15:08 Okay, I'll grant you that 20:15:40 Being new to CL and all, it still baffles me that it's not more popular than it is! 20:15:51 cl-fad is pretty popular 20:16:01 i suppose it was more popular once 20:16:22 Bike: I was referring to Common Lisp (my bad, I kinda switched topics there haha) 20:18:00 Also, w.r.t. CL-FAD, it appears to be a really nice wrapper around all of the implementations. Now, why can't all of the implementations just make that (or some agreed interface) what they provide, thus eliminating a need for a library around it 20:18:56 Well, the post-CL world has converged on posix. 20:18:59 what's wrong with libraries? 20:19:16 CL implementations less so. 20:19:45 It similar to what the C++ standards committee has been doing, they use Boost as a testing ground and once there is a rock solid implementation and API, it (possibly) gets brought into the standard 20:20:24 nha_ [~prefect@koln-4d0b101a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 20:20:33 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:20:33 -!- ASau [~user@p5797FE22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:20:44 and brake everything was done before, create a new path which will be abandoned to the next great idea, :) 20:21:07 rszeno: There's nothing wrong with libraries, but there seems to be some core stuff that *should* be standardized and doesn't rely on a library 20:22:01 Haha, that sounds more like Java/javascript/python :P A lot of deliberation goes into adding something to the C++ standard, it's not just willy nilly haha 20:22:15 there are to some extent, what is not standardized is subject of fight between major forces, imo 20:23:10 I think we can agree that in today's day and age, a standardized interface to the filesystem is not a bad idea 20:23:31 Similarly for regex and probably a host of other things 20:23:35 simple to say hard to do, :) 20:23:54 regex is not standard and never was 20:24:25 I know it's not, I'm saying it would be nice if it was :) 20:24:47 aye: Why would it be nice to have regex part of the core standard and not implemented by a library? 20:25:33 because everyone have it's own idea about what is regex 20:25:50 Not the core standard, but if there was a set of standard libraries that were ubiquitous and worked on all implementations 20:26:14 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:26:16 ASau [~user@p5797FE22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:26:23 Then the core standard would only need to provide the primitive operations required for those standard libraries. 20:27:07 most of them including pcre are no longer regex since include something what belong to a context free grammar 20:28:52 -!- BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-034-009.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:28:57 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 20:29:37 i don't know, primitive for manipulating dfa in the core standard? 20:30:09 Zhivago: In essence, yes. And the "standard libraries" would ship with the compilers 20:30:34 Obviously niche things would not be included in the standard libraries, but all the building blocks would 20:31:43 ash, dbp, ldb, are already standard, everything else is a matter of taste imo :) 20:32:16 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:32:40 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 20:33:06 AeroNoti1 [~xeno@abom88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:34:41 BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-034-009.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:35:03 -!- nbouscal [~nbouscal@c-67-168-113-48.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has commenced electric sheep tracking protocol.] 20:35:33 as i see the problem making something standard is good when are few good solutions to do it, else is a to delay progress 20:36:09 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@aboj133.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:36:26 nbouscal [~nbouscal@c-67-168-113-48.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:36:28 alesguzik [~alesguzik@178.121.159.79] has joined #lisp 20:36:43 -!- inkjetunito [~hf999@unaffiliated/inkjetunit] has quit [Quit: qQQ] 20:38:24 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-20-32.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 20:38:45 Yes, but once you have an excellent solution to the problem, take filesystems for example, then why not standardize it? 20:39:19 Well, probably because the CL standards process is moribund. 20:39:57 i doubt there is a excelent solution for fs 20:40:27 which one is? 20:40:42 Isn't it called "everything is posix"? :) 20:40:59 Zhavago: That's really unfortunate because lisp is an incredibly nice language 20:41:02 -!- icosahedron [~icosahedr@66.85.140.18] has left #lisp 20:41:03 Actually, I guess with the html5 file apis, that isn't quite true anymore. 20:41:12 bsd, linux, mac? :) 20:41:28 sorry, html5 is a garbage 20:41:49 Well, #circlejerk is over there. 20:41:58 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:42:05 ok, :) 20:43:38 -!- natechan [~natechan@24.223.80.109] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 20:44:17 As a young CS studend, I would really like to see lisp gain a foothold again. It was really a breath of fresh air compared to all of the other languages that I've used 20:44:26 -!- isomorph1smes is now known as isomorphismes 20:44:44 Be the change you wish to see in the world 20:45:13 I'm working on it, gotta learn the ins and outs first though ;P 20:45:51 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 20:46:15 weie_ [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 20:47:34 -!- weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:48:05 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.149.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:49:04 -!- BBShortcut [~user@mar92-5-82-225-147-167.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:49:19 pyx [~pyx@24-212-148-106.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 20:51:04 -!- nha_ [~prefect@koln-4d0b101a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:51:57 ales-guzik [~alesguzik@178.121.169.130] has joined #lisp 20:55:21 -!- alesguzik [~alesguzik@178.121.159.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:56:03 CLSS [~usuario@200.8.143.118] has joined #lisp 20:56:40 -!- CLSS [~usuario@200.8.143.118] has left #lisp 20:56:44 -!- ales-guzik [~alesguzik@178.121.169.130] has quit [Client Quit] 20:56:51 ales-guzik [~alesguzik@178.121.169.130] has joined #lisp 20:59:26 Well, I've got to head out. Nice talking to you guys :) 21:01:00 -!- ayeaye92 [c7f62836@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.199.246.40.54] has quit [Quit: ayeaye92] 21:01:16 -!- pyx [~pyx@24-212-148-106.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 21:03:03 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@109.58.73.132.bredband.tre.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06:10 nilsi [~nilsi@109.58.73.132.bredband.tre.se] has joined #lisp 21:09:25 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.180.99.116] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:09:54 -!- pjb`` is now known as pjb 21:10:57 -!- ahungry [~null@66.184.106.97] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:17:01 -!- statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-000-032.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:17:03 Joreji_ [~thomas@145-017.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 21:17:15 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:18:16 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5B2B0D5D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21:27 -!- jdoles [~jdoles@unaffiliated/jdoles] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:21:34 -!- Borbus_ [borbus@85.17.58.106] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:21:53 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@145-017.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:21:55 -!- bejer [~bejer@1508892794.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:22:09 -!- gensym [~timo@85.158.178.76] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:22:27 -!- banjiewen [banjiewen@gateway/shell/cloudant/x-gyhmjhrxrzcqwpkc] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:23:04 Shady [Tom@host86-129-251-160.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 21:23:20 bejer [~bejer@1508892794.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 21:23:21 gensym [~timo@85.158.178.76] has joined #lisp 21:23:50 -!- samebchase [~samuel@codesurfers.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:24:03 samebchase [~samuel@codesurfers.net] has joined #lisp 21:24:13 -!- chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-241-240-138.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:24:21 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:24:58 Borbus [borbus@85.17.58.106] has joined #lisp 21:25:05 jdoles [~jdoles@unaffiliated/jdoles] has joined #lisp 21:25:11 walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 21:25:25 Common Lisp can easily be implemented in Perl 21:25:28 dnolen` [~user@rrcs-208-105-4-254.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:26:02 let's pack our things 21:26:13 banjiewen [banjiewen@gateway/shell/cloudant/x-hahhabduzjwhbwoa] has joined #lisp 21:26:14 let's go shopping! 21:26:22 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:27:03 -!- walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Client Quit] 21:27:22 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 21:27:22 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:32:49 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 21:33:12 If anyone is really board and really loves thinking about Common Lisp, feel free to read this and share your opinion with me: https://github.com/tarballs-are-good/quickutil/issues/19 21:33:19 really bored, rather :) 21:33:24 really board people are invited too. 21:33:38 i'm staunchly opposed 21:33:43 (haven't read it) 21:34:17 ;D 21:35:19 -!- fortitud1 [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:36:00 -!- ASau [~user@p5797FE22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:36:06 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:36:08 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f757aea.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:36:45 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.149.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 21:37:07 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 21:38:09 minion: memo for ayeaye92: the implementation dependant parts in the CL standard are there essentially for two reasons: 1- to give implementations freedom to be efficient or economical. 2- to be able to call Common Lisp the various dialects and implementations that existed at the time of the implementation with minimum effort and afterthought on the part of the implementors. 21:38:10 Remembered. I'll tell ayeaye92 when he/she/it next speaks. 21:38:26 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:38:35 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 21:39:26 -!- rk[zzz] is now known as ryankarason 21:41:42 bitonic [~user@ppp-25-187.27-151.libero.it] has joined #lisp 21:45:01 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.149.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:45:09 -!- Joreji [~thomas@145-017.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:45:17 ericmathison [~ericmathi@172-15-249-133.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:45:22 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:45:35 Joreji [~thomas@145-017.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 21:47:33 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:57:30 -!- Shady [Tom@host86-129-251-160.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:57:46 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:57:57 -!- bitonic [~user@ppp-25-187.27-151.libero.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:58:01 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@ip-64-134-29-191.public.wayport.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:58:51 in ECL, if I manually call ASDF:LOAD-SYSTEM from inside C, will the system be executed with the interpreter? 22:00:06 -!- jackdaniel [~jack@c65-85.icpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:01:31 -!- Thra11 [~Thra11@146.90.165.193] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 22:03:35 -!- mrcs [~matt@dsl-173-206-68-24.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:04:54 -!- ales-guzik [~alesguzik@178.121.169.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:10:07 -!- davorb_ is now known as davorb 22:10:30 ayeaye92 [~matt@dsl-173-206-68-24.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 22:11:08 Jubb [~Jubb@pool-72-66-105-188.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:14:38 -!- AeroNoti1 [~xeno@abom88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 22:16:00 -!- dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:16:42 alesguzik [~alesguzik@178.121.169.130] has joined #lisp 22:16:53 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:19:26 zRecursive [~czsq888@171.216.96.171] has joined #lisp 22:19:31 jrajav [~jrajav@71-82-124-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 22:21:14 -!- nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@wsip-68-15-43-240.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:21:50 that question doesn't make much sense 22:22:26 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-155-103.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:23:39 stassats: will the ASDF system be interpreted or compiled? 22:24:12 what does it mean for the asdf system to be interpreted? 22:24:55 what load-system usually performs is compile-file and load of resulting fasls 22:25:23 stassats: then it's compiled to bytecode, then the ECL interpreter run it 22:25:28 there's no differences from where you call asdf:load-system, manually or not 22:26:07 stassats: manually _from my C code_ 22:26:07 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:26:18 stassats: not from my CL code 22:26:26 what's the difference? 22:26:52 none. I see it now 22:26:54 asdf:load-system is CL code 22:27:29 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 22:27:36 but then, I could load an ASDF system, compile everything into a static library and link it against my C code, or I could load it manually. That's the difference 22:27:53 do you mean "load a system at runtime" 22:28:11 probably 22:29:07 -!- mcstar [~mcstar@adsl-89-134-18-232.monradsl.monornet.hu] has quit [Quit: mcstar] 22:32:57 ECL-android documentation is nil. I still don't understand how one would compile ECL code to an android static library 22:35:14 hmm since it's LGPL, static library distribution might also be problematic (it requires that users be able to relink to another version or compatible library if I recall correctly) 22:35:21 robot-be` [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:35:47 ... 22:35:51 that's true 22:36:05 maybe it doesn't matter if all the code is opensource, but I'm not sure 22:36:49 agumonkey [~agu@156.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 22:37:09 it's not 22:37:59 I could make a shared lib for the android project, but I guess it would be too much of a work 22:38:02 -!- angavrilov_ [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:38:02 Can android packages be archives and include dynamically linked objects? If so, is there an issue then with loading the ECL libraries? 22:38:10 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 22:38:47 ah, maybe some higher complexity at first to create the build/packing scripts indeed 22:39:12 the port I'm using compiles ECL to a static library 22:39:42 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:41:04 Joreji_ [~thomas@145-017.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 22:41:09 -!- ayeaye92 [~matt@dsl-173-206-68-24.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:41:43 ayeaye92 [~matt@dsl-173-206-68-24.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 22:42:54 -!- PuffTheMagic [uid3325@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gbajprgzgcbwjvfd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:00 -!- dotemacs [uid801@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jrhufvifevvguvmd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:00 -!- ggherdov [uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oxsiyjrpxkxgnpsu] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 22:43:00 -!- varjag [uid4973@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lwvtgolyqnqhsgtf] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:01 -!- rvirding [uid5943@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ujhnrfyeakfklykj] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:05 -!- d4gg4d [uid7020@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ynqsrjabjskfpqgz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:06 -!- NimeshNeema [uid2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sgeygdipyviknzdc] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 22:45:54 ... yeah, I'm seeing I would have many problems using the ECL port for android 22:45:57 damn :( 22:46:50 probably to link it into a DSO that exports only the JNI-callable interface 22:48:37 -!- Joreji [~thomas@145-017.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:49:29 p_l: what do you mean? 22:51:04 Denommus: you can link ECL as static library, link your lisp code as static library, then write just the JNI glue and link it with those static libraries into a dynamic library that is loadable by Dalvik 22:51:27 and there's a switch somewhere that compiles to DSOs 22:51:45 (indeed, an ECL fasl on most systems is a DSO) 22:51:56 brb 22:52:53 p_l: but then my lisp code would have to be LGPL, since it statically links ECL 22:53:27 p_l: and also the C and C++ codes, since it links my library 22:53:37 p_l: only the Java code, which is minimal, would avoid it 22:58:28 chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-241-240-138.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:05:50 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@71-82-124-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: phunq, sandwich store loop, WHAT NO UNIVERSE] 23:07:09 -!- __main__ [~main@50.240.201.241] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:07:17 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 23:08:25 __main__ [~main@50.240.201.241] has joined #lisp 23:11:06 -!- karswell [~user@87.114.92.76] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:13:22 davazp [~user@187.Red-88-8-246.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 23:14:18 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@109.58.73.132.bredband.tre.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:14:50 karswell [~user@87.114.92.76] has joined #lisp 23:18:33 vi1 [~vi1@93.92.216.186] has joined #lisp 23:20:48 ok, I sent an email to the ECL list 23:22:22 -!- ph88 [5597cc14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.151.204.20] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:23:10 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@145-017.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:24:10 spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 23:24:19 Joreji [~thomas@145-017.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 23:25:18 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:25:41 jxriddle [~jxriddle@74-132-175-208.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #lisp 23:29:14 -!- __main__ [~main@50.240.201.241] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:30:09 -!- nbouscal [~nbouscal@c-67-168-113-48.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has commenced electric sheep tracking protocol.] 23:31:24 __main__ [~main@50.240.201.241] has joined #lisp 23:34:13 -!- CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@138.23.57.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:37:11 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@5.144.62.162] has joined #lisp 23:37:38 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:44:23 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-77-150.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:46:39 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has quit [Quit: good night] 23:46:54 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:47:37 jrajav [~jrajav@71-82-124-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 23:59:52 -!- pierpa [~user@host204-228-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]