00:01:19 jxriddle [~jxriddle@74-132-175-208.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #lisp 00:01:48 LispWorks seems to optimize CASE a lot better than SBCL 00:02:06 Quadrescence: it just goes naturally in my style.. of course there are times when local functions make sense, or when I hack up some atrocious 50 lines function 00:03:01 adeht, I use defuns when I can, but when the defuns become very specific to a single function, and I end up having to pass around a lot of state (mutable or not), I'm not sure it's preferable 00:03:34 leo2007 [~leo@182.48.101.29] has joined #lisp 00:03:36 Quadrescence: sure.. then you need to weigh local functions vs. change in design 00:05:23 reading this http://bpaste.net/show/111042 in https://leanpub.com/lisphackers/read#edi-weitz-germany, are there videos around that are as inspiring? 00:09:03 leo2007: I think lispm had genera videos 00:10:17 adeht: is 'lispm' a nick? 00:11:34 leo2007: yes.. rainer joswig.. 00:12:57 leo2007: e.g., 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Java and C++ and C have similar syntax but are different languages. 04:08:25 so whats the big semantic changes that I don't know abotu 04:08:59 Scheme ha first-class continuations and Clojure has (builtin) immutable data structures, for example. 04:09:48 not gonna use first class continuations though, too confusing for anyone else who reads the code 04:09:52 Common Lisp got a imperative approach while Clojure has an Functional approach (for example) 04:10:06 -!- holycow [~holycow@host-216-251-135-194.bchsia.skywaywest.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 04:10:24 -!- leo2007 [~leo@182.48.101.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:11:40 -!- harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-yvpjwyayvlfelymw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:12:52 -!- sbaugh [~sbaugh@unaffiliated/sbaugh] has left #lisp 04:13:00 so people tell me that functional is better does that mean I should use clojure 04:13:32 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:15:11 chord: that is rather a personal opinion. People say functional is better, but i honestly believe it is a matter of taste 04:15:20 Try the different LISPs and find one you like. 04:15:45 harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-jwkogjdvbaftpvaf] has joined #lisp 04:16:49 -!- walter|rtn [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:17:32 walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:21:50 doomlord [~doomlod@host86-145-105-238.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 04:29:02 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 04:32:33 -!- Bike [~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:33:27 -!- _tca [~user@h151.25.91.207.static.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:34:24 so will functional dominate the multicore era? 04:34:57 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:35:22 Karl_dscc [~localhost@ipdsw03.informatik.fh-schmalkalden.de] has joined #lisp 04:35:35 chord: pure functional programs are easier to automatically parallelize 04:35:35 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-211-11-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:35:40 see: Data Parallel Haskell 04:36:10 chord: lisp is not purely functional 04:36:17 Bike_ [~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 04:36:37 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:37:08 so use clojure then? 04:37:19 clojure isn't pure either 04:38:03 off the top of my head, Haskell, SML, OCaml, and F# are the most popular pure functional languages, although I'm not sure if the last two can be described as completely pure 04:38:13 (or at least as close as you can be) 04:38:53 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:43:45 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.150.179.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:44:30 chord: fwiw, for a newcomer to lisp I'd probably recommend racket as a good place to start 04:47:06 *|3b|* wouldn't suggest expecting technical considerations to decide what will dominate any era 04:48:14 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.150.179.218] has joined #lisp 04:49:56 heh, good point 04:50:00 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.51.193] has joined #lisp 04:50:03 -!- ISF [~ivan@187.106.24.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:50:27 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@ipdsw03.informatik.fh-schmalkalden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:50:37 so your prediction then |3b| is ? 04:50:49 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 04:51:54 <|3b|> same as it has been... poorly written c++ and java and js and etc will continue to 'dominate' 04:52:10 but if you're starting from scratch... 04:52:23 nbouscal [~nbouscal@c-67-168-113-48.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:52:29 <|3b|> starting what from scratch, a planet? 04:52:49 -!- devoutful06 [~devoutful@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:53:19 |3b| you start a new company you then do what with zero code? 04:53:42 <|3b|> since i don't like hiring, and i like CL, i'd use CL 04:53:59 <|3b|> if i expected to need huge # of people, i might pick something else 04:54:20 <|3b|> or if i had a huge r&d budget for custom languages i might do that instead 04:55:21 <|3b|> in the new company was doing something that wasn't mostly software development, and there were already existing software and/or libs for that field in some specific language, that language would probably be a good choice 04:55:43 devoutful06 [~devoutful@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:56:08 |3b| suppose the new company was involved with the buzzwords, BIG DATA, machine learning, AI, vision, speech, NLP, etc... 04:56:46 then use whatever and sell it off before anyone realizes you're running a ponzi scheme, of course 04:56:47 <|3b|> in that case i'd focus on marketing and bizdev, and try to have a good exit strategy that didn't depend on whether the code actually worked or not :p 04:57:50 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 04:57:54 <|3b|> if you are doing r&d, use whatever language you are most comfortable with 04:58:22 you guys are giving me cope out easy answers 04:58:24 <|3b|> if you are running into the limitations of that language, try a bunch of others and see if they fix whatever problems you find most annoying in your best language 04:58:49 chord: hire some good programmers who know how to choose their tools and work on specifying the requirements in a manner that makes your experts choose the right tools for the job. 04:59:00 <|3b|> (and by 'bunch of languages' i mean a bunch of types... something like a lisp, haskell, forth, j, prolog, etc) 04:59:03 I don't think "choosing a language is hard and takes some thought, depending on your circumstances" is a copout. 04:59:12 "use CL, it's the best ever" probably would be though 04:59:35 <|3b|> yeah, "use CL, it's the best ever" is trivially correct, so is obviously cheating :) 04:59:55 zRecursive [~czsq888@171.217.199.237] has joined #lisp 05:00:08 what is CL 05:00:22 chord: see topic 05:00:26 <|3b|> "cl" = "common lisp" = the subject of this channel 05:04:14 -!- Anarch [~olaf@c-67-183-64-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:04:51 Anarch [~olaf@c-67-183-64-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:05:14 so what about efficiency and BIG DATA 05:05:33 is that supposed to be an acronym 05:06:59 you guys are giving me cope out easy answers .... sounds to me like you're looking for an easy answer. The most appropriate tool for your task depends on a lot of factors 05:07:23 chord: use mongodb 05:07:30 :D 05:07:31 it's webscale and knows BIG DATA 05:07:33 mongodb is web scale!!! 05:07:41 if you want a lisp for super powers, go play with arc :-) 05:07:44 what do you guys think of VoltDB 05:08:03 <|3b|> we think anything that isn't CL is off-topic 05:08:09 also it's marginally better than piping all your data into /dev/null. Marginally. 05:09:00 So I'm thinking about Clojure since that gives you access to al the Java libraries 05:09:08 why should I not use Clojure 05:09:21 you should ask #clojure about that 05:09:25 <|3b|> you should use clojure. you should go to #clojure and talk to clojure users about it 05:09:38 note that ABCL exists, if you want to have access to the java ecosystem 05:10:14 <|3b|> (in case you are wondering, we get lots of people expecting us to convince them to use CL or whatever language, so have a low tolerance of it) 05:12:10 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 05:13:23 Efficiency and big data is often mostly about managing i/o. 05:14:01 so whats so bad about mongodb 05:14:13 I don't think that mongodb is bad at all. 05:14:21 chord: go somewhere else to discuss mongodb 05:14:35 I can lure you into talking about it though 05:14:49 I can help you with that problem. 05:15:07 -!- nbouscal [~nbouscal@c-67-168-113-48.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has commenced electric sheep tracking protocol.] 05:16:20 why are you guys resistant to talk about mongodb 05:16:30 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Zhivago 05:16:45 Probably due to exposure to trolls. 05:17:01 chord: because it is NOT lisp relative ? 05:17:03 Because it's not common lisp? 05:17:11 *aspect* is curious ... does gavino feature here frequently? 05:17:14 apparently this person has similar behavior in #haskell. so, that's nice. 05:18:32 chord: maybe it is ok to talk how to use monodb using lisp ? 05:20:20 aspect: thankfully no 05:21:02 zRecursive: there is a CL API for it at least... 05:21:02 gavino-style trolls show up on occasion 05:22:28 so if someone tells me to use C++ over lisp because lisp is slow, how do I respond 05:22:46 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.228.183] has joined #lisp 05:22:58 chord: "i don't know" 05:23:05 -!- anaumov [~an@bane.agnitas.de] has quit [Changing host] 05:23:05 anaumov [~an@opensuse/member/Alexander-Naumov] has joined #lisp 05:23:32 chord: That depends on who that person is and why you should listen to him. 05:24:03 chord: You respond that it is an implementation, rather than language, level issue. 05:24:05 If J Random Person said it, I just leave. 05:24:22 chord: And there may be good reasons to pick a C++ implementation over a lisp implementation if processing speed is the critical factor. 05:24:33 chord: tell them that most of the time you should be optimizing the algorithm, not the implementation 05:24:46 depending on the types of programs you write of course 05:24:57 -!- paul0_ [~paul0@177.42.54.57] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:24:58 so in other words i'm not going to be able to convince people to use Lisp and I'll be dealing with Java and C++ forever 05:25:18 -!- rk[funinthesun] is now known as rk[zzz] 05:25:26 chord: right. because if you want to be convincing, you need to know what you are talking about. 05:26:12 chord: "A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand." -- Bertrand Russell 05:26:14 chord: If you do not understand what problem you're trying to solve, you will be ineffectual at any kind of persuasion. 05:26:14 chord: i suggest that, as a first step, you learn common lisp. when you know it, you'll be in a better position to judge and convince. 05:26:36 However, I suggest looking at the success of Javascript. 05:26:56 That demonstrates that most of the usual arguments are complete and utter bullshit. 05:27:10 noo I don't want to be programming in javascript either 05:27:16 Re-read what I wrote ... 05:27:26 People always use "performance" as a weapon when they want to bash languages. Back when Java popularity was growing, the hipsters were all complaining that Java was slow, and therefore useless. Now those people are using Ruby and the performance arguments are nowhere to be seen 05:27:31 Subliteracy is a curse -- get out from under it. 05:27:42 -!- Bike [~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net] has left #lisp 05:28:01 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-122-208-174.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 05:33:23 why is there a http://tryhaskell.org/ and http://tryclj.com/ but no trylisp 05:33:50 chord: make one 05:34:38 but I don't know lisp... 05:35:17 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 05:36:44 learn it! 05:37:30 nightfly: he can't, because there is not trylisp.org web server. 05:38:03 chord: As motivation you could make trylisp.org for http://lispinsummerprojects.org/ 05:38:04 Let me know when you'd like chord to have a +q. 05:38:15 Zhivago: please 05:38:31 -!- Zhivago has set mode +q chord!*@* 05:38:46 Zhivago: thanks. 05:39:02 You're welcome. Let me know if it needs reinforcing. :) 05:39:06 -!- Zhivago has set mode -o Zhivago 05:39:12 *nightfly* just tuned in, so missed the above trolling 05:40:12 actually there was a common lisp implementation in javascript that i saw recently 05:40:21 leo2007 [~leo@182.48.101.29] has joined #lisp 05:40:29 I'm following one on github 05:40:45 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.228.183] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:40:55 https://github.com/davazp/jscl 05:41:08 <|3b|> point was more about JS being a good argument against needing C/C++ for 'fast', than about using it specifically 05:41:10 that's it 05:41:37 mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-ojmtrjicepwlhdyi] has joined #lisp 05:42:10 pavelpenev [~quassel@85.130.70.65] has joined #lisp 05:42:16 pierre1 [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has joined #lisp 05:43:09 -!- Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:47:30 -!- leo2007 [~leo@182.48.101.29] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.3.1] 05:52:18 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:54:09 -!- pierre1 [~pierre1@179.218.154.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:57:22 -!- barglfargl [~brglfrgl@66-168-203-39.dhcp.gsvl.ga.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:57:26 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75d608.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 05:59:03 -!- fridim__ [~fridim@65.93.78.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:00:27 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-139-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:04:12 quazimodo [~quazimodo@d114-78-99-2.bla803.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 06:07:43 -!- harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-jwkogjdvbaftpvaf] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:10:10 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 06:10:10 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 06:10:10 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 06:11:33 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:14:57 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@d114-78-99-2.bla803.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:15:13 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:17:45 Bike [~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 06:20:39 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 06:24:12 ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-236-078.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 06:25:00 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-122-208-174.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:31:32 Have anyone here ever used stumpwm? It it ok or not? 06:31:44 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:31:49 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.97.69] has joined #lisp 06:33:06 i use it, it's cool. development's pretty stopped though. 06:34:45 Bike: I heard there's dswm, it's like stumpwm but cooler. I'm just configuring my fresh linux install and I thought wny not to migrate to another wm? i3 is boooring. 06:35:56 no idea about dswm. there's also clfswm which i also don't know about. 06:36:27 Ok, I'll try both later and then tell what I think. 06:36:47 Now I need to partition my disk... 06:37:29 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 06:39:37 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-118-250.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 06:40:43 -!- Watcher7 is now known as Watcher7|off 06:40:46 *|3b|* should switch back to twm, either that or see if i can get eclipse to act like twm 06:43:49 |3b|: who uses ecliple in our century? 06:44:11 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-63.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:44:58 *|3b|* has no idea, mainly considering it because it is in CL rather than whatever sawfish uses, which is what i'm currently using 06:45:59 Hm, ok. 06:47:08 <|3b|> not like sawfish or twm are all that popular these days either :p 06:47:58 sawfish gained a bit of popularity in the Clojure community recently I think 06:48:22 *|3b|* wonders if they got it to actually work right 06:50:36 -!- Bike [~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:50:59 No one remembers GWM? 06:51:56 Bike [~Glossina@71-222-51-134.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 06:53:49 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-pxmkroiqchvxfjqk] has joined #lisp 06:53:50 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-pxmkroiqchvxfjqk] has quit [Changing host] 06:53:50 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 06:54:05 sure I remember GWM but then I'm ancient. WOOL wasn't the nicest of lisps. 06:56:19 -!- kanru [~kanru@118-163-10-190.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:56:49 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-222-51-134.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:57:28 kanru [~kanru@118-163-10-190.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 06:57:45 xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-brlythxwjiupqlan] has joined #lisp 06:59:05 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 07:00:57 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-139-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:01:29 -!- chord [322f5788@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.47.87.136] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:02:38 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-139-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:02:52 I tried it back in the early 90's. 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i'm running (run-tests) in the slime repl, but I'm only getting a notice that the test failed, not anything else to help debug it??? 08:13:34 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 08:14:23 looks like there is a way to overload using: (*test-listener* 'show-no-result) 08:14:52 DataLinkD2 [~DataLinkD@CPE-124-184-243-149.lns13.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 08:16:18 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 08:16:36 -!- doomlord [~doomlod@host86-145-105-238.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:16:49 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.149.114.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:18:32 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has left #lisp 08:19:26 -!- nug700 [~nug700@174-26-148-22.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 08:19:42 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f757e43.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 08:20:28 -!- ck is now known as ck`` 08:22:02 killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has joined #lisp 08:25:58 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:28:16 ph88 [2e2c9618@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.44.150.24] has joined #lisp 08:29:16 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-139-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:32:37 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-118-250.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 08:33:05 -!- Whitesquall [~notwhites@31.172.212.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:33:09 ISF [~ivan@187.106.24.203] has joined #lisp 08:33:35 -!- hitecnologys1 is now known as hitecnologys 08:33:55 -!- nha_ [~prefect@koln-4d0dc8a5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:35:54 -!- nostoi [~nostoi@79.158.218.188] has quit [Quit: Seite Geschlossen] 08:38:12 -!- surrounder [~surrounde@095-096-032-026.static.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:38:41 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-178-139.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:39:42 surrounder [~surrounde@095-096-032-026.static.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 08:41:35 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 08:44:26 drmeister [~drmeister@d205-250-223-135.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 08:47:41 kiuma [~kiuma@78-134-82-178.v4.ngi.it] has joined #lisp 08:49:32 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:50:01 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:50:29 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 08:54:47 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 08:56:07 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@d205-250-223-135.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:57:30 jewel [~jewel@105-236-178-139.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:57:53 syamajala [~syamajala@dyn-160-39-225-105.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 08:59:09 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 09:00:22 statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-001-036.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 09:00:56 Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #lisp 09:03:23 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@171.217.199.237] has left #lisp 09:04:51 why can't WITH-ACCESSORS accept slot-entries in the simple alternative like WITH-SLOTS does? 09:05:35 peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has joined #lisp 09:05:35 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 09:05:37 -!- syamajala [~syamajala@dyn-160-39-225-105.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:06:50 for example, with an accessor named access, it'd be nice to use (with-accessors (access) my-instance ...), rather than (with-accessors (access access) my-instance ...) 09:07:51 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:08:11 robot-beethoven: "why" don't you write yourself a trivial with-accessors* macro? :) 09:09:21 robot-beethoven: there reason why with-accessors does not work that way is probably that no accessor naming style is mandated (or even endorsed) by clos. 09:13:03 -!- jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:13:05 is there a slot naming style? 09:13:13 sure, many 09:13:57 you are using the slot name as accessor name, but that is just your preference. other people use -of or - or whatever else. 09:14:01 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:14:15 and slot-value works the same regardless of the style 09:15:20 doomlord [~doomlod@host86-145-105-238.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 09:16:20 but that makes me think: with-accessors does not really care if the accessors are accessing slots, so it could bind the name of the accessor by default with no loss of generality (or mandating a slot/accessor naming style) 09:16:47 robot-beethoven: so my answer did not make sense and i retract it. :) 09:16:58 Cymew [~user@fw01d.snowmen.se] has joined #lisp 09:18:20 does that mean i found an imperfection in the spec? are there prizes??!? 09:18:42 -!- DrForr_ is now known as DrFor 09:18:45 -!- DrFor is now known as DrForr 09:18:50 Sure -- go out and purchase a lump of rubber and then carve a picture of a duck eating a unicorn on it. 09:19:07 You are now authorized to stamp yourself on the forehead with the result each day at 9am. 09:19:12 Use purple ink. 09:22:03 -!- harish [~harish@119.234.158.112] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:25:14 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-ftgpnzkppohsvhrs] has joined #lisp 09:25:14 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-ftgpnzkppohsvhrs] has quit [Changing host] 09:25:14 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 09:26:23 -!- yroeht [~yroeht@x.yroeht.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:27:20 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.61.219] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 09:29:10 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 09:29:37 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-139-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:30:06 -!- doomlord [~doomlod@host86-145-105-238.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:38:07 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 09:41:39 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:45:28 zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has joined #lisp 09:50:33 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: ] 09:52:29 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:52:58 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:54:12 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2-dev] 09:58:36 harish [~harish@119.234.159.151] has joined #lisp 09:59:29 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 09:59:38 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 10:03:59 BlankVerse [~pankajm@dhcp237.dmi.ens.fr] has joined #lisp 10:04:55 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:05:47 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 10:05:52 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 10:08:06 -!- kanru [~kanru@118-163-10-190.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:08:08 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 10:09:51 kanru [~kanru@118-163-10-190.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 10:12:18 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 10:17:59 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 10:19:33 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 10:21:12 -!- harish [~harish@119.234.159.151] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:21:33 -!- bitonic [~user@90.205.181.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:25:31 spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 10:26:14 pierpa [~user@host204-228-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 10:26:42 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-139-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:27:41 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@CPE-124-184-243-149.lns13.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 10:28:43 bitonic [~user@90.205.181.109] has joined #lisp 10:28:48 benny [~user@maidenhead3.tunnelr.com] has joined #lisp 10:30:03 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:35:55 Thra11 [~Thra11@87.114.102.144] has joined #lisp 10:36:00 zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 10:38:41 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:39:25 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:56:06 leo2007 [~leo@182.48.101.29] has joined #lisp 10:58:07 Zhivago: For some reason I consider that extremely funny. I'm weird. 10:59:38 I wonder if this can be make to work. I have sbcl installed by homebrew on OSX and M-. always find sbcl functions in /private/tmp/sbcl-NHkI/sbcl-1.1.3/src/ 10:59:48 Is there a way to point it to a place of my choice? 11:03:24 harish [~harish@cm32.zeta224.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #lisp 11:11:39 leo2007: http://xach.livejournal.com/300290.html 11:12:42 quazimodo [~quazimodo@d110-33-11-53.bla800.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 11:14:55 H4ns: thanks a lot! 11:18:17 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.93.145] has joined #lisp 11:20:08 -!- codeburg [~folker@194.6.195.43] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:22:45 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:22:58 yroeht [~yroeht@x.yroeht.eu] has joined #lisp 11:23:30 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 11:24:16 Yay 11:25:55 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@d110-33-11-53.bla800.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:30:56 k-stz [~user@HSI-KBW-095-208-250-081.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 11:36:14 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 11:37:25 peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has joined #lisp 11:39:23 Xach: how to remove old archives in ql? 11:39:34 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 11:39:43 BitPuffin [~quassel@s193-13-104-175.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 11:40:19 -!- nialo- [~yaaic@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:41:22 rudi [~rudi@1x-193-157-202-126.uio.no] has joined #lisp 11:41:46 leo2007: one option is (ql-dist:clean (ql-dist:dist "quicklisp")) 11:42:55 Xach: thanks 11:44:43 doomlord [~doomlod@host86-145-105-238.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 11:46:26 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:48:01 breakds [~breakds@cpe-74-79-147-26.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:48:54 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 11:49:38 peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has joined #lisp 11:51:28 `fogus [~fogus@freedom.d-a-s.com] has joined #lisp 11:52:41 -!- fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Quit: fsvehla] 11:54:27 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 11:55:12 codeburg [~folker@194.6.195.43] has joined #lisp 11:56:11 Xach: do you have the link to your recent post on ql pkg statistics? 12:01:16 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 12:01:31 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:02:59 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-5-54.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:05:01 leo2007: do you know "google"? 12:06:00 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@CPE-124-184-243-149.lns13.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:06:54 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:07:31 cmatei [~cmatei@78.96.108.142] has joined #lisp 12:11:07 leo2007: blog.quicklisp.org is it 12:11:15 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: lyaudetceline] 12:11:30 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 12:12:07 Xach, when is the next planned release of ql, if any? 12:13:25 Quadrescence: July 7 12:13:43 okay thanks 12:15:29 -!- Thra11 [~Thra11@87.114.102.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:15:54 -!- DataLinkD2 [~DataLinkD@CPE-124-184-243-149.lns13.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:17:53 Whitesquall [~notwhites@94.242.155.69] has joined #lisp 12:18:04 Xach: thanks 12:18:54 http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2013/06/quicklisp-new-packages-june-2013 12:19:37 knob [~knob@76.76.202.244] has joined #lisp 12:19:40 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:19:46 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:21:13 bhyde: check :license in .asd 12:21:26 that is what i use for acceptance usually 12:22:31 the code that built that read all the .asd and plucked the :license property 12:23:18 bhyde: well, spot-checking cl-css shows it has a :license field 12:24:18 why does the blog post show no license specified? 12:25:28 *bhyde* looking... 12:25:35 Joreji [~thomas@190-254.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 12:27:59 hm, that's full of mystery 12:28:14 nmeum_ [~nmeum@p20030058A680E4012833A1ABCCE9EAF9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 12:28:23 bhyde: do you really need to use teepeedee2 ? 12:28:37 -!- nmeum_ [~nmeum@p20030058A680E4012833A1ABCCE9EAF9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 12:28:43 Thra11 [~Thra11@146.90.234.25] has joined #lisp 12:29:01 no, i was sweeping over the set of all ql systems via asdf:find-system 12:29:26 fsvehla [~fsvehla@chello084112185050.3.11.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 12:29:47 ah, ok 12:30:02 maybe Xach could check for bundled libraries 12:30:19 find-system has more side effects than one might expect 12:31:53 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 12:32:27 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.224.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:35:39 -!- Watcher7|off is now known as Watcher7 12:39:26 mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 12:42:16 -!- leo2007 [~leo@182.48.101.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:42:37 -!- mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:44:06 echo-area [~user@111.196.6.164] has joined #lisp 12:45:22 :licence is not :license :) 12:46:12 -!- rudi [~rudi@1x-193-157-202-126.uio.no] has quit [Quit: Client exciting.] 12:49:29 -!- knob [~knob@76.76.202.244] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:50:23 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.135.192] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:52:00 ahh 12:52:15 i didn't notice that. 12:58:11 mjs2600 [~mjs2600@24.106.194.14] has joined #lisp 12:59:18 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.224.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 13:00:11 webos [~webos@cst-prg-37-253.cust.vodafone.cz] has joined #lisp 13:01:14 -!- webos is now known as sirdancealo9 13:02:27 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 13:07:58 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-105-245.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 13:08:55 jrajav [~jrajav@198.179.137.210] has joined #lisp 13:11:28 ok, fixed the blog post; only a few still lack a licen[cs]e new-op, clobber, delorean, pretty-function http://j.mp/ben-share 13:12:03 -!- Joreji [~thomas@190-254.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:14:24 -!- Gr1zzly [Grizzly@ABayonne-651-1-228-110.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:18:05 fridim__ [~fridim@65.93.78.88] has joined #lisp 13:18:43 mjs2600_ [~mjs2600@24.106.194.14] has joined #lisp 13:18:52 -!- sirdancealo9 [~webos@cst-prg-37-253.cust.vodafone.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:19:11 -!- mjs2600 [~mjs2600@24.106.194.14] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:21:36 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:21:57 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 13:22:39 tusen tack 13:23:47 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 13:24:12 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 259 seconds] 13:24:22 hi 13:24:28 bhyde, what blog post 13:24:40 -!- Sean-Der [~sean@c-24-12-64-138.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:25:02 http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2013/06/quicklisp-new-packages-june-2013 13:25:43 -!- mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Parting is such sweet sorrow...] 13:26:16 -!- Jubb [~Jubb@pool-108-28-62-61.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:26:18 on [~on@195.Red-83-49-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:26:21 -!- zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:26:41 -!- on is now known as Guest90861 13:27:06 bhyde: i'd like to add your posts to planet lisp. are you game? are you up for tagging things with common-lisp to get them there? 13:27:13 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:27:14 hm 13:27:16 i just thought after looking round long time 13:27:22 maybe i should think about pushing sensor data into lisp ^^ 13:27:42 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 13:28:04 someone knows the msot efficient lisp implementation 13:28:12 leo2007 [~leo@182.48.101.29] has joined #lisp 13:28:29 Probably you should consider the bandwidth of the sensor data ... 13:28:33 Xach: any idea why ql-dist:find-system doesn't accept keywords? 13:28:35 can ecl output s-expressions from its internal structures? 13:28:40 It's likely that efficiency is not an issue. 13:29:18 Vutral: efficient in what? Speed? Image size? Memory consumption? 13:29:21 Vutral: what do you mean by "its internal structures"? 13:29:45 well 13:29:49 probably linked lists 13:29:51 atoms 13:29:53 and so 13:30:03 Vutral: maybe you should first learn some lisp :) 13:30:06 leo2007: It isn't written that way. 13:30:12 ^^ 13:30:19 <|3b|> isn't that the definition of s-expression? a printed representation of conses and atoms? 13:30:27 i thought the smallest part of lisp was an atom 13:30:29 ^^ 13:30:44 yeah 13:30:53 <|3b|> 'smallest part' doesn't mean much 13:30:58 Vutral: on the syntax, yes. But there are some structures that aren't outputed as s-expressions, like functions or hash-tables 13:30:59 scheme and lisp share s-exp 13:31:10 <|3b|> the only thing in lisp that isn't an atom is a cons 13:31:14 you mean predicates ^^ 13:31:45 mhm yeah well 13:32:20 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 13:32:21 but i would need some imagination of the overhead to modify lists all the time while processing the data 13:32:25 it's pretty important to know what is a cons cell, and most beginners don't 13:32:58 <|3b|> random access to linked lists is O(N), if that is a problem, don't use linked lists or don't do random access 13:33:08 Vutral: lists aren't the only structure in a lisp program. It's just one of the structures 13:33:28 well i need something ringbufferstyle 13:33:34 bhyde, why do some contain info and others dont? (e.g. author) 13:33:38 Or use a skip list. 13:33:43 -!- k-stz [~user@HSI-KBW-095-208-250-081.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:33:46 Vutral: the syntax is represented by s-expressions, which is a syntax for lists. That's very different 13:33:53 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 13:33:55 yes 13:34:06 Vutral: really, i'd recommend that you learn some lisp first. you seem not to know enough about it to write an efficient program in it, no matter what implementation you choose. 13:34:14 but you can have vectors, struts, s-expressions, and even classes 13:34:16 Vutral: practical common lisp would probably serve you well 13:34:22 minion: tell vutral about pcl 13:34:23 vutral: please look at pcl: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 13:34:33 once you get deep enough, you might end up digging down to low level anyway 13:34:40 (ring buffers with assembly) 13:35:08 well i had that book 13:35:33 Vutral: it is a free book. If you want another one, there is also Land of Lisp, which is not free 13:35:34 it was too much explaination 13:36:03 well land of lisp looked nice when amazon suggest it to me 13:36:20 Vutral: ... of course. It is a lot of content. What did you expect? 13:36:53 well 13:37:18 personally, I think PCL is clearer, more organized and more concise. Land of Lisp throws random content whenever it wants 13:37:24 something creating advanced worth in the knowledge 13:37:29 to make it intresting to interlink it with other knowledge i already have 13:37:53 ^^ 13:38:16 i guess i would like the random content 13:38:17 joast [~rick@76.178.135.192] has joined #lisp 13:38:28 its like staring at a highway 13:38:43 if there only red cars come you will get dizzy 13:38:53 Have you considered taking drugs? 13:38:57 because you expect only mor ecars and the cars become electric sheep for you 13:39:07 nope 13:39:15 It might be a good idea. 13:39:18 ^^ 13:39:18 you think that helps ? 13:39:26 no 13:39:54 i guess i will work on darpa projects 13:40:06 they are like drugs anyway ^^ 13:40:23 Xach: i have a common-lisp tag, which i've now added to that post; but looks like my caching hasn't noticed yet  i'll try hitting it with a bigger stick  http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/category/common-lisp 13:41:09 ok thanks. 13:41:42 hm 13:42:02 bhyde, aside from some missing info, there are a few errors 13:42:25 -!- statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-001-036.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:43:05 Quadrescence: I'm not surprised; feel free to point them out here, in an email, or comments on the posting  the code that made that is quite adhoc. 13:43:08 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:43:14 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:43:16 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 13:43:49 bhyde, at least for my projects, the author isn't stated but it's in the ASD (big-string & policy-cond), and policy-cond is mercurial, not git 13:43:54 very minor things 13:44:13 Quadrescence: that code is here- https://gist.github.com/bhyde/5896565 13:44:56 billstclair [~billstcla@p-69-195-59-108.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 13:44:56 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@p-69-195-59-108.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:44:56 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 13:45:34 (asdf/find-system:clear-defined-systems) ;; bang! 13:45:39 i like your comment style :))) 13:45:49 Quadrescence: ah, i have a guard against names that are "too long" since somebody put an entire little lisp program in that field :) 13:45:51 -!- Guest90861 [~on@195.Red-83-49-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:46:02 bhyde, haha, i see 13:46:18 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Client Quit] 13:46:30 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 13:46:33 then later i hand edit the emails out of the posting :) 13:47:09 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-63.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:47:45 oh, there is a horrible bug in that version of the code  don't use that until i update it :) 13:47:49 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-63.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:48:42 sirdancealo9 [~webos@cst-prg-37-253.cust.vodafone.cz] has joined #lisp 13:48:42 -!- sirdancealo9 [~webos@cst-prg-37-253.cust.vodafone.cz] has quit [Client Quit] 13:49:09 ok 13:49:29 bhyde, it looks like a sort of giant hack :) but it does something useful so it's okay 13:49:57 it hopes to grow up and become perl code 13:50:09 haha 13:50:57 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:51:47 chu_ [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 13:52:13 mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 13:52:57 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:53:33 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:54:02 -!- codeburg [~folker@194.6.195.43] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:54:46 segv- [~mb@95-91-241-46-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 13:57:05 -!- chu_ is now known as chu 13:59:42 -!- zorkmoid_ is now known as zorkmoid 13:59:54 natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 14:03:03 -!- yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:03:39 varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 14:04:32 nbouscal [~nbouscal@c-67-168-113-48.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:04:54 victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has joined #lisp 14:05:34 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:07:40 yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:07:51 -!- yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:07:51 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 14:07:51 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@c-24-143-118-11.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:11:51 -!- yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:12:12 -!- echo-area [~user@111.196.6.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:12:42 yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:12:53 -!- yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:12:53 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 14:13:18 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 14:13:18 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Client Quit] 14:15:26 echo-area [~user@111.196.6.164] has joined #lisp 14:15:58 Karl_dscc [~localhost@ipdsw03.informatik.fh-schmalkalden.de] has joined #lisp 14:16:10 ahungry_ [~null@66.184.106.97] has joined #lisp 14:16:18 -!- ahungry_ [~null@66.184.106.97] has quit [Client Quit] 14:16:31 -!- ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:17:09 ahungry [~null@66.184.106.97] has joined #lisp 14:18:12 spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 14:18:56 s00pcan_ [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:19:20 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 14:23:42 -!- `fogus [~fogus@freedom.d-a-s.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:26:35 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-139-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 14:30:01 -!- nbouscal [~nbouscal@c-67-168-113-48.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has commenced electric sheep tracking protocol.] 14:30:42 statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-001-036.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 14:31:49 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Quit: changing networks] 14:31:51 _d3f [~gnu@94.242.252.66] has joined #lisp 14:32:32 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 14:32:59 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Quit: o7] 14:34:07 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:34:21 Xach: kind of a big problem 14:34:55 was ist los 14:35:00 Xach: looks like QL pulled log4cl from master branch, not from stable, despite naming it log4cl-stable-26f358ee-git 14:35:01 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 14:35:22 maxm: Hmm, ok. Can you open an issue so I don't forget to investigate later today? 14:35:29 there is no revision 26f358ee in stable branch, it was the tip of master when QL was built 14:35:37 sure, when was QL released? 14:35:44 nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@129.10.166.144] has joined #lisp 14:35:46 2013-06-15 14:35:47 coz I need to decide what to ask in the issue, since I just got 1st bug report 14:36:02 Next release is 2013-07-07 14:36:39 ok I'll open the issue. Do you have bullet-proof method that you sure works, ie does pulling by tag works 100%? 14:37:38 maxm: I think I am probably pulling and building the branch but then using git archive with the wrong options. 14:37:47 -!- nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@129.10.166.144] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:37:55 I'm actually in the mind of just throwing caution to the wind and making it pull from master again 14:38:12 coz with this mistake, I only got 2 bug reports anyway 14:38:16 Well, I'd like to fix this bug in my dist generator, too. It is not good to do what it did. 14:38:36 ok, making QL issue now, give me an hour 14:38:44 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 14:39:31 nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@129.10.166.144] has joined #lisp 14:39:45 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 14:40:00 -!- breakds [~breakds@cpe-74-79-147-26.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:41:06 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@dhcp237.dmi.ens.fr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:47:45 Created issue https://github.com/quicklisp/quicklisp-projects/issues/524 14:48:01 thanks. 14:48:04 Xach: what would be a deadline for telling you to pull from master or stable again? 14:48:17 july 6 14:48:25 coz would be jerking people around to have new version in there for a months, and then pulling it all back 14:48:27 ok thanks 14:49:31 PuffTheMagic [uid3325@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gbajprgzgcbwjvfd] has joined #lisp 14:50:30 nbouscal [~nbouscal@c-67-185-201-65.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:51:26 Xach: I put a symlink in ~/quicklisp/local-projects/ to an asd file, how comes quicklisp can't load it? (I'm using SBCL 1.1.7) 14:52:20 Blkt: It tries to guess when to scan that directory by comparing the timestamp of the directory with the timestamp on system-index.txt in that directory. 14:52:34 Blkt: if the directory timestamp is older, it does not scan. you can manually scan with (ql:register-local-projects). 14:53:17 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@198.179.137.210] has quit [Quit: phunq, sandwich store loop, WHAT NO UNIVERSE] 14:53:31 mmm 14:53:42 there have to be something wrong with my defsystem then... 14:54:59 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-139-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:55:30 kdas_ [~kdas@114.143.167.126] has joined #lisp 14:55:55 I keep getting system-not-found error 14:55:56 -!- nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@129.10.166.144] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:56:10 nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@129.10.166.144] has joined #lisp 14:56:34 -!- kdas_ [~kdas@114.143.167.126] has quit [Client Quit] 14:56:52 Xach: thanks anyway 14:56:53 Blkt: hmmm. that is odd. dies it turn up in (directory "~/quicklisp/local-projects/**/*.asd")? 14:57:05 -!- rk[zzz] is now known as ryankarason 14:57:51 it correctly returns the location of my asd file 14:58:13 (I have only that system at the moment) 14:58:33 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-160-102.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:58:46 Blkt: is it present in system-index.txt? 14:58:54 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-brlythxwjiupqlan] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:59:15 Blkt: check that you ending your directories with slashes 14:59:45 there was some bug where if you use "/home/blah/somedir" and not "/home/blah/somedir/" it will actually search "/home/blah" 15:00:07 Xach: I found the error 15:00:21 "bullet proof"? It's "made in Maine" so it just sports a garish hunting vest. 15:00:35 my .asd file was named "foo.asd" while the system was named "utils.foo" 15:00:40 catches a lot of ppl unaware, especially if you do things like "mv proj ../proj-newthing ; mv proj ../proj.old" 15:00:51 asd I thought, the problem was in my asd file 15:01:05 thanks thanks anyway Xach and maxm 15:01:12 jrajav [~jrajav@198.179.137.210] has joined #lisp 15:08:49 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:08:49 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:09:23 codeburg [~folker@194.6.195.43] has joined #lisp 15:09:52 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 15:10:56 -!- jhj [~jhj@unaffiliated/jhj] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:12:24 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:13:29 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has quit [Quit: Must not waste too much time here...] 15:14:24 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 15:14:29 Bike [~Glossina@71-222-51-134.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:25:00 zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 15:25:59 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #lisp 15:27:52 kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 15:28:01 -!- kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:28:16 kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 15:28:21 -!- kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:28:35 kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 15:31:07 -!- Cymew [~user@fw01d.snowmen.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:31:20 sad - http://danweinreb.org/ but at least http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://danweinreb.org/ 15:31:31 nug700 [~nug700@174-26-148-22.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:32:03 According the clhs I can only especialize with eql, but eql is a function so I can't make my own classes have their custom eql right? 15:32:32 no 15:32:43 eql speciaizing is just for specializing on objects. 15:33:27 :( Well I didn't needed it. Was just wondering. It simplified my stack implementation :) 15:33:27 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@198.179.137.210] has quit [Quit: phunq, sandwich store loop, WHAT NO UNIVERSE] 15:33:29 thanks 15:34:16 -!- danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:35:31 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:38:12 -!- zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:38:28 mns [~mns@c-24-63-187-147.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:39:51 -!- ph88 [2e2c9618@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.44.150.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:40:47 smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has joined #lisp 15:42:28 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:42:41 jrajav [~jrajav@198.179.137.210] has joined #lisp 15:47:37 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:49:40 -!- codeburg [~folker@194.6.195.43] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:54:39 bobbysmith0071 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has joined #lisp 15:55:23 codeburg [~folker@194.6.195.43] has joined #lisp 15:57:40 -!- fsvehla [~fsvehla@chello084112185050.3.11.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: fsvehla] 15:58:19 fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:03:05 Well, EQL specializing can specialize on anything, e.g. symbols or integers, but the comparison is always EQL. 16:03:24 boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:05:45 nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-117-198.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 16:06:59 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:07:24 Corvidium [~cosman246@D-173-250-187-179.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 16:09:04 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@78-134-82-178.v4.ngi.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:11:13 -!- nbouscal [~nbouscal@c-67-185-201-65.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:11:35 Oberon4278 [~dcrooksto@38.113.0.254] has joined #lisp 16:15:49 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:16:43 francogrex [franco@162-202-67-158.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:17:21 in quicklisp, is there a way to get an older version of a lib? (not the most current). How about if I want to get the very first version of clsql? 16:19:04 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:19:37 generally where to get older versions of any lib? 16:19:46 -!- nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@129.10.166.144] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:20:10 -!- z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:20:29 -!- codeburg [~folker@194.6.195.43] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:20:50 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 16:20:52 -!- ryankarason is now known as rk[wrkwrkwrk] 16:22:30 -!- Modius [~user@cpe-70-112-159-86.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:22:44 Modius [~user@cpe-70-112-159-86.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:22:45 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.20.119.146] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:23:06 -!- pierpa [~user@host204-228-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:23:14 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:23:15 -!- arrsim [~user@mail.fitness2live.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:26:05 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 16:26:05 old versions? 16:26:37 z0d [~z0d@q.notresp.com] has joined #lisp 16:26:37 -!- z0d [~z0d@q.notresp.com] has quit [Changing host] 16:26:37 z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has joined #lisp 16:28:36 francogrex: well one way to do it is to put that version on your local-projects and it is loaded first 16:28:37 francogrex: http://blog.quicklisp.org/2011/08/going-back-in-dist-time.html 16:29:28 nice, didn't knew about that functionality! 16:30:15 -!- mjs2600_ [~mjs2600@24.106.194.14] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:32:32 -!- schoppenhauer [~quassel@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 16:32:38 mjs2600 [~mjs2600@24.106.194.14] has joined #lisp 16:33:07 yati [~yati@122.169.67.180] has joined #lisp 16:33:26 ok Xach that's what I needed. PuercoPop: if I had the old version I wouldn't have enquired 16:33:57 Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 16:35:19 -!- zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:35:21 -!- nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-117-198.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:37:20 nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@129.10.166.144] has joined #lisp 16:37:50 -!- mjs2600 [~mjs2600@24.106.194.14] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:37:50 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 16:37:54 zeroish [~zeroish@135.207.174.50] has joined #lisp 16:38:24 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.224.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:38:30 francogrex: well you can always checkout the repo and revert to the version you wanted to 16:39:50 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 16:40:17 schoppenhauer [~quassel@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 16:41:13 barglfargl [~brglfrgl@66-168-203-39.dhcp.gsvl.ga.charter.com] has joined #lisp 16:41:55 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:43:42 -!- francogrex [franco@162-202-67-158.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.1.2 $Revision: 1.796.2.4 $ (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:43:43 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:43:50 -!- barglfargl [~brglfrgl@66-168-203-39.dhcp.gsvl.ga.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:43:54 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:44:36 fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 16:44:36 barglfargl [~brglfrgl@66-168-203-39.dhcp.gsvl.ga.charter.com] has joined #lisp 16:47:03 dented42 [~dented42@opengroove.org] has joined #lisp 16:47:52 runningskull [~runningsk@li77-167.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 16:51:19 `fogus [~fogus@freedom.d-a-s.com] has joined #lisp 16:51:55 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-63-195-2-46.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 16:52:48 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.239.244] has joined #lisp 16:53:04 Greetings! 16:54:14 I wonder if Xach and H4ns actually sleep sometimes. Whenever I log in they are here. 16:55:52 breakds [~breakds@cpe-74-79-147-26.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:56:35 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 16:56:55 danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:57:45 mjs2600 [~mjs2600@24.106.194.14] has joined #lisp 16:57:59 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.224.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 16:58:37 i think we determined the other week that Xach has a very consistent sleeping schedule 17:00:27 Quadrescence: I think that he sleeps 1h every 2h so it looks like he doesn't sleep at all! 17:01:16 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-63-195-2-46.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:03:19 slyrus [~chatzilla@63.195.2.46] has joined #lisp 17:07:39 zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has joined #lisp 17:07:50 ThomasH [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/thomash] has joined #lisp 17:07:57 Greetings lispers 17:08:36 'hello 17:10:36 -!- nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@129.10.166.144] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:10:55 Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #lisp 17:13:47 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:14:33 hello ThomasH 17:15:57 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-226-213.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:17:34 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:18:29 -!- mjs2600 [~mjs2600@24.106.194.14] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:19:35 przl [~przlrkt@p5B29802C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 17:21:38 drmeister [~drmeister@d205-250-223-135.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 17:22:23 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.228.183] has joined #lisp 17:26:28 youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 17:27:45 -!- bitonic [~user@90.205.181.109] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:28:06 Which one of caveman and weblocks do you recommend for a CL and Lisp first-timer? 17:28:09 bitonic [~user@90.205.181.109] has joined #lisp 17:28:15 nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@129.10.166.144] has joined #lisp 17:28:55 Or is there any other web-framework that is better suited for a beginner? 17:29:05 hwiersma [~hwiersma@142-165-85-222.umts.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #lisp 17:29:33 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@D-173-250-187-179.dhcp4.washington.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:30:19 yati: I like restas but I've never tried the others. 17:30:45 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:31:51 daimrod, I might just use it *just* because it seems to have noob-friendly docs :) 17:32:58 e.g., weblocks has docs spread over some 3-4 sites and after installing, I have no clue where to find it while the docs refer to "the weblocks installation path" 17:33:00 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:33:03 yati: yes, it has nice examples to get started. 17:33:19 -!- arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-lctbseaoikqvqjhx] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:33:54 -!- nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@129.10.166.144] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:34:18 Ah but I haven't gotten through to CLOS yet :\ 17:35:17 you don't need to know a lot about it to use restas. The chapter in PCL should be enough. 17:36:14 -!- Myk267 [~myk@unaffiliated/myk267] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:24 Houl [~Parmi@unaffiliated/houl] has joined #lisp 17:37:35 yeah, I just have finished macros in PCL. Awesome book. I want to get a deeper understanding of/experience with macros 17:38:17 daimrod, thanks, gtg. see you around :) 17:38:35 Myk267 [~myk@unaffiliated/myk267] has joined #lisp 17:38:47 -!- yati [~yati@122.169.67.180] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:41:07 -!- nightshade427 [~nightshad@li436-101.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: bye] 17:43:10 nightshade427 [~nightshad@li436-101.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 17:43:13 mjs2600 [~mjs2600@24.106.194.14] has joined #lisp 17:46:10 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:47:22 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 17:48:20 drmeister: how ishackiung? 17:48:39 -!- mjs2600 [~mjs2600@24.106.194.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:48:46 ebobby [~fms@173.228.63.34] has joined #lisp 17:48:50 It's moving forward - I'm adding garbage collection. 17:49:01 cool 17:49:03 any code? 17:49:17 k0001 [~k0001@host153.186-109-104.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 17:50:03 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:50:16 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@63.195.2.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:50:41 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 17:51:11 mjs2600 [~mjs2600@rrcs-96-10-242-5.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:51:14 Not yet. 17:52:27 drmeister did things run without gc for all this time? 17:53:04 Yeah - and then about a month ago I noticed it started using memory like crazy - it took 28GB just to compile itself. 17:53:30 So I'm adding GC using the Memory Pool System. 17:54:23 nifty 17:57:41 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:57:45 -!- statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-001-036.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:59:14 been working on a coalescent simulation programlast week 17:59:15 statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-238-196.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:59:49 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.228.183] has left #lisp 18:00:07 -!- Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:49 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:02:11 with a nifty little presentation layer for clim to do dendograms .. 18:04:36 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-222-51-134.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:05:14 -!- ehu [~Erik@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:06:32 Bike [~Glossina@174-25-40-178.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:06:35 [SLB]` [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 18:07:02 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:07:38 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 18:08:24 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:08:24 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 18:10:54 jlongster [~user@pool-96-238-181-209.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:10:56 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-139-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:12:50 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20:24 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 18:22:37 -!- mjs2600 [~mjs2600@rrcs-96-10-242-5.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:24:55 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-160-102.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:27:41 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@d205-250-223-135.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:27:53 Bike: when I'll write a scheme, I'll name it Ponzi Scheme. 18:28:15 ffilozov [~user@22.Red-83-39-93.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 18:28:24 To go with rackeeters, con-men 18:28:50 i'm surprised there isn't one already, given larceny, gambit, et 18:31:43 -!- fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:31:45 ph88 [5597cc14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.151.204.20] has joined #lisp 18:32:27 mjs2600 [~mjs2600@24.106.207.82] has joined #lisp 18:34:01 spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 18:34:31 ASau` [~user@p4FF96933.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:34:53 fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 18:36:11 Corvidium [~cosman246@D-69-91-137-189.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 18:36:16 inkjetunito [~hf999@unaffiliated/inkjetunit] has joined #lisp 18:37:11 -!- ASau [~user@p5797FD3D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:37:16 Guest64698 [~user@moat3.centtech.com] has joined #lisp 18:39:39 -!- devoutful06 [~devoutful@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:42:06 devoutful06 [~devoutful@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:43:03 -!- Bike [~Glossina@174-25-40-178.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:43:20 JasonFelice [~jfelice@152.160.30.10] has joined #lisp 18:43:30 -!- JasonFelice [~jfelice@152.160.30.10] has left #lisp 18:43:50 -!- mjs2600 [~mjs2600@24.106.207.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:43:54 JasonFelice [~jfelice@152.160.30.10] has joined #lisp 18:44:12 -!- ffilozov [~user@22.Red-83-39-93.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:44:25 nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@129.10.166.144] has joined #lisp 18:45:22 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 18:45:29 What is the (most) standard way to create a Common Lisp script (a +x thing in /usr/local/bin/) from a project with asdf dependencies? 18:46:49 JasonFelice: I don't think that's done enough to have a standard way to do it. 18:47:00 When I want to do it, I use buildapp, but I don't know if other people do that, or something else. 18:47:06 The common thing would be to build an actual executable. Just save-lisp-and-die after they're loaded in your implementation of choice. 18:47:14 mjs2600 [~mjs2600@24.106.207.82] has joined #lisp 18:48:02 Bike [~Glossina@174-25-40-178.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:48:05 evenings. is there a list of decent free editors for gnu/linux somewhere? 18:48:33 inkjetunito: most people here use emacs for common lisp. vim is the other one I've heard people using. 18:48:47 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 18:48:51 -!- kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:48:59 Xach: hmm. i had forgotten about vim. thanks :D 18:49:14 nha_ [~prefect@koln-4d0dc8a5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 18:49:58 So, the problem here (I think) is that my install instructions are: "Install sbcl, install quicklisp, run an install script." 18:50:31 Which means that people who use the program need to know how to install quicklisp, which seems a little raw. 18:50:57 kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 18:51:00 installing quicklisp is trivial. 18:51:06 -!- nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@129.10.166.144] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:51:21 nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@129.10.166.144] has joined #lisp 18:52:06 JasonFelice: http://www.quicklisp.org/beta/ 18:52:41 JasonFelice: note that if you dump an executable that is all you need to have to run the program 18:52:53 JasonFelice: install instructions for what? 18:53:23 zorkmoid: It is trivial for me, sure. But it asks for different options which people who don't write Lisp code won't know. 18:53:57 JasonFelice: ./program is quite simple to run 18:54:01 Xach: I want to write a program called 'git-pr' to manage pull requests. 18:54:34 drmeister [~drmeister@d205-250-223-135.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 18:54:35 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@d205-250-223-135.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:54:49 zorkmoid: I don't understand. You're saying I can just save the core and distribute it? 18:54:53 AeroNotix [~xeno@aboe136.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 18:54:59 That's one option. 18:55:04 JasonFelice: that is one way 18:55:27 compiled files from sbcl can be executed as well... 18:56:06 if you have sbcl installd... 18:56:22 I'm using sbcl. 18:56:35 -!- mjs2600 [~mjs2600@24.106.207.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:58:01 nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-128-8.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 18:58:37 (save-lisp-and-die "somename" :toplevel #'your-entry-point :executable t) 18:58:44 when done, ./somename 18:58:47 et viola! 18:58:58 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B29802C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:59:43 it is a bit big if you don't strip it, here a plain dump like that is around 60MiB, 200KiB if you strip it 19:00:10 Does the stripped one actually run? 19:00:12 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 19:00:20 Doesn't seem likely. 19:00:23 Using external strip? 19:01:00 zorkmoid: I'm a bit skeptical about the core being portable enough. It weathers sbcl version upgrades? 19:01:02 Xach: you need to be careful when stripping :-) 19:01:23 JasonFelice: if you flip the :executable bit you don't need to distribute sbcl at all 19:01:28 it is a stand-alone binary 19:01:28 drmeister [~drmeister@d205-250-223-135.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 19:02:12 Oh, I didn't realize that it wasn't that thing that was binary, but with the sbcl shebang. 19:03:00 Ok, that's one step closer. 19:03:03 JasonFelice: a .fasl is a #! script, a (save-lisp-and-die ... :executable t) is a stand alone binary without the need for sbcl 19:03:31 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@d205-250-223-135.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:03:40 (in the case of sbcl) 19:04:01 are there any shortcuts to print a list in a truncated column tabbed format? (for instance, using clsql to query out rows in the repl and print them in a format similar to the CLI mysql client)? 19:04:25 For instance, in columns of 15 character width (tab separated) with anything past the 15 cut off 19:04:44 ahungry: I'd bet a beautiful format string could do it for you. 19:04:55 I do not know how to put that together. 19:05:23 Xach: thanks, will be a fun learning excercise at the least :) 19:06:03 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 19:07:06 drmeister [~drmeister@d205-250-223-135.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 19:09:00 ahungry: you'd get far with the loop construct in format.. 19:09:43 http://gigamonkeys.com/book/a-few-format-recipes.html#iteration 19:09:45 Aye, I have gotten it working to print my list of lists with nested ~{~{~a~}~} style directives, having trouble with truncating and inserting a proper tab character 19:10:04 I guess I may need to use the ~/ or something to specifically pass some type of substring function to it 19:10:07 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:10:19 how can I get a tab in there though? ~% is newline, anyone know tab offhand/ 19:10:37 ahungry: personally, i would make a function that returns the truncated list and print that. 19:10:41 -!- Guest64698 is now known as hamroctopus 19:10:42 ~t? 19:11:07 -!- `fogus [~fogus@freedom.d-a-s.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:12:29 Thanks Bike, I guess it is tabulating, it just becomes badly misaligned due to varying field lengths - thanks all 19:14:18 -!- nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@129.10.166.144] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:14:57 patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 19:15:39 -!- ebobby [~fms@173.228.63.34] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:15:59 ebobby [~fms@173.228.63.34] has joined #lisp 19:16:30 -!- _d3f [~gnu@94.242.252.66] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 19:16:41 matko [~matko@ip82-139-124-108.lijbrandt.net] has joined #lisp 19:17:24 nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@129.10.166.144] has joined #lisp 19:20:02 ahungry: why tab char? just use ~T ... 19:20:05 ~20T or something ... 19:21:31 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 19:21:32 -!- barglfargl [~brglfrgl@66-168-203-39.dhcp.gsvl.ga.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:21:50 (format t "~{~&~{~A~20T~A~^~}~}" '(("foo" 1) ("bar" 2) ("baz" 3))) ... or 'mthing .. 19:21:56 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@d205-250-223-135.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:21:59 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:22:37 drmeister [~drmeister@d205-250-223-135.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 19:23:38 the dangling ~^ isn't needed ... 19:24:21 Thanks, will give it a go 19:25:06 zorkmoid, Xach: Thanks, I have a working install script now. 19:25:26 ahungry: that doesn't truncate, but oh well 19:27:04 -!- leo2007 [~leo@182.48.101.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 19:29:48 -!- JasonFelice [~jfelice@152.160.30.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:30:52 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 19:32:13 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:32:14 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 19:32:35 actually.. 19:33:00 (format t "~{~&~{~A~20T~A~1*~}~}" '(("foo" 1 6) ("bar" 2 5) ("baz" 3 4))) ... or 'mthing .. 19:33:05 :-) 19:33:37 ~N* skips the next N arguments 19:34:09 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 19:35:45 sweet you rock :) 19:36:20 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:37:20 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 19:40:36 ahungry: hint: clhs :P 19:41:03 josemanuel [~josemanue@1.238.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 19:44:41 oh, and a cleaner way ... "~:{~&~A~20T~A~1*~} 19:45:11 you could prolly use ~^ in there to skip the remainder as well instead of ~1* 19:45:42 i.e. ~:{~&~A~20T~A~^~} and live happily ever after 19:47:00 haha yea I should really refer to it more 19:47:12 Xach: common lisp tip? 19:47:31 which now 19:48:31 tabular printing of a truncated list 19:52:07 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:57:18 -!- Houl [~Parmi@unaffiliated/houl] has quit [Quit: weil das Wetter so schön ist] 19:58:37 peterhil [~peterhil@85-76-18-12-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has joined #lisp 20:01:01 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@d205-250-223-135.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01:24 Quadresce_ [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 20:03:19 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:04:18 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:04:29 -!- Quadresce_ is now known as 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:supersede 20:32:05 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@aboe136.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:32:37 thanks a lot 20:32:54 hwiersma [~hwiersma@142-165-85-156.umts.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #lisp 20:32:59 is :if-exists :overwrite ever useful? 20:33:36 dim: sure, if you want to overwrite only parts of a file 20:33:58 dim: there are also system-dependent ways to truncate a file, if you want to do that. 20:34:32 in my current case I just want whole new file and have the new content in a string variable already 20:34:45 :supersede it is, then 20:35:36 I guess it would be more efficient to produce the content as a stream in the file but that's not the API I've built: static website "compiler" projects where I want both all dynamic behavior for article authoring and compiling to static for publishing 20:35:41 anyway, thanks! 20:36:30 it's almost ready btw, static version at http://preview.tapoueh.org/ and dynamic one at http://cl.tapoueh.org/, code at 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nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@c-24-218-27-188.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:32 PuercoPop: yep 21:45:15 -!- sellout [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:45:29 nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@c-24-218-27-188.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:45:33 drmeister [~drmeister@S01060016cbad556d.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 21:45:51 perfect, thanks 21:46:38 sellout [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has joined #lisp 21:49:01 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@S01060016cbad556d.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:50:19 -!- hwiersma2 [~hwiersma@207.195.86.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:50:45 Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 21:50:50 zRecursive [~czsq888@171.212.200.165] has joined #lisp 21:53:41 -!- ph88 [5597cc14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.151.204.20] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:54:53 -!- nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@c-24-218-27-188.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] 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