00:02:18 fsmunoz: depends on the implementtion. 00:02:53 fsmunoz: in sbcl it's with the enable-interrupt function 00:03:53 -!- ecraven [~user@www.nexoid.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:04:33 jrajav [~jrajav@71-82-124-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 00:04:55 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 00:05:41 https://github.com/dasuxullebt/cl-fuckyou is interesting 00:07:08 Xach: Yes , yes that is very interesting... 00:08:10 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Quit: o7] 00:09:48 PuercoPop [~user@pool-96-250-219-190.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:11:39 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75eb94.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:15:40 Hello, any opinions on the book "Let Over Lambda"? I might pick it up... 00:16:33 Xach: interesting is the right adjective (: 00:17:26 I've been reading Land of Lisp currently and found it enjoyable. Looking for more titles to add to my little computer book library. 00:19:57 arrsim [~user@mail.fitness2live.com.au] has joined #lisp 00:20:04 Ryan_Burnside: It has a lot of accurate information and some weird ideas. I'm not sure it's a good ratio. 00:20:17 Ryan_Burnside: I really like Practical Common Lisp and Paradigms of AI Programming as CL books. 00:21:34 Ryan_Burnside: I like Let over Lambda but definitely not been able to throughtly undertand everything. I've put it on hold while I write more code in CL to restart reading it. 00:22:25 I've read Common Lisp: A Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation, but wished it went further. I liked the style and pacing of that book but they stop short. 00:24:20 Ryan_Burnside: Let Over Lambda is a bit hard core to follow up those other books. It recommends, for instance, to have read On Lisp, which itself itsn't the easiest. 00:24:37 -!- agumonkey [~agu@194.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:25:03 -!- astertronistic [~astertron@ip70-181-235-122.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:25:04 -!- BlacklightOS [~Blackligh@d108-172-81-42.bchsia.telus.net] has left #lisp 00:26:09 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:26:29 DataLinkDroid: OK I'll probably pass on it. I'm looking for the most accepted GUI library too. Is that a weak support area of CL? 00:27:03 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-1-78.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 00:27:19 Ryan_Burnside: yes 00:27:29 because there are too many choices 00:27:42 try CAPI in Lispworks 00:27:46 zRecursive [~czsq888@171.217.3.53] has joined #lisp 00:27:54 or LTk for a simple GUI 00:27:59 Ryan_Burnside: The people I know who write GUI programs in CL for sale most often use CAPI. 00:28:15 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-1-78.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28:24 I haven't noticed a clear frontrunner among people writing other kinds of GUI programs. 00:30:07 -!- Guest98107 is now known as mtd 00:30:28 Lispworks appears to be costly... I'm just a weekend programmer. 00:30:37 -!- mtd is now known as Guest45444 00:30:53 holycow [~holycow@host-216-251-135-194.bchsia.skywaywest.net] has joined #lisp 00:30:56 hi guys 00:31:14 i am trying to connec to an sql db in a web app with the following syntax: 00:31:26 Ryan_Burnside: not true. there is a free version for playing around with 00:32:13 -!- Guest45444 is now known as mtd_ 00:32:48 Ryan_Burnside: Did you have a weekend GUI program in mind? 00:33:58 None in particular. Many times I just have a sudden need for a tool that seems interesting to make. Thinks like a diagramming tool or color converter. Simple GUI elements mostly. 00:34:04 http://pastebin.ca/2400619 00:34:32 the print statement and subsequent attempts to query a test table indicate the conenction is not being made 00:34:37 any tips on what i might be doing wrong? 00:34:53 Ryan_Burnside: why don't you just write a webinterface? if it's no game, then a webinterface should be the most portable version. 00:34:54 holycow: how does it indicate that? 00:35:23 Ryan_Burnside: s/version/choice 00:35:26 print *db* returns # and the query statements subbest there is no column even though sql browser shows there is 00:35:37 nug700 [~nug700@209-181-103-52.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 00:35:49 #? 00:36:39 yeah. not sure what that even means. in addition, using bad pathnames does not return an error either. 00:36:46 schoppenhaur: I guess that would work. I just have a paranoia about making my software rely on web browsers. 00:37:13 *schoppenhauer 00:37:36 Ryan_Burnside: well, then LTK is probably your best choice. 00:37:52 holycow: check your printer variables (*print-level*, *print-length*, etc). 00:38:04 okay. danke. 00:38:30 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:39:37 speaking of web stuff, I just published https://github.com/dasuxullebt/cl-fuckyou - if somebody is interested in that kind of thing, all sorts of code reviews, suggestions or patches are appreciated. 00:40:36 schoppenhauer: are you kidding ? cl-fuckyou :) 00:40:49 zRecursive: it's an acronym :3 00:41:19 odd name 00:41:23 Fastcgi Usable through Common lisp Kits Yachting through the Oceans of Unportability 00:41:27 hehe 00:42:06 That's not a stretch at all :). 00:42:45 better to use anther name :-D 00:42:45 schoppenhauer: i won't even look at anything called that. way to reduce your audience in one easy lesson. 00:44:15 DataLinkDroid: ok. 00:45:10 -!- brianw [~textual@cpe-70-113-19-93.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 00:47:07 but somehow, I think for anything fastcgi-related, this sort of name is the best choice. 00:47:54 brianw [~textual@cpe-70-113-19-93.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:48:31 -!- __class__ [~class@99-105-56-217.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:48:37 well, time to get drunk. good night! 00:49:26 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 00:49:28 _class_ [~class@99-105-56-217.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 00:49:55 ehu` [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 00:51:02 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 00:52:01 -!- Nisstyre-laptop is now known as Nisstyre 00:52:48 daem0n [~lurk3r@unaffiliated/mryaargh] has joined #lisp 00:53:19 -!- _class_ is now known as __class__ 00:54:13 -!- ehu` [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:54:53 -!- ehu [~Erik@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:55:12 ehu [~Erik@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 00:56:07 -!- jhj [~jhj@unaffiliated/jhj] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:04:43 well, the syntax works from sbcl, so time to revisit the webapp stuff 01:04:47 thanks for the help guys 01:04:50 -!- holycow [~holycow@host-216-251-135-194.bchsia.skywaywest.net] has left #lisp 01:05:20 -!- PuercoPop [~user@pool-96-250-219-190.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 01:05:25 PuercoPop [~user@pool-96-250-219-190.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:07:52 -!- seangrove [~user@208.80.69.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:08:16 I was wondering if anyone would like to try a beta of a new piece of software, Quickutil, a new kind of utiliy library. 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Sean-Der [~sean@c-24-12-64-138.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:47:10 Does anyone know what the Six hexs are in front of all the Sexps that go from swank <-> SLIME? 04:49:02 sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-69.65.71.252.myacc.net] has joined #lisp 04:49:03 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-69.65.71.252.myacc.net] has quit [Changing host] 04:49:03 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 04:52:00 Oh it seems to a be a hex of the returned string-length? 04:55:21 Sean-Der: might be a byte count; try some high code point. 04:55:35 antuirno_ [~antuirno@187.18.166.136] has joined #lisp 04:55:36 mrSpec [~Spec@87-207-172-93.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 04:55:36 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@87-207-172-93.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Changing host] 04:55:36 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 04:57:37 -!- antuirno_ [~antuirno@187.18.166.136] has quit [Client Quit] 04:59:00 mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-ajteiitqgbptoepg] has joined #lisp 05:00:33 -!- eldariof 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You have been subscribed" :) 06:13:03 -!- ISF [~ivan@187.106.36.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:15:30 agumonkey [~agu@194.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 06:15:34 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 06:15:46 -!- guaqua` is now known as guaqua 06:16:34 Trying to fetch some html, but gets an "is not a binary output stream", can anybody spot whats wrong. http://paste.lisp.org/display/137634 06:17:07 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.154.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 06:18:42 mskou72: any reason why you don't use drakma? 06:19:55 i made the script in python first, and was trying to recreate it in lisp. used this approch in python for speed. the script should only test if there are flash embedded in the page, so no need for parsing headers, redirect, etc... 06:20:05 -!- ehu [~Erik@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:21:16 mskou72: use drakma. it will save you a lot of time and execution speed will depend on the network, not on cpu time on your local machine. 06:21:22 programmers sure are willing to throw any sense of decency or morality out the window at the very idea of a small possibility of a remotely minute chance that one line in their entire codebase will be slightly faster. 06:21:35 *maybe* 06:22:52 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 06:23:41 -!- jdz [~jdz@85.254.212.34] has quit [Quit: Byebye.] 06:27:12 -!- tessier_ [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:27:33 tessier [~treed@216.105.40.125] has joined #lisp 06:27:33 -!- tessier [~treed@216.105.40.125] has quit [Changing host] 06:27:33 tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has joined #lisp 06:28:09 jdz [~jdz@85.254.212.34] has joined #lisp 06:31:35 Davidbrcz [~david@AToulouse-554-1-30-171.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 06:31:53 sykopomp: Morality is for homosexuals. 06:33:17 -!- mutley89 [~mutley89@86.134.53.79] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:35:18 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.219.4] has joined #lisp 06:36:13 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-uahrjgpdksjmrgut] has joined #lisp 06:36:14 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-uahrjgpdksjmrgut] has quit [Changing host] 06:36:14 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 06:37:05 Is drakma maintained yet ? 06:43:58 hkBst [~marijn@80.120.175.18] has joined #lisp 06:43:58 -!- hkBst [~marijn@80.120.175.18] has quit [Changing host] 06:43:58 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 06:44:23 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.219.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:45:23 przl [~przlrkt@p5B2988EB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 06:47:33 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 06:51:58 -!- jdz [~jdz@85.254.212.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:52:27 jdz [~jdz@85.254.212.34] has joined #lisp 06:53:39 could use drakma, but the task seems so simple: fetch a page using a socket, check if it contains ".swf"… All i need is to detect if Flash is embedded in the page… so seems like overkill to use a library… at least thats what i was thinking… 06:54:46 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:57:18 jackdaniel [~jack@c65-85.icpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 06:59:21 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B2988EB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:59:49 mskou72: it gets even simpler with drakma 07:00:07 mskou72: for example, you'll not have to worry about the problem that blocks you right now. 07:03:49 -!- knob [~knob@adsl-64-237-235-128.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:04:02 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-42-181.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:04:12 knob [~knob@adsl-64-237-235-128.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 07:04:57 nha [~prefect@koln-5d81699e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 07:11:03 ISF [~ivan@187.106.37.231] has joined #lisp 07:13:38 -!- guiambros [~guiambros@z65-50-88-217.ips.direcpath.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:16:31 ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-237-000.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 07:17:01 ecraven [~user@www.nexoid.at] has joined #lisp 07:18:03 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@AToulouse-554-1-30-171.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:22:46 astertronistic [~astertron@ip70-181-235-122.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 07:22:47 redsnow [~matao@113.96.117.181] has joined #lisp 07:22:52 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ejohnson] 07:23:25 yeah, thats right :-) 07:23:56 -!- dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:23:57 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@171.217.3.53] has left #lisp 07:24:07 dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has joined #lisp 07:25:16 hm, weird, someone is talking about libraries being overkill for simple problems 07:25:28 Davidbrcz [~david@AToulouse-554-1-30-171.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 07:26:51 They often can be. 07:27:18 statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-229-237.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 07:27:32 it not becos its a simple problem, but if you need only 1% of what a library does, maybe you shouldnt use it. 07:29:20 -!- astertronistic [~astertron@ip70-181-235-122.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:29:57 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@AToulouse-554-1-30-171.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:33:44 Odyessus [~odyessus@guest-wlan.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 07:33:55 nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 07:35:36 -!- nug700 [~nug700@209-181-103-52.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 07:38:40 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:39:06 jewel [~jewel@105-236-245-37.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:41:11 -!- jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:46:54 hajovonta [aplse@62.212.72.240] has joined #lisp 07:46:58 hello 07:47:10 o/ 07:47:10 mskou72: why do you use common lisp? it is so big. assembler would probably suffice for what you're trying to do. 07:47:44 there is a golden middle 07:47:57 he :-) 07:47:58 we can't bload stuff, yet writing from scratch is pointless 07:48:02 :-Đ 07:50:58 *jackdaniel* silently hints windows which won't run on machines older than xxx 07:51:09 *windows 7/8* 07:51:48 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:52:05 i dream of a world when nobody ever needs to upgrade his/her machine because there are no new software that demands more computing power 07:52:07 Zhivago: I was actually being a little bit sour about some criticism I've been receiving in response to a statement, "not everyone wants to pull in an entire library for one function", that I've been arguing for a little while. 07:52:37 i'm kidding of course 07:56:28 -!- attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:56:38 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@guest-wlan.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 07:56:55 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.219.4] has joined #lisp 08:01:34 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.219.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:04:51 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 08:05:07 zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 08:06:02 Kenjin [~kenjin@bl19-250-9.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 08:06:05 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 08:06:26 Odyessus [~odyessus@guest-wlan.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 08:06:34 lulz ;) 08:08:37 arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-csgjkajsmpkztkhw] has joined #lisp 08:10:40 seems the solution the the original problem was to wrap the socket-stream in a flexi-stream, just like drakma does :-) 08:11:50 and thereby using another library... 08:12:08 any hope there would be swank with spawn for arm in any reasonable amount of time? 08:12:09 :D 08:12:56 i mean multithreading implementation for arm devices. clisp doesnt have multithreading, sbcl isnt available 08:12:59 for it :( 08:13:20 jackdaniel: ccl works on arm, including all features. 08:13:48 Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #lisp 08:16:03 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@guest-wlan.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 08:16:03 H4ns: thanks. is it fully compatibile with other cl implementations? 08:16:16 *jackdaniel* blinks :) 08:16:16 jackdaniel: it is a common lisp, sure 08:16:32 ecl? 08:16:42 ecl doesnt have mt in swank 08:16:50 i tried, i put linux on asus transformer 08:16:58 and making project for uni 08:17:00 ah 08:17:17 with hunchentoot (internet applications course) 08:17:39 and it were hanging after calling hunchentoot since i couldnt swank neither spawn 08:18:00 nilsi [~nilsi@2.68.39.126.mobile.tre.se] has joined #lisp 08:18:18 Actually, I believe that clisp has multithreading support as an option. I don't know if it works on arm. 08:18:48 well, tbh i didn't check it , as lazy person i just grabbed tarball from archlinuxarm 08:18:53 precompiled 08:19:15 afaik they doesnt have hashtables sharing decent support (i mean its locked for time of operation) 08:19:53 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-5d81699e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:20:04 Well, threads do kind of suck. :) 08:20:24 hmph, when you are playing with working program they help 08:20:32 since you can connect while its running 08:20:56 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.83.236] has joined #lisp 08:26:46 jackdaniel: hmm I've used swank with ecl and threads, but of course you have to reserve that first thread for it (you'd have to for the native REPL anyway as well) 08:28:55 phadthai: well, i gave ecl barely a try and didnt worked with (swank:create-server :port *port* :dont-close t) 08:29:09 i made server on my 32 and connected via tf101 08:29:29 -!- hiato [~hiato@41-133-149-15.dsl.mweb.co.za] has quit [Quit: Nothing so gives the illusion of intelligence as personal association with large sums.] 08:29:38 (32bit computer and connected via ssh with it from transformer) 08:30:09 ghard [~ghard@2001:980:53f7:1:b989:ff99:994d:4f59] has joined #lisp 08:30:39 processes are more resilient than threads, but are best for share-nothing or share-little scenarios (it's hard to "grow" shared memory resources effectively), and with a language with a GC, every process needs a huge heap... in those languages threads are at least generally less dangerous because of safety features of the language libraries and GC heap management 08:31:32 pellegrino [~pellegrin@85.17.26.2] has joined #lisp 08:33:37 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.13.20] has joined #lisp 08:33:38 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.13.20] has quit [Changing host] 08:33:38 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 08:34:15 phadthai: Actually, regarding GC, that's nonsense. 08:34:46 lulz 08:35:01 There's no reason that you need a large heap for GC, and erlang demonstrates this well with its bazillion processes all with their own little GC'd heaps. 08:35:19 in practice the heap is generally large for performance in most implementations 08:35:28 and simplicity 08:35:44 In practice the heap is generally large because people want to throw in the kitchen sink. 08:40:03 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:40:06 jackdaniel: hmm I checked the code of a daemon here which has the option to launch swank at startup, and I forgot the reason but it seems that I needed to use eval for the swank command 08:40:09 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 08:40:18 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.13.20] has joined #lisp 08:40:18 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.13.20] has quit [Changing host] 08:40:18 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 08:40:51 jackdaniel: but other than that I just tested it and it still works 08:42:13 -!- Sean-Der [~sean@c-24-12-64-138.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:43:17 -!- bjorkintosh [~bjork@ip68-13-229-200.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:46:08 Sean-Der [~sean@c-24-12-64-138.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:46:21 bjorkintosh [~bjork@ip68-13-229-200.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 08:49:19 phadthai: yes, swank is created, but spawn isnt implemented, therefore swank hangs waiting for connection. i can connect from one client. second hangs till first disconnects 08:49:49 phadthai: so if i run hunchentoot for instance, i cant play with it from enother connection 08:50:32 oh well yes I only connected one slime instance at a time to swank, it was only for administration or interactive development 08:50:45 -!- galdor [~galdor@78.193.58.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:50:47 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:50:47 :) 08:53:05 ill check ccl later tho, hope it will do 08:53:09 and the daemon software ensures to reserve that first thread for swank or repl use (unless it's told reopen the descriptors to null), and launches its own thread manager thread 08:53:50 I have no experience with ccl but often heard or read good things of it 08:54:31 galdor [~galdor@78.193.58.122] has joined #lisp 08:54:34 -!- pellegrino is now known as zz_pellegrino 08:54:52 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 08:54:53 -!- zz_pellegrino is now known as pellegrino 08:55:41 knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-235-128.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 08:55:45 -!- knob [~knob@adsl-64-237-235-128.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:56:03 xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-blsqeqovimcrvzgz] has joined #lisp 08:57:09 well, there is no ccl in repos, ill check later 09:03:36 -!- redsnow [~matao@113.96.117.181] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:03:42 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:04:45 -!- ramkrsna 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[~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 09:40:54 -!- arrsim [~user@mail.fitness2live.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:44:42 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:46:50 bitonic [~user@97e10035.skybroadband.com] has joined #lisp 09:47:38 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 09:48:56 rudi [~rudi@1x-193-157-204-30.uio.no] has joined #lisp 09:49:14 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:51:20 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:55:46 A question about quicklisp: Under Linux I make a symbolic link from my source tree to ~/quicklisp/local-projects ... Is there a similar way for quicklisp under Windows? 09:57:27 -!- p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:04:33 cygwin maybe 10:06:14 or you can set PATH variable 10:06:55 hm... 10:06:58 krrrcks: you can add all directories containing .asd file to the asdf:*central-registry* variable 10:07:15 krrrcks: quicklisp uses asdf, so that mechanism works well 10:07:16 like set PATH=$PATH;c:\quicklisp\ 10:07:39 H4ns: Ah, thanks 10:07:42 jackdaniel: quicklisp uses the PATH environment variable to find its libraries? 10:08:10 -!- knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-235-128.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:08:39 knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-235-128.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 10:08:55 H4ns: i dont really know, just a suggestion. im not much on lisp yet :p just started. it works on linux tho 10:09:06 i have no windows since quite long ime 10:09:10 time* 10:09:31 jackdaniel: if you don't know what you're talking about, maybe don't make suggestions? 10:10:16 sounds like a good point, yet aggressive 10:10:42 jackdaniel: *shrug* you can try to not be offended :D 10:10:46 -!- ckoch786_ [~quassel@108-70-143-173.lightspeed.toldoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:10:48 loke [~user@c-89c9e555.019-163-73746f39.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 10:11:10 *jackdaniel* tries from all his powers *blinks* 10:19:55 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 10:22:45 -!- knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-235-128.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:23:09 knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-235-128.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 10:30:14 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:35:41 -!- hajovonta [aplse@62.212.72.240] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:37:28 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 10:40:23 pavelpenev [~quassel@85.130.70.65] has joined #lisp 10:42:21 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-1-78.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:43:39 -!- statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-229-237.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:48:54 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:52:39 -!- arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-csgjkajsmpkztkhw] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:54:06 -!- jackdaniel [~jack@c65-85.icpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:55:08 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-blsqeqovimcrvzgz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:55:27 -!- Quadrescence [180405b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.4.5.176] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:57:13 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:03:10 xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-khelpznkuegdqxao] has joined #lisp 11:05:02 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.13.20] has joined #lisp 11:05:02 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.13.20] has quit [Changing host] 11:05:02 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 11:07:56 arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-bdtbsmekagcblddx] has joined #lisp 11:10:43 -!- zeroish [~zeroish@135.207.174.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:12:36 -!- knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-235-128.prtc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:14:13 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:21:21 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:21:27 -!- arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-bdtbsmekagcblddx] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:22:07 ehaliewi` [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 11:26:40 zRecursive [~czsq888@182.151.128.207] has joined #lisp 11:27:14 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 11:28:27 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@95.35.60.223] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:42:29 statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-229-237.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 11:43:46 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:43:46 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:44:07 -!- ehaliewi` [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:45:59 arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-cjqomlouvtylrxxn] has joined #lisp 11:46:31 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.32.56] has joined #lisp 11:48:01 -!- `fogus [~fogus@freedom.d-a-s.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48:05 Greetings. 11:48:21 -!- mskou72 [~mskou72@91.144.254.250] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:50:23 Did I miss something important? 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12:23:30 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-66-59.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:23:30 -!- MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-108-38-175-139.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:23:30 -!- mattrepl_ is now known as mattrepl 12:23:35 hitecnologys: I try to do it once per month 12:23:49 I missed May due to time constraints 12:23:49 -!- sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:24:05 -!- __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:24:06 -!- clog [~nef@bespin.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:24:07 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-42-181.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:24:09 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:24:09 -!- Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:24:11 -!- namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:24:23 Why don't you write autoupdater? 12:24:42 -!- statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-229-237.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:24:42 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:24:42 -!- ericmathison [~ericmathi@172-15-249-133.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:24:57 ericmathison [~ericmathi@172-15-249-133.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 12:25:13 hitecnologys: It is highly automated, but there are some parts that are still manual. 12:25:18 -!- tkd [~tomek@tlahuizcalpantecuhtli.wa.ht] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:25:21 -!- cross [cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:25:27 There are opportunities for further automation, but those take time to create. 12:25:29 cross [cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net] has joined #lisp 12:25:43 tkd [~tomek@tlahuizcalpantecuhtli.wa.ht] has joined #lisp 12:26:02 statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-229-237.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 12:26:40 What kind of opportunities? I have this summer holidays thing so I can spend some my free time thinking about this stuff. 12:27:02 I shouldn't be very difficult task, I hope. 12:28:18 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 12:28:33 Like reporting bugs when things that used to build stop building. 12:28:59 Hm, like bug tracker? 12:29:12 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 12:29:19 Like finding the appropriate project bug tracker and submitting it there. 12:29:28 zophy [~sy@24.220.134.176] has joined #lisp 12:29:35 loke [~user@c-89c9e555.019-163-73746f39.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 12:29:40 Hm, sounds cool. 12:30:18 It might be nice to set up a meta-bugtracker to track bugs submitted to other bug trackers. 12:30:34 But probably not a meta-metabugtracker, unless there are bugs in the meta-bugtracker. 12:31:22 Joreji [~thomas@70-219.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 12:36:32 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.83.236] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:38:17 You could just add special category to meta-bugtracker to track bugs in meta-bugtracker. 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 14:58:19 PuercoPop [~user@199.47.72.30] has joined #lisp 14:58:44 how do i start an emacs lisp REPL in emacs 24 14:59:19 you ask #emacs 14:59:23 M-x ielm. For more help on that it's better to go to #emacs 14:59:33 thank you 15:03:12 -!- daem0n [~lurk3r@unaffiliated/mryaargh] has quit [Quit: o/] 15:06:56 -!- statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-229-237.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:07:04 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 15:07:20 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:07:26 nbjoerg [~joerg@netbsd/developer/joerg] has joined #lisp 15:07:56 I'm looking for someone with detailed knowledge about the stack handling in clisp. any volunteers? 15:08:25 nbjoerg: possibly slim pickings here. the mailing list might be better. (few people here use clisp) 15:08:31 ikki [~ikki@201.164.189.190] has joined #lisp 15:08:37 -!- zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:10:08 MithrilTuxedo [~MithrilTu@66-162-141-202.static.twtelecom.net] has joined #lisp 15:11:16 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:12:18 is there a way to list the files in a directory? A library or something? 15:12:41 dcooper8 [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:13:06 PuercoPop: DIRECTORY may do what you need. 15:13:08 It is standard. 15:13:09 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:13:53 clhs directory 15:13:53 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_dir.htm 15:13:59 thanks 15:14:32 -!- ghard [~ghard@2001:980:53f7:1:b989:ff99:994d:4f59] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:15:36 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.164.189.190] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 15:16:50 -!- balle [~balle@pulsar.inf.ethz.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:18:44 -!- aftershave [~textual@h-123-171-229.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 15:19:58 setmeaway [~setmeaway@119.201.52.138] has joined #lisp 15:21:26 oudeis [~oudeis@95.35.60.223] has joined #lisp 15:21:44 _d3f [~gnu@94.242.252.66] has joined #lisp 15:21:45 Denommus` [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus/x-89635553] has joined #lisp 15:22:09 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:24:06 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:25:03 -!- nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@costanza.wg.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:28:25 ikki [~ikki@201.164.189.190] has joined #lisp 15:29:42 -!- krishnak [~krishnak@63.251.54.158] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:30:15 H4ns: is there some process updating file timestamps on weitz.de? I use if-modified-since to fetch the archives, and many (cl-fad, cl-who at least) show a timestamp of today, though the contents seem unchanged. 15:30:26 cl-unicode too 15:31:44 this is caused by edi's simplistic file mirror mechanism 15:31:55 maybe you can complain to him? 15:32:11 you're the one having teh diplomatic skills 15:32:13 So if if the clhs directory not talk about ordering (for wildcard matches for example) I shouldn't assume any order right? 15:32:38 PuercoPop: you can't assume anything about ordering. (i was bitten by making such an assumption) 15:33:00 H4ns: Thanks. I'll drop him an email sometime. 15:34:46 Xach: Thanks. I'll work around it then! 15:36:53 -!- antgreen_ [green@nat/redhat/x-yrguefcmdgujtjhj] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:40:00 -!- Denommus` [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus/x-89635553] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:41:52 -!- jhj [~jhj@unaffiliated/jhj] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:46:23 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:46:25 nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-133-250.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 15:49:32 -!- dcooper8 [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: dcooper8] 15:49:44 -!- weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:49:53 AeroNotix [~xeno@abor76.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 15:50:16 after pathane directory returns my a list, how to I use that list to convert it to a pathname once more? 15:50:55 PuercoPop: look at cl-fad 15:51:06 *PuercoPop* nods 15:52:01 PuercoPop: I don't understand. DIRECTORY returns a list of pathnames - then what do you want from that? 15:52:18 Xach: he's talking about pathname-directory 15:52:19 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-243-183.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:52:31 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 15:52:40 -!- froggey [~froggey@unaffiliated/froggey] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:53:08 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-1-78.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:53:14 Because can't assume ordering I want to for every file look for a file with the same pattern in that directory as to build a complete list. ie. (001.http 001.lisp) 15:53:46 yeah about pathname-directory. directory worked out fine. I will look into cl-fad anyway 15:54:03 make-pathname is a fine thing to use to turn a pathname-directory list back into a pathname. 15:54:21 PuercoPop: I like using the :defaults option in make-pathname in situations like that. 15:54:36 dcooper8 [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:54:45 e.g. if I have foo as #p"foo.html", (make-pathname :type "lisp" :defaults foo) will produce #p"foo.lisp" 15:55:44 i agree. rarely do i find a use for pathname-directory 15:55:59 It's useful if you have a small set of variations, not as useful if you have a lot of potentially unknown variations. 15:56:19 it is easy to write non-portable programs when messing with pathname-directory, too 15:56:28 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 15:56:58 jhj [~jhj@unaffiliated/jhj] has joined #lisp 15:58:22 Xach: ah I was missing the directory key. Either way going to scan through cl-fad's documentation to see if it makes things easier, I only need to transverse directories to write the test runner. 15:59:29 froggey [~froggey@unaffiliated/froggey] has joined #lisp 16:00:53 -!- smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:04 -!- dcooper8 [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: dcooper8] 16:01:47 -!- breakds [~breakds@cpe-74-79-147-26.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:03:19 -!- mskou72 [~mskou72@2-108-36-155-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:04:10 Corvidium [~cosman246@208.74.155.54] has joined #lisp 16:07:44 bitonic [~user@dyn1222-95.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 16:14:23 yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:14:33 -!- yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:14:33 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 16:17:39 weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 16:19:56 remote swank is to transparent that I forgot I was working on my workstation. Made me wonder how I'd managed to run SSE 4.1 code on this old macbook for a short while (: 16:20:50 statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-229-237.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 16:22:06 anyone familiar with elephant? 16:22:58 ,anyone 16:23:00 to what does (let ((v 1)) (lambda () v) evaluate ... why can't i used it as a function directly but i have to use funcall 16:23:10 *sellout-* likes to pretend that that works here. 16:23:48 jackdaniel: Just ask your question. If someone has an idea, theyll offer it. 16:24:39 ;; Connection to Emacs lost. [ condition: NIL fell through ETYPECASE expression. Wanted one of (SWANK::SINGLETHREADED-CONNECTION SWANK::MULTITHREADED-CONNECTION). type: SB-KERNEL:CASE-FAILURE style: :SPAWN] 16:24:56 sellout-: makes sense. well, out of curiosity i worked that around. anyway - get-instances-by-class duplicates results 16:25:08 and i have no idea why 16:25:09 well, it seems I won't be able to control my long running script then? it used to just accept M-x slime-connect before (on other instances) 16:25:13 probably its a feature 16:25:15 sĐ 16:25:25 any idea about how to read that trace or what to do with it? 16:26:05 (get-instances-by-value returns all fine) 16:26:20 tseno: it evaluates to a function object, and you can't put it in the function position because that's how CL works. 16:26:52 ahahah... that's all clear 16:31:02 -!- elh [~elawrence@65.206.112.28] has quit [Quit: elh] 16:32:31 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-237-000.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:35:32 -!- stardiviner [~quassel@122.236.248.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:36:48 stardiviner [~quassel@122.236.248.77] has joined #lisp 16:36:51 nyef [~nyef@c-50-157-244-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:42:26 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Quit: bye] 16:43:53 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.32.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:44:48 jewel [~jewel@105-236-245-37.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:48:51 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.32.56] has joined #lisp 16:49:29 smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has joined #lisp 16:50:24 -!- nyef [~nyef@c-50-157-244-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:50:33 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:50:38 nyef [~nyef@c-50-157-244-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:52:05 is there something like prolog SLD resolution for common lisp ... i mean some formal model which i can use to explain how things work 16:53:20 clhs 3.1.2 16:53:20 The Evaluation Model: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/03_ab.htm 16:54:01 thank you 16:54:11 -!- PuercoPop [~user@199.47.72.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:55:51 josemanuel [~josemanue@27.196.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 17:00:42 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@27.196.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:00:51 josemanuel [~josemanue@125.212.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 17:01:10 pnpuff [~ff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 17:04:52 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:07:50 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f754a0d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:08:30 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 17:10:13 -!- stardiviner [~quassel@122.236.248.77] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 17:10:40 stardiviner [~quassel@122.236.248.77] has joined #lisp 17:16:31 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@242.Red-83-49-69.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:16:34 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:17:02 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 17:17:14 elh_ [~elawrence@65.206.112.28] has joined #lisp 17:18:08 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #lisp 17:19:30 kami` [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has joined #lisp 17:19:41 Good evening. 17:19:53 kami`: 17:19:55 hellow sir 17:19:57 \o/ 17:20:01 you're here 17:20:10 i don't know you... are you a nice person ? 17:21:10 tseno: if you read    you would know, that everybody is nice ;D 17:21:18 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@95.35.60.223] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:21:54 jackdaniel: and they had eternal peace ... because they have not deserved eternal bliss 17:22:07 :) \o/ 17:23:59 -!- BitPuffin [~quassel@s83-176-220-41.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:24:23    17:25:19 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-251-99.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:25:26 no you are not 17:25:36 -!- nbjoerg [~joerg@netbsd/developer/joerg] has left #lisp 17:25:47 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@2.80.250.9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:26:03 jdoles [~jdoles@unaffiliated/jdoles] has joined #lisp 17:26:22 How do I evaluate the whole buffer in SLIME? 17:26:45 C-x h C-x e doesn't seem to do this. 17:28:35 there is slime-pprint-eval-region 17:30:17 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.164.189.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:30:21 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:30:29 but that pprints the result in some strange buffer 17:31:04 Houl [~Parmi@unaffiliated/houl] has joined #lisp 17:31:04 youlysses [~user@198.209.220.253] has joined #lisp 17:32:38 kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-11-211.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 17:33:33 abeaumont [~abeaumont@242.Red-83-49-69.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 17:34:04 and C-x e actually runs the last keyboard makro 17:34:10 -!- arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-cjqomlouvtylrxxn] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:34:11 *macro 17:36:53 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:37:57 pinkisntwell [~pinkisntw@213-165-05.netrunp.cytanet.com.cy] has joined #lisp 17:38:45 antonv [5d7d2a74@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.116] has joined #lisp 17:40:21 <|3b|> C-c C-k compiles and loads file associated with buffer, C-c C-l just loads same file, M-x slime-eval-buffer evaluates whole buffer 17:40:24 tseno, I am looking for eval-region like Emacs does for Emacs Lisp code. 17:40:54 *|3b|* suspects M-x slime-eval-region is similar to eval-region 17:41:17 <|3b|> which seems to be C-c C-r 17:45:58 nug700 [~nug700@209-181-103-52.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:49:01 Blkt [~user@82.84.167.73] has joined #lisp 17:51:23 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-1-78.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:51:44 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 17:52:25 (my-apply '(lambda (x y) (cons y x)) '(a b) 'nil) => (B . A) , but are proper my-evlis function traces http://paste.lisp.org/display/137622#7 ? thx 17:59:47 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@125.212.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:59:53 josemanuel_ [~josemanue@125.212.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 17:59:57 lukas [~lukas@194.228.13.214] has joined #lisp 18:00:33 PuercoPop [~user@199.47.72.30] has joined #lisp 18:02:52 -!- dfox [~dfox@178.248.252.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:03:22 -!- pnpuff [~ff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:03:34 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:04:53 pnpuff [~ff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:05:25 can i have autocomplete in slime... like in *ielm* 18:07:57 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:09:44 josemanuel [~josemanue@225.206.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 18:10:09 -!- josemanuel_ [~josemanue@125.212.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:10:12 Quadrescence [180405b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.4.5.176] has joined #lisp 18:14:30 tseno: C-c TAB 18:14:38 merci 18:14:52 it's undefined .o 18:15:51 tseno: slime-complete-symbol 18:16:04 (maybe that was a keybinding of mine, sorry) 18:16:25 -!- sellout- [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:16:30 dfox [~dfox@178.248.252.209] has joined #lisp 18:16:37 thank you luis 18:16:49 tseno: what bindings does yours have? 18:17:35 sellout- [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has joined #lisp 18:18:02 comint bindings 0o 18:19:07 -!- j0ni__ is now known as j0ni 18:20:20 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@225.206.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21:25 tseno: try also C-c M-i 18:21:43 tseno: it is so called "fuzzy completion" 18:22:25 josemanuel [~josemanue@233.198.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 18:23:20 thank you tonik 18:23:39 -!- youlysses [~user@198.209.220.253] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:23:56 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.219.4] has joined #lisp 18:24:39 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 18:26:16 Myk267 [~myk@unaffiliated/myk267] has joined #lisp 18:28:06 -!- MouseTheLuckyDog [~mouse@adsl-76-193-164-193.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:28:21 -!- naryl1 [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:29:05 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-1-78.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:29:35 milosn_ [~milosn@user-5af50db7.broadband.tesco.net] has joined #lisp 18:30:17 -!- milosn [~milosn@user-5af50db7.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:30:45 -!- paddymahoney [~patrick@24.137.221.230] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:32:14 Kenjin [~kenjin@bl19-250-9.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 18:32:21 sellout-1 [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has joined #lisp 18:32:45 -!- milosn_ is now known as milosn 18:33:09 ASau` [~user@p4FF97857.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:35:48 -!- sellout- [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:35:57 pierpa``` [~user@host111-221-dynamic.52-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:35:59 pierpa`` [~user@host111-221-dynamic.52-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:36:16 pierpa` [~user@host111-221-dynamic.52-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:36:23 -!- ASau [~user@p4FF96425.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:37:37 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 18:37:56 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 18:38:48 Is it idiomatic to define functions inside of functions for the helpers or just use flet? 18:39:05 PuercoPop: you can't use defun to define functions "inside" of other functions. 18:39:14 FLET or LABELS is the way to do that. 18:39:21 PuercoPop: You probably want to use flet. defun doesnt really scope that way. 18:39:36 Ahh so I've been reading too much scheme 18:39:37 DEFUN always creates a global function. 18:39:42 Sounds likely. 18:39:53 scopre? I know labals is for functions to recur on themselves 18:41:57 spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 18:43:43 tseno: oh, definitely load the slime-fancy contrib! 18:44:16 -!- shwouchk [~user@unaffiliated/shwouchk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:50:42 tseno: ^^-- (require 'slime) (slime-setup '(slime-fancy)) 18:52:54 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-202-113-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 18:53:06 zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has joined #lisp 18:53:18 jlongster [~user@pool-96-238-181-209.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:54:51 -!- Watcher7|off is now known as Watcher7 18:55:04 PuercoPop: flet is scoped to the body of flet, labels is scoped to both the body and the body of the function definitions 18:55:32 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 18:55:44 -!- agumonkey [~agu@194.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:55:48 defun defines it globally 18:56:31 *nods* And is it bad for the scopre to include the definitions? The reason I had read to distinguish between labels and flet is to differentiate on intent. (Use labels when wanting to do recursive invocations, otherwise flet) 18:56:55 -!- NimeshNeema [uid2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qdwjmjqjkhwjzjbd] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:57:47 -!- schoppenhauer [~quassel@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 18:58:02 think of labels as something like a flet* (if there was one) 18:58:03 -!- H4ns [hans@netzhansa.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:58:09 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:58:22 with a slight variation: LABELS can refer to preceding AND succeeding functions (and itself) 18:58:29 -!- Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:58:30 aha 18:59:17 joneshf-work [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #lisp 18:59:19 -!- ggherdov [uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wuqvsdwtlqelfthj] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:59:26 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 18:59:33 m4dnificent [~madnifice@static.146.73.9.176.clients.your-server.de] has joined #lisp 18:59:33 -!- Quadrescence [180405b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.4.5.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:00:19 -!- antifuchs [~foobar@boots.boinkor.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:00:20 -!- cYmen [~cymen@squint.a-oben.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:00:24 -!- sellout-1 [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:00:32 -!- eMBee [~eMBee@foresight/developer/pike/programmer] has quit [Ping timeout: 275 seconds] 19:00:41 -!- rotty [rotty@yade.xx.vu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:00:48 rotty [rotty@yade.xx.vu] has joined #lisp 19:00:52 cYmen [~cymen@squint.a-oben.org] has joined #lisp 19:00:53 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@static.146.73.9.176.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:01:12 <|3b|> aren't LABELS functions in scope for the lambda lists of the defined functions in addition to their body? 19:01:14 *PuercoPop* nods 19:01:15 -!- yano [yano@freenode/staff/yano] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:01:34 H4ns [hans@netzhansa.com] has joined #lisp 19:01:56 ikki [~ikki@201.164.189.190] has joined #lisp 19:03:22 agumonkey [~agu@194.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 19:03:53 eMBee [~eMBee@foresight/developer/pike/programmer] has joined #lisp 19:04:08 Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #lisp 19:04:27 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:04:35 *jasom* just uses lables always unless he wants to specifically call out to the shadowed definition from one of the functions in flet 19:04:40 ggherdov [uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bxscawvyaonswzia] has joined #lisp 19:04:58 -!- Posterdati [~antani@host210-219-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:06:22 Posterdati [~antani@host210-219-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 19:08:07 schoppenhauer [~quassel@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 19:09:18 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:10:16 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:11:03 I always start with FLET and 98% of the time find I need labels 19:11:47 I'd use FLET a lot more if it were more like FLET* 19:11:50 *pjb* usually knows whether he will write a recursive function or not. 19:12:00 -!- scharan [~scharan@caps04.cs.ucr.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:12:04 -!- zbigniew [~zb@3e8.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:12:24 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:12:39 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has joined #lisp 19:13:09 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@fsf/member/arbscht] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:13:32 yano [yano@freenode/staff/yano] has joined #lisp 19:13:37 pjb: I don't always know the level to which i will decompose into subfunctions. 19:13:44 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 19:15:06 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:15:53 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 19:16:02 zbigniew [~zb@3e8.org] has joined #lisp 19:16:49 arbscht [~arbscht@fsf/member/arbscht] has joined #lisp 19:17:51 -!- Myk267 [~myk@unaffiliated/myk267] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:18:02 scharan [~scharan@caps04.cs.ucr.edu] has joined #lisp 19:19:26 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-1-78.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:23:04 is it much better to have labels/flets compared to having other functions? I don't like the notation much, so I've been prefering dynamic binding to closures in some places because of that 19:25:12 paddymahoney [~patrick@24.137.221.230] has joined #lisp 19:25:58 -!- pnpuff [~ff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 19:26:44 -!- PuercoPop [~user@199.47.72.30] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:27:12 dim: I often like giving meaningful names to code, but sometimes that code is of very limited applicability. 19:27:58 that's why I export very few of the functions I define in my packages 19:28:22 so I guess it's purely aesthetics? 19:28:30 (make it habits) 19:28:36 -!- pierpa` [~user@host111-221-dynamic.52-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: q] 19:28:39 antgreen_ [~green@out-on-179.wireless.telus.com] has joined #lisp 19:28:59 -!- pierpa``` [~user@host111-221-dynamic.52-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:29:11 -!- pierpa`` [~user@host111-221-dynamic.52-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:29:19 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 19:29:52 pierpa [~user@host111-221-dynamic.52-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 19:30:53 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 19:30:53 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 19:30:53 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 19:31:05 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 19:31:53 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-202-113-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:33:04 hsc [~hsc@c-24-18-254-42.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:33:30 dim: What do you mean by "dynamic binding to closures"? 19:34:11 labels allow you to use closures, right? 19:34:29 I don't know what you're getting at, sorry. 19:34:33 using only defun, one of them won't see internal bindings of the other one, what if you want to "share" them? 19:35:08 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 19:35:15 I mean the caller can't just assume that the callee can use the local bindings, as I got used to rely on in Emacs Lisp --> dynamic binding 19:35:22 is it clearer that way? 19:35:41 PuercoPop [~user@199.47.72.30] has joined #lisp 19:35:49 No, I don't really know how the discussion changed from locally-scoped named functions to closures and callers and callees. 19:36:16 ok, for me that's still the same topic, maybe I can make a little stupid example 19:36:37 dim: I very rarely need dynamically scoped functions. They might be idiomatic in older elisp, but not in CL. 19:36:43 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:36:48 my guess is that dim talks about using ordinary defuns instead of defining local functions 19:37:02 (defun foo () (let ((a 1)) (labels ((tool (x) (+ a x)))) (tool 2))) 19:38:24 (defun tool (x) (declare (special *a*)) (+ a x)) (defun foo () (let ((*a* 1)) (declare (special *a*)) (tool 2))) 19:38:31 well that's my poor attempt 19:38:41 dim: What's that meant to illustrate? 19:38:55 my lack of taste for labels 19:39:01 dim: well, that's kinda cryptic 19:39:02 pnpuff [~ff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 19:39:07 yeah 19:39:18 dim: I would not like to read code like that 19:39:32 let's all just pretend I didn't need that keep-your-sanity lisp break, and I'll get back to C and elisp code 19:40:10 adeht: I don't like long functions, and labels artificially create very long functions 19:40:50 I don't think those two things are strongly related. 19:41:16 oh, and when you said "dynamically scoped functions" I thought you meant restart-bind 19:41:24 agreed, it's just a pair of tools 19:41:53 Krystof: CL glossary is kind of hard to get used to, sorry about being sloppy 19:42:59 dim: well, I don't like long functions too.. and usually my tendency is to use defun rather than local functions, except when they're the main part of the function, or when I write some state machine-like hack 19:45:14 http://paste.lisp.org/display/137639 19:46:45 Krystof: any reason to prefer that to an honest special binding? 19:47:29 only the distinct namespace 19:48:06 and the "huh, you can do that?" reaction it sometimes gets 19:48:35 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ejohnson] 19:48:49 Quadrescence had something similar to re-express simple generators, but I still don't understand why he chose to exploit the condition system rather than a simple special binding. 19:49:33 -!- Houl [~Parmi@unaffiliated/houl] has quit [Quit: weil das Wetter so schön ist] 19:53:34 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 19:53:44 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:56:34 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-11-211.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:58:17 -!- |3b| [foobar@cpe-72-177-66-41.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:00:21 -!- _d3f [~gnu@94.242.252.66] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 20:05:53 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:06:45 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08:04 `fogus [~fogus@freedom.d-a-s.com] has joined #lisp 20:08:44 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@208.74.155.54] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:08:57 Quadrescence [180405b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.4.5.176] has joined #lisp 20:11:02 -!- joshe [~joshe@opal.elsasser.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:11:10 joshe [~joshe@opal.elsasser.org] has joined #lisp 20:12:13 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 20:14:01 -!- `fogus [~fogus@freedom.d-a-s.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:14:37 Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #lisp 20:19:02 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-169-124.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:20:10 -!- pnpuff [~ff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:21:18 AeroNoti1 [~xeno@abny91.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:22:05 imu96 [~imran@91.140.164.181] has joined #lisp 20:22:25 -!- Quadrescence [180405b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.4.5.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:23:33 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-245-37.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:23:53 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 20:25:01 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abor76.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:25:35 -!- imu96 [~imran@91.140.164.181] has quit [Client Quit] 20:29:42 -!- AeroNoti1 [~xeno@abny91.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 20:29:57 AeroNotix [~xeno@abny91.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:31:04 -!- smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.3.1] 20:32:16 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-1-78.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:33:49 dim: indeed, one big advantage of flet/labels over defun is that we're dealing with lexical closures, so there's no need for special variables. Along with macrolet, they let you define mini-DSLs to implement a single function/algorithm. 20:34:37 They'll probably be more efficient than global functions too, so for inner loops, I again prefer flet/labels. 20:34:57 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:35:53 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:37:06 *bhyde* would rather introduce a local function name v.s. write a comment. 20:38:10 minion: memo for pnpuff: well your evlis seems to work as it should. The only regretable thing, is that (my-eval 'x '()) --> nil instead of unbound variable error. For a bootstrapping system it's ok, for a real developement environment, it's bad. 20:38:10 Remembered. I'll tell pnpuff when he/she/it next speaks. 20:41:57 Xach: the quicklisp FAQ mentions "You will be able to make your own private repositories of Quicklisp software (called dists), but it's not documented right now.". 20:42:20 Can I find out more by looking at quicklisp-client's code? 20:43:39 -!- statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-229-237.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:46:04 weie_ [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 20:46:21 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:48:04 -!- namtsui` [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:48:13 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 20:49:18 -!- weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:49:26 namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:49:57 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.219.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:51:06 -!- antgreen_ [~green@out-on-179.wireless.telus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:51:41 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:51:59 -!- zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has left #lisp 20:52:33 -!- ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:52:40 kami`: it's talked about in some blog IIRC. 20:56:28 -!- loke [~user@c-89c9e555.019-163-73746f39.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:56:53 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@242.Red-83-49-69.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:57:25 -!- wyan [~wyan@ec2-54-246-94-212.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:58:02 -!- jackdaniel [~jack@c65-85.icpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:58:11 -!- jhj [~jhj@unaffiliated/jhj] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:59:08 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75d665.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:00:18 -!- xaxisx [~xaxisx@24.137.208.218] has quit [Quit: xaxisx] 21:01:28 -!- ELLIOTTCABLE [~me@ell.io] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:33 wyan [~wyan@ec2-54-246-94-212.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 21:01:35 NimeshNeema [uid2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dlcuuusdoiyerbln] has joined #lisp 21:01:37 ELLIOTTCABLE [~me@ell.io] has joined #lisp 21:02:44 jhj [~jhj@unaffiliated/jhj] has joined #lisp 21:02:50 equalp: the first "cool feature" is why the other three are not used often. 21:04:33 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@233.198.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:04:33 -!- nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-133-250.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:04:37 josemanuel_ [~josemanue@139.205.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 21:05:26 If anyone has old lisp files containing useful functionality lying around and wouldn't mind them being in the public domain, please send them to me, even if it maybe only contains a few gems among the coal. :) 21:05:53 Quadrescence: there are still tons of libraries without asd files, and therefore not on quicklisp! 21:06:22 ailab repository. Start with pseudo-scheme, and PCL. 21:06:47 then clocc, all those libraries using defsystem, etc. 21:06:52 -!- weie_ [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:06:58 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:07:27 weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 21:07:28 -!- cajetanus [~user@2a01:4f8:162:44c1::2] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:07:56 Even on common-lisp.net, AFAIK there must be a sizeable proportion of them not on asdf/quicklisp. 21:08:36 Well I am in particular looking for utilities, not to become a maintainer of more libraries that I have ASDF'd. 21:09:00 (though sometimes I don't mind doing that, for example with COMPUTABLE-REALS) 21:09:11 Well, for the kind of snippets you're looking for, I guess code from books would be a good source. 21:09:26 yes that is a good idea 21:09:31 But then they're copyrighted in general. 21:10:26 -!- ahungry [~null@66.184.106.97] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:15:09 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-1-78.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:15:32 well clocc/ytools are utility libs 21:16:31 abeaumont [~abeaumont@242.Red-83-49-69.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 21:19:47 *Quadrescence* didn't know about YTools. 21:20:30 It has very interesting utilities. Most of what I've seen so far seems to be somewhat arbitrary (?) syntactic changes to existing functionality. 21:21:42 -!- dented42 [~dented42@opengroove.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:23:18 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-1-78.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 21:25:41 pjb: thank you for the blog hint. 21:27:09 -!- pinkisntwell [~pinkisntw@213-165-05.netrunp.cytanet.com.cy] has left #lisp 21:27:53 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.154.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:32:18 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.249.209] has joined #lisp 21:32:18 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.249.209] has quit [Changing host] 21:32:18 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 21:35:11 -!- fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:35:19 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:35:29 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 21:36:06 -!- agumonkey [~agu@194.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:36:20 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:37:48 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:37:50 -!- PuercoPop [~user@199.47.72.30] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:38:26 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.32.56] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 21:40:18 PuercoPop [~user@199.47.72.30] has joined #lisp 21:41:04 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@78.96.108.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:41:40 -!- nyef [~nyef@c-50-157-244-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 21:48:42 kami`: could you retrieve it? 21:49:39 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@108-225-26-178.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:50:15 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 21:50:54 ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has joined #lisp 21:51:07 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 21:51:14 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:56 Is there anything unusual about macros in ABCL? I was surprised to find that macros in files I compiled and loaded caused ABCL to emit a style warning about redefinition. 21:53:39 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:56:35 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abny91.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:58:03 rpg: maybe because a macro redefinition might generate alternative code and all code depending on it might need to also be rebuilt 21:59:07 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn1222-95.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:00:32 jute [~Thunderbi@2.174.37.227] has joined #lisp 22:01:34 drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 22:01:56 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@208.91.164.254] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:03:17 -!- lukas [~lukas@194.228.13.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:06:21 kami`: yes, that's one way to figure it out. 22:06:46 kami`: all you really have to do is make index files (systems.txt, releases.txt, distinfo.txt) and put them on the web somewhere along with project archives. 22:06:53 easy as 1, 2, pi 22:08:06 phadthai: I don't know why this should be happening only in ABCL, then. Same code runs in SBCL and ACL w/o warnings.... 22:09:37 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:11:19 cmatei [~cmatei@78.96.108.142] has joined #lisp 22:11:30 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:11:48 Just loaded ~/.abclrc into sbcl --no-userinit. As expected: no style warnings. 22:13:23 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 22:18:22 -!- mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:19:55 -!- jlongster [~user@pool-96-238-181-209.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:24:15 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:25:40 nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 22:28:12 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:29:34 anyone here done the lisp koans? 22:29:51 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 22:29:55 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:31:16 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 22:32:01 -!- natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 22:32:43 -!- elh_ [~elawrence@65.206.112.28] has quit [Quit: elh_] 22:35:29 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-1-78.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35:59 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 22:36:53 -!- paddymahoney [~patrick@24.137.221.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:38:18 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 22:38:19 -!- ryankarason is now known as rk[food] 22:38:32 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 22:39:34 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-241-48-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:39:51 divané 22:39:56 woops 22:40:23 antgreen_ [~green@out-on-217.wireless.telus.com] has joined #lisp 22:41:23 -!- PuercoPop [~user@199.47.72.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:43:38 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Quit: rpg] 22:46:04 -!- antgreen_ [~green@out-on-217.wireless.telus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:49:18 hmm clon (cmdline parser) is actually not bad, 22:49:52 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.154.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 22:51:50 xaxisx [~xaxisx@192-0-130-144.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 22:56:43 paddymahoney [~patrick@198-84-186-52.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 22:59:18 chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-241-240-138.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:59:27 francis_wolke [4441a942@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.68.65.169.66] has joined #lisp 22:59:44 bitonic [~user@97e10035.skybroadband.com] has joined #lisp 23:06:27 daem0n [~lurk3r@unaffiliated/mryaargh] has joined #lisp 23:09:42 youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 23:09:45 -!- ELLIOTTCABLE [~me@ell.io] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:09:55 ELLIOTTCABLE [~me@ell.io] has joined #lisp 23:15:23 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:15:43 jlongster [~user@pool-96-238-181-209.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:19:25 -!- jute [~Thunderbi@2.174.37.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:19:44 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:23:08 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:23:45 -!- jlongster [~user@pool-96-238-181-209.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:23:51 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:24:07 agumonkey [~agu@194.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 23:25:48 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:26:26 MithrilTux [~MithrilTu@66-162-141-202.static.twtelecom.net] has joined #lisp 23:28:41 -!- MithrilTuxedo [~MithrilTu@66-162-141-202.static.twtelecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:31:34 -!- MithrilTux [~MithrilTu@66-162-141-202.static.twtelecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:35:09 it is too bad that something as trivial as REMOVE-SUBSEQ can be under GPL and can't be copied to an incompatible (un)license 23:36:30 so rewrite it 23:36:37 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.164.189.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:37:45 oGMo, yes, that is an easy and obvious solution 23:39:23 but what's the hard and non-obvious one? ;) 23:40:05 writing a plea to authors to be a little more lenient with licensing terms 23:40:09 write a client-server architecture that's GPL'd so you can copy and paste the other code and use it with your other code 23:40:25 (or at least stupid and unobvious) 23:40:25 :) 23:44:28 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:46:57 |3b| [bbb@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:5b65] has joined #lisp 23:48:05 nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-116-81.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 23:51:39 I just wanted to announce the following very interesting news: I used MAPL for the first time ever today. I've only ever used MAPLIST once before. 23:54:58 (defun g () (declare (special x)) (let ((x 3)) (locally (declare (special x)) (print x)))) 23:55:04 why does it print 3 23:55:23 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.154.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:55:36 because the value of x is 3. 23:56:01 but the special x is 6 23:56:12 -!- josemanuel_ [~josemanue@139.205.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 23:56:14 like... the dynamic x 23:57:06 tseno: you have made the special value 3 23:57:22 tseno: LET binds specials to new values, too.