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(function-symbol 'function) as argument 00:26:09 swwet [sp-vs@41.108.105.154] has joined #lisp 00:26:11 -!- swwet [sp-vs@41.108.105.154] has left #lisp 00:26:30 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@h69-21-18-138.nwlnnh.dedicated.static.tds.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:27:18 -!- davazp [~user@165.Red-79-144-63.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:30:46 drmeister [~drmeister@173-162-165-237-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 00:31:09 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@222.182.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 00:34:43 -!- jlongster [~user@pool-96-238-181-209.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:36:36 -!- setheus [~setheus@107-203-153-73.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:37:31 wow, that's interesting: http://www.franz.com/products/allegrocache/ 00:38:16 but it uses Allegro CL 00:44:24 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@c-24-143-118-11.customer.broadstripe.net] has 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[~quassel@cpe-98-27-140-191.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:27:40 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-108-80-229-231.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:34:32 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-108-80-229-231.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:37:35 -!- ckoch786_ [~quassel@cpe-98-27-140-191.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:37:49 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@120.159.228.200] has joined #lisp 01:39:46 i am confused. i downloaded and untar'd the cl-irc package but don't know how to "import" it 01:40:00 (require :cl-irc) fails 01:40:11 ryankarason: use quicklisp 01:40:48 Bike is there other way? the system i am on should work with quicklisp 01:40:56 but another system i have quicklisp fails to load 01:41:12 i have never used anyone elses packages in CL before 01:41:51 yes, you could get asdf to figure out where the source of cl-irc is, but quicklisp is easy and convenient 01:42:07 alright 01:42:15 i will try it out 01:42:38 but again it doesn't work on the system i plan to deploy my project to 01:42:50 drmeister [~drmeister@h69-21-18-138.nwlnnh.dedicated.static.tds.net] has joined #lisp 01:42:53 i have a raspberry pi at home and quicklisp errors every time i try ot load it 01:42:55 -!- Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:46:52 Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #lisp 01:47:14 Bike: thanks for the input. QL seems to be easy enough. 01:48:01 -!- bitonic [~user@2.126.175.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:50:10 ryankarason: maybe after a while you'll try to make a huge asd system? 01:51:41 gmcastil [~user@75-145-122-2-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 01:52:27 PuercoPop: i don't follow 01:55:10 I think quicklisp builds on top of asdf to find files on your system. I may be wrong though. 01:55:19 it does. 01:57:43 -!- elh [~elawrence@ool-ae2cc55a.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:01:52 fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:03:13 btw one question then when I do (asdf:defsystem ...) who is that asdf found in the first place? does quicklisp load preload it? 02:04:03 tfan [~tarik@bas2-montreal29-1177924872.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 02:04:10 ManAmongHippos [~ManAmongH@164.111.213.168] has joined #lisp 02:04:13 -!- chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-241-240-138.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:07:36 It's usually distributed with the implementation. 02:08:10 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@67.181.201.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:08:38 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-66-59.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:12:31 elh [~elawrence@ool-ae2cc55a.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 02:16:00 PuercoPop: asdf has different ways to look for system definition files (.asd). Mostly, it traverses a couple directories, including the one where quicklisp installs packages. 02:17:27 breakds [~breakds@cpe-74-79-147-26.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:18:12 LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-123-20.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:18:16 *PuercoPop* nods 02:18:32 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 02:19:56 -!- elh [~elawrence@ool-ae2cc55a.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: elh] 02:21:31 -!- malkomalko [~malkomalk@66-234-38-99.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:22:32 -!- catmtking [~catmtking@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:23:19 -!- ahoops [~ahoops__@121.96.14.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:25:17 -!- PuercoPop [~user@pool-96-250-219-190.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:25:49 PuercoPop [~user@pool-96-250-219-190.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:25:55 -!- PuercoPop is now known as Guest34511 02:27:55 ahoops [~ahoops__@121.96.14.223] has joined #lisp 02:28:02 zRecursive [~czsq888@171.88.19.73] has joined #lisp 02:29:57 -!- Guest34511 is now known as PuercoPop` 02:30:00 -!- PuercoPop` is now known as PuercoPop 02:30:30 -!- PuercoPop is now known as Guest16630 02:30:31 -!- Guest16630 [~user@pool-96-250-219-190.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:30:41 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@120.159.228.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:35:12 Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has joined #lisp 02:35:42 fenton [~fenton@ppp-27-55-2-217.revip3.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 02:36:45 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@120.159.228.200] has joined #lisp 02:45:23 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 02:46:50 -!- Watcher7|off is now known as Watcher7 02:47:25 ISF [~ivan@187.106.36.28] has joined #lisp 02:48:08 nalaginrut [~nalaginru@61.14.130.226] has joined #lisp 02:49:17 -!- tfan [~tarik@bas2-montreal29-1177924872.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:51:59 tfan [~tarik@bas2-montreal29-1177924872.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 02:52:50 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-123-20.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:53:41 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:54:27 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 02:55:41 -!- gmcastil [~user@75-145-122-2-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:57:00 -!- tfan [~tarik@bas2-montreal29-1177924872.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:57:29 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:01:21 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:01:44 carlo5m [~carlo5m@c-71-198-252-62.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:03:27 PuercoPo` [~user@pool-96-250-219-190.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:04:12 Oi one quick question, say I want to write a macro to expand into two definitions, do I have to wrap the body of the macro in progn or no? 03:04:22 wrap the expansion 03:04:23 yes. 03:04:35 ngk [~nicolai@c-50-157-193-191.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:04:39 `(progn (defun thing1 ...) (defun thing2 ...)) 03:05:10 ok, thanks 03:06:12 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-27-55-2-217.revip3.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 03:06:30 and if I want to pass a list form to remain unevaluated i don't have to quote anything write? 03:06:54 can't parse your question 03:08:03 tfan [~tarik@bas2-montreal29-1177924872.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 03:09:09 I want to pass (car board) as is the macro and insert that into the body of the macro. I don't have do anything but type the name into the form in the body right? Although I apparently having issues with the function name I pass to macro (can't get it to macroexpand-1) 03:09:48 if you have (defmacro foo (bar) ...) then pass it (car board), bar will be bound to that list in the expander 03:10:36 nods 03:15:20 hmm yeah and thame of the function name taking as reference cl-6502 defasm macro appears to be correctly used 03:15:36 https://gist.github.com/PuercoPop/5770974 Can someone help me understand this error message? 03:16:02 It appears to be that the setf is not expanding to the correct arity? 03:16:47 alright you've got a few problems here 03:16:57 one, macroexpand-1 is a function, not a macro - you have to quote the define-accessor form 03:17:14 (or else it'll just be evaluated and it'll be nonsense) 03:17:42 two, you don't `(progn form1 form2), a macro can only expand into one form. expand into `(progn form1 form2) instead 03:17:59 three, you didn't unquote accessor in the expansion. 03:18:25 oh, and four, if you pass a quoted form that'll work out like (defmacro (quote top-left) ...) which is not what you want. 03:18:32 er, (defun (quote top-left) ...) 03:18:42 regarding three, but don't I want the defun to be (car board)? literaly? 03:19:13 yes, but right now the expansion is like (defun top-left (board) accessor) 03:19:20 regarding four, I was aware of that. I was just trying to send different input to understand what was going wrong 03:19:23 as in, the literal symbol "accessor", rather than the value passed to the macro 03:19:27 *nods* 03:19:44 `(foo bar) is basically the same as (list 'foo 'bar) while `(foo ,bar) is like (list 'foo bar) 03:20:12 the thing about macros is, they just return a list. ` isn't special, it's just convenient shorthand for constructing a list form 03:20:27 -!- joneshf-work [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:21:47 ok with the quote on macroexpand I can see more clearly the error on my ways, Thanks again Bike. Man this tic-tac-toe is taking my way more time than I thought. 03:25:06 Ok bike I'm not clear about point number two, using progn/prog1 what the forms expand into it appears to me that it would work correctly 03:25:30 no, when you do (progn `form1 `form2) that just discards form1 and returns form2. 03:25:37 -!- breakds [~breakds@cpe-74-79-147-26.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:26:00 but isn't it still executed? 03:26:10 clhs progn 03:26:11 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/s_progn.htm 03:26:12 yeah, but that doesn't matter 03:26:13 and because it is a definition doesn't it still get define? 03:26:15 no 03:26:21 it's not a definition, it's a /defining form/ 03:26:30 the macro just returns forms, this is important. 03:27:36 billstclair [~billstcla@p-216-227-83-183.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 03:27:36 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@p-216-227-83-183.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Changing host] 03:27:36 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 03:27:55 ahh ok, so I want the macro to return two defining forms then? 03:28:02 so today is my first day using other packages 03:28:10 PuercoPo`: a progn with two defining forms 03:28:15 then return `(progn one-defining-form another-defining-form), like i said 03:28:16 and i am having issue after issue 03:28:32 -!- PuercoPo` is now known as PuercoPop` 03:28:46 once i (in-package my-package) i can't call (quit) or (exit) 03:28:58 because those are in different packages. 03:29:13 Bike so I quote the outer progn you mean? 03:29:15 i should mention i am using clisp 03:29:21 PuercoPop`: yes, return a progn form. 03:29:25 ryankarason: (ext:quit) probably 03:29:32 (ah 03:29:37 -!- scharan [~scharan@caps04.cs.ucr.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:29:38 let me try such 03:29:38 -!- jdz [~jdz@85.254.212.34] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:29:52 ahh I think I'm getting a hazy picture of what you mean 03:30:01 my assumption is that i should when creating a package always use :common-lisp 03:30:04 -!- lukas [~lukas@194.228.13.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:30:06 jdz [~jdz@85.254.212.34] has joined #lisp 03:30:08 scharan [~scharan@caps04.cs.ucr.edu] has joined #lisp 03:30:11 generally, yes. 03:30:13 ryankarason: EXIT and QUIT are not symbols in the CL package, though. 03:30:19 but i am curious as to what exact functions are contained in the CL package 03:30:26 rtoym [~chatzilla@24.130.4.105] has joined #lisp 03:30:30 Xach: where are they contained in? 03:30:32 check the clhs. 03:30:36 ryankarason: clisp's ext: 03:30:44 ryankarason: there are exactly 978 symbols accessible in the CL package. the spec explains each one. 03:30:47 that is to say, they are nonstandard. 03:30:53 ah alright 03:31:03 there's a mnemonic song to remember each one of them but it takes two hours to sing 03:31:36 elh [~elawrence@ool-ae2cc55a.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 03:31:51 Xach: so would i say (defpackage :my-pak (:use :common-lisp :ext)) ? 03:31:56 Xach 03:32:00 i should learn that 03:32:02 jajaja 03:32:15 well, if you wanted your package to have access to ext symbols you would. 03:32:22 gmcastil [~user@70-59-29-55.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 03:32:35 ryankarason: That depends on if you want to write QUIT to mean EXT:QUIT when your package is the current package. I don't think you'd normally want that. 03:33:06 The package system is about controlling how symbol tokens without package prefixes map to symbol objects. 03:33:34 And with package prefixes, too... 03:34:17 *Xach* gives up, the spec is a good thing to start with; it's clear 03:35:41 Xach, alrigh thanks 03:35:46 i really appreciate it 03:36:21 i am working with my package and the corresponding lisp program in the interpreter 03:36:36 so it suppose it is bothersome to everytime i want to use what i think as a standard command 03:36:40 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-217-166-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 03:36:47 like (quit) or (shell) to have to append ext 03:36:53 It is worth learning the ins & outs of how package system, what's standard and what's not. 03:37:03 i most definately agree 03:37:15 You should type (ext:quit) so rarely that the prefix doens't matter! 03:37:19 i really hadn't a clue where to start with learning the lisp package system 03:37:33 i suppose you are right 03:37:58 I'd like to write a book(let) about it, but haven't had time. It's pretty simple but I haven't found it very friendly to trial and error learning. 03:39:26 i have been calling quit a lot lately because i keep having to restart the interpreter 03:39:34 Do you use slime? 03:39:44 and load this program, then call another instance of clisp in another shell and call that program 03:39:56 Xach: no i do not. i really like tmux + vi + bash 03:39:56 you should use slime and slime-restart-inferior-lisp 03:40:03 it's pretty good, just sayin 03:40:05 -!- vi1 [~vi1@93.92.216.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:40:08 ryankarason: If you restart a lot, that's a sign of not really working incrementally and interactively. 03:40:17 Xach you are right 03:40:23 It's hard to understand how you can repair screwed-up state at first, but it's worth figuring out. 03:40:28 i just don't know the command to clear the interpreter 03:40:44 There isn't one - it's more tweaking than punting. 03:40:52 and every once and a while when i (load "myprogram.lisp") i get over writing errors 03:40:56 fmakunbound, makunbound, delete-package, etc. 03:41:42 (i do a few things in the interpreter, if they work well, i write then in vi 03:41:47 and (load) 03:42:09 That is pretty rough. 03:42:36 rob warnock has some good advice on the topic, though 03:42:38 *Xach* digs it up 03:43:50 http://xach.com/rpw3/articles/BJqdnd9R65ee3qDbnZ2dnUVZ_vGinZ2d@speakeasy.net.html is the one 03:45:21 ryankarason: You may want to look into slimv  like slime, but for vim. 03:46:03 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@120.159.228.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:46:32 how usable is slimv these days? 03:47:06 *shrug* I use slime. 03:48:25 I'm told evil is a pretty good vim. 03:48:34 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 03:50:02 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@120.159.228.200] has joined #lisp 03:50:42 sellout-: ooooOOOOooo 03:50:57 yeah, i maybe should move over to "evil" 03:51:02 i really realy like vi 03:51:19 just seems wierd to boot it up in emacs 03:51:26 but makes sense for lispyness 03:51:42 Xach: thanks 03:51:53 i really appreciate help 03:52:38 yeah, Edward Connor, a long time emacs user, uses evil. Although I prefer the vim keybindings month by month I'm getting more efficient on using emacs. 03:53:13 -!- ManAmongHippos [~ManAmongH@164.111.213.168] has quit [Quit: ManAmongHippos] 03:54:12 my personal preference is to have 1 window manager 03:54:16 and for that i choose tmux 03:54:31 and for instance open multiple instances of vi 03:54:42 vs. having multiple buffers in vi 03:55:23 DataLinkD2 [~DataLinkD@101.170.161.59] has joined #lisp 03:55:30 ryankarason: For that I choose emacs, and have multiple eshell buffers. 03:56:49 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@120.159.228.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:58:08 Xach: which spec were you refering to when you said "23:34 * Xach gives up, the spec is a good thing to start with; it's clear" 04:00:31 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@118-163-141-228.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 04:03:17 ryankarason: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Front/ 04:04:25 it's possible to have a local copy and configure emacs+slime to be able to lookup symbols at point and open pages in a browser too 04:04:56 interesting. 04:05:09 -!- elh [~elawrence@ool-ae2cc55a.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: elh] 04:05:54 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:06:16 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 04:09:03 -!- tfan [~tarik@bas2-montreal29-1177924872.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:09:16 vi1 [~vi1@93.92.216.186] has joined #lisp 04:10:17 So reading about handlers I am unclear if I can recover from a condition by calling the function again 04:10:40 What function? 04:10:41 is that the appropiate way to re-ask for user input? 04:11:50 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/09_ad.htm also look at restarts there 04:13:05 *PuercoPop`* nods 04:13:20 drl [~lat@110.139.229.172] has joined #lisp 04:15:07 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-66-59.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 04:24:19 Hi guys. Am I going to experience any problems with slime is I upgrade emacs from version 23.3 to 24.1? 04:25:40 is = if 04:27:45 kami [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has joined #lisp 04:27:53 Good morning #lisp 04:35:03 tfan [~tarik@bas2-montreal29-1177924872.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 04:36:23 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-217-166-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:36:56 teggi [~teggi@113.173.3.200] has joined #lisp 04:36:59 -!- Nisstyre-laptop is now known as Nisstyre 04:39:58 -!- ehu` [~Erik@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:40:01 ehu [~Erik@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 04:40:05 good night 04:40:05 pellegrino [~pellegrin@85.17.26.2] has joined #lisp 04:40:11 -!- ehu [~Erik@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:41:16 ehu [~Erik@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 04:43:25 -!- ehu 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12:17:07 -!- moore33 [~moore@ABordeaux-153-1-17-104.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:17:12 have you tried email? 12:17:19 the mailing list seems to be missing from common-lisp.net 12:17:42 common-lisp.net is just broken, you can subscribe to it manually 12:17:45 Well i tried googling for it, and found an older addr but no response 12:17:56 oh 12:18:00 danlentz: Sometimes I use git/darcs commit logs to find useful emails 12:18:04 cool thanks 12:18:09 i don't recall the syntax, though 12:18:31 i think is cvs 12:18:47 its kind of a cool metaclass 12:18:58 "darcs get http://common-lisp.net/project/patty/darcs/patty" 12:21:22 i know how to unsubscribe, by sending mail to +unsubscribe, maybe it's +subscribe for subscribing 12:21:25 Ue [~Ue@unaffiliated/ue] has joined #lisp 12:21:43 i.e. patty-devel+subscribe@common-lisp.net 12:21:47 well, you can try 12:21:49 -!- ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:22:13 btw i found an archive of lisp paste that is 99.9% complete if anyone else is interested 12:22:47 its very big tho 12:22:49 it's not the actual xml files, is it? 12:23:07 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@h69-21-18-138.nwlnnh.dedicated.static.tds.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:23:08 ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has joined #lisp 12:23:26 yes, +subscribe looks like it 12:24:06 -!- bitonic [~user@2.126.175.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:25:35 ``Erik [~erik@pool-74-103-121-45.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:25:59 well html 12:26:24 then i'm not really interested 12:26:44 clicking on display xml works ?? are the xml files still accessible on paste.lisp.org? 12:26:46 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-1-78.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:27:17 i don't understand the question 12:28:50 Kenjin [~kenjin@gw-isr.deec.uc.pt] has joined #lisp 12:30:04 moore33 [~moore@ABordeaux-153-1-19-88.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 12:30:19 nvrmind I'm wrong 12:33:53 -!- PuercoPo` [~user@pool-96-250-219-190.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:34:46 Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: 12:34:47      mailto:patty-devel%2Bsubscribe@common-lisp.net 12:34:49 Technical details of permanent failure: 12:34:50 Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the server for the recipient domain http://common-lisp.net/ by http://a.mx.common-lisp.net/. [50.7.166.114]. 12:34:51 The error that the other server returned was: 12:34:52 50 5.1.1 <mailto:patty-devel%2Bsubscribe@common-lisp.net>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table 12:35:11 %2B is not the same as "+" 12:35:25 "your mailer probably screwed up" 12:35:27 my irc client did that 12:35:37 "we can't be bothered to offer a web interface to the mailing list system" 12:35:42 well, that's just cl.net migration for you 12:36:00 -!- cajetanus [~user@2a01:4f8:162:44c1::2] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:36:05 a migration well done 12:36:25 it went out correctly -- demonstrably because it sent the rejection 12:37:04 danlentz: no. it used "%2B" instead of "+" 12:37:28 its a ahame to loose these resources is it just a matter of manpower? 12:37:36 No. 12:37:40 cajetanus [~user@2a01:4f8:162:44c1::2] has joined #lisp 12:37:50 well, it's been what? two months? 12:38:00 more like three. 12:38:11 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 12:39:52 The error that the other server returned was: 12:39:53 50 5.1.1 <mailto:patty-devel%2Bsubscribe@common-lisp.net>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table 12:40:27 danlentz: can you decipher the email address? it contains "%2B" where "+" should be contained. 12:40:32 but ignore the stupid i%2b -- it is my lame irc client doing that 12:40:58 i typed it myself by hand in the email 12:41:33 danlentz: then i can't help. sorry. 12:42:10 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@71-82-124-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: phunq, sandwich store loop, WHAT NO UNIVERSE] 12:42:21 you can try manually typing into your favorite web client in gmail.com 12:42:54 joe9 [~user@c-71-236-20-61.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:42:56 looks like it just didn't survive the migration 12:43:07  patty-devel+subscribe@common-lisp.net 12:43:26 i can't send to +help anything either 12:43:35 sending to slime-devel+help works 12:43:44 though, i'm subscribe to slime-devel 12:44:52 -!- hispinae54 [~Hispinae5@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: hispinae54] 12:48:42 -!- guiambros [~guiambros@z65-50-88-217.ips.direcpath.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:49:01 knob [~knob@76.76.202.244] has joined #lisp 12:49:46 PuercoPo` [~user@pool-96-250-219-190.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:54:17 -!- PuercoPo` [~user@pool-96-250-219-190.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:00:33 -!- miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:01:07 -!- sad0ur [~sad0ur@ip-89-102-144-158.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:01:42 tfan [~tarik@bas2-montreal29-1177924872.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 13:02:02 drmeister [~drmeister@173-162-165-237-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 13:03:24 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:06:03 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:07:55 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 13:09:06 -!- lusory [~lusory@42.60.25.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:12:12 -!- Posterdati [~antani@host210-219-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:13:16 Posterdati [~antani@host210-219-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 13:19:05 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 13:19:52 bitonic [~user@dyn1218-56.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 13:21:45 yrk [~user@vtelinet-216-66-104-9.vermontel.net] has joined #lisp 13:21:56 -!- yrk [~user@vtelinet-216-66-104-9.vermontel.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:21:56 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 13:22:17 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.105.50] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:22:25 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@242.Red-83-49-69.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:23:11 mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 13:23:23 -!- tfan [~tarik@bas2-montreal29-1177924872.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:23:52 -!- Posterdati [~antani@host210-219-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 13:23:57 kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 13:24:05 abeaumont [~abeaumont@242.Red-83-49-69.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:26:34 Posterdati [~antani@host210-219-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 13:27:36 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-66-59.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:29:46 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:30:57 -!- doomlord__ [~servitor@host86-176-90-71.range86-176.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:32:20 elh [~elawrence@ool-ae2cc55a.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 13:33:19 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-1-78.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:35:37 malkomalko [~malkomalk@rrcs-24-103-18-196.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:35:38 kami [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has joined #lisp 13:38:47 jrajav [~jrajav@198.179.137.210] has joined #lisp 13:38:49 wakeup [~user@xdsl-89-0-185-239.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:38:55 greetings everyone 13:39:23 I am trying to scrape some horribly inconsistent HTML. 13:39:24 oudeis [~oudeis@95.35.60.64] has joined #lisp 13:39:40 I parse it to a tree using cl-html-parse 13:39:40 Use a browser. 13:40:01 Browser automation is reasonably straight-forward these days. 13:40:19 And they have man-centuries of retarded http processing magic in them. 13:40:58 wakeup: do you get it parsed? 13:41:01 fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:41:06 wakeup` [~user@xdsl-89-0-68-191.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:41:17 what's the problem, wakeup`? 13:41:43 Zhivago: and they aren't necessarily good methods for scraping 13:41:49 I want a function FOO-MATCH that takes a pattern say '((p (class "foo") _)) 13:41:50 and returns whatever is at the position of _ (only the first match) 13:42:10 *p_l* currently works with one of the best browser automation engines, and it would be a PITA to do scraping this way 13:42:13 These days, they're often the only way to scrape ... given the prevalence of javascript. 13:42:24 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 13:42:25 I was about to write it myself, but maybe you know some pattern 13:42:26 matching library that makes this easier 13:42:39 I basically want regexes for lists 13:42:52 i'm using libxml and xpath 13:42:53 breakds [~breakds@cpe-74-79-147-26.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:42:54 wakeup`: you want xpath 13:42:54 segv-, memo from pkhuong: I think there are priority issues in the signal numbers, so we have some constraints when choosing signals for thread interruption, stop for gc, etc. 13:43:23 cibs_ [~cibs@118-163-170-73.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 13:43:33 i'm guessing cl-html-parse produces lists. afaik there isn't an xpath implementation for lists 13:43:38 sad0ur [~sad0ur@ip-89-102-144-158.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 13:43:39 Zhivago: for those, I usually find the endpoints JS grabs the data from. You need pretty good insight to scrape data from such sites anyway that hunting down JSON/XML data sources ends up easier than scraping 13:43:50 http://common-lisp.net/project/closure/closure-html/ is a pretty good (though not nearly as good a firefox) html-in-the-wild parser 13:43:57 If they're sufficiently civilized, sure. :) 13:44:04 guaqua: it produces a cl-stp dom that one can use with plexippus-xpath 13:44:08 closure-html doesn't handle modern html at all 13:44:12 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 13:44:13 but if they were so civilized you wouldn't have to revert to screen scraping... 13:44:14 H4ns: oh. okay 13:44:17 hi 13:44:19 -!- wakeup [~user@xdsl-89-0-185-239.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:44:23 guaqua: there is cl-html5-parser if you need html5 13:44:26 then it's xpath 13:44:42 H4ns: yeah. i noticed it some time after we had the html scraping chat last :) 13:44:44 I want to parse metager.de 13:44:49 I think its HTML 3.0 13:44:52 at most 13:44:55 if you can get cxml tree, you can use cxml-stp, whcih is quite good interface for scraping 13:45:30 Zhivago: well... the stuff I am automating isn't civilized. at all ;_; 13:45:56 doomlord__ [~servitor@host86-145-105-95.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 13:46:09 -!- cibs [~cibs@118-163-170-73.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:46:19 if anyone used AllegroCached, how's the experience? 13:46:37 spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 13:47:06 i use it with great results 13:47:25 Denommus: i looked at it one time and found it a bit underwhelming, in particular with respect to the documentation. 13:47:36 Denommus: but as it is commercial software, it is off topic :D 13:47:38 but i must add that i only use it in a small personal project 13:48:06 H4ns: commercial lisp software is offtopic? 13:48:12 i second that, i had some problems when figuring out how it works 13:48:17 pranavrc [~pranavrc@122.174.57.162] has joined #lisp 13:48:17 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@122.174.57.162] has quit [Changing host] 13:48:17 pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has joined #lisp 13:48:28 p_l: yes, freenode is about free software support iirc 13:48:32 well, I can agree that sometimes Franz 13:48:42 docs aren't readable enough 13:48:44 gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has joined #lisp 13:48:53 H4ns: my point was more about creating a free alternative, so that would be on-topic 13:49:09 Denommus: you mean like rucksack? or bknr-datastore? 13:49:37 H4ns: I don't know that many CL libraries, so I'm glad to know there are alternatives 13:49:59 H4ns: where can I find what libraries are available through quicklisp? 13:50:14 www.quicklisp.org 13:50:20 lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 13:50:35 but it would be awesome if there would be links to the projects 13:50:42 documentations etc. 13:50:47 indeed it would 13:51:05 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:51:12 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-248-62.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:51:37 quicklisp seems the best thing to CL since CLtl2 13:51:40 H4ns: I think AllegroCache would fall as combination of point 1 and 6 of "On-Topic Use", plus the commonly accepted practice related to language/platform channels (as it is a library, mostly). But IANAL and EOT ;) 13:52:04 p_l: ok 13:52:46 Denommus: there was a project by drewc that was AFAIK *directly* inspired by AllegroCache, called planks, I think 13:53:13 is there a recursive find in the standard? 13:53:15 Denommus: google can help a lot, but when it comes to questions like "is there a library for CL to do this and that", one must resort to #lisp or other communities i don't know 13:53:42 Denommus: cliki.net is quite good 13:53:53 there is also the common lisp directory 13:53:59 hajovonta: the Common Lisp community in G+ and /r/lisp are pretty good 13:53:59 usenet (comp.lang.lisp) 13:54:23 hmm... I might try looking into modernizing and updating directory 13:54:24 Denommus: what is /r/lisp ? 13:54:27 adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 13:54:30 Can someone please kill G+ 13:54:33 I read comp.lang.lisp, but most of the time I don't like the discussions there. #lisp is more interesting 13:54:49 hajovonta: the lisp reddit 13:54:52 i dont read usenet anymore 13:55:02 but it's not specific to Common Lisp 13:55:11 wakeup`: nope. Works way to well for me :P 13:55:12 you can find a lot of lisp mailing lists on gmane.org 13:55:12 wakeup`: would optima + an html parser do what you need? 13:55:18 the g+ community i find good but its low volume 13:55:43 hajovonta: there are still some good newsgroups, but I somehow can't get myself to read c.l.l anytime I try 13:55:52 wakeup`: I like G+. I use it mostly because of the communities, though (the programming community is a piece of shit, though) 13:55:52 fortitude: I think I will stick with recursive FIND-IFs, most 13:55:52 reliable on this mess 13:56:18 I registered on G+ for advertising puproses, and hell, its the worst 13:56:19 web app I have ever seen 13:56:24 even facebook is better 13:56:42 morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d0038ab.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 13:56:49 wakeup`: maybe for advertising purposes, but it has much more useful features for the end user 13:56:55 wakeup`: and I'm an end user 13:56:59 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:57:05 wakeup`: i think the interface is too fancy and a bit slow, but otherwise usable 13:57:25 G+ rejected my picture because its too small 13:57:36 wakeup`: i dont know how many users use g+ for advertising though 13:57:39 hajovonta: the android app is amazingly good 13:57:59 It's a lot better now than it was a year ago, that's for sure 13:58:04 then it failed to find the non-void rectangle in my picture, thus cutting off the turtles tail 13:58:06 but I think we're getting off-topic 13:58:15 and then it dares to tell me it thinks the turtle is not my face 13:58:27 :) 13:58:36 not extremely off-topic. connecting with other lispers is important 13:59:07 Yes but using centralized platforms as G+ or reddit is poison 13:59:20 as of G+ Common Lisp group, i said low volume, but compared to other cl groups its pretty active 13:59:34 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:59:35 even cliki is questionable as long as it doesn't has a git/vcs backend where I can push pull fork... 13:59:35 well, we *need* centralized points, so that you can have better flow and discovery 13:59:57 PuercoPo` [~user@199.47.72.30] has joined #lisp 14:00:05 different understanding of centralized I guess 14:00:06 sometimes I think the whole thing about "lisp curse" was actually absence of things like CPAN in face of language with enough power to go by yourself 14:00:08 p_l: the more centralized points, teh better 14:00:36 nyef [~nyef@c-50-157-244-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:00:44 It's ok to say, well we'll use cliki.net now. But its horrible to notice one day, well cliki is down, we're screwed 14:00:57 wakeup`: that's a matter of stewardship of cliki 14:01:10 or whichever other place is used 14:01:12 the same way I post on usenet, and people answer me using google groups, and I never get the answer because google is pretty evil after all. 14:01:22 benkard [~benkard@dhcp-138-246-85-119.dynamic.eduroam.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 14:01:25 no its a matter of centralized design 14:01:55 wakeup`: the decentralized effect is "no one knows" because the knowledge propagates badly 14:01:56 Im telling centralization is the worst thing happened to humanity since the centralized church 14:02:19 or, no one needs to know 14:02:24 because it doesn't matter 14:02:28 -!- PuercoPo` is now known as PuercoPop 14:02:40 wakeup`: the other alternative is that everbody must learn for themselves and they can't learn from each other 14:03:24 wakeup`: centralized, though, doesn't mean non-redundant 14:03:27 how do you come to that conclusion? 14:03:49 There are decentralized search engines 14:03:58 when you feel uncomfortable in a community you can found another, and if you can do that, it's freedom 14:04:00 and a git repo is essentially a decentralied wiki 14:04:23 wakeup`: a search engine doesn't help if you don't know what to search for 14:04:24 p_l: but it means single point of failure (e.g. the owner) 14:04:41 wakeup`: no. single point of failure can be mitigated quite well 14:04:55 p_l: by decentralization 14:05:07 why am I even arguing 14:05:16 water is wet, deal with it 14:05:33 spof can be mitigated by redundancy and not decentralization imho 14:05:40 wtf 14:05:44 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn1218-56.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:05:55 redundancy of what? 14:06:07 redundancy of elements that are spof 14:06:09 wakeup`: you're too hung up on "centralized"/"decentralized" as the term involved. You can have "single point of entry" with quite decentralized system too, or just have a good net of redundancies (like "we keep backups and other connections and we can setup a new site quickly by just redirecting people") 14:06:32 yes 14:06:36 thats what I mean 14:07:07 users want and need centralized. "redundant" and "decentralized" are just implementation matters, and in the end, completely uninteresting when it comes to solving the problem of "where can i find a lisp library that does x" 14:07:33 :) 14:07:49 we could have an easily mirrorable equivalent of CL directory, for example... which is afaik how CPAN mirrors operate (run often by user groups) 14:08:10 yes.. the problem is not in "cliki goes down for x days" but "it's not in cliki" 14:08:21 or ALU wiki 14:08:25 quicklisp is the best thing that happened to common lisp since cltl2 and guess what? it is completely centralized. 14:08:25 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@95.35.60.64] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:08:35 given the "no non-free code" stance of cliki 14:10:12 H4ns: its also a prototype and decentralization is planned 14:10:39 you think zach wants to keep maintaining THE single cl library directory for ever? 14:10:51 wakeup`: your point being...? 14:11:19 bootstrapping in a centralized fashion is easier 14:11:25 but QL will be decentralized 14:11:50 its not a centralized design, just a centralized deployment until now 14:11:52 wakeup`: you came over as if your line of argumentation was based on facts, but now you're talking beliefs. 14:11:52 wakeup`: it does support multiple distro, yes. Do you see any? Also, afaik the multi-dist thing was paid by company, I think, for internal use 14:12:07 lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 14:12:51 QL going in a decentralized direction was a requirement for me so I asked zach what his plans are. 14:13:51 H4ns: its fact 14:13:52 wakeup`: is there any particular practical problem with the current situation of QL? 14:14:02 did I say that? 14:14:22 but for instance, some pleple would like to see asdf3 in QL 14:15:13 i don't know. i'm just asking 14:16:48 antgreen [~green@63.138.96.2] has joined #lisp 14:21:39 Automorphism [~user@unaffiliated/dijkstragroupie] has joined #lisp 14:24:20 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@173-162-165-237-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:24:37 smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has joined #lisp 14:24:52 _d3f [~gnu@94.242.252.66] has joined #lisp 14:27:06 Gnash_Breeches [~kvirc@c-75-65-166-249.hsd1.la.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:28:09 paddymahoney [~patrick@24.137.221.230] has joined #lisp 14:28:37 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 14:32:42 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:36:55 -!- Watcher7|off is now known as Watcher7 14:38:16 -!- PuercoPop [~user@199.47.72.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:38:19 rswarbrick [~rswarbric@host-57-176.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 14:39:08 hm. Is anyone able to use qt? 14:41:35 -!- hajovonta [rjvyy@62.212.72.240] has quit [Quit: end of day] 14:43:03 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@198.179.137.210] has quit [Quit: phunq, sandwich store loop, WHAT NO UNIVERSE] 14:44:24 I can't (ql:quickload :qt), it gives me a weird error 14:45:06 -!- hlavaty`` [~user@friedrichstrasse.knowledgetools.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:46:01 glowbard81 [~glowbard8@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:47:19 oh, I need libsmokeqt4 14:47:55 -!- guyal [~anonymous@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:49:00 hlavaty [~user@friedrichstrasse.knowledgetools.de] has joined #lisp 14:49:58 CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@138.23.59.162] has joined #lisp 14:51:19 MithrilTuxedo [~MithrilTu@66-162-141-202.static.twtelecom.net] has joined #lisp 14:51:49 Bike [~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 14:52:29 drmeister [~drmeister@173-162-165-237-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 14:52:46 ... I still didn't manage to install it 14:58:10 Quicklisp isn't going to change much. 14:58:19 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #lisp 14:58:48 I think it will become more possible for people to provide their own sets of libraries as the documentation and tools improve, though. It won't require coordination from me. 14:58:53 jrajav [~jrajav@198.179.137.210] has joined #lisp 14:59:04 does anyone use commonqt in arch? 14:59:14 arch linux, that is 15:00:43 gmcastil [~user@97-124-164-12.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:01:20 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:01:28 guyal [~anonymous@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:01:43 -!- mikecsh [~mikecsh@87.244.76.226] has quit [Quit: mikecsh] 15:03:03 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:03:30 is arch special? 15:03:48 stassats: it is because I can't seem to find smokeqt 15:04:49 does kdebindings-smokeqt work? 15:04:51 Denommus: extra/kdebindings-smokeqt 15:04:59 it didn't work 15:05:09 do you have qmake installed? 15:05:36 no. I didn't know it was needed 15:05:59 ... wait 15:06:01 I have 15:06:12 both qmake-qt4 and qmake-qt5 15:06:15 so, what error do you have, don't keep me endlessly guessing 15:06:57 Error while invoking # on #SO "qt" "so" "commonqt"> 15:06:57 15:07:13 the actual error 15:07:38 you can usually find it in the *inferior-lisp* buffer 15:07:52 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@198.179.137.210] has quit [Quit: phunq, sandwich store loop, WHAT NO UNIVERSE] 15:10:37 failing that, you can manually run qmake and make 15:11:14 I'm running directly in the terminal 15:11:48 PuercoPop [~user@199.47.72.30] has joined #lisp 15:13:22 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@c-24-143-118-11.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:14:20 hm, when manually running qmake and make, it seems that it is an actual compiler error 15:14:33 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@242.Red-83-49-69.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:15:51 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-66-59.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 15:15:54 commonqt.cpp: In function void* sw_make_metaobject(void*, char*, int*): commonqt.cpp:268:58: error: cannot convert char* to const QByteArrayData* {aka const QArrayData*} in initialization 15:16:07 jlongster [~user@pool-96-238-181-209.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:16:14 you need to be using qt-4, are you? 15:18:20 iLogical_ [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 15:18:21 -!- iLogical_ [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:19:02 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19:13 miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 15:19:44 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 15:20:17 -!- `fogus [~fogus@freedom.d-a-s.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:23:34 with qt4 it works 15:23:52 but quicklisp calls only qmake, which, in my system, is qmake-qt5 15:24:23 well, compiling manually it works. Great :D 15:33:08 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 15:33:19 -!- malkomalko [~malkomalk@rrcs-24-103-18-196.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:33:37 ManAmongHippos [~ManAmongH@164.111.213.168] has joined #lisp 15:33:38 nilsi [~nilsi@2.68.152.208.mobile.tre.se] has joined #lisp 15:35:44 francogrex [c14be4fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.75.228.252] has joined #lisp 15:35:56 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:36:16 -!- antgreen [~green@63.138.96.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:36:52 I have the library BABEL bitching about some characters in a file that are illegal utf-8 characters 15:37:58 is the file utf-8? 15:38:05 I'm willi,ng to compromise. How do I read from a flat txt file, delete the ugly characters and output to a brand new text file with all legal utf-8 ? 15:38:25 you have to figure out what the encoding is and use that to read it 15:38:38 dlow; the file is ANSI 15:38:56 francogrex: if that was true, there would't be any illegal utf-8 characters in it 15:39:07 if it's not utf-8, it's probably latin-1 15:39:17 you might try reading it in that 15:39:28 yes which is weird. I resaved the file as UTF-8 now 15:39:53 francogrex: If it truely is utf-8 with e.g. a single corrupt byte you can read it with *suppress-character-coding-errors* bound, but most likely it's not actually utf-8 15:39:54 anyway, iirc babel has a replace character restart 15:40:09 hm. maybe I imagined it 15:41:01 jrajav [~jrajav@198.179.137.210] has joined #lisp 15:41:10 nug700 [~nug700@209-181-103-52.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:41:47 Harag [~Thunderbi@41-135-132-52.dsl.mweb.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:42:05 francogrex: utf-8 is backwards compatible with 7-bit ascii, but not with any 8-bit extensions of ascii 15:42:34 ok. I'll try again 15:44:24 so if you have e.g. any characters with accents or pretty quotes (like  or é) you'll need to read it in with the proper 8-bit code page first 15:44:26 mikecsh [~mikecsh@83.137.248.173] has joined #lisp 15:45:12 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 15:45:55 and the latin-1 family are the most common (windows-1252 is often referred to as "latin-1" but differs from ISO-8859-1) 15:47:45 jasom ok. I think that the file was not really saved as ANSI or UTF-8 from the start 15:48:15 francogrex: what do you mean by "ANSI" windows-1252 is also referred to as ANSI 15:49:37 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-1-78.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:49:45 US-ASCII ? 15:49:56 got it 15:50:09 lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 15:51:25 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:51:51 *jasom* hates ambiguous names though nothing is as bad as latin-1 where the html5 spec actually mandates treating iso-8859-1 labelled documents as windows-1252 b/c the majority of pages marked iso-8859-1 were actually generated as windows-1252 15:53:03 -!- dented42 [~dented42@opengroove.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:53:34 I see that nomenclature of the character-encoding schemes is confusing and messy at times 15:55:40 that's an understatement 15:56:13 -!- mikecsh [~mikecsh@83.137.248.173] has quit [Quit: mikecsh] 15:56:27 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 15:57:29 nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-117-112.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 15:57:58 natechan [~natechan@192.42.249.97] has joined #lisp 15:57:58 dented42 [~dented42@opengroove.org] has joined #lisp 15:58:42 -!- natechan [~natechan@192.42.249.97] has left #lisp 15:58:49 francogrex: wait until you try to nail down a definition of "character" 15:59:19 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:03:28 So, I'm implementing a common-lisp interpreter beecause I'm a masochist. Any downside (other than performance) to just using an alist for the lexical environment and then attaching the environment to all closures for them to access their bindings? 16:05:38 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:05:49 -!- replcated [~user@24-217-97-210.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06:37 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2-dev] 16:08:42 replcated [~user@24-217-97-210.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 16:10:02 seangrove [~user@208.80.69.42] has joined #lisp 16:10:38 -!- zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:11:06 -!- nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-117-112.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:13:22 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14:02 hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@62.182.193.42] has joined #lisp 16:16:58 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.32.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:16:58 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:22:25 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:24:44 how do lisps typically handle symbol interning? I'm just contemplating different strategies for computing a repeatable single integer ID for some namespace-qualified symbol. 16:25:04 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@173-162-165-237-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:25:08 arrdem: do you need the id to be unique? 16:25:08 -!- PuercoPop [~user@199.47.72.30] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25:23 -!- jlongster [~user@pool-96-238-181-209.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:25:46 arrdem: and do you need it to work on uninterned symbols? 16:25:54 jasom: meh. my requirements are really ill-defined. 16:26:07 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_sxhash.htm 16:28:14 arrdem: you could have an eq hash table mapping objects to integers. 16:28:28 jasom: hum.. I'm just thinking about how to structure the symbol table as I write a really simple lisp cons machine. 16:28:53 -!- Automorphism [~user@unaffiliated/dijkstragroupie] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:29:09 arrdem: I think implementations typically use the address of the symbol in memory as its unique identifier 16:29:23 jasom: ooh that's a nice fix.. 16:29:23 -!- glowbard81 [~glowbard8@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:29:26 but that will change over time in any implementations that use copying GC 16:30:34 (which is basically every implementation except ecl; ecl uses a conservative non-copying GC for C interop) 16:30:50 drmeister [~drmeister@h69-21-18-138.nwlnnh.dedicated.static.tds.net] has joined #lisp 16:30:57 -!- ManAmongHippos [~ManAmongH@164.111.213.168] has quit [Quit: ManAmongHippos] 16:30:59 -!- francogrex [c14be4fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.75.228.252] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:31:18 -!- aftershave [~textual@h-123-171-229.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 16:34:17 hmm 16:34:22 "Lisppaste is available in 0 channels on the IRC network Freenode." 16:34:26 that's not very many 16:35:04 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@h69-21-18-138.nwlnnh.dedicated.static.tds.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:37:02 Is there some way to force slot-value-using-class to use the standard-class access? http://paste.lisp.org/display/137580 16:37:52 -!- gmcastil [~user@97-124-164-12.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:38:58 popper66 [~popper66@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:39:11 You know, it's really unlikely that C interop requires a non-copying heap for boxed data, I'd expect that storing unboxed arrays in non-copying spaces would be sufficient, and since they're unboxed data they can't have any outbound references... 16:39:51 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-217-166-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 16:40:04 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Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:02:21 elh [~elawrence@ool-ad025ac3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 18:02:43 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:03:20 spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 18:03:28 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@SSID-MASON-SECURE-216.wireless.gmu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:09:34 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.189.151] has joined #lisp 18:09:35 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.189.151] has quit [Changing host] 18:09:35 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 18:10:43 poppingtonic [~poppingto@212.49.88.99] has joined #lisp 18:10:53 Hi all 18:13:03 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:14:19 Does anyone have link to a tarball of the source code in Queinnec's Lisp in Small Pieces? 18:16:33 Kenjin [~kenjin@bl6-49-232.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 18:19:12 pnpuff [~name@gateway/tor-sasl/dioxirane] has joined 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joined #lisp 18:31:35 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:31:39 the fiveam git repo referenced on http://common-lisp.net/project/fiveam/ (https://github.com/sionescu/fiveam) does not exist anymore 18:31:59 I use to just add lisp git repos as submodules, but at some point I am just going to download them all 18:32:45 ASau` [~user@p4FF9695F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:33:12 benkard [~benkard@dhcp-138-246-85-119.dynamic.eduroam.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 18:34:22 poppingtonic: the link from this page works for me: http://pagesperso-systeme.lip6.fr/Christian.Queinnec/WWW/LiSP.html 18:35:31 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:36:31 -!- ASau [~user@p5797FAB8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:37:29 -!- pnpuff [~name@gateway/tor-sasl/dioxirane] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:37:39 hmm..I've found a github repo: https:github.com/sort/lisp-in-small-pieces 18:37:48 thanks, edgar-rft 18:38:04 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d0038ab.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:38:53 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 18:39:01 pnpuff [~ff@gateway/tor-sasl/dioxirane] has joined #lisp 18:39:08 nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-117-98.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 18:40:45 -!- benkard [~benkard@dhcp-138-246-85-119.dynamic.eduroam.mwn.de] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 18:41:52 poppingtonic: the github repo seems to be more up-to-date 18:42:42 ManAmongHippos [~ManAmongH@164.111.213.168] has joined #lisp 18:46:35 galdor: https://github.com/cl-fiveam/fiveam 18:49:53 thank you, but from now on I will fully download any lisp lib I use 18:50:24 I am just fed up with repositories being moved or deleted 18:54:04 pierpa [~user@host111-221-dynamic.52-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:54:05 poppingtonic: you may have trouble getting some of the programs to work as they may rely on behavior that became nonstandard as of r4rs or r5rs 18:54:15 or so I remember 18:55:04 I got most of it to work with MIT scheme by changing just a couple macros 18:55:25 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:56:47 Dalek_Baldwin: I thought some of the stuff in that book was always outside of r*rs, but yeah  generally easy enough to get it working. 18:57:42 -!- namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:58:43 galdor: if you use quicklisp, the source for istalled libs is in ~/quicklisp/dists/quicklisp/software 18:58:55 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 18:59:52 I do not; I have my own repository with all the external lisp code I use 19:00:15 I just made the mistake of using submodules :) 19:01:47 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:02:22 antgreen [~green@63.138.96.2] has joined #lisp 19:02:34 nkkarthik [~nkkarthik@63.251.54.158] has joined #lisp 19:03:13 MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-108-38-175-139.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:05:21 What if I use a Scheme that doesn't particularly follow rnrs? Like Racket, for instance? 19:07:16 talas_ [~talas@95.211.188.51] has joined #lisp 19:07:49 namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:09:43 -!- talas [~talas@unaffiliated/talas] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:09:57 poppingtonic: I think Racket might even have a LiSP #language. 19:10:12 (if you arent familiar with Racket, that sentence might not make sense) 19:11:53 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-248-62.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:12:48 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-108-80-229-231.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:14:43 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-4d0b00e7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:18:05 -!- natechan [~natechan@192.42.249.97] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:24:01 -!- namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:25:06 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:27:01 namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:29:29 -!- poppingtonic [~poppingto@212.49.88.99] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:29:30 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-217-166-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:29:40 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-198-180.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:30:41 poppingtonic [~poppingto@212.49.88.99] has joined #lisp 19:31:31 -!- yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:34:42 My familiarity with Racket's multiple languages is rather limited. I can only say that yes, I've seen them. 19:37:58 -!- talas_ is now known as talas 19:38:12 -!- talas [~talas@95.211.188.51] has quit [Changing host] 19:38:13 talas [~talas@unaffiliated/talas] has joined #lisp 19:39:30 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@108-225-26-178.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:39:45 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@242.Red-83-49-69.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:40:14 -!- cp_ [~cp@talula.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:40:27 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:40:52 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 19:41:09 -!- miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:41:49 abeaumont [~abeaumont@242.Red-83-49-69.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 19:42:06 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:42:59 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@242.Red-83-49-69.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:43:52 I get a wrong result: http://pastebin.com/u2HUG5TP . Right result would be ((a . (x . a)) . c) ... any help please? 19:44:43 why on earth are you writing like that 19:45:19 'f is not false 19:45:40 so my-equal always returns true 19:47:29 -!- Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has left #lisp 19:49:15 hajovonta [~user@540376E8.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #lisp 19:49:18 right, thanks Bike ... 19:49:24 hello 19:50:24 nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@wsip-68-15-43-240.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 19:50:38 esimmers [~esimmers@68.62-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 19:50:48 -!- esimmers [~esimmers@68.62-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has left #lisp 19:52:10 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:52:40 -!- _d3f [~gnu@94.242.252.66] has quit [Quit: ~ Dr. Zemph - because I am. ~] 19:54:09 hey gang, with quicklisp (or plain asdf commands) how can a new load directory be specified? 19:54:27 -!- ahungry_ [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:54:34 Davidbrcz 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Is it possible to catch that somehow and recover? 20:33:30 -!- PuercoPo` is now known as PuercoPop 20:34:27 AeroNotix [~xeno@abon146.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:35:17 -!- ahoops [~ahoops__@121.96.14.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:36:50 Oi, does anyone know how do I make a double linked lists where its tail points to its head? (Ourobouros)? 20:36:57 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:37:31 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: sleeping zzz...] 20:37:59 PuercoPop: what exactly poses the problem? 20:38:23 cp_ [~cp@talula.plus.com] has joined #lisp 20:38:25 ... A circular list, or a doubly-linked list? Or a doubly-linked circular list? 20:38:43 Three very different structures. 20:39:01 nyef: a circular list I suppose. I just want to circle al the elements of a list again and again 20:39:20 (in this case to switch from player-1 to player-2 to player-1 again) 20:39:25 (nconc list list) 20:39:34 Are you wanting to construct this list at compile-time or run-time? 20:40:04 PuercoPop: alexandria has 'make-circular-list' 20:40:15 and 'circular-list' 20:40:19 well I'm doing it in runtime but I don't have a hard constraint actually 20:40:27 going to look on nconc and on alexandria's documentation. Thanks! 20:40:39 nconc is clever, rplacd or (setf cdr) is workable, there's the #1= #1# trick from the channel topic... 20:40:40 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-4d0b00e7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:40:46 it basically amounts to (setf (cdr (last list)) list). 20:41:13 nconc trick is fun. 20:41:26 what is the #1= #1#? Does #1= define a name for a form or something like that? 20:41:31 santana [~santana@201-167-0-181-cable.cybercable.net.mx] has joined #lisp 20:41:36 And then there's the trick where you set up a list where there's an extra CONS on the front, with the CDR holding the "real" list at the CAR pointing to the last cons of the list... 20:41:43 clhs #= 20:41:43 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_dho.htm 20:41:46 clhs ## 20:41:47 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_dhp.htm 20:41:57 abeaumont [~abeaumont@242.Red-83-49-69.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 20:42:31 Those two links are the spec pages for #= and ## (invariably used with numeric arguments). 20:43:44 natechan [~natechan@192.42.249.97] has joined #lisp 20:43:59 -!- cp_ [~cp@talula.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:45:10 -!- yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:49:30 ehu` [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:49:41 -!- pnpuff [~ff@gateway/tor-sasl/dioxirane] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50:26 -!- natechan [~natechan@192.42.249.97] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:53:59 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 21:00:02 -!- zacts [~blueberry@unaffiliated/zacts] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:00:28 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.164.189.128] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:00:44 natechan [~natechan@192.42.249.97] has joined #lisp 21:00:52 -!- santana [~santana@201-167-0-181-cable.cybercable.net.mx] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 21:01:42 -!- natechan [~natechan@192.42.249.97] has quit [Client Quit] 21:02:35 natechan [~natechan@192.42.249.97] has joined #lisp 21:03:31 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:05:44 so I'm trying to use alexandria's circular-list function but it appears to hung on (circular-list :1 :2) 21:06:03 what's *print-circle*? 21:06:33 if the printer isn't configured as such, it'll just keep printing (:1 :2 :1 :2 ...) forever 21:06:53 (personally i just set *print-length* for repl work) 21:07:30 let me kill teh inferior-lisp and check 21:07:45 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:57 oh the inferior lisp says heap exhausted and drops me in ldb? 21:08:20 yeah, uh, why don't you set some printer variables and try that fresh 21:08:24 PuercoPop: it's because it tried to print the whole circular list, but that's be infinite 21:08:46 PuercoPop: set *print-circle* to t before trying to print a circular-list 21:09:17 s/that's be/that's a/ 21:09:17 I should add it to me slime-config alos no? 21:09:44 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:10:06 if you're going to be working with circular lists regularly, I guess. 21:10:16 pr_ [~pr@li544-108.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 21:10:20 PuercoPop: you could add it to your .sbclrc or whatever is your implementation init file, but only if you'll use circular-list frequently, because *print-circle* t is actually slightly slower than *print-circle* nil 21:10:29 nha [~prefect@koln-4d0b00e7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 21:12:53 -!- breakds [~breakds@cpe-74-79-147-26.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:13:28 ah more portable! 21:14:23 -!- talas [~talas@unaffiliated/talas] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:14:41 -!- natechan [~natechan@192.42.249.97] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:16:57 drmeister [~drmeister@h69-21-18-138.nwlnnh.dedicated.static.tds.net] has joined #lisp 21:16:59 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-4d0b00e7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:17:18 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@h69-21-18-138.nwlnnh.dedicated.static.tds.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:18:01 PuercoPop: hm? 21:18:17 across editors 21:18:30 ok alexandrías works 21:18:34 oh, yes 21:18:48 but #1=(1 2 3 . #1#) never returns 21:18:54 you'll usually want to put things on your implementation's init file, instead of Emacs itself 21:19:05 -!- statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-229-237.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:19:44 because then you'll be able to also use it from a terminal 21:19:48 PuercoPop: try '#1=(1 2 3 . #1#) 21:20:48 That works 21:21:04 yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:21:06 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c0a99.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:21:15 -!- yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:21:15 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 21:21:54 your lisp (reasonably enough) doesn't know how to evaluate infinitely long programs. 21:22:10 natechan [~natechan@192.42.249.97] has joined #lisp 21:22:13 -!- BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-034-009.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:22:30 yes, because it's actually impossible to know if your program is infinitely long 21:22:53 not quite. 21:23:07 Bike: isn't this the same as the halt problem? 21:23:53 no 21:24:02 No, by "infinite" I just mean infinitely long source. 21:24:21 oh. I haven't understood 21:25:18 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:25:42 BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-034-009.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:27:18 -!- natechan [~natechan@192.42.249.97] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:29:43 - 21:30:32 ping 21:32:06 Sagane_ [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #lisp 21:34:19 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:35:27 -!- benkard [~benkard@ppp-188-174-144-149.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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Wtf?". "Integer overflow? WTF?" 22:40:19 -!- dlnx` [~divinelyn@46.204.104.100.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:40:55 :) 22:40:58 -!- Bike [~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:41:31 I'm starting clojure for android development, now 22:42:10 it seems easier to get started with than CCL on Android (because it can call the Java API) 22:42:36 while it's better than simply using Java, I feel kinda disappointed. Maybe I'm just a spoiled brat 22:43:04 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:44:54 Denommus: how was the learning curve for CL on Android? 22:45:08 what tools did you use and such 22:45:47 Denommus: I've been meaning to try CCL on Android (Ouya), I'd be interested to hear your opinion of working with it and why you moved to Clojure 22:47:41 CCL can be great for games and this kind of things, because you can call OpenGL ES through it 22:47:43 Denommus: I've heard that start up time on Clojure for Android is quite high 22:47:50 but you can't call the Android's API 22:48:32 ejbs: 5 to 10 seconds, but it is easy to have a Java activity with a loading bar or something similar that opens the Clojure activity 22:48:57 I decided to use Clojure because I won't be making a game, I'll be making an application 22:49:07 and I need the Android API for that ;) 22:50:55 that makes sense :) 22:52:26 hajovonta: as for the tools, I'm using Emacs with nrepl and clojure mode installed, and the latest leiningrad installed on my system with the lein-droid plugin 22:54:27 I then create an application with lein droid new :activity :target-sdk :app-name 22:54:47 -!- natechan [~natechan@192.42.249.97] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 22:54:58 cd into , edit project.clj to put the correct keystore-path and key-alias to it 22:54:59 Denommus: Yeah but... 5-10 second load time? Who wants to use that :/? Mobile apps aren't used for as long of a time as PC 22:55:01 apps 22:55:39 ejbs: it's just when you start the app. Remember that android usually won't close your app 22:55:55 I know some apps that take this time to load up, anyway 22:56:02 Denommus: Won't it? Like, the OS will automatically? 22:56:30 ejbs: not exactly. It will actually put it to sleep, only really rarely it will destroy it 22:57:05 and anyway, for the kind of application I'm doing that's not a really big drawback, because it's a chat client 22:57:29 I can make the Java code load the clojure code while also logging in the user, in two separated threads 22:59:41 hajovonta: as I was saying, then I do lein droid doall. Then lein droid forward-port, and finally I can connect nrepl to my application, using the port 9999 22:59:58 having a REPL is the best thing :) 23:01:39 PuercoPo` [~user@199.47.72.30] has joined #lisp 23:05:15 hajovonta: for more info, https://github.com/clojure-android/lein-droid/wiki/Tutorial 23:07:28 -!- jlongster [~user@pool-96-238-181-209.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 259 seconds] 23:10:04 Denommus: do you know of any way to avoid using java? 23:10:05 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/m_declai.htm#declaim I'm not clear as to what declaim does? is it the opposite of declare? 23:10:56 it's like declare for the global environment 23:12:09 hajovonta: you don't need to use Java 23:12:43 hajovonta: I'll use only for the startup activity because of the 5 seconds issue, but if you really don't want to do that, you don't need to 23:13:03 hajovonta: if you want to ask for more info, ask me through MP. Clojure is off-topic, after all 23:13:35 ok 23:13:47 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:14:00 *nods* 23:14:13 good to know 23:15:04 Denommus: i'm interested in Common Lisp on Android in the first place, but if there is no other option, maybe i'll try Clojure (i've heard it's cool) 23:15:24 -!- macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h-199-47.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:17:08 -!- smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.3.1] 23:17:11 i'm going to sleep now 23:17:32 good night everybody 23:17:40 -!- hajovonta [~user@540376E8.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Quit: end of day] 23:20:05 -!- mutley89 [~mutley89@host31-54-196-149.range31-54.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:21:51 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22:01 macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h-199-47.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 23:22:33 in a world that doesn't yet have lisp machine laptops, what hardware do lispers prefer to hack on? 23:23:01 -!- ahoops [~ahoops__@121.96.14.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:26:36 poi519 [~danil@91.199.35.1] has joined #lisp 23:26:55 I'm thinking I might quit my job, splurge on a decent machine, do lisp, and see where it takes me 23:26:58 I like using a keyboard and a monitor 23:27:30 mice are a plus. 23:28:00 Dalek_Baldwin: as a broke and unemployed student, good luck with that :) 23:28:01 a plus, but optional. Some of my sessions are via tmux and emacs -nw so I don't rely on the mouse for much 23:28:06 Dalek_Baldwin: any hardware 23:28:21 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.146.60.234] has joined #lisp 23:29:12 mutley89 [~mutley89@host109-156-203-217.range109-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 23:29:23 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@D-69-91-137-244.dhcp4.washington.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:29:33 -!- PuercoPo` [~user@199.47.72.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:29:45 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:30:42 -!- paul0 [~paul0@177.132.103.158] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:32:05 -!- poi519 [~danil@91.199.35.1] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:32:39 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:32:51 drmeister [~drmeister@173-162-165-237-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 23:33:34 jlongster [~user@pool-96-238-181-209.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:35:55 poi519 [~danil@91.199.35.1] has joined #lisp 23:36:02 -!- jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:41:52 -!- jlongster [~user@pool-96-238-181-209.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:42:44 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 23:42:59 xecycle [~user@59.78.37.25] has joined #lisp 23:43:02 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 23:43:28 -!- MithrilTuxedo [~MithrilTu@66-162-141-202.static.twtelecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:46:19 gmcastil [~user@ip-64-134-156-144.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 23:46:40 How to clean up old versions of packages in quicklisp? Google told me to use ql-dist:clean but that removed all installed packages. 23:50:08 -!- poi519 [~danil@91.199.35.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:51:36 -!- ejbs [~user@213-67-237-115-no99.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:51:57 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85.130.70.65] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:52:28 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 23:52:29 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.146.60.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:55:56 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@173-162-165-237-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:26 wish I knew 23:56:30 lolcathost [~user@unaffiliated/dijkstragroupie] has joined #lisp 23:56:31 -!- poppingtonic [~poppingto@212.49.88.99] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:57:01 poppingtonic [~poppingto@212.49.88.99] has joined #lisp 23:58:48 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:59:31 zRecursive [~czsq888@171.217.22.69] has joined #lisp 23:59:57 Corvidium [~cosman246@174-21-198-112.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp