00:00:06 atamagawarui [~user@unaffiliated/dijkstragroupie] has joined #lisp 00:00:17 hiato: that's why it's in SB-KERNEL and not CL 00:00:20 Nice. 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03:22:41 i can get SICP for 50% off? 03:23:12 Yeah, now for only two dollars more then on amazon :) 03:23:23 HNNNNNG 03:23:25 thank you 03:24:20 wish it came in hardcover 03:32:05 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@171.217.199.241] has left #lisp 03:32:34 -!- miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:37:51 -!- chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-241-240-138.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:45:00 PuercoPop [~user@pool-96-250-244-102.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:45:59 alch___ [~michael@em117-55-68-17.emobile.ad.jp] has joined #lisp 03:46:19 -!- scabby [~scabby@87-194-145-210.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:47:13 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-48-164-128.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:48:59 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 03:49:04 miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 03:49:39 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-108-48-74-4.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 03:49:51 gendl_ [~dcooper8@c-68-41-41-80.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:50:10 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.185.81] has joined #lisp 03:50:10 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.185.81] has quit [Changing host] 03:50:10 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 03:52:26 -!- gendl_ [~dcooper8@c-68-41-41-80.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:55:25 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-177-27.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 03:56:16 -!- Watcher7 is now known as Watcher7|off 04:03:00 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abor102.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:03:22 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-111-138.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:05:36 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:07:37 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:12:43 -!- PuercoPop [~user@pool-96-250-244-102.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:13:01 -!- axion [~axion@lngdnd-ai02-74-214-211-129.utma.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:13:59 PuercoPop [~user@pool-96-250-244-102.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:14:14 -!- PuercoPop is now known as Guest39835 04:17:05 axion [~axion@lngdnd-ai02-74-214-211-129.utma.com] has joined #lisp 04:20:29 -!- Guest39835 [~user@pool-96-250-244-102.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:24:01 -!- miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:25:15 -!- alch___ [~michael@em117-55-68-17.emobile.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: alch___] 04:38:57 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-177-27.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:39:07 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:40:28 alch___ [~michael@em117-55-68-17.emobile.ad.jp] has joined #lisp 04:44:26 kennyd [~kennyd@78-1-171-98.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 05:00:35 -!- atamagawarui [~user@unaffiliated/dijkstragroupie] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:50 atamagawarui [~user@unaffiliated/dijkstragroupie] has joined #lisp 05:06:03 askatasuna [~askatasun@111-223-126-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #lisp 05:07:07 -!- atamagawarui [~user@unaffiliated/dijkstragroupie] has quit [Quit: Sitting in front of a computer all day long is bad for my health, so I am switching to a different computer.] 05:07:49 well i ended using a different algorithm for the regular expression compiler 05:08:03 converted it to a DFA 05:08:24 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@78-1-171-98.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Quit: bye] 05:08:38 it probably takes up a bit more memory for larger regexes though 05:10:42 arrdem [~reid@ip68-231-200-129.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 05:15:05 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 05:21:47 Pixel_Outlaw [~user@63-153-69-21.hlna.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 05:22:42 -!- alch___ [~michael@em117-55-68-17.emobile.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: alch___] 05:23:06 Hello, does anyone know of a CL library (besides nCurses) that allows keyboard polling for terminal programs? I'd like to make a game and am simply outputting vt100 terminal control codes. GUI is accounted for. 05:24:26 gravitation [~gravitati@dyn-160-39-62-113.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 05:24:34 -!- gravitation [~gravitati@dyn-160-39-62-113.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 05:25:58 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 05:26:41 Pixel_Outlaw: well it's probably not what you want, but there are cl bindings for libtcod 05:27:23 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.148.136] has joined #lisp 05:28:34 -!- kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has quit [] 05:28:48 I'll look into that. Oddly enough it seems that in many programming languages there is little support for keyboard polling. (which is odd since many people simply want to write terminal programs) 05:29:15 agumonkey [~agu@52.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 05:29:18 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 05:30:48 -!- pierpa [~user@host126-61-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:32:24 <|3b|> why would you want to limit your programming language to devices with keyboards? 05:32:27 Pixel_Outlaw: what precisely do you mean by "keyboard polling"? 05:32:38 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:33:18 Pixel_Outlaw: if all you need is by-character input, you can call "stty -icanon" to switch the terminal to character mode and then use listen/read-char 05:34:25 Pixel_Outlaw: you will then need to do your own interpretation of control characters and escape sequences, but as you're emitting ansi controls, you should have no problem with reading them either, no? 05:38:59 H4ns: I'm fiddeling around with an old WYSE green screen terminal. Just started learning Common Lisp from Touretzky's book. I guess I should learn my terminal hardware a bit better. I've always wanted a cool monochrome physical terminal simply for the limitations and historical value. :) 05:39:26 slyrus [~chatzilla@23-25-20-209-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 05:40:07 *|3b|* notes that built-in keyboard polling wouldn't help since you want to poll a terminal anyway :p 05:40:11 Pixel_Outlaw: a terminfo entry should give you all the information you need. 05:41:22 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 05:41:25 oh man 05:42:55 i got to print greek like  in my beirc client buuut.....i only can do that via command, not expand something tagged say :ucs #x3b1 on the fly... 05:43:29 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-179-67.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 05:44:02 and some font issues still remain.... 05:44:11 i'm not sure what that is related to.... 05:44:53 can anyone see this as a correct glyph  ? 05:45:06 -!- Watcher7|off is now known as Watcher7 05:45:09 or is the rendering only on my side i mean.... 05:45:18 Pixel_Outlaw: there's also read-char-no-hang http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_rd_c_1.htm 05:45:53 on the konsole i used a c program to use wide-chars and it prints them, so can't be a font issue actually i think.... 05:47:06 are chars on lisp always 1 byte ? 05:47:07 <|3b|> wbooze: looked reasonable in erc in an xterm here 05:47:20 3b: so it renders ? 05:47:29 <|3b|> chars in lisp are characters, no 'byte' involved 05:47:44 urgh, i'm so confused now.... 05:47:49 <|3b|> looked like a narrow C 05:48:08 yes, that's it 05:48:23 but in my client it does display as an empty box.... 05:48:32 but on the konsole it prints ok again... 05:48:47 so if you see it, it must be my client then.... 05:49:10 <|3b|> if you are encoding/decoding lisp characters in some external format like utf8, # of octets depends on the character and the lisp implementation... most lisps probably support all of unicode at this point (~21 bits worth or something like that) 05:49:31 two possibilities, either the font-mapping does not work, or there's something else going on.... 05:49:35 gendl_ [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:49:56 hmmm 05:50:11 Thanks all, goodnight. 05:50:13 -!- Pixel_Outlaw [~user@63-153-69-21.hlna.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 05:51:33 zRecursive [~czsq888@171.217.199.241] has joined #lisp 05:51:59 well my konsole does use a utf-8 locale, and i put a font-mapping to the same as konsole, but on the konsole the display is ok, but here on beirc not.... 05:52:20 i don't do extra decoding/encoding.... 05:52:21 atamagawarui [~user@unaffiliated/dijkstragroupie] has joined #lisp 05:52:34 i only use the (string (code-char char)) part.... 05:52:39 for displaying them... 05:53:16 and most of them display fine, but some fall thru.... 05:53:33 so i think it must be the font-mapping.... 05:53:49 otherwise i have no idea what else is going on.... 05:54:04 <|3b|> that would be my guess, assuming you can inspect the string and verify it has the right character 05:54:07 my lisp, is utf-8 able.... 05:55:21 -!- gendl_ [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:56:41 and the other part of expanding tagged hex numbers in text can wait for the first.... 05:56:50 i'll try that later on 06:08:37 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@111-223-126-200.fibertel.com.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:09:17 Kenjin [~kenjin@bl19-249-67.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 06:09:19 fmu^ [~^fmu@unaffiliated/fmu] has joined #lisp 06:10:03 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@freiksenet.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:10:03 -!- vhost- [~vhost@unaffiliated/vhost-] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:10:03 -!- cmm- [~cmm@109.67.119.85] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:10:03 -!- MoALTz [~no@host86-137-71-38.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:10:04 -!- rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:10:04 -!- pchrist 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15:11:52 Compatibility and clarity for teaching are sometimes conflicting purposes. 15:11:58 well, you can't remove FUNCALL from CL without changing the language incompatibly, for example, so I doubt the sort of minimality desired could have been satisfied by a subset 15:12:45 also, Scheme was motivated by lots of things, not just teaching 15:12:47 maybe not even teaching 15:13:07 (minimality for power, experimenting with lexical scope, ...) 15:13:20 also Common Lisp didn't exist when Scheme was made, or am I misremembering? 15:15:12 normanrichards [~normanric@AUSTTXHODS0AE13.mcleodusa.net] has joined #lisp 15:15:37 alch___ [~michael@em117-55-68-2.emobile.ad.jp] has joined #lisp 15:15:58 theseb: Why don't you check McCartney paper... You won't get more minimalistic than that.... 15:17:27 gavilan2: since you brought that up......the original lisp could be defined in terms of a few basic constructs.....can even a modern lisp be completely defined and built up in terms of those same initial basic constructs? 15:17:42 gavilan2: me thinks yes due to Turing completeness but thought i'd ask 15:17:56 theseb: probably.... 15:18:17 gavilan2: wait....we agree file i/o needs more standards, etc. 15:18:19 the basic behavior is the same... (doStuff argument argument argument) 15:18:25 gavilan2: so i think "almost" is a better answer 15:18:49 theseb: Lisp can be defined without anything additional 15:18:50 -!- scabby [~scabby@87-194-145-210.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:19:00 but you'll need to implement some primitives so 15:19:20 (doFileStuff argument) doesn't go through normal channels 15:22:36 theseb: "teaching purpouses" is a very broad cathegory. If I had to teach basic programming/cs, i would start using lisp and introducing new functions/macros as they were needed, and let the subset arise organically from the concepts I need to cover. 15:25:16 pavelpenev: sure....i would hope most classes are that way....how else would you teach a lisp class? 15:25:37 pavelpenev: i don't see any other way then building up constructs one at a time 15:25:46 unless i misunderstood your comment 15:26:47 Anyone else find it very ironic that Paul Graham built Viaweb/Yahoo Store in Lisp because it was the best tool for the job...but then iirc yahoo ported it to C++? 15:26:52 theseb: well, you can take many aproaches to teaching, depends on the audience too. If you can assume the students know basic fp/oo and programming you can focus on teaching CL api and basic usage patterns 15:27:03 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:27:13 pavelpenev: true...ok i see now 15:28:11 correct me if i'm wrong but my new notion is that Lisp is the most powerful productive language but it asks a lot of the programmer and THAT is why it isn't dominating 15:28:33 that is my only explanation why Yahoo would port PG's code to C++ 15:28:37 theseb: there is no one reason 15:28:50 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:29:34 theseb: one view is that lisp is great for prototyping, and once the feature set has settled, other languages can have advantages that make switching work 15:29:41 H4ns: presumably Yahoo wants to be able to drop a few programmers in India to fix and maintain code..stuff like that...("slapping new people on a project") isn't quick to do in lisp 15:29:41 hpd [~hpd@v22010117464441099.yourvserver.net] has joined #lisp 15:29:57 theseb: you know, even though pg claims that viaweb was great, maybe it was not so great after all if you were not pg. 15:30:01 H4ns: interesting point 15:30:08 H4ns: lol 15:30:29 H4ns: +1 15:30:46 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 15:31:38 heavy macro usage, dislike for oo, custom markup language, heavy continuation usage, yeah, viaweb was probably not the easiest codebase to maintain 15:32:04 not sure if rewriting it in C++ made it easier though :) 15:32:06 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:32:08 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 15:33:22 functionality was extended and not in lisp, so decision to not use lisp had multiple reasons 15:34:43 anyway have nothing to do with easy or not, more with maintenance costs 15:35:01 or with the availability of an architect and a team 15:35:18 -!- wchun [~wchun@81-232-46-25-no38.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:35:32 and come on, viaweb? have you heard about that from your father or what? :) 15:36:23 *rszeno* is still better then today garbage, :) 15:37:01 rszeno: have you used it? 15:37:18 no, but seen pieces, :) 15:37:21 right. 15:38:01 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Quit: o7] 15:38:52 *rszeno* i didn't used yahoo too much at that time 15:39:02 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 15:42:57 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:44:13 -!- pnpuff_ [~name@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:44:41 davorb_laptop [~textual@109-104-30-107.customers.ownit.se] has joined #lisp 15:46:28 -!- yCrazyEdd [~afterswar@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:46:36 -!- nalaginrut [~nalaginru@59.40.166.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:46:56 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 15:49:58 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:56:50 scabby [~scabby@87-194-145-210.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 15:56:53 -!- alch___ [~michael@em117-55-68-2.emobile.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: alch___] 16:00:53 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@AUSTTXHODS0AE13.mcleodusa.net] has quit [Quit: normanrichards] 16:04:23 -!- davazp [~user@79.Red-88-26-248.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:05:06 i don't see any change of word-wrap behaviour when i change the text-margin of stream *standard-output* for my clim-listener.... 16:05:13 hmmmm 16:05:52 wchun [~wchun@81-232-46-25-no38.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 16:05:55 and changing the word-warp from :scroll to :wrap via :end-of-line-action has no effect either.... 16:06:16 *bummer* 16:06:44 -!- walter|rtn [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:07:08 -!- _dlnx [~divinelyn@46.204.25.167.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has quit [Quit: GLOBOS MEOS LAMBE] 16:07:46 walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:08:07 -!- scabby [~scabby@87-194-145-210.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:10:24 -!- Fare [~fare@79.Red-88-26-248.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:11:13 -!- Krystof changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . New: SBCL 1.1.8 16:11:39 nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 16:12:16 szkrabik [~szkrabik@37.30.231.25.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has joined #lisp 16:12:27 so, only sbcl is now important? 16:13:36 -!- bitonic [~user@2.216.147.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:14:08 only sbcl is new 16:14:15 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756a0a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:14:22 everyone else should release new software to push SBCL off the end 16:15:41 or do i have todo that for *standard-input* ? 16:17:21 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:17:35 pnpuff [~name@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 16:18:07 doomlord__ [~servitor@host81-159-233-25.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 16:20:39 scabby [~scabby@87-194-145-210.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 16:20:44 Fare [~fare@195.Red-88-5-174.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 16:21:31 -!- ASau [~user@p5797E618.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:25:09 ASau [~user@p5797E618.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 16:26:19 -!- Fare [~fare@195.Red-88-5-174.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:28:40 warlock [~tracer@unaffiliated/warlock] has joined #lisp 16:28:48 -!- warlock [~tracer@unaffiliated/warlock] has left #lisp 16:29:58 Krystof, do you know how sbcl compares to lispworks? 16:30:51 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:33:09 -!- pnpuff [~name@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 16:33:48 -!- davorb_laptop [~textual@109-104-30-107.customers.ownit.se] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 16:34:07 theseb: isolisp is basically a subset of CL (fit to teaching amongst other things). 16:34:46 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85764e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 16:34:56 In general, ISO standard are better than ANSI standards. 16:35:44 But the arrive after, so they're often less used. 16:37:27 theseb: have a look at Turing Equivalence. 16:38:04 -!- scabby [~scabby@87-194-145-210.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:38:31 scabby [~scabby@87-194-145-210.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 16:38:55 -!- SanderM_ [~quassel@131.174.84.217] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:40:16 Fare [~fare@195.Red-88-5-174.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 16:41:29 where did everyone go for a beer? 16:43:42 well, good of me not to use quicklisp, now that its true purpose is revealed 16:43:58 sellout-1 [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:44:21 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44:22 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-36-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:44:51 -!- Fiora [~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has left #lisp 16:44:51 Thra11 [~Thra11@186.106.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 16:45:53 patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 16:45:57 pnpuff [~name@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 16:46:14 -!- patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Client Quit] 16:46:34 patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 16:47:20 stassats`: What are you talking about? 16:47:30 G29290 [~user@189.62.37.227] has joined #lisp 16:47:52 daimrod: http://xach.livejournal.com/318385.html 16:48:13 breakds [~breakds@cpe-74-79-147-26.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:49:10 woo 16:49:12 *pavelpenev* wellcomes our new satanic overlord 16:50:03 is supported there any binding to HDF5? 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17:13:05 ABCL, perhaps. 17:13:28 I think some people have gotten ECL to work as well. 17:13:39 ok 17:14:31 -!- gendl [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gendl] 17:15:44 tfan [~tarik@bas2-montreal29-1177924872.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 17:15:52 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 17:16:47 Hi all! 17:17:24 gendl [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:17:25 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-168-200.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:17:34 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@gw-isr.deec.uc.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:18:13 ABCL targetted a too modern VM last i checked. CCL should be able to run if it's a recent enough ARM underneath. 17:19:32 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:19:53 stassats`: do you just clone repositories and use asdf, instead of QL? 17:20:31 something like that 17:20:37 okay 17:22:22 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:23:20 does anybody use lispworks? 17:23:47 -!- luceres35 [~Luceres35@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:24:20 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:27:30 I've question, I want to make a mini compilator for lisp with haskell, i did the lambda, let , list and type, but i'don't know how to make a Filtering lists exemple (case e b1 .. bn) it must be only with (cons and nil) 17:27:49 anyone can help me ? 17:28:13 this channel is about common lisp 17:28:31 (the language) 17:28:49 CrazyEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 17:29:18 tfan: a 'Filtering lists exemple' ? 17:29:24 pnpuff: and not "the boat"? 17:29:35 stassats`: correct! 17:29:46 pnpuff: thanks for qualifying, or tfan would be so confused 17:29:54 for exemple 17:30:19 something like that 17:30:20 (let ((l (list 1 2 3)) 17:30:22 (f (lambda (x) 17:30:23 (case x (nil 0) 17:30:25 ((cons y ys) (+ 1 (f ys)))))) 17:30:26 (f l)) 17:30:27 sigh 17:30:28 it must return 3 17:30:35 tfan: paste.lisp.org next time please :) 17:30:48 Sorry 17:31:05 This is my firsyt time here :) 17:31:20 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 17:32:13 i'm not sure what you built now, but you're lacking a paren, i think. just in case you copied it from your test cases. 17:32:18 jewel [~jewel@105-237-24-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:32:46 http://paste.lisp.org/display/137421 17:33:25 -!- gendl [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gendl] 17:33:55 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:34:31 tfan: you've made up a lisp dialect which i haven't seen around. if it's based on a scheme, then you might find some help in #scheme 17:34:53 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 17:35:33 -!- Watcher7|off is now known as Watcher7 17:36:38 -!- CrazyEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Quit: .] 17:36:42 gendl [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:37:01 CrazyEddy [~auxanolog@113.52.233.162] has joined #lisp 17:37:53 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:38:19 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:38:25 this is an example to elimiate sugar syntaxe http://paste.lisp.org/display/137423 17:40:33 billstclair [~billstcla@p-68-237-142-34.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 17:40:33 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@p-68-237-142-34.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:40:33 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 17:41:28 weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 17:41:44 tfan, in a pair you could consider car as true branch and cdr as false and you have a if, extend this by curring a cond 17:43:32 rszeno: can you give me an example, i don't think about cdr and car after. 17:44:11 better a full description, one minut 17:44:30 thanks! 17:44:38 slyrus [~chatzilla@exhibitor.60.141.mpeainet.com] has joined #lisp 17:45:55 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:47:24 What's the most portable way of reading command line args? 17:47:51 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:49:34 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.185.81] has joined #lisp 17:49:34 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.185.81] has quit [Changing host] 17:49:35 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 17:52:20 hmm, there seems to be a package in QL called command-line-arguments 17:53:03 will try that out 17:53:57 guiambros [~guiambros@z65-50-88-217.ips.direcpath.com] has joined #lisp 17:54:05 Kenjin [~kenjin@bl16-253-50.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 17:54:09 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-179-67.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:55:35 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@bl16-253-50.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:55:54 tfan, http://9370b004a0b4f07b.paste.se/ 17:56:05 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@exhibitor.60.141.mpeainet.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:56:07 thanks :) 17:56:27 i take it from samwhere on the net but i don't find the link now 17:56:35 welcome, :) 17:57:23 i'll try to understand it :) 17:58:30 is the best explanation i found, pretty simple imo 17:59:39 tfan, another one is http://www.allisons.org/ll/FP/ 18:00:05 but i prefere first one, :) 18:01:08 greats the first link, that what i'm searching :) 18:01:08 -!- teggi [~teggi@113.173.4.86] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:26 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 18:01:54 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 18:01:57 idea is simple, after you evaluate the condition you already know that is true or false 18:02:52 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-160-232.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 18:03:10 then if you keep both branches in a pair selection is done by returning car in first case and cdr in second 18:03:19 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 18:04:29 -!- _d3f [~gnu@ip-static-94-242-252-66.as5577.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 18:05:19 -!- scabby [~scabby@87-194-145-210.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:06:48 askatasuna [~askatasun@111-223-126-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #lisp 18:09:01 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:10:22 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:10:26 gabnet [~gabnet@ACaen-652-1-301-157.w90-17.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 18:12:19 _dlnx [~divinelyn@afea78.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 18:13:52 -!- danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:15:21 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.148.136] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:16:31 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.148.136] has joined #lisp 18:19:14 I'm getting a lot of style warnings (SBCL) because of a dependency on uiop 18:19:17 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@student-244-89.eduroam.uu.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:20:15 STYLE-WARNING: redefining ... 18:21:09 Is that bad? 18:21:16 Louis11 [~Adium@68-116-223-7.dhcp.sprn.tx.charter.com] has joined #lisp 18:21:21 -!- namtsui` [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:22:08 Are the redefinitions expected? 18:22:23 namtsui` [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:22:28 pnpuff_ [~name@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:23:37 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756a0a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 18:24:45 gmcastil [~user@70-59-29-55.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:25:16 -!- pnpuff [~name@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:25:56 Is there an appropriate way to log the execution path of a lisp application? (i.e. FunctionA is called by FunctionB, is called by FunctionC, etc) 18:26:31 I added a #:command-line-arguments (which depends on uiop) in my :depends-on in a .asd I have not yet used any code from that library. Doing a clean build gives me a lot of warnings 18:26:40 clhs trace 18:26:40 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_tracec.htm 18:26:46 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:26:53 how do you return multiple values but one by one ? 18:27:18 each on newline say but without using print 18:27:49 stassats`: Thanks, exactly what I needed :0 18:27:51 *:) 18:29:16 danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:29:20 i have (ucs-insert #x2200) return me "" but when i use (loop for i from #x2200 to #x2300 do (ucs-insert i)) i get no output, and when i use print in the loop it all prints but the results are no more usable for me, i cannot click on them for example 18:29:23 So basically, a trivial inclusion of uiop in a project is printing a lot of warnings 18:30:45 oh my, i don't wanna define another presentation-type for that.... 18:30:55 -!- tfan [~tarik@bas2-montreal29-1177924872.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:33:00 Kenjin [~kenjin@2.80.249.67] has joined #lisp 18:33:28 I think uiop monkeypatches a lot of asdf. 18:34:26 Is there any way of not having these warnings, or are they not that serious? 18:35:35 they're style warnings, not warnings. SBCL uses style warnings to point out potential issues and probably less-than-ideal code. 18:36:18 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 18:36:40 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@freiksenet.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:36:55 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:39:04 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:40:08 Any uiop users here who have had similar problems? 18:42:03 I'm using ASDF 2.26, would upgrading help? 18:42:49 -!- moore33 [~moore@ABordeaux-153-1-20-197.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:45:15 wbooze, maybe you want to collect all of the results of your ucs-insert calls? (loop ... collect (ucs-insert i))? 18:45:19 josemanuel [~josemanue@204.215.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 18:45:31 hmm 18:45:58 nilsi_ [~nilsi@host-95-199-199-75.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 18:46:19 aaah 18:46:22 that works 18:47:19 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@111-223-126-200.fibertel.com.ar] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 18:47:45 atamagawarui [~user@unaffiliated/dijkstragroupie] has joined #lisp 18:50:57 -!- namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:51:21 namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:51:37 -!- namtsui` [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:51:47 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 18:53:12 -!- gendl [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gendl] 18:54:31 k-stz [~user@HSI-KBW-095-208-250-137.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 18:55:42 moore33 [~moore@ABordeaux-153-1-1-19.w92-146.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 18:55:51 -!- hagish [~hagish@p578E3BB3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:56:31 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:57:32 -!- G29290 [~user@189.62.37.227] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:57:45 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-48-164-128.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:58:32 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:00:03 gendl [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:00:08 -!- gabnet [~gabnet@ACaen-652-1-301-157.w90-17.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #lisp 19:00:53 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:00:57 any free ISO lisp implementation that works on linux? thx 19:01:13 samebchase: i recommend upgrading your asdf 19:01:25 do you know how to upgrade a quicklisp installation? 19:01:55 pnpuff_: I think the one linked to from official site of ISO Lisp works on Linux. It also used to work on NetBSD/alpha, iircd 19:02:30 -!- CrazyEddy [~auxanolog@113.52.233.162] has quit [Changing host] 19:02:30 CrazyEddy [~auxanolog@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 19:07:12 Ue [~Ue@unaffiliated/ue] has joined #lisp 19:08:03 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:09:57 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:10:48 zolk3ri1 [~zolk3ri@catv-89-132-196-182.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 19:10:53 -!- yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:10:57 p_l: thank, actually I've found only dayLISP (an EXPERIMENTAL/INCOMPLETE implementation of ISLisp) 19:11:11 -!- Louis11 [~Adium@68-116-223-7.dhcp.sprn.tx.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:11:12 zolk3ri: You should have not come back. 19:11:19 -!- zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:11:22 normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 19:11:53 *thanks* 19:11:56 gendl_ [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:12:35 -!- gendl [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:12:36 -!- gendl_ is now known as gendl 19:14:34 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has quit [Client Quit] 19:14:44 -!- banjara1 [~Adium@172-7-148-12.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:15:44 hmm, SDF software list no longer mention it 19:18:01 I seem to recall they once listed an ISO Lisp system there 19:18:32 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:19:34 pnpuff_: http://christian.jullien.free.fr/ <--- this one fits? 19:19:47 freiksenet [~freiksene@freiksenet.com] has joined #lisp 19:20:05 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B298073.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:20:38 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:23:00 -!- breakds [~breakds@cpe-74-79-147-26.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:24:34 moore33: clisp could also do, on the ntk. 19:26:29 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:27:49 benny [~user@maidenhead3.tunnelr.com] has joined #lisp 19:29:25 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-237-24-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:29:52 przl [~przlrkt@p5B298073.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:31:45 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-222-56-127.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:33:10 moore33: depends on what you want - if it's just running on an android device, then CCL, CLISP and ECL are all options 19:33:33 (CCL might not work on certain low-ends, but with current version it will be hard to find one) 19:34:22 Bike [~Glossina@71-222-56-127.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:35:32 <|3b|> any news on mocl from eclm yet? 19:35:43 haven't heard anything from my spies 19:36:00 -!- PuffTheMagic [uid3325@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qnyadhdvuvqbrqkh] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 19:36:05 or tiny Lisp ISLisproid ... maybe 19:36:50 if you want to write lisp apps for Android, not run "beside it", you need to go with ECL, or whatever mocl will be 19:38:31 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:40:36 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:42:10 gendl: I've upgraded to asdf3, but will I have to do a (asdf:load-system :asdf) everytime to use it? 19:42:34 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-160-232.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:44:00 loading asdf3 is giving me similar redefinition style warnings 19:44:34 logand [~tomas@e178124236.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 19:45:06 I've tried loading a package with asdf3 and I'm still getting the same warnings 19:45:54 ManAmongHippos [~ManAmongH@164.111.213.168] has joined #lisp 19:47:49 loading my project with clips just with a uiop dependency in my .asd is printing a lot of redefinition warnings in clisp as well 19:48:24 samebchase: where are the redef warnings coming from? clips or uiop itself? 19:48:56 -!- guiambros [~guiambros@z65-50-88-217.ips.direcpath.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:49:27 from uiop itself 19:49:36 tfan [~tarik@bas2-montreal29-1177924872.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 19:49:47 I'll paste an example 19:51:07 http://paste.lisp.org/display/137425 19:51:27 -!- ManAmongHippos [~ManAmongH@164.111.213.168] has quit [Quit: ManAmongHippos] 19:51:37 my project loads fine otherwise. Just adding a uiop dependency in the .asd results in all these warnings 19:51:52 -!- theseb [~cs@74.194.237.26] has left #lisp 19:51:52 are you using quicklisp? 19:53:26 bitonic [~user@2.216.147.33] has joined #lisp 19:53:27 I'm loading my project as: (asdf:load-system :) 19:55:19 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:56:55 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@2602:306:3686:aac0:4e6:9ab3:8ee3:6320] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:56:57 I'm not getting any warning when loading with QL, but building using asdf is causing those problems. 19:57:17 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85764e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 19:57:31 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:59:04 p_l: thanks again , I've found http://www.islisp.info/implementations.html ...and now I'm playing a bit with the GLisp's lexer :) wow !! 19:59:06 logand_ [~tomas@e179157013.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 20:00:48 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@host-95-199-199-75.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:01:45 -!- logand [~tomas@e178124236.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:05:30 -!- tfan [~tarik@bas2-montreal29-1177924872.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:06:01 LiamH [~none@pool-173-48-164-128.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:07:14 AeroNoti1 [~xeno@aboh159.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:08:30 i'm pretty sure the uiop redef warnings went away for me when I upgraded to asdf 2.33 or later 20:08:47 if you're upgrading asdf with quicklisp, you have to do a few steps: 20:08:54 1. replace quicklisp/asdf.lisp with the new asdf.lisp 20:08:59 tfan [~tarik@bas2-montreal29-1177924872.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 20:09:03 2. rm -r quicklisp/cache/ 20:09:27 3. edit quicklisp/setup.lisp and change *required-asdf-version* to the exact version you have in quicklisp/asdf.lisp 20:09:33 then restart your system 20:10:29 -!- kromitvs [~nando@bl9-189-33.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:10:40 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abor102.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:11:19 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-21-139.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:12:25 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has left #lisp 20:13:36 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 20:17:10 -!- gmcastil [~user@70-59-29-55.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:17:33 nan- [~user@46.197.112.126] has joined #lisp 20:18:38 gendl: Thanks. I'll try that and see 20:20:51 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:22:23 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-21-139.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 20:24:30 -!- gendl [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gendl] 20:27:04 -!- Watcher7 is now known as Watcher7|off 20:27:28 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:28:00 since this is sunday, i am hoping there are not many people reading this. just for the record (as i don't really know anywhere else nor i want to). as someone with an anarchist views i am watching all this and i just ashamed of being a turk and human. a country ruled by military from its inception, took so many lives. just last decade over 10000. no one said nothing.. now i am to believe this unrest started over two trees? sorry 20:28:01 everyone. 20:29:05 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-21-139.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:30:24 gendl: the warnings have gone, but there's a different problem. 20:30:56 it is hard not to admire this powerplay whoever doing this, but seeing how easy to manipulate people. i maybe stop it. (again sorry i'll stop now) 20:31:11 minion: chant 20:31:11 MORE USABLE 20:31:12 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@118.193-67-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 20:31:12 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@118.193-67-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Changing host] 20:31:12 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 20:31:17 there you go 20:31:29 Now I have to do a (push "project/src/dir/" asdf:*central-registry*) each time I want to build my project 20:32:20 samebchase: the asdf manual goes over how to change where asdf looks for stuff 20:32:27 -!- _dlnx [~divinelyn@afea78.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 20:32:32 Bike: I'll check it out. 20:32:54 -!- clog [~nef@bespin.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:32:57 Is this some sort of default that was changed between versions? 20:33:16 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-203-29-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:33:25 -!- pierpa [~user@host126-61-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:35:04 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-21-139.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 20:36:14 okay asdf:*central-registry* is not the preferred way anymore hmm... 20:36:26 jmnoz [~jmn@unaffiliated/setre] has joined #lisp 20:36:34 dfox [~dfox@123.100.broadband11.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 20:36:48 well i mean, you can set up a config file to look at your place 20:36:56 or you could just put the (push) in your rc, of course 20:37:42 Just for my understanding: SBCL programs start relatively slow when not compiled to an image. It seems a lot more sane to keep a special shell open for sbcl to execute lisp programs/scripts. Is that something you also do? 20:38:21 I want asdf to first search in the cwd before anything else 20:38:25 pierpa [~user@host126-61-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 20:38:31 It would be nicer if somehow you can just send a message to the running system to execute whatever one wants, which is likely also possible. 20:38:47 I am essentially asking for a way to make it practical to write utilities in Common Lisp. 20:39:13 The utilities need to execute at least as fast as utilities written in sh and start also about as fast. 20:39:49 hi, anybody using lispworks? maybe I am more lucky this time 20:39:50 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.184.117] has joined #lisp 20:39:51 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.184.117] has quit [Changing host] 20:39:51 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 20:40:47 ASau` [~user@p5797EE7C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:40:59 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-21-139.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:41:06 -!- AeroNoti1 [~xeno@aboh159.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 20:41:17 ikki [~ikki@187.208.209.197] has joined #lisp 20:41:35 AeroNotix [~xeno@aboh159.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:42:13 -!- ASau [~user@p5797E618.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:42:32 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-48-164-128.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:42:40 samebchase: if you're using quicklisp, you can just put your project in local-projects/ 20:42:47 puchacz: it's freenode 20:43:03 stassats`: free = free software only? 20:43:59 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 20:44:20 because I was wondering how well lispworks stands to sbcl, which I have been using for years. maybe I should ask lispworks guys to get impartial opinion, haha ? 20:44:36 lispworks costs money 20:44:46 true 20:45:15 at least its price is listed on the webpage, unlike for franz 20:45:21 Kenjin: yes. that is one solution. I'm trying to find out how to make asdf search in cwd first e.g. like make 20:45:25 so I never considered franz 20:47:54 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-21-139.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 20:48:02 I guess I could symlink to local-projects, but that seems like an inelegant solution 20:48:25 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756a0a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:48:47 symlink to my src-dir from local-projects* 20:48:53 -!- Watcher7|off is now known as Watcher7 20:49:47 samebchase: if it's just a fixed directory that's easily configurable. 20:49:51 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@95-28-228-56.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:03 samebchase: whats your build process like? 20:51:43 cdidd [~cdidd@93-80-5-216.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 20:52:26 I cd into my src dir and then (asdf:load-system ..) 20:52:39 breakds [~breakds@cpe-74-79-147-26.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:52:50 samebchase: that should work, given you have an .asd file 20:53:08 what's the problem? 20:53:19 that's not working with the new asdf 20:54:28 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.148.136] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:54:37 samebchase: oh, I see. 20:56:33 francogrex [~user@91.179.199.88] has joined #lisp 20:57:23 are there still plans to build sbcl for arm ? 20:57:41 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:58:45 -!- breakds [~breakds@cpe-74-79-147-26.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:00:01 hmm the symlink method works for now 21:00:06 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85764e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:00:06 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:00:29 kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 21:00:40 is my asdf misconfigured if it doesn't try to check the cwd first? 21:00:46 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-21-139.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:01:19 samebchase: don't think the current version does that anymore 21:01:46 you could also check http://common-lisp.net/project/asdf/asdf.html#Configuring-ASDF 21:01:51 If you haven't already 21:02:13 yup. I'm considering adding a (:tree "") thingy 21:02:28 phew. I was worried there for a moment 21:02:57 I usually have my stuff on local-projects/, but yeah, that would be my alternative 21:03:13 -!- otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:05:33 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85764e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 21:06:49 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85764e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:06:54 I've created a file with (:tree "~/projects/) so now I'm able to load my previous projects as well 21:06:58 hmm nice. 21:07:29 , but the uiop redefinition style-warnings are back 21:07:33 grr. 21:07:42 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 21:08:34 with asdf3, I seem to be getting an even bigger list of warnings 21:09:12 Too bad no warning about while before for in loops :-( 21:09:48 asdf should't be used like make. Glad I just realised that. 21:10:34 -!- agumonkey [~agu@52.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:12:20 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85764e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 21:12:29 -!- pnpuff_ is now known as pnpuff 21:13:24 besides git and cliki where do you keep track of new projects? 21:13:54 by creating them 21:14:16 francogrex: asking here for recommendations 21:14:31 francogrex: git? You mean http://gitorious.org and http://cliki.net I guess 21:15:01 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:15:36 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c1d25.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:15:55 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.234.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:16:12 francogr` [~user@8.93-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 21:16:25 i was cut 21:16:37 otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has joined #lisp 21:16:51 -!- francogrex [~user@91.179.199.88] has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:16:59 -!- francogr` is now known as francogrex 21:18:10 oh man, there's no way to not go beyond say 140 or so chars on the screen (window pane) in clim-listener 21:18:11 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-21-139.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 21:18:37 the :wrap behaviour is only taking effect for printed things i.e. presentation type stuff.... 21:18:52 but when i type i can go beyond the border.... 21:18:58 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:19:07 nug700 [~nug700@184-98-124-8.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:19:18 i have also put/made a vertical scrollbar which then shows it....(the scroll bar changes) 21:20:01 and the 140 or lines are actually specified via value 1400 of text-margin for the pane 21:20:09 err s/lines/chars/ 21:20:27 but those are pixels i assume or pixel based.... 21:20:48 so show me new project where? 21:21:49 jrajav [~jrajav@71-82-124-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 21:21:53 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 21:22:12 and stream-text-margin does not have any effect either, since pane-text-margin overrides anyway....and there's no :wrap option for end-of-page slot 21:22:32 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-21-139.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:25:01 -!- francogrex [~user@8.93-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:25:47 there's :wrap only for end-of-line-action slot, but why does it work only for output, not input ? 21:25:51 -!- pnpuff [~name@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:26:36 not specialized for presentations i assume..... 21:31:47 nilsi_ [~nilsi@host-95-199-199-75.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 21:32:17 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 21:39:51 natechan [~natechan@c-71-56-124-186.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:41:13 -!- Kabaka [kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:41:34 Guest39835 [~user@pool-96-250-219-190.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:42:59 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 21:47:39 Kabaka [kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #lisp 21:49:26 r_dawg [~user@c-50-135-145-59.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:50:16 arademaker [~user@232.Red-80-33-21.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 21:50:48 mrSpec [~Spec@153.Red-81-44-172.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 21:50:49 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@153.Red-81-44-172.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:50:49 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 21:52:41 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85764e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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I have both SICP and PCL and they're both freely available :p 22:58:00 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85764e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:58:36 you are interested in ai? 22:58:56 Whether you are or not, PAIP is a wonderful book :) 22:59:05 (not listed there, though) 22:59:34 paip and aima are not mit books, :) 22:59:38 yeah 22:59:55 I know PAIP, but not for my current budget :p 23:00:10 its on the to buy list 23:00:28 but, AMOP for about 20 bucks seems a good deal 23:00:36 cohen, http://mitpress.mit.edu/books/empirical-methods-artificial-intelligence 23:01:19 taylor, http://mitpress.mit.edu/books/what-every-engineer-should-know-about-artificial-intelligence 23:01:41 depend of buget, how much you want to spend 23:01:52 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:02:31 dyer too, http://mitpress.mit.edu/books/depth-understanding 23:02:39 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:02:41 was looking maybe to get up to 2 books, not exceeding $50 dollars, with discount :p 23:03:05 I was looking also at the little schemer series 23:03:11 and http://mitpress.mit.edu/books/elements-computing-systems 23:03:59 -!- atamagawarui [~user@unaffiliated/dijkstragroupie] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:12 atamagawarui [~user@unaffiliated/dijkstragroupie] has joined #lisp 23:04:44 i don't know, seems more a general intro and is from 2008 23:04:58 hardware is changed fast 23:05:03 -!- PuercoPop [PuercoPop@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:feae:c11b] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:05:41 is hard to suggest, :) 23:05:56 hehe 23:06:04 AMOP is on the chart :P 23:06:12 cart 23:07:36 depend on your interest, i would like for me to buy dyer for example but i'm biased 23:08:35 http://pinterest.com/vseloved/lisp-books/ very nice list 23:11:01 -!- Thra11 [~Thra11@186.106.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:11:54 yes, look only at half of it and i give up, i would probably like to buy half of them, :) 23:12:02 http://mitpress.mit.edu/books/lisp-15-programmers-manual :p 23:14:58 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:16:28 -!- ikki [~ikki@187.208.209.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:16:38 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85764e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 23:17:08 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:17:23 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:18:10 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:18:47 -!- entitativity [~entity@c-50-136-180-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:06 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85764e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:22:54 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 23:24:35 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:25:19 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:26:25 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85764e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 23:26:59 Lis [~Lis@p3E9E916C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 23:29:37 -!- atamagawarui [~user@unaffiliated/dijkstragroupie] has quit [Quit: Sitting in front of a computer all day long is bad for my health, so I am switching to a different computer.] 23:34:36 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85764e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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I'll never free it 23:53:28 -!- natechan [~natechan@c-71-56-124-186.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 23:54:10 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:54:10 why do you want that? 23:56:24 I'm looking at doing tricky stuff with that along with memory-mapped shared libraries to package stuff together 23:57:03 Also just playing around with ways to extend SBCL through foreign code that persists along with the core 23:57:17 aka Just For Fun (TM) 23:58:55 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-222-56-127.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]