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has joined #lisp 00:32:06 wakeup`: I use waf 00:32:42 basically as a fancy shell script unless I'm also using C++ in the project 00:33:49 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:34:40 question for the room: Is there a canonical lisp system used for simple linear algebra or is everyone just rolling their own? 00:35:11 -!- Gooder [~user@218.69.12.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:39:32 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-108-48-74-4.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:41:35 -!- wakeup` [~user@xdsl-89-0-65-247.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: nn] 00:44:55 -!- KDr2 [~KDr2@123.122.122.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:45:27 photex: something like maxima? 00:45:39 thanks DataLinkDroid I'll check it out 00:46:19 -!- PuercoPop [~user@cpe-24-193-207-225.si.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:47:32 well, not quite like that 00:47:48 I'd want to use it for graphics programming, rather than plot things and so on 00:49:24 I'm mostly just curious because I've seen so many implementations in C++ that after a while you just have to wonder why nobody standardizes on glm or something 00:49:49 didn't want to build something when a perfectly good implementation already exists :) 00:51:58 fenton [~fenton@ppp-110-168-50-74.revip5.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 00:52:12 chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-241-240-138.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:52:13 <|3b|> if you mean the stuff sb-cga does, you might try sb-cga 00:54:18 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 00:59:24 *Xach* is pretty hyped to be leaving for ECLM tomorrow 01:00:04 |3b|: yep, I think that's pretty much what I was looking for 01:00:22 very hard to find this given it's name 01:00:36 *photex* needs to learn how to cliki better I bet 01:00:58 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:02:13 Xach: is quicklisp only for libraries, or do you also accept programs into the package 01:02:14 wow, sb-cga looks to be best used with sbcl 01:02:32 <|3b|> yeah, that's where the sb- came from :p 01:02:36 *photex* perhaps should reconsider using clozure for everything 01:02:54 <|3b|> feel free to submit patches for other implementations 01:03:00 kenanb: there are some programs in there. 01:03:04 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@dh207-62-134.xnet.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:03:09 *|3b|* did minimal ports to a bunch, but didn't optimize any of them 01:03:11 arquebus [~frath@99-184-250-16.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:03:13 kenanb: if they can be built with asdf, they can generally go into quicklisp 01:04:03 Xach: I don't know if that does any good to any other projects but I just realized this thing still works with no problems: https://github.com/kenanb/twitgraph 01:04:23 miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:04:37 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:05:28 <|3b|> from what i remember, it has some portable optimizations already, but for the stuff i used it for it didn't really matter 01:05:49 Xach: it does a twitter search for a topic with given parameters and creates a dot graph of the related topics using graphviz. 01:06:04 -!- kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:06:30 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:06:31 <|3b|> i think it was originally written for a ray tracer or something, so had lots of stuff for messing with lots of vectors as fast as possible, while i mostly do opengl stuff so just need to multiply a few matrices per frame or whatever 01:07:59 Xach: examples here: http://kenanb.wordpress.com/2012/01/22/twitter-diagrams/ 01:09:29 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:09:29 That looks nicer than dot 01:09:30 kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 01:09:36 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 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02:57:52 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 02:58:37 (,a . ,b) is very different from (,a ,b) 03:01:39 supposedly a and b are bound to forms.. so ((foo 42) (bar 35)) gets turned to (cons (foo 42) (bar 35)) 03:03:04 -!- Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:03:39 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.149.86.255] has joined #lisp 03:03:46 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:04:03 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.189.202] has joined #lisp 03:04:04 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.189.202] has quit [Changing host] 03:04:04 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 03:04:06 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Client Quit] 03:04:29 Guest22221 [~attila_le@92.47.189.202] has joined #lisp 03:04:58 but what's the difference between the generated: (loop for (a . b) in (list (cons (foo 42) (bar 35))) ...) vs. (loop for (a b) in ((foo 42) (bar 35))) 03:05:41 -!- Guest22221 is now known as attila_lendvai1 03:05:47 the latter will result in an error being signaled 03:05:49 -!- attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@92.47.189.202] has quit [Changing host] 03:05:49 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 03:06:15 ah, i see it. 03:06:49 why not: `(loop for (,a ,b) in (list ,@body)) 03:06:50 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@108-225-26-178.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:07:04 robot: I think you're missing a nesting level 03:09:19 here's where there is coming from: http://web.archive.org/web/20060221200227/http://common-lisp.net/pipermail/cl-ppcre-devel/2004-June/000041.html 03:09:25 you could replace the code generating code with `(loop for (,a ,b) in (list ,@(loop for (a b) in body collect `(list ,a ,b)))) 03:09:40 alch___ [~michael@pb6abea75.tokyff01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 03:10:11 robot-beethoven: the point is that ((foo 42) (bar 35)) does not have a function name (or a lambda form) as its car 03:10:25 adelgado [~TomSawyer@c-66-229-185-165.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:11:30 adeht: this makes sense now, thanks. i clearly haven't written many macros yet ;) 03:12:49 hoyang [~hoyang@60.168.85.187] has joined #lisp 03:14:06 nightfly [~sage@sagenite.net] has joined #lisp 03:15:12 robot: here you can see that your expansion will result in something like (loop for (a b) in (("'.*'" 'string) ...)) <- think about evaluation of the form after IN 03:16:04 or rather, (list ("'.*'" 'string) ...) <- think about the form after LIST 03:17:57 what about: `(loop for (,a ,b) in (quote ,body)) 03:18:58 robot-beethoven: it seems at least the token part should be evaluated according to this code.. 'string -> string 03:20:54 robot-beethoven: if you wanted you could use quote with a syntax like (deflexer mylexer ("'.*'" string) ...) but that is less flexible than the code in that link, though it may be a reasonable choice given some requirements 03:21:41 adeht: ah, yes... i plan to alter this to support functions where token is, so token must be evaluated 03:25:53 -!- theos is now known as Guest89991 03:26:18 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 03:26:58 -!- natechan [~natechan@c-71-56-124-186.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 03:29:30 -!- Guest89991 [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:30:14 gmcastil` [~user@ip-64-134-60-3.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 03:30:41 -!- gmcastil [~user@ip-64-134-60-3.public.wayport.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:35:16 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 03:45:42 robot-beethoven : recall that (foo bar) is the same list as (foo . (bar . ())) 03:46:56 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:48:04 Myk267 [~myk@unaffiliated/myk267] has joined #lisp 03:50:49 -!- ckoch786 [~quassel@cpe-98-27-140-191.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:51:31 -!- gmcastil` [~user@ip-64-134-60-3.public.wayport.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:51:45 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.34.206] has joined #lisp 03:52:11 Hello everyone! 03:53:31 Hi 03:57:14 hello 03:57:58 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@dh207-62-134.xnet.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:59:21 I have macro which binds new values to global variable in local context and it uses function references but sbcl doesn't see them: http://paste.lisp.org/display/137388, what's wrong with my code? 04:00:21 -!- teiresias [~teiresias@archlinux/trusteduser/teiresias] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:02:00 hitecnologys: look at the macroexpansion. 04:02:02 hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@94.137.34.206] has joined #lisp 04:02:05 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.149.86.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:02:55 kennyd [~kennyd@dh207-62-141.xnet.hr] has joined #lisp 04:02:59 Damn, lost connection. 04:03:05 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.149.86.255] has joined #lisp 04:03:13 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:03:20 Did I miss something? 04:03:40 hitecnologys: look at the macroexpansion. it's wrong. 04:05:01 Bike: I already did this, it seems to be ok for me. Why it's wrong? 04:05:07 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.34.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:05:12 -!- hitecnologys1 is now known as hitecnologys 04:05:31 hitecnologys: you don't see the problem with '(106 #'move-selection-down)? 04:05:59 Bike: oh crap, I just missed it. Thanks. 04:06:54 similar to the previous discussion ;) 04:07:34 I just probably need to get some sleep, didn't sleep for 2 days =P 04:07:39 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-215-44-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 04:08:24 as I see now, my mistakes rate doubles every hour after a day without any rest 04:09:44 "just one more thing to do and then I'll go to bed", I think everybody know this 04:10:02 and sorry for off-topic 04:14:54 teiresias [~teiresias@archlinux/trusteduser/teiresias] has joined #lisp 04:20:08 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.34.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:21:52 -!- newcup [newcup@peruna.fi] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:33:23 -!- kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has quit [] 04:34:18 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@41-135-197-102.dsl.mweb.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:37:07 _veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:37:07 -!- _veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 04:37:07 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 04:37:52 -!- JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-210-215.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:38:01 JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-210-215.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 04:47:20 Harag [~Thunderbi@41-135-197-102.dsl.mweb.co.za] has joined #lisp 05:01:50 gavilan2 [~Gavilan2@198.144.156.137] has joined #lisp 05:02:11 -!- axion [~axion@lngdnd-ai02-74-214-211-129.utma.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 05:02:40 axion [~axion@lngdnd-ai02-74-214-211-129.utma.com] has joined #lisp 05:02:48 -!- AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@99-136-83-34.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:03:44 gmcastil [~user@70-59-29-55.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 05:06:26 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-215-44-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:10:13 -!- alch___ [~michael@pb6abea75.tokyff01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: alch___] 05:11:14 arrdem [~reid@ip68-231-200-129.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 05:11:19 -!- arrdem [~reid@ip68-231-200-129.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:12:01 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@dh207-62-141.xnet.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:13:42 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d868f73.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 05:14:00 arrdem [~reid@ip68-231-200-129.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 05:16:55 kennyd [~kennyd@dh207-62-141.xnet.hr] has joined #lisp 05:16:58 -!- brendal [~user@cpe-107-9-36-17.woh.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:23:43 -!- meiji11 [~user@75.158.41.148] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:24:50 sdemarre [~serge@133.83-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 05:25:47 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d868f73.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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an instance to the class teacher (the class teacher has class person as direct superclass). How can I do to combine both these constructor functions in one like (make-teacher 'person-name person-age 'subject-of-teaching) ? I have to build a constructor function that instantiates two cla 09:01:34 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:01:48 pnpuff: you should read an introduction to close, in particular to make-instance and how one defines methods for it. 09:03:22 yes H4ns , I'm reading now "A Brief Guide to CLOS" and I'm trying to understand a little bit the topic.... 09:03:46 maybe that guide is too brief 09:07:07 H4ns: thanks.... maybe defmethod is what I need 09:09:39 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:13:49 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:14:40 nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-203-12.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 09:14:52 you need methods on initialize-instance. 09:15:43 newcup [newcup@peruna.fi] has joined #lisp 09:17:44 Thra11 [~Thra11@31.185.195.48] has joined #lisp 09:17:57 zorkmoid, does SICL run? 09:18:58 ahoops [~ahoops__@121.96.14.223] has joined #lisp 09:21:41 -!- kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Quit: l'unica verità.. è la morte stessa!] 09:29:31 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:29:57 -!- vsync [~vsync@wsip-98-175-216-162.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 09:30:01 vsync- [~vsync@wsip-98-175-216-162.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 09:31:11 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:31:18 -!- stopbit [~stopbit@198.178.121.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:31:51 stopbit [~stopbit@198.178.121.206] has joined #lisp 09:34:50 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.194] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:35:12 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.194] has joined #lisp 09:35:20 -!- dwts [pid@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-grzcvgrwucioywja] has left #lisp 09:36:29 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:36:35 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.194] has quit [Client Quit] 09:36:57 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.194] has joined #lisp 09:37:29 -!- paul0 [~paul0@187.112.64.6] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:38:29 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:38:51 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Quit: (save-lisp-and-die)] 09:40:13 pierpa [~user@host91-220-dynamic.47-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 09:42:14 BlankVerse [~pankajm@dhcp140.dmi.ens.fr] has joined #lisp 09:46:45 H4ns: sorry, I solved simply with: (defun make-teacher (name age matter) (make-instance 'person :name name :age age) (make-instance 'teacher :subject subject-of-teaching)) . do you think this solution is right? 09:47:07 no, you're creating two seperate objects that way. 09:47:22 you need to read a better text on object oriented programming. 09:47:24 minion: keene 09:47:25 keene: No definition was found in the first 5 lines of http://www.cliki.net/keene 09:47:40 pnpuff: try http://www.cliki.net/keene 09:54:14 -!- KDr2 [~KDr2@111.161.70.16] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:55:34 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 09:56:49 -!- gmcastil [~user@70-59-29-55.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:57:21 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-110-168-50-74.revip5.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 10:00:10 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:01:45 -!- alch___ [~michael@pb6abea75.tokyff01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: alch___] 10:02:53 drewc_ [~drewc@drewc.org] has joined #lisp 10:03:43 johs_ [~johs@hawk.netfonds.no] has joined #lisp 10:03:52 j0ni_ [~j0ni@tomos.lollyshouse.net] has joined #lisp 10:03:53 theBlack1ragon [~dragon@213.211.143.23] has joined #lisp 10:03:55 Faed [fade@outrider.deepsky.com] has joined #lisp 10:05:04 -!- benny [~user@maidenhead3.tunnelr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:05:04 -!- drewc [~drewc@drewc.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:05:04 -!- sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:05:04 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:05:04 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.135.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:05:05 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:05:05 -!- CrazyEddy [~bislings@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:05:05 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@213.211.143.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:05:05 -!- johs [~johs@hawk.netfonds.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:05:05 -!- j0ni [~j0ni@tomos.lollyshouse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:05:05 -!- Fade [fade@outrider.deepsky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:05:08 -!- theBlack1ragon is now known as theBlackDragon 10:06:32 CrazyEddy [~proteanwi@113.52.233.162] has joined #lisp 10:06:32 -!- CrazyEddy [~proteanwi@113.52.233.162] has quit [Changing host] 10:06:32 CrazyEddy [~proteanwi@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 10:07:21 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:09:27 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:16:56 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 10:18:36 pnpuff_ [~LaGrange@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 10:19:19 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Excess Flood] 10:20:48 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 10:21:32 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 10:22:06 -!- pnpuff [~LaGrange@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:22:48 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:24:16 -!- danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:24:20 harish [~harish@155.69.176.127] has joined #lisp 10:25:25 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:26:51 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:26:58 -!- pnpuff_ is now known as pnpuff 10:28:47 -!- harish [~harish@155.69.176.127] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:32:50 jewel: afaik, no... 10:32:52 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:33:51 zorkmoid, seems like a massive project without a compelling goal? The ELS paper mentions debuggability but not really more than that? 10:34:11 jewel: well, i don't understand the goal either .. 10:34:34 though i think it is interesting, and support the idea of writing cl implementations from scratch .. 10:34:47 since alot of them are so darn old, and cruddy that it isn't funny 10:35:25 the spec's what's crufty 10:35:38 poor whoever's-doing-it 10:35:41 davazp [~user@213.37.200.68.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 10:35:50 the spec isn't crufty at all 10:36:11 sure, sure 10:36:15 have a good SET, then 10:36:45 not sure what you mean is cruft about set 10:36:53 it is just setf on symbol-value 10:37:02 and is deprecated. 10:42:20 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:43:51 danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:47:16 chr [~user@148.122.202.244] has joined #lisp 10:49:28 Hi. CL-HTTP, building a certain page requires populating a cache, user gets bored waiting and clicks escape or something. What would be the idiom to ensure that the function populating the cache is allowed to finish its work? 10:50:00 natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 10:51:56 chr: hmph...good one. 10:52:24 chr: spawn a background thread 10:53:00 zorkmoid: I think it's about time someone hit me over the head with some good language-neutral reading on concurrent programming. 10:53:01 yeah, that is the simplest ... though, i think a bit ugly 10:53:01 or populate the cache at startup, before any requests are served 10:53:47 chr: me too! :-) 10:54:00 sthalik: Yeah, I guess it's better to ensure that the cache is "always" populated, as in prior to opening shop. 10:54:15 chr: how often is it updated? or changed? 10:54:57 zorkmoid: when I flush it. ;) It's actually *supposed* to be a constant. 10:55:30 chr: oh, then do it at compile time! 10:55:59 chr: dump it into your fasl, and you can just load that .. 10:56:17 Would prefer that compilation be done without database connection. Do you think otherwise? 10:56:36 _veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 10:56:36 -!- _veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 10:56:36 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 10:56:57 i don't see why that would be a problem .. 10:57:48 zorkmoid: It'd be tempting to have superfast startup rather than waiting for populating caches, will think about it... 10:58:07 s/superfast/quick/ 10:58:09 chr: since it is constant, it isn't something you would do all the time .. 10:58:23 chr: so the hit to the db once in a while seems not a prblem 10:58:26 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:00:07 that is how i would do it.... and actually do it. :-) 11:01:26 Thanks for your suggestions, some stuff to think about and tinker with. 11:03:39 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:04:02 sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has joined #lisp 11:04:02 -!- gemelen [~gemelen@gemelen.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:04:41 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.250.89] has joined #lisp 11:06:02 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-203-12.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:06:26 nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-203-12.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 11:06:37 chr: what are you doing? not many people use cl-http these days afaik... 11:07:53 gemelen [~gemelen@gemelen.net] has joined #lisp 11:10:44 spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 11:12:06 Legacy system, been running since 1998 or something 11:12:44 -!- photex [uid2006@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pmeiyspyjuzbztkh] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:13:28 m4dnificent [~madnifice@static.146.73.9.176.clients.your-server.de] has joined #lisp 11:13:42 -!- davazp [~user@213.37.200.68.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:13:50 -!- SeanTAllen [uid4855@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ltdmlnbzrzelfvea] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:14:24 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@static.146.73.9.176.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:14:30 schoppenhauer_ [~quassel@uxul.de] has joined #lisp 11:14:48 -!- schoppenhauer [~quassel@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:17:26 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 11:19:27 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:19:36 chr: cool 11:20:26 The system is called K2 and runs at the telecom Telenor in Norway. 11:21:07 cool 11:21:25 chr: for background hobs, see lparallel 11:21:33 http://www.lispworks.com/success-stories/telenor-k2.html 11:21:34 hehe :-) 11:21:43 dim: hobs?? 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Or is X declared special? 13:54:42 X is not special. 13:55:04 Then you... Oh. Probably "just" a WARNING, not an actual error. 13:55:19 I just typed it into emacs and used slime's C-P 13:55:39 SBCL records a certain amount of debugging information with each function, as controlled by the "DEBUG" optimization policy. 13:56:07 The default value for DEBUG is sufficiently low that variable values aren't generally available. 13:56:17 Right - and that's what I'm trying to understand - how the debugging works. 13:56:32 How it works on what level? 13:56:35 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 13:56:49 This is a top-level form. I'll put it in a function and add (declare (optimize (debug 3))) 13:56:52 -!- pnpuff [~LaGrange@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:57:48 Ok so now its: http://pastebin.com/U8DgTVHk 13:57:55 How to use it? What the various knobs and tools are and the effects they have? Or down to the level of how the compiler encodes the information about a function for the debugger? 13:58:14 nyef: How the compiler encodes the information about a function for the debugger. 13:58:45 First I just want to see from the users perspective how much information the debugger gives me. 13:58:55 Odyessus [~odyessus@089144192114.atnat0001.highway.a1.net] has joined #lisp 13:59:04 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.194] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:59:24 adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 13:59:34 Have a look at SYS:SRC;COMPILER;DEBUG-DUMP.LISP for the latter. I'm not too familiar with the other aspects, unfortunately. 13:59:36 I'm implementing a compiler and my compiler isn't handling LET* or LABELS properly yet (in my mind) 14:00:11 How well does it do on the ansi-tests suite? 14:00:38 nyef: Probably poorly, I'm still missing a lot of functions. 14:01:04 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.194] has joined #lisp 14:01:12 On the other hand I have ECL CLOS/AMOP running and I'm working on CONDITIONs 14:01:27 Simply getting the suite to run at all is probably a major accomplishment, actually, and once it IS running then you get some idea of what to work on next. 14:01:41 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:01:53 Right now I'm working on the debugger and the interaction of environments/activation-frames/generated code with the debugger. 14:01:58 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:02:03 It's hard to fix things when you don't have a working debugger. 14:02:43 Heh. I hear that. 14:02:59 At the least, some way to do a post-mortem analysis. 14:03:21 I had a somewhat working debugger and then I broke it when I started implementing CONDITIONs the way they work in CL. 14:03:31 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:03:44 Do you use any debugger with any CL implementation? 14:04:20 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:04:38 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 14:05:57 When I use SLIME/SBCL and evaluate the function (defun bar () (declare (optimize (debug 3))) (let ((x 1)) (break) (print "Hi"))) (bar) 14:06:02 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:06:24 <_schulte_> anyone know off hand what type specializer to use to match both a string and a pathname in a defmethod? 14:06:38 Most of the time, if I end up in a debugger, I just pick a restart. Sometimes I look at a backtrace. In a memorable event, I dumped out the raw memory underlying the control stack and traced though the frames "by hand". 14:06:40 The debugger says there are no locals. 14:06:49 _schulte_: ther is no such class 14:06:50 _schulte_: methods specialize on classes 14:06:54 not on types 14:06:58 so, none 14:07:09 <_schulte_> alright 14:07:12 except T 14:07:14 of course 14:07:20 _schulte_: but you can have two methods 14:07:24 There might not be any locals. X is unused, so might have been as eliminated as a GOTO. 14:07:31 <_schulte_> yea, easy enough 14:07:34 Does anyone use the debugger to inspect locals in SLIME? 14:07:43 drmeister: i use all the time 14:07:46 drmeister: sure 14:08:18 (defun bar () (declare (optimize (debug 3))) (let ((x 1)) (break) (print x))) 14:08:38 "think hard" debugging doesn't always work well, sometimes you have to look up variable values 14:09:00 When the SLIME debugger comes up and I use "t" to inspect local bindings in (bar) it says [No locals] 14:09:10 drmeister: there's no X anymore 14:09:13 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@089144192114.atnat0001.highway.a1.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 14:09:15 it's just (print 1) 14:09:17 _veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:09:17 -!- _veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:09:17 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 14:10:05 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.194] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:10:41 Ok - with (defun bar (y) (declare (optimize (debug 3))) (let ((x (+ 1 y))) (break) (print x))) I can see locals 14:11:18 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:11:45 "4981BC24E000000017001020" that's some instruction 14:12:46 Ok - this one gets to the heart of my question: (defun bar (y) (declare (optimize (debug 3))) (let ((x (+ 1 y))) (let* ((z (break)) (x (+ 10 y))) (print x)))) 14:13:20 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:13:20 When it enters the debugger and I inspect the locals it says that X is 14:13:29 it's unused 14:13:50 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.194] has joined #lisp 14:18:13 paddymahoney [~patrick@24.137.221.230] has joined #lisp 14:19:28 Right, the first X isn't used there, so it gets eliminated. 14:19:52 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 14:23:50 Is there a way to stop SBCL from optimizing out locals? 14:24:37 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:24:50 at least use them 14:25:03 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-203-12.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:25:38 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 14:28:47 isn't there an optimisation quality to prevent named variables from being marked as unused? 14:29:56 why would you care about unused variables in real code? 14:30:33 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:31:38 no clue, but I acknowledge that not everyone debugs my way. 14:32:22 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@dhcp140.dmi.ens.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:32:47 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:34:30 Here's a more informative case: http://pastebin.com/Bn6p8Tte 14:35:21 What's interesting is that the nested LET/LET/LET appear to be coallesced. 14:35:26 -!- enymo [~user@67.137.177.90] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:35:43 coalesced 14:35:51 Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@177.224.215.100] has joined #lisp 14:37:00 well, in that paste, x#1 does have the expected value of 2 14:37:25 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:37:25 z and x don't have values because the bindings haven't been established yet 14:37:27 So at run-time the LET* appears to be represented as a single activation frame and the activation frame is aware of which symbols are bound and which are not yet bound in that activation frame. 14:37:31 and w is unused completely 14:37:37 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@dh207-62-141.xnet.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:38:14 Krystof: I'm trying to intuit how SBCL is representing the LET* internally. 14:38:25 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 14:38:33 It doesn't appear to be transforming them into nested LET's 14:38:34 well, OK, if you like 14:38:50 as a leaf or a tn, depends where you look at 14:38:53 (you can't transform them into nested lets because of declarations, in general) 14:38:54 whitedawg [~whitedawg@122.179.10.205] has joined #lisp 14:39:31 Krystof: Ah - that's an interesting point that I hadn't been aware of. 14:39:50 you can mostly, though. You might find it easier to read the sbcl source code in ir1-transformers to intuit what's going on 14:40:37 src/compiler/ir1-translators.lisp 14:41:13 let* is like &aux, let is a bit like ((lambda (...) declarations body) ...) 14:41:20 I'm implementing activation frames as a structure that contains a pointer to an array of values and another pointer to an array of symbols that are bound to those values. This is not sufficient for LET* because the debugger could be invoked half-way through filling a LET* activation frame. So I need some way of representing which symbols are bound at any point while initializing a LET* activation frame. 14:41:57 Why not fill it with first? 14:42:30 -!- mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Parting is such sweet sorrow...] 14:42:55 kennyd [~kennyd@dh207-62-141.xnet.hr] has joined #lisp 14:43:10 mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 14:44:08 spacebat [spacebat@50.56.189.236] has joined #lisp 14:44:22 -!- attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:44:54 foam: I do that already - but I don't use that information to indicate that the environment should keep looking for a lexical symbol binding. 14:45:37 nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@wsip-68-15-43-240.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 14:45:39 drmeister: you do realise that the point of lexical scoping is that all that information about the shape of the environment is known a compile-time, right? 14:45:49 This is only for the sake of the debugger at runtime, at compile-time the environment has more information to indicate which lexical bindings are active at any moment. 14:46:07 pkhuong: you mean why he keeps the symbols around? 14:46:38 nevermind, I misread. 14:46:41 pkhuong: Compile time is not a problem. I've got that sewn up. I wouldn't have gotten ECL-CLOS (or anything else) to compile/run if I didn't have that figured out. 14:47:17 if you say so. 14:47:27 (* at compile time) 14:47:32 I'm trying to figure out how to efficiently annotate the activation frames so that the debugger can rebuild the information that was available at compile time. 14:49:54 SBCL has issues with this as well. The backtraces in the pastebin show two X bindings - one for the LET* and one for the outer LET scope. When the BREAK is invoked there is only one relevant X binding and that is the value 2. 14:51:14 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:51:49 the second X is not yet initialized 14:51:56 isn't that less lack of annotations and more discarded information? 14:52:56 oh, not-available _inner_ 14:53:57 morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d002e49.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 14:57:26 I guess what I'm wrestling with is how to implement the following statement from the CLHS: "For let*, a variable's scope also includes the remaining initial value forms for subsequent variable bindings." so that at run-time the debugger can provide this behavior 14:58:10 eh? that's not at all what it is about 14:59:41 Yes it is - because of what it implies - the variables scope in a LET* does not include the preceding variable bindings in the LET*. 14:59:50 it says that the just established variable will be available in all subsequent initialization forms of other variables 15:00:07 on the same let* 15:00:08 of 15:00:59 so that (let* ((x 10) (y x)) ...) is possible 15:01:18 i don't see how that would be related to the things you've pasted 15:03:00 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@c-24-143-81-52.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:03:06 At runtime (let ((x 1)) (let* ((y (progn (break) x)) (x 10)) inspecting X in the debugger should produce 1 15:05:05 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 15:05:17 it's constant folded, so it's (let* ((y (progn (break) 1))) ...) 15:05:26 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:05:30 What does the CLHS say about this behavior at runtime - as far as I can tell it says nothing. So an implementer is left to figure it out for themselves. 15:05:55 Right, that example is constant folded but that is an optimization. 15:08:07 i'm not sure what you're saying/asking then 15:08:41 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:09:42 stassats: Despite that I think you helped me reach a deeper understanding. 15:09:45 Thank you. 15:10:14 -!- zorkmoid [c2ed8e14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.237.142.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:13:37 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@dh207-62-141.xnet.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:14:49 -!- __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:15:13 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107-1-159-131-ip-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:16:23 __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:16:58 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:17:29 joast 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I'll see some of you in Madrid, I hope. 16:47:29 -!- rk[fishing] [~rak@cpe-76-189-227-224.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: MOVING TO COLUMBUS!!!] 16:49:20 *easy-iPad* is already there. 16:49:41 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:51:28 _veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:51:28 -!- _veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:51:28 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 16:51:28 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:52:21 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 16:52:37 -!- xrq` is now known as xrq 16:52:55 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-178-004-015-072.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:52:59 -!- rk[local] [~rak@cpe-76-189-227-224.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:55:32 alch___: was ist los? 16:55:41 rme_: woo. leaving shortly here too. 16:55:59 *Xach* joins #eclm for the duration 16:56:33 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:57:03 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 16:57:24 rly [~rly@unaffiliated/rly] has joined #lisp 16:58:40 When I start Emacs, it asks me whether I want to create an additional inferior lisp buffer. 16:59:19 I am using this as a hook when opening a lisp buffer: (unless (slime-connected-p) (save-excursion (slime)))) 17:00:01 I can imagine that there are various circumstances which would make this a bug, and I only got this code off cliki. Is there a way to make it work properly? 17:00:20 why not just (setf slime-auto-connect 'always)? 17:00:47 stassats: how should I start slime itself then? 17:00:55 eh? 17:01:12 stassats: The (slime) starts slime mode, right? 17:01:15 -!- yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:25 no 17:02:41 yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:02:44 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-176-31.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:02:50 geegeesahbahnee [~geegeesah@adsl-ull-221-120.42-151.net24.it] has joined #lisp 17:02:51 -!- yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:02:51 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 17:03:20 -!- rme_ [~rme@50.43.169.68] has quit [Quit: rme_] 17:03:35 stassats: ok, excellent solution. Thanks 17:03:38 Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@177.224.215.100] has joined #lisp 17:03:48 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.189.202] has joined #lisp 17:03:48 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.189.202] has quit [Changing host] 17:03:48 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 17:04:14 it won't necessary start just as you open a file, but on the first try to communicate 17:04:26 Is the cliki being maintained by malicious people? 17:04:29 most of the time, the first thing would be to guess the packages 17:04:43 (which happens right away) 17:04:58 rly: it's actually in the manual http://common-lisp.net/project/slime/doc/html/Auto_002dSLIME.html which is maintained by... nobody 17:05:18 stassats: Ouch! 17:05:20 -!- yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has quit [Client Quit] 17:05:53 namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:06:35 yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:06:46 -!- yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:06:46 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 17:06:57 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:07:43 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Client Quit] 17:09:04 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:09:32 atamagawarui [~user@unaffiliated/dijkstragroupie] has joined #lisp 17:09:43 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@34.Red-81-35-235.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:15:00 gko [gko@2400:8900::f03c:91ff:fe70:e605] has joined #lisp 17:16:11 patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 17:16:50 kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 17:18:01 -!- Vicfred [~anon@187.206.68.43] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:19:27 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:20:39 nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@wsip-68-15-43-240.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 17:21:04 bitonic [~user@80-254-69-9.dynamic.monzoon.net] has joined #lisp 17:24:01 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:24:22 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-161-59.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 17:24:44 hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@46.233.200.145] has joined #lisp 17:26:26 ehu [~ehu@109.33.130.95] has joined #lisp 17:26:47 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.250.89] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:26:59 CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@ucrwpa1-fs-36-230.bulk.ucr.edu] has joined #lisp 17:31:22 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:33:37 Corvidium [~cosman246@97-113-0-204.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:34:32 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:36:31 -!- geegeesahbahnee [~geegeesah@adsl-ull-221-120.42-151.net24.it] has quit [Quit: KVIrc KVIrc Equilibrium 4.1.3, revision: 5988, sources date: 20110830, built on: 2011-12-05 12:43:31 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:38:07 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:38:24 ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has joined #lisp 17:38:41 -!- easy-iPad [~easyipad@61.Red-2-137-44.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Outta here?] 17:38:47 -!- ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has quit [Client Quit] 17:41:08 ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has joined #lisp 17:43:33 Kenjin [~kenjin@bl19-251-143.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 17:43:33 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:44:58 Hi 17:47:15 killsto [~killian@ip70-179-169-110.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #lisp 17:49:03 hello 17:51:28 JohnThePreacher [~JohnThePr@c-66-30-162-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:51:33 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:51:36 Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand! 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How do I create a 2d rotation matrix? 18:03:22 -!- xan_ [~xan@fanzine.igalia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:03:28 pnpuff [~LaGrange@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:04:35 puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:05:13 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 18:06:05 -!- pnpuff [~LaGrange@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 18:07:26 -!- namtsui` [~user@c-76-21-121-60.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:08:45 hiato [~hiato@196-215-175-165.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:08:55 przl [~przlrkt@p5B298989.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:09:33 nymo [~user@67.137.177.90] has joined #lisp 18:10:10 -!- killsto [~killian@ip70-179-169-110.fv.ks.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:11:55 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13:53 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:16:20 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:17:13 -!- bitonic [~user@80-254-69-9.dynamic.monzoon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:18:30 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:20:03 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B298989.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:21:01 -!- m4dnificent is now known as madnificent 18:22:34 killsto [~killian@ip70-179-169-110.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #lisp 18:23:56 pnpu`ff [~LaGrange@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:25:20 -!- pnpu`ff is now known as pnpuff 18:26:41 victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has joined #lisp 18:27:50 namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:28:42 -!- milosn_ is now known as milosn 18:29:33 imu96 [~imran@91.140.176.78] has joined #lisp 18:29:53 clynbech [~clynbech@0133300649.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #lisp 18:29:54 Bike_ [~Glossina@75-164-170-20.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:30:04 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:30:55 -!- fogus|away [~fogus@freedom.d-a-s.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:31:22 -!- Bike [~Glossina@174-25-51-29.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:32:12 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 18:32:23 pnpuff_ [~LaGrange@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:32:46 -!- pnpuff_ [~LaGrange@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Client Quit] 18:32:57 Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@p549C511B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:35:06 -!- pnpuff [~LaGrange@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:36:13 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 18:36:18 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: normanrichards] 18:36:38 pierpa`` [~user@host126-61-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:37:22 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:37:56 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d002e49.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:38:53 -!- pierpa [~user@host91-220-dynamic.47-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:39:07 -!- imu96 [~imran@91.140.176.78] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:39:25 -!- pierpa` [~user@host91-220-dynamic.47-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:39:39 imu96 [~imran@91.140.176.78] has joined #lisp 18:39:55 pnpuff [~LaGrange@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:41:01 -!- imu96 [~imran@91.140.176.78] has quit [Client Quit] 18:41:22 -!- ehu [~ehu@109.33.130.95] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:41:42 ehu [~ehu@109.33.130.95] has joined #lisp 18:43:04 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:43:36 jangle [~jimmy1984@dsl-162.7-238.gtb.net] has joined #lisp 18:45:10 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:48:20 flip214: ever get an answer on your l-math question? 18:48:42 PuercoPop [~user@cpe-24-193-207-225.si.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:48:56 minion: please tell patrickwonders about logs 18:48:56 patrickwonders: please see logs: #lisp logs are available at http://ccl.clozure.com/irc-logs/lisp/ (since 2008-09) and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/lisp/ (since 2000) 18:49:15 stassats: thanks... 18:51:08 -!- aftershave [~textual@h-123-171-229.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 18:51:30 aftershave [~textual@h-123-171-229.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 18:51:35 flip214: (let ((c (cos angle)) (s (sin angle))) (lm:make-matrix 2 2 :initial-elements (list c s (- s) c))) ; angle in radians 18:52:01 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #lisp 18:52:18 patrickwonders: yeah, that's what I did. 18:52:21 thanks all the same. 18:52:46 wondering that there's no (lm:* VECTOR DOUBLE), or (lm:* MATRIX DOUBLE), or anything like that 18:52:57 perhaps I picked the wrong library. 18:54:27 there is a math formula, you can use two vectors to build the matrix 18:54:33 -!- mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Parting is such sweet sorrow...] 18:54:46 Works for me: (lm:* 3.0d0 (lm:vector 1.0d0 1.0d0 2.0d0)) 18:55:20 normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-137-144-190.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 18:55:46 Ahh you wanted vector times scalar not scalar times vector.... 18:56:00 Actually, both work for me. 18:56:12 patrickwonders: l-math from quicklisp? 18:56:35 Attempted to perform an unsupported operation using operator L-MATH:*. 18:56:36 The arguments are of type L-MATH:MATRIX and DOUBLE-FLOAT. 18:57:00 -!- alch___ [~michael@em117-55-68-144.emobile.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: alch___] 18:57:09 ok, for vectors it works. 18:57:28 Gotcha yep and doesn't work for matrices. Interesting. 18:59:54 -!- blackwol` is now known as blackwolf 19:00:48 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:02:22 -!- clynbech [~clynbech@0133300649.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 19:03:13 Discovered a "fun" interaction today. If you're editing a source block with org-mode, and try to comment out a form with #+(or), org-mode likes to insert a comma at the start of the line... 19:03:26 Needless to say, I was not amused. 19:04:29 nyef: is org-mode confused because of its own option syntax? 19:05:51 That's what I figure, yes. 19:06:15 The obnoxious bit is that it should be able to code the exception out-of-band for the source block. 19:07:38 -!- PuercoPop [~user@cpe-24-193-207-225.si.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:07:41 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:10:04 -!- pnpuff [~LaGrange@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 19:10:58 -!- hiato [~hiato@196-215-175-165.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:12:56 hiato [~hiato@196-215-175-165.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:14:01 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:15:04 LiamH [~none@pool-173-48-164-128.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:15:59 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:16:01 hope there's an interesting mocl announcement soon... 19:17:26 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:18:39 pyx [~pyx@24.212.148.106] has joined #lisp 19:18:46 -!- pyx [~pyx@24.212.148.106] has quit [Client Quit] 19:20:05 nyef: Is that true only of #+(or) or generally of any use of #+? I would have guessed the latter. 19:20:17 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-45-240.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22:31 alch___ [~michael@em117-55-68-144.emobile.ad.jp] has joined #lisp 19:23:58 I haven't really dug any deeper, and just found the other end of my form, inserted a newline, marked off the region, and used M-; 19:26:17 -!- alch___ [~michael@em117-55-68-144.emobile.ad.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 19:26:38 -!- jangle [~jimmy1984@dsl-162.7-238.gtb.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:27:46 TEST AL, [#x200FF000] ; safepoint looks nicer 19:28:17 nyef: I'm not /entirely/ surprised. I don't know of any way to introduce new syntax into org. What you would need is something like the trick LaTeX uses for verbatim.... 19:28:51 should have gone to #sbcl 19:29:08 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:29:24 actually, a little surprised it doesn't just slurp everything till the matching #+END_SRC..., now that I think of it. Didn't know babel allowed eruptions of org into the middle of source code blocks. 19:29:27 Possibly a bug. 19:30:16 clynbech [~clynbech@0133300649.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #lisp 19:31:27 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 19:32:57 szkrabik [~szkrabik@37.31.179.96.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has joined #lisp 19:32:58 -!- szkrabik [~szkrabik@37.31.179.96.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:34:00 PuercoPop [~user@cpe-24-193-207-225.si.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:34:37 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:34:48 -!- billitch [~billitch@bastille.ma3.tv] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:35:28 billitch [~billitch@bastille.ma3.tv] has joined #lisp 19:38:12 Ragnaroek_ [~chatzilla@p549C531E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:39:22 -!- ehu [~ehu@109.33.130.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:40:06 Ragnaroek__ [~chatzilla@p549C5A9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:40:24 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@p549C511B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:40:29 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:40:42 -!- Ragnaroek__ is now known as Ragnaroek 19:40:56 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 19:41:36 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.148.136] has joined #lisp 19:42:51 Ragnaroek__ [~chatzilla@p549C4666.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:43:42 -!- Ragnaroek_ [~chatzilla@p549C531E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:43:50 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-137-144-190.mycingular.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:45:53 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@p549C5A9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:46:01 -!- Ragnaroek__ is now known as Ragnaroek 19:48:02 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 19:48:41 -!- toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49:20 -!- clynbech [~clynbech@0133300649.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 19:50:41 MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-108-38-175-139.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:56:46 nug700 [~nug700@184-98-124-129.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:58:58 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:59:13 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-48-164-128.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:02:05 ehu [~ehu@109.34.192.60] has joined #lisp 20:04:30 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20:04:49 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 20:05:51 AeroNoti1 [~xeno@abog102.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:07:43 jlongster [~user@50-201-41-253-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 20:08:28 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@aboq230.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:13:28 -!- _d3f [~gnu@ip-static-94-242-252-66.as5577.net] has quit [Quit: !!!!!!!!] 20:14:29 -!- dotemacs_ [uid801@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kmernvmuxegdyoma] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20:15:02 -!- ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:20:45 Hey guys, so how would I do something to the effect of the following: (apply #'(aref array) xs) where xs is a list of numbers and array is, well, an array. So I know there's no partial application, and to that end how do I fill in just that one argument of aref? Should I be doing (apply #'aref (cons array coords))? What about in general? 20:20:47 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:21:08 hiato: (apply #'aref array xs) 20:21:32 pkhuong: oh, that's pretty. Cool, ta 20:22:06 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 20:22:14 so what's apply actually doing there? xs = '(foo bar baz) and array is an array, how does this get translated to (aref array foo bar baz)? 20:22:36 does apply flatten all lists it gets? 20:23:10 ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has joined #lisp 20:25:14 it doesn't 20:25:44 szkrabik [~szkrabik@37.31.179.96.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has joined #lisp 20:26:01 clhs apply 20:26:01 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_apply.htm 20:26:06 francogrex [~user@91.179.199.88] has joined #lisp 20:26:12 clhs glossary/spreadable argument list designator 20:26:13 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/26_glo_s.htm#spreadable_argument_list_designator 20:26:52 seangrove [~user@208.80.69.42] has joined #lisp 20:27:06 apply expects it's last arg to be of type list 20:27:33 -!- francogrex [~user@91.179.199.88] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:27:46 ah, it's this weird spreadable stuff that I was misunderstanding 20:28:02 (apply #'+ (list ....)), (apply #'blah non-list non-list list) 20:28:15 right, well that's bloody handy 20:28:19 (apply #'blah non-list non-list ......list) 20:28:46 the former don't strictly have to be lists, but the last one is a must 20:28:54 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 20:29:45 "have to be", even if they are lists, it doesn't matter, they are used as list arguments 20:32:19 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 20:32:31 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@97-113-0-204.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:33:09 -!- strobegen [~strobegen@64.120.223.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:34:53 strz [~strobegen@64.120.223.138] has joined #lisp 20:34:54 -!- strz is now known as strobegen 20:35:27 -!- Zhivago [~lys@unaffiliated/zhivago] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:37:43 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Excess Flood] 20:38:44 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] 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If nil can be an element, then it returns two values. 22:24:56 i know abcl uses it for java sequence things, so there's certainly precedent for whatever you're doing. 22:25:37 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-48-164-128.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:25:40 -!- axion [~axion@lngdnd-ai02-74-214-211-129.utma.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:25:52 Bike: Yep, that reference is what you are referring to - I'll read it - thanks. 22:26:21 axion [~axion@lngdnd-ai02-74-214-211-129.utma.com] has joined #lisp 22:26:22 pjb: That would work too - and hide the iterators - which I wasn't happy about exposing. 22:26:28 -!- statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-229-140.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:29:48 -!- hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@46.233.200.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:33:01 -!- zickzackv [~faot@g225063205.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:33:39 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.104.76] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34:06 BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-034-009.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:35:24 LiamH [~none@pool-173-48-164-128.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:35:45 -!- Corvidiu1 [~cosman246@D-69-91-156-75.dhcp4.washington.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:35:45 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 22:36:02 -!- axion [~axion@lngdnd-ai02-74-214-211-129.utma.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:44:02 nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 22:44:03 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-48-164-128.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:45:09 pumpkin360 [~main@aeom59.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 22:45:15 heloo 22:45:18 *hello 22:45:48 Can we use an expression in the place of the operator in CL ? 22:46:00 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:46:06 not unless it's a lambda expression. 22:46:41 but if it is we can? So ((lambda (x y) (+ x y)) 1 2) 22:46:49 yeah, that's fine. 22:47:05 but if would not work ? 22:47:12 What? 22:48:00 ((if (nice-weather) + -) 1 2) 22:48:02 guiambros [~guiambros@z65-50-88-217.ips.direcpath.com] has joined #lisp 22:48:03 guiambros_ [~guiambros@z65-50-88-217.ips.direcpath.com] has joined #lisp 22:48:04 would not? 22:48:48 zeroish [~zeroish@135.207.174.50] has joined #lisp 22:48:55 -!- victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has quit [Quit: Leaving IRC - dircproxy 1.2.0] 22:49:12 nope. 22:49:21 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 22:49:29 you'd do (funcall (if (nice-weather) #'+ #'-) 1 2) 22:49:49 I gues I will just stick with scheme 22:49:50 -!- kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has quit [] 22:49:56 ok. bye. 22:50:03 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-241-83-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:50:07 thanks :) 22:50:33 -!- pumpkin360 [~main@aeom59.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #lisp 22:56:27 -!- Lis 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