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Hans, run! It's the lhurgoyf!] 07:35:41 Gooder`` [~user@218.69.12.194] has joined #lisp 07:36:29 przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has joined #lisp 07:38:54 hi pnpuff 07:39:52 -!- Gooder` [~user@93.155.200.192.client.dyn.strong-in144.as13926.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:41:01 mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-gluboqxsatxuvwtu] has joined #lisp 07:41:51 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 07:42:09 Hello. I am looking for a scheme development environment that will run on Debian 7. I have tried to build GNU/MIT Scheme but encounter problems beyond my understanding. any recommendations? 07:42:51 enitativity, try #scheme 07:42:53 people in the #scheme channel are more likely to know 07:43:01 ah, ty. 07:43:17 well since im here. Is there a better dialect to learn as a newbie? 07:43:24 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:44:53 entitativity: no 07:45:02 entitativity: learn one thing, and learn it well... whatever it is. 07:45:19 entitativity: you could try http://www.mohiji.org/2011/01/modern-common-lisp-on-linux/ to see whether you can get going with cl better 07:46:04 thank you. Ive found that working hard at one thing, and having other things to parallel and compare help me 07:46:43 learning python and C at once oddly show many similarities. not that either of those are anything like lisp :) 07:47:22 entitativity: strange, python and lisp aer far more similar than C and python.. 07:47:32 but this isn't on topic here.. 07:48:17 noted. 07:48:28 how does one get added to the planet.lisp.org feed? thought i might start writing lispy stuff.. 07:49:47 jewel [~jewel@105-237-24-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:51:31 zorkmoid: you start to write, then you get added if your content is relevant 07:51:38 check 07:51:43 -!- d11wtq [~chris@59.167.38.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:52:29 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 07:58:44 http://yinwang0.wordpress.com/2012/01/03/ydiff/ 07:58:45 cool 08:00:51 Bacteria [~Bacteria@dyn-130-194-155-37.its.monash.edu.au] has joined #lisp 08:00:55 *rszeno* 'refactor detection' sound weird for me 08:09:05 d11wtq [~chris@59.167.38.137] has joined #lisp 08:10:05 yeah, i just liked the visual representation of sexps 08:12:11 probably is a good over all, diff is a pain with code 08:12:25 -!- ttm is now known as The_third_man 08:15:14 rszeno: i think diff is good for stuff that is "line by line" changes, as it was designed... this works quite well for C i think... lisp code spans multiple lines, and renaming a let to a when changes quite alot of lines due to indentation.. 08:16:07 ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-151-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 08:16:43 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:17:18 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-229-140.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 08:17:20 przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has joined #lisp 08:17:27 identation is not a problem, are flags for diffs to ignore blank, chars and lines 08:17:51 i like using wdiff, somehow here once tipped me about that .. 08:18:14 balle [~basti@pulsar.inf.ethz.ch] has joined #lisp 08:18:25 i was thinking more to moving parts of code from one part to of another of the file 08:21:54 never used wdiff usualy diff, with -E, -b, -w when i need to avoid identation and often with -ruN to compare source in different directories 08:22:20 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@2a02:6b8:0:101:2948:fa7b:c82e:d951] has joined #lisp 08:23:17 but both are useful, diff and this one, ydiff, :) 08:23:19 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d856fa6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:23:37 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:23:57 hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 08:24:36 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 08:25:45 pnpuff_ [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 08:26:27 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d856fa6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 08:26:32 -!- pnpuff [~C6248@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: Bye.] 08:27:04 -!- pnpuff_ is now known as pnpuff- 08:27:19 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:27:54 rudi_ [~rudi@1x-193-157-196-114.uio.no] has joined #lisp 08:28:15 -!- rudi_ [~rudi@1x-193-157-196-114.uio.no] has quit [Client Quit] 08:28:36 rudi_ [~rudi@1x-193-157-196-114.uio.no] has joined #lisp 08:29:07 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 08:29:22 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:29:23 -!- kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has quit [] 08:29:26 -!- rudi_ is now known as rudi 08:29:54 hkBst__ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 08:29:58 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:30:18 -!- d11wtq [~chris@59.167.38.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:30:37 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:32:15 przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has joined #lisp 08:35:10 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@dyn-130-194-155-37.its.monash.edu.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:38:51 -!- nug700 [~nug700@184-98-123-108.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 08:39:16 nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-194-187.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 08:40:49 dandellion_yello [~nobody@5.34.28.165] has joined #lisp 08:41:26 Hello #lisp 08:41:34 I have ql:quickload "not working" on a new system: http://paste.lisp.org/display/137336 08:41:44 hello dandellion_yello 08:42:17 pnpuff-: why did you type ctrl-c? 08:42:19 I am having difficulty interpreting a definition. It is not exactly lisp but more connected to type theory and lambda calculus. 08:42:55 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:43:52 H4ns: to send a sigint to a "not responding" process 08:44:09 pnpuff-: so you have a network connectivity problem 08:45:13 H4ns: no, just downloaded on the same sistem slime via cvs.. so is not a network problem 08:45:39 dandellion_yello, ask and if somebody know the answer probably will answer 08:46:24 here it is : http://paste.ubuntu.com/5706165 08:46:33 pnpuff-: slime cvs and quicklisp are hosted on different servers 08:46:40 shoot 08:46:42 -!- alch___ [~michael@pb6abea75.tokyff01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: alch___] 08:46:45 dandellion_yello: THIS API HAS BEEN DISABLED. Please use Pastebin's new API. http://pastebin.com/api 08:47:56 rszeno, phadthai thank you much for referring me to #scheme. I was able to resolve my issues and can now begin to learn the language! :) 08:48:01 dandellion_yello: (i,e. link doesn't work= 08:48:04 same here 08:48:16 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:48:17 H4ns: intr = ^C; 08:48:33 pnpuff-: no really? 08:48:43 http://paste.ubuntu.com/5706171/ 08:48:51 this time I did it right 08:48:58 entitativity, look into apt and dpkg documentation, is simple too build package on debian 08:49:06 -!- arrsim [~user@mail.fitness2live.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:49:34 pnpuff-: just cause you can download from the slime cvs does not mean that you can access the quicklisp site, they are two different machines... maybe you have some connectivity problems. 08:49:43 rszeno there was a bug in the source files that was causing things to not configure and build correctly 08:49:50 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:50:15 H4ns: why really? 08:50:19 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.161.133.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:50:32 did you get sources with apt-get source mit-scheme ? 08:50:46 yes i did 08:50:55 entitativity: you're welcome; btw, if you don't already know it you might also want to look at SICP (now-free book and lectures on general CS using Scheme) 08:51:01 sz0 [~user@89.145.186.242] has joined #lisp 08:51:12 anyway what kind of network problem if ping works? 08:51:20 yes phadthai that book is why i am getting it up and running 08:51:27 entitativity: nice 08:51:27 -!- sz0 [~user@89.145.186.242] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:51:34 sz0 [~user@89.145.186.242] has joined #lisp 08:51:37 ck_ [~ck@dslb-094-219-151-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 08:51:55 pnpuff-: you understand that there are many servers in the internet and that if one server is reachable, another one can be down? 08:52:04 ok, i thought is a config problem, usualy dpkg-buildpackages is working 08:52:35 pnpuff-: also, have you tried a different CL implementation? 08:52:50 rszeno actually my mistake, scheme wasnt found on apt-get install in wheezy 08:53:05 i had to download the tar sources from their site 08:53:24 jdz: I have only installed clisp on my sistem 08:53:25 -!- ggherdov [uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ivjpvuhwrpfxrgjz] has quit [Changing host] 08:53:26 ggherdov [uid11402@unaffiliated/ggherdov] has joined #lisp 08:53:26 -!- ggherdov [uid11402@unaffiliated/ggherdov] has quit [Changing host] 08:53:26 ggherdov [uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ivjpvuhwrpfxrgjz] has joined #lisp 08:53:28 for arch 64 at least. 08:53:40 pnpuff-: ping uses icmp as a protocol, quicklisp i think uses http. 08:54:08 entitativity: it's not really on topic here, but in case it matters, I had trouble building the official mit-scheme distribution which failed to bootstrap properly here, but the standard C archive built fine (I tried to later on use that one to bootstrap the scheme one, but that failed as well somewhere) 08:54:53 -!- jdz [~jdz@85.254.212.34] has quit [Quit: Byebye.] 08:55:17 entitativity: (in case you really want mit-scheme with its embedded emacs-like editor they used for the lectures, and are willing to build it yourself if not already available as a binary package) 08:55:19 phadthai i couldnt even build the C version until this point >.< but it was a deeper issue with the libraries included in my OS distro. 08:55:28 ah ok 08:56:00 I actually managed to get it all up and running. but thank you friend. everyone has been so helpful 08:56:07 francogrex [franco@grex.cyberspace.org] has joined #lisp 08:56:09 great 08:56:36 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:57:01 zorkmoid: so what I have to do to download lisp libraries via quicklisp? 08:58:51 jdz [~jdz@85.254.212.34] has joined #lisp 08:59:02 please take a look at this: http://paste.lisp.org/display/137337 08:59:07 pnpuff-: i do not know, i don't use quicklisp. 08:59:16 how can I get time differences in milliseconds? 08:59:26 -!- hkBst__ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:59:30 cnl [~pony@ppp-31-44-49-65.in-tel.ru] has joined #lisp 08:59:32 francogrex: you do know that you have the TIME function in CL? 09:01:08 -!- naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 09:01:08 francogrex: also, look at GET-INTERNAL-REAL-TIME and INTERNAL-TIME-UNITS-PER-SECOND 09:01:10 yes but not using that function I want to make my own. TIME outputs more than needed 09:01:28 naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has joined #lisp 09:02:02 przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has joined #lisp 09:02:07 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:02:25 alch___ [~michael@pb6abea75.tokyff01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 09:03:25 jdz: ok that's it then. thanks 09:04:12 dandellion_yello: chances are higher to get an answer from http://cstheory.stackexchange.com/ 09:04:47 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 09:05:03 gensym: you have to register there, f-that. 09:07:14 zorkmoid: thanks for the suggestion ! 09:08:24 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:08:43 pnpuff-: what suggestion? 09:09:13 zorkmoid: thanks for the help. 09:10:17 hkBst__ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 09:10:31 francogrex: sbcl has some sb-ext function that gives you times in milliseconds. 09:10:55 prxq: internal-time-units-per-second is 1000 in SBCL 09:11:05 no need for internal functions 09:11:22 it is 1000000 on ccl-64, though 09:11:26 at least on linux 09:13:40 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:16:04 leoc [~leoc.git@p5480A412.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 09:16:14 so 1/1000000 sec 09:16:54 yes, 1 sec 09:17:04 -!- k-stz [~user@HSI-KBW-095-208-250-185.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:17:35 s/sec/s/ 09:18:09 second (symbol:s) 09:18:18 I have it as 1000, it is enough for me 09:19:20 francogrex, jdz: sb-ext:get-time-of-day. At least according to docs it returns microseconds 09:19:42 ok alsoo good 09:19:57 bitonic [~user@97e105e8.skybroadband.com] has joined #lisp 09:20:04 hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 09:20:04 -!- hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 09:20:04 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 09:20:37 francogrex: http://cl-cookbook.sourceforge.net/dates_and_times.html 09:20:44 -!- hkBst__ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:22:58 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:22:58 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@2a02:6b8:0:101:2948:fa7b:c82e:d951] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:23:05 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-110-168-11-25.revip5.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 09:23:23 fenton [~fenton@ppp-110-168-11-25.revip5.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 09:24:38 -!- dandellion_yello [~nobody@5.34.28.165] has quit [] 09:24:40 -!- Adlai` [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:26:08 LOCAL-TIME has code that encapsulates this, to allow you to get high resolution time on most platforms using a unified API 09:26:21 my timing macro: http://paste.lisp.org/display/137338 (francogrex) 09:26:55 -!- billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:27:29 Try this: (local-time:nsec-of (local-time:now)) 09:28:21 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:28:32 -!- zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:28:35 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 09:32:04 -!- sz0 [~user@89.145.186.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:33:11 ogamita [~user@77.104.4.54] has joined #lisp 09:34:25 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:34:56 -!- ck_ [~ck@dslb-094-219-151-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:35:03 przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has joined #lisp 09:35:05 With clisp 2.49 (on ubuntu), when I (quicklisp-quickstart:install), after downloading setup.lisp, I get a "*** - Invoke-RESTART: No restart named MUFFLE-WARNING is visible." error. 09:35:20 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 09:38:32 zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 09:44:10 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:44:15 gavilan2 [~Gavilan2@cpe-198.144.156.141.ca.yorkinet.com] has joined #lisp 09:45:49 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:47:04 here "CLISP" "2.48 (2009-07-28) (built 3578626375) (memory 3578626574)" 09:47:31 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:49:13 -!- entitativity [~entity@c-50-136-180-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:49:21 sz0 [~user@89.145.186.242] has joined #lisp 09:51:19 Hello! Does anyone know any kind library or framework for javascript that supplies a metamodel for classes similar to CLOS metamodel? 09:52:55 If I have (defclass B (A)..) and (defclass C (B)...) how do I define D (defclass D (C)..) based on C but where A is Z (defclass Z (A)...) for D if at all possible. 09:52:58 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@CPE-121-218-78-1.lnse4.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 09:53:52 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@dhcp-219-68-wifi.yandex.net] has joined #lisp 09:54:28 y5h [~textual@116.36.42.92] has joined #lisp 09:55:41 Harag: Well, you cannot change the fact that C inherits from B and B inherits from A when D inherits from C. But D can ALSO inherit from Z, which can indeed inherit from A. 09:55:57 So: (defclass Z (A) ...) (defclass D (C Z) ...) 10:04:47 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@dhcp-219-68-wifi.yandex.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:04:49 svetlyak40wt_ [~svetlyak4@2a02:6b8:0:40c:7de3:473a:46c7:eed0] has joined #lisp 10:05:13 -!- schoppenhauer [~quassel@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:05:20 schoppenhauer [~quassel@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 10:06:55 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:07:10 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 10:07:30 ogamita: yeah I tried that but Z's methods don't get called only A's methods, maybe I am not specializing the methods correctly... *sigh* ... I will have another try later ... Thanx 10:08:20 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:08:42 Harag: are those auxiliary methods, or primary methods you want to be called? 10:10:08 And do you call (call-next-method) in your methods? 10:10:48 primary, the main method is at C and it must just call the right suplimentory methods based type so that I don't have to duplicate the code for each inheritence of C 10:11:29 d11wtq [~chris@124-148-163-108.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 10:11:30 ogomita: i do call (call-next-method) in the main method of C 10:11:44 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:12:29 Harag: how exactly is C related to Z? 10:14:38 jdz: Add 23... 10:14:54 basically C must use methods (internal initialization stuff) specialized on Z in stead of A which Z is a specialization of 10:15:22 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:15:48 I will cut down the code to a manageable example, a bit later and then ask again if I am still stuck, got to run to a meeting now, thanx. 10:16:56 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 10:19:02 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 10:19:54 spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 10:21:51 -!- alch___ [~michael@pb6abea75.tokyff01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: alch___] 10:21:52 przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has joined #lisp 10:22:16 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@41-135-197-102.dsl.mweb.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:23:20 -!- theos is now known as Guest42699 10:23:46 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 10:25:41 -!- Guest42699 [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:28:17 I'm so tired I almost answered to WJ 10:28:32 -!- francogrex [franco@grex.cyberspace.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:29:28 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 10:29:28 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 10:29:28 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 10:31:53 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:32:27 knob [~knob@76.76.202.244] has joined #lisp 10:33:57 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:35:55 ryoshu [~kamil@unaffiliated/ryoshu] has joined #lisp 10:36:13 hello! I'm reading an old Lisp book, there is an example: (define pi 3.14) 10:36:14 Gavilan3 [~Gavilan2@198.144.156.122] has joined #lisp 10:36:25 And it's invalid in ECL 10:36:29 it is probably working with scheme 10:36:33 what is the old lisp book? 10:36:47 I guess you would go with (/ 22 7) nowadays? 10:36:54 Jurkiewicz from 1990 10:36:54 -!- gavilan2 [~Gavilan2@cpe-198.144.156.141.ca.yorkinet.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:37:08 what is the CL equivalent? set, setq,setl? 10:37:21 in this case, probably defconstant 10:37:25 though pi is usually already defined 10:38:00 (defconstant pi 3.15) I will try it, thanks 10:39:07 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@CPE-121-218-78-1.lnse4.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:39:13 dim: how is (/ 22 7) better than just 3.1415 ? 10:39:29 jdz: don't ask me, I have no idea 10:40:01 i just don't understand why you even brought it up 10:40:56 some lisps have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_data_type 10:40:58 is not having had a sleep in the last 36 hours (didn't manage to sleep in that plane) an acceptable circumstance? 10:41:09 the only reason I can see :) 10:41:26 hehe 10:41:43 ehu [~ehu@109.34.123.220] has joined #lisp 10:41:43 or maybe in some cases (/ 22 7) is enough 10:42:20 ok, I will try (defconstant pi_dim (/22 7)) 10:43:20 then (/ 355 113) would be better 10:43:31 pi_jdz :) 10:43:46 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approximations_of_%CF%80 10:44:32 ryoshu is a matter of values, after evaluation of (/ 22 7) you get a value, closer to pi but not as closer as 3.1415 or 3.14.15926 or whatever precision you want, is a detail 10:45:30 rszeno, yes I know, just trying out defconst slighty more advanced then a constant number :) 10:45:33 thanks! 10:46:06 ryoshu: what is the name of this book? 10:46:17 ryoshu: it sounds like if it is a scheme book, and not common lisp... 10:46:26 then you can compute pi using series 10:46:41 'Jezyk programowania LISP', and right it's focused a little bit at SCHEMA 10:47:22 is confusing imo 10:47:26 ryoshu: by Jurkiewicz? 10:47:33 zorkmoid, yes 10:47:38 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:49:34 ryoshu, maybe is not for learning basics 10:49:50 -!- d11wtq [~chris@124-148-163-108.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:50:33 and mixing scheme with lisp is confusing when you can't make the difference 10:50:46 yeah.. 10:51:45 no worries! 10:52:36 learning something wrong could be hard to forget, :) 10:53:43 entitativity [~entity@c-50-136-180-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:54:10 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 10:54:14 -!- ehu [~ehu@109.34.123.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:54:32 rszeno, thank you 10:54:57 welcome, :) 10:58:29 wow ... 5 sig figs! 10:58:50 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 11:01:37 zeroish [~zeroish@135.207.174.50] has joined #lisp 11:02:20 Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-136-120.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:02:36 ...anyway the previous difficulty to dwnload libraries was due to the lack of asdf, so was not a quicklisp or a net issue at all! 11:02:48 -!- zeroish [~zeroish@135.207.174.50] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:03:11 zeroish [~zeroish@135.207.174.50] has joined #lisp 11:03:24 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 11:03:28 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:04:37 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:07:50 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:08:14 ryoshu: you should be able to use #.(/ 355 113) as the value 11:10:29 or (format nil "~,4f" (+ (sqrt (/ 9 5)) (/ 9 5))) 11:10:35 -!- j`ey [~joey@unaffiliated/jey/x-00002] has left #lisp 11:11:49 dim: your approximation is more accurate 11:12:18 dim, thanks you solved my problem :) 11:12:51 btw, when I'm trying (print my_const) it's showing 22/7 or 355/113, how to force to evaluate it? 11:12:54 maybe #.(float (/ 355 113)) if you want to avoid rationals 11:14:36 ryoshu: (format nil "~,2f" (/ 22 7)) 11:16:08 xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-mocdayjvqxuqcief] has joined #lisp 11:19:02 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-194-187.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:19:34 pnpuff- it works, thanks! bye! 11:19:37 -!- ryoshu [~kamil@unaffiliated/ryoshu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:23:24 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 11:23:37 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:25:53 -!- phil_ [~phil@c-24-91-234-244.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:27:10 11:29:20 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:30:04 alch___ [~michael@EM117-55-68-24.emobile.ad.jp] has joined #lisp 11:30:11 stardiviner [~quassel@122.236.243.87] has joined #lisp 11:34:28 -!- SrPx [~SrPx@177.133.252.42] has quit [Quit: SrPx] 11:35:37 przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has joined #lisp 11:39:39 -!- gmcastil [~user@75-166-221-214.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:41:06 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 11:41:16 -!- Amadiro [jonathri@dalvik.ping.uio.no] has quit [Excess Flood] 11:42:04 imu96 [~imran@91.140.176.78] has joined #lisp 11:42:42 phil_ [~phil@c-24-91-234-244.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:43:36 -!- imu96 [~imran@91.140.176.78] has quit [Client Quit] 11:43:54 -!- alch___ [~michael@EM117-55-68-24.emobile.ad.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:44:01 primenum [~primenum@c-71-231-57-77.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:44:06 alch___ [~michael@209.222.18.75] has joined #lisp 11:46:37 Amadiro [jonathri@dalvik.ping.uio.no] has joined #lisp 11:49:22 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@2a02:6b8:0:40c:d55f:b0b8:1cfd:648b] has joined #lisp 11:49:53 pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 11:52:19 -!- svetlyak40wt_ [~svetlyak4@2a02:6b8:0:40c:7de3:473a:46c7:eed0] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:53:11 -!- pnpuff- [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:54:45 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 11:54:52 -!- pnpuff is now known as pnpuff- 11:56:36 -!- pnpuff- [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:57:47 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@2a02:6b8:0:40c:d55f:b0b8:1cfd:648b] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:59:22 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 12:01:41 mwnaylor [~mwnaylor@altoona-69-72-75-153.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net] has joined #lisp 12:02:48 -!- sz0 [~user@89.145.186.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:04:01 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:06:27 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:10:28 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@dhcp175-156-red3.yandex.net] has joined #lisp 12:14:14 nilsi [~nilsi@student-244-143.eduroam.uu.se] has joined #lisp 12:14:16 ejbs [~user@h-138-224.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 12:20:00 -!- y5h [~textual@116.36.42.92] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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13:17:27 what do you mean by that? 13:18:56 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-189-86.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:19:15 I want to output bytes as audio samples and pipe them into sox. 13:19:28 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 13:19:30 Do I obligatory have to make a string out of them? 13:19:39 clhs ldb 13:19:39 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_ldb.htm 13:19:58 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-47-236.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:21:13 So string is the only thing that goes through write? 13:21:34 (let ((s #x112233)) (list (ldb (byte 8 16) s) (ldb (byte 8 8) s) (ldb (byte 8 0) s))) 13:21:51 and use write-byte 13:22:06 or, if you have your data in a vector, write-sequence 13:23:06 dbh [~dbh@182.55.3.19] has joined #lisp 13:23:59 nice, thanks 13:26:46 fenton1 [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 13:26:53 -!- ejbs [~user@h-138-224.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:27:07 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 13:30:04 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d856fa6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:30:36 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-110-168-11-25.revip5.asianet.co.th] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:31:45 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 13:33:56 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 13:34:02 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d856fa6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 13:34:16 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 13:39:31 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@student-244-143.eduroam.uu.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:41:25 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:41:33 -!- fenton1 [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 13:41:57 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 13:42:33 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:42:50 -!- dbh [~dbh@182.55.3.19] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 13:43:37 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Client Quit] 13:43:51 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 13:44:34 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Client Quit] 13:44:50 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 13:50:04 Greetings! 13:50:17 hi hitecnologys 13:50:50 pnpuff: hello, how you doing? 13:52:59 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:53:30 Okay, does anyone remember that a long time ago I was writing simple minecraft server? So I returned back to my experiments and now I learned how to properly interact with java but currently I have some troubles with networking: I just can't send any response. When server receives packet, it successfully processes it and even executes sending instruction but nothing happens, client doesn't receive anything. 13:53:55 Here is code: https://github.com/HiTECNOLOGYs/JAMS/blob/develop/src/networking.lisp 13:54:21 It seems to be correct, I used almost the same code in my another project and it worked. 13:54:49 I even tried to connect with simple client written on lisp and it didn't work too. 13:54:56 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:55:05 I've run out of ideas, need help. 13:55:10 hitecnologys: 404 13:55:22 ah, no 13:55:25 never mind 13:55:29 Ok. 13:56:20 Entire server seems to run, accept and decode packages correctly so you can run it if you want. 13:56:20 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:56:38 hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 13:56:38 -!- hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 13:56:38 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 13:56:49 hitecnologys: no, i don't want that. did you try wireshare to look whether the packets are actually transmitted completely? 13:57:10 or wireshark :) 13:57:18 erm, yeah 13:57:27 hitecnologys: sorry jdz: *blush* 13:57:36 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 13:57:46 x2, when debugging web stuff, sniffing the sockets is your 1st debugging tool 13:58:02 wakeup [~max@xdsl-89-0-114-198.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:58:15 you may be missing (flush-output) or such 13:58:22 if your stack includes buffering 13:58:41 Wireshark? Nope, I didn't actually. It may really help? 13:59:02 hitecnologys: well, you claim the packets are sent out, but not received on the other end 13:59:39 Okay, wait a minute and I'll try to sniff socket, okay? 14:00:26 Why is that: http://paste.lisp.org/display/137339 14:00:27 ? 14:00:42 you missing force output after write-sequence on invalid packet 14:01:11 wakeup: :a and :b are not numbers 14:01:24 jdz: s/=/eq 14:01:28 wakeup: special in bar doesn't rewrite special in foo 14:01:31 my mistage 14:01:48 hitecnologys: it does on CCL 14:01:56 wakeup: wow, cool 14:02:01 -!- aoh [~aki@adsl-99-115.netplaza.fi] has quit [Quit: changing servers, physically] 14:02:08 is that a bug? 14:02:12 doomlord__ [~servitor@host86-140-43-86.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 14:02:15 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 14:02:21 maxm: yeah, that's mistake 14:02:24 wakeup: bar rebinds the special variable, what did you expect? 14:02:59 jdz: it makes sense considering the implicit let of lambda 14:03:26 antifuchs: did your slime mirror stop working? 14:03:27 -!- pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 14:03:38 jdz: I thought foo's body was outside of bar's lexical scope 14:03:39 luis: it works for me 14:03:45 -!- doomlord_ [~servitor@host86-176-90-36.range86-176.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:03:57 wakeup: it is not in the lexical scope, but it is in its dynamic scope 14:04:15 hitecnologys: last commit is 2 months old 14:04:23 luis: you mean git://github.com/antifuchs/slime.git ? 14:04:41 yes 14:04:51 jdz: do you know if I could define special so it behaves lexical? 14:04:57 luis: slime didn't updated recently. 14:05:14 wakeup: the whole point of special variables is that they are special 14:05:38 jdz: yes but can I have global lexical variables? 14:05:54 hitecnologys: why are you making things up? http://common-lisp.net/viewvc/slime/slime/ shows a change 29 hours ago. 14:06:10 -!- alch___ [~michael@209.222.18.75] has quit [Quit: alch___] 14:06:20 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@dhcp175-156-red3.yandex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:06:23 wakeup: not really 14:06:29 luis: wow, I'm slow 14:06:53 wakeup: why do you need global lexical variables? 14:07:29 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:08:20 jdz: a constant for instance doesn't let itself bind dynamically. 14:08:44 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:09:00 wakeup: that's because it's supposed to be constant 14:09:09 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 14:09:47 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 14:11:43 wakeup: you can just do (setf (symbol-value 'global-lexical) 42), and there, you have a global lexical 14:12:08 wakeup: except if you want to set the global value, you have to use symbol-value 14:12:44 _d3f [~gnu@ip-static-94-242-252-66.as5577.net] has joined #lisp 14:12:59 prob is you'll get warnings in SBCL every time you use variable directly, instead of using (symbol-value) 14:13:49 but then SBCL has defglobal anyway 14:15:08 thanks for the info 14:15:14 and they cannot be bound locally? 14:15:30 ill consider using the function namespace instead 14:15:33 aftershave [~textual@h-123-171-229.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 14:16:16 aoh [~aki@unaffiliated/aoh] has joined #lisp 14:16:26 wakeup: wat? 14:16:40 -!- kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:16:56 jdz: well in this particuular case its awkward. NOTE is globally defined as the length of a musical note in terms of tempo, and in a function bound to a symbol denoting a note on the musical scale 14:16:57 kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 14:17:10 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:18:16 jdz: Since this is a user facing package, and I just made the mistake easily, I want to avoid the consequent foot-shooting. 14:18:17 natechan [~natechan@c-71-56-124-186.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:18:28 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:19:36 nyef [~nyef@pool-70-109-132-87.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 14:19:42 if I had (defun note () ...), the same bug wouldn't arise when using (note) in concunction with FLET/LABELS 14:19:49 wakeup: are you sure the name NOTE refers to a "length"? 14:20:21 sounds weird 14:20:29 jdz: whats four quarter notes? 14:20:33 one note 14:20:41 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f755c08.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 14:20:45 "takt" in german 14:20:46 As in "Johnny One-Note"? 14:20:46 or full-note 14:20:57 or full-note 14:21:12 (To go with "Tommy Tutone", "Three-Chord George"...) 14:22:18 isn't "takt" from german something like "measure" (or "beat")? 14:23:15 more like beat 14:23:22 Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@187.208.169.138] has joined #lisp 14:23:34 oh, the right term in english is "whole note" 14:23:35 jdz: in german takt is used instead of note, manners, harmony ("im takt") and probably more 14:23:42 jdz: hehe 14:24:13 -!- ogamita [~user@77.104.4.54] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:24:28 wakeup: so whatever package uses "note" for that, should be fixed 14:24:49 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-190-228.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 14:25:06 jdz: I disagree. 14:25:22 as I stated. 14:25:43 for this usecase it's generally bad to pollute the dynamic scope 14:25:50 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:26:01 yes, the name should be *whole-note* 14:26:20 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:26:43 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 14:26:56 no in this case typing *whole-note* is excessive 14:27:05 It's supposed to used ad-hoc 14:27:18 1/2-note is horrible enough 14:27:19 more typing, less surprises, as they say 14:27:28 *half-note* 14:27:42 jdz: what about 1/32-note ? 14:28:24 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d856fa6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:28:24 wakeup: that one can stay as is 14:28:31 just add asterisks 14:28:33 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 14:28:43 then it's unregular 14:28:51 more to remember 14:28:57 then why not 1/1-note? 14:29:04 more regular 14:29:05 note is shorter 14:29:25 and doesn't even need a prefix for understanding it. 14:29:45 except people coming to #lisp and asking for global lexicals 14:30:06 Was a legitimate question no? 14:30:21 got a good answer that solves my problem 14:30:31 I can now decide between warnings or parentheses 14:30:35 if it's supposed to be a special, use earmuffs as other polite people dot 14:30:37 do even 14:30:58 I found out it shouldn't be special/dynamically scoped 14:31:18 kuzary [~lomo@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has joined #lisp 14:31:31 why? should the code work if you rebind the tempo to something else? 14:31:58 wakeup: you might be interested in symbol-macros, which for evaluation purposes behave like global lexicals 14:32:11 I mean, they are global and can be shadowed 14:32:17 benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04e78e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 14:32:28 jdz: yes it should 14:32:38 (I should have said 'binding' not 'evaluation') 14:32:56 okay, it seems like server doesn't send packet to client at all 14:32:57 kpreid: good idea 14:33:14 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 14:33:41 it just stops after it received packet and waits until I drop connection 14:33:54 wakeup: what's the name of the application that has this stuff? 14:34:01 then it prints received packet and signals error that stream is closed 14:34:26 jdz: soundlab 14:34:43 jdz: imho it 14:34:47 -!- rudi [~rudi@1x-193-157-196-114.uio.no] has quit [Quit: rudi] 14:34:49 s an embedded language 14:35:05 for exploratory sound synthesis 14:35:14 I will speak about it at ELS 13 14:35:44 wakeup: cool 14:36:05 pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 14:36:26 hitecnologys: im quite nervous, it's not as scientific as it sounds 14:36:54 paddymahoney [~patrick@24.137.221.230] has joined #lisp 14:37:14 I am really fascinated by the topic (maybe because of my lacking math skills), and am afraid others might think "well, duh" 14:37:43 wakeup: I once spoke about my implementation of neural network on lisp which I used to read characters from image, so I can understand you 14:37:49 but for me its like "wow I can make weird sounds from nothing, im a wizard" 14:38:13 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 14:38:14 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 14:38:14 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 14:38:19 That might be educational. 14:39:37 Okay, what should I do next to find mistake which makes server to hang? 14:40:03 hitecnologys: isolate as much as possible 14:40:04 hitecnologys: did you fix the error somebody pointed out already? 14:40:04 -!- Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@187.208.169.138] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:40:17 jdz: yep, I didn't help 14:40:49 write the smallest program that reproduces your error 14:40:54 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:40:55 Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@187.208.169.138] has joined #lisp 14:40:59 hitecnologys: from what you describe, it still seems like a missed force-output 14:41:02 until it's so simple that the bug is obvious 14:41:13 jdz: but it's here 14:41:26 okay, let's try wiring smallest login test. 14:41:35 hitecnologys: try finish-output, then 14:41:45 although i seriously doubt it should change anything 14:42:31 what is the difference between force-output and finish-output? 14:42:47 One kicks the flushing process off, the other waits for it to be done. 14:42:55 cool 14:43:02 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:43:58 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 14:43:58 -!- phil_ [~phil@c-24-91-234-244.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:44:49 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 14:44:50 No, doesn't work 14:45:08 Oh, wait 14:45:12 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:45:32 Omg, it combined two parts of some packets together 14:46:32 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 14:47:02 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 14:47:39 Nope, I checked and it's not response. 14:47:42 Weird. 14:48:01 -!- davazp [~user@92.251.217.119.threembb.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:48:08 billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 14:51:04 -!- wakeup [~max@xdsl-89-0-114-198.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:52:17 Hm, I have parts of packet that it should send in wireshark output but these parts are in different packets which structure doesn't match target packet at all. What does this mean? 14:53:56 thats fine, TCP sees it as single stream 14:54:10 underneath it splits stuff into multiple packets 14:54:20 hitecnologys: it means your code is borked; i suggest you sprinkle your code with a lot of ASSERTs 14:54:22 as long as you see your data crossing the wire, it means it gets sent 14:54:25 -!- Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@187.208.169.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:54:25 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 14:54:39 his using TCP, it does not matter imho 14:54:45 antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-siucoclizitozmme] has joined #lisp 14:55:02 hitecnologys: also, there's a "follow stream" (or somesuch) option in right-click menu of wireshark 14:55:09 Okay, I also see that these packets with my data are sent only after client drops connection 14:55:37 ok, it means (force-output) on stream does not work for some reason, or is a no-op 14:55:39 jdz: I use terminal version due to osx stupidity 14:56:14 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:56:26 maxm: so how can I fix that? 14:56:48 hitecnologys: also, what do you mean by "client"? 14:56:49 I don't know, debug it, use diff socket library, complain to socket library author, google if someone else had same problem 14:56:57 hitecnologys: when you say "client drops connection"? 14:56:59 jdz: minecraft 14:58:22 jdz: I tested it with simple code instead of minecraft client also and got the same result. 14:58:26 hitecnologys: have you tried interrupting your program when it's stuck waiting instead of sending stuff out? 14:59:10 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 14:59:13 -!- KDr2 [~KDr2@114.243.243.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:59:20 jdz: yep, nothing is sent then 15:00:03 hitecnologys: ok, how about your receive-data function -- does not look like it's returning until the socket is closed 15:00:45 jdz: oh shit, thanks, man 15:01:03 hitecnologys: you should have seen it if you interrupted your program (that's why i asked) 15:01:19 but how can I fix that? 15:01:43 hitecnologys: you either wait for a specific number of bytes, or you use LISTEN to see if there's something to read 15:01:59 hitecnologys: there is your problem 15:02:33 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:02:39 hitecnologys: from docstring of sbcl's socket-make-stream: Acceptable values for BUFFERING are :FULL, :LINE and :NONE, default is :FULL, ie. output is buffered till it is explicitly flushed using CLOSE or FINISH-OUTPUT. (FORCE-OUTPUT forces some output to be flushed: to ensure all buffered output is flused use FINISH-OUTPUT.) 15:02:52 usocket uses :buffering :full 15:02:59 you need finish-output, not force-output 15:03:23 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 15:03:42 jeez, all it takes as far as debugging, is Slime M-. and reading docstrings, did not even had to bring out medium heaviness artillery :-) 15:03:48 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 15:04:06 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-mocdayjvqxuqcief] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:04:14 oh, thanks a lot, guys 15:05:01 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:05:18 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Client Quit] 15:05:38 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 15:05:41 *maxm* cracks his neck back and forth, "it was nothing" 15:07:16 Adlai` [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 15:09:38 -!- pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:09:58 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 15:10:27 Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@177.224.210.78] has joined #lisp 15:10:40 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:10:55 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 15:11:30 lol, now it doesn't read last byte =P 15:12:35 rly [~rly@unaffiliated/rly] has joined #lisp 15:12:42 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:12:47 hitecnologys: now that you have done what? 15:13:22 jdz: replaced while byte to while (listen stream). It reads everything except last byte. 15:13:35 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 15:13:44 (in-package :stumpwm) ;;; How do I get this to work? The problem involves it not being able to find the package, I am sure. 15:13:57 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 15:14:30 hitecnologys: doesn't the protocol specify how many bytes exactly should be read? 15:14:54 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 15:14:55 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.102] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 15:14:58 hitecnologys: with LISTEN you may as well reoad only half of a packet 15:15:28 jdz: yes, it does, but there are strings so I need to read entire package to find out it's real length 15:15:28 pjb: any word on fixing your library? 15:15:31 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 15:15:46 hitecnologys: somehow i have a hard time believing that... 15:16:02 -!- Matt_S_G [~Matt_S_G@87.109.4.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:16:09 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Client Quit] 15:16:26 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 15:16:41 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Client Quit] 15:16:56 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 15:17:02 jdz: http://mc.kev009.com/Protocol#Handshake_.280x02.29 15:17:05 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Client Quit] 15:17:21 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 15:18:21 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 15:19:26 jdz: strings are prefixed with it's length 15:19:40 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Client Quit] 15:19:44 hitecnologys: so, there you go, you know the length 15:20:00 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 15:20:33 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-190-228.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:20:34 jdz: but I need to rewrite half of my code to implement length calculation... 15:20:55 jdz: I just tried to avoid it but it looks like the only way to make things work, lol 15:21:59 pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 15:22:10 -!- kuzary [~lomo@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has quit [Quit: return 0;] 15:22:15 Ok, I'll do this next week maybe. 15:22:21 jdz: thanks a lot again 15:22:57 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Client Quit] 15:23:00 -!- pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 15:23:17 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 15:23:19 pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 15:23:45 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 15:23:58 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 15:25:01 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Client Quit] 15:25:20 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 15:25:25 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Client Quit] 15:25:43 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 15:26:06 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-190-228.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 15:26:15 I need to go, exams and stuff take all my free time. Goodbye everyone! 15:26:25 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.52.247] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 15:26:30 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Client Quit] 15:26:58 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 15:27:30 could someone send me a message here with my nick in it. i just wrote a notification script for weechat and would like to test it out. 15:27:37 fenton 15:27:54 darn, not working... 15:27:57 thx 15:28:00 yw 15:28:54 -!- pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:29:03 nug700 [~nug700@174-19-141-8.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:29:24 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Client Quit] 15:29:41 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 15:30:01 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Client Quit] 15:30:14 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 15:31:03 pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 15:31:09 -!- Adlai` [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:31:51 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Client Quit] 15:32:09 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 15:32:26 I got it to work thanks to someone having taking the trouble to define clearly what everything is on a website. 15:32:34 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:32:41 taken* 15:32:49 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-190-228.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:33:36 why no one wrote portage in lisp and bash? 15:33:49 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-190-228.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 15:34:13 pnpuff, reword the question, "Why haven't I written portage in Lisp and bash?" 15:34:31 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:35:11 -!- EvW [~Thunderbi@a82-92-190-215.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:36:02 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Client Quit] 15:36:07 hagish_ [~hagish@host-88-217-174-124.customer.m-online.net] has joined #lisp 15:36:15 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 15:36:56 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-190-228.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:37:18 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-190-228.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 15:38:41 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-58-247.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Client Quit] 15:39:13 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:39:14 -!- hagish_ [~hagish@host-88-217-174-124.customer.m-online.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:39:32 hagish_ [~hagish@host-88-217-174-124.customer.m-online.net] has joined #lisp 15:40:06 -!- hagish_ is now known as hagish 15:40:31 EvW [~Thunderbi@a82-92-190-215.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 15:41:21 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:41:48 Quadrescence: I don't use portage. 15:43:00 and after there are 4 billion of grntoo developers and I'm only one person. :) 15:44:37 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 15:45:50 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.135.192] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:46:13 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:47:47 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:48:09 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:48:10 nilsi [~nilsi@student-244-143.eduroam.uu.se] has joined #lisp 15:48:32 pnpuff: see nix/guix 15:48:38 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 15:50:59 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 15:52:33 nilsi_ [~nilsi@student-244-143.eduroam.uu.se] has joined #lisp 15:52:40 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@student-244-143.eduroam.uu.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:54:47 zorkmoid: thanks a lot! 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19:12:07 What is a good parser generator for Common Lisp? 19:13:17 paddymahoney [~patrick@24.137.221.230] has joined #lisp 19:15:24 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:17:21 ManAmongHippos: http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/com/informatimago/small-cl-pgms/rdp/ 19:21:56 ManAmongHippos: or http://www.cliki.net/parser%20generator 19:22:54 pnpuff: I've seen the CLiki page. I just wanted to see if anyone had a particular one to recommend. 19:23:10 -!- ManAmongHippos [8a1a4027@gateway/web/freenode/ip.138.26.64.39] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:28:17 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:30:22 do people use/like cl-irc? I suddenly have the need to write an IRC bot. 19:30:37 <|3b|> esrap, smug, and cl-yacc seem popular for parsers 19:35:20 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:37:17 -!- _d3f [~gnu@ip-static-94-242-252-66.as5577.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 19:38:32 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:38:47 Aethaeryn: I believe that minion might use cl-irc. 19:38:58 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 19:39:24 ah, good. 19:39:38 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 19:46:36 -!- SrPx [~SrPx@177.133.252.42] has quit [Quit: SrPx] 19:48:05 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@71-82-124-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: phunq, sandwich store loop, WHAT NO UNIVERSE] 19:48:18 SrPx [~SrPx@177.133.252.42] has joined #lisp 19:50:11 Mandus: rdp is not a "good" one, it's a simplistic, recursive decent parser. But I like it, it's mine :-) Nowadays, good parsers implement packrat or earley algorithms. 19:50:41 or esrap. 19:51:03 But simple parsers like rdp or smug are nice, because anybody can understand them! :-) 19:52:16 pjb: ManAmongMonkeys is gone 19:52:23 Oops. 19:52:26 They go so fast 19:53:36 pnpuff: you can start to write portage (or rather a better system like nixos package management system) in lisp this evening! We'll be happy to use it. 19:53:59 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:53:59 -!- SrPx [~SrPx@177.133.252.42] has quit [Quit: SrPx] 19:54:02 pjb: now I'm a little bit experimenting with gentoo 19:54:38 pnpuff: in the meantime, I started fpm, a lisp script to cover the various package management systems I have to use: http://git.informatimago.com/viewgit/index.php?a=viewblob&p=public/bin&h=5a4b56f1ef43afbf07a3533e812c966a99da1a79&hb=dda086c6b04b9e585450d014ba858d5b0c9c2639&f=fpm 19:55:36 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-240-185.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:55:39 pnpuff: next, rewrite mercurial in lisp. It should be possible to work on mercurial repositories with both lisp and python, since the file format and structures are well defined. 19:56:32 SrPx [~SrPx@177.133.252.42] has joined #lisp 19:58:16 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:59:47 pjb: do you know about libraries that can read/write git repositories, too? 20:01:19 flip214: dunno whether it works, but: https://github.com/froydnj/glitter 20:02:23 bitonic [~user@97e105e8.skybroadband.com] has joined #lisp 20:04:50 -!- kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has quit [] 20:05:38 pnpuff- [~LlL@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 20:06:04 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:06:12 k-stz [~user@HSI-KBW-095-208-250-153.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 20:07:12 -!- pnpuff- [~LlL@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 20:07:12 pnpuff- [~LlL@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 20:07:24 samebchase: thanks, will take a look. 20:07:28 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-240-185.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:09:36 jerryzhou [~gururui@119.52.21.180] has joined #lisp 20:10:02 There are probably more libraries for git indeed, since it's written in C. Building a library written in python for use by other language is as difficult as for libraries written in lisp. 20:10:33 well, libgit isn't in good shape AFAIK. 20:10:34 jewel [~jewel@105-237-24-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:10:44 thanks all the same! 20:10:45 (but we should probably work toward this goal, which should be attainable with eg. ecl, since it would help promote lisp, if we can write a library that everybody will want to use). 20:11:21 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-178-140-78-173.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:12:02 ehu [~Erik@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:14:50 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-229-140.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 20:15:23 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-63.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:16:07 -!- pnpuff- [~LlL@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:17:11 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f755c08.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:17:33 stardiviner_ [~quassel@122.236.243.87] has joined #lisp 20:18:04 -!- stardiviner [~quassel@122.236.243.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:19:24 jrajav [~jrajav@71-82-124-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 20:21:44 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B298FED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:21:50 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@ip68-4-133-159.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 20:30:10 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 20:36:52 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@ip68-4-133-159.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:40:13 ASau`` [~user@p5797EA99.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:41:11 -!- ASau` [~user@p5797EFC0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:41:25 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:42:22 davazp [~user@178.167.175.194.threembb.ie] has joined #lisp 20:43:00 francogrex [~user@91.182.136.212] has joined #lisp 20:44:08 the function (read) hangs until user input. how can I tweak it so that the the time window of input is limited in user doesn't react, the rest of the code will proceed? 20:44:31 -!- gmcastil [~user@75-166-221-214.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:47:14 -!- knob [~knob@76.76.202.244] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:47:35 ehu` [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:47:49 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-237-24-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:48:23 in the standard the only way is busy looping read-char-no-hang 20:48:42 most implementations have a variant where you can specify a timeout 20:48:48 przl [~przlrkt@p5B298FED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:49:22 mal_: sbcl variant? 20:50:47 I don't know offhand 20:51:14 -!- solvip [~solvip@89-160-141-139.du.xdsl.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:51:15 -!- jerryzhou [~gururui@119.52.21.180] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:54:48 another common extension is a select() like facility where you get notified if some stream has input available 20:55:27 I found this: http://common-lisp.net/project/trivial-timeout/ maybe 20:56:21 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-178-140-78-173.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #lisp 20:57:27 -!- ASau`` is now known as ASau 20:59:07 chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-241-240-138.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:00:53 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04e78e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:01:22 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-215-44-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:05:11 benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04e78e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 21:05:22 -!- hagish [~hagish@host-88-217-174-124.customer.m-online.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:08:12 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-190-225.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 21:09:39 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:12:32 -!- francogrex [~user@91.182.136.212] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:14:11 gmcastil [~user@ip-64-134-27-7.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 21:14:19 urandom__ [~user@ip-88-152-216-52.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 21:15:04 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-177-139.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15:10 -!- SrPx [~SrPx@177.133.252.42] has quit [Quit: SrPx] 21:15:26 read-char-no-hang is not specified to read un-buffered. 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ZZZzzz] 22:24:40 hagish [~hagish@p54895D15.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 22:28:25 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 22:28:39 Yes? 22:28:59 *pjb* should be sleeping, but can't resist Mermaids' call. 22:30:34 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-194-187.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:31:14 Oh, I see: <02:48:21> pjb: typo in make-array call in vector-rest: :dispalced-index-offset 22:31:53 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:32:51 -!- sabra [~sabra@67.174.222.215] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:33:05 Typofix pushed. 22:33:09 Good night. 22:34:52 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:38:52 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:41:35 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@c-66-229-185-165.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:42:01 oh, wow, there's no language-independent standard for S-expressions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-expression#Standardization 22:44:58 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:46:27 alch___ [~michael@EM119-72-193-111.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 22:47:19 -!- zickzackv [~faot@g225050050.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:47:22 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 22:47:26 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abob31.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 22:50:01 is there a difference between Common Lisp and r5rs/r7rs Scheme s-expressions? 22:50:23 CL is all about reader macros 22:50:52 right. this? http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/02_d.htm 22:51:07 well, the entirety of the reader system, yes 22:51:37 -!- Thra11 [~Thra11@46.208.1.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:52:48 Aethaeryn: No difference. Have a look at (intersection common-lisp emacs-lisp scheme) http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/com/informatimago/small-cl-pgms/intersection-r5rs-common-lisp-emacs-lisp/ 22:53:27 I was curious because I came across http://mumble.net/~jar/pseudoscheme/ 22:53:37 Aethaeryn: there are Rivest's sexps: 22:53:51 adelgado [~TomSawyer@c-66-229-185-165.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:54:06 But basically: sexp ::= atom | '(' { sexp } ')' . 22:54:54 All the rest of the syntax is about atoms. If you just distinguish between numbers and symbols, it's enough. 22:55:06 -!- gmcastil [~user@ip-64-134-27-7.public.wayport.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:55:11 And even numbers are not really necessary. 22:55:42 gmcastil [~user@ip-64-134-27-7.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 22:56:45 -!- SrPx [~SrPx@177.133.252.42] has quit [Quit: SrPx] 22:57:43 are there differences in identifiers between Lisp and Scheme? other than newer Schemes distinguishing between upper case and lower case, which is fairly obvious. (I'm not talking about conventions like foop vs. foo?) 22:58:11 I assume s-expressions-as-data should probably keep things as strings to avoid problems in different Lisp dialects? 23:01:30 -!- alch___ [~michael@EM119-72-193-111.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:43 alch___ [~michael@68.232.186.219] has joined #lisp 23:01:52 <|3b|> CL distinguishes case, it just converts everything to uppercase by default when READing 23:02:10 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-36-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:02:13 -!- Gavilan3 is now known as Gavilan2 23:02:31 Aethaeryn: why would you use the reader? 23:03:28 -!- hagish [~hagish@p54895D15.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:04:05 SrPx [~SrPx@177.133.252.42] has joined #lisp 23:09:36 -!- natechan [~natechan@c-71-56-124-186.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 23:19:58 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.180.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:20:15 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 23:20:34 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:21:41 erikc [~erikc@CPE00222d53fe78-CM00222d53fe75.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 23:23:26 paddymahoney [~patrick@198-84-186-52.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 23:24:10 ah, found the Rivest version. http://people.csail.mit.edu/rivest/Sexp.txt 23:27:54 -!- alch___ [~michael@68.232.186.219] has quit [Quit: alch___] 23:33:28 guiambros [~guiambros@z65-50-88-217.ips.direcpath.com] has joined #lisp 23:33:59 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 23:37:34 -!- entitativity [~entity@c-50-136-180-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:38:22 -!- Aethaeryn is now known as aeth 23:39:11 -!- Watcher7|off is now known as Watcher7 23:41:38 -!- Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@177.224.210.78] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:42:56 ozialien_ [~ernest@ip98-167-220-198.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 23:43:09 entitativity [~entity@c-50-136-180-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:44:04 -!- ozialien_ [~ernest@ip98-167-220-198.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:44:23 ozialien [~ernest@ip98-167-220-198.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 23:48:12 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:52:03 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@71-82-124-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: phunq, sandwich store loop, WHAT NO UNIVERSE] 23:59:20 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp