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You'd have to prove the functions are pure, including runtime errors, to reorder their execution. 01:29:12 Much simpler to generate what you mean from the get go instead of playing silly games to extract semantics from code. 01:30:51 yep i didn't think of the effects 01:31:03 pkhuong, well the unfortunate thing with that is you're forced to fuse functions into one ugly mass 01:31:11 instead of cleanly separating concerns 01:31:26 "you?" Surely you mean, "my EDSL compiler"? 01:32:12 also, don't we talk about this at least once a month? eventually the conversation leads to SERIES or, like you said, DSL/pipes/w/e 01:32:58 -!- paul0_ [~paul0@187.58.227.115] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:33:02 maybe once every other month. But, with SSE intrinsics, the game just became funner ;) 01:33:45 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:35:37 ive been thinking more about parametric (algebraic) types and how id fall into irrevocable love if i got them and they were useful 01:36:15 thinking about => for sbcl 01:36:39 you mean typeclasses? 01:37:02 paul0 [~paul0@187.58.227.115] has joined #lisp 01:37:05 no, but those would be nice too :) 01:37:12 what's => then 01:37:14 ski [~Stefan@t-2020-07.studat.chalmers.se] has joined #lisp 01:37:50 Bike, well it would just extend the algebra of types so sbcl could make more clever derivations I guess 01:38:03 for polymorphic code especially 01:38:24 ["thinking about" => "for sbcl"] (and not [thinking about "=>" for sbcl]) 01:38:29 - 01:38:43 oh, duh. 01:38:48 Quadrescence: that is the only thing i miss in CL but checked both typed racket and qi/shen, they look incompatible with dynamic typing. but i guess you are talking about compiler? 01:38:57 pkhuong, :) 01:39:29 nan-, i wouldn't say incompatible, just falls apart easily when the compiler doesn't know enough 01:40:04 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 01:41:31 Quadrescence: they look incompatible to me because say you have a typed standard library, how are you going to use those functions in dynamic environment? well that is what i got from checkign typed racket a bit 01:42:14 You add contracts to the runtime. 01:43:14 humm 01:48:12 -!- emma is now known as em 01:49:19 -!- daydreamt [~d@nat-wh-wbr.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has left #lisp 01:51:17 -!- alch___ [~michael@EM117-55-68-154.emobile.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: alch___] 01:51:27 jrajav [~jrajav@71-82-124-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 01:52:53 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.241.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:54:26 -!- fihi09 [~user@pool-108-27-202-14.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:54:36 fihi09 [~user@pool-108-27-202-14.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:59:37 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 01:59:57 p_nathan [~Adium@w142148.wireless.fsr.net] has joined #lisp 02:00:12 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-133-61.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:01:45 Sm3lly [~Sm3lly@76-250-64-47.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:03:31 -!- paddymahoney [~patrick@199-7-156-141.eng.wind.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:07:16 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 02:07:49 -!- pierpa` [~user@host117-20-dynamic.53-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:10:45 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:12:54 paddymahoney [~patrick@199.119.232.221] has joined #lisp 02:13:50 volitek [~ollie@176.227.202.17] has joined #lisp 02:14:38 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:19:48 alch___ [~michael@EM117-55-68-154.emobile.ad.jp] has joined #lisp 02:26:36 -!- paddymahoney [~patrick@199.119.232.221] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:27:07 paddymahoney [~patrick@198-84-186-52.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 02:29:18 SrPx [~SrPx@177.205.224.7.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 02:30:07 e just read you have access to the compiler in common lisp, meaning you can create functions dynamically so they'll be compiled to machine code. Can someone give an example explaining what in practice that dude meant? 02:30:42 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:30:53 SrPx: (defun stupid-constant-function (x) (compile nil (list 'lambda () x))) (funcall (stupid-constant-function 4)) => 4 02:32:48 Bike: so it's kinda like a jit I can access? Are there other languages with that? Is it slow (I guess it should be) to compile? Is the compiled machine code as fast as if I compiled the function traditionally, or is it less optimized? 02:32:52 Sorry for many questions. 02:34:07 SrPx: 1) a bit 2) depends on the implementation but many have fast compilers 3) it is the same compiler as "traditionally" 02:34:27 SrPx: It takes source and transforms it to machine code 02:34:39 well, probably 3. I think all implementations except maybe ECL have basically the same compilers. 02:35:40 ok, thank you. can I see the machine code it produces? what's the difference of compile and eval? 02:35:55 clhs disassemble 02:35:55 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_disass.htm 02:35:58 (disassembly 'fn 'function) 02:36:26 hard to believe at the begining but CL does all that 02:36:49 very cool, thanks. 02:36:56 and the difference is that compile is a compiler and eval is an evaluator :) while they may be the same (e.g. in usual sbcl and in ccl) it's basically the difference between compiled and interpreted code like usual. 02:37:28 gendl [~gendl@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:37:51 Bike: but if I eval a function and use it after, I guess it is equivalent to using compile? 02:38:05 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 02:38:06 SrPx: not necessarily 02:38:13 -!- _tca [~user@h151.25.91.207.static.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:38:27 SrPx: http://paste.lisp.org/display/137314 something I'm working on atm. :) 02:38:35 SrPx: you can do (compiled-function-p thing) to see if a thing is a compiled function, but there's no guarantee that (compiled-function-p (eval ...)) is true, and it probably won't be in many implementations 02:39:25 Bike: so the language works with some parts compiled to machine code and some parts interpreted? 02:39:32 it can 02:39:39 but as i said it doesn't have to, as in sbcl and ccl 02:40:14 so in practice evaling a function and using it won't be a problem and will be the same as using compile, in sbcl and ccl? 02:40:23 yep 02:40:27 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@71-82-124-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: phunq, sandwich store loop, WHAT NO UNIVERSE] 02:40:29 but not in clisp or abcl 02:40:42 or if you turn on sbcl's interpreted mode for whatever reason 02:40:52 p_nathan: nice but what is that ? heh 02:41:03 quux-get-closure 02:41:05 The dissassembly of my function. 02:41:11 SrPx: duh it should be (disassembe 'fn) was thinking of (documentation 'fn 'function) 02:41:32 ohh I see. cool. but what's that function? get closure?! 02:41:54 It's an art project I'm working on: no real relevance except to demonstrate that you can yoink machine code from a compiling Lisp system. 02:42:01 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closure_%28computer_science%29 02:42:16 ... hm 02:42:27 please don't get hung up on the function name, it's just a placeholder. 02:42:35 phI know what's a closure (; 02:42:44 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 02:46:15 nug700 [~nug700@184-98-115-37.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 02:46:40 -!- ryoshu [~kamil1212@unaffiliated/ryoshu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:47:55 -!- nug700_ [~nug700@174-19-140-10.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:51:22 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 02:55:27 nug700_ [~nug700@184-98-123-108.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 02:58:32 -!- nug700 [~nug700@184-98-115-37.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:59:54 normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 03:03:24 -!- Watcher7 is now known as Watcher7|off 03:06:42 -!- senj [~senj@S01060026f3e14440.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: so it goes] 03:09:41 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-190-225.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 03:13:20 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@CPE-121-218-78-1.lnse4.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 03:38:57 -!- alch___ [~michael@EM117-55-68-154.emobile.ad.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:39:10 alch___ [~michael@108-61-55-77ch.openskytelcom.net] has joined #lisp 03:40:47 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-190-225.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:43:07 -!- p_nathan [~Adium@w142148.wireless.fsr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:45:42 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@171.212.203.15] has left #lisp 03:45:49 p_nathan [~Adium@w142148.wireless.fsr.net] has joined #lisp 03:50:09 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 03:53:42 Aiwass [~user@unaffiliated/aiwass] has joined #lisp 04:01:53 -!- alch___ [~michael@108-61-55-77ch.openskytelcom.net] has quit [Quit: alch___] 04:02:01 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@CPE-121-218-78-1.lnse4.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:02:35 leo2007 [~leo@119.161.133.157] has joined #lisp 04:07:40 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:09:11 protist [~protist@226.173.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has joined #lisp 04:12:59 -!- Aiwass [~user@unaffiliated/aiwass] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:14:05 -!- walter|r [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 04:15:49 catmtking [~catmtking@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 04:15:58 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:20:57 Aiwass [~user@unaffiliated/aiwass] has joined #lisp 04:21:08 -!- Aiwass [~user@unaffiliated/aiwass] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:21:32 Aiwass [~user@unaffiliated/aiwass] has joined #lisp 04:21:47 -!- Aiwass [~user@unaffiliated/aiwass] has quit [Client Quit] 04:22:11 Aiwass [~user@unaffiliated/aiwass] has joined #lisp 04:22:55 -!- Aiwass [~user@unaffiliated/aiwass] has quit [Client Quit] 04:23:47 Aiwass [~user@unaffiliated/aiwass] has joined #lisp 04:23:58 -!- Aiwass [~user@unaffiliated/aiwass] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:24:22 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 04:26:19 -!- chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-241-240-138.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:27:08 Aiwass` [~user@86.127.137.38] has joined #lisp 04:27:36 -!- Aiwass` [~user@86.127.137.38] has quit [Client Quit] 04:28:36 Aiwass` [~user@86.127.137.38] has joined #lisp 04:28:36 -!- Aiwass` [~user@86.127.137.38] has quit [Client Quit] 04:29:28 nan-: for TR, it does roughly what pkhuong -- the typed code works fine with itself, and it can also interact freely with untyped code via (runtime) contracts which make sure that all data that gets to the typed code satisfies what it needs; so it's very much compatible with dynamic typing. (In fact, being compatible is the major design goal of TR.) 04:33:34 teggi [~teggi@123.20.127.25] has joined #lisp 04:36:19 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.189.92] has joined #lisp 04:36:19 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.189.92] has quit [Changing host] 04:36:19 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 04:36:22 -!- vi1 [~vi1@93.92.216.186] has quit [] 04:49:57 Aiwass` [~user@86.127.137.38] has joined #lisp 04:50:16 -!- Aiwass` [~user@86.127.137.38] has quit [Client Quit] 04:55:50 Aiwass` [~user@86.127.137.38] has joined #lisp 04:56:04 -!- Aiwass` [~user@86.127.137.38] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:57:12 renais [~renais@122.179.84.210] has joined #lisp 04:57:31 -!- p_nathan [~Adium@w142148.wireless.fsr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:02:07 -!- ISF [~ivan@187.106.36.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:05:59 -!- anaumov [~an@opensuse/member/Alexander-Naumov] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:13:53 alch___ [~michael@EM117-55-68-136.emobile.ad.jp] has joined #lisp 05:16:39 agumonkey [~agu@52.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 05:17:18 jimrthy [~james@cpe-70-112-206-173.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 05:17:52 primenum [~primenum@c-71-231-57-77.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:19:52 It seems dead enough that I'll go ahead and toss out a question: 05:20:28 Is there anyone around who has opinions about how to pick up a dead package? 05:20:38 You mean an unmaintained library? 05:21:05 Yes 05:22:06 The guy who wrote it basically said "Here, it's yours!" but...a lot of things have changed since he wrote it 05:22:36 Written with mk-defsystem instead of asdf and such? 05:23:08 anaumov [~an@bane.agnitas.de] has joined #lisp 05:23:19 That's the kicker...it isn't *that* old. 05:23:52 It's just that the existing version (in quicklisp) doesn't really work 05:24:20 And it has a lot of duplicated effort that (at this point) is a waste of time 05:24:49 At least, from my perspective 05:26:57 That's really a useless problem statement. 05:27:09 Well what kind of advice are you looking for? 05:27:26 "debug it until it's working again" is obvious, you don't mean to ask for that. 05:27:41 No, it's uglier. 05:28:33 -!- alch___ [~michael@EM117-55-68-136.emobile.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: alch___] 05:28:37 I want to use cl-glfw in a project. It's sort-of half-done. They've sort-of moved on to an incompatible API. 05:29:51 I basically just want to just publish CFFI wrappers around the new API (although the work's totally based on the existing library) 05:30:58 Grr...my "updated" version for what GLFW offers is heavily influenced by the original package (which is public domain, and the author is cool with me doing whatever) 05:31:00 -!- kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has quit [] 05:31:33 He wrote a lot of additional pieces, competing with cl-opengl, which seem like a waste of time now. 05:32:22 -!- Warlock [~tracer@unaffiliated/warlock] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:32:44 I'm torn between releasing a completely seperate package, and trying to release a package that maintains some sort of semblance of backwards compatibility. 05:33:11 well, who uses glfw? 05:33:19 It's really just an FFI wrapper, and the underlying C library has broken it. 05:33:37 Based on the glfw mailing lists...nobody. 05:33:54 Do whatever you want, then? 05:34:19 That's pretty much what I figured, but I really don't want to be an asshole. 05:34:31 So I figured I'd ask on here. 05:34:35 If nobody's using it there's nobody to be an asshole to :) 05:34:41 you could wait around to see if anyone is, i guess. 05:34:44 -!- renais [~renais@122.179.84.210] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:34:50 LOL, yeah. Very true. 05:35:46 I'll try stick around for/log back in at a better time. 05:36:11 I do appreciate your take on things...thanks. 05:39:43 -!- protist [~protist@226.173.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 05:43:05 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@CPE-121-218-78-1.lnse4.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 05:43:07 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-190-225.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 05:43:09 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:43:59 alch___ [~michael@EM117-55-68-136.emobile.ad.jp] has joined #lisp 05:44:51 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 05:45:12 MoALTz_ [~no@host86-137-71-38.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 05:45:24 -!- jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:47:52 zRecursive [~czsq888@171.212.203.15] has joined #lisp 05:47:59 -!- expez [~expez@expez.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:48:19 -!- MoALTz 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cl-types-graph is not the same 06:41:16 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 06:41:22 Prismatic's one is about computations. 06:41:33 Here is it: https://github.com/Prismatic/plumbing 06:41:34 tesuji [~tesuji@unaffiliated/tesuji] has joined #lisp 06:41:44 But it is for Closure 06:42:36 -!- tesuji [~tesuji@unaffiliated/tesuji] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:44:51 mmmmh, so Graphviz it's only a visualization software.... 06:44:54 alch___ [~michael@EM117-55-68-7.emobile.ad.jp] has joined #lisp 06:45:14 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@CPE-121-218-78-1.lnse4.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 06:45:20 dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has joined #lisp 06:45:27 -!- alch___ [~michael@EM117-55-68-7.emobile.ad.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:45:34 svetlyak40wt: what are you doing with a graph? 06:45:40 alch___ [~michael@216.155.131.69] has joined #lisp 06:46:18 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 06:46:19 pnpuff, a cursory look at this will show it's nothing even remotely like graphviz. 06:46:44 svetlyak40wt: that library seems pretty unique. 06:46:54 maybe a bit like series. a bit. 06:46:55 pnpuff: Well, guys from prismatic use this word to describe the tool, which build a computational graph from a functions map. 06:48:25 They create a map where keys names functions' outputs and than library compiles this map into an actual function which understands dependencies between functions and calls them in an appropriate way 06:48:56 wow, awesome 06:49:00 And I really want to have this for my CL project :) 06:49:45 But I lack Clojure knowledge to port this library to CL. 06:50:39 svetlyak40wt: do you think is difficoult to "export" the library from Clojure to CL? 06:51:04 pnpuff: What? 06:51:18 p_nathan [~Adium@76.178.163.213] has joined #lisp 06:56:53 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:57:36 mrSpec [~Spec@87-207-172-93.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 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svetlyak40wt: google for "common lisp cells" or "common lisp computed-class". They're old projects that implement something like reactive programming in CL. It might be close to the part of Graph you find useful. 07:11:57 pkhuong: thank you 07:12:23 Never mind, Graph is pure, so it's really different. 07:18:25 svetlyak40wt: have you to directly evalutate the entanglement of your graph? 07:18:49 -!- Watcher7 is now known as Watcher7|off 07:19:48 ryoshu [~kamil1212@83-144-107-246.static.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 07:19:48 -!- ryoshu [~kamil1212@83-144-107-246.static.chello.pl] has quit [Changing host] 07:19:48 ryoshu [~kamil1212@unaffiliated/ryoshu] has joined #lisp 07:23:24 -!- primenum [~primenum@c-71-231-57-77.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:24:35 aftershave [~textual@h-123-171-229.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 07:27:25 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:27:37 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d868d2f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:32:58 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-229-140.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 07:36:26 -!- alch___ 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research you have done already and how you could not find what you're looking for? 09:50:23 xenoclast: chmod +x hello-world.fasl; ./hello-world.fasl 09:51:26 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c2d74.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 09:51:49 It works fine with sbcl 1.0.40 09:52:23 xenoclast: and with version X, what happens? 09:52:48 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:55:02 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:55:59 xenoclast: maybe would be interesting for you: http://www.xach.com/lisp/buildapp/ 09:56:13 X=1.0.57 it throws an error with "illegal sharp macro character" 09:57:26 no toolkit? 09:57:43 1.0.57 is not the latest sbcl, is it? 09:58:09 hsn: no. 09:58:18 It is the one in debian stable 09:58:24 -!- mikecsh [~mikecsh@host81-155-213-85.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has left #lisp 10:00:18 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 10:00:39 -!- alch___ [~michael@68.232.186.211] has quit [Quit: alch___] 10:00:49 why no toolkit 10:01:02 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:01:10 xenoclast: it does not work with 1.1.1.31 either 10:01:27 xenoclast: so yes, it seems to be broken. i can recommend buildapp, too. 10:01:31 xenoclast: nobody can help you if you use outdated version 10:01:57 hsn: because you don't do any research and don't know what you're looking for. 10:02:11 you need at least 1.1.3 for shebangs to work 10:02:40 i look web toolkit for linux 10:02:50 and lips 10:03:19 lips? 10:03:32 xenoclast: http://www.sbcl.org/manual/#Shebang-Scripts 10:03:39 i do not want research toolit, i want to download it 10:03:41 pnpuff: you're not helping 10:04:09 xenoclast: update to SBCL 1.1.7 first! 10:04:26 pnpuff: why do you have such an urge to help people, even if you can't? 10:04:30 ...better reinstall a new version 10:04:43 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-172-217.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping 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This was inherited by SBCL and I usually use it in preference to save-lisp-and-die. 10:07:19 Damn. 10:07:25 xenoclast: it still works 10:07:26 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.212.33] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 10:07:56 xenoclast: not on 1.0.57, granted 10:09:06 but you can use 1.0.57 to build the current version 10:09:09 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-190-225.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:11:45 xenoclast: i have just upgraded my sbcl to master and can confirm that executing fasls works well 10:12:11 This is a neat feature, I didn't know about that yet. :-) 10:12:29 Thanks all, I will do that. 10:20:32 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 10:21:19 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-237-24-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:22:10 -!- theos is now known as Guest95318 10:22:35 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 10:24:01 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:25:43 -!- Guest95318 [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:25:44 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:27:22 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 10:31:09 zRecursive [~czsq888@171.217.83.249] has joined #lisp 10:40:22 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:42:13 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:44:02 -!- nan- [~user@46.197.112.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:55:54 namtsui [~user@108.240.216.189] has joined #lisp 10:57:56 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:58:10 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-190-225.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 10:59:01 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.240.203] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:59:38 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:02:19 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.83.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:03:02 jewel [~jewel@105-237-24-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:07:08 -!- ryoshu [~kamil1212@unaffiliated/ryoshu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:07:22 nan- [~user@46.197.112.126] has joined #lisp 11:10:09 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:16:14 alch___ [~michael@EM117-55-68-47.emobile.ad.jp] has joined #lisp 11:16:33 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.63.49] has joined #lisp 11:17:30 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@171.217.83.249] has left #lisp 11:19:44 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-178-140-78-173.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:23:14 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 11:24:43 -!- dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 11:36:11 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:36:25 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:38:00 -!- eni is now known as albacker 11:38:01 Thra11 [~Thra11@146.90.215.191] has joined #lisp 11:38:16 -!- albacker [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Changing host] 11:38:16 albacker [~eni@unaffiliated/enyx] has joined #lisp 11:38:27 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:38:53 -!- albacker is now known as eni 11:39:52 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-229-140.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:41:45 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-229-140.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 11:42:21 AeroNotix [~xeno@aboa214.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 11:42:46 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@student-247-243.eduroam.uu.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48:01 hsn: Are you looking for a web framework? 11:50:06 gimme rpm 11:50:07 fihi09` [~user@pool-108-27-196-250.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:50:48 francogrex [~user@91.182.136.212] has joined #lisp 11:51:26 hsn: rpm? the package manager? you don't install lisp libraries with apt or rpm, you use quicklisp, since you run the risp of using outdated or broken packages 11:51:39 s/risp/risk 11:51:46 is it really needed to have a t/otherwise statement for cond? What's the use if all conditions are already covered? 11:52:12 -!- SrPx [~SrPx@177.205.224.7.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: SrPx] 11:52:45 redhat is not broken, ubutu is. rpm works 11:53:09 -!- fihi09 [~user@pool-108-27-202-14.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:53:12 SrPx [~SrPx@177.205.224.7.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 11:53:14 *rszeno* all are broken, :) 11:53:16 hsn: distro package managers regardless of origin do a lousy job of handling lisp libraries 11:53:45 hsn: I like the restas framework and have written a tutorial for it http://lispwebtales.ppenev.com/ 11:54:00 hsn: appendix A also includes a guide to installing quicklisp and using it to install lisp libraries 11:54:04 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:54:51 hsn: Other options for web development include using just the hunchentoot web server, or other frameworks like caveman/clack or weblocks 11:55:45 hsn: it is also recomended that you build SBCL yourself, and not rely on rpm to install it, who knows what the package maintainer has done to build it 11:55:52 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:56:32 IOW rpm/apt don't mix well with lisp, accept that 11:57:47 why you broke rpm 11:58:09 frito [~androirc@cpc3-sotn8-2-0-cust345.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 11:58:29 hsn: we didn't. It never worked for lisp in the first place, you can't break it if it didn't work 11:59:14 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-149-222.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:59:23 and by didn't work, I mean, you always want to use packages that are known to compile, and are up to date, distros take forever to update, and lack the level of testing quicklisp gives you. 11:59:36 SrPx_ [~SrPx@177.133.252.42] has joined #lisp 11:59:51 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 12:00:02 -!- BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:00:48 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 12:00:50 -!- SrPx [~SrPx@177.205.224.7.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:00:51 -!- SrPx_ is now known as SrPx 12:01:22 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:01:24 -!- rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:01:29 -!- __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:01:55 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 12:02:03 -!- yesminister [~mariner@99.190.173.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:02:44 hsn: http://www.cliki.net/Web has a list of most lisp web libraries. cliki is an essential resourse for lisp in general 12:03:07 rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has joined #lisp 12:03:23 szkrabik [~szkrabik@213.158.216.170.pat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has joined #lisp 12:06:12 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:06:16 __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:07:07 BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has joined #lisp 12:12:55 Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #lisp 12:13:45 I was wondering whether macro creation could be automized: Let's say I have this example taken from land of lisp (defmacro html (&body body) `(tag html () ,@body)) and now i want to create a dozen of these macros (for html, body, h1, h2, h3, ...). Doing this by hand is non satisfying copy and paste :( 12:14:11 alch____ [~michael@EM117-55-68-140.emobile.ad.jp] has joined #lisp 12:14:28 stat_vi: yes...you can use a macro to make macros 12:14:29 yesminister [~mariner@99.190.173.240] has joined #lisp 12:15:12 why don't you use s-expr instead? 12:15:17 protist: I was trying, but i didn't get the syntax to stick a quoted ",@body" in there 12:15:46 stat_vi: make a macro that takes the tag as an argument and makes a macro....then use that macro in a loop 12:16:06 stat_vi: or make the macro use a loop 12:16:07 -!- alch___ [~michael@EM117-55-68-47.emobile.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:16:08 -!- alch____ is now known as alch___ 12:16:09 stat_vi: sec 12:17:09 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:17:48 -!- alch___ [~michael@EM117-55-68-140.emobile.ad.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 12:18:40 i do not want The Hunchentoot web server for tookit 12:19:45 hsn: pretty much every web framework is built on top of it, you will at least have to know how to get the post parameters from a request, and how to use the session 12:20:35 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:21:02 hsn: As I said, Restas is a pretty good option, and my tutorial covers the latest version in quicklisp, so have fun :) 12:23:14 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 12:23:32 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:24:45 puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 12:30:54 frito_ [~androirc@cpc3-sotn8-2-0-cust345.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 12:30:54 -!- frito [~androirc@cpc3-sotn8-2-0-cust345.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:31:18 -!- frito_ [~androirc@cpc3-sotn8-2-0-cust345.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:31:34 frito_ [~androirc@cpc3-sotn8-2-0-cust345.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 12:32:31 -!- frito_ [~androirc@cpc3-sotn8-2-0-cust345.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:35:27 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 12:36:49 frito_ [~androirc@212.183.128.138] has joined #lisp 12:37:47 -!- volitek [~ollie@176.227.202.17] has left #lisp 12:41:31 -!- frito_ [~androirc@212.183.128.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:42:34 -!- szkrabik [~szkrabik@213.158.216.170.pat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:42:44 jute [~Thunderbi@2.173.40.176] has joined #lisp 12:42:45 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-178-140-78-173.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #lisp 12:44:04 rszeno: What do you mean by "use s-expr instead"? 12:44:19 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:44:38 is it really needed to have a t/otherwise statement for cond? What's the use if all conditions are already covered? 12:45:25 -!- pnpuff [~C6248@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:46:07 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:46:27 Is there a way to overload a predefined function (in my case +,-,*,/) with a method? 12:46:33 jute: no 12:46:50 francogrex: you can't have "otherwise" in any case 12:47:10 "any case" is not a pun 12:47:13 pnpuff [~CMOS@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 12:47:25 and why don't you consult clhs? 12:47:26 clhs cond 12:47:26 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_cond.htm 12:47:29 what I mean is t (not the exact otherwise, but the meaning, the default condition) 12:47:54 T doesn't have any special meaning 12:48:31 francogrex: you don't need t, t also not special. it is just a placeholder that says the test will always pass 12:48:44 it's like the default cond, having all others having failed... 12:49:03 you can use PI instead 12:49:09 nan-: ok so not needed even for "style" reasons 12:49:12 -!- pnpuff [~CMOS@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 12:49:18 svetlyak40wt_ [~svetlyak4@broadband-178-140-78-173.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #lisp 12:49:35 pnpuff [~CMOS@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 12:49:42 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-178-140-78-173.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:54:07 francogrex: not sure what you mean with style reasons. also maybe you think 't' in cond is like 't' or 'otherwise' in case ecase. they are not same 12:58:22 alch___ [~michael@EM117-55-68-140.emobile.ad.jp] has joined #lisp 12:58:41 ejbs [~user@h-138-224.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 12:59:06 ok 12:59:07 -!- eni [~eni@unaffiliated/enyx] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59:56 (cond (pi (+ 2 2))) is much nicer than (cond (t (+ 2 2))) 13:01:26 stat_vi, when you want to generate any murkup element have same structure 'content' plus there is a relation between tags, you can't put a div inside a p for example 13:01:37 stassats: or (cond ((= 2 2) (+ 2 2))) :) 13:01:37 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02:03 so finaly you end with a grammar for the markup, same if you want to parse 13:02:45 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 13:03:38 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:03:40 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:04:04 fihi09`` [~user@pool-108-27-93-200.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:05:35 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:05:42 -!- francogrex [~user@91.182.136.212] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:06:45 -!- fihi09` [~user@pool-108-27-196-250.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:06:55 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@93-80-83-148.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07:43 rszeno: sounds reasonable, but meanwhile i figured out how to defmacro that defmacro, so i'll stick to this now 13:07:49 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:08:02 ok, fine, :) 13:08:43 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 13:09:33 Xach: buildapp does not appear to work with lastest ASDF 13:09:55 asdf:traverse signature changed 13:11:39 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:11:41 -!- jute [~Thunderbi@2.173.40.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:12:10 ah just needed to add &key 13:15:05 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:18:11 I should take that bit out. 13:21:24 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 13:22:49 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.240.203] has joined #lisp 13:24:43 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:25:26 spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 13:25:33 stassats: you could have mentionned to jute that it's possible to shadow cl functions and to define similarly named generic functions instead! 13:25:58 any example would be helpful! 13:26:55 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:27:12 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.189.92] has joined #lisp 13:27:12 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.189.92] has quit [Changing host] 13:27:12 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 13:27:56 -!- Kabaka [kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Excess Flood] 13:29:08 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:29:51 pnpuff: See: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/aa9494a2f0c35f74?hl=en 13:30:27 -!- ejbs [~user@h-138-224.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:30:30 jute [~Thunderbi@2.173.40.176] has joined #lisp 13:31:55 walter|r [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:35:13 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 13:37:48 -!- bjorkintosh [~bjork@ip68-13-229-200.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:30 frito_ [~androirc@optbbe2.uk.access.vodafone.co.uk] has joined #lisp 13:41:57 -!- frito_ [~androirc@optbbe2.uk.access.vodafone.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:42:00 normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 13:42:10 frito_ [~androirc@optbbe2.uk.access.vodafone.co.uk] has joined #lisp 13:43:20 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-229-140.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:44:18 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 13:45:19 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-238-98.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:45:48 s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-238-98.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 13:46:35 Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #lisp 13:47:19 -!- frito_ [~androirc@optbbe2.uk.access.vodafone.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:48:01 -!- Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Excess Flood] 13:48:33 szkrabik [~szkrabik@188.146.168.103.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has joined #lisp 13:48:55 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:49:00 pjb: thanks 13:49:14 Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #lisp 13:50:25 pjb, sorry... why are you linking statically mount and emacs here? http://www.informatimago.com/linux/emacs-on-user-mode-linux.html ? 13:52:17 primenum [~primenum@c-71-231-57-77.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:53:23 nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-194-187.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 13:54:33 -!- hsn [~majitel@205.83.broadband7.iol.cz] has left #lisp 13:55:08 papyrus [afdf3046@gateway/web/freenode/ip.175.223.48.70] has joined #lisp 13:55:39 chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-241-240-138.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:57:02 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-229-140.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 13:57:36 -!- papyrus [afdf3046@gateway/web/freenode/ip.175.223.48.70] has quit [Client Quit] 13:57:47 Kabaka [~Kabaka@equine.vacantminded.com] has joined #lisp 13:57:55 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:58:06 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 13:59:48 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:59:59 -!- nan- [~user@46.197.112.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:24 -!- Amadiro [jonathri@dalvik.ping.uio.no] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:01:14 pnpuff: because after having booted the linux kernel, you need to remount root as read-write. 14:01:20 You may want to do that at least 14:01:58 And statically linking them ensure I don't have to install other libraries, so it's a "pure" emacs system :-) 14:02:02 Amadiro [jonathri@dalvik.ping.uio.no] has joined #lisp 14:02:32 If emacs had FFI, we could just call mount(2), without needing mount(1). 14:02:48 CL has FFI, so in CL we won't need mount(1) :-) 14:03:47 pjb: at the moment I'm failing compiling clisp... anyway are my first trials 14:04:06 and I'm not using UML. 14:04:11 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 14:04:30 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 14:05:29 At the time UML was my main virtual machine engine. Now I would just boot on qemu. 14:06:39 -!- szkrabik [~szkrabik@188.146.168.103.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:06:44 I'm using qemu only to create a virtual hard disk image... 14:07:03 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 14:08:08 ..after I'm using losetup and mount only. 14:09:47 -!- alch___ [~michael@EM117-55-68-140.emobile.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: alch___] 14:10:45 (really even fdisk) 14:11:14 papyrus [afdf3046@gateway/web/freenode/ip.175.223.48.70] has joined #lisp 14:11:20 hi 14:11:24 (defparameter *data1* '(a b c)) 14:11:32 (defparameter *data2* *data1*) 14:11:48 if i change *data1* , *data2* changed. 14:12:35 i want to *data2* not changed . 14:12:55 papyrus: you can change the bindings. But you cannot modify a literal list. 14:13:14 (defparameter *data1* (copy-list '(a b c))) if you want to modify the list. 14:13:34 copy-list ... 14:13:40 But if you want *data2* not changed, then don't change it. 14:13:51 (setf *data1* (remove 'b *data1*)) instead of (delete )! 14:14:01 (push 'd *data1*) 14:14:03 etc. 14:14:11 ok. 14:14:14 Don't change the cons cells, just the binding to the variable. 14:14:45 if i using let to declare *data2* .. ( i am sorry .. my poor english) 14:15:08 (defun test () (let *data2* *data1*) ... 14:15:18 papyrus, http://www.flownet.com/ron/specials.pdf 14:15:31 -!- jute [~Thunderbi@2.173.40.176] has quit [Quit: jute] 14:15:54 when using let . copy-list do not need. let always copy ? 14:16:06 thanks rszeno. i will read it. 14:16:13 papyrus: do you want to modify the cons cells? 14:16:25 Or do you want to modify the binding to *data1*? 14:16:44 hmm... 14:16:51 when you change *data1*, *data2* is NOT changed (unless *data1* is a symbol macro redirecting to *data2*). 14:16:53 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d868d2f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 14:17:43 i am sorry. i cannot understand "symbol macro" 14:18:24 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:18:40 papyrus: don't worry for now, this is technical. 14:19:15 The point is that setting a variable doesn't set another variable. 14:19:35 You must decide what you want to do: modify a variable, or modify the cons cells bound to a variable? 14:20:01 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:20:15 hmm.. thanks pjb. 14:20:20 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:20:35 i need to read more document. 14:20:48 thanks a ton :-) 14:21:37 -!- chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-241-240-138.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:22:00 spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 14:22:09 -!- papyrus [afdf3046@gateway/web/freenode/ip.175.223.48.70] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:23:05 -!- primenum [~primenum@c-71-231-57-77.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] 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Hopefully, quicklisp could run there too eventually? Let's make quicklisp compatible with LISP 1.5! :-) 19:27:55 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:27:59 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@94.234.170.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:28:25 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 19:31:21 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 19:31:41 emerge mcl-5.2.1 :-) 19:32:29 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:32:44 eg0 [~eg0@64.sub-70-211-65.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 19:32:57 chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-241-240-138.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:34:02 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:41:43 -!- jute [~Thunderbi@2.173.40.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:41:58 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-178-140-78-173.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:44:20 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 19:45:52 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 19:49:49 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d868d2f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 19:53:13 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:54:02 -!- agumonkey [~agu@52.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:57:29 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 20:02:40 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:03:52 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:08:11 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@109.58.147.154.bredband.tre.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:09:21 -!- xificurC [~xificurC@adsl-dyn183.78-99-137.t-com.sk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:09:28 nilsi [~nilsi@109.58.147.154.bredband.tre.se] has joined #lisp 20:09:35 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:10:35 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@109.58.147.154.bredband.tre.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:11:18 jute [~Thunderbi@2.173.40.176] has joined #lisp 20:13:00 nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-194-187.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 20:13:07 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-215-44-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:17:30 solvip [~solvip@89-160-141-139.du.xdsl.is] has joined #lisp 20:21:26 pjb: interesting 20:21:58 I keep forgetting it's Sunday, due to the US holiday tomorrow. 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So that was double freshness, thanks. 22:10:12 *until today. 22:10:35 -!- fihi09``` [~user@pool-108-27-87-170.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:10:44 I've always found non-lisper's focus on parenthesis to be irritatingly superficial 22:10:55 Warlock: are you living under a rock? 22:11:03 fihi09``` [~user@pool-108-27-87-170.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:11:43 joshe: But it's a fact. 22:12:05 stassats: there are newborns everyday. 22:12:05 it's like describing the most significant feature of algol-family languages as commas 22:12:24 stassats: Unfortunately, we can't expect newborns to know all we already know. It'd be too easy. 22:12:38 joshe: i thought it was semicolons 22:12:49 ckoch786_ [~quassel@108-70-143-173.lightspeed.toldoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:12:52 joshe: well, it feels like it is. And the importance of having the right spaces before or after the commas even! 22:13:00 stassats: after using lisp for a while, it's just the commas which you notice 22:13:08 and how idiotically unnecessary they are 22:13:14 semicolons trip me up too 22:13:41 I only forget semicolons after doing lots of python 22:13:58 Yes, semicolons are difficult, after lisp where they're just comments. 22:14:31 -!- Sm3lly [~Sm3lly@76-250-64-47.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:14:41 We should hack a paredit-like mode for C, that inserts semicolons automatically. 22:15:38 stassats: No, but that's cool I'll just refrain from posting links, since everyone has seen everything on the internet, apparently. 22:22:42 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 22:22:52 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d868d2f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:26:52 -!- fihi09``` [~user@pool-108-27-87-170.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:28:45 -!- walter|r [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:31:07 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-158-47.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:31:46 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d868d2f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 22:37:50 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 22:38:55 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-222-53-193.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:40:35 Bike [~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:41:42 normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 22:41:44 -!- sz0 [~user@94.55.194.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:41:44 mrrob [~MarbleCak@208.53.158.109] has joined #lisp 22:43:32 -!- ``Erik_ is now known as ``Erik 22:46:42 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.145.103.235] has joined #lisp 22:47:33 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:48:55 -!- mrrob [~MarbleCak@208.53.158.109] has quit [Quit: mrrob] 22:53:54 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:55:13 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has quit [Quit: normanrichards] 22:56:15 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-194-187.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:34 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@c-66-229-185-165.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:08:07 sz0 [~user@94.55.194.230] has joined #lisp 23:09:35 -!- d11wtq [~chris@124-148-163-108.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:11:21 adelgado [~TomSawyer@c-66-229-185-165.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:11:23 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d868d2f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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