00:01:44 https://gitorious.org/trivial-gray-streams/trivial-gray-streams/commit/aa245d382a2bfd24efca41f5a48c89ff8f571898/diffs/937ed69659c089a80a81b2e189ec18cb5115649c 00:01:51 the culprit 00:01:55 do I have to benchmark it, or what is better at this point? 00:03:22 *|3b|* would probably benchmark if it mattered, and possibly try to avoid going through the gray-streams layers in the first place 00:05:08 so indeed, 3b, you were right.. incompatible change to tgs broke everything :( 00:05:35 joast [~rick@76.178.135.192] has joined #lisp 00:07:08 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@176.199.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 00:07:37 ckoch786_ [~quassel@108-70-143-173.lightspeed.toldoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 00:10:12 -!- PuercoPop [PuercoPop@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:feae:c11b] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:14:37 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:16:18 miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined 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Switch to Celcius! 18:53:09 maybe there is an automake test suite in progress.. 18:53:22 nug700 [~nug700@184-98-120-129.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:54:08 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:55:16 -!- nug700 [~nug700@184-98-120-129.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:58:05 -!- EvW [~Thunderbi@a82-92-190-215.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:58:08 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-195-147-108.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:58:44 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 18:58:56 nug700 [~nug700@184-98-120-129.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:59:26 is there any standard glibc function that would free a **ptr, setting it to null? 18:59:39 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 18:59:47 would like to implement zero-copy in mq, but it calls it from non-lisp threads.. 18:59:55 or in iolib actually? 19:02:28 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-133-61.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:04:48 EvW [~Thunderbi@a82-92-190-215.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 19:14:56 anyone has experience installing newLISP on scientific linux? 19:16:26 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 19:17:57 ch077179: why newlisp? there are a lot of Common Lisp implementations: http://www.cliki.net/Common%20Lisp%20implementation 19:18:35 I wanted to take a look... 19:19:12 supposedly it's a single rpm, already on version 10. I was wondering why the red hat family doesn't provide it somehow 19:20:55 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:21:15 ch077179: newlisp is very offtopic here 19:21:38 any mention of it causes great distress 19:22:10 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.99.148] has joined #lisp 19:23:00 Well, just like if somebody launched a startup to build the next great computer, and you realized they were about to build miniaturized Babagge analitical engines. 19:23:02 -!- szkrabik [~szkrabik@188.147.152.62.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:23:20 And even, working miniaturized analitical engines would be cool, but not newlisp. 19:23:50 let's not discuss how uncool newlisp is, it's been done to death many times already 19:24:22 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 19:24:48 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-108-48-74-4.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 19:27:38 szkrabik [~szkrabik@188.147.152.62.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has joined #lisp 19:28:05 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.240.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:31:44 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:31:59 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d0037ca.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:32:08 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 19:34:50 jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has joined #lisp 19:36:06 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:39:03 ch077179: there are many package managenment techniques... don't be too limited in your choice (as red hat does) 19:39:23 anyway this maybe is an OT, so sorry... 19:41:18 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.240.203] has joined #lisp 19:47:31 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 19:49:00 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 19:49:14 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:53:22 nug700_ [~nug700@174-19-140-10.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:53:27 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:54:31 -!- nug700 [~nug700@184-98-120-129.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:54:48 LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-133-61.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:56:27 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d8593d2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:58:55 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d8593d2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 19:59:16 -!- gmcastil [~user@75-166-221-214.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:01:33 -!- szkrabik [~szkrabik@188.147.152.62.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:06:05 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-133-61.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:07:55 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:07:56 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.92.207] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:11:11 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:13:19 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 20:14:23 szkrabik [~szkrabik@188.147.152.62.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has joined #lisp 20:18:18 bitonic [~user@176.251.47.207] has joined #lisp 20:18:47 jocke_pirat [~kgarricks@c-75-73-84-128.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:19:34 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 20:19:55 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.240.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:23:47 -!- ch077179 [~ch077179@unaffiliated/ch077179] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:24:14 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:26:27 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 20:28:04 -!- szkrabik [~szkrabik@188.147.152.62.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:28:53 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-029-113.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:29:10 szkrabik [~szkrabik@188.147.152.62.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has joined #lisp 20:30:26 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d8593d2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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Is it recommended to convert? 20:57:45 sure 20:57:51 but most importantly Just Write Code 20:58:16 Fluency by immersion, I suppose. What's the Emacs command for that tutorial? 20:58:28 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-168-124.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 20:58:35 emacs won't immerse you 20:59:17 sickle: the emacs start buffer has it, but C-h t 20:59:21 Quadrescence: I was referring to lisp. I want to know the emacs tutorial 20:59:29 Bike: Fantastic, thank you. 20:59:58 sickle, i was saying, using emacs won't immerse you in lisp any more than a typewriter will 21:00:05 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d8593d2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:00:17 Quadrescence: I see. 21:00:26 sickle: although i prefer emacs, and i have switched from vim to emacs for lisp, there are modes which let you do lisp in emacs. some even claim that not using emacs is not a big deal. 21:00:46 s/let you do lisp in emacs/let you do lisp in vim/ 21:00:58 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 21:01:20 nan- [~user@46.197.112.126] has joined #lisp 21:01:22 madnificent: surely they're both good enough, but I figured if I have no major preference I may as well start in emacs now 21:01:59 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 21:05:05 sickle: watch the videos at www.emacsrocks.com 21:05:52 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d8593d2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 21:07:04 -!- bitonic [~user@176.251.47.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:09:19 kennyheaton [~kheaton@mta-76-176-47-220.san.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:09:49 sickle: http://common-lisp.net/project/slime/ (there is an interesting Baringer's video) 21:10:41 fraya [~fraya@139.55.18.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 21:11:42 sickle: of course, SLIME is a great Superior Lisp Interaction Mode for Lisp 21:11:54 i was wondering if i could just do (map nil fn2 (setf seq (delete-if fn1 seq))) instead of (setf seq (delete-if fn1 seq)) (map nil fn2 seq) but CLHS a bit cryptic on this one (well for me). setq clear as it says it returns the primary value of last form. 21:12:15 sickle: in absent of preference, emacs should likely be your editor of choice for lisp. do keep in mind that emacs is another beast to learn, so it may be a bit overwelming at first. 21:12:36 -!- fraya [~fraya@139.55.18.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 21:12:39 bitonic [~user@176.251.47.207] has joined #lisp 21:12:43 nan-: that setf form will return the new value of seq if that's what you're wondering 21:12:50 I'm sorry ... interaction mode for *Emacs* 21:13:25 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d8593d2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:13:37 interesting, thank you all 21:13:55 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 21:14:34 Bike: yes and is what i am doing looks right? thanks 21:14:51 nan-: it looks weird stylistically, but valid 21:15:37 sickle: also, whatever you read about installing lisp libraries, these days it's done by quicklisp. if you read something else, you still want quicklisp. and quicklisp has a helper for installing slime as well :) 21:15:57 Bike: how would you do that? :) 21:16:14 madnificent: I can't wait. Lisp is very interesting, I'd like to master it. 21:16:15 nan-: i'd just do the setf and map as two different forms 21:16:42 Bike: the form i was trying to replace i think 21:17:16 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-240-185.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:19:17 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 21:19:46 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d8593d2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 21:20:40 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 21:22:25 sickle: I'm in the middle of pcl after 4months, taking it slowly. I only knew Java really well and can vouch for emacs+slime, in Ubuntu slime is in the software center! 21:25:06 sickle: no need to install it via software center, depending a distro. just install emacs + a CL implementation, then go to quicklisp website and follow the instructions, extremely easy to install everything that way. 21:25:43 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:25:46 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-240-185.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:26:05 -!- walter|r [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:26:17 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d8593d2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 21:27:10 -!- jocke_pirat [~kgarricks@c-75-73-84-128.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: jocke_pirat] 21:27:41 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-187-232.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:27:51 sickle: you'll eventually use quicklisp to install things anyway. 21:32:27 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-172-217.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:34:17 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-168-124.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:36:45 youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 21:37:28 (make-array (cons 1 2)) 21:37:32 wups, soz 21:37:59 szkrabik [~szkrabik@37.30.249.43.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has joined #lisp 21:38:43 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-133-61.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:38:44 -!- primenum [~primenum@c-71-231-57-77.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 21:39:12 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.240.203] has joined #lisp 21:45:34 -!- szkrabik [~szkrabik@37.30.249.43.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:45:46 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:50:26 LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-133-61.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:51:18 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 21:55:49 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:55:56 on sbcl-1.1.7: (make-array (list (cons 1 (list 2)))) --> The value (1 2) is not of type (MOD 4611686018427387901). ??? 21:56:09 what means the error message? 21:56:48 pnpuff, the argument to make array should be a number between 0 and 46. 21:56:58 or a list of such numbers. 21:57:01 yes 21:57:06 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-190-225.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:57:13 and (1 2), inside that list, is not one of those numbers 21:57:27 (make-array (cons 1 (list 2))) 21:57:56 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 21:57:58 Bike_ [~Glossina@67-5-243-199.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:58:21 but the message does not mean that :) 21:58:25 -!- Bike [~Glossina@75-175-75-143.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:58:28 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 21:58:47 the message is a bit unclear but perfectly reasonable 21:58:58 the message is wrong. 21:59:00 since you passed a list, it checked the type of the first element of the list, and found it wanting, so that's what it reported 21:59:07 no, it's correct 21:59:20 so what means (mod 1) ? 21:59:27 clhs mod/t 21:59:27 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/t_mod.htm 21:59:41 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-190-225.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 22:00:43 basically, a valid array length. 22:02:45 -!- gmcastil [~user@LTTNCOMADS0AE07.mcleodusa.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:03:08 (mod 1) is a valid array length? 22:03:23 -!- agumonkey [~agu@52.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:03:28 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-240-185.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:03:37 gmcastil [~user@LTTNCOMADS0AE07.mcleodusa.net] has joined #lisp 22:03:39 maybe (mod 0 1) yes :) 22:04:28 -!- sickle [~tooltipt1@pool-173-76-131-183.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: (The tombstone will be my diploma)] 22:05:01 no, there's an upper bound 22:06:02 jute [~Thunderbi@2.173.40.176] has joined #lisp 22:06:06 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.99.148] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:07:23 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 22:08:06 Bike_ [~Glossina@71-214-85-197.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:08:53 Bike_: so MOD does not means modulo, but is even a type specifier. I do not understand... 22:09:23 -!- Artheist [~quassel@bas11-montreal28-1279577991.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:09:30 senj [~senj@S01060026f3e14440.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 22:10:17 daydreamt [~d@nat-wh-wbr.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #lisp 22:10:29 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-243-199.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:10:31 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 22:10:46 pnpuff: (mod x) is the type of integers mod x 22:11:08 pnpuff: e.g. (mod 4) is {0, 1, 2, 3} 22:11:13 -!- jute [~Thunderbi@2.173.40.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:12:04 -!- Houl [~Parmi@unaffiliated/houl] has quit [Quit: weil das Wetter so schön ist] 22:12:07 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:12:21 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:12:58 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.240.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:13:25 pnpuff: i guess you meant *not only means*. it is detailed in both clhs and cltl 22:15:53 -!- kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:16:59 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:14 -!- k-stz [~user@HSI-KBW-095-208-250-203.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:45 -!- hiato [~hiato@196-215-175-165.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:19:18 Bike: sorry, but mod x is the type of integers mod x , mod functions requires two arguments, so the syntax is (mod x y). Why are you referring to (mod x) as a type specifier? 22:19:30 hiato [~hiato@196-215-175-165.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 22:19:35 because that's the syntax of the type specifier? 22:19:36 pnpuff, MOD is a type and a function 22:19:51 i linked the clhs page on said specifier so you could find this out for yourself 22:20:50 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 22:22:21 Bike: on http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/t_mod.htm I read " The symbol mod is not valid as a type specifier. " anyway if you can explain is better 22:22:39 I do not understand the meaning... 22:22:47 really nothing. 22:22:50 pnpuff: that means mod by itself 22:23:00 the list (mod #) where # is a number is a type specifier, but just mod isn't 22:23:03 (declare (type mod x)) is invalid 22:23:11 (declare (type (mod 8) x)) is valid 22:24:26 which function could do (fn #'oddp '(1 2 3 4 5 6)) => (1 3 5) (2 4 6)? split-sequence (cl-utilities) and remove### is not it. 22:24:51 Quadrescence: thanks 22:25:03 naw is a bit more clear 22:25:06 nan-, you could hack something together using remove-if and remove-if-not 22:25:21 pnpuff, presumably you realize that (list (cons 1 (list 2))) is equivalent to '((1 2)), which isn't a list of numbers and is making make-array cranky. It get's cranky when it checks what it expects is a list of integers for actually being integers. But it's sad to discover that the first dimension is the list (1 2) rather than an integer. It discovered this doing a type check. Just to amuse us all SBCL decided to check against the type ( 22:25:22 4). It was clever to do that because it could check that the dimension was reasonable; but it was cruel because you got that amusing error. 22:25:31 nan-, (defun partition-if (f list) (list (remove-if f list) (remove-if-not f list))) 22:25:45 or the reverse order if you prefer 22:26:44 bhyde: :) good! 22:26:45 Quadrescence: but that would walk the sequence 2 times 22:26:58 nan-: yeah, there's no standard function for what you mean, that i know of 22:27:33 AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@99-136-83-34.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:28:17 ok thanks 22:28:21 nan-, is that a bottleneck? 22:28:28 another way is to use http://paste.lisp.org/display/137312 22:29:00 clearly should be generalized into forming equivalence classes :P 22:29:52 Quadrescence: why (declare (type (mod 8) x)) is valid ? 22:30:05 pnpuff, , i think you should read a book now 22:30:13 because (mod 8) is a type specifier designating the type of positive integers {0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7} 22:30:20 this is really, really obvious from what we've been saying and linking 22:31:22 Bike: sure, but I get: invalid number of arguments: 1 22:31:31 so what book I have to read? 22:31:31 yes it's a type specifier not a function 22:31:41 those are different things 22:31:44 the CLHS 22:32:01 Quadrescence: not bottleneck. it just looked as an obvious function but i couldn't figure it out :) 22:33:10 Bike: could you paste me some links about articles/books on the topic please? 22:33:41 pnpuff: both clhs and cltl2 pretty good at explaining that 22:33:43 clhs 4 22:33:43 Types and Classes: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/04_.htm 22:33:46 there you go 22:34:57 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-149-222.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 22:36:19 while you are at it, most stealthy thing about types IMO is/was (array n) vs (array (n)) 22:37:50 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-229-140.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:42:17 Bike, http://paste.lisp.org/display/137312#1 22:43:15 :) 22:43:49 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-190-225.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:43:51 fan-cy 22:52:56 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 22:53:43 -!- pnpuff [~C6248@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:55:14 pyx [~pyx@24.212.148.106] has joined #lisp 22:55:36 -!- pyx [~pyx@24.212.148.106] has quit [Client Quit] 22:57:07 nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-194-187.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 22:57:42 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:58:14 catmtking [~catmtking@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:59:37 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:07:21 -!- astertronistic [~astertron@ip70-181-235-122.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:07:31 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-240-185.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:08:18 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-190-225.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 23:09:18 setmeaway [setmeaway3@119.201.52.138] has joined #lisp 23:11:05 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 23:14:13 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-190-225.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:15:00 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:15:41 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:19:20 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 23:23:32 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-133-61.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:29:26 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@aboa214.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 23:31:46 -!- kennyheaton [~kheaton@mta-76-176-47-220.san.rr.com] has quit [Quit: kennyheaton] 23:32:17 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 23:34:30 -!- bioevolgenec [~bioevolge@unaffiliated/bioevolgenec] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:35:04 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:37:22 -!- bitonic [~user@176.251.47.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:42:58 -!- senj [~senj@S01060026f3e14440.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: senj] 23:43:01 -!- hiato [~hiato@196-215-175-165.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Quit: Nothing so gives the illusion of intelligence as personal association with large sums.] 23:45:42 - 23:46:01 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 23:47:08 bitonic [~user@97e10352.skybroadband.com] has joined #lisp 23:48:50 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c1200.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:49:01 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-240-185.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:55:10 -!- bitonic [~user@97e10352.skybroadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:56:31 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@CPE-121-218-78-1.lnse4.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 23:56:40 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull