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silkwood [a46f81e8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.111.129.232] has joined #lisp 02:33:22 I am fairly new to common lisp. Can I get suggestions on how to write this in a better way? http://paste.lisp.org/display/137247 02:34:11 Im doing the same thing a lot. There has to be a way to at least cut down on the repetition 02:35:11 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:35:12 seifuku_aken [~aken@li227-80.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 02:37:01 kanru` [~kanru@118-163-10-190.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 02:37:05 silkwood: we have these things called loops. 02:37:57 how would you recommend using a loop in this situation?.. 02:38:34 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:44:44 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:46:54 ckoch__ [~cory@cpe-98-27-140-191.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:48:56 ISF [~ivan@187.106.36.28] has joined #lisp 02:52:00 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@108-225-26-178.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:53:22 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:55:18 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@60-241-66-29.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:56:58 seifuku_1ken [~aken@li227-80.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 02:57:58 -!- seifuku_1ken [~aken@li227-80.members.linode.com] has quit [Client Quit] 02:58:21 -!- seifuku_aken [~aken@li227-80.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 03:02:46 seifuku_aken [~aken@li227-80.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 03:07:21 -!- miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:08:10 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 03:08:41 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 03:10:09 Sorry for the really basic question but I'm cleaning up some old code - is it valid to have a lambda expression as the head of a form in CL? Eg: ((lambda (x) (+ 3 x)) 10) 03:10:22 yeah, it's specially allowed. 03:10:39 What does specially allowed mean? 03:11:08 Um, I just mean it says something like that the head has to be a symbol or a lambda expression. 03:11:59 clhs 3.1.2.1.2.4 03:11:59 Lambda Forms: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/03_ababd.htm 03:12:15 Ok, I haven't seen any example code like that anywhere and I was about to rip it out of my interpreter because my EVAL interpreter is using too much stack space. 03:12:42 it's not common. i think Xach did a survey to find people using it, once. 03:12:48 foobar_ [72fbbc63@gateway/web/freenode/ip.114.251.188.99] has joined #lisp 03:13:15 Got it - good thing I asked - I was about to rip it out. 03:14:13 I'm running into a problem that my slow, s-exp walking interpreter requires way too much stack space when it starts compiling code (>15MB) and it's overflowing the stack. 03:14:46 -!- pierpa [~user@host63-105-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:15:24 I only need it for bootstrapping but it's getting in my way. 03:15:34 silkwood, is a homework? 03:15:49 no 03:16:04 it sometimes happens with macros. You're only allowed a function name, so you pass a lambda expression in. 03:17:37 -!- paddymahoney [~patrick@198-84-186-52.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:18:05 -!- youlysses is now known as youlysses_zzz 03:18:56 its out of interest :P 03:18:58 -!- ManAmongHippos [8a1a4027@gateway/web/freenode/ip.138.26.64.39] has left #lisp 03:19:20 ManAmongHippos [8a1a4027@gateway/web/freenode/ip.138.26.64.39] has joined #lisp 03:19:33 -!- Hydan [~hydan@ip-89-103-110-5.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:20:14 your code is working? i mean it do what you want? 03:20:48 yes 03:21:12 i am tokenizing a lisp like language 03:21:22 ok, then what you need is to rewrite it preserving functionality 03:21:40 yes 03:22:23 look to what is repeted and write new defuns for that parts 03:23:33 paddymahoney [~patrick@198-84-186-52.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 03:25:41 silkwood, you can use something like this to define pairs regex tokens 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Ugh I should have just tried it 04:53:45 thanks for telling me :D 04:54:47 Sean-Der: http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/beyond-exception-handling-conditions-and-restarts.html 04:55:57 thanks! 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Or do people restart their CL instance when updated code needs to be deployed 09:03:32 -!- otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:04:33 I've done both. For web stuffed I decided that having something like nginx that lets me failover to a new instance seemed like the most sustainable system. 09:05:38 nightfly: okay, that sounds reasonable. 09:06:23 for the other option, live, in-place code replacement, i've found that I can't simply asdf load the system again, any recommendations on how to achieve it? 09:06:53 sorry, never had to deal with that 09:07:01 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 09:07:57 Thra11 [~Thra11@146.90.101.11] has joined #lisp 09:08:00 nightfly: np thx! 09:08:16 -!- theos is now known as Guest57591 09:08:46 benkard [~benkard@dhcp-138-246-84-210.dynamic.eduroam.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 09:08:46 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 09:09:57 -!- Guest57591 [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:10:46 harish [~harish@cm32.zeta224.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #lisp 09:12:33 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 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sense... 09:21:34 also DEFVAR vs. DEFPARAMETER 09:21:52 jdz: i'm fairly confused on the difference...use defvar? 09:22:09 -!- benkard [~benkard@dhcp-138-246-84-210.dynamic.eduroam.mwn.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:22:25 fenton: no, use what's needed 09:22:42 dnolen` [~user@80.232.109.46] has joined #lisp 09:23:16 DEFPARAMETER will always overwrite the binding, whereas DEFVAR will only do it if the variable is not bound already 09:23:19 Harag: question about quicklisp, isn't that only a place for community accepted libraries? what if you have something very bespoke that you can't imagine anyone else using...shouldn't use quicklisp in that case right? 09:23:35 so when loading the same code again, DEFVARS will not change existing bindings 09:23:52 jdz: ahhhhh 09:24:07 interesting. 09:24:08 fenton: basically you have to be careful about top-level forms and what they do when re-loading code 09:24:37 jdz: ok, thats good advice...i think i'm getting clearer on how to do it. 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Can anyone think of a good way to implement what I could call a "stream transformer", a function F mapping streams to streams (like sed). The only way I can think of is to maybe use gray streams 11:27:28 does it have to be real streams? 11:28:05 being more of a curiosity, no it doesnt' 11:28:09 n't* 11:28:31 using gray streams for this sounds right 11:28:56 you need gray streams only if you want to support the streams protocol 11:29:50 if you just want to use it as an abstraction, you can have your own "streams" 11:30:11 stassats, the rough idea i had is to lift a stream to a hypothetical transformable-stream, and then transform functions are just automorphisms in that domain 11:30:14 I assumed he wants something like (make-transforming-output-stream ) ==> 11:30:41 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:30:58 that's why asked whether they have to be real streams 11:31:18 if you want to work on the actual streams, then gray streams is the way to go indeed 11:32:55 abhinav [~abhinav@nat/cisco/x-jgfrtdgobhnjmryc] has joined #lisp 11:32:58 but if you're not going to chain them, then you can just use functions which call read-byte/read-char 11:33:50 yes 11:33:51 stassats: there are more cases where you'd want something like that 11:34:00 -!- johnc [~johnc@61.135.169.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:34:38 for example I have a case-translating-stream for my out macro 11:38:21 johnc [~johnc@61.135.169.73] has joined #lisp 11:39:21 Harag [~Thunderbi@41-135-197-102.dsl.mweb.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:42:27 rgrau [~user@80.Red-83-39-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 11:43:14 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 11:43:30 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@182.139.87.146] has left #lisp 11:45:42 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:47:19 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:47:21 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 11:47:37 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:48:34 Mon_Ouie 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So i thought re-evaluate-defvar will also work from same place. But you need to put point after whole (defvar ...), then it works 16:09:43 maxm: that doesn't sound right 16:10:09 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:10:25 of course, i haven't ever used it directly 16:10:34 how do you use it? 16:10:42 C-M-x 16:10:47 aka slime-eval-defun 16:11:18 oh, i did no realize it will do that, i thought it just submits (defvar *) to lisp 16:11:24 ok, prob solved then 16:11:48 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-108-48-74-4.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:11:54 C-M-x works like that for emacs lisp as well 16:11:57 the case of "surprisingly worked better then I thought it did" :-) 16:12:16 for some older emacs incarnations as well 16:12:44 whist [~whist@c-98-232-204-76.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:14:29 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 16:14:37 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-108-192-103-248.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:15:49 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.35.177] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 16:17:23 hmm iolib never got converted to :bare struct thing from cffi? 16:17:52 *maxm* trying to temporary get rid of so many "top of git" versions in ~/quicklisp/local-projects/ 16:18:18 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 16:20:03 heh iolib from github says need asdf 2.31 16:20:10 maxm: of course it has 16:20:42 I did the conversion long time ago 16:21:10 hmm my asdf comes from tip of SBCL contrib/asdf, whats the right way to get the better one? 16:21:15 without screwing stuff up much? 16:22:31 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22:35 overwrite the one in SBCL with http://common-lisp.net/project/asdf/asdf.lisp 16:22:37 and recompile 16:23:20 benkard [~benkard@dhcp-138-246-85-249.dynamic.eduroam.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 16:24:00 milanj [~milanj@82.117.199.26] has joined #lisp 16:24:50 eldariof [~CLD@188.168.242.178] has joined #lisp 16:25:41 Lis [~Lis@p3E9E9598.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 16:25:43 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-236-226.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:25:55 hello everyone 16:31:41 nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-213-240.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 16:35:53 -!- benkard [~benkard@dhcp-138-246-85-249.dynamic.eduroam.mwn.de] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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17:12:51 errno is the most platform specific variable on the planet. :) 17:13:07 actually no, I thought fs meant the segnment register 17:14:13 on linux, you might note # define errno (*__errno_location ()) 17:14:17 it's not even required to be a variable 17:14:41 (because errno being thread-local far predates thread-local storage support in the compiler) 17:14:49 just an expression that the compiler allows as lvalue and rvalue 17:15:02 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.221.3] has joined #lisp 17:15:04 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@gw-s1-p-nat.scc.losrios.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:15:29 foom: yes i know, but I thought cffi access it by address.. 17:15:35 -!- whist [~whist@c-98-232-204-76.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:15:41 ok it seems it calls for address every time var is accessed 17:15:45 cffi doesn't touch errno 17:16:05 http://i.imgur.com/1KU3hum.png 17:16:28 I was just surprised that (defcvar errno :int) seems to be thread local 17:16:34 Bike [~Glossina@71-214-81-94.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:16:38 maxm: I think you're mistaken 17:16:44 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:16:46 see above screenshot 17:17:07 whist [~whist@c-98-232-204-76.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:17:37 glibc probably has a backwards-compatibility hack whereby there's a global ELF symbol named "errno" 17:17:49 yea its probably glibc hack 17:17:49 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 17:17:51 leo2007 [~leo@119.161.133.157] has joined #lisp 17:17:59 *maxm* just does not like to rely on something I don't understand 17:18:06 leads to subtle bugs quickly 17:18:53 maxm: if you depend on iolib just use iolib/syscalls:errno 17:19:24 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:19:35 that binds to a wrapper in libfixposix 17:20:14 przl [~przlrkt@p5B298D1D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 17:20:16 Oh, yes, glibc does have a real TLS symbol named errno now. 17:20:30 if cffi knows about tls variables automatically, then that can work 17:21:38 cffi only uses the underlying FFI, which I'd expect to be a simple call to dlsym 17:22:16 i traced it to (sb-alien::dlsym sb-impl::*runtime-dlhandle* "errno" ) 17:22:21 returning diff addresses in diff threads 17:22:35 so its indeed glibc 17:22:57 interesting 17:23:08 I didn't know about TLS symbols 17:23:29 fe[nl]ix: does iolib one definitely uses the errno.h (ie if its a macro for thread local one, it will be using it) 17:23:45 Anyways, despite it working on glibc, that's definitely not portable. 17:23:57 The only correct way to use errno is via #include 17:24:10 maxm: yes, so what foom says 17:24:12 i wonder why does (defcvar) always goes through getting an address 17:24:16 instead of caching it 17:24:17 unless glibc-only is enough for you 17:24:33 All C FFI layers really ought to expose that explicitly, because everyone needs it. 17:24:34 its like 2 unlikely things working, result in correct behaviour :-) 17:24:36 But they so often don't 17:25:06 ok cool 17:25:23 e.g. ctypes in python only very recently grew the ability to do that. 17:25:28 btw if you doing zmq stuff, pzmq is definitely one to go with, rest are screwy or won't load 17:25:59 that's one reason why I'd like to make libfixposix wrap syscalls directly 17:26:00 at least according to my testing. 17:26:12 and return the error number bypassing errno 17:26:50 fe[nl]ix: why, when exposing errno is a useful and good thing to do anyways? 17:27:33 maybe cffi out to expose it 17:27:39 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 17:27:44 there is sb-alien:get-errno 17:27:58 but iolib is fine too 17:28:50 foom: it's faster, or maybe just for the fun of it 17:30:37 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-192-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 17:30:38 purely ęsthetic reasons 17:31:44 coz errno is extremely important in doing syrchornization correctly, due to EINTR/EAGAIN mechasim 17:31:53 mechanism 17:32:10 maxm: what ? 17:33:10 when thread is blocked in a syscalls, and there is a signal, syscall returns EINTR and got to be restarted.. its basic unix i think no? 17:33:42 -!- davazp [~user@31.200.140.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:34:03 and you can't control signals in a big app with tons of libraries.. There could be child procsess, alarms, profilers all kind of stuff 17:34:23 and blocking signals while blocked, leads to bad design, unkillable threads, and stuff 17:34:26 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 17:34:44 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 17:38:27 axion [~axion@lngdnd-ai02-74-214-211-129.utma.com] has joined #lisp 17:38:55 benkard [~benkard@dhcp-138-246-104-195.dynamic.eduroam.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 17:42:57 -!- lanthan [~quassel@p2003005F2B1AC801021F16FFFE36871C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:43:58 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:44:29 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #lisp 17:45:01 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:48:22 Yes, that is ensadenning. Everyone should just use SA_RESTART already, but sooo many people don't. 17:48:44 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 17:50:03 foom: that doesn't work with all syscalls 17:50:46 I think it works with all the ones that aren't expected to be looped in any case (e.g. select, poll, epoll) 17:50:57 fe[nl]ix, can we make it a weekend project to get iolib working on darwin os x apple mac lion bear 17:51:21 foom: it's OS-dependent whether or not it works with the syscalls you mentioned 17:51:46 because they all take a relative timeout which would need to be recalculated 17:52:10 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:52:22 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-148-78.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:52:24 posix says it's impl defined for select, but not for poll 17:52:24 Sorry, I couldn't find anything for says it's impl defined for select, but not for poll. 17:52:37 hahaha 17:53:30 Quadrescence: I don't have an Apple machine 17:53:34 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@41-135-197-102.dsl.mweb.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:53:51 Harag [~Thunderbi@41-135-197-102.dsl.mweb.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:53:54 fe[nl]ix, you have the knowhow 17:54:06 fe[nl]ix, and i can give you ssh 17:55:15 then remind me this Saturday 17:55:21 haha, actually, posix says (by omission) that poll always restarts on signals. 17:55:37 foom: link ? 17:56:05 http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/sigaction.html 17:56:09 description of SA_RESTART 17:56:11 and http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/poll.html 17:56:25 no "otherwise specified" 17:57:23 "the duration of the timeout following the restart is set to an unspecified value that does not exceed the original timeout value" 17:57:28 it don't like how it sounds 17:57:34 no. 17:57:48 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@108-225-26-178.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:58:07 that would be stupidly broken to restart a function with the original timeout. 17:58:22 given that it's allowed by posix, I have to assume some ancient broken OS actually does that. 17:58:28 indeed :D 17:58:46 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:59:58 or to allow unlucky sequences like: syscall / signal within < time quantum / end of timeslice. 18:01:03 anything's better than darwin's update-with-a-negative-timeout behaviour. 18:01:08 dnolen` [~user@80.232.109.46] has joined #lisp 18:01:27 I can imagine an unfortunate use of SIGALRM that causes a syscall to loop forever even with finite timeout 18:02:13 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.161.133.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:04:26 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:05:20 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 18:06:42 IIRC there were talks among Linux devs of adding a flags parameter to syscalls that take a timeout and allow absolute CLOCK_MONOTONIC timeouts 18:06:50 but nothing came out of it 18:08:11 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:10:10 -!- strobegen [~strobegen@64.120.223.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:10:35 -!- benkard [~benkard@dhcp-138-246-104-195.dynamic.eduroam.mwn.de] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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How can I change this? 21:29:27 hiato [~hiato@196-215-175-165.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 21:30:41 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:30:48 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:31:45 youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 21:32:41 In Common Lisp, throw isn't used to signal errors. 21:32:59 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@aboc52.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 21:33:41 it's a robot arm control function, be careful! 21:34:32 PUNCH 21:34:46 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:34:47 -!- whist [~whist@c-98-232-204-76.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:35:36 g06|in [~anonymous@c-24-18-207-158.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:35:49 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d012407.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:38:20 Strigoides [~owen@114-134-0-113.lightwire.co.nz] has joined #lisp 21:39:25 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:39:35 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:42:56 davazp [~user@92.251.175.178.threembb.ie] has joined #lisp 21:44:03 d4gg4d [uid7020@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-khbltpqhkeujwpgn] has joined #lisp 21:47:39 milanj [~milanj@cable-94-189-145-213.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 21:49:16 |3b|: both actually :-) 21:49:40 But yes, the 16-bit BOM is very strange in a 32-bit stream, if it was a 32-bit stream or vector 21:49:57 <|3b|> well, you can ask it not to add the BOM, not sure if you can just get the number directly instead of octets though 21:50:06 *|3b|* suspects it is a 32 bit bom 21:50:10 NimeshNeema [uid2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gjbztzruwgocsgxg] has joined #lisp 21:51:02 Oh right, it was 32-bit a bom: (babel:string-to-octets "é" :encoding :utf-32) --> #(255 254 0 0 233 0 0 0) 21:51:28 <|3b|> looks like it doesn't add bom if you specify :utf-32le or :utf-32be, or you can pass :use-bom nil 21:51:40 Ok, thanks. That should do. 21:53:25 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.175.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:53:29 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-214-84-201.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:54:00 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 21:54:56 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-223-95.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:55:29 *|3b|* wonders if babel actually does any translation or assumes char-code is code point 21:55:59 _veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:55:59 -!- _veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:55:59 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 21:56:18 It uses babel-encodings, I think there are explicit encoding tables, but perhaps it optimizes it on implementations that have unicode in char-code/code-char. 21:56:42 or some other conversion function such as #+clisp ext:convert-string-to/from-bytes 21:58:14 -!- wheelsucker [~user@168.114.240.151] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:58:24 -!- Thra11 [~Thra11@146.90.101.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:00:41 timepilot [~timepilot@66.71.231.203] has joined #lisp 22:01:55 -!- phadthai_ is now known as phadthai 22:02:24 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-160-184.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:04:19 bitonic [~user@94.0.211.231] has joined #lisp 22:04:45 ISF [~ivan@187.106.36.28] has joined #lisp 22:10:18 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:11:04 -!- nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@wsip-68-15-43-240.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:11:22 miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:11:45 -!- timepilot [~timepilot@66.71.231.203] has quit [Quit: timepilot] 22:12:39 Thra11 [~Thra11@87.112.159.216] has joined #lisp 22:13:38 -!- derrida [~derrida-f@unaffiliated/deleuze] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:13:52 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Quit: bye] 22:13:53 -!- Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@177.224.210.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:14:55 nug700 [~nug700@184-98-125-59.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:16:21 -!- kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has quit [] 22:16:42 derrida [~derrida-f@unaffiliated/deleuze] has joined #lisp 22:16:50 -!- miah [~miah@archserver/trusteduser/miah] has quit [Quit: Derpops!] 22:17:18 -!- nug700_ [~nug700@174-19-133-229.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:17:38 -!- Codynyx_ [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:17:58 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 22:18:17 -!- toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:38 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 22:18:48 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:20:09 -!- fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Quit: fsvehla] 22:21:22 -!- miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:22:14 lowerkey [~user@dslb-088-065-102-162.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 22:22:31 Good Evening 22:23:33 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-213-240.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:07 Do any of you know of lisp to javascript compilers? 22:24:19 (Not trying to start a flame war. Really!) 22:24:22 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:24:34 jscl? 22:24:51 Thanks! 22:26:03 -!- lowerkey [~user@dslb-088-065-102-162.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #lisp 22:27:52 -!- Vutral is now known as Fortuna 22:28:34 _veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:28:34 -!- _veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:28:34 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 22:29:54 Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@187.208.208.254] has joined #lisp 22:31:43 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:32:44 paddymahoney [~patrick@198-84-186-52.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 22:33:59 Otherwise, there's parenscript. 22:34:02 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.99.148] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:37:49 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-236-226.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:38:27 edgar-rft 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