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I'm sure this comes up often, but I can't seem to find any solutions in all my searching. How do I install trivial-gray-streams when it depends on itself? 01:09:48 -!- _main_0 [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [K-Lined] 01:15:32 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.25.200] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:16:20 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 01:16:25 __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:16:32 cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.25.200] has joined #lisp 01:17:06 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:20:17 -!- weirdo [sthalik@kronstadt.misaki.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:20:57 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.150.210.106] has joined #lisp 01:22:43 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:24:36 Bike [~Glossina@75-175-70-189.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 01:24:38 Oladon: where do you see that? 01:25:10 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:25:47 youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 01:25:55 pkhuong: I'm trying to ql:quickload it, and it DEFCLASS: class definition circularity: # depends on itself 01:27:35 Oladon: the system's dependencies have been loaded. That error message regards the source code, not the package's dependencies. 01:28:25 And, it works here (quicklisp 2013-01-28 on SBCL 1.1.7.bleeding-edge) 01:29:37 lemoinem [~swoog@72.53.112.90] has joined #lisp 01:30:43 kenanb [~user@94.54.234.216] has joined #lisp 01:34:03 -!- kenanb [~user@94.54.234.216] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:48:20 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:50:18 arrsim [~user@mail.fitness2live.com.au] has joined #lisp 01:57:21 -!- arrsim [~user@mail.fitness2live.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:58:16 miql [~miql@ip72-201-117-127.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 02:02:37 -!- natechan [~natechan@c-71-56-124-186.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 02:06:43 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.161.133.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:08:24 kanru` [~kanru@118-163-10-190.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 02:09:45 rtoym [~chatzilla@24.130.4.105] has joined #lisp 02:10:15 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-108-48-74-4.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:10:40 -!- chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-241-240-138.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:13:13 -!- ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:14:14 ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:16:31 -!- Thra11 [~Thra11@146.90.27.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:21:29 Myk267 [~myk@unaffiliated/myk267] has joined #lisp 02:31:45 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@108-225-26-178.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:34:14 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 02:35:05 arrsim [~user@mail.fitness2live.com.au] has joined #lisp 02:37:06 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:37:18 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@108-225-26-178.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:39:30 -!- ISF [~ivan@187.106.36.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:41:30 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-dtaojcficmcemqnc] has joined #lisp 02:42:01 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:42:06 -!- ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:42:50 ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:46:50 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 02:48:44 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:49:11 pierre1 [~pierre1@186.205.149.74] has joined #lisp 02:51:53 leo2007 [~leo@119.161.133.157] has joined #lisp 02:52:03 p_nathan1 [~Adium@rrcs-74-87-143-106.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:53:03 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:53:23 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 02:55:25 gmcastil [~user@168-103-209-29.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 02:55:59 -!- ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:56:19 bolcselo [~x@pool-71-163-45-47.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:00:20 -!- nug700_ [~nug700@174-19-137-130.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:00:31 nug700 [~nug700@174-19-137-130.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 03:02:25 -!- kanru` [~kanru@118-163-10-190.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:11:06 -!- p_nathan1 [~Adium@rrcs-74-87-143-106.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:15:15 fenton [~fenton@ppp-110-168-16-96.revip5.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 03:15:56 anyone setup SBCL to startup under systemd startup scripts? I'm having an issue with port already being in use... 03:16:41 fenton: Grab the pid of the previous sbcl; ensure that the sockets are closed. 03:18:24 easye: i think this is a prob with my understanding of how to setup systemd service and socket files. 03:18:36 i think systemd starts listening on that socket, so sbcl can't 03:18:44 M-x woman systemd 03:19:02 they've got a term called 'socket activation' or something...which i think is part of the problem. 03:19:07 -!- arrsim [~user@mail.fitness2live.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:19:16 SO_LINGER is what you're looking for. 03:19:42 Or you don't have the "capability" at systemd launch? 03:19:43 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@130-204-68-81.2074856244.ddns.cablebg.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:20:00 "launch := spawn of the daemon" 03:20:27 hmmm 03:20:34 youlysse` [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 03:21:17 wonder if there isnt a connection with inetd, etc...which I don't want...I don't want a service started when the port is connected to... 03:21:42 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:23:16 fenton: write a shell script that hands off the process to the persistent sbcl? 03:23:31 "hands off the fds" 03:23:50 easye: r u familiar with systemd? 03:23:55 fenton: Nope. 03:23:57 and *.service files? 03:24:03 Double nope. 03:24:23 ok np...i guess it's kind of a replacement for systemV init scripts or something. 03:24:38 Right. I'd start reading man pages... 03:24:46 i'm using arch linux, and thats how they start services, in my case sbcl 03:24:52 yeah... 03:25:10 OS X has a resonable tech. writing team in place. I'd start by opening a Mac... 03:25:39 Linux docs probably means finding a HOWTO. 03:25:58 -!- pierre1 [~pierre1@186.205.149.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:26:41 i'll jump over to #archlinux, see if they have some advice. thx easye! 03:26:57 *easye* waves. 03:27:46 -!- pierpa [~user@95.236.59.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:28:01 Artheist [~quassel@modemcable051.243-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 03:28:44 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-149-171.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:31:27 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-110-168-16-96.revip5.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 03:31:35 -!- Artheist [~quassel@modemcable051.243-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 03:33:52 -!- ckoch786 [~quassel@cpe-98-27-140-191.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:34:50 Artheist [~quassel@modemcable051.243-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 03:37:50 Guthur`` [~user@eth2845.sa.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 03:39:38 -!- Guthur` [~user@eth2845.sa.adsl.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:40:20 fenton [~fenton@ppp-110-168-16-96.revip5.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 03:40:31 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 03:46:33 -!- gendl [~gendl@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gendl] 03:52:41 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 03:55:13 Strigoides [~owen@114-134-0-47.lightwire.co.nz] has joined #lisp 03:59:09 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 04:00:15 pierre1 [~pierre1@186.205.149.74] has joined #lisp 04:00:39 -!- pierre1 [~pierre1@186.205.149.74] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:02:03 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:02:09 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:03:36 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-110-168-16-96.revip5.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 04:06:28 gendl [~gendl@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:06:38 pkhuong: Hrm... sorry, ran off to dinner... so how do I fix that? 04:08:49 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:10:25 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 04:10:42 fenton [~fenton@ppp-110-168-16-96.revip5.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 04:13:26 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:14:20 dnolen` [~user@cpe-74-64-32-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:14:45 -!- dnolen` [~user@cpe-74-64-32-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:15:03 pkhuong: err, nevermind... it seems to have fixed itself somehow... 04:22:06 i'm trying to understand the recommended way to run lisp in production...for say a web server. i'm seeing things like running it in a screen session...but that seems a bit odd to me... 04:22:45 nohup also doesn't seem to work...as a simple test... 04:24:26 fenton: screen is what i use. 04:24:41 I also use screen 04:26:12 -!- Oladon [~Oladon@c-98-245-40-6.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:26:34 ok...i guess it's quit convenient 04:26:38 *quite 04:26:39 Oladon [~Oladon@c-98-245-40-6.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:27:19 Xach: Oladon thx. 04:27:54 I'm trying to figure out if #!/usr/bin/screen -c is a thing 04:28:27 kanru` [~kanru@118-163-10-190.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 04:29:01 Xach: 'is a thing' ? 04:29:07 It's an expression 04:29:56 'is a thing that people actually do' 04:30:05 or say, or eat, or verb :P 04:30:06 Xach: probably as much a #define THIS_IS_ALSO_A_SHELL_SCRIPT /* ... ;) 04:32:19 p_nathan [~Adium@rrcs-74-87-143-106.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:33:19 my thought would be that it's not a startup script perse, and if you have a production instance, you'd like to not have to log in and start your screen by hand. Then you read things like using --script flags, and putting endless loops because of issues with stdin/out...interesting issue... 04:33:59 fenton: and this is where screen -c comes in. 04:34:32 hmmm 04:34:55 fenton: I've attempted in the past to make an init.d daemon which handles the screen session 04:35:40 hmmm...seems funny that you couldn't start sbcl (say) in daemon'ized mode... 04:35:49 eldariof [~CLD@188.168.242.178] has joined #lisp 04:36:16 you can. 04:36:30 You can, it's just not as handy/transparent as having an init.d script 04:36:56 if you can, why not just wrap *that* in an init scripyt 04:37:32 pkhuong: how do u start in daemonized mode? with --script and an infinite loop? 04:39:00 googling for "sbcl daemon" reveals http://wandrian.net/2012-02-20-1958-lisp-daemons-with-sbcl.html. 04:39:24 Hrm. This whole page-pulling business is strange. It only gives me gzip'd output sometimes 04:39:51 pkhuong: which i think boils down to a --script plus infinite loop... 04:41:19 -!- miql [~miql@ip72-201-117-127.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:42:25 pkhuong: not 100% sure thats the case...I'll stick with hand launched screens for now and loop back later for daemonizing...thx pkhuong, Oladon! :) 04:44:31 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:48:39 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.161.133.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:49:45 -!- p_nathan [~Adium@rrcs-74-87-143-106.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:49:59 quazimodo [~quazimodo@60-241-248-205.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 04:54:31 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 05:00:20 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 05:04:33 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.5.171] has joined #lisp 05:04:34 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.5.171] has quit [Changing host] 05:04:34 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 05:05:46 How have I managed to break this now... 05:16:48 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@181.Red-88-8-236.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:19:11 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-110-168-16-96.revip5.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 05:22:00 MoALTz_ [~no@host86-137-69-242.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 05:24:40 -!- patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:25:08 -!- MoALTz [~no@host86-137-69-242.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:26:55 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-222-103.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:32:21 -!- elliottcable [~me@ell.io] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:33:57 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-166-132.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 05:37:08 -!- kennyd [kennyd@78-0-236-221.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:38:21 rszeno [~rszeno@79.118.12.232] has joined #lisp 05:39:46 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 05:43:01 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:43:20 fenton [~fenton@ppp-110-168-16-96.revip5.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 05:43:40 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:43:48 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 05:43:54 if i use 'slime-connect' how do i disconnect from remote sbcl *without* also killing the swank server there? 05:44:24 slime-disconnect 05:44:37 *Oladon* wharrgarbls in frustration. 05:44:43 gzip-stream has just decided to stop working. 05:45:01 Didn't even have the decency to give two weeks' notice 05:46:13 Bike: fenton: Cheers guys! :D 05:46:16 Bike: hmmm...that seems to also kill the swank server on the remote side! 05:46:23 Aww 05:46:44 hi chu 05:47:06 fenton: Are you sure? 05:47:09 kennyd [~kennyd@78-0-236-221.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 05:47:31 It doesn't here. 05:48:20 Bike: hmmm...yeah...can't reconnect...hmmm... 05:48:34 i'll google for a it 05:48:37 *bit 05:48:45 I'll try too, if I randomly disconnect it didn't work 05:48:59 Is there a better-reputed gzip/gunzip library out there for CL? 05:49:20 Oladon: gzip-stream works well 05:49:25 Oladon: (for me, that is) 05:49:30 Works here. Thanks Bike :) 05:49:32 fenton: you can see it work by starting a local lisp with slime, disconnecting, and seeing that *inferior-lisp* is still active 05:49:53 fenton: i think you might nee to set something when you started swank? so that it persists when the connection stops. 05:50:04 H4ns: Sigh. :( It worked fine when I installed it an hour or so ago, and now it's suddenly stopped 05:50:26 Oladon: "it's suddenly stopped" is not a very precise problem description. 05:50:27 Harag [~Thunderbi@41-135-197-102.dsl.mweb.co.za] has joined #lisp 05:50:34 Bike: ahh, ok, makes sense...let me see if there is a flag or something.... 05:50:35 oh yeah, :dont-close 05:50:40 H4ns: I know... that's part of what's so frustrating. Here's what I'm doing: (gzip-stream:gunzip-sequence (drakma:http-request "http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2prcq?Deadlands-Reloaded-Interest-Check" :connection-timeout nil :additional-headers '((:accept-encoding . "gzip")))) 05:50:54 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@2602:306:3686:aac0:f0b4:ed5f:e432:876d] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:50:58 Bike: ok i'll try that 05:51:37 Oladon: and the problem is....? 05:51:40 -!- eldariof [~CLD@188.168.242.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:51:52 fenton: (funcall (intern (string '#:create-server) :swank) :port 4005 :style :spawn :dont-close t) 05:52:15 H4ns: It's not gunzipping it. 05:52:24 Oladon: but instead it does what? 05:52:28 H4ns: The result is just the ungunzipped octet stream 05:52:36 It doesn't seem to do /anything/ to it :( 05:52:45 It's like it's now a dummy function 05:53:35 huss` [~user@host176.190-225-90.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 05:53:38 I tried reloading the library and restarting clisp 05:53:44 Bike: zRecursive thats working thanks! 05:54:08 Oladon: and that did not change it back to working? 05:54:19 H4ns: It did not 05:54:47 Oladon: interesting. does it happen with sbcl as well? can you reproduce it? 05:55:02 H4ns: Hrm, I'm not too familiar with sbcl, but I think I have it installed 05:55:04 -!- lanthan [~quassel@p2003005F2B373001021F16FFFE36871C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:55:18 Hrm, I don't have it installed. I can get it, I suppose 05:56:08 Oladon: if it worked and now does not across restarts, something must have change in the files on your system or you're not actually calling gunzip-sequence. 05:56:17 -!- huss [~user@host193.190-137-232.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:56:28 elliottcable [~me@ell.io] has joined #lisp 05:56:32 H4ns: Those do seem like the two most likely explanations 05:56:37 Oladon: it is not very likely that the problem has its root cause in gzip-stream 05:56:42 *nods* 05:57:01 Were you able to run the line I sent? 05:57:16 Oladon: no, i did not try. 05:57:19 Ah 05:57:58 snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 05:58:17 I suppose I can understand that. 05:58:35 I'm loading the libraries in sbcl now. 05:58:45 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:00:12 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-110-168-16-96.revip5.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 06:00:29 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:01:03 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 06:01:28 patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 06:03:42 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:04:04 H4ns: So sbcl fails on that command... and I'm not sure why. debugger invoked on a SB-INT:SIMPLE-PROGRAM-ERROR in thread # "initial thread" RUNNING 06:04:04 {AAE5729}>: 06:04:04 invalid keyword argument: :SERVE-EVENTS 06:04:08 ack, sorry 06:04:13 that was supposed to be on one line 06:04:38 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 06:04:39 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 06:04:39 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 06:05:04 Oladon: that looks as if your environment is broken. did you install sbcl from sbcl.org? is your quicklisp up to date? 06:05:22 I installed with apt-get, and yes, quicklisp is up to date 06:05:30 fenton [~fenton@ppp-110-168-16-96.revip5.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 06:05:36 apt-get will not likely give you a recent sbcl 06:06:30 That's fair, but ugh. 06:07:21 please complain to whoever maintains your debian package repository or follow the advice given here (which is certainly not "use apt-get to install sbcl") 06:07:37 Oladon: arch linux has 1.1.7. its philosophy is to have quite bleeding edge programs. 06:08:07 right. recommend the guy to switch his linux distribution! 06:08:11 lol 06:08:14 i can recommend getting a mac! 06:08:16 sorry! 06:08:17 I was going to say 06:08:35 hey it pays to have a decent distribution! lol 06:08:38 :serve-events certainly sounds unrelated to gzip 06:08:44 It's... somebody's law. Ask a remotely-Linux-related question on IRC, someone's bound to answer "install a new distro" 06:08:48 fenton: it pays to have a mac, too! 06:08:56 no comment! :) 06:08:57 Bike: there's no error in clisp, it just doesn't gunzip it 06:09:40 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 06:10:08 miql [~miql@ip72-201-117-127.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 06:10:25 *ski* . o O ( "Most problems can be solved by installing Debian." -- twb-fix, #emacs ) 06:11:27 H4ns: I believe even mac hardware can run linux nowadays .... ;} 06:11:47 -!- ckoch [~ckoch@98.103.82.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:11:57 right, now that we've beaten that horse to death, lets try whether more beating brings it back to life. 06:11:57 flip214: usually not very well 06:12:09 flip214: with regards to power saving and certain other device drivers 06:12:44 Oladon: use sbcl from experimental or unstable, that'll give you 1.1.6-2. 06:13:08 or clisp 2.49-8.2 ... 06:13:22 -!- Artheist [~quassel@modemcable051.243-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:13:25 -!- Strigoides [~owen@114-134-0-47.lightwire.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:13:36 Loading libraries in 1.1.7 now. 06:14:30 -!- satshabad [~satshabad@pool-173-58-100-240.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:18:11 Issue has been replicated in sbcl 1.1.7 06:20:00 "issue" as in "gzip-stream:gunzip-sequence does not do anything"? 06:20:08 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:20:13 yep 06:20:30 does it not do anything for arbitrary inputs, or just for the sequence that is returned by drakma? 06:20:35 -!- ehu [~Erik@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:20:37 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 06:20:51 is the sequence that is returned by drakma actually a valid gzip stream? 06:20:52 It also breaks on arbitrary test strings. (gzip-stream:gunzip-sequence (gzip-stream:gzip-sequence "testing")) 06:20:57 Yes, it is. 06:20:59 "breaks"? 06:21:04 It actually errors on the line above 06:21:09 "errors"? 06:21:21 #: 06:21:21 # is not a binary output stream. 06:21:26 Oladon: so far, signs point toward something on your end being the hard bit to replicate. You've been experiencing a lot of bugs that magically appear and go away in the past couple hours. 06:21:36 pkhuong: Heh 06:21:44 "testing" is not a sequence that gzip-stream:gzip-sequence can deal with 06:21:50 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:21:54 you're really looking at a completely different error. 06:22:06 H4ns: That was my impression as well, but I was attempting to test it. 06:22:11 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 06:22:15 yes. but you did it wrong. 06:22:22 So sue me. At least I'm trying. 06:22:33 maybe it is very late where you are and you should get some sleep first? 06:24:09 Also, I might mention that the docs on gzip-stream aren't exactly verbose 06:25:30 ckoch [~ckoch@98.103.82.66] has joined #lisp 06:27:12 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:27:15 Oladon: in cl-user on sbcl, try (octets-to-string (gzip-stream:gunzip-sequence (gzip-stream:gzip-sequence (string-to-octets "hello")))) 06:28:02 H4ns: Aha, those are helpful functions to know, thank you. That works. 06:28:51 Oladon: if clisp does not supply them, you can find them in flexi-streams and babel as well. 06:29:01 It also works in clisp when I add the reuqisite flexi-streams designation 06:29:02 Yeah 06:29:10 requisite* 06:29:42 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:30:52 And voila. From this I have deduced that wrapping the call to gunzip-sequence in an octets-to-string solves my problem. 06:31:37 -!- guiambros [~guiambros@z65-50-88-217.ips.direcpath.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:32:04 H4ns: Thank you. It is indeed late here, but I do not like to sleep when frustrated by something. 06:35:48 agumonkey [~agu@52.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 06:36:06 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-dtaojcficmcemqnc] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:38:20 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c0e6a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 06:39:16 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@108.87.23.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:39:34 Oladon: frustrated by what ? 06:40:09 tensorpudding [~tensorpud@108.87.20.168] has joined #lisp 06:40:22 zRecursive: By something not working (generally because I'm doing it wrong). But now all is well. 06:40:48 so good night 06:41:13 heh 06:41:27 You mean I shouldn't chug along until I hit another snag, and stay up indefinitely? :P 06:41:49 -!- ckoch [~ckoch@98.103.82.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:42:52 nobody can stay up indefinitely ? 06:43:08 Well 06:43:20 indefinitely does not mean infinitely 06:43:20 You can go about 4 days before your body starts trying to force you to sleep 06:43:24 it means for an uncertain time 06:43:26 *Oladon* nods at Quadrescence 06:43:34 You can go about 11 days before you die 06:43:44 Oladon, It doesn't take 4 days... 06:43:53 jack_rabbit: Heh. 06:44:09 jack_rabbit: It can vary by person, but 4 days is about the limit, generally 06:44:21 11 days ?! superman :P 06:44:22 :P yuck. 06:44:38 jack_rabbit: I've done 90 hours with a total of 7 non-consecutive hours of sleep :P 06:45:08 But there /was/ sleep in there. 06:45:16 I've done 60 before. I was hallucinating, thinking crazy things. 06:45:20 Yeah 06:45:41 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:45:46 kdas__ [kdas@nat/redhat/x-zzhgfytkvbpuhmbf] has joined #lisp 06:45:47 Nosceteipsum [~Nosceteip@g231148249.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 06:46:51 spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has joined #lisp 06:47:34 -!- axion [~axion@lngdnd-ai02-74-214-211-129.utma.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:48:56 -!- kdas__ is now known as kushal 06:49:04 -!- kushal [kdas@nat/redhat/x-zzhgfytkvbpuhmbf] has quit [Changing host] 06:49:04 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 06:51:58 G'night :) 06:52:05 Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 06:52:55 ckoch [~ckoch@98.103.82.66] has joined #lisp 06:57:20 'night. 06:57:23 -!- Nosceteipsum [~Nosceteip@g231148249.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:59:59 varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 07:00:58 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 07:03:01 -!- spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:03:51 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.150.210.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:04:15 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@110.188.67.83] has left #lisp 07:07:37 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-4-110.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:07:44 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 07:10:55 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.249] has joined #lisp 07:12:11 are the commonlisp.net mailing lists gone forever? 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you just said you're kind of a lisp newbie... 08:12:32 he keeps sending me: "up and coming languages...", which i read to be fair...but the articles aren't very enlightening... 08:12:51 -!- Bike [~Glossina@75-175-70-189.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:13:40 What advantage do you expect lisp to provide your startup? 08:13:54 jdz: well, i'm done with fortran descendants..., i couldn't get the web server to compile in haskell because of 'dreaded diamond dependency' issue....so i've finally found my way to lisp...and everything i study and learn seems to keep re-inforcing that decision 08:14:27 Zhivago: i like the idea of 'right level of abstraction' 08:14:38 Bike [~Glossina@75-175-70-189.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 08:14:50 perhaps too much noise in java...simple things are hard... 08:15:05 or at least too verbose. 08:15:16 i like the idea of 'interactive' programming... 08:15:21 fsvehla [~fsvehla@TK212017097035.teleweb.at] has joined #lisp 08:15:23 fenton: my feeling is that building business on tools worth 10 years of experience is better than warm and fuzzy feeling 08:15:54 jdz: thing is i don't want to code in java...i'm done with it 08:16:16 i'm feeling the pleasure of coding again...i guess it's that simple...so far anyway 08:17:32 the feeling does not go away, too. and if it start doing it, you just have to look at some Java code again 08:17:46 jdz: lol 08:17:55 jdz: glad to hear that! 08:18:43 zorkmoid [c2ed8e14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.237.142.20] has joined #lisp 08:18:55 ;Good morning! 08:19:00 fenton: Sounds too vague too gamble a startup on. 08:19:11 it was funny to watch the guys debate perl/python/ruby on the archlinux channel... all programmers have the same complaints, reusability, etc... 08:19:13 Do you know what problem this startup is supposed to solve? 08:20:14 Zhivago: sure...but i'm not really doing hi-stakes gambling...i'm not putting up a bunch of money...just my own time, which I'm happy to do at this point. 08:20:17 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 08:21:06 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:21:21 -!- Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:22:01 Zhivago: there are a lot of problems that web/mobile, etc, can help, the language choice, is just to expedite the process. 08:22:49 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:23:28 Zhivago: flip point, what harm would picking lisp do, except the relative in-experience in the language. my colleagues complaints are about small community, lack of library support...but those concerns seem less valid than having a powerful language at your disposal. 08:23:51 Zhivago: to me anyway... 08:25:53 lack of library support? cl has quite good library support ... 08:26:10 So, assuming that this startup fails, how much money do you expect to lose (including opportunity loss)? 08:26:39 zorkmoid: i think it was an ill-informed comment 08:26:57 BlankVerse [~pankajm@dhcp140.dmi.ens.fr] has joined #lisp 08:27:20 ah 08:27:51 Zhivago: well i guess an average programmer might pull ~100K/yr, so that would be the $ burn rate in opportunity lost. But it's not just a $ decision for me. There is a pleasure factor. 08:27:56 Although it really sounds like you don't know what you want to do, and just want to play around on the off-chane that something works out. 08:28:12 In which case, it sounds reasonable. 08:28:22 Zhivago: lol 08:28:30 fenton: what are you trying to do? 08:28:36 or solve... or whatever 08:28:38 He doesn't know yet. 08:28:57 I want to setup like a pricing search app 08:29:14 so for example i'm at a store that sells beans at 3$/lb 08:29:20 ok... though, aren't there enough of those.. 08:29:48 but i'd like to know if there is anywhere close by that has them cheaper. 08:29:55 does that exist anywhere? 08:30:15 And you intend to get your feed data from? 08:30:18 thats just one idea tho, there are other simpler ideas. 08:30:47 so there's geo-location info 08:31:03 fenton: as any housewife knows, driving 10km down to that other place where the beans are 3c cheaper is more expensive than buying the beans that are 3c more expensive. 08:31:04 -!- fsvehla [~fsvehla@TK212017097035.teleweb.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:31:21 So you expect your users to type in all of the prices? I guess OCR might help. 08:31:26 zorkmoid: sure, but what about if your neighbour were going to that store already... 08:31:30 -!- gmcastil [~user@168-103-209-29.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:31:39 Although not sure about the legal issues there. 08:31:39 helps to build community too. 08:31:41 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 08:31:41 zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 08:31:58 Zhivago: what legal issue...if i take a picture of my receipt...ocr, etc... 08:32:01 what's the business model? 08:32:03 fenton: somehow i doubt it, you are trying to find a solution to a non-existant problem imho 08:32:16 how do you expect to make money on that? 08:32:18 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-163-217.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 08:32:28 stassats: like facebook!!! 08:32:40 zorkmoid: by selling prices to CIA? 08:32:43 yes... 08:32:44 Well, there are coupon maniacs. 08:32:53 well you are facilitation a $ transaction...there'd be plenty of monetizing ops. 08:32:54 I guess this might appeal to the same demographic. 08:33:04 So you'd get the store to give you a cut? 08:33:09 Zhivago: now that would be interesting, a coupon sorter ... 08:33:20 or something like that organizing, scheduling when to use them,e tc... 08:33:30 Trading them ... 08:33:32 yeah 08:33:41 or u could simply have a standard shoping list, timeouts on your commodities...so and so: are you needing milk? yes...okay coming pick up from neighbour tonight... 08:34:13 fenton: pen/paper in the kitchen with a list of items to pursche is what housewifes use. 08:34:14 fenton: So communal shopping. Ok, I can see that might have a possibility. 08:34:14 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.42.153] has joined #lisp 08:34:22 -!- Joreji [~thomas@70-001.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:34:32 a delivery guy could gather lists, get bulk discounts... 08:35:00 zorkmoid: yeah, and people also used to use a horse and carriage...doesn't mean it will always be so 08:35:17 fenton: housewifes are picky, and lazy. 08:35:25 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-236-226.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:35:33 ...and desperate? 08:35:35 lol 08:35:40 zorkmoid: not all of them 08:35:50 fenton: going to the computer, writing down the shopping list, and what not? you _really_ see a housewife doing that? 08:36:07 or anyone actually... 08:36:30 zorkmoid: no...but a little mobile app that has a list which u click yes or no on....versus, getting in the car, slogging through traffic.. paying a higher price...maybe? 08:36:33 i can easily imagine them doing it, if it is more convenient that the pen and paper approach 08:36:54 almost like a buying club. 08:36:59 fenton: that is different, that is communal shopping.. that would work. 08:37:01 actually, that could be a way to get my wife to use a smartphone :) 08:37:07 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:37:11 jdz: lol 08:37:27 fenton: but that doesn't need an app.. 08:37:31 fenton: that needs organisation. 08:37:34 also helps with the 'borrow a cup of sugar' problem 08:37:46 computers can facilitate organization. 08:37:49 fenton: someone taking in the list, going to the shop, buying shit, scheduling pick up times, etc etc etc 08:38:06 -!- miql [~miql@ip72-201-117-127.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:38:07 zorkmoid: all facilitate by algorithms. 08:38:09 the app is like the least of your worries. 08:38:12 fsvehla [~fsvehla@TK212017097035.teleweb.at] has joined #lisp 08:38:22 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:38:28 fenton: you mean i can make an algorithm go to the shop and pick up groceries? 08:38:30 :-) 08:38:31 zorkmoid: what in your opinion or the greatest of the worries? 08:38:56 connect it to the store, have them prepack your list. 08:39:08 connect it to the store... 08:39:14 shit just get rid of the driver anyway, there's gonna be someone who does just that 08:39:23 you will have to find a store that can do that, which basically no stores do. 08:39:44 and then you have that housewife who just wants that ketchup from Jollies Ketchup or whatever 08:39:45 zorkmoid: actually a lot of stores do...safeway will accept a phone order, iirc 08:39:51 for old people etc... 08:40:02 that discussion doesn't seem like it's about Common Lisp 08:40:05 stores dont have a problem gathering up an order. 08:40:10 not around here.. 08:40:17 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:41:06 stassats: good point 08:41:28 getting back to lisp... is common-lisp.net up and running as it should now? 08:41:49 thanks for the feedback, appreciate that! 08:41:55 zorkmoid: no 08:42:05 :( 08:42:10 mailing list interfaces are still broken 08:42:17 bunch of cvs repos that i normally use where down last time i looked.. 08:42:31 cvs should be working 08:42:35 ehu [~ehu@109.37.225.249] has joined #lisp 08:42:48 coolies 08:43:44 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-236-226.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 08:43:59 how do u guys setup a ssh tunnel to remote slime/swank. i'm getting an error that the port is already bound to. Using command: ssh -L4005:127.0.0.1:4005 user@remote.com, which i got from marco baringers slime youtube. 08:45:16 fenton: maybe you have something bound to that port on either machien ... 08:45:29 zorkmoid: i have swank listening on that port... 08:45:31 you might have a local slime session running on 4005, try using another port 08:45:33 socat 08:45:47 -!- rabite_ [~rabite@4chan.fm] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:46:11 spacefrogg: don't i want the remote port to be the *same* as the swank port? 08:46:14 *rszeno* maybe, i never tryed 08:46:26 confused. 08:46:44 -!- ehu [~ehu@109.37.225.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:46:51 fenton: you can forward it to another port 08:47:33 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:48:01 fenton: you can only have one application use a single port at some time 08:48:17 fenton: s/use/bind to/ 08:48:40 so if remote is on 4005, then locally i can also use 4005, and then command becomes what? -L:localhost: remote-user@remote-host.com 08:49:00 spacefrogg: i know that...but i'm confused about how ssh tunnel works. 08:49:12 fenton: yes. the error you describe indicates that the local port is already bound to 08:49:13 fenton: that should be ok, but you might have something already bound to 4005 one either end. 08:49:30 fenton: check with netstat or some other such unix tool... 08:50:05 spacefrogg: yeah, seems there is something local on 4005...okay let me track that down...thanks! zorkmoid Thanks too! 08:50:08 fenton, i never tryed but try to use socat see pipe in man page 08:50:31 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.99.148] has joined #lisp 08:50:34 fenton: you can use another port and instruct slime to connect to this port instead 08:51:57 rszeno: socat uses unencrypted streams 08:52:11 -!- kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has quit [] 08:52:53 ok, :) 08:54:48 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:55:40 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 08:56:46 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:59:45 -!- d11wtq [~chris@59.167.38.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:59:45 Joreji [~thomas@70-001.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 08:59:47 hmmm...now I'm just getting slime hanging on trying to connect...any way to debug/test it? 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Just 2 spaces or align then & else forms to condition form? 10:50:09 gendl [~gendl@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:51:58 by pressing C-M-q 10:52:06 hehe, nice one stassats :-) 10:53:00 ok, I got it, thanks 10:54:51 Clojure has reader macros. I wonder if anyone implemented common-lisp-like reader for it. 10:55:02 I mean without commas, brackets and braces. 10:55:12 if you want common lisp, use common lisp 10:55:39 I need to target JVM and use java libraries. ABCL has a... suboptimal interface to java libs. 10:56:09 naryl: why do you want common lisp in clojure? Clojure syntax is nice imo 10:57:52 Batalyx [~ji@halava.cc.jyu.fi] has joined #lisp 10:58:36 Another stupid question: is it ok if I throw condition in the middle of recursion or I should use iteration to prevent bad things which may happen? 10:59:17 hitecnologys: "ok", "bad things", can you be more specific? 10:59:34 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-110-168-16-96.revip5.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:59:59 przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has joined #lisp 11:00:56 H4ns: (setq bad-things '(memory leaks and errors) ok '(correct)) 11:01:17 -!- DataLinkD2 [~DataLinkD@CPE-121-218-78-1.lnse4.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:01:38 hitecnologys: In CL if you can use iteration use it. 11:01:40 hitecnologys: the condition system is designed to work together with all facilities of common lisp. 11:01:53 -!- aoh [~aki@unaffiliated/aoh] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:01:55 H4ns: ok, thanks 11:02:32 naryl: but compiler should optimize this for me, shouldn't it? 11:02:38 benkard [~benkard@ppp-93-104-186-167.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #lisp 11:03:42 tail recursion is not in the standard. 11:03:49 *naryl* went to check new CDRs. 11:05:00 naryl: but I think sbcl should support it 11:05:35 stassats: does sbcl do tail recursion optimization? 11:05:43 sometimes 11:05:47 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 11:06:01 (let ((*special* 10)) (tail-call)) won't have a tail call 11:06:09 since the special needs to be unbound 11:06:16 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:06:25 and (optimize (debug 2)) stops TCO as well 11:06:35 akovalenko [~user@195.18.46.21] has joined #lisp 11:06:49 nice, thanks 11:08:06 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:09:38 -!- Strigoides [~owen@114-134-0-5.lightwire.co.nz] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:10:25 antgreen [~green@rrcs-98-101-136-2.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:13:12 -!- naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 11:13:28 naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has joined #lisp 11:13:34 fenton [~fenton@ppp-110-168-16-177.revip5.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 11:14:36 -!- karswell` [~user@87.112.161.139] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:20:30 -!- benkard [~benkard@ppp-93-104-186-167.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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My usage is from command line, but from REPL (run!) is the same 11:48:31 use 5am:run 11:50:07 hmm 5am:run does not show results.. 11:50:49 maxm: run! 11:51:01 hitecnologys: run! does not return indication of failure :-) 11:51:09 maxm: it does 11:51:30 how? both all tests ok, or some fail, it returns NIL 11:51:59 it also prints lots of stuff 11:52:17 yea, but I'm using it from command line in a batch file (testing a C++ library) 11:52:19 oops 11:52:42 I think I forgot to make a release 11:52:55 silly of me 11:53:13 NimeshNeema [uid2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xhxvdyuybqfrfbhn] has joined #lisp 11:53:19 maxm: try the git version 11:53:25 I'm using git version 11:53:45 its actually a simple problem, it returns whatever (explain) returns 11:54:10 imho explain should do (prog1 (if (null results)) ...) 11:54:16 so it returns T when everything passed, or NIL when not 11:55:10 not to change every explain method, since its a generic, an :aroud method doing (prog1 (null results) (call-next-method)) is entire fix 11:55:23 CLOS is wonderful eh :-) 11:56:33 send me a pull request 11:57:09 thanks, will be up today 11:58:04 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:59:14 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:00:17 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:09:03 CLOS *is* wonderful 12:09:09 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-236-226.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:09:51 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-4-110.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:10:44 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 12:11:23 hmm can one use non-local exit from (subst-if) predicate? 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I can't use M-. to go to test definitions. With 700 tests, using grep rather then M-. is painful. 13:13:38 Hans__ [~weechat@115.132.170.124] has joined #lisp 13:14:07 not sure how to fix, other then doing same as stephil, and wrapping it into defun 13:16:52 actually the fault may be it going through (eval).. 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As long as its backward compatible? Coz i rather not spend a day doing it, if there is no chance of it being merged 13:56:01 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:56:18 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 13:56:31 maxm: Don't know. You seem to want Stefil, though. :) 13:56:35 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 13:56:53 luis: well there is simplicity, but there is also usability 13:57:41 and not being able to use "v" key in SLDB is imho big usability problem, and using grep instead of M-. 13:57:48 -!- ckoch is now known as ckoch786 13:58:01 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:58:09 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:58:21 maxm: right, Stefil doesn't have that issue. 13:58:47 maxm: and tests are functions. 13:59:05 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 13:59:10 *maxm* dislikes stephil as too intrusive, and author moved on to their own stuff, but that feature is actually very useful 13:59:26 Why is it intrusive? 13:59:54 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-108-192-103-248.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:00:23 its doing too much with warnings about suite and test being in diff packages (which makes it impossible to split large test suite into packages) 14:00:53 it also secretly retains a reference to last args passed to every test, deep in its internals 14:01:11 which drove me crazy when I was debugging C++ shared_ptr <> lisp GC bridge 14:01:34 had to scan memory for objects (lifting some of (room) code), to find it 14:01:35 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:03:25 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:03:48 *nyef* shudders. 14:04:15 luis: there was also some general talk about consolidating Lisp libraries like a year ago, started by Fare. And one of the topics was how hey, Stephil author moved to hu.dwim stuff, and fe[nl]ix took over fiveam, so he asked me to convert log4cl to fiveam, in the spirit of "ok, you talking consolidating libraries, how come you don't switch from stephil, which is unmaintained" 14:04:18 You know that SBCL's implementation of ROOM was rather scary, right? 14:04:22 so I finally giving it a go 14:05:49 drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 14:08:00 solvery [~solvery@113.57.183.234] has joined #lisp 14:08:37 maxm: Stefil, with an f :) 14:09:15 I suppose that it were feasible to merge Stefil's features into 5am, that'd nice. 14:10:40 hmm 14:12:06 pavelpenev [~quassel@85.130.70.65] has joined #lisp 14:13:17 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 14:13:47 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:16:02 -!- solvery [~solvery@113.57.183.234] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 14:17:16 fe[nl]ix: let's talk about that at ECLM, unless something more interesting to talk about comes up. :) 14:21:34 m6502 [~user@lisp.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 14:22:28 *slyrus* goes away for a couple of weeks -- notices lots of cool SBCL commits and smiles -- notices lisp.not.org and frowns 14:24:04 what happened to common-lisp.net? 14:24:18 or rather, what's up with not.org? 14:24:31 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:24:47 who knows. I'm trying to figure out why I can't update abcl sources from svn and I discover lisp.not.org. not sure what this means. 14:24:58 ha 14:25:04 slyrus: abcl is no longer hosted on common-lisp.net 14:25:13 slyrus: see www.abcl.org for up-to-date information. 14:25:16 the world is playing with a man, while man is playing on a tuba 14:25:35 H4ns: 404 14:26:05 ? it shows this for me http://i.imgur.com/qSbGPXC.png 14:26:10 that's not 404 14:26:13 uh, it is http://abcl.org 14:26:21 adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 14:26:41 maxm: that is the new, smoothly migrated common-lisp.net. 14:26:45 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:26:49 ah 14:27:05 facelift looks pretty good 14:27:15 drichards [~user@c-98-232-26-203.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:27:30 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 14:27:45 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 14:28:13 maxm - i wrote my own appender, memory-appender, which silently accumulates logs which with operations to grep that  gosh log:config is quite something :)  I feel a yearning for a way to plug into it.  no request really, just food for thought 14:28:39 adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 14:28:41 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:28:42 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.99.148] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:29:13 bhyde: patches always welcome, I'm absolutely not anal about code.. Usability -> ivory towerism :-) 14:29:17 H4ns: that page says nothing about the source repo... and google still links to http://common-lisp.net/project/armedbear/faq.shtml#repository which has the old info. 14:29:36 slyrus: try #abcl 14:29:48 will do 14:30:43 ISF [~ivan@187.106.36.28] has joined #lisp 14:30:52 grumble grumble 14:31:03 bhyde: "to plug into it", basically to have single option to make it add your appender, instead of the default ones? 14:31:44 maxm: adding, saving/restore, displaying  appear to be an appender's three responsibilities v.s. log:config 14:32:52 newblue [~newblue@113.84.213.168] has joined #lisp 14:33:05 natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 14:33:16 bhyde: well, go to town, add it to log:config.. Its really kind of a spaghetti function, but it has to be based on what it does 14:33:35 as long as it does not break stuff, i'll merge it 14:35:12 maxm: :) 14:35:43 victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has joined #lisp 14:35:55 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:36:48 -!- spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Quit: spacefrogg_] 14:36:56 maxm  more fun to add a little production system on the log process to I can make the code play tones as it runs :) 14:37:15 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-241-60-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:37:33 well actually grep/compare is not a bad idea 14:37:46 but maybe diff function name with its own DWIM shortcuts 14:38:20 segv- [~mb@95-91-241-60-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 14:39:00 (log:memory :run-a) ;; adds memory appender named thus 14:39:28 (log:memory :replace :run-b) ;; removes run-a, adds run-b 14:39:44 (log:memory :grep "blah") (log:memory :diff run-a run-b) 14:39:45 etc 14:39:58 or whatever seems most useful 14:40:31 *maxm* can see it being very helpful, right now I'm doing the above, by logging to file, then manually pasting into 2 emacs buffers and running diff 14:42:14 diff doesn't apply much in my use cases, but I can see how it's a cool add  particularly for automated regression test 14:42:28 miql [~miql@ip72-201-117-127.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 14:44:24 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 14:44:32 pjb- [~pjb-@LPuteaux-156-15-31-124.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 14:45:03 antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-gnzyeftcsdpoxmya] has joined #lisp 14:45:55 i've also considered something like (log:monitor :look-for-pattern-x (make-instance 'monitor-for-x))  i.e. adding monitor objects that have a protocol for keeping an eye out for rings, or collection stats  these might not be very performant though 14:46:06 *bhyde* recalls "ideas are cheap" 14:46:19 -!- benkard [~benkard@ppp-93-104-186-167.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 14:47:41 well Log4J added filters on appenders actually 14:47:44 which is built-in grep 14:48:32 maybe should go into that direction.. It requires that user message be run through (with-output-to-string), but I see no workaround really.. 14:48:48 -!- zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:48:54 -!- brudgers [~opera@68-119-80-136.dhcp.mtgm.al.charter.com] has left #lisp 14:49:07 (log:config) already enumerates appenders 14:49:25 so (log:config :filter "regexp") could be interface for that 14:49:57 just need to think a bit, maybe there is way to avoid consing.. Hmm what about using your own stream 14:50:11 satshabad [~satshabad@pool-173-58-100-240.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:50:13 grey stream that filters stuff that is 14:50:31 i'm thinking that maybe the log:memory idea ought actually be log:appender-extended-control 14:51:35 Yeah, so many choices  for me the key thing is to build an in-memory model about which I can then browse, reason, etc  i.e. I want to filter late. 14:51:56 ah ok, then you need to store everything 14:52:17 at first I was thinking this in-memory log would be quite symbolic, but in the end I think strings are probably better, since that means the analysis tools work on log files as well 14:52:52 why not just store it in a file 14:53:36 _d3f [~gnu@ip-static-94-242-252-66.as5577.net] has joined #lisp 14:53:52 ie memory-logs/whatever.txt, but you make metadata printed with prin1, so you can read it (ie time print as universal-time) 14:54:18 then you reduce your module, to managing file appenders, and displaying and filtering files 14:54:20 -!- pjb- [~pjb-@LPuteaux-156-15-31-124.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: from my iPad] 14:54:27 that maybe the logical consequence of tending toward a purely textual record of what happened,  i guess I'm still on the fence about how symbolic the trace can be 14:54:44 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 14:55:45 keeping the browse/analysis/etc. stuff off to one side, so it's not part of log4cl seems like a good thing 14:57:08 what pushes me somewhat in the other direction is a love for tying monitoring code into the logging process; i.e. if you form a hypothesis that some pattern is happening only rarely and you want to catch it in the wild then you inject something into the logging to watch for it 14:57:29 not that there isn't sufficient affordances already to do that 14:57:29 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 14:58:12 i don't think this chat reaches a conclusion, i just wanted to mumble abut what I'm doing with you. :) 15:00:16 thats cool, rambling around actually good way to generate ideas for me too 15:00:16 zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 15:01:49 -!- Hans__ [~weechat@115.132.170.124] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 15:04:26 nilsi [~nilsi@c-5eeaaa7a-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined #lisp 15:06:36 I think non-textual logging is vitally important you can format it in a variety of ways after-the-fact rather than the slow, be-all-end-all approach.... 15:06:42 *patrickwonders* two cents 15:07:01 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:07:30 smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has joined #lisp 15:08:15 patrickwonders:  yeah  and then log4cl currently has text logging in it's blood stream 15:09:32 there are all kinds of fun differential encoding, which in turn enables logging larger datums, that start opening up if the logs are non-textual 15:09:49 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 15:11:13 well there the function that expands (log:expr), I forgot what its called 15:12:11 -!- fsvehla [~fsvehla@chello084112185050.3.11.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: fsvehla] 15:12:11 there is also slime-presentation-stream, which retains refs to objects printed 15:12:11 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:12:18 so you can inspect them from slime 15:12:36 but I think it uses a wrapper around (print-object).. 15:12:48 benkard [~benkard@ppp-93-104-186-167.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #lisp 15:15:02 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@41-135-197-102.dsl.mweb.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:15:51 przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has joined #lisp 15:16:00 Harag [~Thunderbi@41-135-197-102.dsl.mweb.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:17:53 In my previous job, we generated 8Gb of binary logs per hour per site. You never wanted to be stuck formatting more than a few minutes worth of data unless you really filtered down which types of data you wanted to see. otherwise you blew out dumb filesystem size limits or at least editor limits. 15:18:03 -!- satshabad [~satshabad@pool-173-58-100-240.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:18:59 And, if you were formatting some other group's recording, you probably wanted to pare down the level of detail that got formatted. 15:21:33 that was going into a file right? coz retaining 8 gig of stuff in SBCL gonna blow up GC pretty bad 15:21:40 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:21:52 once I go above around 8 gig on sbcl, gc really takes long time 15:22:11 it depends on the data. 15:22:25 nilsi_ [~nilsi@host-95-199-213-240.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 15:22:53 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 15:23:33 I can easily add (package-option ), to keep reference to all args.. I'd rather not make it default, because the actual (flet) it generates for logging is declared dynamic-extent, and my hope is most compilers do something useful with that 15:24:14 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@41-135-197-102.dsl.mweb.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:24:50 then appender-do-append will receive (stream level orig-logger print-user-message-foo &optional exact runtime args-to-format-print-use-message-foo) 15:24:55 morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d0038ad.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 15:25:59 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@c-5eeaaa7a-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:27:13 Harag [~Thunderbi@41-135-197-102.dsl.mweb.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:27:36 actually dynamic-extent should not screw with it I think.. is (flet ((user-log-foo (stream))) (declare (dynamic-extent #'user-log-foo)) (let ((format-args "stuff" (list a b c d))) (format stream "stuff" a b c d)) (appender-do-append ... #'user-log-foo format-args)) 15:28:04 and then something retains reference to format-args, that should be fine? 15:30:05 actually above the (let ((format-args (lits ..)))) should be outside of flet 15:32:10 maxm: Yes that was going to a file. I missed most of the discussion, but I just want to make sure anyone working on logging libraries are aware that there are lots of situations where it doesn't make sense to keep the log in human-readable form... 15:33:15 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:34:23 -!- MoALTz_ is now known as MoALTz 15:37:01 *maxm* starts to flesh out an idea in his head, really minimalistic 15:37:51 add an attribute to logger object, basically same as "level", but called "binary logging".. Its inherited just like level, so you can set it for root logger, or individual package or such 15:38:09 -!- newblue [~newblue@113.84.213.168] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:38:36 then if binary-logging flag is set, when logger gets message, appender-do-append receives additional &optional parameter, which is a list of exact args to (format ...) 15:38:48 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.5.171] has joined #lisp 15:38:48 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.5.171] has quit [Changing host] 15:38:48 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 15:39:16 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:39:17 since I'm the one generating format, I can make these dynamic-extent conses, creating very minimal overhead 15:39:35 is there function in lisp to read number as float/double or I should write one by myself? 15:39:37 and if some "binary-appender" wants to retain them, they have to do (copy-list) 15:39:39 yeah, and then the cost-per log stm is only building that list, rather than the formatting cost  so it might actually be lighter weight 15:40:10 yup, formatting is never called if appender does not call the #'user-log-foo 15:40:31 ok, I'll implement this, but don't expect it before end of the week :-) 15:41:00 hitecnologys: reading floating point numbers is non-trivial. I'd recommend just calling (read) and checking that the type you got back was a real number and then coerce that to whichever float type you wanted. 15:41:05 "formatting is never called" i would expect nothing less :) 15:42:11 patrickwonders: I'm actually writing server that will receive floats by bytes so reading is completely inefficient 15:42:18 hitecnologys: Or read-from-string 15:42:31 hitecnologys: *read-default-float-format* and a preflight to be sure it's number like, and then use read-from-string 15:43:00 or search for "defun parse-float" 15:43:09 axion [~axion@lngdnd-ai02-74-214-211-129.utma.com] has joined #lisp 15:43:18 minion: tell hitecnologys about parse-number 15:43:18 parse-number: No definition was found in the first 5 lines of http://www.cliki.net/parse-number 15:43:55 Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 15:44:17 hitecnologys: receive them by bytes? ASCII bytes or IEEE formatted floats one byte at a time? If the former, then read-from-string if the latter, then http://common-lisp.net/project/ieee-floats/ 15:44:40 patrickwonders: sure, byte by byte 15:45:20 patrickwonders: wow, that looks pretty helpful, thanks a lot 15:45:33 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:46:22 poor minion lost his doorway into cliki 15:47:31 and then there is (ql:system-apropos "number") and (ql:system-apropos "float")  so many options! 15:47:35 *bhyde* hats choices 15:47:51 *bhyde* hatz spelling corrector 15:48:59 *maxm* has this idea for a website, where people can have conversations entirely in meme pictures 15:49:10 go run with it, make millions :-) 15:49:55 just in case someone does, above ideas is (c) me, I want 5% if sell it to Google for a billion 15:50:55 -!- thatJasonSmith [~vader@ip68-102-56-198.ks.ok.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:51:34 http://sandiego.startupweekend.org/files/2011/02/lolcat.jpg 15:51:44 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-108-192-103-248.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:52:27 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-108-192-103-248.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:53:24 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-108-192-103-248.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:53:26 cdidd [~cdidd@128-69-198-61.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 15:53:51 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-108-192-103-248.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:53:51 -!- schoppenhauer [~quassel@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 15:53:54 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-108-192-103-248.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:53:55 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@host-95-199-213-240.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:54:08 schoppenhauer [~quassel@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 15:54:09 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.118.12.232] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:00:35 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:01:23 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:03:07 bitonic [~user@176.251.45.65] has joined #lisp 16:03:36 -!- NimeshNeema [uid2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xhxvdyuybqfrfbhn] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:04:24 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1-dev] 16:07:39 -!- zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:09:29 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 16:11:35 eldariof [~CLD@188.168.242.178] has joined #lisp 16:12:13 Oladon_work [~Oladon@50-201-69-34-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 16:13:36 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:15:31 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 16:15:45 rszeno [~rszeno@79.118.12.232] has joined #lisp 16:17:08 -!- Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.13.16.139] has quit [Quit: used jmIrc] 16:19:41 nan- [~user@46.197.112.126] has joined #lisp 16:21:16 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 16:21:55 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.35.177] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 16:24:21 fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 16:24:30 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@41-135-197-102.dsl.mweb.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:24:37 -!- benkard [~benkard@ppp-93-104-186-167.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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The branch is https://github.com/7max/fiveam/tree/test-as-defun , all fiveam tests continue to pass, you can now go to the source, or call tests or suites like (%test-the-test-name) 19:03:12 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #lisp 19:04:33 For me to switch, I'll have to add the functionality of each test having args when called from other tests, as I use that a lot actually 19:05:31 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:06:57 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 19:12:00 killsto [~killian@ip70-179-169-110.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #lisp 19:13:01 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 19:13:23 -!- mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:14:38 huss [~user@host176.190-225-90.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 19:16:22 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl18-101-72.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 19:17:26 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 19:19:44 -!- strobegen [~strobegen@64.120.223.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:20:21 strz [~strobegen@64.120.223.138] has joined #lisp 19:20:22 -!- strz is now known as strobegen 19:22:07 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.20.31.145] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22:41 -!- paddymahoney [~patrick@24.137.221.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:23:55 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:25:05 maxm: please subscribe to the mailing list, since I might have some questions and I'd like other people to be able to chime in 19:25:36 paddymahoney [~patrick@24.137.221.230] has joined #lisp 19:27:01 hmm subscribe link broken on common-lisp.net gives 404, forgot whats the right way to subscribe by email? 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Does Common Lisp has something similar, or do I have to resort to macros? 22:10:41 there's no-applicable-method but it's not the same 22:11:15 yeah, with no-applicable-method I'd have to define the generic function 22:11:33 -!- satshabad [~satshabad@134.71.209.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:12:38 Denommus: there is no equivalent to method_missing in common lisp 22:12:45 so you want to be able to call nonexistent functions and define what happens, huh? sounds nasty 22:13:02 Bike: that is what metaprogramming in ruby is all about 22:13:14 i've heard rumors but i try to be charitable 22:14:24 Bike: not exactly. I want to define a single pattern, but lots of functions that follow it with few differences 22:14:53 but... yeah, I can do the same with macros. Already did 22:15:13 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:15:46 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:17:07 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 22:19:43 antgreen [~green@rrcs-98-101-136-2.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:20:21 you can actually do it with restarts 22:20:24 imho 22:21:04 -!- ered [~ered@75-101-56-39.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:21:07 just tested with macros. I found it a bit prettier, and has the advantage of running evaluating in compile time, instead of execution time 22:21:10 ie handler-bind, catch a condition for hopefully a specific enough error like undefined function 22:21:20 then generate lambda on the fly, and return that value 22:22:25 hm... yes, it could work 22:22:51 you can't define a top-level handler, and also that would be ugly as heck 22:22:55 but it would be ugly 22:23:26 if you know all the functions beforehand, programmatically, no reason to delay that to runtime 22:23:32 what I learned today is that I shouldn't program in Lisp as I would in Ruby 22:23:52 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:23:56 Denommus: definitely true 22:25:11 -!- antgreen [~green@rrcs-98-101-136-2.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:25:25 I think this is prettier than evaluating in runtime. What do you think? http://paste.lisp.org/display/137244 22:25:37 only to be clear, that's just an example, it's not exactly what I want :) 22:26:08 -!- drichards [~user@c-98-232-26-203.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:09 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27:27 -!- bitonic [~user@176.251.45.65] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:27:58 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-163-217.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:29:33 yea restarts are also a no go without a code walker 22:30:08 for some reason I vaguely remember "define function" restart, must have been on some other implementation 22:30:41 whist [~whist@c-98-232-204-76.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:30:45 Lis [~Lis@p3E9E9598.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 22:32:41 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 22:32:51 I'm leaving, thanks for your opinions 22:32:53 goodbye 22:32:58 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Quit: going to play] 22:33:26 drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 22:34:31 ered [~ered@75-101-56-39.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 22:35:50 rosario [~rosario@fsf/member/rosario] has joined #lisp 22:36:11 -!- rosario [~rosario@fsf/member/rosario] has left #lisp 22:37:48 antgreen [~green@rrcs-98-101-136-2.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:38:13 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:39:20 rosario [~rosario@fsf/member/rosario] has joined #lisp 22:39:22 -!- rosario [~rosario@fsf/member/rosario] has left #lisp 22:40:54 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:40:55 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 22:41:27 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.87.66] has joined #lisp 22:41:43 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:41:43 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 22:42:22 -!- redscare1 [~Adium@18.205.1.187] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:44:01 -!- ch077179 [~ch077179@unaffiliated/ch077179] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:44:33 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:49:33 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 22:52:39 hmm what is the typical way dynamic-extent works for lists? 22:53:43 If I wanted to build a list have it stack allocated, and know the list length in advance 22:54:25 -!- Bike [~Glossina@174-25-46-191.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:54:27 something like (let ((var (list a b c d))) (declare (dynamic-extentd var)) ... (foobar var)) 22:54:42 foobar will use copy-list if it wants to retain it.. 22:55:11 from what I remember above does not work in SBCL, have to actually build list out of (cons) calls, declaring each cons as variable, and as dynamic-extent 22:56:08 -!- smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.3.1] 22:56:16 Bike [~Glossina@174-25-46-191.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:56:28 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-213-240.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:57:40 actually forget it, I just thought of another trick that eliminates it anyway 22:58:03 -!- Nosceteipsum [~Nosceteip@g231148212.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:58:17 -!- Oladon_work [~Oladon@50-201-69-34-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:58:27 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-236-226.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:58:30 it works on platforms you're likely to use, if you type dynamic-extent right. 22:58:42 well, its about that binary logging idea 22:59:03 and I thought, well, if someone enables binary logging, they gonna store the list of args anyway 22:59:44 so I'll just do it like this.. (appender-do-append .... (if (..had-reachable-binary-appender) (vector arg1 arg2 arg3))) 23:00:38 why use list, since if someone gonna store 10000 log statements, vector gonna save space anyway I assume 23:00:39 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.87.66] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:25 what? I'm pretty sure both people who discussed binary logging meant logging to files in a machine-parsable format. 23:02:19 well all I'm providing is a mechanism for appender to receive non-textual args of a log statement. Its up to appender to do whatever with it 23:02:25 jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has joined #lisp 23:02:31 write to file, keep a buffer of last 500 messages, or such 23:03:23 Hello everyone. I am new to lisp and try to use this package: https://github.com/froydnj/archive But I do not understand how to load it without asdf. Can someone help me? 23:03:24 it seems bhyde guy actually wants to store them in memory (I assume a buffer with a limit), and have various /grep/ type stuff on them.. 23:03:58 Lis: why without asdf? also, (ql:quickload "archive") works 23:04:02 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@128-69-198-61.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:23 but the mechanism i'm thinking about is just provides ability, I'm not gonna have any kind of binary appenders in the distribution itself 23:05:16 -!- miql [~miql@ip72-201-117-127.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:05:29 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 23:06:35 Bike_ [~Glossina@71-214-81-94.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:06:49 -!- chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-241-240-138.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:06:54 -!- Bike [~Glossina@174-25-46-191.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 23:06:59 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 23:07:37 *maxm* not even gonna code it now, just creating github future/idea issues, while discussion is fresh in my mind 23:09:01 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:09:34 kirka [~Kirka@109.205.253.139] has joined #lisp 23:10:19 cdidd [~cdidd@93-80-83-148.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 23:13:29 ManAmongHippos [8a1a4027@gateway/web/freenode/ip.138.26.64.39] has joined #lisp 23:14:02 I'm trying to use cl-ppcre, how do I save myself from having to prefix every function I call with cl-ppcre: ? 23:14:20 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:14:30 use the package 23:15:36 -!- d11wtq [~chris@124-148-163-108.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:17:21 -!- natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 23:17:52 ManAmongHippos: what Bike said, and note that it has "ppcre" as nickname too 23:18:13 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:18:14 you can use ppcre: prefix too.. 23:18:24 sbcl is telling me that use is an undefined function 23:18:38 ManAmongHippos: personally I like to use :import-from rather than :use with third party packages 23:18:41 its actually surprising it does not use :re as nickname, seems (re:scan) (re:match) would be a natural fit 23:19:27 newer sbcl has package-local nicknames, so you can call it "re" just in your package 23:19:35 *maxm* have not tried them tho 23:19:43 ManAmongHippos: if you have your own package (as you should) defined using defpackage, you should add the :use clause there 23:19:59 adeht: Gotcha, I see this now. 23:20:05 Thank you 23:20:16 nug700_ [~nug700@184-98-126-34.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:20:55 rosario [~rosario@fsf/member/rosario] has joined #lisp 23:22:09 -!- nug700 [~nug700@174-19-138-150.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:23:48 -!- rosario [~rosario@fsf/member/rosario] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:25:46 -!- victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has quit [Quit: Leaving IRC - dircproxy 1.2.0] 23:27:33 nug700 [~nug700@174-19-132-176.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:29:37 -!- nug700_ [~nug700@184-98-126-34.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:35:19 -!- Thra11 [~Thra11@146.90.101.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:35:30 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl18-101-72.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 23:37:51 chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-241-240-138.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:38:18 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:43:49 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:50:22 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.145.33.41] has joined #lisp 23:51:28 zRecursive [~czsq888@118.112.156.10] has joined #lisp 23:57:55 nug700_ [~nug700@174-19-128-28.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:59:15 Hydan [~hydan@ip-89-103-110-5.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp