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http://www.meetup.com/cl-pdx/ 05:52:53 rather than be a catch-all meetup this is specifically for common lisp 05:54:36 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:54:47 sweet. i will add it to the calendar! 05:55:44 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:56:07 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 05:57:31 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 05:58:00 -!- satshabad [~satshabad@pool-173-58-100-240.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:58:19 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:58:34 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:58:48 photex: Neat! didn't know there was enough interest here in Portland 05:59:11 protist [~protist@18.173.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has joined #lisp 05:59:28 I have no idea to be honest 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Does that even make sense? 14:05:31 It's something that I would consider doing if I needed it. 14:06:14 I'm starting to re-integrate my C++ code with Common Lisp and I'm re-evaluating how I expose C++ classes to Common Lisp and how I would go about serializing them using MAKE-LOAD-FORM. 14:07:25 Are FFI exposed C structs defined as STRUCTUREs or CLASSes in CL? 14:08:01 -!- drmeiste_ is now known as drmeister 14:08:07 That would depend on the FFI, surely? 14:08:40 or neither. 14:09:24 Now that I start asking questions I realize that my thoughts are a little half-baked. I think I should go and read how CL FFI's work. 14:09:30 josemanuel [~josemanue@83.198.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 14:09:54 I think that I'd be more likely to use LOAD-TIME-VALUE or such than MAKE-LOAD-FORM, though I could see it going either way depending on the scenario. 14:10:29 Because I have all these C++ classes that I want to expose to CL and they contain ints and doubles and all sorts of other C++ structs and classes. 14:11:52 The real question is, do they need to be print-read consistent in any way, shape, or form? 14:12:04 The question is, do I defined these C++ classes with BUILT-IN, STRUCTURE, CLASS or some other meta-class. 14:12:15 Do you need to be able to serialize them in FASLs? 14:12:37 Or, more accurately, do you need for USERS to be able to serialize them in FASLs? 14:12:42 nyef: I do need to serialize them because I want to transmit them between cores in multi-core programs. 14:12:59 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:13:48 Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@177.224.212.169] has joined #lisp 14:13:51 Previously I was serializing everything using a serialization method for every class and using XML to represent them. 14:14:19 davazp [~user@92.251.169.68.threembb.ie] has joined #lisp 14:14:29 Now I'm thinking of using the CL reader and MAKE-LOAD-FORM machinery of CL. 14:15:43 -!- otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:15:44 I'm wrestling with the implementation details of how to do all this now that I have the CL language part basically done. 14:15:48 Sounds like you have a research project in front of you, then. 14:16:51 guiambros [~guiambros@z65-50-88-217.ips.direcpath.com] has joined #lisp 14:17:18 Yes. 14:19:11 Is MAKE-LOAD-FORM used by the CL printer to generate READable forms of objects in CL? 14:19:31 Kvaks [~kvaks@116.157.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 14:22:03 billstclair [~billstcla@p-67-158-165-13.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 14:22:03 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@p-67-158-165-13.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:22:03 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 14:22:51 Lis [~Lis@p3E9E9598.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 14:23:28 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:25:10 -!- Nosceteipsum [~Nosceteip@c192252.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:25:18 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:25:41 Nosceteipsum [~Nosceteip@g231148249.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 14:29:45 otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has joined #lisp 14:33:06 -!- davazp [~user@92.251.169.68.threembb.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:36:19 `samebchase [~samuel@vpn.cmcvellore.ac.in] has joined #lisp 14:36:35 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:37:53 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:39:00 -!- benkard [~benkard@ppp-188-174-156-119.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:39:16 -!- guiambros [~guiambros@z65-50-88-217.ips.direcpath.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:41:37 benkard [~benkard@ppp-188-174-156-119.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #lisp 14:44:41 -!- `samebchase [~samuel@vpn.cmcvellore.ac.in] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:45:07 nug700 [~nug700@174-19-133-117.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 14:46:42 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 14:48:01 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:49:51 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:50:45 -!- benkard [~benkard@ppp-188-174-156-119.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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I've had PRINT-OBJECT called before, but never tried specializing MAKE-LOAD-FORM. 15:41:39 http://i.imgur.com/Xgv9HCx.png 15:42:21 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 15:42:34 hi 15:42:58 ahh no, actually its the same.. I just had my browser window really wide, got thrown off by paragraphs taking 5 lines in *info* and 2 lines in a browser 15:43:04 is there a function or library where I can strip the diacritics of a string? 15:43:41 AeroNotix [~xeno@abog223.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 15:43:48 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 15:45:10 hmm babel? check if it has "gracefully degrade mode", other API for translating between encoding, has option to do that (perl?), maybe babel has same 15:45:46 adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 15:46:17 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:46:29 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:47:03 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:48:01 adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 15:48:07 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:54:39 pierpa [~user@95.236.59.155] has joined #lisp 15:55:05 jocke_pirat [~kgarricks@c-75-73-84-128.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:56:31 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 16:00:33 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:01:21 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 16:02:07 -!- jocke_pirat [~kgarricks@c-75-73-84-128.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has left #lisp 16:02:32 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:04:48 jocke_pirat [~kgarricks@c-75-73-84-128.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:05:00 -!- ehu` [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:05:14 mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has joined #lisp 16:08:10 xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-47-196.w90-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 16:11:28 -!- jocke_pirat [~kgarricks@c-75-73-84-128.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12:13 -!- mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:12:37 -!- w37 [~user@31.221.13.71] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:15:42 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 16:15:54 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:17:52 redscare [~Adium@18.189.82.129] has joined #lisp 16:20:38 -!- xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-47-196.w90-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:26:24 MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-108-38-175-139.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:26:51 eldariof [~CLD@188.168.242.178] has joined #lisp 16:32:23 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 16:32:37 -!- protist [~protist@1.174.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:33:01 -!- taraz [~user@p5DCA36B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:33:05 Denommus` [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus/x-89635553] has joined #lisp 16:33:23 nug700_ [~nug700@174-19-132-252.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:33:42 nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@129.10.166.65] has joined #lisp 16:35:31 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:35:41 -!- nug700 [~nug700@174-19-133-117.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:36:29 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:37:16 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:38:56 madalu [~user@unaffiliated/madalu] has joined #lisp 16:42:20 tigranes [~tigranes@static-50-53-64-118.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has joined #lisp 16:42:53 vsync [~vsync@wsip-98-175-216-162.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:43:24 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:43:29 -!- Denommus` is now known as Denommus 16:43:42 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus/x-89635553] has quit [Changing host] 16:43:42 Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 16:43:42 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Changing host] 16:43:42 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus/x-89635553] has joined #lisp 16:45:19 Hi! Is there an easier way to get a random key from a hash table than iterating through (random (hash-table-count ht)) keys of the table? 16:47:18 tigranes: I'm not aware of one. If you need efficient random access of keys, you might want to use your own associative data structure that can do that. 16:47:37 -!- vsync [~vsync@wsip-98-175-216-162.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:47:41 I see. Thanks! 16:47:47 Oladon_work [~Oladon@50-201-69-34-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 16:48:27 tigranes: or you can create an array with the keys, access the array randomly and using its result to access the values randomly 16:48:52 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:49:04 Oh, that could work. That way I only iterate once. Excellent idea, thank you! 16:49:10 vsync [~vsync@wsip-98-175-216-162.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:49:35 I'm getting an invalid byte sequence error (in charset:utf-8 conversion) when trying to compile a file, and I've tried changing the four encoding variables, as well as restarting clisp with the -E option... and I'm not finding any other suggestions from searching. Any ideas? 16:50:08 Oladon_work: are you sure the file is saved with the right encoding? 16:50:28 Denommus: that's a good soultion if you won't be doing any deletes from the hash-table 16:50:37 Denommus: I'm not positive. It's the Ystok-library package from http://lisp.ystok.ru/ylib/ 16:50:42 How can I check that? 16:51:09 Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #lisp 16:51:46 Oladon_work: What operating system? 16:51:55 debian 16:52:17 with clisp 2.48 16:52:25 What does 'echo $LANG' say? 16:52:59 It's en_US.UTF-8, but as I said, I've tried overriding that with clisp -E to specify a 1:1 encoding 16:53:17 Oladon_work: setting the locale to en_US.ISO-8859-1 should at least allow loading without errors 16:53:27 Yes there can be overriding entries in the ASDF file, too.... 16:53:29 Oladon_work: you're likely to get gibberish on any non ascii characters though 16:53:58 jasom: I've tried that based on the suggestion at http://www.clisp.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-enc-err -- but no dice, it still gives the error 16:55:37 killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has joined #lisp 16:56:28 ski [~na@t-2020-07.studat.chalmers.se] has joined #lisp 16:56:55 -!- vsync [~vsync@wsip-98-175-216-162.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:00:17 -!- miql [~miql@ip72-201-117-127.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:00:28 patrickwonders: What do you recommend? 17:00:53 Oladon_work: playing around just a minute... 17:01:11 patrickwonders: No worries. Appreciate the help... this has been frustrating me since last night 17:01:19 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 17:01:40 satshabad [~satshabad@pool-173-58-100-240.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:01:43 *patrickwonders* nods saw your late-night message when I hopped on this morning... 17:01:48 hehe 17:02:05 I thought I'd made progress, but nooooo 17:02:07 :) 17:02:17 -!- antgreen [~green@64.56.249.62] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:02:19 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:03:55 ehu` [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 17:05:17 vsync [~vsync@wsip-98-175-216-162.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 17:05:23 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:05:53 killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has joined #lisp 17:06:35 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-133-246.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:07:08 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 17:07:31 Well, I got it installed... I /totally/ cheated, but... I ended up removing all the non-ASCII characters from the problematic files. :P 17:07:46 Oladon_work: This works for me on CLISP on MacOSX do this before loading ystok-library: (setf custom:*default-file-encoding* charset:iso-8859-1) 17:07:54 patrickwonders: I tried that :( 17:08:36 Hmm I don't have debian and I don't have clisp installed on Ubuntu. 17:08:45 Hmm. 17:09:02 In the event that it helps, I'm getting the same error on CentOS 17:09:26 (clisp 2.49) 17:10:11 Maybe try adding ":encoding :default" to the ystok-library.asd 17:11:55 Ok, will try. 17:12:50 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.9.198] has joined #lisp 17:12:50 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.9.198] has quit [Changing host] 17:12:50 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 17:12:50 It looks like the offending text is iso-8859-5 though, I suppose () 17:12:56 yeah 17:13:00 I tried changing it to that encoding too. 17:14:17 Ooh, adding :encoding :default seems to have done the trick! 17:14:51 You might like to find a convertor and change all of the files to UTF-8. 17:16:00 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:16:37 Hmm. I don't expect I'll need the Russian text in them 17:16:58 () 17:17:01 Oops... 17:17:02 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 17:17:03 :P 17:17:08 iconv -f iso-8859-5 -t utf-8 < macros.lisp > m 17:17:41 I suppose I could do that. 17:18:40 patrickwonders: Thank you very, very much! 17:18:48 But, if the :encoding :default works and other libraries are okay with the change to the custom:*default-file-encoding* ... 17:18:50 *patrickwonders* nods 17:19:43 -!- victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has quit [Quit: Leaving IRC - dircproxy 1.2.0] 17:32:38 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:35:29 -!- madalu [~user@unaffiliated/madalu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:55 -!- ryankarason is now known as rk[local] 17:37:02 -!- tigranes [~tigranes@static-50-53-64-118.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:37:41 miql [~miql@ip72-201-117-127.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 17:38:39 -!- nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@129.10.166.65] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:38:41 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:40:36 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:42:10 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-133-246.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:42:13 m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.214.158] has joined #lisp 17:45:04 ryankarason [~rak@cpe-76-189-227-224.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:48:20 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 17:48:22 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: ] 17:49:09 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.20.26] has joined #lisp 17:51:54 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.221.3] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:52:10 nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@129.10.166.65] has joined #lisp 17:55:41 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-133-246.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:58:15 -!- joshe [~joshe@opal.elsasser.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:59:47 joshe [~joshe@opal.elsasser.org] has joined #lisp 18:00:18 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:01:12 xificurC [~xificurC@adsl-dyn183.78-99-137.t-com.sk] has joined #lisp 18:03:34 doomlord___ [~servitor@host109-151-240-30.range109-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 18:05:36 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 261 seconds] 18:05:36 -!- doomlord__ [~servitor@host86-135-20-35.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:06:27 spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 18:07:11 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:09:34 -!- ragnul [~rjain@66-234-32-156.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:10:25 jocke_pirat [~kgarricks@c-75-73-84-128.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:13:38 nan- [~user@46.197.112.126] has joined #lisp 18:18:07 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:21:09 nug700 [~nug700@184-98-125-252.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:22:28 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abog223.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:22:59 -!- nug700_ [~nug700@174-19-132-252.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:23:45 -!- redscare [~Adium@18.189.82.129] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:24:22 redscare [~Adium@18.189.82.129] has joined #lisp 18:27:07 -!- redscare [~Adium@18.189.82.129] has quit [Client Quit] 18:28:24 -!- nug700 [~nug700@184-98-125-252.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 18:29:44 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:29:53 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:31:02 doomlord__ [~servitor@host81-151-238-105.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 18:32:32 _veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:32:32 -!- _veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:32:32 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 18:33:09 nug700 [~nug700@184-98-125-252.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:33:16 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 18:33:18 -!- doomlord___ [~servitor@host109-151-240-30.range109-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:34:03 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@159.84-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 18:34:04 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@159.84-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Changing host] 18:34:04 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 18:34:46 how do you write macrolets? first write with defmacro then convert to macrolet (or there is an obvious way to macroexpand them and i am again clueless) 18:35:36 Well, depends on the complexity of the macrolet. 18:35:40 AeroNotix [~xeno@aboj182.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 18:35:45 I have yet to find a case for macrolet that's not better suited for a defmacro 18:35:53 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@aboj182.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 18:35:54 You can indeed call macroexpand. 18:36:09 dlowe: it occurs, when you define a mini DSL to implement an algorithm. 18:36:09 AeroNotix [~xeno@aboj182.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 18:36:43 pjb: with a library? 18:37:01 nan-: my macrolets tend to be simple and quickly defer to a toplevel function or macro. 18:37:03 pjb: I'd say that was a neutral contribution rather than a positive one 18:37:09 -!- _d3f [~gnu@ip-static-94-242-252-66.as5577.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:38:31 *dlowe* shrugs. 18:38:43 I don't feel that strongly about it 18:39:00 dlowe: very small, single-shot convenience macros are okay as macrolets. 18:39:58 See for example https://gitorious.org/com-informatimago/com-informatimago/blobs/master/common-lisp/rfc2822/rfc2822.lisp#line100 18:40:38 dlowe: you can probably say same thing for flet/labels but i hate to see them toplevel when they do nothing else but just a helper in another fn/macro 18:40:51 thanks pjb 18:41:09 call-next-method is usually implemented as a macrolet is it not? 18:41:13 There are other examples of macrolet in com.informatimago. 18:41:20 oh, nevermind. 18:41:22 luis: no, it's a function. 18:41:32 yeah, brain fart there. 18:41:32 flet. 18:41:33 can I use ASDF instead of make or rake? 18:41:43 Yes. 18:41:52 You should even, for lisp code :-) 18:42:34 nan-: see also https://gitorious.org/com-informatimago/com-informatimago/blobs/master/common-lisp/cesarum/dfa.lisp#line261 18:42:35 davazp [~user@178.167.143.120.threembb.ie] has joined #lisp 18:42:45 it's not for lisp code, actually. I want to generate a database, and how make handles file dependency seems ideal for my work 18:43:21 Denommus: it's also possible indeed to use asdf to compile or run other kinds of jobs. You only have to define methods on operations. 18:43:40 It's OO based, so it's highly customizable. 18:43:54 http://common-lisp.net/project/asdf/asdf/ 18:44:04 Denommus: make and rake are command-line tools, asdf is not 18:46:02 It's a command-sexp tool. 18:46:35 I fail to feel any difference between typing: (asdf:oos 'asdf:load-op :system) or (make load-op TARGET=system) 18:46:43 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:48:02 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:48:35 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@108-225-26-178.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:48:54 pjb: i checked both examples but i don't see how they can help me to macroexpand, or maybe they are macrolet usage examples (that is nice too!)? 18:49:33 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 18:49:37 -!- kennyd [kennyd@93-138-32-198.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:50:29 redscare [~Adium@18.189.82.129] has joined #lisp 18:51:09 kennyd [~kennyd@78-0-236-221.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 18:52:50 pjb, fe[nl]ix: thank you both. I think I'll stick with rake, since it's command line and I understand ruby better than make 18:52:53 k0001 [~k0001@host86.186-108-166.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 18:53:09 -!- redscare [~Adium@18.189.82.129] has quit [Client Quit] 18:54:12 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-149-171.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:54:13 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.249] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:55:30 nan-: have you read clhs macroexpand? 18:57:31 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@108-225-26-178.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:59:09 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:59:57 killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has joined #lisp 19:00:05 pjb: i've read it before but didn't help. i'll read it again. btw i have no problem macroexpanding defmacro if it matters 19:00:40 axion [~axion@lngdnd-ai02-74-214-211-129.utma.com] has joined #lisp 19:01:06 http://paste.lisp.org/+2XVT 19:01:09 -!- rking1 is now known as rking 19:03:22 -!- rking [~rking@unaffiliated/rking] has left #lisp 19:04:43 -!- thatJasonSmith [~vader@ip68-102-56-198.ks.ok.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:06:31 -!- miql [~miql@ip72-201-117-127.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:07:32 i'll just shamelessly ask, is there a slimey way of doing that? 19:10:48 bhyde [~bhyde@static-70-20-25-74.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:10:59 dtm [~dtm@adsl-69-110-9-4.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 19:13:43 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:15:32 nan-: I don't know. Try them: M-x apropos RET slime macroexpand RET 19:15:43 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:16:30 Can I tell SBCL _not_ to reduce fractions, because I know that the same denominator will come again? 19:16:46 flip214: no. 19:17:08 You can implement your own ratios. 19:17:28 And anyways, you don't know when the implementation reduces the ratios. 19:17:49 For all we know, it may do that only when printing them, or explicitely asking for numerator or denominator. 19:18:39 pjb: that was the problem, none of the slime expansion functions work on macrolet. thanks anyways i'll keep searching! 19:18:59 Searching for what? 19:19:11 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.20.50.245] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:20:31 a way to macroexpand macrolet with slime like i do with defmacro 19:20:32 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:20:35 nan-: slime has support for codewalking macrolet. 19:21:13 it does? how? 19:21:40 thatJasonSmith [~vader@ip68-102-56-198.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 19:21:44 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-149-171.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: none] 19:21:49 pkhuong: i tried all functions slime-expand* slime-macroexpand* but it doesn't work for me, how? 19:22:19 I'd try slime-macroexpand-all 19:22:52 subtlepath [~walker@subtlepath.com] has joined #lisp 19:23:54 does anyone have a recommendation for a MOP-based object store? 19:24:22 I know about several options; I'm curious if anyone has used or is using any of them. 19:24:54 Denommus` [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus/x-89635553] has joined #lisp 19:25:09 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus/x-89635553] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:26:29 slime-macroexpand-all wfm. 19:28:38 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-149-171.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:28:58 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:29:12 Both my keybindings are pointing s-m-1 so that is why... thanks pjb pkhuong. not as good as s-m-1 yet finally a solution. 19:29:41 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:29:50 -!- Denommus` is now known as Denommus 19:30:02 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.249] has joined #lisp 19:30:40 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus/x-89635553] has quit [Changing host] 19:30:40 Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 19:30:40 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Changing host] 19:30:40 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus/x-89635553] has joined #lisp 19:30:57 smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has joined #lisp 19:31:02 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:31:31 redscare [~Adium@18.189.50.44] has joined #lisp 19:33:01 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:33:14 -!- redscare [~Adium@18.189.50.44] has quit [Client Quit] 19:33:20 sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 19:34:04 -!- davazp [~user@178.167.143.120.threembb.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:34:21 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:35:26 redscare [~Adium@18.189.50.44] has joined #lisp 19:36:12 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:36:33 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:37:10 miql [~miql@ip72-201-117-127.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 19:37:35 _veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:37:36 -!- _veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:37:36 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 19:38:10 -!- kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has quit [] 19:38:56 guiambros [~guiambros@z65-50-88-217.ips.direcpath.com] has joined #lisp 19:40:15 -!- nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@129.10.166.65] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:44:29 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:46:47 _veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:46:48 -!- _veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:46:48 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 19:48:55 Hrm. I'm fairly certain there's a good way to do this, but I can't seem to figure it out. I've got a loop, the "do" of which produces a list... but I'd like the collect result as one big long list (appended) instead of a list of lists. Any suggestions? 19:50:07 Oladon_work, see the PCL chapter on loop 19:50:20 loop can do append or nconc instead of collect 19:50:38 -!- Joreji [~thomas@70-001.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:50:46 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-213-240.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50:53 jewel: Thanks, I'll go look it up. 19:51:23 mal_: Ah, I just found that in the PCL chapter. 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Shameless self-promotion I know :-) I'll have to write similar emacs plugin for it.. actually its an incentive to covert stuff to lisp too 20:09:16 -!- xificurC [~xificurC@adsl-dyn183.78-99-137.t-com.sk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:09:37 tkd [~tomek@tlahuizcalpantecuhtli.wa.ht] has joined #lisp 20:10:43 anyone interested in shrinking the SBCL core by a few percent? 20:11:06 I'd know a way but don't have the time to learn the SBCL internals 20:11:29 what way? 20:12:51 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 20:13:11 what makes you think it'd work, if you dont know the internals? 20:13:19 basically, whenever a RET or JMP (for x86) is emitted, look at the preceeding bytes, and substitute some common sequences by a JMP to the "common" sequence 20:13:37 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 20:13:59 j`ey: I implemented that for GCC resp. the assembler, via a perl-script that does text-substitution on the intermediate assembler text files in the pipes. 20:14:41 gave me 1-3% smaller binaries with eg. 10-20 common function end sequences; more for libraries like libstdc++ 20:15:09 is about alignment? 20:15:23 it's about time/space tradeoffs 20:15:23 no, removing common byte sequences 20:15:30 flip214: smaller doesn't mean faster 20:15:42 tbh, doesn't sound like a good idea to me 20:15:51 dlowe,stassats: smaller means lower CPU cache footprint. 20:16:11 yeas but more branches.. 20:16:14 -!- agumonkey [~agu@45.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:16:15 yeah, as long as your common code fits into a page 20:16:16 and JMP are processed in the pipeline, so the main parts never see it. 20:16:20 JMPs aren't branches 20:16:30 flip214: that's not true anymore. 20:16:57 agumonkey [~agu@45.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 20:16:57 pkhuong: well, at least cache footprint is reduced, and space is conserved. Ain't that enough? 20:16:58 and more jumps lead to weaker cache utilisation. 20:17:00 wait, how do you jump away from your common sequences? 20:17:11 dlowe: the RET in the common sequence does. 20:17:41 pkhuong: why weaker cache utilization? some bytes are reused more often, how can this be bad? 20:17:41 oic. that's why you're only doing the end of functions 20:18:00 dlowe: or sequences including a JMP to some fixed location. 20:18:25 the working set matters, not the total static size. If most executions hit a single cache line, your transformation can make them hit two cache lines. 20:18:55 if they're common enough, the sequences should always be in the cache 20:20:04 and even if they're not, there's some chance that without the JMP another cacheline would be loaded anyway. 20:20:17 and you're breaking the debugger. 20:20:18 and what are the common sequences in the code generated by sbcl? 20:21:25 stassats: I've got a perl script that uses objdump to build a tree of assembler statements ... not sure how easy that is to use on a SBCL core file. 20:22:25 but emitting RET can "easily" (well, not for me) increment a hashtable entry or something like that ... 20:22:32 should give a fast first estimate. 20:23:05 RET is usually emitted when there is no tail call, otherwise it's a jump 20:23:34 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:23:47 zacharias_ [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 20:24:05 stassats: JMP to a fixed location (like within the code sequence) is another possible termination point. 20:24:06 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:24:14 that can be used for shortening, that is. 20:24:34 UTF-8 is going to be the death of me 20:24:35 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@static-70-20-25-74.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 20:25:20 flip214: so, you get such a reaction because you don't have any actual numbers 20:25:26 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:26:18 flip214, is dangerous, objdump decompile something already compiled, you are playing with a translation which could be wrong 20:28:07 -!- eldariof [~CLD@188.168.242.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:29:23 stassats: I don't think this is a bad reaction ... and I *do* have hard numbers. 20:29:44 i must have missed them 20:31:32 stassats: should I paste several KB here? 20:31:53 just running my old perl script on the clang binary: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 12322656 Mär 31 11:04 clang 20:32:09 -!- nug700 [~nug700@184-98-125-252.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:32:19 clang? that's does interest me 20:32:24 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 20:32:35 Oberon4278 [~dcrooksto@38.113.0.254] has joined #lisp 20:32:54 i need the numbers on: by how much will it reduce code size in SBCL and what is the performance impact on a) resulting code b) compilation speed 20:33:26 s/that's does/that doesn't/ 20:33:27 -!- Myk267 [~myk@unaffiliated/myk267] has quit [Quit: Ack! Hans, run! It's the lhurgoyf!] 20:34:17 If I had that implemented for SBCL I'd just send a patch ... 20:34:34 my script estimates max. 600kB savings. 20:35:18 -!- zacharias_ is now known as zacharias 20:35:45 and SBCL doesn't even have a peephole optimizer, why venture into unknown when you doesn't even have the obvious? 20:36:36 There's a web site I used to visit often whose domain name was something like c2.* or c2e.* It was a sort of wiki (sometimes fairly opinionated) of a lot of kind of obscure CS concepts. 20:36:45 Does anyone know the site I'm talking about? 20:36:45 stassats: if some byte sequence can be shortened by a jump very early on, you don't even _need_ to look for more optimizations in it. 20:36:49 Oberon4278: c2.com 20:37:10 http://c2.com/cgi/wiki, to be exact 20:37:10 Oberon4278: Yes. THE wiki. The original one. The portland pattern repository. 20:37:42 ASau` [~user@p5797E512.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:37:44 That's the one! I tried c2.com but couldn't find the actual wiki. Thank you. 20:37:52 flip214: come again? 20:38:03 stassats: eg. for clang I got http://paste.lisp.org/display/137228 as an example output. 20:39:05 pkhuong: if a specific byte sequence can be "seen" as soon as it's emitted and replaced by a jump to a(n optimized) version, that should be fairly fast. 20:39:42 -!- CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@ucrwpa1-fs-34-67.bulk.ucr.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:40:11 I don't know enough about SBCL internals, but the RET could look at the preceding bytes, and if they match a known sequence they get replaced. So less work for the optimizer (which comes later on), right? 20:40:32 no 20:40:38 no, when the code is emitted in SBCL, it's the final destination 20:40:42 it optimises before 20:40:54 -!- bitonic [~user@151.225.63.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:40:59 that's why SBCL has so horrible generated code at times 20:41:09 -!- ASau [~user@p4FF963D1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:42:11 oh, ok. 20:42:16 flip214, can you give me a link to the perl script?, i'm curios to see it 20:42:48 can somebody remember what the name of the german open source portal is/was? I think I had it there some years ago. 20:42:49 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus/x-89635553] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:43:04 berlios? 20:43:13 stassats: +1, thanks a lot. 20:44:23 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20:45:02 lduros` [~user@pool-108-52-158-66.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:45:18 -!- ehu` [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:45:46 ah, found it. rszeno: script at http://svn.berlios.de/wsvn/redremover/trunk/redrum/src/rr-analyse.pl 20:45:52 CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@ucrwpa1-fs-34-67.bulk.ucr.edu] has joined #lisp 20:46:20 only implemented x86, though. 20:46:22 flip214, thank you 20:47:03 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 259 seconds] 20:48:10 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-235-184.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:48:59 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:49:06 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 20:49:18 for libwireshark I get ~100kB saved because ~7000 times the sequence 20:49:19 "movq %rax,(%rsp) ; callq dissect_per_sequence@plt ; addq $0x18,%rsp ; ret 20:49:50 can be replaced by a simple jump. 20:49:58 s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-242-129.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 20:50:13 another sequence with 38 bytes length occurs 1200 times in the library... 20:50:29 that doesn't sound that impressive 20:51:01 Bike_ [~Glossina@67-5-226-252.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:51:19 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:51:24 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 20:51:42 stassats: I'd guess that many accessor methods could by optimized that way. 20:52:38 -!- CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@ucrwpa1-fs-34-67.bulk.ucr.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:52:39 Don't know what the best way to check that for SBCL is, though. 20:52:49 CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@ucrwpa1-fs-34-67.bulk.ucr.edu] has joined #lisp 20:53:04 Looping through all FBOUND symbols and calling DIASSEMBLE on every one? 20:53:21 but your tool doesnt seem to care what the binary is 20:53:25 flip214: how do you know where instruction boundaries are? 20:53:45 j`ey: it uses objdump, so SBCL core files won't work, I think 20:53:53 jasom: yes, objdump gives them, too. 20:54:08 or are you asking during emitting bytes? 20:54:22 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@78-0-236-221.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:54:23 flip214: no just when replacing common sequences 20:54:25 -!- CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@ucrwpa1-fs-34-67.bulk.ucr.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 20:54:26 Doesn't objdump have an option to disassemble a random chunk of a raw file as though it were in memory at a given address? 20:54:35 CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@ucrwpa1-fs-34-67.bulk.ucr.edu] has joined #lisp 20:54:56 Bike_ [~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:54:57 -!- schoppenhauer [~quassel@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:55:13 -!- setmeaway [setmeaway@119.201.52.138] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:55:25 jasom: my example does text-based replacement. it gets a assembler file, looks for matching blocks, and replaces them. 20:55:25 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-226-252.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:55:28 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 20:55:41 nyef: perhaps. I guess you could make my script work somehow. 20:56:01 Maybe it's easier to do a GDB coredump of a running SBCL process -- can objdump read that? 20:56:03 The core file has a fairly straightforward layout, so "all" you have to do is to write something to walk through the heap looking for code objects, for which see either ROOM or the GC. 20:57:09 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.214.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:57:27 lanthan [~quassel@p2003005F2B373001021F16FFFE36871C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:58:56 -!- Urfin [~user@5.29.23.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:59:23 'bye everyone, have a good night. 20:59:54 bye 21:01:24 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d0038ad.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:01:31 -!- nyef [~nyef@c-50-157-244-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 21:02:32 victor_lowther [~victor.lo@2602:306:3686:aac0:f0b4:ed5f:e432:876d] has joined #lisp 21:02:34 -!- EvW [~Thunderbi@a82-92-190-215.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:03:31 Hrm. 21:05:17 nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-213-240.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 21:05:31 -!- n0vember [~n0vember@liberacescursedpiano.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:06:38 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:08:43 n0vember [~n0vember@liberacescursedpiano.org] has joined #lisp 21:09:39 kennyd [kennyd@78-0-236-221.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 21:09:43 -!- Lis [~Lis@p3E9E9598.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:10:10 EvW [~Thunderbi@a82-92-190-215.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 21:10:47 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:13:50 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:14:52 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-166-132.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:14:53 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:15:12 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 21:15:37 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 21:17:45 davazp [~user@178.167.143.120.threembb.ie] has joined #lisp 21:18:34 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:19:04 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 21:21:12 huss [~user@host193.190-137-232.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 21:24:31 schoppenhauer [~quassel@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 21:24:40 -!- redscare [~Adium@18.189.50.44] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:26:29 -!- Joreji [~thomas@70-001.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:29:05 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34:40 -!- schoppenhauer [~quassel@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:35:01 -!- ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:35:21 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:35:42 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:36:36 Wharrgarbl 21:39:14 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:40:35 Alright... so I'm pulling/parsing a page with closure-html, and I keep getting a "Corrupted UTF-8 input" error. I'm guessing it's got something to do with the page not having an encoding in the headers, but I'm not sure how to keep it from happening. Any ideas? 21:40:43 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@2602:306:3686:aac0:f0b4:ed5f:e432:876d] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:40:43 rvchangue_ [~rvchangue@cpe-024-074-000-226.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:42:10 Oladon_work have url of the page? 21:42:27 i mean can post it? 21:42:33 nialo [~nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 21:42:34 rszeno: Sure, sec. 21:42:42 -!- rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:42:42 -!- rvchangue_ is now known as rvchangue 21:42:42 -!- rvchangue [~rvchangue@cpe-024-074-000-226.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 21:42:43 rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has joined #lisp 21:43:10 http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2prj0?Mount-spell-questions 21:45:43 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@aboj182.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 21:47:43 -!- jocke_pirat [~kgarricks@c-75-73-84-128.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:47:58 ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has joined #lisp 21:48:08 redscare [~Adium@18.189.50.44] has joined #lisp 21:48:09 maybe only if you pass the page from someting like tidy but i don't think is something in lisp 21:48:27 markup is ugly broken 21:49:18 There are a few threads on there that don't have the issue, and the markup gets parsed fine 21:49:24 second option is to make a recovery mechanism like in tidy, but both are long term things 21:49:35 how can I set the cursor to the beginning of line before executing a FORMAT? 21:49:49 Surely there's some way of sanitizing it, rszeno? 21:50:19 maybe filtering bytes with regex or something similar 21:50:20 Denommus: (format t "~& ") 21:50:54 -!- eslg [~esalagaev@92.243.190.94] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:50:57 -!- lduros` [~user@pool-108-52-158-66.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:50:58 simply replacing or remove what is broken 21:51:07 hrm. I'm not sure how to figure out what /is/ corrup 21:51:09 corrupt* 21:51:17 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-236-226.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:52:01 You could work latin-1. 21:52:32 pkhuong: What do you mean? 21:53:09 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c35e0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:53:23 if it's not quite utf-8, latin-1 might be good enough for your needs. 21:54:23 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:42 -!- felideon [~felideon@199.241.28.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:54:57 schoppenhauer [~quassel@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 21:56:15 -!- redscare [~Adium@18.189.50.44] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:56:15 probably true because the url doesn't seem to use utf-8 at all 21:56:29 pkhuong: How do I tell it to use latin-1? 21:56:47 see parse, input argument 21:57:19 http://common-lisp.net/project/closure/closure-html/atdoc/pages/closure-html__fun__parse.html 21:58:03 I've been at that page for a while, but haven't seen anything about encoding. Sorry if I'm being dense. 22:01:18 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:01:43 Doug201 [~Dogu201@rrcs-74-218-55-18.central.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:02:48 is a guess since i can't check it, passig unsigned-byte 8 will probably force it to not try to sync the input 22:03:39 see the array item from input description 22:03:47 pjb: I mean... I want FORMAT to always write on the same line 22:04:03 (princ #\Return) ; but this works only on terminals on which that works. 22:04:14 eg. not in slime REPL, unless you install a specific filter. 22:04:28 I'm running it through ZSH 22:04:35 No. 22:04:39 felideon [~felideon@199.241.28.84] has joined #lisp 22:04:40 -!- felideon [~felideon@199.241.28.84] has quit [Client Quit] 22:04:47 felideon [~felideon@199.241.28.84] has joined #lisp 22:05:30 -!- macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h-199-47.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 22:05:30 so, how do you recommend me to give a progress feedback? 22:05:41 rszeno: Hmm, looking, thanks for the tip 22:06:01 I mean it's irrelevant how you boot your program. The question is what I/O devices it uses. I said "terminal". 22:06:57 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:07:02 xfce4-terminal 22:07:11 welcome, i was looking to something simple but i don't see nothing 22:07:33 Denommus: Then it's ok. CR and LF are the most basic terminal control codes, so it should be ok. 22:07:35 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-213-240.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07:37 I wonder if there's a way for drakma to do something with it. 22:07:46 -!- kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has quit [] 22:08:13 But slime repl doesn't interpret CR: (format t "Hello~CWorld~%" #\Return) prints: Hello 22:08:28 macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h-199-47.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 22:08:28 ooh, external-format-in seems like it might be promising 22:08:32 But slime repl doesn't interpret CR: (format t "Hello~CWorld~%" #\Return) prints: Hello^MWorld 22:08:42 ^M being CR. 22:08:58 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.107.155] has joined #lisp 22:08:59 Oladon_work, like this? http://weitz.de/drakma/#ex-charsets 22:09:14 -!- mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Parting is such sweet sorrow...] 22:10:30 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 22:11:23 rszeno: Yeah, I just tried the :external-format-in :utf-8 and :latin-1, but no dice... same error 22:15:20 bitonic [~user@176.251.45.65] has joined #lisp 22:18:32 is a dav server, maybe you could find a way to ask it explicit to send content without utf-8( i'm looking for this now) 22:19:34 _veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:19:35 -!- _veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:19:35 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 22:19:38 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.249] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:19:46 Oladon_work: are you sure the UTF-8 decoding error happens when downloading the page? 22:19:59 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:20:35 is a guess but it probably fail in the sax parser 22:20:35 pkhuong: It happens in the parsing with closure-html, not the downloading of the page 22:21:24 try to set drakma with content text/xml 22:22:21 i mean content-type 22:22:51 according to http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3023#section-8.5 22:23:16 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:23:18 rszeno: I don't think I can specify the content-type when I'm pulling a page, only when I'm sending content/ 22:23:18 ? 22:23:33 you can with drakma 22:23:51 see http://weitz.de/drakma/#http-request 22:24:24 more exactly http://weitz.de/drakma/#arg-content-type 22:24:46 only if I specify content... 22:26:09 -!- agumonkey [~agu@45.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:27:39 true, my fault, :) 22:28:08 Heh, you had me thinking I was reading it wrong :P 22:28:18 try accept 22:28:19 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Quit: bye] 22:30:04 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.107.155] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:21 Hrm, there don't seem to be any examples of it 22:31:23 There, found one. I tried :accept "text/xml", but no dice on that. 22:31:25 (same error) 22:31:39 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@110.150.95.104] has joined #lisp 22:32:46 -!- schoppenhauer [~quassel@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:33:20 -!- nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@c-24-218-27-188.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34:38 leo2007 [~leo@119.161.133.157] has joined #lisp 22:35:42 -!- AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@99-136-83-34.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35:58 schoppenhauer [~quassel@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 22:37:34 doesn't work here too, the server ignore accept headers, i ask for ascii-latin and respose is utf-8 22:38:38 -!- Oberon4278 [~dcrooksto@38.113.0.254] has quit [] 22:38:40 -!- Nosceteipsum [~Nosceteip@g231148249.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:39:24 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:40:21 milanj [~milanj@cable-94-189-145-213.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 22:42:41 -!- Doug201 [~Dogu201@rrcs-74-218-55-18.central.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:43:32 -!- natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 22:43:43 Oladon_work, i run out of ideas, is a guess but only things that i suspect are ©, – and ® so if you can use a filter to remove &[^;]+; is possible to fix the problem 22:44:18 Hmm. 22:44:24 Alright, thanks. 22:44:36 this if entities are not expanded else you need to deal with utf-8 code points 22:45:29 I made a Common Lisp script for my job. What a nice sensation 22:46:31 benkard [~benkard@ppp-188-174-156-119.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #lisp 22:46:37 #!/usr/bin/clisp -ansi -q -E utf-8 22:46:55 just #!/usr/bin/sbcl --script 22:47:13 clisp boots faster. 22:47:36 the job is pretty big, so boot time doesn't matter 22:47:47 ok 22:49:29 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:50:55 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:52:10 hrm 22:53:32 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:54:08 -!- davazp [~user@178.167.143.120.threembb.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:55:12 -!- d11wtq [~chris@124-148-163-108.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:58:47 well, I may have made a small amount of progress, but I fear it's in the wrong direction... 22:58:54 I found (flexi-streams:octets-to-string) 22:59:36 But it doesn't like the drakma result either :P 23:00:25 drakma only pass what is given 23:02:37 if you can use flexi-stream to output valid xml i guess will work 23:03:06 -!- ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:03:33 Oladon: (chtml:parse (drakma:http-request "http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2prj0?Mount-spell-questions") (chtml:make-pt-builder)) works here 23:08:16 ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has joined #lisp 23:09:11 adeht: The rest of my code is set up assuming stp :/ 23:09:47 Also, I still get the same error with pt-builder -- adeht, what's your default encoding? 23:10:43 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:10:45 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:11:09 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:12:15 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-241-76-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:12:32 spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has joined #lisp 23:14:17 clariprincess [~princesit@201.243.177.232] has joined #lisp 23:15:28 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.20.26] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:17:22 natechan [~natechan@c-71-56-124-186.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:17:28 Oladon: drakma's default is latin-1 23:17:54 adeht: Right, I was asking about your clisp encoding 23:18:03 Oladon: I don't use clisp 23:18:08 I don't even get why Drakma is producing an octet stream for this... it gives a Content-Type 23:20:10 _veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:20:11 -!- _veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:20:11 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 23:22:50 -!- dtm [~dtm@adsl-69-110-9-4.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:23:37 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:24:09 zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #lisp 23:27:23 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:27:39 -!- benkard [~benkard@ppp-188-174-156-119.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 23:29:38 Okay, I've sortof figured it out... 23:29:50 Except there are more questions now. It's apparently tied to my use of :user-agent 23:30:13 I'm trying to be polite to the site owner by declaring myself a bot... but that's causing drakma to mess up the result, apparently. 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