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Not debian's 5.2, but will hopefully make do. 03:54:13 -!- Bike [~Glossina@174-25-48-1.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:54:16 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 03:57:48 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.150.74.250] has joined #lisp 03:59:13 Bike_ [~Glossina@174-25-48-1.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 04:02:20 -!- natechan [~natechan@c-71-56-124-186.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 04:02:20 fare, 4.13 here 04:02:27 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.150.74.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:02:36 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 04:08:30 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.106.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:09:06 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:11:09 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 04:15:33 -!- paddymahoney [~patrick@198-84-186-52.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:17:22 If I set *d-p-d* to something, save a core, cd to do a different place, and start lisp again with the new core, what should the value of *d-p-d* be? 04:18:14 Should *d-p-d* keep the value that I set before saving the core, or should *d-p-d* reflect the new current directory? 04:20:39 It should keep the value saved. Usually when saving an image, you can specify a start up function. This function could update the variables. 04:20:57 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.147.229.114] has joined #lisp 04:21:41 rtoym: notice that when you cd, you're changing something different than *d-p-d*. While it's understandable to want to keep them in sync, there may also be valid reasons why not to. 04:22:03 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.107.65] has joined #lisp 04:22:11 Also, if *d-p-d* is bound to a logical pathname, it wouldn't make sense to try to keep them in sync. 04:22:30 Strigoides [~owen@114-134-0-39.lightwire.co.nz] has joined #lisp 04:23:34 b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@46.36.172.132] has joined #lisp 04:27:26 -!- breakds [~breakds@adsl-71-150-253-174.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 04:35:14 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:36:39 agumonkey [~agu@126.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 04:37:54 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 04:51:51 AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@99-136-83-34.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 04:59:37 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-162-182.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 05:02:26 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:14:46 I'd expect it to be reintialised when the core is reloaded. 05:14:54 mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has joined #lisp 05:16:37 nha [~prefect@koln-4d0ddbaf.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 05:25:57 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 05:30:17 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-135-72.u.parknet.dk] has joined #lisp 05:31:17 -!- mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:31:23 -!- pawel` [~user@c-68-63-164-229.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:31:51 neena [~neena@codesurfers.net] has joined #lisp 05:31:54 -!- b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@46.36.172.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:33:05 -!- jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:34:17 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:36:30 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.6.16] has joined #lisp 05:36:30 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.6.16] has quit [Changing host] 05:36:30 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 05:38:30 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.177.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:40:33 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 05:40:33 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 05:40:33 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 05:44:43 -!- tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:47:47 -!- madsy [~madsy@fu/coder/madsy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:48:16 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 05:48:43 Myk267 [~myk@unaffiliated/myk267] has joined #lisp 05:50:25 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-4d0ddbaf.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:55:05 movbh [~wircer@tmo-103-15.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #lisp 05:55:17 -!- movbh [~wircer@tmo-103-15.customers.d1-online.com] has left #lisp 05:56:10 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 05:56:35 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@2602:306:3686:aac0:4842:f897:776d:f666] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:57:54 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has left #lisp 05:58:35 kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 06:01:40 tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.83] has joined #lisp 06:02:05 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:03:41 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:05:37 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-someicnfhhqcniwb] has joined #lisp 06:05:37 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-someicnfhhqcniwb] has quit [Changing host] 06:05:37 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 06:07:43 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 06:08:01 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:08:28 -!- tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:08:42 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 06:10:07 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 06:13:15 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 06:15:23 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:15:57 normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 06:16:09 -!- Bike [~Glossina@174-25-48-1.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:16:32 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:18:05 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:19:40 Bike_ [~Glossina@174-25-48-1.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 06:20:01 pkhuong: (setf *default-pathname-defaults* (make-pathname :host "APPL" :type "PWP")) ; how do you reinitialize that? 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06:42:17 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 06:46:00 pok [~pok@tarrant.klingenberg.no] has joined #lisp 06:46:36 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.147.229.114] has quit [Quit: Bye] 06:46:40 nha [~prefect@koln-4d0ddbaf.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 06:50:07 -!- Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:50:20 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:51:35 *rszeno* personal opinion, yes, no gui 06:52:37 ha, I guess that's the simplest solution 06:52:56 Dalek_Baldwin: a lot of projects use Web for UI 06:52:56 for me at least, :) 06:54:02 the web isn't a pattern though, there's plenty of ways to coordinate the web page view to the underlying data model 06:55:19 it is, rest will probably be dominant 06:56:33 format supports many advanced text features such as tables, so for many software a gui might not be necessary indeed.. about current guis for lisp there are various, including eql, cl-gtk and commonqt 06:57:11 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.249] has joined #lisp 06:57:37 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:58:18 Gooder` [~user@192.200.155.77] has joined #lisp 06:59:43 -!- Gooder [~user@218.69.12.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:01:05 I've been burned by particular gui frameworks in the past 07:01:19 also, structured data can often be presented as pretty-printed s-expressions and are more easy to read than xml 07:01:38 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 07:01:55 I wanted to try mcclim but didn't get the chance before I was kicked off lisp and back to python 07:04:40 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:04:48 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 07:05:21 Dalek_Baldwin: from what I've heard most people doing "pro" GUI in Lisp use CAPI provided by LispWork. 07:05:52 dalek: Personally, I have great difficulty justifying anything other than html5, these days. 07:05:55 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.249] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:05:58 -!- tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:07:02 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:07:49 -!- sellout- [~Adium@pat-ip-195-91-108-117.flarion.as5628.telecom.sk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:08:19 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.249] has joined #lisp 07:13:53 I think that something like angularjs would probably work well with a lisp backend. 07:15:04 You could generate the whole ui as one page with parescript, etc, and then have it talk data to the backend. With a little care it might be seamless. 07:15:16 zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 07:16:37 yeah, for a while I was using paren-psos to automagically generate an equivalent data model in javascript and directly serialize objects from the server 07:17:41 which was beautiful for just presenting data with as little hassle as possible 07:18:08 aerique [310225@xs8.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 07:18:34 ehu [~Erik@109.35.93.7] has joined #lisp 07:19:00 tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.85] has joined #lisp 07:20:31 -!- Strigoides [~owen@114-134-0-39.lightwire.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 07:22:33 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:23:05 but now I'm wondering more about underlying patterns... even within a web UI you might want multiple simultaneous views on the same data 07:23:26 so you still have to deal with the fundamental questions of how you separate view logic from domain logic, etc 07:24:29 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:25:37 Harag [~Thunderbi@41-135-197-102.dsl.mweb.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:27:33 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@110.188.70.174] has left #lisp 07:27:45 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-131-170.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:33:29 -!- vi1 [~vi1@93.92.216.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:33:46 vi1 [~vi1@93.92.216.186] has joined #lisp 07:35:01 -!- moore_ [~moore@ABordeaux-153-1-15-132.w92-146.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:36:05 -!- em-bee is now known as embee 07:36:38 dalek: Check out angular -- it does that all nicely. 07:37:38 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:37:59 dalek: And you can package the whole ui up into one page and the rest just turns into ajax for data transfer. 07:38:09 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 07:38:15 dalek: And it also supports effectively multipage interfaces within that. 07:38:48 And with useful urls. 07:39:23 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 07:40:18 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-135-72.u.parknet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:42:46 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 07:44:11 I was just about to ask what the underlying architecture is like, then I saw that they call it "model-view-whatever", ha 07:45:06 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-4d0ddbaf.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:45:57 I was told to check out ltk for GUI 07:45:59 Perhaps 'template', 'controller', 'router' might be more accurate. 07:47:51 moore_ [~moore@ABordeaux-153-1-60-194.w90-45.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 07:48:29 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:48:59 hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 07:48:59 -!- hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 07:48:59 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 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First level of macroexpand looks right but it doesn't work. 14:29:06 nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@c-75-69-89-224.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:29:32 how once-only is defined? 14:29:57 why is that a macro? 14:30:08 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 14:30:20 stassats: it is alexandria:once-only 14:30:52 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@student-244-68.eduroam.uu.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:31:25 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:31:38 sykopomp: because i know all arguments at compile time 14:31:59 nan-: you're not supposed to quote once-only. 14:32:04 nan-: this macro won't do what you want. once-only must be used normally in a macro without being backquoted. 14:32:05 nan-: why is it a macro? 14:32:12 -!- Posterdati [~antani@host183-239-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 14:32:36 sykopomp: so i can use funcall instead of apply? 14:32:48 what? 14:32:56 nyef [~nyef@c-50-157-244-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:33:12 nan-: there's already CL:MAP 14:33:41 (map nil fn sequnces...) only works on sequence arguments 14:33:58 ...so does your map-fn. 14:34:17 sykopomp: no mine doesn't look closer :) 14:34:30 well, yours doesn't work at all 14:34:39 sykopomp: map-fn there only takes first argument as sequence 14:34:40 nan-: what else do you want it to work on? 14:34:57 nilsi [~nilsi@student-244-68.eduroam.uu.se] has joined #lisp 14:35:01 nan-: (map 'list (apply #'rcurry fn args) seq) 14:35:01 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.25.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:35:19 Posterdati [~antani@host183-239-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 14:35:35 (defun map-fn (fn seq &rest args) (map (type-of seq) (apply #'rcurry fn args) seq)) 14:35:51 (I think there was a discussion here about whether this type-of was a good idea. I didn't see the conclusion) 14:36:00 ogamita: like: (map nil fn seq arg1 arg2) i want arg1 arg2 say fixnum 14:36:04 sykopomp: likely not a good idea. 14:36:11 sykopomp: it may be not, depends on the intent 14:36:43 so (map (etypecase seq (vector 'vector) (list 'list)) ...) 14:36:55 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:36:58 the best way is to let you specify it 14:37:08 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 14:37:12 -!- jdz [~jdz@85.254.212.34] has quit [Quit: Byebye.] 14:37:57 -!- ehu [~Erik@109.35.93.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:38:24 cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.25.200] has joined #lisp 14:38:28 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:39:43 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.182.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:40:08 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@student-244-68.eduroam.uu.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:40:40 pkhuong: then i need to write my own once-only thanks 14:41:08 nan-: that's a strange conclusion. 14:41:12 what? 14:41:31 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:41:50 -!- protist [~protist@51.173.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:42:24 pkhuong: well not the once-only but something to serve my purpose here 14:42:41 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@128-72-187-89.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:43:40 nan-: what's wrong with the implementation i gave you? 14:43:56 ginkgo [~ginko@unaffiliated/ginkgo] has joined #lisp 14:44:03 -!- bitonic [~user@176.248.38.122] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:44:19 sykopomp: it's too easy 14:44:25 bitonic [~user@176.248.38.122] has joined #lisp 14:44:52 darn 14:45:53 sykopomp: i was trying to find where rcurry is, now i found it let me see :) 14:46:04 nan-: it's right in alexandria 14:46:32 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:46:48 -!- dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:48:17 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 14:49:31 tsuru` [~charlie@adsl-98-87-25-116.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 14:50:22 -!- p_l|omoikane [~pl@81-18-213-39.static.chello.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:50:45 agumonkey [~agu@45.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 14:51:23 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-162-182.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:53:25 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-222-103.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:54:03 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 14:54:11 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:54:35 sykopomp: great thanks! so (r)curry puts the sequnce before args, took some time to figure it out! 14:54:51 -!- mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-iymldbbvvswesqtr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:56:22 dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has joined #lisp 14:56:23 -!- bolcselo [~x@pool-108-45-77-30.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:56:33 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-176-137.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: none] 14:58:18 -!- hkBst__ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:59:01 nan-: the thing is that once-only is only useful in macros (or in functions generating code). map-fn is neither: you can write it as a normal function and without once-only. 14:59:33 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-176-137.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:00:29 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-222-103.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:01:01 easy-iPad [~easyipad@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 15:01:27 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-csjgulbwosaqeuzl] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 15:01:53 Recommendations for a non-AWS, non-GOOG REST cache? Wrap CouchDB? 15:02:08 ogamita: i am quite new to FP, i read about it but never actually used curry/rcurry before so i am unaware of their usage with map and such, now i see it works great 15:02:37 easy-iPad: redis? 15:02:49 -!- KDr2_ [~KDr2@114.243.247.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:02:54 sykopomp: Thanks. Will compare. 15:03:36 lusory [~lusory@42.60.25.228] has joined #lisp 15:03:49 so what i need is simple (map nil (rcurry #'fn k) seq). sweet 15:05:52 smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has joined #lisp 15:06:04 -!- bitonic [~user@176.248.38.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:09:50 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-162-182.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 15:10:00 antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-kiikjcfgrekyuxpz] has joined #lisp 15:11:30 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:12:06 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@24.56.241.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:13:12 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:13:18 -!- easy-iPad [~easyipad@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Outta here?] 15:15:17 (map nil (lambda (x) (function x a b c)) seq) is even simpler 15:16:06 cdidd [~cdidd@128-72-187-58.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 15:20:15 stassats, FUNCTION? 15:20:34 fun 15:21:11 ok 15:21:53 -!- nicdev` is now known as nicdev 15:22:49 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 15:23:26 alms_ [~alms_@173-162-137-153-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 15:23:44 stassats: my aim with map-fn was converting (loop for e across seq (funcall fn e some-var)) to a mapping function without any indirections. both rcurry and lambda require indirections 15:25:28 miql [~miql@ip72-201-117-127.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 15:25:38 these "indirections" may be only in your head 15:26:11 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 15:26:47 -!- antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-kiikjcfgrekyuxpz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:27:11 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:27:14 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:27:18 adeht: probably but there should be a reason why people write things like SERIES 15:27:24 -!- alms_ [~alms_@173-162-137-153-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has left #lisp 15:29:09 nan: yes, but series handles more complex cases 15:29:24 _d3f [~gnu@ip-static-94-242-252-66.as5577.net] has joined #lisp 15:32:46 adeht: if compilers can output same code with (map nil (lambda (x) (fn x a b c)) seq) and (loop for e across seq do (funcall fn e a b c)) (ignoring the initial type checking for map) then they are really in my head :) 15:33:43 -!- leoc [~leoc.git@p4FF7A22C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:33:56 nan: why shouldn't they in that case 15:34:29 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 15:34:59 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:36:16 they wouldn't because across is only for vectors, while map is for sequences 15:36:32 stassats: nan mentioned the initial type checking 15:37:11 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 15:37:14 -!- luzie [~lucy@229.134.202.84.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: luzie] 15:37:45 bitonic [~user@176.248.38.122] has joined #lisp 15:38:34 luzie [~lucy@229.134.202.84.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 15:39:23 adeht: IMO they should but i have no idea how they do that (if they do that is) i need to learn about compiler internals, internals of funcall and its optimizations. 15:39:42 you should also not engage in premature optimizations 15:39:43 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:41:10 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:41:47 -!- zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:42:06 -!- guiambros [~guiambros@z65-50-88-217.ips.direcpath.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:42:19 guiambros [~guiambros@z65-50-88-217.ips.direcpath.com] has joined #lisp 15:42:32 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-014-160.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 15:42:50 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:43:02 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 15:43:56 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 15:45:23 stassats: you are right but aren't these kind of decisions should be made at the begining? i mean knowing (lambda (x) (fn x a b c)) will be unwrapped to (fn e a b c) would change 90 of the cases i use loop instead of map. but then again maybe this is also premature optimization and i am too used to it >< 15:45:24 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:49:26 what makes you think that (lambda (x) (fn x a b c)) is a bottleneck? 15:50:58 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:51:15 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has joined #lisp 15:52:20 stassats: don't you make any decisions before profiling? i mean that fn can be just an + when you are writing it. 15:53:51 -!- sellout- [~Adium@pat-ip-195-91-110-117.flarion.as5628.telecom.sk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:54:47 ykm [~ykm@180.148.41.33] has joined #lisp 15:56:41 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:57:12 you can write a doseq macro that expands to the map version.. and if you find that to be a bottleneck you can replace the expansion with something else 15:59:09 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-135-72.u.parknet.dk] has joined #lisp 15:59:40 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 16:00:10 adeht: good idea 16:00:30 talas [~talas@136.144.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 16:01:39 Thra11 [~Thra11@87.114.229.9] has joined #lisp 16:02:33 hmmm.. it seems (sb-sequence:dosequence (foo "blah")) is broken? 16:03:29 it is 16:03:35 adeht: now i remember! my map-fn utility was trying to do that and delay the decision making :) only difference i used loop 16:04:50 nan: yeah.. when writing such macros I usually put what I can into a function and expand to that 16:05:09 adeht: hmmm it is not the only difference, i could have gone with apply and continue what i was doing but i tried to convert apply to funcall so PO again << 16:05:19 nan: this keeps code size small and if the code is buggy it may save you from recompiling everything 16:05:30 nan: also has debugging benefits etc. 16:07:29 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 16:07:40 axion [~axion@lngdnd-ai02-74-214-211-129.utma.com] has joined #lisp 16:09:07 -!- ykm [~ykm@180.148.41.33] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:09:14 If you're using macros that expand to invocations of CALL-WITH-foo, I'd suggest using LABELS or FLET to wrap your body forms, and declaring the LABELS or FLET function to be dynamic-extent (declare (dynamic-extent #'whatever-thunk)). 16:09:58 James M. Lawrence broke dosequence by using %other-pointer-p, which isn't defined 16:09:59 Gives you yet another name in your backtraces, and SBCL can do clever things with closures that are declared to be D-X. 16:10:26 ... Package issue, maybe? 16:10:27 also may want to use block in the expansion 16:10:32 It's the sort of thing which SHOULD be defined... 16:11:14 nyef: nope 16:11:24 it's a vop 16:12:17 Okay, I can buy that. And can think of how to implement it in terms of get-lisp-obj-address. 16:12:51 it doesn't appear to be used anywhere 16:13:32 perhaps, a bad definition of !define-type-vops? 16:13:45 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 16:15:05 There's all sorts of random weird stuff lurking in the depths of the compiler. It might be used in some obscure corner case using generated code... 16:15:56 Another example of weirdness is the fixme-comment in x86/insts.lisp, in the definition of break-control. 16:16:36 nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-213-211.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 16:17:25 well, (sb-vm::%other-pointer-p x) works as a vop, so, something treats it as a function and tries to call it 16:17:29 and there's no stub 16:17:35 b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@46.36.172.132] has joined #lisp 16:18:29 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 16:18:40 leo2007 [~leo@119.161.133.157] has joined #lisp 16:18:48 We should probably do something on the order of writing a bit of code that grovels over all of the templates in the system and reports all of the ones with :translate options that don't have corresponding stub functions defined. 16:18:56 -!- ogamita [~t@host.34.193.23.62.rev.coltfrance.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:19:24 it's technically ok for internal code to not have a stub 16:20:34 It's been a problem for me a time or two, though. 16:21:42 -!- davazp [~user@31.200.175.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:23:46 bhyde [~bhyde@50.12.146.82] has joined #lisp 16:23:52 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:25:57 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.143.224] has joined #lisp 16:26:27 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@50.12.146.82] has quit [Client Quit] 16:26:27 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:27:21 satshabad [~satshabad@pool-173-58-100-240.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:28:45 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:29:22 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@128-72-187-58.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:31:46 dtm [~dtm@adsl-69-110-4-162.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 16:33:00 AeroNotix [~xeno@abom2.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 16:33:46 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-213-211.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:36:16 -!- dtm [~dtm@adsl-69-110-4-162.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:36:26 ok, i see, it doesn't work for (sb-sequence:dosequence (foo "blah")), because %other-pointer-p can't translate literal "blah" 16:37:02 -!- ginkgo [~ginko@unaffiliated/ginkgo] has left #lisp 16:37:06 dtm [~dtm@adsl-69-110-4-162.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 16:37:13 it also doesn't work for other literals 16:37:25 e.g., #(1 2 3) 16:37:52 %other-pointer-p storage classes are (any-reg descriptor-reg) 16:38:51 spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has joined #lisp 16:39:09 -!- spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Client Quit] 16:39:48 bhyde [~bhyde@50.12.146.82] has joined #lisp 16:44:43 -!- n0vember [~n0vember@liberacescursedpiano.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:45:45 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 16:48:33 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.143.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:48:38 cdidd [~cdidd@176.14.236.5] has joined #lisp 16:49:28 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 16:50:18 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:52:18 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:53:06 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@50.12.146.82] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 16:53:45 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@176.14.236.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:54:24 Nosceteipsum [~Nosceteip@d122237.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #lisp 16:54:56 cdidd [~cdidd@128-72-64-224.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 16:55:51 adeht: got a fix, building&testing&pushing 16:56:03 thanks for the report 16:57:36 -!- gendl [~gendl@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gendl] 16:57:50 -!- talas [~talas@136.144.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:57:51 Eldariof-ru [~CLD@188.168.242.249] has joined #lisp 16:58:02 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@gw-isr.deec.uc.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:58:37 stassats: cool, thanks 16:59:33 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 16:59:48 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Client Quit] 17:00:10 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 17:00:45 talas [~talas@136.144.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 17:01:12 Thank goodness the designers of CL settled on LOAD-TIME-VALUE just returning the primary value of its form. I was starting to develop a migraine trying to figure out how to engineer returning multiple values when I re-re-re-read the CLHS on l-t-v 17:02:46 -!- agumonkey [~agu@45.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:05:50 Joreji [~thomas@73-136.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 17:06:27 drmeister1: (defmacro multiple-value-load-time-value (expression) `(values-list (load-time-value (multiple-value-list ,expression)))) 17:06:35 -!- abend_ is now known as abend 17:07:16 pjb: Thanks - and that shouldn't be a problem. 17:07:19 or s/multiple-value-load-time-value/multiple-load-time-value/ 17:07:37 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@128-72-64-224.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:07:38 load-time-multiple-values :) 17:07:49 multiple-value-load-time 17:08:02 freeze-values 17:08:46 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85b016.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 17:09:37 -!- satshabad [~satshabad@pool-173-58-100-240.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:09:39 alright, sb-sequence:dosequence works again on literals 17:10:11 That is - it shouldn't be a problem once I get l-t-v working properly (sigh) - its a complicated little puppy. 17:13:43 -!- asedeno [asedeno@nat/google/x-lvipxuqaubqznmxs] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:14:11 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:14:21 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 17:15:21 asedeno [~asedeno@216.239.33.112] has joined #lisp 17:15:30 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.219] has joined #lisp 17:15:40 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 17:15:53 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:17:35 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85b016.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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But we need drewc to yield on the name to make things seamless. 18:17:21 yield on the name? 18:17:24 AeroNoti1 [~xeno@abon219.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 18:17:34 http://lisp.not.org/trac/clo/ 18:18:05 foom: Yes. Hand it to an escrow. 18:19:13 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abom2.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:20:26 ch077179 [~ch077179@unaffiliated/ch077179] has joined #lisp 18:21:13 I see. So the lists moved to another server and the archives are served by the old server still. 18:21:33 No. The mailing list system was destructively migrated. 18:22:12 Current plan is to reestablish the old environment, gateway new traffic, and allow people to opt in. 18:23:33 -!- scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 18:23:37 Okay, I have no idea what's going on here, but it sounds pretty terrible and fraught with politics and bad stuff. 18:23:45 So, maybe I should just leave it as "oh, it's broken" 18:23:50 scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has joined #lisp 18:23:54 -!- scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has quit [Client Quit] 18:24:12 mevenson [~user@50.7.253.58] has joined #lisp 18:24:58 kenanb [~user@unaffiliated/kenanb] has joined #lisp 18:25:49 how can I make slime complete the symbols from libraries I use, and not just cl-user? 18:26:14 It does, by default. If they are not accessible in the current package, you need to use package prefixes. 18:26:16 you load them? 18:27:13 ah, ok it did when I quickload the library 18:27:58 the lib is already set as a dependency in the asd file of the project I am working on, and I already loaded the project, so I thought it should already be loaded in listener 18:28:07 thanks adeht Xach :) 18:28:35 sellout- [~Adium@pat-ip-195-91-110-117.flarion.as5628.telecom.sk] has joined #lisp 18:29:14 kenanb: if it's a dependency it should've been loaded when you loaded the dependent project 18:29:17 -!- drmeister1 is now known as drmeister 18:29:25 Hey 18:29:25 drmeister, memo from stassats: try (macroexpand '(formatter "~{~A~}")) 18:29:26 kenanb: if you loaded the project already, you may need to just package-qualify the symbols first, or just ,+p 18:29:35 or (in-package :whatnot) 18:29:53 -!- Joreji [~thomas@73-136.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:30:07 stassats - are you online? 18:30:42 sykopomp: Yes, we are going to open source this thing. 18:30:46 sykopomp: I restarted slime at some point, I was thinking I loaded the project after the restart, I am probably wrong :) 18:32:48 scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has joined #lisp 18:33:11 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-135-72.u.parknet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:33:53 Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-135-72.u.parknet.dk] has joined #lisp 18:34:17 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1-dev] 18:35:32 minion help 18:35:35 help minion 18:35:40 minion - help 18:35:42 Argh 18:36:26 Corvidium [~cosman246@D-69-91-157-80.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 18:36:33 minion: help? 18:36:33 There are multiple help modules. Try ``/msg minion help kind'', where kind is one of: "lookups", "helping others", "adding terms", "aliasing terms", "forgetting", "memos", "avoiding memos", "nicknames", "goodies", "eliza", "advice", "apropos", "acronyms". 18:37:02 Thanks 18:37:03 how to get at unix file stats (last modification time and all)? 18:37:23 -!- AeroNoti1 [~xeno@abon219.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 18:37:38 dim: there's file-write-date.. but you may want to use a posix library 18:37:53 minion: message for stassats: Thanks for that advice. As soon as I wrestle l-t-v back into working order I'll try (macroexpand '(formatter "~{~A~}")) 18:37:53 message for stassats Thanks for that advice. As soon as I wrestle l-t-v back into working order I'll try (macroexpand '(formatter "~{~A~}")): An error was encountered in lookup: Parse error:URI "http://www.cliki.net/message%20for%20stassats%20Thanks%20for%20that%20advice.%20As%20soon%20as%20I%20wrestle%20l-t-v%20back%20into%20working%20order%20I'll%20try%20(macroexpand%20'(formatter%20\"~{~A~}\"))?source" contains illegal character #\" at position 193.. 18:37:57 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:37:58 such as? iolib? something else? (not cl-fad apparently) 18:38:19 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.228.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:38:19 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 18:38:32 wow. 18:38:46 minion: you are a pinhead 18:38:46 what's up? 18:39:06 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 18:39:12 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:39:26 oh seems I forgot about osicat, maybe there 18:39:43 dim: I use sb-posix but if you care for portability.. 18:39:56 *easye* kicks minion. 18:40:29 -!- tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:3c5c:7455:b3ee:137e] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:40:45 easye: What is the irc command for that side-note thingy? 18:40:50 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:40:52 "/me" 18:41:00 *drmeister* grumbles 18:41:02 Thanks 18:41:07 *easye* nods. 18:42:28 I'd rather care for portability before writing the code... 18:42:58 Dynamic variables are the coolest thing - they make compiler writing so much easier. 18:43:26 tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:3c5c:7455:b3ee:137e] has joined #lisp 18:44:25 until you decide to spawn some work off in another thread 18:44:42 then, all of a sudden, dynamic variables become the worst idea in the history of mankind. :) 18:44:53 minion: forget my memos 18:44:53 You didn't have any memos! 18:45:00 foom: amen. 18:45:35 somebody can't read docs 18:45:58 drmeister: it's "memo for x: text" 18:46:56 -!- Kabaka [kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48:01 -!- _d3f [~gnu@ip-static-94-242-252-66.as5577.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48:01 d3f [~gnu@ip-static-94-242-252-66.as5577.net] has joined #lisp 18:48:15 foom: isn't being thread local is a plus for special variables? I'd say it just fits 18:48:42 the bindings are thread-local 18:48:43 AeroNotix [~xeno@abon219.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 18:49:15 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: Ragequit] 18:50:03 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: normanrichards] 18:50:18 nan-: no. (let ((*some-important-stuff* ...)) (do-some-work) (do-some-work-in-a-thread)) 18:50:32 -!- yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:50:41 Kabaka [kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #lisp 18:50:55 yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:51:06 -!- yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:51:06 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 18:51:07 do-some-work-in-a-thread then needs to duplicate all the important bindings of special variables to the other thread's state. 18:51:15 the problem is joining the results of work 18:51:22 this is a complete disaster. 18:52:14 The way to sanity is to encapsulate your state into an object, instead of scattered across a multitude of dynamic variables. 18:52:40 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756a1e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 18:54:42 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:55:41 foom: no worries, we have macros! 18:56:05 and progv! 18:57:41 satshabad [~satshabad@134.71.204.204] has joined #lisp 18:58:11 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-162-182.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:58:45 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-162-182.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 19:01:19 -!- tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:3c5c:7455:b3ee:137e] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:01:40 should I break the contract of version-satisfies and make it the same as version<= ? 19:02:09 should I have ASDF's version stick forever to ASDF 2.x ? 19:02:15 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:02:33 should I demand that quicklisp be patched to accommodate the change in major version? 19:02:40 billstclair [~billstcla@p-69-195-51-245.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 19:02:42 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@p-69-195-51-245.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:02:42 billstclair 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19:12:24 Fare: change version-satisfies 19:12:29 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:13:59 *Fare* greps through all quicklisp packages to find who if anyone uses version-satisfies 19:14:07 I bet no one but asdf itself and quicklisp 19:14:35 I think there are some 19:15:15 Kabaka [kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #lisp 19:15:18 apparently, xcvb and swank-asdf, too, and cl-launch, and, interestingly cl-libevent2, but it's commented out 19:15:29 oh, and asdf-dependency-grovel 19:15:57 uh, oh: def-symbol-readmacro-20130312-hg/asdf2-tools.lisp 19:15:59 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-214-89-182.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:16:37 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 19:17:01 this def-symbol-readmacro overriding of asdf:operate is definitely not kosher for asdf3, anyway 19:17:29 so I'd say, yes, it looks safe to change version-satisfies 19:18:35 -!- d3f [~gnu@ip-static-94-242-252-66.as5577.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 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*mylist* (list 0 2 *b* 6)) (setf (nth 2 *mylist*) 200) but suppose I want to change *b* without doing (setf *b* 200)? 19:38:40 -!- oconnore [~eric@38.111.17.138] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:39:12 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 19:39:39 -!- mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:39:43 -!- satshabad [~satshabad@134.71.204.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:41:31 oconnore [~eric@38.111.17.138] has joined #lisp 19:43:56 pnpuff [~C6248@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 19:45:41 miql [~miql@ip72-201-117-127.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 19:46:45 you can't alter the binding without altering the binding 19:47:43 changing directly in the memory address? 19:47:57 you can modify the list 19:48:24 but the 4 in *mylist* isn't magically linked to *b* 19:48:52 yes I know 19:49:12 it was dumb but only to show what i wanted... 19:49:16 then what are you asking. 19:49:42 change the content of *b* without setf 19:49:53 -!- kennyd 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I don't understand how the l-t-v special operator described in the text gives anything but errors from some of the examples given in the CLHS for l-t-v. 21:43:35 Namely: 21:43:37 (defvar *bar-arrays* (list (make-array 7) (make-array 8))) 21:43:37 (defun bar1-ref (n) (aref (load-time-value (first *my-arrays*) ) n )) 21:43:43 -!- drmeiste_ is now known as drmeister 21:44:25 Oh, hold on. 21:44:31 -!- nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@c-75-69-89-224.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44:38 *bar-arrays* and *my-arrays* I've messed something up. 21:44:49 any second opinion on version-satisfies vs version<= ? 21:45:02 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c21b6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:45:19 clhs l-t-v 21:45:19 load-time-value: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/s_ld_tim.htm 21:45:28 No, I haven't - that's how the example reads 21:45:29 should asdf keep considering a change in major version as a version incompatibility when resolving version constraints? 21:46:15 drmeister: looks like a mistake in the spec, just change *my-arrays* to *bar-arrays* 21:47:44 So, if it's *bar-arrays* then *bar-arrays* isn't defined until (defvar *bar-arrays* ...) which is way after the start of load time when (load-time-value (first *bar-arrays*)) would be evaluated. 21:47:50 normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 21:47:55 billstclair [~billstcla@p-69-195-51-245.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 21:47:55 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@p-69-195-51-245.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:47:55 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 21:48:08 I'm missing something here. 21:48:20 I thought l-t-v's were evaluated at the start of load-time. 21:48:28 defvar is evaluated at load time 21:48:45 it's evaluate in chronological order it appears in the file 21:48:53 Really? So defvar creates an l-t-v - that would explain it. 21:49:01 no, it doesn't create l-t-v 21:49:33 ooookaaay - then I've really misunderstood something. 21:50:20 Hold on, brain working on thought thingys 21:50:20 when you load a file it goes one form at a time, that's all 21:51:29 I was kind of running with the idea that I evaluated the l-t-v form right at the start of load-time - I guess that's not the case, it gets evaluated when the form that contains it gets evaluated? 21:51:39 silkwood [a46f8213@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.111.130.19] has joined #lisp 21:51:43 sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 21:51:50 naturally, why would you assume otherwise? 21:52:36 Im trying to learn common lisp. I have the basics down. Does anyone have a suggestion of a mid-sized project to work on to help me learn? 21:53:04 I have an initialization function that runs first when a FASL file loads that creates literal/quoted objects. I thought that was a good place to evaluate l-t-v forms. It's a lot less work (that I already did) to not put them in there. 21:53:11 *drmeister* sighs 21:53:43 -!- Nosceteipsum [~Nosceteip@d122237.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:53:52 I spent the last two days dealing with l-t-v code spilling into the wrong functions. argh 21:53:54 eval-when needs to go there as well then 21:54:48 I need to think on this. 21:54:51 Nosceteipsum [~Nosceteip@d122237.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #lisp 21:54:53 and by default, it's eval-when :load-toplevel :execute, so, everything needs to go there 21:55:13 -!- pinc0de [pinc@cpc2-wake1-0-0-cust240.17-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:55:34 pinc0de [pinc@cpc2-wake1-0-0-cust240.17-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 21:55:54 so, a function defined beforehand can be used for load-time-value 21:56:01 etc. 21:57:00 stassats: you're always a good advice on backward compatibility. Is it OK to slightly break the contract of version-satisfies to make life easier for quicklisp? 21:57:12 I COMPILE-FILE a file containing a bunch of forms. What I do right now is create an initialization function and for every top-level form I create a separate function. 21:57:14 -!- sellout- [~Adium@pat-ip-195-91-110-117.flarion.as5628.telecom.sk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:57:17 Fare: what does version-satisfies do? 21:57:52 Then I have a master function that calls the initialization function (that fills an array with literals and quoted data structures) and then calls each form-function in turn. 21:57:54 currently, it (1) checks that your version has the *same* major version, and (2) is otherwise no older than the specified version. 21:58:07 Where is load-time in all this? 21:58:15 Fare: was it intended or just an oversight? 21:58:15 the change would eliminate (1) and make it a version>= 21:58:28 apparently, by design, since way before my time 21:58:37 Fare: is there any code that relies on a version-satisfies with a 1 version failing on asdf2? 21:58:38 seems like major versions are mostly backwards compatible, at least for exported stuff 21:58:47 but it's not very well documented, and it's not obvious that anyone depends on that behaviour 21:58:57 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:59:29 Bike: not that I *know*, but I'm sure some obscure code, somewhere, does. 21:59:35 eheh. 21:59:46 if it's not documented, and judging by the name, it's logical that it includes the major version too 21:59:50 svecias49293 [pinc@cpc2-wake1-0-0-cust240.17-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 21:59:52 drmeister: load time is while all those functions are being called by the loader, i guess. 21:59:54 When I load a FASL file is load-time just after I load the file and then when I evaluate the forms within the FASL file is that eval-time 21:59:55 I know that I myself had to write horrible code to emulate version>= with version-satisfies, in the rare cases I used it. 22:00:05 so, i'd break it and let the users complain 22:00:05 -!- pinc0de [pinc@cpc2-wake1-0-0-cust240.17-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:00:16 Is there an eval-time for FASL files? 22:00:28 not in eval-when 22:00:53 -!- TheBombMaker is now known as himself 22:01:00 Bike: Right - I see that. 22:01:20 when you load the fasl, it's load-toplevel, so, anything appearing at the toplevel will be executed 22:01:24 makes sense. Will do that. 22:01:26 thanks 22:01:30 xristos [x@ns3.suspicious.org] has joined #lisp 22:01:35 that's what Xach suggested 22:02:07 of course, you can load the code first, and then execute it, not just load and execute it one-by-one 22:02:46 (except, of course, for things which explicitly exclude :load-toplevel ) 22:04:39 I'm loading the code first and then executing it. I'm either loading a bitcode file all at once or a dynamic library (.so on linux .dylib on OS X). 22:05:15 tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.83] has joined #lisp 22:07:39 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:09:53 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:10:07 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:10:22 -!- Nosceteipsum [~Nosceteip@d122237.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:11:15 I can see that I can evaluate the l-t-v form just before the top-level-form that contains it would be evaluated and then the examples would work. 22:11:22 -!- kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has quit [] 22:11:25 I guess I just don't see the point of LOAD-TIME-FORM. 22:11:47 what is load-time-form? 22:11:55 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 22:12:05 have you seen nikodemus's pseudoclosure? 22:12:34 http://random-state.net/log/3507100003.html 22:13:11 If I say (let ((cc (find-class 'fixnum))) ...) or (let ((cc (load-time-form (find-class 'fixnum)))) ...) is there a difference? 22:13:38 Sorry load-time-value not load-time-form. 22:13:59 there is, but it doesn't make much sense for that example 22:14:08 Bike: I haven't seen that - I'll read it. 22:14:39 -!- Munksgaard [~philip@80-71-135-72.u.parknet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:14:49 load-time-value is useful for something you can and want evaluate only once, but can't store it into the fasl 22:14:59 assuming that's in a function or something and not toplevel, with l-t-v cc will be the same class every time, but without it you'll do the lookup each time 22:15:00 so you can't just use #. or expand a macro into it 22:15:05 so if you could somehow redefine fixnum... 22:15:13 Ah, static in C - there's a concept I can relate to. 22:15:19 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.104.219] has joined #lisp 22:16:08 closures can do most of the cases, but you can't expand a macro or a compile-macro into a closure 22:16:30 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:16:45 and load-time-values can be more easily optimized by the compiler than closures 22:17:12 -!- gcv [~gcv@c-98-248-194-204.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #lisp 22:17:13 (but that just reflects on how poor those compilers at optimizing away closures) 22:17:37 dboswell [dpb@iceland.sdf.org] has joined #lisp 22:17:53 fy 3600irc 22:18:08 -!- himself is now known as TBM|away 22:18:13 stassats: Compilers optimizing away closures is something I need to learn more about - I don't optimize away any closures yet. 22:18:18 -!- cgore [~cgore@cgore.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:35 -!- dboswell [dpb@iceland.sdf.org] has left #lisp 22:18:49 I'm going to go and think about what you've told me and I'll either figure it out or I'll be back with questions. 22:19:02 stassats: what's an example of something you can't store into the fasl? 22:19:02 better concentrate on getting things to work first 22:19:09 jasom: a function 22:19:46 stassats: #.(lambda ...) won't do that? 22:19:50 nope 22:19:51 nope 22:20:06 you can't dump functions, i think it's an error even? 22:20:10 stassats: I'm hosting the ECL CL code - everything does work now - I got CLOS to work and now I'm working on ecl/src/clos/conditions.lsp for condition handling and then I'll be kind of done. 22:20:41 -!- victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has quit [Quit: Leaving IRC - dircproxy 1.2.0] 22:20:53 conditions.lsp uses defstruct which uses load-time-value and I thought I had that one in the bag but it turned out my implementation was broken and so here I am. 22:21:01 and you can store structures and objects with make-load-form, but using l-t-v is easier 22:21:32 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.144.196.59] has joined #lisp 22:21:50 clhs 3.2.4.2.2 22:21:51 Definition of Similarity: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/03_bdbb.htm 22:21:59 just says "Functions are not externalizable objects." 22:22:55 Corvidium [~cosman246@24.56.241.247] has joined #lisp 22:23:38 I want to start using thing thing - I NEED to start using this thing. Condition handling is crucial when you run on supercomputers because if one instance of your program dies on one CPU, they all come down. 22:24:57 -!- paddymahoney [~patrick@24.137.221.230] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:25:06 Getting the ECL CLOS code running took me three months more time than I thought it would - bleh. 22:26:14 The CLOS bootstrapping procedure is ... complicated. 22:27:18 And when your evolving your own debugging tools at the same time it gets more complicated. But I'm monologging again. 22:27:44 I've got to run - I'll read and think on l-t-v. Thanks for your help. 22:27:44 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@mobile-166-147-109-195.mycingular.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:28:05 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:28:21 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:29:39 and another where you can't use #.: #.(make-array ...) will make the array literal, so you can't modify it 22:31:18 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@108.87.21.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:33:17 -!- mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Parting is such sweet sorrow...] 22:35:13 -!- sayara_ [~sayara3@82.117.199.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:35:21 -!- hiato [~hiato@41-133-0-51.dsl.mweb.co.za] has left #lisp 22:35:37 nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@c-24-218-27-188.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:38:02 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 22:41:45 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 22:42:44 -!- b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@46.36.172.132] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:43:46 -!- jtza8_ [~jtza8@105-236-101-228.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:58 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.161.133.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:45:32 -!- nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@c-24-218-27-188.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46:00 -!- solvip [~solvip@89-160-141-139.du.xdsl.is] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:47:18 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abon219.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 22:56:39 wmx26 [~icanhazfr@S010608863b327591.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 22:56:40 -!- wmx26 [~icanhazfr@S010608863b327591.wp.shawcable.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 22:56:54 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 22:57:49 -!- talas [~talas@136.144.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:02:06 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-108-48-74-4.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:04:01 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 23:07:01 jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has joined #lisp 23:08:44 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has quit [Quit: normanrichards] 23:12:27 pyx [~pyx@d24-141-100-35.home.cgocable.net] has joined #lisp 23:12:46 -!- pyx [~pyx@d24-141-100-35.home.cgocable.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:15:03 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:16:50 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:16:54 how can i get the source of a web page in common lisp? 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