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The function: http://paste.lisp.org/display/137123 04:27:28 photex: you mean gethash 04:27:31 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.161.133.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:27:49 Bike: !! :) 04:27:54 thanks 04:28:03 sometimes you need another pair of eyes 04:33:45 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 04:42:01 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 04:48:20 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:50:38 -!- pawel` [~user@c-68-63-164-229.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:55:46 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 04:56:09 gmcastil [~user@207-224-44-98.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 04:57:07 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:02:08 -!- BW^- [~Miranda@5-15-173-19.residential.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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Symbol's function definition is void: defpackage. is it emacs error or sbcl? thanks 06:11:00 -!- ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:11:25 clhs defpackage 06:11:25 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_defpkg.htm 06:11:46 theos: sounds like you're trying to use CL in emacs 06:12:09 Bike yes. slime :D 06:12:19 i mean, elisp 06:12:38 kcj_ [~casey@203-173-214-19.dialup.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 06:12:44 reinstalled quicklisp and got that error 06:12:59 i think emacs doesnt like CL 06:13:20 You're using a CL macro, defpackage, in elisp, which doesn't have it. 06:13:25 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-173-173.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 06:13:56 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:14:10 Bike so i cant use quicklisp with slime on emacs? 06:14:50 you can, but you are not doing so, it sounds like 06:15:12 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-121.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:15:18 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04e0e9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 06:15:59 icanhazfries [~icanhazfr@S010608863b327591.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 06:16:00 -!- icanhazfries [~icanhazfr@S010608863b327591.wp.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:16:40 because commenting the (load "~/quicklisp/setup.lisp") line works fine 06:16:54 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-121.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:17:21 maybe elisp has another macro instead of defpackage? 06:17:34 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:18:11 elisp is not CL, at all. if you want to use slime and CL, you install quicklisp in sbcl (without slime or emacs), then quickload quicklisp-slime-helper, and then you can use slime in emacs. 06:18:11 Sorry, I couldn't find anything for is not CL, at all. if you want to use slime and CL, you install quicklisp in sbcl (without slime or emacs), then quickload quicklisp-slime-helper, and then you can use slime in emacs.. 06:20:39 ah! i missed the last part. quicklisp-slime-helper. thanks. i will try 06:20:55 ch077179 [~ch077179@unaffiliated/ch077179] has joined #lisp 06:21:00 *|3b|* would guess you are trying to run the code in the wrong package (for example one that doesn't :use :cl), maybe try cl:defpackage instead? 06:21:56 -!- kcj_ [~casey@203-173-214-19.dialup.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Quit: kcj_] 06:22:15 |3b|: does any implementation say "void" instead of "undefined" or "unbound"? 06:22:18 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 06:22:24 -!- erikc [~erikc@CPE00222d53fe78-CM00222d53fe75.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: erikc] 06:23:35 <|3b|> Bike: not sure, but don't get that exact wording from emacs either here though 06:24:18 <|3b|> ah, i guess if that (load ...) was in .emacs, then it was trying to load it as elisp 06:25:29 bitonic [~user@176.27.229.121] has joined #lisp 06:28:35 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 06:28:49 -!- keppy 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dates in the HTTP form, "Mon, 13 May 2013 07:04:27 +0000" 07:49:24 -!- My_Hearing [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:49:27 _Mon_Ouie_ [~Mon_Ouie@91.177.237.21] has joined #lisp 07:49:57 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:51:50 icanhazfries [~icanhazfr@S010608863b327591.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 07:51:57 tried chronicle? 07:52:19 dim: what is that? It's not in QL 07:52:24 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-121.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:52:29 sorry meant http://chaitanyagupta.com/lisp/chronicity/ 07:53:56 wchun [~wchun@81-232-46-25-no38.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 07:54:12 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-121.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:54:23 -!- ogamita [~t@host.34.193.23.62.rev.coltfrance.com] has left #lisp 07:54:27 ogamita [~t@host.34.193.23.62.rev.coltfrance.com] has joined #lisp 07:55:03 it seems like simple-date-time has the capability 07:55:17 A pity local-time doesn't have it. 07:55:18 hkBst_ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 07:55:18 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 07:55:18 hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 07:55:35 Didn't the maintainer of local-time hang out here? 07:55:44 loke: it is dlowe 07:56:51 H4ns: thanks 07:56:55 -!- bitonic [~user@176.27.229.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:56:58 I'll submit a patch for him 07:57:35 hq1 [~aerosol@ns1.insant.pl] has joined #lisp 07:57:37 -!- hq1 [~aerosol@ns1.insant.pl] has quit [Changing host] 07:57:37 hq1 [~aerosol@unaffiliated/hq1] has joined #lisp 08:01:32 last I looked local-time only knew how to parse one format 08:02:19 -!- whist [~whist@c-98-232-204-76.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:03:09 foobar__ [~foo@host38-253-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 08:03:38 -!- prip_ [~foo@host98-125-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:06:14 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04e0e9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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parsing a string representing a date in a given format ("%YYYY-%MM-%dd") could certainly be done without the help of regular expressions 09:05:08 Regular expressions are reasonable for tokenization, but not so much parsing. 09:05:29 Well, lexing, rather, I guess. 09:05:41 regular expressions don't enable you to do anything, you can pretend they don't exist 09:05:52 but i still do not get your question 09:06:02 They're good at representing (infinitely) large sets of strings. 09:06:05 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-231-211.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:06:19 stassats`: was a rhetorical question 09:06:21 they're resonable for matching/replacement in non-structured data 09:09:44 dim: format strings may specify variable length fields. 09:10:25 -!- __main__ [~main@adsl-99-173-15-158.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:10:28 ogamita: yes 09:10:45 so you have to first parse the format string, and then use what you just parsed to parse the date string 09:10:54 so for them you may use regexp. 09:10:58 on [~on@95.Red-88-3-217.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 09:11:21 What if it's %d-%d-%d and your dates are 10234-1-12 ? 09:11:22 -!- on is now known as Guest99745 09:11:26 __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:12:10 dim: anyways, the point is what format strings you're considering. %YYYY is not CL, ~4,'D is. 09:12:45 ,'? 09:13:25 ogamita: the context we're talking about is parsing a date, and loke is the one interested in it, my intervention around that was only to question the need to depend on cl-ppcre for implementing what he's doing 09:14:45 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-121.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:14:51 -!- keppy [~Luca@c-67-183-147-48.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:15:46 d11wtq [~chris@124-148-163-108.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 09:15:59 ~4,'0D I meant, yes. 09:16:21 dim: years are not always 4 digits. 09:16:27 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-121.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:16:40 http://longnow.org/ 09:17:04 hey, once more, I'm not currently trying to solve that problem 09:20:08 newcup [newcup@peruna.fi] has joined #lisp 09:21:15 Kenjin [~kenjin@gw-isr.deec.uc.pt] has joined #lisp 09:23:55 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:24:49 rszeno [~rszeno@79.118.12.112] has joined #lisp 09:25:11 -!- kfoo [~kfoo@cable-86-56-52-189.cust.telecolumbus.net] has left #lisp 09:30:32 hjpark [~user@59.6.65.43] has joined #lisp 09:30:50 thsi conversation reminded me of that (setf format) hack (by Xof?).. 09:31:56 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:31:57 so that (let (y m d) (setf (format nil "~D-~D-~D" y m d) "2013-05-13") (assert (equal '(2013 5 13) (list y m d)))) works.. 09:33:41 For example, in C, printf and scanf format strings, while similar, have definite differences. 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(Since you have a source distribution, read in particular section 2) 12:16:39 newcup [newcup@peruna.fi] has joined #lisp 12:16:41 -!- Strigoides [~owen@114-134-0-69.lightwire.co.nz] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:16:51 z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has joined #lisp 12:16:56 tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:3c5c:7455:b3ee:137e] has joined #lisp 12:17:19 -!- ASau [~user@p5797F7E8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:17:27 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 12:18:22 yes i read that. it says i need to sbcl to build sbcl :D 12:18:25 jaimef_ [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #lisp 12:18:29 -to 12:18:37 right 12:18:46 hq1 [~aerosol@unaffiliated/hq1] has joined #lisp 12:18:50 breakds [~breakds@ppp-70-226-167-124.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 12:19:15 Amadiro [jonathri@dalvik.ping.uio.no] has joined #lisp 12:19:31 -!- benkard [~benkard@dhcp-138-246-85-7.dynamic.eduroam.mwn.de] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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Or ld 12:37:17 or maybe you have bad RAM 12:37:19 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:38:16 *stassats`* is a bit surprised why theos is under a) root b) fat32 12:38:30 ok. its building on ext4. thanks 12:39:34 stassats`: well, if your data's on fat32, root or not doesn't matter. 12:39:55 stassats` because 1) The following command installs SBCL and related documentation under the "/usr/local" directory (typically run as root) and 2) i used to store data on fat32 12:40:17 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-011-254.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:40:18 pkhuong: that was a set of unrelated surprises 12:40:28 theos: 12:40:36 ? 12:40:46 theos: usually, one builds as non-root and installs via sudo. 12:41:36 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-121.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:41:49 Gooder`` [~user@192.200.155.66] has joined #lisp 12:42:09 pkhuong i built as non-root. and installed as root :? when build failed, i tried as root in case... 12:42:13 josemanuel [~josemanue@43.233.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 12:42:22 BeLucid_ [~belucid@cpe-066-057-034-009.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:43:09 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-121.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:43:18 mgile_ [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 12:43:32 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:43:33 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:43:34 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Excess Flood] 12:43:46 -!- antgreen_ [~green@dsl-173-206-147-121.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:43:49 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:44:23 Alaa_ [~alaa@92.96.49.185] has joined #lisp 12:44:54 bitonic` [~user@176.27.229.121] has joined #lisp 12:44:54 -!- bitonic` [~user@176.27.229.121] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:44:54 -!- xpoqp [~xpoqp@unaffiliated/xpoqz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:44:56 hmm I'm testing some of my new error handling stuff 12:45:24 bitonic` [~user@176.27.229.121] has joined #lisp 12:45:35 it seems if swank server client disconnects, the slime-output-stream for it never throws an error, and continues buffering forever.. 12:45:50 nuba [~nuba@pauleira.com] has joined #lisp 12:46:16 it built and installed. thanks a lot :) 12:46:25 Jabberwockey [~quassel@83.151.30.10] has joined #lisp 12:47:19 grew to a few megs by now.. # output function is a lambda closed over terminated emacs connection, that uses (send-to-emacs), which uses (send), which on sbcl uses mailbox. 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Is there any explanation for this? 13:24:36 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Disconnected by services] 13:25:07 -!- davazp [~user@178.167.209.183.threembb.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:25:36 Denommus: yes, yes there is. 13:25:43 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 13:26:34 -!- easiere` [~user@50.7.253.58] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:27:00 -!- bitonic` [~user@176.27.229.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:27:00 -!- walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:28:05 while installing quicklisp-slime-helper, i get an error "Package CLC does not exist." if CLC is same as common lisp controller, then i have it installed. 13:28:06 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:28:21 luis: ... which is? 13:28:24 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:28:45 -!- hpd [~hpd@v22010117464441099.yourvserver.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:28:45 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:28:45 -!- ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:28:46 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:28:46 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:28:46 -!- jaimef_ [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:28:46 -!- djinni` [~djinni@li125-242.members.linode.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:28:46 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@host-95-199-207-118.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:28:46 -!- _8david [~user@port-212-202-134-139.static.qsc.de] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:28:47 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:28:47 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:28:48 -!- patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:28:48 -!- tkd [~tomek@tlahuizcalpantecuhtli.wa.ht] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:28:48 -!- abend_ [~quassel@75-148-54-129-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:28:48 -!- spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:28:49 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@77-56-40-229.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:28:49 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:28:49 -!- mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-ldnqgowkmsbiquxw] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:28:50 -!- ChibaPet [~ChibaPet@fsf/member/chibapet] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:28:50 -!- stardiviner_ [~quassel@218.74.178.20] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:28:50 -!- bjorkintosh [~bjork@ip68-13-229-200.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:28:50 -!- Guest1912 [x@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:93ba] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:28:51 -!- daimrod [daimrod@91.121.93.86] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:28:51 -!- saeftl [~invisible@213.95.11.194] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:28:51 -!- felideon [~felideon@199.241.28.84] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:28:51 -!- expez [~expez@expez.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:28:52 -!- Myk267 [~myk@unaffiliated/myk267] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:28:52 -!- ktx_ [~ktx@unaffiliated/ktx] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:28:53 -!- n0vember [~n0vember@liberacescursedpiano.org] has quit [*.net *.split] 13:29:05 My_Hearing [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 13:29:19 bitonic [~user@176.27.229.121] has joined #lisp 13:29:20 probably not a good time to ask >.> 13:29:27 ChibaPet [~ChibaPet@cocytus.blisses.org] has joined #lisp 13:29:27 -!- ChibaPet [~ChibaPet@cocytus.blisses.org] has quit [Changing host] 13:29:27 ChibaPet [~ChibaPet@fsf/member/chibapet] has joined #lisp 13:29:41 ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 13:30:11 tkd [~tomek@tlahuizcalpantecuhtli.wa.ht] has joined #lisp 13:32:09 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@2602:306:3686:aac0:8928:5a5e:1730:7bf4] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:33:23 pierpa` [~user@95.236.59.155] has joined #lisp 13:33:47 davazp [~user@178.167.207.169.threembb.ie] has joined #lisp 13:34:18 -!- My_Hearing is now known as Mon_Ouie 13:34:26 theos: the usual advice is to not to install a lisp from the debian archives 13:34:29 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-121.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:34:40 since clc has been problematic in the past 13:35:03 dlowe so i should uninstall clc and install it from source? 13:35:30 theos: no need from source. There's binary releases of ccl and sbcl 13:35:43 -!- minion [~minion@common-lisp.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 13:35:46 minion [~minion@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 13:35:47 dlowe i think they are old no? 13:36:04 theos: the debian packages are far, far older 13:36:27 natechan [~natechan@c-71-56-124-186.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:36:52 i have installed sbcl. just need clc. i should get the binary 13:36:59 -!- m4dnificent is now known as madnificent 13:37:02 -!- akovalenko [~user@195.18.46.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:37:02 -!- impulse [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1177937649.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:37:22 clc is a compatibility hack for debian. You don't actually need it. 13:37:24 so clc is common lisp controller? 13:37:26 -!- vhost- [~vhost@unaffiliated/vhost-] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:37:26 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:37:34 xpoqp [~xpoqp@203.80-203-124.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 13:37:34 well, you do if you run the debian package 13:37:35 -!- xpoqp [~xpoqp@203.80-203-124.nextgentel.com] has quit [Changing host] 13:37:36 xpoqp [~xpoqp@unaffiliated/xpoqz] has joined #lisp 13:38:17 oh. but why does quicklisp-slime-helper give error about clc? 13:38:37 no idea. feel free to dig into it and find out 13:38:47 afaik, it cant compile packages like alexandria etc 13:39:10 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 13:39:22 ok thanks 13:39:23 cmm- [~cmm@109.65.105.2] has joined #lisp 13:40:10 ZabaQ [~johnfredc@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 13:41:13 MoALTz_ [~no@host86-137-69-242.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 13:41:57 jtza8 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for bla> 18:30:05 oops 18:31:16 your cl+ssl is too old 18:31:29 or your trivial-gray-streams is too old 18:31:30 its from quicklisp 18:31:34 or either of them is too new 18:31:43 many choices :) 18:33:08 ah neither 18:33:21 I just didn't use CL+SSL's EXTERNAL-FORMAT option right 18:33:37 very nice 18:33:41 pnpuff [~C6248@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:37:18 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-121.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:39:12 -!- honkfestival [~honkfesti@67.210.173.114] has left #lisp 18:40:34 what's the best way to load up files, if i want to make some general macros that will be shared between different running hunchentoot instances ? 18:40:44 ah crap my name is messed up, brb 18:40:49 -!- ahungry_ [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:41:04 ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:41:17 ok back 18:41:22 -!- p_l [~pl@2002:5965:ded2::1] has quit [Ping 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resolution during (re)compilation. 18:50:51 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:53:53 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 18:54:06 bioevolgenec1 [~bioevolge@ppp-2-84-34-149.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 18:54:31 -!- davazp [~user@178.167.207.169.threembb.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:54:45 felideon [~felideon@199.241.28.84] has joined #lisp 18:54:54 -!- Joreji [~thomas@72-022.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:55:43 -!- bioevolgenec [~bioevolge@unaffiliated/bioevolgenec] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:56:08 Kenjin [~kenjin@bl6-48-206.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 18:56:32 erikc [~erikc@209.20.28.194] has joined #lisp 18:57:00 killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has joined #lisp 18:58:25 smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has joined #lisp 19:00:23 Thanks 19:00:33 ill have to start using it 19:00:44 movbh 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Any suggestions? I don't know the gui frameworks, I'm just starting 19:05:29 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:06:17 xificurC: In my experience over the last couple days, LTK seems to be the most reliable. 19:06:40 If I had a project with a deadline and wanted something tested, proven, well-supported, etc, I would pay for LispWorks and use CAPI. 19:06:53 zacts [~blueberry@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #lisp 19:06:53 If I was just messing around I would try Ltk and CommonQT. 19:07:09 I'm just playing around right now 19:07:13 that's 2 for ltk 19:07:53 why do I remember people complaining about Tcl/tk (not lispers) 19:08:27 xificurC: tcl/tk is a little weird, but afaik its a quite capable language 19:08:33 AntiSpamMeta2 [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 19:08:34 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Killed (hobana.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 19:08:34 -!- AntiSpamMeta2 is now known as AntiSpamMeta 19:09:07 wakeup, lisp is also known as weird :) 19:09:08 I guess the test programs look kinda 80s-ish. *shrug* 19:09:18 spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has joined #lisp 19:09:20 maybe two 'weirds' make a 'nice'? 19:09:26 is there a way to tweak make-mystruct so that one slot is computed from another one when given? (make-mystruct :date "string") would automatically parse the date string and setf the timestamp slot... 19:09:50 xificurC: lisp is not weird, lisp is actualy more like the standard 19:09:50 programming language. Its just not C. 19:10:30 wakeup, I agree that lisp is not weird 19:10:35 killerbo1 [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has joined #lisp 19:10:35 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has quit [Disconnected by services] 19:10:42 mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 19:11:22 -!- drmeister1 [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:11:57 stokachu_ [~stokachu@ajscg.com] has joined #lisp 19:11:59 -!- killerbo1 is now known as killerboy 19:12:02 kyl [~kyle_dev@deathstar.tyrfingr.is] has joined #lisp 19:12:41 I have never programmed a GUI with Lisp in my life so I wouldn't 19:12:42 know any advice... 19:13:14 Once upon a time I programmed a primitive DJ app using ANSI C, 19:13:14 mplayer in slave mode and GTK 19:13:17 dim: boa constructors. Or just let defstruct generate %make-foo, and write make-foo. 19:13:26 -!- xrq```` is now known as xrq 19:13:35 -!- xrq [~user@ip67-88-213-10.z213-88-67.customer.algx.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:13:35 xrq [~user@unaffiliated/xrq] has joined #lisp 19:13:58 -!- aw|rattler [~aw@unaffiliated/aw] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14:00 I was thinking maybe specializing make-instance, but that's CLOS 19:14:01 wakeup, why have you never built a gui-based lisp program if I may ask 19:14:14 boa-constructor using &aux? 19:14:28 dim: sure. 19:14:31 can you &aux a slot? I guess it's let's try and see time 19:14:52 yakov [~yakov@176.14.220.179] has joined #lisp 19:15:45 -!- mgile_ [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:15:45 -!- spacefro1 [~spacefrog@drsd-4db3cd54.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:15:45 -!- Kabaka [kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:15:46 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:15:47 -!- stokachu [~stokachu@ajscg.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:15:47 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:15:47 -!- kyl_ [~kyle_dev@deathstar.tyrfingr.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:15:47 -!- stokachu_ is now known as stokachu 19:15:49 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 19:16:10 -!- AeroNoti1 [~xeno@abok233.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 19:16:12 -!- miql [~miql@ip72-201-117-173.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:16:32 xificurC: I like text, I currently use emacs as my gui and use slime 19:16:32 to invoke my lisp programs. For instance MOUSE-3 sends a message to my 19:16:32 inferior-lisp, which then executes a method VIEW on a given file/url 19:16:32 which in return pipes some text into an emacs buffer 19:16:57 -!- joe9 [~user@c-71-236-20-61.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:17:55 ok thanks 19:17:56 sounds fun 19:18:04 I guess I just haven't programmed that many graphic things. My 19:18:04 software synthesizer can generate data suitable for GnuPlot. 19:18:24 Bike [~Glossina@75-175-78-253.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:18:57 Kabaka [kabaka@equine.vacantminded.com] has joined #lisp 19:19:10 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:19:12 but thats pretty much it. I think graphic is hard, lots of math. I 19:19:12 almost fainted last time I tried to write a program that intelligently 19:19:12 generates ascii art from tiles. 19:19:21 fun stuff but makes my head spin 19:19:35 and no I don't get paid for this ;) 19:19:42 if I was to deploy something I'd need GUI since my audience @work isnt programmers or the like 19:19:56 understandable 19:20:24 pkhuong: thanks, the &aux approach is neat 19:20:42 I write more vba than lisp since my work requires it 19:20:48 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 19:20:49 depending of how coomplicated/interactive you're gui is you could 19:20:50 always think about a web app 19:20:59 sometimes its nice to write something many people start to use and saves ton of time 19:21:03 though I did have use &key for the other slots, so that's not a boa-constructor anymore I guess 19:21:08 but vba is a little too funny for me 19:21:29 i havent built web apps either :( 19:21:49 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22:17 vba in excel feels like the Imperative language 19:22:46 drmeister1 [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 19:22:46 xificurC: Have you heard about the Lisp in Summer Projects 19:22:46 competition. If you are developing something open source in lisp, you 19:22:46 could get paid. :) 19:22:47 lisp is a lot different, harder for me since i'm new at it, but also a lot more fun 19:23:56 xificurC: http://lispinsummerprojects.org/ 19:23:57 i think my contract at work ties my hands completely. I would be amazed if I wrote something and could claim it mine 19:24:13 ah ok 19:24:34 well if you plan on doing something in you spare time consider competing 19:25:04 github's markdown table don't support multi-line text doh 19:25:17 *maxm-* can't directly paste docstrings into doc 19:25:18 I will definitely apply with a project. I am developing lots of 19:25:18 small things for fun and open source, so for me this is a good chance te 19:25:18 get something for stuff I'd do anyways 19:26:04 wakeup, thanks. And good luck with your projects, 2k doesnt sound bad does it 19:26:14 dont think so ;) 19:26:24 normanrichards [~normanric@63.97.102.250] has joined #lisp 19:26:52 clojure everywhere 19:32:10 -!- _d3f [~gnu@ip-static-94-242-252-66.as5577.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 19:32:36 -!- movbh [~wircer@tmo-104-17.customers.d1-online.com] has left #lisp 19:33:15 -!- pnpuff [~C6248@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:33:16 nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-216-94.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 19:34:07 -!- ezakimak [~nick@72.250.219.55] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:34:14 -!- My_Hearing [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 19:34:19 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:34:33 My_Hearing [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 19:34:36 ezakimak [~nick@72.250.219.55] has joined #lisp 19:35:03 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.154.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:36:11 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:36:24 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:37:01 -!- ryankara1on is now known as ryankarason 19:37:19 pnpuff [~C6248@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 19:39:28 -!- p_l [~pl@2002:5965:ded2::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:40:09 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 19:41:03 p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has joined #lisp 19:43:26 -!- pnpuff [~C6248@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 19:45:05 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-90-5.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:45:40 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 19:46:36 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-182-239.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 19:47:09 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:47:12 -!- smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.3.1] 19:48:31 -!- teggi [~teggi@113.173.18.21] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49:10 -!- xificurC [~xificurC@adsl-dyn183.78-99-137.t-com.sk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:54:05 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:55:59 pnpuff [~C6248@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 19:56:44 -!- scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 19:57:01 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-127-181.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 19:57:02 scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has joined #lisp 19:57:33 -!- scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has quit [Client Quit] 19:58:55 ASau [~user@p5797F7E8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:59:25 -!- pnpuff [~C6248@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 20:00:04 pnpuff [~C6248@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 20:02:53 wakeup` [~user@xdsl-89-0-80-164.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:03:02 bitonic [~user@176.27.229.121] has joined #lisp 20:03:26 karswell [~user@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 20:03:40 -!- My_Hearing is now known as Mon_Ouie 20:05:06 -!- pnpuff [~C6248@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 20:05:57 -!- wakeup [~user@xdsl-78-34-213-117.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:06:10 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 20:09:06 AeroNotix [~xeno@abok233.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:11:17 runningskull [~runningsk@li77-167.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 20:11:47 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:11:51 -!- tomaw is now known as 5EXAAGVG5 20:11:53 cibs [~cibs@118-163-170-73.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 20:11:53 ahoops [~ahoops__@121.96.14.223] has joined #lisp 20:11:53 karupanerura [~freenode@49.212.131.99] has joined #lisp 20:12:56 -!- 5EXAAGVG5 is now known as tomaw 20:14:03 yeah, so now that it's been announced publicly, I'm sad to say that ITA Software's reservation system has been canceled. 20:14:39 :( 20:14:40 what about current customers? 20:14:52 felideon: There arent any. 20:15:05 The customer will be supported until at least the end of the contract 20:15:06 When will the madness end! First reader, now this! 20:15:26 sellout-: wrong, sir. 20:15:37 we've run cape air for about a year and a half now 20:15:42 and so the search for airport middleware written later than the 1970s goes on 20:15:56 Ah, well than thats even more unfortunate. 20:16:16 there's a chance some other company will buy it. 20:16:24 Krystof: Yeah  the problem is having to interact with that crap. Indy airlines get to write modern simple software. 20:16:40 blast. That means we can expect to have scheduling constraints to satisfy neolithic middleware for a while. 20:17:11 ... "new-stone" middleware? 20:17:34 still, it funded a certain amount of lisp development for a while 20:18:42 who's the next billion-dollar company who will employ the entire world's lisp hackers, I wonder? 20:19:01 well, the fare search is still powered by QPX 20:19:07 -!- antgreen [green@nat/redhat/session] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:19:11 which is a large common lisp project 20:19:28 An end of the era of "This public library does all these strange things because of ITA's opaque internal needs" 20:19:34 QPX is the one that used SBCL rather than CCL, isn't it? 20:20:07 -!- Faed is now known as Fade 20:20:13 dlowe: sure :-) it didn't employ the whole of the lisp world to develop it, though 20:20:41 nyef_: yeah, it still uses sbcl 20:22:55 :), a need for sbcl for mobile and embbeded device? 20:23:54 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 20:23:55 ... the SBCL ARM port again? 20:24:30 i don't know 20:25:54 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 20:27:24 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl18-80-238.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 20:28:06 <``Erik> sbcl arm would be awesome... I have an openrd sitting in a box because I wanted to focus on sbcl related shtuff 20:28:21 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #lisp 20:28:37 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 20:28:37 miql [~miql@ip72-201-117-173.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 20:28:37 Aiwass [~user@188.26.203.86] has joined #lisp 20:28:37 BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has joined #lisp 20:28:37 prxq_ [~mommer@mnhm-5f75c5e6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 20:28:37 phadthai [mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net] has joined #lisp 20:28:37 jayne_ [~jayne@freenode/staff/jayne] has joined #lisp 20:28:37 arbscht_ [~arbscht@fsf/member/arbscht] has joined #lisp 20:28:37 macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h-199-47.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 20:28:37 interindustry01 [~interindu@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:28:37 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:28:37 newcup [newcup@peruna.fi] has joined #lisp 20:28:37 cdidd [~cdidd@128-69-130-17.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 20:28:37 __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:28:37 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #lisp 20:28:48 ``Erik: How much do you want to get your hands dirty trying to make it happen? 20:28:49 I'm looking forward to hearing from wukix re mocl at ECLM 20:29:53 -!- BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 20:30:14 -!- Aiwass is now known as Guest68601 20:30:16 <``Erik> nyef_: I'm in the process of leaving my job to try a startup again, so aproaching -1/0... :/ (I'm already off enough by insisting on fbsd for the server and osX for the dev box... anti-reddit style, yo) 20:30:46 -!- varjag_ is now known as varjag 20:31:05 -!- tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:31:16 -!- jayne_ is now known as jayne 20:31:28 Heh. I'm running Linux on the server and Linux in a VM on OSX for my dev box. 20:32:13 ... 64-bit threaded SBCL on FreeBSD on the server? 20:32:52 thinking about that matroshka arrangement is kind of giving me a headache. 20:35:12 -!- joooooo [setmeaway3@119.201.52.138] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:35:22 (If so, I highly recommend SBCL 1.1.8 or newer, or at least current HEAD.) 20:35:59 araujo [~araujo@190.73.45.171] has joined #lisp 20:35:59 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.73.45.171] has quit [Changing host] 20:35:59 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 20:36:08 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-71.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:36:56 -!- Guest68601 [~user@188.26.203.86] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:37:15 Aiwass` [~user@188.26.203.86] has joined #lisp 20:37:28 -!- Aiwass` [~user@188.26.203.86] has left #lisp 20:37:43 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:41:56 Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has joined #lisp 20:42:01 hi 20:42:25 Hello. 20:42:53 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-216-94.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:42:53 I'm lost again. trying to pass a dynamic contents to the cl-who:with-html-output macro... 20:43:06 Xach: they are going to present? Damn, I wish I went :/ 20:43:21 TAPOUEH> (with-html-output (*standard-output*) (parse 'paragraph "plop")) gives (HTM (:P (STR "plop"))) 20:43:32 which is the unaltered result of the parsing 20:43:36 do I have an implementation for doing crossplatform games? I'm trying to use ECL, but I don't seem to be able to use lispbuilder-sdl nor CLinch 20:43:58 "of course" (with-html-output (*standard-output*) (htm (:p (str "plop")))) gives

plop

20:44:08 Denommus: First question, "what platforms"? 20:44:10 any tip welcome 20:44:33 nyef_: all PC platforms (Windows, Linux, Mac), android and iOS 20:44:46 p_l: NOT TOO LATE 20:44:51 macro expansion time I guess 20:44:56 BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has joined #lisp 20:45:04 I thought about using ECL, since it translates to C, but... errors using lispbuilder-sdl 20:45:13 dim: who doesn't do macroexpansion. 20:45:26 -!- interindustry01 [~interindu@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: interindustry01] 20:45:27 ... you're expecting to get something like this onto iOS and through the app store? I didn't think that that would be possible. 20:46:11 nyef_: they changed the rule. Just don't download code. 20:46:15 I would like *at least* to get it working on Android 20:46:16 Ah, okay. 20:46:18 That's neat. 20:46:18 pkhuong: well with-html-output is a macro, and... 20:46:24 seculum01 [~seculum01@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:46:35 well it's not recognizing my forms so it's evaluating my code 20:46:35 How about CCL? I hear that it will hit most of those targets. 20:46:40 not recursively 20:47:02 dim: Perhaps with-html-output is the wrong tool for this job? 20:47:04 (let ((src (parse 'paragraph "plop"))) (with-html-output (*standard-output*) src)) still gives (HTM (:P (STR "plop"))) though 20:47:23 nyef_: seems very likely 20:47:41 nyef_: let me try it 20:48:20 nyef_: well I'm producing syntax this macro wants 20:49:34 dim: No, you're not. If you WERE, it would WORK. 20:49:55 mm. 20:51:21 manual tests confirm the syntax is ok, the problem is what's evaluated when, I think, really 20:51:39 (with-html-output (*standard-output*) (htm (:p (str "plop")))) gives

plop

20:51:44 dim: who parses the body at macroexpansion-time, without performing any fancy code walking. 20:51:51 (with-html-output (*standard-output*) '(htm (:p (str "plop")))) gives (HTM (:P (STR "plop"))) 20:52:07 dim: (defclass () () (my-slot-definer)) when (my-slot-definer) returns (a :reader a) doesn't "work" either. 20:52:12 pkhuong: yeah, but I'm trying to feed who with run-time data 20:52:13 (defun (generate-a-name-for-me) (...)) also works OK, it's just not evaluated at the right time. I even tried making the generator a macro, and it still doesn't work. 20:52:49 thanks guys, I'm slow as hell at night tho 20:53:56 is the only way to feed run-time data to code expecting it at macro expansion time calling into the compiler at run-time? 20:54:07 if yes, I have to pick another facility, cl-who is not what I need 20:54:46 dim: I believe the documentation covers that. 20:55:27 -!- seculum01 [~seculum01@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:55:55 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 20:56:36 -!- spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:58:12 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:58:43 -!- eldariof [~CLD@188.168.242.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:59:48 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@63.97.102.250] has quit [Quit: normanrichards] 21:01:29 detenus61 [~detenus61@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:01:39 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 21:02:17 well I'm not seeing it, that's for sure 21:03:17 -!- gvz [~garvezys@78-60-33-10.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Quit: bye.] 21:05:31 -!- prxq_ [~mommer@mnhm-5f75c5e6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:06:06 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-71.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:07:49 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-71.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 21:08:39 nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-216-94.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 21:12:38 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:12:40 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@gw-s1-p-nat.arc.losrios.edu] has joined #lisp 21:14:23 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:15:46 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #lisp 21:17:43 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 21:22:55 kenanb [~user@unaffiliated/kenanb] has joined #lisp 21:27:52 -!- detenus61 [~detenus61@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: detenus61] 21:28:01 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@128-69-130-17.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:29:43 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-182-239.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:29:55 -!- eni [~eni@82.230.88.217] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:31:09 smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has joined #lisp 21:31:28 jasonville00 [~Jasonvill@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:32:51 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-71.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:33:48 the only way out I'm finding uses eval 21:34:13 (let ((src (parse 'paragraph "plop"))) (eval `(with-html-output (*standard-output*) ,src))) 21:34:22 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-71.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 21:34:46 -!- drmeister1 [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:35:09 tigranes [~tigranes@static-50-53-64-118.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has joined #lisp 21:36:17 Is it all right to use external functions in SB-INT package? I can't seem to find any documentation about it. 21:36:34 tigranes: that's internal, they change them frequently 21:37:02 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has left #lisp 21:37:19 I see... Do you know if sb-int:strerror is the only way to get error string from an errno? 21:39:02 I suppose it's not all that important to retain portability between versions, actually. 21:39:05 (define-alien-routine strerror ...) 21:39:10 Bike: Thanks! 21:39:14 -!- jewel_ [~jewel@105-236-20-77.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:39:51 *tigranes* is still rather afraid of doing FFI :D 21:40:09 well, that's what you'd be doing with sb-int:strerror, just behind an interface 21:41:04 It's kindof surprising that it doesn't seem to be in sb-posix as well... 21:41:27 Bike: I'm fine with interfaces; have been going nuts with SB-POSIX and SB-UNIX stuff :D 21:41:51 (err, s/going nuts/having a lot of fun/) 21:41:56 SB-UNIX is also a private package, JFYI. 21:42:15 Oh :\ 21:42:17 Your new trick for today is (documentation (find-package :sb-unix) t) 21:43:22 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-71.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:30 Nice! I've been recently getting more comfortable with APROPOS, DESCRIBE, and DOCUMENTATION, but haven't tried that. 21:45:03 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abok233.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 21:46:49 hmm, it makes it sound like cmucl would be a better platform for unix development than sbcl 21:47:15 ... Don't go there. 21:47:19 -!- agumonkey [~agu@126.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:47:38 sorry 21:47:43 Might make sense to fix the docstring though... 21:48:00 "This was XYZZY in CMUCL" is pretty much irrelevant for anyone looking at an sbcl docstring these days. 21:48:22 or mention sb-posix? 21:48:46 tigranes: SB-POSIX is to SBCL what the UNIX package is to CMUCL, approximately. 21:48:52 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 21:49:45 *tigranes* needs to spend more quality time with SBCL manual. 21:51:31 among the sequence types defined in ANSI CL like lists, vectors, arrays etc. are there any that are not usually implemented as first-class citizens of CL implementation? 21:52:11 (VECTOR NIL) usually isn't available. 21:52:12 kenanb: what would make a sequence type a second class citizen? 21:52:18 joe9 [~user@c-71-236-20-61.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:53:33 pkhuong: I have no idea. Someone on twitter just said (about clojure) "he likes the first-class vectors and maps, and accept the use of Java in implementations, but not all do." 21:54:18 pkhuong: I couldn't find anything that makes vectors second class either so I wanted to ask in case that person meant something that I have no insight on. 21:55:02 Is it possible to override the implementation-provided ASDF by a newer version in quicklisp? (ql:quickload :asdf seems to do something, but then asdf::*asdf-version* still shows the old implementation-provided version (on lispworks)) 21:57:58 Bike_ [~Glossina@67-5-201-210.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:58:01 -!- natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:58:08 antonszka: you have to edit setup.lisp 21:58:22 -!- Bike [~Glossina@75-175-78-253.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:58:24 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 21:58:30 change the required-asdf-version in quicklisp/setup.lisp to match your asdf.lisp which you copy into quicklisp/ 21:58:34 anton^Hszka  I like that :) 21:58:50 also, delete quicklisp/cache/ 21:58:59 Hm... Will try, thanks. 21:59:10 oh sorry i didn't see the ^H come thru on my end 21:59:25 Terminals do funny things. 22:03:53 nug700 [~nug700@184-98-122-253.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:03:59 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.42] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:04:39 robot-be` [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:04:48 antoszka: you shouldn't have to do (ql:quickload :asdf) 22:05:04 natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 22:05:19 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:05:25 just stop & restart your system after replacing quicklisp/asdf.lisp, updating quicklisp/setup.lisp, and removing quicklisp/cache/ 22:05:45 setup.lisp will compile & load the quicklisp/asdf.lisp as part of its bootstrapping 22:06:14 -!- k-stz [~user@HSI-KBW-095-208-250-031.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has left #lisp 22:06:17 -!- nug700_ [~nug700@184-98-122-253.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:06:22 gendl: The thing is that LW provides asdf version 2.019. 22:06:27 And I'm (or mostly mrSpec is) after loading the latest version. 22:06:28 jute [~Thunderbi@31.212.107.98] has joined #lisp 22:06:59 so what's the problem? 22:07:03 So it's not really a problem of the version provided by QL, but by the implementation. 22:07:07 antoszka: ASDF is supposed to be in-place updatable. 22:07:18 Yeah, so the question is *how*. 22:07:22 when you load quicklisp/setup.lisp, you should see an "upgrading asdf" message 22:07:28 Hm. 22:07:37 -!- attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:08:04 what happens when you do the 3 steps i listed, then restart the system and load quicklisp/setup.lisp ? 22:08:26 then evaluate asdf:*asdf-version* 22:09:03 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:09:06 mrSpec: ping 22:09:07 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:09:13 antoszka: thanks ;) 22:09:43 gendl: I'll try them and let you know, thanks 22:10:14 what asdf.lisp do you want to upgrade to? 22:10:41 -!- talas [~talas@136.144.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:11:11 2.33.10? 22:11:13 bioevolgenec [~bioevolge@unaffiliated/bioevolgenec] has joined #lisp 22:11:23 -!- bioevolgenec1 [~bioevolge@ppp-2-84-34-149.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:11:48 assuming yes, then you should have in quicklisp/setup.lisp: 22:12:07 (defvar *required-asdf-version* "2.33.10") 22:12:49 may I ask why are you upgrading ADSF? Do you want to use the monolithic-fasl feature or one of the other new features? 22:13:28 2.33 is fine ;) 22:13:39 breakds [~breakds@ppp-70-226-167-124.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 22:14:16 I have some strange problem with older version as it exports split-sequence 22:14:48 -!- Tordek_ is now known as Tordek 22:15:12 I see there is no problem on friends lw, who use newer asdf 22:15:13 -!- jasonville00 [~Jasonvill@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: jasonville00] 22:15:52 mrSpec: Why doesn't your LW use a newer ASDF then? 22:15:55 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:16:10 davazp [~user@92.251.152.1.threembb.ie] has joined #lisp 22:16:11 Current asdf exports only asdf/utility:split-string as far as splitting strings is concerned. 22:16:12 -!- kanru [~kanru@66.207.208.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:16:22 seangrove [~user@c-24-5-81-102.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:16:24 monotrichous65 [~monotrich@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:17:10 -!- kenanb [~user@unaffiliated/kenanb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:45 patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 22:18:37 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 22:19:29 -!- Nosceteipsum [~Nosceteip@e177113172.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:19:39 tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.83] has joined #lisp 22:19:45 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #lisp 22:21:34 -!- bioevolgenec [~bioevolge@unaffiliated/bioevolgenec] has left #lisp 22:23:20 mrSpec: http://common-lisp.net/project/asdf/asdf.html#Loading-ASDF  try this (scroll down to 2.3 Upgrading ASDF) 22:23:51 drmeister1 [~drmeister@166.137.107.157] has joined #lisp 22:24:19 oki, thanks guys, but I will check this out in the morning. its too late to deal with it ;) 22:24:25 akovalenko [~user@195.18.46.21] has joined #lisp 22:24:36 I've tried update setup.lisp, remove cache but no sucess :( 22:25:46 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: screams] 22:27:02 moore33 [~moore@ABordeaux-153-1-4-223.w92-146.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 22:27:04 erikc [~erikc@209.20.28.194] has joined #lisp 22:27:18 mrSpec: what happened? 22:27:25 did it generate a new cache? 22:27:31 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 22:27:34 you did put the new asdf.lisp into quicklisp/, right? 22:28:01 -!- mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Parting is such sweet sorrow...] 22:30:05 jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has joined #lisp 22:31:02 -!- victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has quit [Quit: Leaving IRC - dircproxy 1.2.0] 22:31:17 gendl: its more complicated I've discovered that I already had newer asdf so I didnt put it. 22:31:31 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:31:42 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@108-225-26-178.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:32:04 gendl: Sorry, g2g. 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