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245 seconds] 01:06:04 so if I have a literal command line computed as a string, i have to break it up into separate strings, one for each arg? 01:06:14 kfoo [~kfoo@cable-86-56-52-189.cust.telecolumbus.net] has joined #lisp 01:06:30 mathrick__ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 01:06:33 or am i missing the point here 01:06:36 tobyo1 [~tobyo@cpe-24-165-22-166.san.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:06:58 gko [gko@2400:8900::f03c:91ff:fe70:e605] has joined #lisp 01:07:27 tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:3c5c:7455:b3ee:137e] has joined #lisp 01:07:32 derrida [~derrida-f@unaffiliated/deleuze] has joined #lisp 01:07:32 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #lisp 01:07:55 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 01:08:41 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 01:09:06 tessier [~treed@216.105.40.125] has joined #lisp 01:09:06 -!- tessier [~treed@216.105.40.125] has quit [Changing host] 01:09:06 tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has joined #lisp 01:09:48 vhost- 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01:43:30 #+(:and) enables the following form. #+(:or) suppresses the following form. 01:43:44 "reading (:and) or (:or)" means what ? 01:44:09 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 01:44:21 (More specifically, #+ reads the following form with *PACKAGE* set to the keyword package... And #. works within the context of #+ or #-. 01:44:24 ) 01:45:27 zRecursive: reading means reading. What the read objects mean, depend on where they are read. 01:45:47 Type at the REPL: (read) RET #.(cl:if (cl:equal (ext:getenv "HOME") "/home/foo") '(:and) '(:or)) RET 01:46:20 -!- Thra11_ [~Thra11@87.112.165.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:47:43 While you may have a good reason to test specifically for the environment variable (a specifically POSIX notion), notice that CL has user-homedir-pathname, so you could as well do (equalp #p"/home/foo/" (user-homedir-pathname)) 01:47:50 suppose the reading result is (:or), then '("Hi" (:or) "Lisp") means what ? 01:48:08 Nothing, but that's irrelevant. 01:48:15 Try: '("Hi" #+(:or) "Lisp") 01:48:28 vs.: '("Hi" #+(:and) "Lisp") 01:48:31 It's not '("Hi" (:or) "Lisp"), it's '("Hi" #+(:or) "Lisp"), which is something completely different. 01:48:51 evaluate (ext:getenv "HOME") to see 01:49:24 oh, it is #+(:or) not (:or) 01:49:38 I think that the worst example of this kind of shenanigans is in SBCL, where there's a conditional that has to check both host (#+/#-) and target (#!+/#!-) features to figure out what to do. 01:49:47 zRecursive: notice that there are several reading/evaluating embeded there. 01:50:03 At the REPL, you type '("Hi" #+#.(cl:if (cl:equal (ext:getenv "HOME") "/home/foo") '(:and) '(:or)) "Lisp") 01:50:23 the REPL calls READ. READ sees the character #\' and calls the reader macro for this character. 01:50:37 The #\' reader macro calls READ to get the following object. 01:50:50 READ sees the character #\( so it calls the reader macro for #\(. 01:51:12 The #\( reader macro calls READ. 01:51:19 CrazyEddy [~sublessor@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 01:51:23 READ sees #\" so it calls the reader macro for #\" 01:51:35 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@a85-138-197-134.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 01:51:46 The #\" reader macro calls read-char until it finds another #\" and returns a string containing the character #\H and #\i. 01:51:58 The #\( reader macro calls READ again. 01:52:17 READ sees #+ so it calls the dispatching reader macro for #\# #\+ 01:52:46 The dispatching reader macro for #\# #\+ calls READ (with *package* bound to the keyword package). 01:53:01 READ sees #. so it calls the dispatching reader macro for #\# #\. 01:53:34 nyef_: yeah... took me a half dozen tries to get that right. 01:53:35 The dispatching reader macro for #\# #\. calls READ (I'll skip a few reads and reader macros) and gets the sexp (cl:if (cl:equal (ext:getenv "HOME") "/home/foo") '(:and) '(:or)) 01:53:58 pkhuong_: You? I'm thinking of the Win32 unwind noise that I had to make happen properly. 01:53:59 The dispatching reader macro for #\# #\. calls EVAL on that sexp, and gets the result (:OR) or (:AND), and returns that as read. 01:54:16 pkhuong_: Are you thinking of the 64/32 bit noise? 01:54:38 The dispatching reader macro for #\# #\+ gets the read object, (:OR) or (:AND) and evaluates it as a feature expression (to false or true), 01:55:03 There are a few such conditionals now ;) 01:55:06 But yeah, the fact that the form for #+/#- is read with *PACKAGE* bound to the keyword package really makes things confusing. 01:55:09 -!- woe-boding75 [~woe-bodin@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: woe-boding75] 01:55:12 and binds *READ-SUPPRESS* to that value, before calling READ. 01:55:33 Plus the sheer brain-twistyness of dealing with feature conditionals for two different feature lists. 01:55:37 pjb: you make it clear, thx 01:55:44 READ then reads "Lisp", and depending on *read-suppress*, returns no value or the string "Lisp". 01:55:52 and so on. 01:56:00 Do good C/C++/etc. programmers generally know this much about their compilers, or is that only CL programmers? 01:56:25 Good C programmers, yes. But also those languages are 01:56:26 ozonoscopic76 [~ozonoscop@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:56:32 much more flat. 01:56:48 a fair number of compiler devs are also vocal here. 01:57:38 Well, as a meta programming programming language, lisp necessarily attracts people interested in language design and compiler writing. 01:57:40 -!- tobyo1 [~tobyo@cpe-24-165-22-166.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:57:43 Even newbies. 01:58:11 pjb: Oh, yeah, good point about them being more flat. It's mind-boggling that a CL program could modify the process you described to do something different. 01:58:12 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Quit: i will be back...nvm] 01:58:49 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 02:01:20 Well, you can also do the same in C or C++. With some work. Have a look at http://www.informatimago.com/articles/life-saver.html#openc++ 02:02:58 Oy 02:03:43 Better tha templates anyways. 02:03:51 n 02:04:04 gmcastil [~user@207-224-44-98.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 02:04:10 whist [~whist@c-98-232-204-76.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:05:35 Do i need to use reader macro here: http://paste.lisp.org/display/137117 02:07:00 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@a85-138-197-134.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:07:14 miql [~miql@ip72-201-117-173.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 02:07:34 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:08:50 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:10:13 How does show-group-name depend on the environment variable MPD? 02:10:40 (defun ) (when (not (stumpwm::getenv "MPD")) (replace-hook *focus-group-hook* 'show-group-name)) 02:11:11 zRecursive: yes  there are three distanct "times" in the life cycle of a big of code like that. 1) when the forms are read, 2) when they are compiled, and 3) when they are executed. The defun defines the function at #2. The when fires at #3. You can use #+ #- to get fine control over what is actually rad during #1 02:11:29 big of code -> bit of code 02:13:51 what i want is: If there is MPD, then #'show-group-name should be defined and *focus-group-hook will not be replaced 02:14:08 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:14:24 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 02:14:27 s/shooud/should not/ 02:15:10 bhyde: i see ,thx 02:15:12 -!- Guest16294 is now known as DrPete 02:15:18 -!- DrPete [~DrPete@90.201.29.227] has quit [Changing host] 02:15:18 DrPete [~DrPete@unaffiliated/drpete] has joined #lisp 02:15:48 -!- ckoch786 [~quassel@108-70-143-173.lightspeed.toldoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:18:20 zRecursive: basing this on the environment is a detail, ignore that for the moment. if you do (push :MPD-please *features*) that will change the "features" of you session to include that flag. you can then write #+mpd-please(progn (defun ) ) and that will only be read at #1 when that is in your features 02:18:31 rm0130 [~rm0130@110.179.225.106] has joined #lisp 02:19:04 -!- photex_ [uid2006@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yozntcpgtxgvszjk] has quit [] 02:19:15 once that's working for you then you can arrange to push :mod-please, or what ever name you prefer, based on the environment variable  earlier in your build 02:19:27 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:19:30 photex [uid2006@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ibbnezfpzvnmmrqj] has joined #lisp 02:19:46 Bike [~Glossina@75-164-174-146.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 02:21:37 bhyde: but user canot (push :MPD-please *features*) in script ? 02:22:27 zRecursive: sure. 02:22:37 in ~/.xinitrc, clisp) export MPD=YES /usr/local/etc/rc.d/musicpd onestart 02:22:37 exec $HOME/bin/stumpwm-clisp 02:22:37 ;; 02:23:23 -!- lduros` [~user@pool-108-52-158-66.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:23:23 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 02:26:49 zRecursive: my point was you have two distinct problems to solve - a) you need to conditionally read that form ( that's what #+mpd-please(prong ) solves), and b) you need to get :mod-please into your *features* based on the environment variable. 02:27:11 i don't know if you need help with (b) as well as (a) :) 02:27:38 -!- Guest65323 is now known as notori0us 02:27:44 -!- notori0us [~irc@notoriouscw.com] has quit [Changing host] 02:27:44 notori0us [~irc@osuosc/notori0us] has joined #lisp 02:28:20 zRecursive: you didn't answer the important question: WHEN? 02:28:26 if there is MPD WHEN? 02:28:29 When compiling? 02:28:39 When reading the source? 02:28:44 When loading the binary? 02:28:47 When executing? 02:29:16 bhyde: i see now 02:29:42 pjb: when MPD is defined in ENV. 02:29:49 Usually, environment variables are used at run-time, not at compilation time, because you want to use the environment of the user WHEN the user runs the program, not the environment of the developer WHEN the developer compiles it. 02:29:55 -!- santana [~santana@201-167-0-181-cable.cybercable.net.mx] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:30:06 zRecursive: "when MPD is defined in ENV." still doesn't mean anything. 02:30:31 zRecursive: pjb makes a good point  i suspect that there isn't a good reason to work so hard to avoid including MPD in your executable, just suppress it's use at execution time  don't bother to try and suppress it at read time, or the other options 02:30:47 pjb: it means the user will use MPD 02:31:17 WHEN will the user use MPD? When the developer compiles the program? 02:31:54 when it login into the system ? 02:32:00 You see, lisp gives you a lot of freedom to do things at various times. So you must be concious of it, and you must decide yourself of when to do things. 02:32:26 zRecursive: are you sure? Is your program running when a user logs into the system? 02:32:33 ok, here is executing time 02:32:43 Good. 02:32:49 So at run-time. 02:32:55 yeah 02:33:13 So you mustn't test getenv "MPD" at read time or at compilation time. Only at run-time. 02:33:41 so (when (not (stumpwm::getenv "MPD")) ...) is ok ? 02:34:15 Yes. 02:34:18 Now, since *features* is mostly used to determine what is read (with #+ and #-), there's little point in copying the environment variable MPD (or its presence) ont the *features* list. 02:34:51 zRecursive: well, MPD=NO ./pgm ; MPD=YES ./pgm ; MPD= ./pgm ; ( unset PMD ; ./pgm) 02:35:03 Just testing (not (getenv "MPD")) may not do what you want. 02:35:21 In anycase, you must decide it and document it. 02:35:28 sure 02:35:34 tobyo1 [~tobyo@cpe-24-165-22-166.san.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:38:18 Notice that if you already have configuration files, it may not be too useful to use environment variables to configure the program. Just use the configuration file or even command-line arguments. ./pgm --with-mpd ; ./pgm --without-mpd ; 02:38:28 zRecursive: also that defun should be at top level, not inside the when http://paste.lisp.org/+2XST/1. 02:38:30 Is there already a MPD environment variable used by other programs? 02:38:35 -!- rm0130 [~rm0130@110.179.225.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:39:12 I find only MPD_HOST and MPD_PORT 02:42:49 nug700_ [~nug700@174-19-135-13.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 02:43:50 in my box. there isno other MPD*. 02:43:54 eli [~eli@racket/eli] has joined #lisp 02:45:01 ok. 02:45:10 bhyde: thx 02:45:51 -!- nug700 [~nug700@174-19-134-173.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:50:13 KDr2 [~KDr2@114.243.226.34] has joined #lisp 02:51:29 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 02:53:03 nug700 [~nug700@184-98-125-31.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 02:54:58 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 02:55:29 -!- nug700_ [~nug700@174-19-135-13.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:57:27 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 02:57:43 i'm using ccl, log4cl, slime  i do (log:config :this-console) but my threads log to *inferior-lisp*  is that the expected behavior? 02:58:24 Your PTY would be pointing to the *inferior-lisp* buffer, surely? 02:59:53 -!- Watcher7 is now known as Watcher7|off 03:01:00 Hey nyef - I fixed my problem wrt exception handling in LLVM a couple of days ago. Thanks for your pointers on how SBCL does exception handling/unwind-protect. 03:01:50 drmeister: Congratulations, then. And you're welcome. 03:01:59 I have a general question for anyone. I'm implementing the last special operator PROGV. 03:02:06 nyef -- i guess that means you know that this-console means the PTY, rather than stream of the REPL i invoke it in. 03:02:26 Should (progv '(*x*) '(2) *x*) throw an error if *x* is not defined as special? 03:03:01 drmeister: no. 03:03:31 not any more than (let ((*x* 2)) (declare (special x)) ...) 03:03:41 Ok, then I have to fix something. 03:03:44 pkhuong_: Wait, why not? The reference to *x* is clearly undefined. 03:04:04 -!- Watcher7|off is now known as Watcher7 03:04:06 I should have tried it in sbcl first - I'll do that now. 03:04:13 -!- feliped is now known as felideon 03:04:22 bhyde: I don't, actually, due to not having a clue about log4cl, but I rather associate "console" with a PTY. 03:04:31 (Or a real tty. Whichever.) 03:05:18 bhyde: Consider what happens if you try to log from within a WITH-OUTPUT-TO-STRING grabbing *STANDARD-OUTPUT*, though. 03:05:23 drmeister: oh wait, sorry. Yeah, the reference inside progv is undefined behaviour. People expect to get a dynamic binding lookup, but you could also run angband. 03:05:51 pkhuong_: Classic GCC #pragma behavior? 03:06:02 pkhuong: Hmm - sbcl returned (progv '(*x*) '(2) *x*) --> 2 03:06:18 nyef_: i can see that as reasonable, just not what I expected :) 03:06:25 What does "run angband" mean? 03:06:42 drmeister: There's a "roguelike" game called "angband". 03:06:56 i don't think that progv requires that the vars being dynamically bound are declared special 03:07:02 Oh, meaning "implementation specific behavior". 03:07:35 pranavrc [~pranavrc@122.174.43.18] has joined #lisp 03:07:39 drmeister: Spot on... And running angband is presumably a lot more pleasant than having to deal with nasal demons. 03:08:05 bhyde: right, but it also doesn't do anything to its body to turn references into dynamic binding lookups. 03:11:01 How does PROGV work then, it seems a bit inconsistent that with (defvar *y* 1) (progv '(*x* *y*) '(10 20) (print *y*) (print *x*)) the first print would work and the second print would fail. I'm missing something. 03:11:59 PROGV works in terms of binding symbols directly, rather than in terms of variables. 03:12:26 Perhaps its supposed to be used like: (progv '(*x* *y*) '(1 2) (locally (declare (special *x* *y*)) ...))? 03:13:31 Something like that, or with pre-existing special declarations, or direct use of SYMBOL-VALUE. 03:15:40 At any rate, using PROGV is rare these days. 03:16:08 -!- Aethaeryn [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Quit: ...] 03:16:22 i'll admit i'm having trouble remembering why progv is special :( 03:16:29 Aethaeryn [~Michael@c-69-243-41-48.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:16:56 -!- sellout-1 is now known as sellout 03:17:40 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@171.214.174.106] has left #lisp 03:17:40 it sets the symbol-value of all the vars to the values, and restores them when it unwinds; plus edge cases around unbound symbols.  i think that's the whole story 03:18:58 " If too few values are supplied, the remaining symbols are bound and then 03:18:58 made to have no value." is curious; what does it mean "bound" 03:19:11 it also works with an evaluated list of symbols, which you can't do with let 03:19:40 sure, but the bindings are into symbol-value, not lexical 03:19:42 There is a binding created, and then the binding is set to unbound, so access will cause UNBOUND-VARIABLE, but the old value will be restored on unwind. 03:20:18 And even that could be managed by a clever macro, so I'm going to go with "historical reasons" for why it's a special. 03:23:29 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:23:43 There's no requirement in PROGV for the symbols naming the variables to be declared special! 03:24:10 See the example section, it even assumes *x* is not globally special. 03:24:48 Note, however, that examples are not normative. 03:24:49 But then of course, #|*x* is not special|# (progv '(*x*) '(2) *x*) --> unbound variable error. 03:25:22 nyef_: progv is used these days for things like setting the default bindings of a thread 03:26:11 Hmph. I'd make sure that every symbol on the list has a TLS index, then smash up the TLS slots directly. Why waste the binding stack space? 03:26:24 It's not like it'll matter once the thread exits. 03:26:55 pnq [~nick@AC82F24D.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 03:26:56 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:27:43 In fact, I think that the last time I used PROGV was because it was the easiest way to make sure that a given symbol had a TLS index. 03:28:27 *bhyde* uses swank:*default-thread-bindings* 03:29:39 i could swear puzzled out why it was special in a previous life :( 03:30:54 It's a lot easier to implement if it's a special, especially if you have to deal with TLS allocation. 03:31:15 The former argument probably carried more weight than the latter during standardization, though. 03:31:20 ChibaPet [~ChibaPet@fsf/member/chibapet] has joined #lisp 03:31:50 -!- axion [~axion@66.231.120.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:32:07 oh, i know  sure you can simulate dynamic-binding (ala specials) using macros and unwind-protect etc. but you can't get any sort of efficient implementation for them. 03:32:27 ah, which is sort of what nyef_ just said :) 03:33:26 on that note, i'm going to bed. happy mothers day all 03:33:27 Chaos`Eternal [~chaos@58.39.100.212] has joined #lisp 03:33:29 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 03:35:10 -!- lifeng [~lifeng@61.190.85.176] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 03:37:26 Mmm. I need to get some sleep as well. 03:37:39 -!- nyef_ [~nyef@pool-64-222-174-41.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 03:37:46 -!- LiamH [~none@96.231.225.69] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:38:45 ryankara1on [~rak@cpe-76-189-227-224.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:39:12 -!- ryankarason [~rak@cpe-76-189-227-224.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:41:01 drmeister1 [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:41:23 -!- Aethaeryn is now known as Guest76241 03:41:23 -!- pnq is now known as Guest80 03:43:20 -!- Guest80 [~nick@AC82F24D.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Changing host] 03:43:20 Guest80 [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 03:49:17 -!- drmeister1 [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:49:55 LiamH [~none@96.231.225.69] has joined #lisp 03:50:04 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 03:50:25 drmeister1 [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:54:12 -!- Guest76241 is now known as aeth 03:54:31 -!- aeth [~Michael@c-69-243-41-48.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 03:54:32 aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #lisp 03:54:55 -!- drmeister1 [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:01:35 fg 04:01:39 -!- sausages [~sausages@balmora.robotjunkyard.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:04:07 -!- LiamH [~none@96.231.225.69] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:04:08 No, I refuse. =goes back to background= 04:06:41 -!- Bike [~Glossina@75-164-174-146.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:08:32 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:10:43 -!- kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:10:52 Saturn_ [~rose@113.14.43.181] has joined #lisp 04:12:02 rose__ [~rose@113.14.43.181] has joined #lisp 04:12:03 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 04:12:16 -!- rose__ [~rose@113.14.43.181] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:13:52 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 04:16:13 patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 04:16:41 b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@46.36.172.132] has joined #lisp 04:17:47 -!- honkfestival [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 04:19:08 Bike_ [~Glossina@75-164-174-146.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 04:19:29 breakds [~breakds@ppp-70-226-167-124.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 04:20:26 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:21:20 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:22:38 -!- setmeaway2 [setmeaway3@119.201.52.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:23:02 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-77.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:26:02 cdidd [~cdidd@93-80-183-159.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 04:27:18 -!- ryankara1on [~rak@cpe-76-189-227-224.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:27:40 ryankarason [~rak@cpe-76-189-227-224.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:28:50 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:31:01 wchun [~wchun@81-232-46-25-no38.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 04:31:48 honkfestival [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 04:32:03 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 04:32:17 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@122.174.43.18] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:32:24 sliptstream [~cbosh@168-103-136-82.bois.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 04:32:47 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:35:48 -!- kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has quit [] 04:37:11 -!- honkfestival [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 04:37:19 -!- sellout- is now known as sellout 04:39:01 Hi all, has anyone here got experience with DRAKMA? 04:39:05 I found (drakma:http-request) failed at request on "https://news.ycombinator.com/" 04:39:31 -!- miql [~miql@ip72-201-117-173.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:39:45 throwing a condition on call to (chunga:chunked-io-stream) 04:40:15 The condition is called chunga:input-chunking-body-corrupted 04:40:48 I was simply calling (drakma:http-request "https://news.ycombinator.com") 04:41:53 Any idea on solving this problem? Thanks! 04:42:02 works here. does it happen every time? 04:42:59 yes. It works on every request I tried, execpt for this 04:43:08 which is what I am interested in. 04:43:20 I got drakma from quicklisp 04:43:21 I mean, every time you try ycombinator. 04:43:27 yes 04:43:41 the error message says 04:43:46 Chunked stream # seems to be corrupted. 04:43:47 Read character #\>, but expected #\Return. 04:44:34 -!- Chaos`Eternal [~chaos@58.39.100.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:50:42 Hi Bike_, did you get drakma from quicklisp as well? 04:51:05 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:51:20 I did. 04:53:08 strange .. I just tried and it works on my laptop. 04:56:42 <_death> did you make sure it's the most updated release 04:56:49 -!- _death is now known as adeht 04:57:22 zRecursive [~czsq888@171.214.174.106] has joined #lisp 04:58:17 I just checked. The working version is drakma-1.2.9, and the not-working version is drakma-1.3.0 04:58:46 Mine's 1.3.2. 05:00:21 wuyun [~wuyun@61.173.99.66] has joined #lisp 05:00:49 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@171.214.174.106] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01:02 -!- wchun [~wchun@81-232-46-25-no38.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:01:04 I guess I just need to do quicklisp:update-all-dists. I was thinking it would be done automatically ... 05:01:20 wchun [~wchun@81-232-46-25-no38.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 05:01:21 Thank you for your help, Bike_ and adeht! 05:01:31 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 05:02:28 peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-77.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 05:07:23 -!- impulse- [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1177937649.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:07:44 impulse [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1177937649.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 05:09:45 -!- breakds [~breakds@ppp-70-226-167-124.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 05:10:07 -!- robot-be` is now known as robot-beethoven 05:10:20 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 05:10:44 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:13:40 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:14:00 -!- Guest80 is now known as pnq 05:21:07 sausages [~sausages@balmora.robotjunkyard.org] has joined #lisp 05:21:42 zRecursive [~czsq888@171.214.174.106] has joined #lisp 05:27:04 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 05:31:53 -!- wuyun [~wuyun@61.173.99.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:32:14 pnpuff [~C6248@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 05:32:45 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-173-135.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 05:33:39 miql [~miql@ip72-201-117-173.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 05:37:35 -!- aoh_ is now known as aoh 05:38:27 -!- aoh [~aki@adsl-99-115.netplaza.fi] has quit [Changing host] 05:38:27 aoh [~aki@unaffiliated/aoh] has joined #lisp 05:42:15 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 05:45:04 wuyun [~wuyun@50.2.64.61] has joined #lisp 05:48:48 pnpuff_ [~C6248@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 05:50:03 d11wtq [~chris@124-148-163-108.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 05:51:48 -!- pnpuff [~C6248@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:53:55 Strigoides [~owen@114-134-0-102.lightwire.co.nz] has joined #lisp 05:57:50 Vicfred [~anon@187.206.26.225] has joined #lisp 05:58:41 -!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has left #lisp 06:00:13 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.198.219] has joined #lisp 06:03:07 -!- Vicfred [~anon@187.206.26.225] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:06:26 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 06:06:40 -!- erikc [~erikc@CPE00222d53fe78-CM00222d53fe75.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: erikc] 06:10:48 -!- banjiewen [banjiewen@gateway/shell/cloudant/x-rfuutxtxvwimccdh] has quit [Quit: --] 06:10:49 mestrerocco [~mestreroc@201-26-108-146.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #lisp 06:10:58 -!- satshabad [~satshabad@pool-173-58-100-240.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:10:59 Vicfred [~anon@187.206.26.225] has joined #lisp 06:11:22 -!- Vicfred [~anon@187.206.26.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:11:38 -!- Watcher7 [~w@silly.tabby.cat] has left #lisp 06:13:56 pnpuff [~C6248@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 06:15:48 -!- wuyun [~wuyun@50.2.64.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:16:29 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:17:00 -!- pnpuff_ [~C6248@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:20:36 -!- pnpuff [~C6248@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:21:55 -!- Strigoides [~owen@114-134-0-102.lightwire.co.nz] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:26:05 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:27:21 agumonkey [~agu@101.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 06:28:02 pnpuff [~C6248@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 06:30:25 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 06:32:48 wuyun [~wuyun@61.173.99.66] has joined #lisp 06:40:53 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:44:04 Is there a way to modify .stumpwmrc merging/keeping the conficuration settings contained in .Xresources? 06:44:16 *configuration 06:44:21 -!- mestrerocco [~mestreroc@201-26-108-146.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:47:32 -!- miql [~miql@ip72-201-117-173.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:49:57 Hydan [~hydan@ip-89-103-110-5.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 06:50:42 i don't think stumpwm even uses xresources? also that's more of a #stumpwm than a #lisp question 06:54:59 Bike:ok, I was wrong... maybe I need to start a terminal with an option like (run-or-raise "xterm -name xterm1 -e 'sleep 0.3s && transset 0.8'" '(:instance "xterm1") ... to enable transparency. I do not know. 06:55:39 Bike: I'm reading this simple tutorial: http://www.xsteve.at/prg/stumpwm/ 06:56:31 that doesn't say anything about xresources... well, maybe throw (run-shell-command "xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults") into your stumpwmrc, if it's not in your xinitrc for some reason 06:57:42 przl [~przlrkt@p5B298F44.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 07:00:01 Bike: no. I ususlly run xrdb ./Xresources manually if and only if I modify .Xresources file, there is no need to put that command in .xinitrcn 07:01:10 sorry for th type errors... anyway thanks for the suggestion! 07:01:39 *the 07:02:21 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:05:20 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@2602:306:3686:aac0:4472:866d:b2d6:c29c] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:07:17 -!- 6JTAAJHK0 is now known as ASau 07:10:58 bitonic` [~user@176.27.229.121] has joined #lisp 07:14:29 -!- kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has quit [] 07:15:18 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 07:17:07 -!- My_Hearing is now known as Mon_Ouie 07:18:24 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 07:23:44 Krystof [~user@81.174.155.115] has joined #lisp 07:24:11 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 07:24:18 _d3f [~gnu@ip-static-94-242-252-66.as5577.net] has joined #lisp 07:24:59 -!- MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-108-38-175-139.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 07:26:52 lichtblau [~user@port-212-202-134-139.static.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 07:26:56 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has quit [Quit: normanrichards] 07:28:07 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-173-135.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:29:48 -!- nug700 [~nug700@184-98-125-31.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 07:31:51 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-231-211.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 07:32:12 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:32:54 -!- Kabaka [kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:33:34 -!- bitonic` [~user@176.27.229.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:33:58 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.8.95] has joined #lisp 07:33:58 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.8.95] has quit [Changing host] 07:33:58 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 07:36:58 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B298F44.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:37:20 Kabaka [kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #lisp 07:39:59 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f754357.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 07:43:42 Aiwass [~user@unaffiliated/aiwass] has joined #lisp 07:44:42 przl [~przlrkt@p5B298F44.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 07:51:46 Now I have in .stumpwrc these lines: http://paste.lisp.org/display/137120 ... and all goes fine. There is any other suggestion? 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It seems quite easy to do everything (some of them practically impossible in c++ implementation) except one thing. knowing the length of an array at compile time. What kind of materials should i read to implement a simple static type system in CL? *cheers 10:29:21 -!- francogrex [~user@91.182.167.200] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 10:30:41 teggi [~teggi@113.173.18.21] has joined #lisp 10:30:49 jaaso [~user@109.175.27.246] has joined #lisp 10:30:49 -!- jaaso [~user@109.175.27.246] has quit [Client Quit] 10:32:11 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:32:30 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-142-240.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:35:41 AeroNotix [~xeno@abok181.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 10:35:42 is ql:system-apropos same as ql-dist:system-apropos? 10:36:41 theos: ask your lisp: (eq 'ql:system-apropos 'ql-dist:system-apropos) 10:41:27 H4ns my lisp doesnt have ql:system-apropos. it has the other one 10:41:36 nan-: I do not know if this is what you want, anyway take a look at: ftp://ftp.cs.utexas.edu/pub/boyer/diss/akers.pdf 10:42:53 H4ns it says T :D 10:43:08 theos: so they're the same 10:43:16 H4ns thanks :) 10:44:00 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:45:51 -!- bitonic` [~user@176.27.229.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:48:37 pnpuff: that is on my list but thanks! 10:50:44 -!- ozonoscopic76 [~ozonoscop@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ozonoscopic76] 10:51:27 cerebromedullary [~cerebrome@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:58:26 Thra11_ [~Thra11@87.112.165.129] has joined #lisp 11:05:29 -!- spacefrogg^ [~spacefrog@141.76.92.5] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:06:10 -!- Nosceteipsum [~Nosceteip@e183232214.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:06:15 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.42] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:06:44 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.42] has joined #lisp 11:08:36 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 11:11:46 spacefrogg^ [~spacefrog@141.76.92.5] has joined #lisp 11:12:11 Nosceteipsum [~Nosceteip@e183232214.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 11:12:48 -!- Tanami [~carnage@150.101.97.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:16:15 nan-: sorry for the delay, anyway meybe this is a good reading: http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/accession/102719178 11:17:19 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B298F44.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:27:53 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #lisp 11:30:47 miql [~miql@ip72-201-117-173.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 11:31:40 pnpuff: that looks nice (if i can find a working link :) and code to akers.pdf also dead. lets see if i could find them somehow 11:31:43 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.154.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:37:25 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 11:40:36 -!- Thra11_ [~Thra11@87.112.165.129] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 11:41:05 Thra11 [~Thra11@87.112.165.129] has joined #lisp 11:43:13 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-188-153.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 11:43:14 pnpuff_ [~C6248@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 11:43:15 -!- theos is now known as Guest72056 11:43:42 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 11:46:10 -!- Guest72056 [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:46:24 -!- pnpuff [~C6248@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:47:21 nan-: this link is working: http://cseweb.ucsd.edu/classes/sp05/cse130/lecture_notes/types_student.txt ... :) 11:47:28 -!- pnpuff_ is now known as pnpuff 11:48:02 what kind of array of variable length are you using? 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It does have sb-posix:stat, but it seems like the blkcnt_t is not implemented because it's not portable/POSIX. Should I just rely on parsing "ls -ls" output? 16:22:42 -!- gmcastil [~user@207-224-44-98.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:22:56 Surely number of blocks is filesystem dependent anyway... and wouldn't be even remotely reliable for a network filesystem? 16:23:18 Yeah, that too 16:23:22 honkfestival [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 16:23:24 Or are you looking for a specific size of block, in which case couldn't you calculate it from the file size, straight up? 16:24:32 I'm basically trying to test if a file is sparse or not, and from my (limited) understanding, coparing the reported size of file to the 512B*blkcnt_t would tell me if it's sparse or not (if there is a large discrepancy between those numbers). 16:24:36 the number of blocks used isn't necessarily related to file size, what with sparse files 16:24:46 joshe: Exactly :) 16:25:15 -!- ASau [~user@p4FF972AF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:25:19 or maybe even with fancy futuristic CoW-type filesytems 16:25:19 -!- davazp [~user@178.167.168.15.threembb.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:26:01 Okay, fair enough. 16:26:09 I'll just wish you luck, then. (-: 16:26:17 Thanks :D 16:27:22 you could, of course, use sb-alien or cffi and write your own stat() binding 16:27:25 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-121.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:28:29 That might be fun... Will see if I can figure it out. Thanks! :) 16:28:32 ASau [~user@p4FF972AF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 16:28:56 you'd want to grovel struct stat with sb-grovel or cffi-grovel if you're interested in portability 16:29:26 -!- 21WAAKURR is now known as igorw 16:29:29 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-121.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:29:35 -!- bitonic` is now known as bitonic 16:29:38 -!- igorw [~igorw@176.58.127.253] has quit [Changing host] 16:29:38 igorw [~igorw@unaffiliated/igorw] has joined #lisp 16:30:43 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:34:30 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:34:58 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 16:35:49 -!- miql [~miql@72.201.117.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:36:26 nha [~prefect@koln-5d816533.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 16:38:31 miql [~miql@ip72-201-117-173.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:40:02 erikc [~erikc@CPE00222d53fe78-CM00222d53fe75.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 16:41:16 -!- wuyun [~wuyun@50.2.64.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:43:11 -!- ryankara1on is now known as ryankarason 16:46:08 -!- honkfestival [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:46:42 honkfestival [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 16:47:04 -!- Nosceteipsum [~Nosceteip@d122155.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:47:27 Nosceteipsum [~Nosceteip@e177254220.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 16:49:50 whist [~whist@c-98-232-204-76.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:50:11 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-121.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:50:46 -!- arrk13 [~arrakis24@dslb-178-006-216-162.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #lisp 16:51:58 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-121.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:54:14 wuyun [~wuyun@61.173.99.66] has joined #lisp 16:57:18 -!- honkfestival [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:57:39 satshabad [~satshabad@pool-173-58-100-240.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:57:40 -!- wuyun [~wuyun@61.173.99.66] has quit [Client Quit] 17:00:56 sellout-1 [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:01:16 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:02:56 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:03:39 i just updated quicklisp client and after restarting emacs, i get error when i turn on slime. error while compiling /path-to/swank-sbcl.lisp COMPILE-FILE returned NIL. is that because of the update? 17:04:12 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 17:05:37 keppy [~Luca@c-67-183-147-48.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:08:08 i think its a bug and fix has been released for windows. i on linux :D https://bugs.launchpad.net/slime/+bug/627968 17:08:39 -!- Subfusc_ is now known as Subfusc 17:11:10 and stassats just pinged out. he was the one who released the fix :/ 17:12:42 honkfestival [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 17:13:28 maxm [~user@unaffiliated/maxm] has joined #lisp 17:13:37 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:13:37 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-121.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:14:25 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 17:15:30 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-121.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:17:25 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:18:18 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:18:51 samskulls [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 17:20:58 rking1 [~rking@unaffiliated/rking] has joined #lisp 17:21:36 -!- ryankarason is now known as rk[detached] 17:23:30 nug700 [~nug700@184-98-125-31.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:25:36 -!- Thra11 [~Thra11@87.112.165.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:26:16 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@2602:306:3686:aac0:8928:5a5e:1730:7bf4] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:26:26 looks like an old bug. donno how i installed it the first time successfully 17:29:14 natechan [~natechan@c-71-56-124-186.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:30:00 cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.25.200] has joined #lisp 17:32:06 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-121.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:33:30 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 17:33:59 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-121.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:34:42 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:34:57 nug700_ [~nug700@184-98-124-129.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:36:42 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 17:36:47 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 17:38:04 -!- nug700 [~nug700@184-98-125-31.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:38:53 Thra11 [~Thra11@146.90.34.94] has joined #lisp 17:39:10 nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@cpe-24-25-143-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:40:49 Is there a simple way to print colored characters using format or print? I tried using ANSI escape codes, but had no luck. 17:41:17 depends on the terminal 17:41:32 Bike: which have you had success with? 17:44:45 is there any existing package, from which I can lift code for copying .el file to ~/quicklisp, and giving user a message to add it to ~/.emacs 17:44:58 -!- nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@cpe-24-25-143-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:45:07 I assume thats the right way to include Elisp support to asdf system? 17:45:14 dnolen [~user@cpe-72-225-195-108.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:45:53 luzie [~lucy@229.134.202.84.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 17:46:00 -!- Saturn_ [~rose@113.14.43.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:47:18 pierpa [~user@95.236.59.155] has joined #lisp 17:48:00 -!- luzie [~lucy@229.134.202.84.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: luzie] 17:48:56 luzie [~lucy@229.134.202.84.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 17:49:13 -!- natechan [~natechan@c-71-56-124-186.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 17:49:27 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.42] has joined #lisp 17:49:38 ok seems clhs system does something similar 17:55:04 davexunit [~user@pool-71-126-58-65.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:56:24 przl [~przlrkt@p5B298F44.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:02:58 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-72-225-195-108.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:04:46 przl_ [~przlrkt@p5B298F44.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:04:56 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B298F44.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:05:23 arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 18:06:41 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-121.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:07:24 agumonkey [~agu@126.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 18:08:35 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@a85-138-197-134.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:08:44 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-121.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:15:11 davazp [~user@178.167.150.166.threembb.ie] has joined #lisp 18:16:37 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abok181.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:16:56 nahiluhmot: (format t "~C[47m~C[31mHello in Red" #\Escape #\Escape) works for me in gnome-terminal with sbcl --script file.lisp, where file.lisp contain that form. 18:18:40 AeroNotix [~xeno@abnz239.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 18:18:51 -!- arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:19:47 -!- agumonkey [~agu@126.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:21:14 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 18:22:54 pawel [~user@c-68-63-164-229.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:24:46 agumonkey [~agu@126.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 18:27:13 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:28:07 -!- toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:28:49 there's https://github.com/pnathan/cl-ansi-text, too 18:32:35 -!- kyl_ is now known as kyl 18:34:06 -!- davazp [~user@178.167.150.166.threembb.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:34:24 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 18:34:33 maxm- [~user@unaffiliated/maxm] has joined #lisp 18:34:35 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 18:35:17 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-121.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:35:54 http://paste.lisp.org/display/137125 18:36:25 have a simple implementation using ~/ directive 18:36:26 -!- prip [~foo@host92-135-dynamic.53-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:36:43 -!- maxm [~user@unaffiliated/maxm] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:37:07 prip [~foo@host120-128-dynamic.33-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:37:18 -!- pjb [~t@AMontsouris-651-1-105-114.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:37:22 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-121.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:40:03 madalu [~user@unaffiliated/madalu] has joined #lisp 18:40:30 looks terrible to me 18:40:57 I see it in the let form 18:40:57 why not define a few functions color:red, color:green etc and export them from a package? 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or just forget it and stick with debug-io 19:38:13 19:38:46 DoctorDude [~Jake@unaffiliated/doctordude] has joined #lisp 19:39:19 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 19:43:18 maxm-: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/clm/node183.html (maybe *terminal-io* but I do not know very well...) 19:43:31 yea I think will switch to terminal-io.. 19:44:03 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 19:44:04 -!- aw [~aw@unaffiliated/aw] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 19:44:36 -!- fantazo_ [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:45:06 maxm-: sorry, looks like The value of *debug-io* is a stream to be used for interactive debugging purposes... so I was wrong 19:45:25 aw|rattl1 [~aw@unaffiliated/aw] has joined #lisp 19:45:29 well old way of "interactive" meant reading and writing 19:45:37 -!- aw|rattl1 is now known as aw 19:45:52 logging really does not do any reading.. So its just extra level of indirection, because usually its bidirectional slime stream anyway 19:46:09 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-136-88-141.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:46:47 pnpuff_ [~C6248@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 19:48:24 -!- bitonic [~user@5.69.215.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:48:39 maybe trace-output.. as it's used not just by trace but for example by time 19:50:00 -!- pnpuff [~C6248@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:50:19 -!- pnpuff_ is now known as pnpuff 19:51:04 bitonic [~user@5.69.215.95] has joined #lisp 19:53:57 youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 19:54:25 ah joy http://i.imgur.com/6dhUUF2.png .. Have to do this coz I'm trying pretty hard for defaults not to create duplicate output 19:54:29 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-90-5.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 19:55:05 natechan [~natechan@c-71-56-124-186.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:55:13 have special appender that does "log to my stream, only if global console is not current".. So current thread logs to REPL, and other threads log to both their own *DEBUG-IO* binding, and to repl 19:57:03 Hey, any SLIME developers about? 19:59:30 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: normanrichards] 20:02:45 -!- przl_ [~przlrkt@p5B298F44.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:03:24 davazp` [~user@92.251.208.99.threembb.ie] has joined #lisp 20:03:48 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:04:43 _malicious [~none@pool-71-99-49-190.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:05:36 -!- natechan is now known as mikeyward 20:05:58 -!- eldariof [~CLD@188.168.242.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:05:59 -!- mikeyward is now known as natechan 20:06:22 axion_ [~axion@lngdnd-ai02-74-214-211-129.utma.com] has joined #lisp 20:08:19 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:08:37 -!- DoctorDude [~Jake@unaffiliated/doctordude] has 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earlier version? 23:02:37 miql [~miql@ip72-201-117-173.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 23:07:01 -!- talas [~talas@136.144.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:07:41 -!- miql [~miql@ip72-201-117-173.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:09:39 -!- bitonic [~user@176.27.229.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:11:24 bitonic [~user@176.27.229.121] has joined #lisp 23:14:19 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:14:36 i've seen it before but couldn't guess where to find it. 23:16:00 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #lisp 23:19:44 That's where google shows its limits. 23:19:53 it's the ballad of something or other 23:20:22 http://www.ai.sri.com/~delacaze/alu-site/alu/humor/large-programs.html 23:20:48 Yes that's it. Thank you very much! 23:21:08 I live to serve 23:21:41 -!- bitonic [~user@176.27.229.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:22:06 Xach, has anyone ever suggested a patch for system-apropos? 23:22:45 And would you accept one that completely changes what it prints out? 23:24:00 Quadrescence: It depends on whether I think it is an improvement or not. 23:24:20 Xach, okay :) 23:24:25 -!- z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:24:34 z0d [~z0d@q.notresp.com] has joined #lisp 23:24:34 -!- z0d [~z0d@q.notresp.com] has quit [Changing host] 23:24:34 z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has joined #lisp 23:25:11 It's not something with which I'm particularly displeased, so it would take some selling to make a change. 23:26:08 what would the new one do, quadresence? 23:27:47 the same thing except look less like unreadable (in the lisp-sense) output 23:28:18 but... is still unreadable...? 23:28:21 do something useful like show more information 23:29:00 since i am assuming people use apropos more as a discovery tool than a "well i forgot the name of this system" tool 23:31:11 nicdev [user@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:4986] has joined #lisp 23:31:16 Well I'll whip something up and we'll see how close I get to a "you win!" form Xach 23:33:01 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@120.159.214.84] has joined #lisp 23:34:20 but maybe this will be more difficult than I thought since there isn't necessarily a 1-to-1 mapping between ql systems and asdf systems 23:34:31 Strigoides [~owen@114-134-0-47.lightwire.co.nz] has joined #lisp 23:37:50 arrsim [~user@mail.fitness2live.com.au] has joined #lisp 23:45:26 -!- d11wtq_ [~chris@124-148-163-108.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:48:17 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Quit: o7] 23:49:05 -!- zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:49:35 -!- Euthy [~euthy@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:50:00 ASau` [~user@p5797F7E8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 23:51:09 -!- luzie [~lucy@229.134.202.84.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: luzie] 23:52:17 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@120.159.214.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:52:37 Quadrescence: when I use system-apropos, it's because I know a substring of the system I want to quickload but not the exact name. 23:52:54 I do not think there is enough info provided with Quicklisp to provide a discovery tool yet. 23:52:56 -!- rk[detached] is now known as ryankarason 23:53:11 Xach, oh, well I think that's because you manage all the systems so you kind of know what's there :) 23:53:12 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@120.159.214.84] has joined #lisp 23:53:37 and yes, upon reading the code more, i agree, since there's no way (yet) to poke at ASDF systems 23:53:46 -!- ASau [~user@p4FF972AF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:54:31 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 23:54:41 I'd love to have some better discovery, but I think it would require either a centralized service that is queried or a project that is just a set of discoverability databases. 23:55:01 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.161.133.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:55:18 ok am I an idiot, or there is no way to make pathname absolute with CL (without using FAD or such?) 23:55:37 without walking the pathname-directory and following :up :up or such 23:56:02 actually more of canonical, its already absolute but contains ../../ then back up 23:56:14 Xach, i was thinking of writing something to build a map between a ql-dist:system and [an] asdf:system(s) 23:56:40 -!- _malicious [~none@pool-71-99-49-190.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 23:57:45 ah doh, truename