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i cannt visit http://ecls.sourceforge.net/ now 01:14:34 jcazeved_ [~jcazevedo@bl18-80-238.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 01:14:59 nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-221-115.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 01:15:21 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-72-225-195-108.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:16:31 gendl_ [~gendl@ip-64-134-167-118.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 01:16:53 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl18-118-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:20:42 Can i make a conclusion that ECL is NOT ANSI compatible as it cannot run stumpwm normally ? 01:20:45 nialo [nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 01:21:24 Fullma [~fullma@ram94-2-82-66-69-246.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 01:21:51 *|3b|* doesn't recall stumpwm being mentioned in the ansi spec 01:22:51 <|3b|> and considering neither networking nor talking to C libraries are in the spec either, stumpwm probably has requirements beyond the spec 01:23:14 SBCL, CLISP and CCL all can run stumpwm smoothly. Only ECL canot do it 01:23:29 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.161.133.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:23:34 stumpwm doesn't talk to c libraries, but it uses clx, which has tons of nonstandard stuff 01:24:04 I think for ECL stumpwm you need ecl's clx. 01:24:32 ECL can build the newest stumpwm but the created image cannot run ! 01:24:52 gendl__ [~gendl@mobile-198-228-232-202.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 01:25:00 <|3b|> creating images isn't in the spec either 01:25:55 -!- gendl__ [~gendl@mobile-198-228-232-202.mycingular.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:26:03 By googling, there are many problems using ECL to build stumpwm 01:26:14 not only clx 01:26:37 -!- gendl_ [~gendl@ip-64-134-167-118.public.wayport.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:26:48 zacts`` [~user@c-174-50-84-161.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:26:51 so i suspect ECL is weird ! 01:27:03 ok. 01:28:13 <|3b|> or stumpwm just isn't ported for ecl, or depends on specifics of some old version, or has a bug, or ecl has a bug 01:28:18 -!- zacts` [~user@c-174-50-84-161.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:29:32 stumpwm declares it supports ECL. But i have not heard anybody uses ecl built stumpwm 01:29:34 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host121.186-125-147.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:31:18 -!- Thra11 [~Thra11@87.115.32.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:33:03 -!- tsuru``` [~charlie@adsl-98-87-47-177.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:33:54 tsuru``` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-28-37.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 01:35:01 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:35:29 *pjb* suspects zRecursive should contribute to ECL to make it able to run stumpwm. 01:38:56 d11wtq [~chris@59.167.38.137] has joined #lisp 01:43:26 jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has joined #lisp 01:45:49 k0001 [~k0001@host121.186-125-147.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 01:50:46 pjb: i wish i could. 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Check http://cliki.net/ 04:49:16 DataLinkDroid, http://letoverlambda.com/lol.lisp 04:49:27 pjb: thanks 04:50:12 Quadrescence: okay. 04:51:19 i'm prepared to roll my own, if necessary. but best to check what has been done already. 04:51:24 anything in quicklisp? 04:51:32 *DataLinkDroid* checking cliki.net 04:55:08 gmcastil [~user@207-224-44-98.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 04:55:24 in LOL chap 4 (currently reading it) there are some handy macros over CL-PPCRE, although these have been left with some room for improvement, by the looks (haven't got to the end of the chapter as yet) 04:57:47 -!- nialo [nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:58:01 nialo [nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 04:58:12 -!- jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has quit [Quit: good night everyone] 05:00:30 -!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-158-45-47.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Blueblaze] 05:06:03 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:06:09 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 05:07:02 Tanami [~carnage@9ch.in] has joined #lisp 05:08:20 Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-158-45-47.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:08:55 the lol.lisp production code contains the suggested enhancement to support regular expression modifiers for matches, which is good. 05:09:37 -!- Guthur [~user@eth2845.sa.adsl.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:10:47 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 05:12:58 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.198.219] has joined #lisp 05:18:19 -!- nialo [nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:18:59 -!- gmcastil [~user@207-224-44-98.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:19:01 nialo [nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 05:21:40 zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #lisp 05:22:21 jute [~Thunderbi@31.212.107.98] has joined #lisp 05:24:06 -!- jute [~Thunderbi@31.212.107.98] has quit [Client Quit] 05:24:53 roadt_ [~roadt@114.96.135.50] has joined #lisp 05:27:22 gmcastil [~user@207-224-44-98.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 05:27:33 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 05:27:38 -!- roadt [~roadt@114.96.135.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:27:53 weie_ [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 05:29:24 -!- weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:30:37 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host79.190-229-167.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:31:48 Aiwass [~user@unaffiliated/aiwass] has joined #lisp 05:33:06 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 05:34:44 DataLinkD2 [~DataLinkD@1.144.249.132] has joined #lisp 05:36:40 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 05:36:52 gvz [~garvezys@78-60-33-10.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 05:37:07 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.147.245.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:37:12 -!- DataLinkD2 is now known as DataLinkDroid 05:38:57 -!- gvz [~garvezys@78-60-33-10.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Client Quit] 05:39:20 gvz [~garvezys@78-60-33-10.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 05:39:42 -!- gvz [~garvezys@78-60-33-10.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Client Quit] 05:40:40 -!- Aiwass [~user@unaffiliated/aiwass] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 05:41:27 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 05:41:36 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ejohnson] 05:42:38 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.160.222.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:43:22 -!- erikc [~erikc@CPE00222d53fe78-CM00222d53fe75.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: erikc] 05:44:08 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:44:39 Aiwass [~user@unaffiliated/aiwass] has joined #lisp 05:45:56 -!- nialo [nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:46:35 nialo [nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 05:47:19 Chaos`Eternal [~chaos@116.238.217.136] has joined #lisp 05:51:21 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 05:51:22 -!- Aiwass [~user@unaffiliated/aiwass] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:51:34 Aiwass [~user@unaffiliated/aiwass] has joined #lisp 05:53:24 nostoi [~nostoi@74.Red-79-154-23.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 05:54:12 Gooder [~user@192.200.155.41] has joined #lisp 05:56:19 fenton [~fenton@m121-202-132-142.smartone.com] has joined #lisp 05:59:00 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 05:59:21 I'm new to list, and using List in a Box. The tutorial (http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book) says the to us the emacs keyboard combonation "Ctrl-c Ctrl-c" to compile the program, but i get "C-c C-c is undefined". 05:59:46 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:00:44 if i define a function (with defun) inside a let, is it available outside the let? 06:00:53 Strigoides [~owen@114-134-0-43.lightwire.co.nz] has joined #lisp 06:00:59 nug700_: you can type: C-h k, then type C-c C-c and it will tell you what C-c C-c is bound to. 06:01:06 fenton: use flet or labels to define local functions. 06:01:26 fenton: defun always defines global functions. 06:01:27 nug700_: but maybe the #emacs chat room is a better place for emacs questions... 06:02:00 nug700_: is slime on? 06:02:12 how would i check? 06:02:31 um... what modes are listed in C-h m 06:02:38 -!- Aiwass [~user@unaffiliated/aiwass] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:02:50 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 06:03:08 <|3b|> nug700_: did you name your file with .lisp extension? 06:03:09 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 06:03:23 i use .cl 06:03:31 <|3b|> try .lisp 06:03:33 ok 06:04:21 <|3b|> if that works, you can probably configure emacs to recognize .cl, but using .lisp would be easier and is more common from what i've seen (and doesn't get confused with opencl code) 06:04:21 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-172-148.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 06:04:38 now things seem to be working properly 06:05:49 The tutorial had .cl listed as a valid extention. 06:06:11 -!- fenton [~fenton@m121-202-132-142.smartone.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:06:13 -!- ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:06:53 fenton [~fenton@m121-202-132-142.smartone.com] has joined #lisp 06:07:35 -!- 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give it an absolute path or a path relative to *default-pathname-defaults* 06:27:10 <|3b|> (possibly setting *default-pathname-defaults* to something that makes those relative paths more convenient first) 06:28:00 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 06:28:02 Harag [~Thunderbi@41-135-197-102.dsl.mweb.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:28:28 <|3b|> in emacs/slime, C-c ~ might be an easy way to set it to something useful, it sets it to the directory of the current buffer 06:29:38 bitonic [~user@176.27.229.121] has joined #lisp 06:29:47 kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 06:29:53 -!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-158-45-47.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Blueblaze] 06:32:22 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:33:23 well the debugger is not being brought up anymore, but I get "#P"c:/Program Files (x86)/lispbox-0.7/projects/test.lisp" when trying to load the file. 06:34:28 Bike_ [~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net] has 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want, thats why I'm looking for a good recommendation. 07:09:11 *|3b|* would say 'whatever cl-irc uses' in that case 07:09:25 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 07:09:35 do you know what cl-irc uses? 07:09:45 <|3b|> at least assuming cl-irc does whateer irc stuff you want to do 07:09:48 <|3b|> *whatever 07:11:07 <|3b|> for a client or small server either would probably work, for a larger server i'd probably use iolib 07:11:51 -!- zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 07:13:00 oh, no, I just want to mess around reimplementing parts of the protocol. cl-irc seems to use usocket, so I've made my choice now. 07:13:09 but why would iolib be better from a server POV? 07:13:27 -!- gmcastil [~user@207-224-44-98.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:13:31 i never heard about iolib, what is the difference to usocket? 07:13:35 zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #lisp 07:13:44 <|3b|> better support for async/non-blocking stuff, so you don't need a thread for each client 07:14:02 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 07:14:26 <|3b|> usocket is a relatively thin layer over whatever networking support is provided by the implementation, so probably works on any platform supported by the implementations it works on (which is most of them) 07:14:45 -!- syamajala [~syamajala@dyn-160-39-197-52.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:15:13 <|3b|> iolib does FFI to OS networking libs, so doesn't work on as many platforms but tends to support more of the features of the OS networking stack 07:15:37 <|3b|> (and it also does some things other than networking if i remember right, though i haven't looked at that part as much) 07:15:55 -!- fenton [~fenton@m121-202-132-142.smartone.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:17:00 okay, I dont think i need more than some basic functionality, so thanks. 07:19:52 nha [~prefect@koln-5d815982.pool.mediaWays.net] has 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-!- davazp [~user@178.167.188.143.threembb.ie] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:09:13 setmeaway [setmeaway@119.201.52.138] has joined #lisp 10:10:09 -!- stardiviner [~quassel@122.236.249.252] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 10:10:31 wuyun [~wuyun@50.2.64.61] has joined #lisp 10:11:59 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-231-211.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 10:13:17 stardiviner_ [~quassel@122.236.249.252] has joined #lisp 10:13:41 There is so much irony in WJ's post on this thread it hurts. https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/comp.lang.lisp/8cVmMzi3d44 10:14:56 loke_: why should that concern #lisp? 10:15:19 stassats`: Right. 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you can answer your safety question. 12:23:14 Portability, rather. 12:25:24 *maxm-* is a boy among men. 12:25:49 maxm-: why is it built-in-class in the typecase? 12:26:21 pnpuff [~name@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 12:26:59 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@178.89.134.55] has joined #lisp 12:26:59 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@178.89.134.55] has quit [Changing host] 12:26:59 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 12:27:07 KDr2 [~KDr2@114.243.226.34] has joined #lisp 12:27:48 stassats`: well actually yea should be just class.. To answer your question, I don't often delve deep into metaobjects and all that things, so its easier to confirm stuff on #lisp, coz I find it easy to miss stuff in CLHS, and don't have it memorized 12:28:30 anyway problem solved, thanks :-) 12:28:50 what do you do with eql specializers? 12:29:08 they are supported for constant ones 12:29:11 dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-32-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:31:11 -!- kobain is now known as sambio 12:31:11 -!- sambio [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Quit: l'unica verità.. è la morte stessa!] 12:31:26 sambio [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 12:31:28 -!- no1 [~user@109.175.27.246] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:31:35 -!- sambio [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Excess Flood] 12:32:04 its just jumping to source not working on CCL for me 12:33:01 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:33:48 is there a common (root?) type for the instances of a built-in-class? 12:34:15 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-172-148.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:34:23 t 12:34:23 if only there was some document explaining such things 12:34:33 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-172-148.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 12:34:45 -!- syamajala [~syamajala@dyn-160-39-197-52.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:35:04 hehe, I'm reading it, but some questions are popping up which are not in the flow of my reading and my repl experiments are not providing answers 12:35:15 Is here A. Kaygun? 12:35:18 it's more like blind guesses than experiments really 12:35:45 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 12:36:06 Xach: well its kind of hard to answer questions like mine reliably. The answer I found is in "Introduction to Classes" part, not in the class-name description 12:37:13 maxm-: I don't think so. You look at CLASS-NAME and see it's specialized for CLASS. You look at BUILT-IN-CLASS and see it is a subclass of CLASS. Where does the problem arise? 12:37:18 for some reason the sentence that "you can't access slots of built-in-classes" got me on a wrong track, I was just inspecting what swank returned, and NAME was a slot, so brain was "hey NAME is a slot, it says can't access, class-name works, but could it be only on CCL?" 12:38:33 I can agree that it takes time to know what the information presented there means, but I don't think it's all that hard. 12:38:41 Or unreliable. 12:38:59 *maxm-* sees no sense in defending his point, coz TLDR of it is "too stupid for CLHS" :-) 12:40:05 I just want to release this damn thing, but testing on CCL/CLISP proving to find lots of corner cases 12:40:05 -!- nialo [nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:40:17 still have to setup slime with lispworks and test there 12:40:45 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:41:38 -!- madsy [~madsy@fu/coder/madsy] 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14:39:11 luis: its insanely good.. Reason I know, is because when I have to zorg out some tricky problem, and I apply myself, i usually find it in hours, faster then package author 14:39:31 maxm-: cool. :) 14:40:10 antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-uzjbmixszpzwnege] has joined #lisp 14:40:11 logging is my secret weapon :-) even if I use it as "insert (format)", once you inserted 100 formats all over the place, it becomes unmanagable. With log4cl, you click on ones you don't need, turn them off right from the log message 14:40:17 cilck on log message -> goes to source 14:41:00 maxm-: hey, that's neat. I wanted to do something like that for tracing. Maybe your work is a good starting point for that. 14:41:13 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 14:41:54 yea its like object system for tracing, with inheritence (its modeled after log4j, with loggers inheriting level from parents) 14:41:55 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-32-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:42:07 maxm-: do you show the logging in some separate buffer or do you use SLIME's REPL? 14:42:30 so its root -> package -> name -> split -> into -> categories -> defun-or-method-name -> specializer name 14:42:42 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 14:42:56 nyef [~nyef@c-50-157-244-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:42:56 luis: it has all the same appenders as log4j 14:43:07 file, stream, etc.. 14:43:09 pattern layout 14:43:47 maxm-: I'm not familiar with log4j or log4cl. 14:44:07 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B298FD1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:44:24 przl [~przlrkt@p5B298FD1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 14:46:15 maxm-: let me try and rephrase my question. Where in Emacs are you able to click on the logging messages? 14:46:36 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:46:47 luis: in REPL 14:46:54 I'm reading about log4cl on CLiki ( http://www.cliki.net/Log4CL ), but I have a doubt: what is the meaning of log "categories"? 14:46:57 maxm-: screencast time!! 14:47:02 but you can adopt it to tail mode 14:47:20 coz it just uses regexp.. Technically you can write your own appenedr that sends XML and such 14:47:25 maxm-: i thought slime was probably dumb and unnecessary (what with ILISP and all) until I saw it in motion. It can really help. 14:47:27 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B298FD1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 14:47:31 maxm-: for tracing, at least, it might be nice to display the output in an Outline buffer 14:47:38 przl [~przlrkt@p5B298FD1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 14:48:04 http://i.imgur.com/2D0pK2O.png 14:48:18 jdz [~jdz@85.254.212.34] has joined #lisp 14:48:21 nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@wsip-68-15-43-240.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 14:48:21 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:48:25 you can right-click in on cl-user it pops a menu to set log level 14:48:29 if it came from a file instead 14:48:55 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-172-148.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49:04 ie http://i.imgur.com/odgQpIF.png 14:49:17 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-172-148.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 14:49:31 then it looks like this http://i.imgur.com/ZnH6bhM.png 14:49:31 14:50:01 left clicking on foobar -> slime goto definition and scroll to (log) statement, right click -> set level (for foobar only) 14:50:21 obviously all of this also available in the top level menu, for the current defun (depending where point is) 14:50:51 -!- agumonkey [~agu@101.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:51:14 oh you can also set level per file, so for example you can set test2.lisp -> off (silences everything), then enable specific functions in it 14:51:34 its a secret weapon man :-) 14:51:46 maxm-: there is any documentation on log4cl? thx 14:52:08 nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-221-115.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 14:52:08 pnpuff: there is a quickstart guide an the current version, next one will be about the same 14:52:49 its pretty DWIM oriented, and major entry points (ie log:config function, and pattern layout) are extesively documented in docstrings. 14:52:53 -!- tcr [~tcr@77-56-40-229.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:52:58 but if you gonna check it out, wait for this next release 14:53:08 Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@177.224.212.10] has joined #lisp 14:53:22 coz it became a lot more awesome then stable version 14:53:23 -!- xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-137-51.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:53:44 one man's dwim is the other man's wtf 14:54:30 H4ns: can't please everyone, if you have specific critisism I'm happy to discuss them, but there is no defence for "i just plain don't like it" :-) 14:55:08 agumonkey [~agu@101.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 14:55:18 -!- madrik [~user@122.168.170.63] has left #lisp 14:55:24 maxm-: i have no opinion other than "there is no substitute for documentation, in form of prose" 14:56:11 -!- mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-fsonahbfjkbyumce] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:56:12 H4ns: and there are people who disagree... ;) 14:56:19 -!- attila_lendvai1 is now known as attila_lendvai 14:56:32 -!- erjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:56:33 yes, but those people just don't know they're wrong. 14:56:42 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d8696be.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 14:56:42 attila_lendvai: this is what "opinions" are about. 14:57:12 I formed my opinion when I realized that I first looked for the source and then, well, I stopped looking for docs. if the source is not readable enough to understand in slime, then no doc can convince me to use it 14:57:45 attila_lendvai: you talking about log4cl specifically or in general? 14:58:17 now, if you have a less than trivial lib, then you need a bird's eye view, but if that's longer than a dozen of paragraphs, then it's already too long for me 14:58:22 in general 14:58:25 abeaumont [~abeaumont@92.Red-88-8-237.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 14:58:49 davazp [~user@178.167.152.165.threembb.ie] has joined #lisp 14:58:52 i kind of have defence for log4cl.. I have (well a few) users, that use it for whatever. And nothing pisses me off more, then working on my own stuff, then upgrading something, and suddenly all hell breaks lose coz author did a big redesign 14:59:59 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-231-211.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:00:41 oh, and forgot to mention that if I see docs, but don't see unit tests, then I also get very close to give up on the lib 15:00:53 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:02:45 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:03:17 maxm-: I'm looking at Log4CL features listed on Cliki and I do not understand what "log categories" and "appenders" familiar concepts mean. Could you kindly explain to me? thanks 15:03:36 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@24.56.241.247] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:04:07 mutley89 [~mutley89@host86-143-79-42.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 15:04:34 madalu [~user@unaffiliated/madalu] has joined #lisp 15:04:36 pnpuff: its a concept that comes from log4j, which a lot of other logging frameworks copied. 15:05:11 pnpuff: basic idea is that there are 2 concepts. The logical place where logging happens, and the physical stuff of writing to a log file 15:06:04 so for example you may have a class of log messages related to memory, and if you were using format or such, you would print "memory stuff doing x" or "memory stuff doing y". 15:06:35 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 15:06:38 then you may have another place where you parse files, and you print stuff like "parsing files ... whatever ".. 15:07:18 -!- ehu [~ehu@109.33.86.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:07:33 categories are the logical places where such logging goes, in above example you'll have a category "memory" and category "files" 15:07:40 or "parser" or whatever 15:08:05 log4j innovation is that it automated the creation of the categories based on the location of log statement in the source 15:09:00 in java its based on the package name, then class name. So log statemetns from com.whatever.Memory class, automatically already have category com.whatever.Memory and so on 15:09:32 it allows one very easy to just set com.whatever.Memory to debug, but not other places, or grep logs for just stuff related to Memory 15:10:04 yusup [~yusup@58.100.92.160] has joined #lisp 15:10:30 also categories are hierarchical, so there is a root category, then "com", then "whatever" then "Memory". Each category can have its own log level, but if it does not it inherits one from parent 15:10:32 erikc [~erikc@209.20.28.194] has joined #lisp 15:11:06 so you can say "my entire app all logging is off, except for this and that part" easily, and it propagades up the logical tree of how software is actually built 15:11:33 That makes sense where you have nested modules. 15:11:38 Log4CL pretty much borrows that concept, including splitting of dotted packages, but then makes each defun name a category, and each label or flet inside too 15:12:02 But CL has namespaces. 15:12:15 Thra11 [~Thra11@87.115.32.192] has joined #lisp 15:12:22 for methods it add specializers, so you have category "somepackage.generic-name.specialized-class-name" 15:12:24 You'd probably want something like in-package. 15:12:37 maxm-: ok... I thought categories as collections of objects, of morphysms and of compositions of these morphisms. 15:13:45 pnpuff: well that naming came from Log4J.. I did not wanted to invent my slang, since log4j already had one, and many other logging systems adopted it 15:14:14 -!- Nosceteipsum [~Nosceteip@d137231.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:15:00 pnpuff: hopefully this explains it.. From user perspective, categories is where log messages come from, and appenders is what writes them to files or streams 15:15:04 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.25.200] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:15:27 you can name categories yourself, such as (log:debug :blah "whatever") will go to category :blah 15:15:42 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:15:49 if you don't provide name, it will be named after the context of the call, as in package.function 15:16:56 pnpuff: try this http://logging.apache.org/log4j/1.2/manual.html i think it may explain general concepts better then my ramblings 15:17:02 syamajala [~syamajala@dyn-209-2-229-68.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 15:17:09 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:17:40 Nosceteipsum [~Nosceteip@e177253236.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 15:20:53 -!- no1 [~user@109.175.27.246] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:22:23 leo2007 [~leo@119.161.133.157] has joined #lisp 15:22:27 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-224-43.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:22:56 -!- dented42 [~dented42@opengroove.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:23:13 paddymahoney [~patrick@24.137.221.230] has joined #lisp 15:23:14 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.106.252] has joined #lisp 15:23:45 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:23:52 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.161.133.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:24:29 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 15:24:35 leo2007 [~leo@119.161.133.157] has joined #lisp 15:25:56 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B298FD1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:26:07 przl [~przlrkt@p5B298FD1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 15:26:10 dented42 [~dented42@opengroove.org] has joined #lisp 15:26:23 s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-224-43.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 15:27:24 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-252-16.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:28:01 -!- yusup [~yusup@58.100.92.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:28:13 morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d002c8a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 15:29:55 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:32:34 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 15:32:58 yusup [~yusup@58.100.92.160] has joined #lisp 15:33:13 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 15:37:27 miql [~miql@ip72-201-117-173.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 15:37:38 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-252-16.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:39:39 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-252-16.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:41:00 -!- yusup [~yusup@58.100.92.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:42:10 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 15:44:58 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-252-16.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:45:27 on [~on@115.Red-81-35-185.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 15:45:51 -!- on is now known as Guest84503 15:46:34 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:47:22 -!- hlavaty` [~user@friedrichstrasse.knowledgetools.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47:26 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:47:27 -!- santana [~santana@201-167-0-181-cable.cybercable.net.mx] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 15:47:50 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:47:55 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:48:18 -!- 16SABFY68 is now known as banjiewen 15:49:22 -!- Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@177.224.212.10] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:54:54 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:55:26 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:55:28 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-252-16.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:56:19 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-252-16.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:56:26 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 15:57:35 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 16:01:17 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-252-16.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:01:17 Hi, this is probably a really siiilly question, but... 16:01:21 Do you know how to intern a chain to a valid package-name?. I'm trying to pass a symbol of an object package as argument to a funtion, i.e (setf *dontworking* #) (my_function *dontworking*). intern is not working as expected, thanks. 16:01:43 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-252-16.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:01:49 (intern #) ;; nope 16:02:06 (intern "TRIVIAL-GARBAGE) ;; nooope 16:02:10 Guest21872: I can't figure out what you want 16:02:10 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-sctmwarqzasdfwnr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:02:24 (package-name (find-package "trivial-garbage"))? 16:02:36 er, Guest84503 16:03:00 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 16:04:15 This is the idea, yes, but I want to be able to change "trivial-garbage" with a symbol (like *my-list-of-packages*), so i can iterate over it 16:05:18 iterate over what? 16:05:36 (mapcar #'find-package '(list-all-packages)) (do something...) 16:06:07 something like this 16:07:19 (intern (package-name (find-package "trivial-garbage")))? 16:07:20 -!- ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:07:36 -!- paddymahoney [~patrick@24.137.221.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:08:05 Guest84503: list-all-packages returns the package objects, no need for find-package at all 16:09:38 -!- KDr2 [~KDr2@114.243.226.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:09:39 mmh... maybe with package-name, let see 16:09:48 I think he's doing something totally insane. 16:10:34 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-76-254-42-198.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:10:35 of course, this is my speciality ;-) 16:10:45 Is there a way to tell a swank connection that the debugger shouldn't pop up in this one, but use another (older) connection instead? 16:11:59 Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@177.224.212.10] has joined #lisp 16:13:44 d11wtq [~chris@1.146.148.208] has joined #lisp 16:13:54 -!- ckoch786 [~cory@108-70-143-173.lightspeed.toldoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:16:01 Hey guys, how can I run different sbcl repls on various ports? Is that a swank thing? (I want to run a slime session on port 4005 and a separate environment entirely on 4006 for instance) 16:16:20 axion [~axion@66.231.120.220] has joined #lisp 16:16:21 ahungry: Have a look at the parameters to SWANK:CREATE-SERVER. 16:16:28 -!- rudi [~rudi@1x-193-157-247-81.uio.no] has quit [Quit: Client exciting.] 16:16:52 ahungry: And if you're starting the REPLs from emacs, I think they might just pick random ports anyway. 16:17:05 Thanks nyef, if I wanted to set up a lisp file to run at server boot, would I just want to include that type of thing at the start? 16:17:27 Yeah, and use :DONT-CLOSE T. 16:17:53 awesome, thanks again 16:18:37 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 16:18:47 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 16:18:56 see start-swank.lisp file 16:19:55 talas [~talas@136.144.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 16:25:44 -!- sellout- [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:26:02 wbooze 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(definterface find-definition) docstring says (METHOD FOO (STRING NUMBER)) but it seems its DEFMETHOD at least for SBCL and CCL 18:42:01 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-214-90-142.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:42:12 As far as line breaks (as opposed to blank lines) go, lines should try to be less than 80 characters wide, for a number of reasons, including viewing diffs in gitk. 18:42:41 maxm-: you can't assume anything 18:42:41 well really I just need defmethod, coz if I can't match the method, I'll just return all of them, and it pops up the xref selection window 18:42:46 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 18:43:10 *maxm-* has a feeling once I release this thing, stassats` may start changing internals just to screw with me :-) 18:43:33 no, it's just how it is, writing third party code for slime is a losing game 18:44:24 We had a presentation at boston-lisp not so long ago about writing custom emacs modes for integrating with lisp systems, for those people who find slime+swank to be just "too much". 18:44:28 ah ok, i'll just give up and throw all this awesome stuff out then :-) 18:44:55 nyef: i find it "not enough" 18:45:13 I find it to be too much in some areas and not enough in others. 18:46:48 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abod142.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 18:48:13 nyef: I usually try to stick to 80 characters, but your function, class and variable names don't have to be too long to make it hard to write a defmethod within that column budget. 18:48:27 True, and I'm well aware of that. 18:48:38 Anyone know offhand the hunchentoot output stream? 18:48:44 Sometimes you just have to break that particular rule. 18:48:48 *standard-output* doesn't seem to work for the cl-json library 18:49:06 people still use cl-json? 18:49:14 -!- Snamich [~Snamich@netblock-68-183-229-245.dslextreme.com] has quit [Quit: Snamich] 18:49:18 is jsown better? 18:49:25 *maxm-* feels like a dinosaur writing desktop software rather then web stuff 18:49:26 *nyef* uses st-json... And formats the JSON to a string to pass to hunchentoot. 18:49:27 I tried jsown but cl-json has plist encoding by default 18:49:33 yason is probably the easiest, and jsown is supposed to be the fastest. 18:50:06 mike25 [~mike@host81-151-47-123.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 18:50:07 sykopomp: you should add that advice to cliki.net/JSON :) 18:50:45 it's been more than a year since I've used any of this stuff. 18:50:52 maybe two by now, actually? 18:51:48 maxm-: don't worry, it's just a fad 18:52:18 -!- weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:52:22 specially considering emscripten and company 18:53:10 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 18:53:22 -!- natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 18:54:24 sykopomp: I'm using cl-json, but only the very basics 18:54:46 -!- Guest84503 [~on@115.Red-81-35-185.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:54:49 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn1219-243.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:55:10 I'm not too happy with cl-json:encode-json-to-string, btw 18:55:24 -!- pnpuff [~name@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:55:45 -!- lusory [~lusory@42.60.25.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:56:07 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 18:56:30 How can I wrap around the cl-json output to a stream and turn it into what the function evaluates to? 18:56:41 Add a (read (cl-json ... around it? 18:57:24 assuming I passed in something like (cl-json:encode-plist-json '(:id 1 :name "dog") *my-output*) 18:57:30 for my json call 18:57:36 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:57:38 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Quit: Automatic restart triggered due to persistent lag. Freenode staff: If this is happening too frequently, please set a nickserv freeze on my account, and once my connection is stable, unfreeze the account and /kill me to trigger a reconnect.] 18:58:22 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 18:58:44 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 19:00:43 (with-input-from-string (s (cl-json:encode-json-plist-to-string '(:id 1 :name "dog"))) (do-something-with-stream s)) 19:01:07 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:01:49 that doesn't look good, does it? 19:01:49 b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@46.36.172.132] has joined #lisp 19:01:49 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #lisp 19:01:59 lusory [~lusory@42.60.25.228] has joined #lisp 19:02:02 bhyde [~bhyde@50.12.146.82] has joined #lisp 19:02:12 pnpuff [~name@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 19:03:10 thanks 19:03:58 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@50.12.146.82] has quit [Client Quit] 19:04:17 -!- kushal 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'(:id 1 :name "dog")) 19:06:34 thanks for putting up with me guys :) 19:08:00 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-221-115.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:08:19 natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 19:09:37 smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has joined #lisp 19:12:40 I need to have a look at cl-jsown 19:15:27 -!- Ue [~Ue@unaffiliated/ue] has left #lisp 19:15:48 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:16:13 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:16:14 -!- Flame_Alchemist [~Flame_Alc@95.236.103.44] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:16:23 -!- pnpuff [~name@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:16:32 well, will need to understand what's missing, first test fails 19:16:47 ETOOLATE, good night guys, to whomever it applies ;) 19:17:03 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-39-1.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has 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Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:58:49 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 22:00:51 -!- Guest67718 [~lukas@194.228.13.50] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 22:01:09 lukas_ [~lukas@194.228.13.50] has joined #lisp 22:01:33 -!- lukas_ is now known as Guest18294 22:02:10 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:03:49 nialo [~nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 22:04:09 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.228.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 257 seconds] 22:05:47 bitonic [~user@176.27.229.121] has joined #lisp 22:06:14 paddymahoney [~patrick@199-7-156-158.eng.wind.ca] has joined #lisp 22:06:16 -!- talas [~talas@136.144.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:08:43 what's the easiest way to see test if all elements in an array/vector are equal to some value? 22:08:59 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:09:20 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d8696be.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit 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