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-!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:38:29 d11wtq_ios [~d11wtq_io@110.144.143.121] has joined #lisp 04:39:18 rukubites [~user@d122-111-14-126.meb804.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 04:42:05 Can someone verify that they can compile this function at the repl? It does weird things in sbcl 1.1.7 (and 1.1.2). https://gist.github.com/lhope/5530289/raw/ad54d0666d20637b7161415030b8978a05369ad4/sbcl-bug.lisp 04:44:31 failed AVER. 04:45:01 Yes. There is some weird interaction between the two alphanumericp's. 04:45:18 If I pull the lambda out as an flet it works. Which lets me get on with my work. 04:48:46 how do I ask the bot to send a message to someone who isn't here? 04:48:59 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 04:49:38 minion: help? 04:49:39 There are multiple help modules. Try ``/msg minion help kind'', where kind is one of: "lookups", "helping others", "adding terms", "aliasing terms", "forgetting", "memos", "avoiding memos", "nicknames", "goodies", "eliza", "advice", "apropos", "acronyms". 04:49:40 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:49:51 or just use memoserv. 04:49:54 minion: help memos 04:49:54 To send a memo, say something like ``minion: memo for nick: the memo''. I'll remember the memo for any nick which is the same as the given nick, +/- differences in punctuation, and any nick which is an alias for it, and give it to them when they next speak. 04:50:28 -!- d11wtq_ios [~d11wtq_io@110.144.143.121] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:50:43 minion: memo for pjb: Thanks for your help, I finally read your reply. So I'll take it that my existing solution (copying the array if the element-type is wrong) is the safest then. 04:50:43 Remembered. I'll tell pjb when he/she/it next speaks. 04:52:11 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 04:52:58 -!- rme [~rme@50.43.176.79] has quit [Quit: rme] 04:53:49 Okay, I reported that issue on launchpad. 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Anyone knows what this error means? 08:13:18 which database? 08:13:36 I am connected through odbc 08:13:40 it should be a db2 though 08:13:57 xificurC, I am going to guess that is an error code 08:14:01 from some C code 08:14:28 my main issue is - (list-tables) shows a list of tables but they also have a schema or owner or whatever 08:14:40 so when I get a list of tables I see 3 tables foo_bar 08:15:03 if I want to query it I get an error because I need the schema 08:15:23 i don't think many people are using such a setup 08:15:39 so your chances to get help here are slim 08:15:45 if i just (query "select * from foo_bar") I get an error that the table my-username.foo_bar doesnt exist 08:16:00 :( 08:16:24 I'd just need to be able to retrieve the full name of path to the tables, not just thier names 08:16:30 name or path* 08:19:38 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.161.133.157] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.3.1] 08:21:22 varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 08:22:27 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:24:13 we use hyperion explorer @work and it retrieves all I need just fine 08:25:27 kpreid_ [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 08:26:04 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 08:26:24 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:26:25 -!- kpreid_ is now known as kpreid 08:26:59 11:14 from some C code 08:27:14 sorry. typo 08:29:55 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 08:31:40 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.100.130] has joined #lisp 08:31:48 ok I managed to find it thanks to this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3583963/db2-query-to-retrive-all-table-names-for-a-given-schema . 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[~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 10:43:47 Tanami [~carnage@150.101.97.171] has joined #lisp 10:45:37 then you manually edit it 10:46:10 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.219.161] has joined #lisp 10:47:07 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:47:33 stassats, when are you going to put Gosper's GRINDEF program in SLIME so we can M-q forms? 10:48:20 jaaso [~user@109.175.27.246] has joined #lisp 10:49:00 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:50:41 there's M- M-x indent-pp-sexp, but its result is not good 10:52:17 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:56:34 fsvehla_ [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 10:56:40 pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has joined #lisp 10:57:21 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@freiksenet.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:58:15 freiksenet [~freiksene@freiksenet.com] has joined #lisp 10:58:35 is there a way i can actually have it get the value of a? (let ((a 3)) (read-from-string "a")) 10:58:48 returns A ; 1 10:58:50 (let ((a 3)) a) 10:59:08 -!- fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:59:08 -!- fsvehla_ is now known as fsvehla 10:59:23 stassats: i need to read-from-string for what i am doing 10:59:37 stassats: i am asking this question for a macro i am working on 10:59:43 whatever you're doing, that's not how lexical variables work 11:00:02 if a macro needs to access a lexical variable, then it's wrong 11:00:05 stassats: is there a way to make it look it up after it reads it? 11:00:29 there's no reading involved, the lexical variable only exists at run-time 11:01:11 dfgikjdfk4 [~sdfjje@212.150.107.71] has joined #lisp 11:02:02 -!- dfgikjdfk4 [~sdfjje@212.150.107.71] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:02:20 stassats: i have a macro that expands #[10] into (make-array 10) ....but it does not work for variables like that...because the symbol needs to be evaluated for its value first or something 11:03:36 why not use #10(nil)? 11:03:58 if you want #[10] to work, you need to expand to (make-array 10), not into an array 11:04:37 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:05:45 stassats: http://ideone.com/ycM9jT 11:06:09 why do you have a regular macro? 11:06:28 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:06:29 stassats: could i just backquote? 11:08:38 protist: unless a is special, after (let ((a 3)) ...) is compiled, the name 'a' is no longer meaningful 11:10:30 protist: http://paste.lisp.org/display/137057 11:11:28 protist: rather, http://paste.lisp.org/display/137057#1 11:12:33 stassats: wow that looks much cleaner...i will study this, thank you :) 11:13:57 of course, you shouldn't ever use it, because it's stupid 11:15:40 stassats: lol i figured you thought as much 11:15:45 bitonic [~user@176.27.229.121] has joined #lisp 11:15:47 stassats: it is more for practice than anything 11:16:40 knob [~knob@76.76.202.244] has joined #lisp 11:16:42 stassats: i will probably make it progressively more complex.....maybe to do something like #[10,10] or something 11:17:24 stassats: and then something similar to access elements 11:17:30 -!- mhi^ [~mhi@mhi.sanctioned.net] has left #lisp 11:18:15 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:19:30 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 11:22:00 nilsi [~nilsi@student-246-131.eduroam.uu.se] has joined #lisp 11:23:20 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 11:23:32 protist: why do you need this? 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11:48:23 stassats: thank you for writing that code for me....having well-written code to study is very nice :)...I'm reading on peek-char, read-char, and set-syntax-from-char now....i wouldn't have known to look for them if not for you 11:48:31 hitecnologys: thank you 11:48:38 -!- Joreji [~thomas@78-100.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:50:30 -!- Natch [~Natch@c-10cfe155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:50:50 The_third_man: overclocking your CPU or buying new one may help 11:52:11 The_third_man: another solution is to save sbcl image with quicklisp already loaded but I'm not sure if it will work correctly 11:52:16 spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 11:52:40 it will actually make a different, as opposed to your first suggestion 11:52:47 difference 11:53:05 sbcl loads slowly for me.... linedit takes like 5-7 seconds, every time :( ....i would prefer to use sbcl, but i use clisp because of the slow load 11:53:26 stassats: faster CPU will make sbcl run and load files faster, why it won't make any difference? 11:54:01 `fogus [~fogus@freedom.d-a-s.com] has joined #lisp 11:54:04 protist: load quicklisp and then save-lisp-and-die 11:54:23 faster CPU is still slower than not loading any files 11:54:53 stassats: yeah, that's true 11:55:38 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:56:15 I think removing some packages may be a solution 11:56:28 (now I need to recall the command to remove them cleanly) 11:57:36 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:57:59 The_third_man: removing packages may help a little but if I were you, I'd save image with all packages already loaded and use this image to start sbcl faster 11:59:15 yeah, but that means redoing an image each time I install a new package 12:00:21 no 12:00:29 you would load an image with quicklisp only 12:00:37 save an image 12:01:55 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-132-164.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:07:32 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 12:07:39 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:07:56 Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-158-45-47.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 12:09:00 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 12:09:17 -!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-158-45-47.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 12:10:56 KDr2 [~KDr2@123.122.123.108] has joined #lisp 12:15:06 hitecnologys: thank you for suggesting that :D 12:15:20 hitecnologys: i finally got everything set up and aliased nicely 12:15:28 hitecnologys: no more clisp for me! 12:15:50 protist: you're welcome 12:16:32 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:18:06 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:20:36 Natch [~Natch@c-10cfe155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 12:21:20 protist: If you can share your code, I'd be interested 12:21:33 hitecnologys: you were right, this seems to be the best solution 12:21:46 I tried a clean quicklisp install, no improvements :/ 12:21:48 thanks 12:24:25 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 12:25:27 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 12:26:27 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:26:43 wrote initialize-instance method for one of my classes but it doesn't work correctly: http://paste.lisp.org/display/137059. I have no idea what can be wrong, need help. 12:26:54 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 12:27:17 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:27:25 It says there's no such slot "max-hp" but it is defined. 12:28:32 -!- pjb [~user@AMontsouris-651-1-14-160.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:28:43 pjb [~t@AMontsouris-651-1-14-160.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 12:29:07 -!- pjb is now known as Guest78197 12:29:16 pundit [~gopal@178.115.250.134.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #lisp 12:31:43 hitecnologys: you've not pasted a complete test case.. it may be a package issue.. in any case it seems silly to construct symbol names every time an instance is created 12:31:51 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:32:27 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:32:32 w37 [~user@31.221.13.71] has joined #lisp 12:33:11 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:33:14 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:33:40 adeht: sure it's stupid, I'll rewrite it later 12:34:12 adeht: everything happens in the same package, backtrace says that mistake in somewhere in initialize-isntance 12:35:47 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:39:53 hah, weird, it works now bit I don't know what I did 12:40:01 but* 12:40:54 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:42:33 leo2007 [~leo@119.161.133.157] has joined #lisp 12:42:40 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:42:57 -!- jute [c2371a08@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.55.26.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:45:08 jute [c2371a08@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.55.26.8] has joined #lisp 12:46:53 question closed, I found a bug 12:47:03 the bug* 12:47:05 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 257 seconds] 12:48:45 interesting.....sbcl initializes array elements to 0....clisp initializes them to nil 12:48:50 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:49:01 is there a standard for this? 12:49:52 idurand [~idurand@ABordeaux-652-1-150-125.w83-193.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 12:51:05 yes, it says "If initial-element is not supplied, the consequences of later reading an uninitialized element of new-array are undefined unless either initial-contents is supplied or displaced-to is non-nil." 12:51:06 -!- agumonkey [~agu@19.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:51:25 agumonkey [~agu@19.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 12:51:58 nil is better IMO 12:53:01 not relying on undefined consequences is even better 12:54:38 sbcl initialized them to 0 this time. Tomorrow it might choose to initialize them to 1 12:56:17 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.219.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:57:06 segv- [~mb@95-91-241-75-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 12:58:32 -!- knobo [~bohmer@81.175.44.217] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 13:00:13 -!- jute [c2371a08@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.55.26.8] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:00:38 eee [~user@c50-26-74-15.amrlcmtk01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #lisp 13:00:48 milkpost_ [~dec@192.133.84.6] has joined #lisp 13:01:37 puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 13:06:26 -!- milkpost_ [~dec@192.133.84.6] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:08:23 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@178.74.89.208] has joined #lisp 13:09:07 nyef [~nyef@c-50-157-244-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:09:13 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.85.68] has joined #lisp 13:10:43 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:11:45 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.85.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:12:22 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:13:50 *pkhuong* would love to see an array of octets initialised to NIL. 13:14:00 clox [~user@rrcs-208-125-109-116.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:16:44 The individual octets, or the underlying storage? 13:17:36 whichever is observable. 13:20:11 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@2602:306:3686:aac0:6443:d26a:4d7d:5d2b] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:20:13 mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 13:20:58 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:21:21 masasi [~masasi@p210079202073.cnh.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 13:24:04 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-147-121.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:24:17 -!- masasi [~masasi@p210079202073.cnh.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:26:39 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:27:07 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 13:28:25 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 13:29:48 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.85.68] has joined #lisp 13:30:48 kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #lisp 13:34:43 -!- xani [~user@178.183.152.96.dsl.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:36:48 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:36:58 -!- Guest78197 is now known as pjb 13:38:57 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:39:56 ccl, clisp, cmucl and sbcl rejects the initial element nil for octet vectors. 13:39:56 pjb, memo from loke_: Thanks for your help, I finally read your reply. So I'll take it that my existing solution (copying the array if the element-type is wrong) is the safest then. 13:42:11 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-135-42.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:42:13 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@93-80-155-118.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:44:38 Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has joined #lisp 13:45:00 Because where we're going, there is no precedence. 13:45:13 madsy [~madsy@fu/coder/madsy] has joined #lisp 13:45:30 hell ? 13:45:53 pjb: when talking about re-implementing existing software in CL, I don't find that sentence really appropriate 13:46:04 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-108-48-74-4.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:46:14 Is there a way to do step debugging with Slime and SBCL? If not, is there a free Common Lisp implementation that does? 13:46:44 madsy: stepping doesn't work that well in sbcl. i don't know if any implementations support it nicely. i would guess lispworks or allegro might. 13:46:55 Thanks 13:47:05 I usually use breaks and high debug level in sbcl to get detailed info about the state of computation for functions I'm interested in. 13:47:39 I've never used a CL with good stepping support, so I don't know how much I should miss not having it. 13:48:40 Maybe someday we should define precisely what "good stepping support" is, and see if we can get SBCL to do that? 13:48:59 (sb-ext:step-dwim) 13:49:17 (sb-di::step-dwim) ? 13:49:31 nc_ [~cn@dslb-178-005-157-133.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 13:49:33 puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 13:50:51 it works /okay/ in sbcl, if you compile everything with high enough debug. 13:51:06 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 13:51:45 Might be interesting to get it to work with less debug. 13:51:57 But that'd require paying more attention to code locations. 13:54:13 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:54:31 IIRC think problem I've had is that it unpredictably escapes from stepping if you're not in a properly compiled function. 13:54:47 ejbs [~user@h-144-19.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 13:54:47 -!- lifeng [~lifeng@61.190.87.60] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 13:54:52 which can be pretty annoying. 13:54:56 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 13:56:19 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:56:31 I want to automatically define some :AROUND methods after I define a class, is this possible? I would like something like INITIALIZE-INSTANCE but for classes. Sounds like something the MOP should support, but I don't have much experience with this. I also don't know what to google. Could you guys help me? 13:57:10 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:57:27 why do you want to do that? 13:58:27 rme [~rme@50.43.176.79] has joined #lisp 13:58:28 ejbs: classes are instances of their metaclass. normally, clos object have standard-class as their metaclass. 13:59:08 ejbs: if you want to do any metaprogramming in cl, you'll have to read through amop. 13:59:13 -!- tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:1896:64db:b3ee:137e] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:59:26 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:59:26 tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:1896:64db:b3ee:137e] has joined #lisp 13:59:52 not true! you can just read the protocol description 14:00:03 well of course 14:00:19 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@student-246-131.eduroam.uu.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:24 stassats: Because I've written a macro that generates a few :AROUND methods and I would like to ensure that this macro is expanded+evaluated after the class has been instantiated 14:00:34 you can also not read anything and guess your way through. it was just a recommendation and my wording was not so good, apologies. 14:01:00 ejbs: no, why do you need to define around methods for all classes? 14:01:41 can't you do that just for the superclass? 14:01:57 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.85.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:05:48 -!- fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:06:37 ejbs: do you mean after an instance of the class has been instantiated or after finalize-inheritence has been called? 14:07:29 stassats: Oh, okay. Well, there is no superclass (except STANDARD-CLASS I guess(?)) precisely. Maybe there is something fundamentally wrong with my thought process here... segv-: I most likely mean after finalize-inheritance 14:08:14 fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 14:08:15 ejbs: give the class(es) you want to have these :around methods on a super class; define the :aronud methods on the super class. 14:08:24 then make it that it has your superclass, standard-object is the default superclass for standard-class metaclass 14:09:31 spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has joined #lisp 14:10:32 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 14:11:49 -!- eee [~user@c50-26-74-15.amrlcmtk01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:12:15 Let me rephrase my question: I want to define new :around methods for a list of methods 14:12:45 you cannot define methods for methods. 14:13:21 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:13:59 natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 14:14:12 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 14:14:23 breakds [~breakds@ppp-70-226-167-124.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 14:14:32 drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 14:14:39 H4ns: Then my use of terminology is failing, I think. What would you say that this code snippet does? http://paste.lisp.org/display/137061 14:15:13 ejbs: methods are defined for generic functions. 14:15:50 Ah, right. That's what I meant, sorry. 14:17:25 adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 14:19:27 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 14:19:53 ejbs: what exactly do you want to do? After reading conversation I understood almost nothing except that you want to define method after defining class. Use macro in that case. 14:20:24 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:20:57 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #lisp 14:21:41 http://paste.lisp.org/display/137062 Does this codesnippet make it clearer as to what I'm after? hitecnologys: As you can see, a macro exists. It's just that I want to guarantee expansion/evaluation of the macro at a specific place in time (the place in time being after the class has been initialized) 14:22:29 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 14:22:49 class is initialized right after creating, you don't need this check 14:22:59 creation* 14:23:19 ejbs: it looks as if you're trying to do something around slot access, is that right? 14:23:53 ejbs: if that is the case, you could read amop and then implement a metaclass that implements the behavior for slots. 14:26:38 H4ns: That's exactly what I want to do. Hm... Okay, do you have any experience with the mop? Would you reckon that this would take a lot of time to do for someone with decent experience with mop? 14:26:40 -!- Tarential [~Tarential@li472-156.members.linode.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:26:51 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:26:57 it's trivial 14:26:58 ejbs: not at all. but the mop is a bit complex. 14:27:01 Tarential [~Tarential@li472-156.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 14:27:15 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 14:27:20 it is trivial if you know the mop :) 14:27:40 ejbs: it took about 3 days to understand MOP for me 14:27:42 setf in a loop.. I feel dirty 14:28:24 victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has joined #lisp 14:28:34 ejbs: (defclass foo () (...) (:metaclass instrumented-slot-accessors)) 14:29:17 (defmethod slot-value-using-class :before ((class instrumented-slot-accessors) object slot) (format t "Hi!")) 14:29:38 obviously there are some details missing, but that's the direction. (if i'm reading your code snippet correctly) 14:30:35 segv-: Hm... Okay, I'm gonna go read around a little so I just don't copy paste without any idea of what I'm doing. Thanks everyone for the help, I really appreciate it! 14:31:07 ejbs: mop compatability layer: http://common-lisp.net/project/closer/closer-mop.html 14:31:14 mop dictionary: http://www.alu.org/mop/dictionary.html 14:31:28 ejbs: here is a self-contained metaclass https://github.com/slyrus/xml-class/blob/master/xml-class.lisp 14:31:45 well, self-contained in that it does not come with a database or something. 14:31:58 H4ns: segv-: Ooh, awesome, thanks once again :-) 14:32:02 sellout- [~Adium@c-50-134-130-65.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:32:04 lduros` [~user@pool-108-52-158-66.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:33:17 if you can get it (hope you live near a technical library) the first 4 chapters of 'the art of the metaobject protocl' are a very nice (deep) explanation of how the mop works and how the pieces fall together. 14:33:37 (it's all well thought out, but it only makes sense once you've adapted to the underlying logic) 14:33:44 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-20-77.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:33:46 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:34:11 jewel [~jewel@105-236-20-77.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:34:23 Bike [~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 14:37:44 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 14:37:46 nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@wsip-68-15-43-240.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 14:38:37 how can I list all characters in current readtable? (print *readtable*) only prints instance id and class 14:39:48 hitecnologys: I think it requires either looping to char-code-limit or implementation-specific trickery 14:40:10 Please note that char-code-limit can be fairly large on some implementations. 14:40:35 if you're just inspecting stuff, will using the SLIME inspector give you the list? 14:40:35 -!- nc_ [~cn@dslb-178-005-157-133.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:40:55 sykopomp: slime inspector? 14:41:00 C-c I iirc 14:41:10 sykopomp: Possibly, but I can imagine an implementation where it doesn't make it obvious. 14:41:52 Mmm. Ever used the inspector on an SB-ALIEN struct or pointer? 14:41:59 -!- breakds [~breakds@ppp-70-226-167-124.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:42:04 hitecnologys: SLIME has an object inspector. You can inspect the *readtable* object and it might just let you read through the characters yourself. 14:42:37 sykopomp: inspected, got bunch of numbers 14:42:45 hitecnologys: why are you doing it? 14:43:27 Xach: just curious 14:43:45 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:43:50 Ok, then the answer is no. 14:46:39 Kruppe [~user@j2petkovich.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 14:46:49 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 14:48:31 antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-owpocbchiwdjpzmg] has joined #lisp 14:51:36 hitecnologys: named-readtables comes with an implementation of an iterator for readtables. It uses implementation-specific code for some implementations, otherwise it grovels each character up to char-code-limit. 14:51:43 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 14:51:49 Kenjin [~kenjin@gw-isr.deec.uc.pt] has joined #lisp 14:52:03 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 14:53:09 do some impls have char-code-limit > #x110000 14:53:19 -!- KDr2 [~KDr2@123.122.123.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:55:24 oh man, everytime i do M-p for the previous input i get that input with extra "input " at begin and end, but what more even " in that input are escaped by \, so i get for C code for example printf("%d", blah)->printf(\"%d\", blah) 14:55:49 it's rather "printf(\"%d\", blah)" 14:55:57 input-completion in mcclim 14:56:10 perhaps your cmucl is too new 14:56:22 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:56:29 all ok up until the begin-end "'s and the inner escapes.... 14:58:51 _d3f [~gnu@ip-static-94-242-252-66.as5577.net] has joined #lisp 14:59:20 milkpost_ [~dec@192.133.84.6] has joined #lisp 15:01:32 -!- Yuuhi```` [benni@p5DC6369E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:02:59 puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 15:03:11 breakds [~breakds@ppp-70-226-167-124.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 15:04:57 -!- lduros` [~user@pool-108-52-158-66.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:05:12 -!- protist [~protist@74.172.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:05:50 lduros` [~user@pool-108-52-158-66.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:07:17 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:07:55 -!- lduros` [~user@pool-108-52-158-66.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:09:32 -!- stardiviner [~quassel@122.236.254.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:09:48 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:10:38 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 15:11:19 -!- milkpost_ [~dec@192.133.84.6] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:11:45 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:12:08 davazp [~user@92.251.211.108.threembb.ie] has joined #lisp 15:12:17 milkpost_ [~dec@192.133.84.6] has joined #lisp 15:15:41 ahungry [~null@66.184.106.97] has joined #lisp 15:16:03 -!- zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:19:08 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-028-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 15:20:59 nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-221-115.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 15:23:11 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:24:24 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1-dev] 15:24:55 -!- spacebat [spacebat@50.56.189.236] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 15:25:08 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:25:50 -!- idurand [~idurand@ABordeaux-652-1-150-125.w83-193.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 15:27:01 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:27:24 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 15:27:29 rm0130 [~rm0130@110.179.196.252] has joined #lisp 15:27:40 -!- rm0130 [~rm0130@110.179.196.252] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:28:07 rm0130 [~rm0130@110.179.196.252] has joined #lisp 15:29:03 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:31:42 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:37:00 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@109.126.129.81] has joined #lisp 15:37:07 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:37:46 honkfestival [~honkfesti@67.210.173.114] has joined #lisp 15:38:00 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-135-42.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: none] 15:39:07 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@109.126.129.81] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:39:59 -!- ejbs [~user@h-144-19.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:43:03 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:44:38 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:44:55 anyone ever get this issue with clsql - could not optimize away %SAP-ALIEN: forced to do runtime 15:44:58 ; allocation of alien-value structure 15:46:16 cgore [~cgore@cgore.com] has joined #lisp 15:46:47 -!- cgore [~cgore@cgore.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47:18 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-rzppviersflybdub] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 15:47:40 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:48:52 ahungry: I don't, because I don't use clsql, but the only thing that message means is that whatever is getting compiled will be stupidly slow when run. 15:50:44 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 15:50:54 ahungry: which backend to which database engine? 15:54:13 SanderM [~quassel@vhe-400104.sshn.net] has joined #lisp 15:54:42 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:55:37 k0001 [~k0001@host86.181-1-202.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 15:56:02 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-135-42.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:56:16 miql_ [~miql@ip98-165-114-148.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 15:57:10 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 15:57:55 clsql connecting to mysql (actually mariadb) 5.5 15:58:11 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:58:22 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:00:05 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:01:54 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-50-134-130-65.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:01:59 clsql's current mysql support is a bit sketchy even aside from that warnign 16:02:28 -!- jaaso is now known as jaaso_afk 16:02:33 ahungry: I dont have all the details handy, but there is some ongoing but incomplete threading work as well 16:02:33 -!- davazp [~user@92.251.211.108.threembb.ie] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:04:52 davazp [~user@92.251.211.108.threembb.ie] has joined #lisp 16:05:01 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:06:29 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:06:58 -!- milkpost_ [~dec@192.133.84.6] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:08:24 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:09:00 bobbysmith007: thanks 16:10:18 -!- natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:11:11 ahungry: no problem, it might work for you for what you need, but I would test my uses very carefully before using it production 16:11:33 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:11:56 oh man, completer still broke.... 16:14:38 sellout- [~Adium@c-107-2-139-4.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:16:19 ejbs [~user@h-144-19.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 16:16:56 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 16:17:10 here's a dime 16:17:21 -!- mutley89 [~mutley89@host86-143-79-42.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:17:55 -!- gko [gko@2400:8900::f03c:91ff:fe70:e605] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:18:42 -!- w37 [~user@31.221.13.71] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22:30 gko [gko@2400:8900::f03c:91ff:fe70:e605] has joined #lisp 16:22:31 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@178.74.89.208] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 16:23:00 What would be the standard loop format for going over a list and incrementing a variable as you go? 16:23:46 (loop for x in '(A B C) for i from 1 to 10 do (print i)) - similar to that but without the range on i? 16:23:51 (loop for i from 0 for x in list do (stuff to x and i)) 16:23:52 I am sure I'm overlooking something super basic 16:24:00 sdemarre [~serge@91.180.118.78] has joined #lisp 16:24:05 thanks Krystof 16:24:42 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.161.133.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:24:48 or of course (let ((i 0)) (dolist (x list) (stuff to x and i) (incf i))) 16:26:58 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:29:47 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29:53 -!- Kruppe [~user@j2petkovich.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:30:07 nialo [~nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 16:30:15 -!- clox [~user@rrcs-208-125-109-116.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:30:16 -!- SeanTAllen [uid4855@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-stgxhsrnyxiepfrb] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:30:16 Kruppe [~user@j2petkovich.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 16:30:21 tankrim` [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has joined #lisp 16:30:34 mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has joined #lisp 16:30:43 -!- pw_ [uid2072@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gwdhwmhsgxovugdh] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:30:50 -!- jaaso_afk [~user@109.175.27.246] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:31:22 jaaso_afk [~user@109.175.27.246] has joined #lisp 16:31:33 -!- tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:31:34 -!- varjag [uid4973@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zmkwvjrzrbmnisna] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:32:13 varjag_ [uid4973@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cvxbhszuchzddwqs] has joined #lisp 16:35:05 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-221-115.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:35:15 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:39:38 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:40:04 Hi guys. (off-topic-p 'yes 'no) 16:40:14 (Not sure if I got that right. I'm trying to be on-topic first) 16:41:48 rking: (yes-or-no-p "off topic?") 16:42:13 Oh, the 'p' means "prompt". 16:42:20 So can somebody like, eval that for me? 16:42:22 No, it means predicate. 16:42:28 predicate 16:42:48 Yeah, mine was pretty messed up now that I think about it. 16:45:55 So I need to ask a question that's relevant to someone who thinks about thinking, and this channel is the best I could come up with. But I don't want to be off-topic. 16:46:14 only if it's thinking about common lisp 16:46:30 Right, yes. 16:47:35 -!- patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: patrickwonders] 16:47:35 organometallica [~bigsqueez@bigsqueeze.scs.uiuc.edu] has joined #lisp 16:48:05 I wonder if there's a "Common Lisp for Rubyists" lib/doc. 16:48:13 natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 16:48:37 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:48:50 are rubyists special? 16:48:53 "learn to learn other languages".txt 16:49:18 -!- leoc [~leoc.git@p4FF7AFB9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:49:21 stassats: No, only a thing to optimize the path. 16:49:38 rking: just pick up PCL. There's very little friction from what I can tell. 16:49:47 I think part of learning to learn other languages is knowing that a mapping can shortcut the early unrewarding parts. 16:49:53 sykopomp: OK, thank you. 16:49:53 I know rubyists that have learned CL and vice versa. 16:50:14 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:50:16 you can ask felideon or H4ns if they have tips. I think H4ns even wrote a blog post about it? 16:51:19 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 16:54:48 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-32.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:57:23 Nosceteipsum [~Nosceteip@e177112045.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 16:58:20 -!- keepishop [~keepishop@c-67-161-105-176.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:58:49 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 16:58:50 keepishop [~keepishop@c-67-161-105-176.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:58:54 -!- Matt_S_G [~Matt_S_G@87.109.22.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:59:30 "Common Lisp for Language X" could be a decent article series. 16:59:51 I have a WIP article targetting python, myself 17:00:03 but I didn't find the right angle yet 17:00:03 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-160-188.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:00:04 "Haskell" -> "Grab PCL", "Java" -> "Grab PCL", "Python" -> "Grab PCL" etc etc 17:00:10 rking, just curios, why do you want to learn lisp? 17:00:11 I accept paypal donations 17:00:33 -!- breakds [~breakds@ppp-70-226-167-124.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:00:33 well no sykopomp, what's missing is context and why is lisp interesting when I already know X or Y language 17:00:47 what's in Lisp for me if I'm already at ease with python? 17:01:14 what the fuss about OOP and functional programming the way CL does it? what about the error management tooling, etc 17:01:18 przl_ [~przlrkt@p5B29826A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 17:01:28 a smug feeling of superiority 17:01:32 milkpost [~dec@192.133.84.6] has joined #lisp 17:01:34 it's boring if you're just doing a tour of what's in CL, you have to put in perspective, and the perspective is a little different with each source language 17:01:34 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B29826A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:01:58 "lisp allows me to tackle projects with very small teams, that would otherwise be out of scope for my outfit." 17:02:36 Exactly dim. Anyway, we could make a CLiki article for this, right? And a thread on /r/lisp for other posters or something. Maybe along with quotes about why other people chose Common Lisp, like Fade kind of mentioned 17:02:50 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7552ba.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:03:07 Matt_S_G [~Matt_S_G@87.109.22.212] has joined #lisp 17:03:36 well you can have a look at http://pgsql.tapoueh.org/temp/pgloader.pdf which is kind of my try at it, and given that perspective I think it's still a failed try... I intend to work on it again later, that said 17:03:46 the smug feeling of superiority is pretty amazing too, fwiw 17:04:38 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:06:22 ISF [~ivan@187.106.36.28] has joined #lisp 17:06:43 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:08:07 There should probably be a Why Lisp?-article on CLiki, dontcha think? 17:09:39 Eldariof-ru [~CLD@188.168.246.45] has joined #lisp 17:09:45 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-139-6-48.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:11:45 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-110-113.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 17:12:15 -!- scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 17:12:15 if you should ask, it's not for you 17:13:38 -!- Matt_S_G [~Matt_S_G@87.109.22.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:15:14 johan [~user@h-144-19.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 17:15:15 -!- ejbs [~user@h-144-19.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:15:18 -!- johan [~user@h-144-19.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has left #lisp 17:15:34 ejbs [~user@h-144-19.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 17:15:44 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 17:15:45 stassats: And why would that be? 17:17:02 satshabad [~satshabad@host-134-71-47-130.allocated.csupomona.edu] has joined #lisp 17:17:09 nilsi [~nilsi@c-5eeaaa75-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined #lisp 17:18:05 ejbs: I think you can read that as meaning that if you think there should be such an article, you probably should be writing it now 17:18:24 if you're not writing it already, maybe you don't really thing there should be that article online? 17:18:40 it's not what was meant 17:18:46 i meant to be smug 17:18:47 -!- milkpost [~dec@192.133.84.6] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:19:00 ok now I have to lookup that word 17:19:01 Matt_S_G [~Matt_S_G@87.109.22.212] has joined #lisp 17:19:04 don't dilute my smugness with your reason 17:19:25 ok 17:19:44 I'll leave you to the self-joy of being a smug then 17:21:08 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@gw-isr.deec.uc.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:21:23 -!- rme [~rme@50.43.176.79] has left #lisp 17:21:48 -!- bitonic is now known as bitonic` 17:21:52 -!- bitonic` [~user@176.27.229.121] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:22:05 *Fade* wonders if #C contends with people coming into the channel and wringing their hands in existential angst about "What's in this whole C thing, for me? I already know Cobol and 6502 assembler!" 17:22:28 it's a tool. the choice isn't that complex. 17:22:44 C puts C in OBOL 17:22:47 Why would anyone use #C in #modern #times instead of #java or #C++ or #python or #rus? 17:22:51 ... What's in this whole "Cobol" thing for me? (-: 17:22:56 wait, I forgot #C# 17:23:07 nyef: apparently really high-paying positions. 17:24:19 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:24:26 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 17:25:27 -!- ejbs [~user@h-144-19.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:25:30 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-187-213.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 17:25:51 imo, we'd do much better to focus more on documenting the systems we already have, and then using those systems to build other more excellent systems and documenting those, than writing a bunch of fluffy articles like "Lisp_For_$LANG_Programmers". :D 17:26:02 ejb [~user@h-210-240.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 17:26:04 milkpost [~dec@192.133.84.6] has joined #lisp 17:26:05 -!- ejb [~user@h-210-240.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has left #lisp 17:26:25 ... Er$LANG programmers? 17:26:34 more, better, code! 17:26:41 ejbs [~user@h-210-240.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 17:26:43 youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 17:26:44 stassats: Yeah, I guess you meant "If you don't understand Lisp before 17:26:44 you know Lisp then Lisp is not for you" or something to that 17:26:44 effect. Also, dim, I'll be working on it... Some time soon in the 17:26:48 future. 17:26:52 Oops. 17:27:07 minion: chant! 17:27:07 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:27:07 MORE BETTER 17:32:33 Huh. 17:32:35 gmcastil [~user@207-224-44-98.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:34:16 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@41-135-197-102.dsl.mweb.co.za] has quit [Quit: Harag] 17:34:36 Harag [~Thunderbi@41-135-197-102.dsl.mweb.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:39:30 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 17:44:53 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.85.68] has joined #lisp 17:46:23 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@c-5eeaaa75-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:46:33 re: the problem I was having yesterday afternoon, the problem seems to be in cl-ssl or the underlying library 17:47:08 I suspect a bad interaction with iolib 17:47:32 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@firewall-dcd1.acceleration.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:47:48 -!- Nosceteipsum 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It's the lhurgoyf!] 20:34:22 ozzloy [~ozzloy@ozzloy.lifeafterking.org] has joined #lisp 20:34:22 -!- ozzloy [~ozzloy@ozzloy.lifeafterking.org] has quit [Changing host] 20:34:22 ozzloy [~ozzloy@unaffiliated/ozzloy] has joined #lisp 20:40:05 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.180.118.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:41:06 Eldariof-ru [~CLD@pppoe-222-86-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 20:42:42 -!- milkpost [~dec@192.133.84.6] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:43:57 -!- pellegrino [~pellegrin@85.17.26.2] has left #lisp 20:44:08 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:48:06 -!- Eldariof-ru [~CLD@pppoe-222-86-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:48:50 HectorAE [~Panhuman@74-134-161-138.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #lisp 20:49:23  Live long and prosper. 20:49:51 -!- pundit [~gopal@178.115.250.134.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:49:58 pellegrino [~pellegrin@85.17.26.2] has joined #lisp 20:50:59 -!- pellegrino [~pellegrin@85.17.26.2] has left #lisp 20:53:54 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 20:54:47 banannagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:54:51 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:55:19 -!- miql_ [~miql@ip98-165-114-148.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:56:19 milkpost [~dec@192.133.84.6] has joined #lisp 20:57:55 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@CPE-120-146-70-87.lns9.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Bye] 20:58:31 -!- banannagram is now known as bananagram 20:59:41 -!- knob [~knob@76.76.202.244] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:01:10 -!- Matt_S_G [~Matt_S_G@87.109.22.212] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1-rc1] 21:02:24 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.97.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:02:32 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.99.178] has joined #lisp 21:04:45 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-20-77.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:05:24 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-028-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:06:01 -!- benkard [~benkard@ppp-46-244-139-117.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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List looping: (loop for i in list) Array looping: (loop for i across array). 21:34:42 Myk267 [~myk@unaffiliated/myk267] has joined #lisp 21:34:56 guaqua: http://psg.com/~dlamkins/sl/chapter05.html http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/loop-for-black-belts.html 21:35:12 przl [~przlrkt@p5B29826A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 21:35:16 -!- sellout- [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:36:25 i picked up (loop for x being the elements of '(1 2 3) from here: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lcl50/loop/loop-50.html and it seems to work on sbcl but not on ccl 21:36:32 sellout- [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has joined #lisp 21:38:01 guaqua: Damn. I've honestly never seen a LOOP form like that. That's the Lispworks manual though, maybe they're using an extended loop? 21:38:03 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 21:38:03 powersurge [~powersurg@69.64.6.186] has joined #lisp 21:38:16 any recommendations for a common lisp orm? 21:38:29 elephant was the only one I've read articles about and it seems pretty solidly dead 21:38:45 ejbs: yeah :/ 21:38:48 clhs 2.9.1 21:38:48 Sorry, I couldn't find anything for 2.9.1. 21:39:34 (loop for x being the elements of '(1 2 3)) is TREE-EQUAL to (loop for x in '(1 2 3)) when macroexpanded in SBCL btw. 21:39:38 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B29826A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:39:50 hmm 21:40:47 guaqua: But anyway, read the links I linked. 21:40:48 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.99.178] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:41:24 i have a fairly elaborate loop setup right now :) 21:41:32 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.99.178] has joined #lisp 21:41:36 iterate seems nicer, though 21:41:42 a little bit of help from parens 21:41:43 -!- fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Quit: fsvehla] 21:43:05 can't substitute the being the elements of for in when i'm passing in a vector 21:43:07 powersurge: perec is the only serious one 21:43:28 thanks fe[nl]ix was having a difficult time filtering the old dead ones from the living ones 21:43:55 pleased to see that this: http://clsql.b9.com/changelog.html is still actively developed 21:44:06 guaqua: in doesnt work for vectors. 21:44:08 if I can't find an orm at least I can get a nice driver abstraction 21:44:11 guaqua: http://common-lisp.net/project/iterate/doc/Sequence-Iteration.html#Sequence-Iteration manual is your friend 21:44:14 guaqua: I know. Because you use "across" for vectors 21:44:40 in-sequence. let's see 21:45:25 except that it doesn't work 21:45:41 guaqua: Are you trying to use in-sequence with LOOP, or with ITERATE? 21:45:55 oh, that was iterate. sorry 21:46:14 for loop you use across, as is in the clhs 21:46:22 ... 21:46:31 guaqua: Confused? 21:47:00 like i have said multiple times, i'm looking for something that works over sequences. not only vectors and not only lists. 21:47:23 use iterate's in-sequence then 21:47:26 guaqua: Yeah, then you need ITERATE  loop doesnt have any generic sequence support for some reason. 21:47:29 i don't think loop has anything for general sequences 21:47:40 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 21:47:52 sellout-: sbcl's loop does have 21:48:03 it's not standard, though 21:48:05 and it's documented in lispworks' manual aswell 21:48:23 -!- ozzloy [~ozzloy@unaffiliated/ozzloy] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:48:23 guaqua: Still not in the standard! 21:48:25 -!- SanderM [~quassel@vhe-400104.sshn.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:48:57 guaqua: that's not the lispworks manual. that's liquid common lisp. dead implementation. 21:49:12 deader than arc 21:49:38 hey, 1996! 21:53:31 the in-sequence seems to work. thanks! 21:53:48 hmm clsql looks pretty damn decent 21:53:55 -!- ejbs [~user@h-210-240.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:54:30 ejbs [~user@h-210-240.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 21:55:10 what webservers are available for me to play with? is it just hunchentoot? it seems like it's just hunchentoot, heh 21:55:46 is there some kind of index that maintains which of these projects are still active and viable? 21:55:55 cliki doesn't seem to bother to keep up with its stuff 21:55:59 powersurge: This pretty cool dude whose name escapes me is currently working on Wookie - an async HTTP server 21:56:12 interesting 21:56:18 -!- spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:56:58 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ejohnson] 21:57:05 I wonder if quicklisp has a publicly accessible inde 21:57:07 x 21:57:15 powersurge: Found it. https://github.com/orthecreedence/wookie It started out as an async version of Hunchentoot. I'm pretty curious about it, hopefully it'll be speedy 21:57:43 mmm 21:57:46 powersurge: (quicklisp:system-list) 21:57:51 niiice 21:57:53 thanks 21:58:00 I kinda don't know what I'm doing, heh. Wee little lisp-ling 21:59:18 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:00:17 I wouldn't use Wookie though... If you want a web framework that's easy to use, then check out RESTAS, ningle or Caveman 22:00:52 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:01:03 yea, I saw RESTAS 22:01:10 that looks pretty neat 22:01:16 hadn't checked out ningle though, thanks 22:01:40 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@24.56.241.247] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:01:45 restas is based on hunchentoot 22:01:48 ningle+Caveman has the same author I believe 22:02:05 mmm 22:02:26 -!- powersurge [~powersurg@69.64.6.186] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 22:03:10 Apparently with Clack (that ningle & Caveman is based upon) you can use the FastCGI webserver too... But I dunno, I'm no webguy really 22:03:37 the only serious competitor to hunchentoot is probably hu.dwim.web-server 22:03:43 -!- jute [~Thunderbi@2.173.40.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:03:43 (in fact, I wouldn't consider myself to be any kind of guy, don't got the experience for that) 22:04:37 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Zzz] 22:04:45 you have some experience being a human, I presume 22:05:44 Kenjin [~kenjin@2.80.241.253] has joined #lisp 22:05:57 sellout-1 [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has joined #lisp 22:05:58 fe[nl]ix: That's where the "guy" part comes from ;-) 22:06:35 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 22:07:01 -!- sellout- [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:08:35 -!- hugod [~user@76.65.140.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:08:53 stardiviner [~quassel@122.236.254.215] has joined #lisp 22:10:11 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:13:47 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:15:10 mc40 [~mc@host86-148-141-128.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 22:17:07 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:17:08 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@41-135-197-102.dsl.mweb.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:20:10 -!- sellout-1 [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:20:30 -!- flubbjlubb [~ce21z09l@gateway/tor-sasl/flubbjlubb] has left #lisp 22:21:18 -!- bitonic [~user@176.27.229.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:21:52 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-4d0dc897.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:22:28 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:23:01 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:29:23 -!- mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Parting is such sweet sorrow...] 22:29:42 Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@177.224.212.10] has joined #lisp 22:29:47 ozzloy [~ozzloy@unaffiliated/ozzloy] has joined #lisp 22:30:00 -!- nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@wsip-68-15-43-240.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:18 -!- dtm` [~dtm@adsl-69-110-9-108.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:31:37 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@101.170.26.195] has joined #lisp 22:33:14 Bike [~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:33:34 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:33:46 -!- mc40 [~mc@host86-148-141-128.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: mc40] 22:33:53 hugod [~user@38.108.74.28] has joined #lisp 22:34:53 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:35:34 -!- GaryOak_ [465ab255@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.90.178.85] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:39:31 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:39:44 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:42:11 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-241-75-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:42:40 Hydan [~hydan@ip-89-103-110-5.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 22:42:54 -!- davazp [~user@92.251.211.108.threembb.ie] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46:28 Snamich [~Snamich@netblock-68-183-229-245.dslextreme.com] has joined #lisp 22:48:33 -!- ozzloy [~ozzloy@unaffiliated/ozzloy] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:53:25 Kabaka [kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #lisp 22:53:31 -!- ejbs [~user@h-210-240.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has left #lisp 22:53:32 -!- Kabaka [kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:54:43 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:54:59 cdidd [~cdidd@95-27-61-35.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 22:55:28 Mapleh [uid10029@trivialand/genius/maple] has joined #lisp 22:56:23 Kabaka [kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #lisp 22:57:01 -!- Nosceteipsum [~Nosceteip@d122130.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:07:07 -!- axion [~axion@lngdnd-ai02-74-214-211-129.utma.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:09:04 Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-158-45-47.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:10:54 -!- victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has quit [Quit: Leaving IRC - 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