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01:22:32 zRecursive: yes. 01:23:15 zRecursive: I think it is probably better to use some initialization to add meaningful symbols to cl:*features* and use #+ and #- as they are normally used, though. the initialization process could use anything -- environment variables, or something else. 01:23:48 '("Hi" #+#.(cl:if (cl:equal (ext:getenv "HOME") "/home/pjb") '(:and) '(:or)) "Pascal") 01:25:13 Xach: How can i add symbols to cl:*features* in stumpwm image ? 01:25:22 pjb: That is painfully ugly. 01:25:51 zRecursive: I don't know. By writing some CL code, probably. I don't know much about how stumpwm is initialized and structured. 01:25:51 #+ and #- are ugly to begin with. 01:25:56 *features* just a special variable referencing a list of sybols 01:26:18 pjb: No need to make it comically ugly, though. 01:26:31 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:26:31 feel free to push to it in your ~/.stumpwmrc or anywhere else 01:26:44 And anyways, what's ugly in qualified symbols? 01:27:05 if you want to go it before stumpwm is compiled then you'll need to try harder though 01:27:15 LiamH [~none@96.231.225.69] has joined #lisp 01:30:01 -!- solvip [~solvip@89-160-141-139.du.xdsl.is] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:32:14 What i want to solve is: #+(ext:getenv("MPD"))(load-module "mpd") ... 01:33:09 pjb: your code seems work 01:33:26 Xach: Just a quick suggestion. Perhaps have the URL field in https://github.com/xach/quickproject (the optional field under the description up in the header under "Create a CL project skeleton") link to http://www.xach.com/lisp/quickproject/ 01:33:38 no need to do that in the reader 01:34:28 Xach: There's no link from Github to that page (afaik) so I had to find it on Google. 01:34:31 zRecursive: (when (ext:getenv ("MPD")) (load-module "mpd"))? 01:34:35 (when (ext:getenv "MPD") (load-module "mpd")) 01:34:44 yea, like Bike said 01:34:50 aeth: The README links to the local docs. I'll update github, too. 01:35:05 Bike: elegant, thx 01:35:09 well, except without the part where you try to call a string 01:35:09 Thanks. 01:35:54 joshe: was guessing it was a macro or something *shrug* 01:37:08 stump doesn't do anything weird like that, it's just a lisp wm which loads ~/.stumpwmrc in a stumpwm-user package on startup 01:37:41 getenv isn't in stumpwm, though 01:37:56 it sure isn't 01:38:40 there may be some internal portable getenv wrapper, but I don't recall one off the top of my head 01:39:16 presumably there's an ext:getenv in zRecursive's lisp 01:39:53 joshe: yeah, (ext:getenv ...) works in CLISP 01:40:06 indeed 01:40:18 killsto [~killian@ip70-179-169-110.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:40:35 My stumpwm is built with CLISP-threaded 01:41:19 so Bike's code works 01:43:44 -!- two- [~1@c-67-171-131-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 01:45:17 normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 01:45:45 ChibaPet 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06:27:50 fenton: (:li sample-task) here 06:28:47 greto [~greto@ip-64-198-245-12.bromleyhall.com] has joined #lisp 06:30:46 Bike: ok lemme try that. 06:31:09 try what, i'm just telling you (macroexpand-1 '(task-macro sample-task)) works 06:36:38 -!- fenton [~fenton@m121-202-132-163.smartone.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:36:43 xan_ [~xan@205.158.58.41.ptr.us.xo.net] has joined #lisp 06:39:48 kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 06:40:35 zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 06:44:00 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:44:19 -!- Bike [~Glossina@75-164-175-225.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:45:16 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:45:55 Nosceteipsum [~Nosceteip@c217019.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #lisp 06:47:06 Joreji [~thomas@74-163.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 06:48:16 -!- 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I sat and pondered the google code jam 2013 last night. http://code.google.com/codejam/contest/2270488/dashboard#s=p2 for those who have not seem it. I poked at the palindrome problem, problem C, and encountered an oddity. I wrote a predicate that took some input and verified if it was a palindrome. But, since the problem stated you had to find squares as well I had to run the input through SQRT and then feeding 09:16:43 it to my predicate. So, the problem is that SQRT will return something like 3.0 and not 3. Naturally my predicate choked on that. Is there a nice and easy way to turn 3.0 into 3 that I'm overlooking? 09:17:13 -!- frodef [~frode@shevek.netfonds.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:18:44 newblue [~newblue@116.26.56.108] has joined #lisp 09:18:48 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-81.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:19:30 Cymew: casting the result of SQRT to int? 09:20:11 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-81.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:21:56 isqrt 09:21:58 Cymew: uh, well, format it as an integral 09:22:04 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:22:36 (but maybe you want to square numbers rather than take square roots of numbers?) 09:23:44 Krystof: the square is an input to the problem 09:24:00 -!- Tanami [~carnage@9ch.in] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:24:12 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 09:24:19 so? 09:24:31 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 09:25:54 -!- schjetne [~schjetne@fsf/member/schjetne] has quit [Quit: schjetne] 09:27:25 yes, you shall test an input integral number for two properties: 1. being a palindrome and 2. being the square of a palindrome 09:27:48 -!- harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-ewhmlpwvanidhbnc] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:28:28 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-028-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 09:29:36 -!- Joreji [~thomas@93-194.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:30:45 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@93-80-243-220.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:31:12 -!- Chaos`Eternal [~chaos@180.174.222.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:31:46 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:33:41 jewel [~jewel@105-236-178-137.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:34:03 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Quit: +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++] 09:34:09 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:36:32 ehu [~ehu@mail.zoodk.cz] has joined #lisp 09:36:48 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-81.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:38:08 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:38:41 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-81.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:39:05 kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 09:39:46 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 09:41:51 akovalenko [~user@195.18.46.21] has joined #lisp 09:42:29 spacefrogg: I remember casting from my painful days of doing C. I did try to use COERCE, but it didn't seemed to be able to do the casting the way I used uit. 09:42:43 ISQRT seems interesting 09:43:15 Looks like I have to write my own APROPOS that filters out all those odd packages I'm not looking for symbols in. That way I would have found it... 09:43:29 newblue_ [~newblue@113.84.202.104] has joined #lisp 09:44:04 Thanks for the feedback guys! 09:45:05 frodef [~frode@shevek.netfonds.no] has joined #lisp 09:45:56 Cymew: COERCE and casting are very different things. 09:46:25 -!- newblue [~newblue@116.26.56.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:46:30 casting is a bit like THE and a little like casting, I guess. 09:46:42 i mean coerce 09:47:17 Casting in C is a value transforming function. 09:47:23 Chaos`Eternal [~chaos@180.174.222.20] has joined #lisp 09:47:24 It's exactly like coerce. 09:48:24 Zhivago: Coerce does more than that. C.f. (COERCE "foo" 'list) 09:48:47 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:48:54 Looks like a value transforming function to me. 09:49:35 C's casts may not be so ambitious, but it's in the same ballpark. 09:49:36 Zhivago: In C, a cast never transforms the referent. 09:50:45 What do you think (int)1.4 does? 09:51:22 The simplest way to understand it is that for a given cast in C, a corresponding function could have been used. 09:51:27 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 09:51:39 -!- ehu [~ehu@mail.zoodk.cz] has quit [Quit: Bye] 09:52:04 Zhivago: 1.4 is not a reference, so its value is not a referent. 09:52:37 Then you're in trouble as C doesn't have references. 09:53:08 Zhivago: In C, there is only once kind of reference, the pointer. 09:53:19 Casts in C transform pointers. 09:53:28 right, but never the value that is pointed to 09:53:36 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-81.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:53:44 (unless you apply the cast on the underlying value, of course) 09:54:01 That determines the effective type of what is pointed at. 09:54:08 Zhivago: bingo 09:54:14 Zhivago: So we are in agreement :-) 09:54:24 I 09:54:31 I'm just being much more scrict in my definition. 09:54:34 strict 09:54:36 Well, I don't think that you have a point, so I may have missed it. 09:54:51 If your point is that C casts are value transforms, then we agree. 09:54:51 -!- bitonic [~user@151.225.13.74] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:54:53 Zhivago: No need to be snarky. 09:55:03 Zhivago: That is indeed my point 09:55:05 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-81.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:55:07 In which case C casts are like coerce, and nothing like the. 09:55:31 isn;t the just a compiler hnt? 09:55:32 hint 09:55:34 What confused me was where you were saying the opposite above. 09:55:41 'the' is a promise to the compiler. 09:55:55 It can take advantage of it, and you had better not break it. 09:56:14 Zhivago: coerce is much more capable. That said, the comparison is difficult at best, since C doesn't do implicit (re)allocations of objects 09:56:41 Zhivago: so I cant see how it's like a cast at all! 09:56:48 Zhivago: Ah, well. Here's what I meant: 09:57:26 jey: That's probably why I said "nothing like the". 09:57:49 Zhivago: then i'm in agreement 09:57:53 Zhivago: As you said, THE tells the compiler that you know what is behind X, and it can make use of that information. In C, a cast _of_a_pointer_ tells the compiler that you know what is behind, and if you're wrong, hell will (may) break loose. 09:58:51 So, they resemble themselves with respect to undefined behaviour resulting from misuse ... 09:58:54 Zhivago: I was (originally) only thinking of pointer casts, vs THE. Now, number casts in C are more like coerce, of course 09:59:00 Zhivago: Yep 09:59:19 I think that's confusing the consequence of abuse with the mechanism. 09:59:47 Zhivago: Perhaps. Possibly. 09:59:53 -!- MoALTz_ is now known as MoALTz 10:00:25 <[6502]> (THE ...) is more or less like (* ( *) &x ) in C 10:00:45 Zhivago: There is definitely a similarity though, since in both cases (assume SAFETY 0) the end result is that the compiler generates code that directly accesses memory in a certain format, based on information you have statically provided. 10:00:48 I think that's also a bad comparison. 10:01:07 The closest that I can think of to correspond with THE in C is a type declaration. 10:01:56 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-81.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:02:16 <[6502]> note also that accessing an object through a pointer after converting the type of the pointer is undefined behaviour in C 10:02:40 It depends on if the pointer is pointing to a suitable object or not. 10:03:06 -!- Chaos`Eternal [~chaos@180.174.222.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:03:23 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-81.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:03:25 <[6502]> only exceptions are char * and void * IIRC 10:03:36 Well, I think all of us knows exactly what THE (and COERCE) does, so we're just arguing semantics here anyway 10:03:52 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 10:04:06 [6502]: void *, yes. Is it really true for char * as well? 10:04:21 *loke_* can't remember and can't be bothered to look up the standard. 10:04:25 6502: No. Any case where it ends up pointing at a suitable object is fine. void * and char * are required to be have the representation, so they're always interchangeable, but that's different. 10:05:05 Zhivago: Well, the C standard only allows conversion from X->void*->X. 10:05:08 For example, you can cast a struct foo * to a struct bar * in a union containing both. 10:05:08 <[6502]> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/98650/what-is-the-strict-aliasing-rule 10:05:27 <[6502]> Zhivago: you can use a union, you cannot cast the pointer 10:05:58 <[6502]> Zhivago: the problem is that if the compiler sees a write through a pointer to type X it can assume this will not affect any object of type Y 10:06:17 6502: c99 6.3.2.3 #7 10:06:22 [6502]: Is Zhivago referring to the rule that says that you can cast a pointer to a struct to a pointer to its first element? 10:06:39 [6502]: I'm not entirely sure it applies to unions too. 10:07:07 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: ] 10:08:04 <[6502]> Zhivago: and accessing a member of the union for reading after writing another member of the union is also UB 10:08:06 Any data pointer can be converted to any other data pointer and back. It's malaligned you get UB. 10:08:37 6502: Not if it's for an element of a struct with a common element sequence prefix of the one you came from. 10:09:02 <[6502]> Zhivago: it's not about memory, it's about freedom assumed by the compiler about aliasing 10:09:10 I'm aware. 10:09:16 Zhivago: THat's not true though. You're only allowed to convert a pointer to void* and then back to _the_same_pointer_ (with a few exceptions). Even jyst doing the cast (without dereferencing the pointer) will yield UB. 10:09:47 <[6502]> Zhivago: since a certain version of GCC (can't remember which) the compiler started optimized aggressively on this and linux kernel code got serious problems 10:09:56 <[6502]> now it's compiled disabling strict aliasing 10:10:19 6502: 6.5.2.3 #5 10:10:45 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:11:09 loke: See c99 6.3.2.3 #7 10:11:11 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 10:12:52 Anyhow, if you want to talk about that more there's ##c. 10:13:03 Zhivago: Yes. I see it. Paragraph 7 right? 10:13:13 Yes. 10:13:24 Zhivago: This is interesting. I'm dead-sure the pre-99 standard said different. 10:16:54 -!- newblue_ [~newblue@113.84.202.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:26:01 -!- KDr2 [~KDr2@111.161.70.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:32:16 -!- p_l|omoikane [~pl@81-18-213-39.static.chello.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:33:16 p_l|omoikane [~pl@81-18-213-39.static.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 10:36:48 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.227.147] has joined #lisp 10:36:48 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.227.147] has quit [Changing host] 10:36:48 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 10:39:20 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-81.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:41:11 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-81.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:48:50 Hmm. Looking at the HS, it looks like you can not COERCE to an integer. What a loss. 10:51:09 Cymew: how do you want floating point values to integers? Round up, down, to nearest, arbitrarily? 10:52:06 *want to convert 10:52:29 xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-pnsgtyrmenwyhmxh] has joined #lisp 10:54:02 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:54:06 *loke_* always converts his floats to zero 10:54:23 (defun my-coerce (float-value) 0) 10:55:54 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-81.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:57:39 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-81.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:58:48 not very useful if they're all 0 10:59:04 btw, what's the difference between ' and ` in practice? 10:59:11 that ' can't be escaped? 10:59:44 newblue [~newblue@113.84.202.104] has joined #lisp 11:01:17 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 11:02:56 -!- totimkopf [~james@c-98-198-222-14.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:03:20 capisce: you need both for unquoting operations to go through quoting levels, and you need to mix quoting and unquoting to have fine control over nested quasiquotations. 11:03:33 ah 11:03:40 of course 11:04:02 to be able to do `('(a ,b c)) instead of `(`(a ,,b c)) ? 11:04:05 -!- newblue [~newblue@113.84.202.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:04:36 I can see that leading to cleaner code 11:04:44 danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:04:51 newblue [~newblue@113.84.202.104] has joined #lisp 11:05:23 stardiviner [~quassel@122.236.242.253] has joined #lisp 11:07:41 ,', most likely 11:09:44 with ,, you get double evaluation: the value bound to b is spliced in, and evaluated again to spice it in again. Quasiquote needs quote not just for convenience, but to be able to express useful patterns. 11:09:45 The current quoting semantics probably also stem from the fact that ' is older than ` 11:09:59 In Common Lisp, quasi-quotation is allowed to take place in the reader. There's no special-form based representation for quasi-quotation. 11:11:13 zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 11:11:16 -!- newblue [~newblue@113.84.202.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:11:23 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-81.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:13:05 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-81.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:14:22 -!- jonasac [~jonasac@li298-140.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me] 11:16:03 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:18:35 nilsi [~nilsi@student-247-220.eduroam.uu.se] has joined #lisp 11:19:52 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 11:20:28 dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-32-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:21:13 I want to try and query a database we have @work through clsql. I quickloaded clsql and when I do (clsql:connect '(my-odbc-server "user" "pass") :database-type :odbc)) I get the following error: [Microsoft][ODBC Driver Manager] Data source name not found and no default driver specified 11:21:13 [Condition of type CLSQL-SYS:SQL-DATABASE-ERROR]. Any tips? 11:31:01 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 11:32:33 xificurC: did you pass in whole DSN? 11:32:42 -!- syrinx [~quassel@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32:58 also, consider declaring the database in ODBC Manager and referring to it by the declared name 11:33:02 -!- gmcastil [~user@207-224-44-98.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:34:12 Speaking of COERCE. In reading the hyperspec on said function, I just realised that a function I recently wrote might be replaced by a single line... 11:34:21 easye` [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 11:34:22 Can I replace this function: http://paste.lisp.org/display/137047 11:34:54 with a single line of coerce? 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nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@c-76-119-140-75.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:47:41 hello, is there an emacs package that does *sane* common lisp indentation? i somehow couldn't get *loop* indention work right. i think i tried all related settings. 12:48:11 nan-: what do you consider sane for complex loop expressions? 12:48:22 -!- echo-are` [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:49:23 Well, it's a bit of an oxymoron. 12:49:34 Complex loop representation and sane, after all. 12:50:14 well i am after simple things like after a "do" i'd like a second level of indention 12:50:46 problem is i *sometimes* get it, sometimes don't 12:50:46 nan-: I think you can teach cl-indent (or slime's version of it) how to do that, but I don't know exactly how, sorry. 12:51:05 I solve the problem by not caring too much and not using loop+do a whole lot. 12:51:11 Not ideal for everyone. 12:52:59 Kenjin [~kenjin@gw-isr.deec.uc.pt] has joined #lisp 12:53:25 nilsi__ [~nilsi@student-247-220.eduroam.uu.se] has joined #lisp 12:53:34 How do I test symbols that were defined in separate packages for equality? 12:53:47 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@student-247-220.eduroam.uu.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:54:42 You could compare their names as strings ... 12:55:21 Zhivago: That's what I was thinking, I just wasn't sure if there was a more preferred way. 12:55:52 -!- jtza8_ [~jtza8@105-236-181-81.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:56:12 nahiluhmot: it depends a bit on what you mean by "defined in". 12:56:13 Xach: i wish i could be like that too 12:56:16 Well, the thing is that unless one package imports the symbol from the other ... 12:56:24 they're not the same symbol. 12:56:33 So, why do you want them to compare equal? 12:56:34 Distinct symbols with the same name are string=. 12:56:52 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:57:00 -!- stumbles 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I wouldn't have thought to try that! 12:57:59 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-81.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:00:32 milkpost [~dec@192.133.84.6] has joined #lisp 13:04:11 Depending on the situation, it can be better to arrange the package setup so that symbols you want to compare are the same exact symbol, eq. 13:04:21 But sometimes string= is also really what you want. 13:06:22 -!- Joreji [~thomas@67-019.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:06:23 -!- milkpost [~dec@192.133.84.6] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:11:37 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-81.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:11:37 przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has joined #lisp 13:15:40 loke [~elias@bb219-74-48-169.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 13:15:56 what is a concise way to partition a list into two lists based on a predicate, where one list contains the items for which the predicate returns, and the other list contains the rest? 13:16:00 -!- nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@c-76-119-140-75.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:16:31 -!- nilsi__ [~nilsi@student-247-220.eduroam.uu.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:17:07 H4ns: LOOP? 13:17:31 (loop for x in ... if ... collect into a else collect into b) 13:17:48 H4ns: I've had to do that a few times recently and resorted to remove-if and remove-if-not. i didn't care about performance, just brevity. i knew it was a short list. didn't look hard for an existing utility. 13:18:20 thanks! 13:18:23 I'd want to know what those lists were going to be used for later on, in order to decide. 13:19:26 Xach: By the way... I love your final comment on that c.l.l thread with that new troll :-) 13:19:41 new? 13:19:49 Maas? 13:20:03 well, I never saw that one before (the guy who can't use anything but a decade-old version of cmucl) 13:20:27 Maas has been writing the same story for over a decade. He is ill. 13:20:36 oh 13:21:04 similar kind of illness as WJ then 13:21:17 I wonder if they are the same then... 13:22:31 Speaking of trolls... How long has gavino been doing his thing? 13:22:54 6-7 years now 13:23:06 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:23:12 wow 13:23:35 What drives someone to keep doing that? 13:23:43 I wonder if cobol has the same problem. 13:23:54 Zhivago: somehow I doubt 13:24:06 Maybe APL... 13:24:15 loke: ... I am feeling uncharitable, so I suspect the same drive as certain politics 13:24:17 *loke* heads to c.l.c 13:24:21 I suspect that like being a flywheel decoupled from the universe, running out of control. 13:24:23 loke: I don't know what to call it. It seems like a defect but maybe it's just part of the rich spectrum of human activity. An annoying part, to me. 13:24:44 Xach: it's a fine line to thread 13:25:06 The lisp community being sufficiently sparse that no significant interaction is necessary, so quirks develop into obsessions unimpeded. 13:25:30 Mandus [~aasmundo@128.39.36.10] has joined #lisp 13:26:02 well, they do seem to have trolls... https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/alt.cobol/eBpB0X49VP4 13:26:24 I think that http://www.daedtech.com/how-developers-stop-learning-rise-of-the-expert-beginner might be relevant. 13:27:22 loke: ... I recommend keeping away from alt.* 13:27:42 there lies madness, and illegal stuff 13:27:48 -!- Mandus_ [~aasmundo@85.221.54.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:27:58 mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 13:28:09 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 13:28:10 *p_l|omoikane* guiltily hides his alt.sysadmin.recovery bookmark 13:28:23 hi 13:28:54 -!- loke [~elias@bb219-74-48-169.singnet.com.sg] has left #lisp 13:28:58 loke [~elias@bb219-74-48-169.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 13:30:01 -!- loke [~elias@bb219-74-48-169.singnet.com.sg] has left #lisp 13:30:04 loke [~elias@bb219-74-48-169.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 13:32:17 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@dhcp-217-193-wifi.yandex.net] has joined #lisp 13:32:54 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:38:08 Joreji [~thomas@67-019.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 13:39:03 loke_: FYI, I just found a whine from 1995 from Maas about his immenese talent and inability to find work. 13:40:59 Xach: there are probably earlier Robert's whines. 13:41:34 There's one from 1992 as well. crossposted into comp.lang.lisp and a dozen other groups. 13:41:45 przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has joined #lisp 13:45:26 Someone (tfeb?) had a page of the mad people of comp.lang.lisp that was somewhat tongue in cheek, but I think it wouldn't be a bad bit of info to provide. 13:47:56 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:48:02 d11wtq [~chris@124-148-163-108.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 13:49:03 (let (a b) (dolist (x list) (if (pred x) (push x a) (push x b))) (values (nreverse a) (nreverse b))) 13:49:13 Slightly longer than loke's version, but not much 13:49:59 I use loop a lot, but sometimes the older stuff works good 13:50:40 loke_: I don't think you can count on coerce that much. See the definition of recognizable subtype. Now, the four implementations where I tested (subtypep '(simple-array (unsigned-byte 8) (*)) 'vector) returned T and T, so that would work on them. But unless I'm wrong it may be conforming for an implementation to return T NIL, and therefore COERCE wouldn't work as you expect. 13:51:48 What would you guys call a version of SORT that doesn't modify the sequence to be sorted? 13:52:02 constructive-sort 13:52:25 sort* 13:52:53 adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 13:54:59 newblue [~newblue@113.84.202.104] has joined #lisp 13:56:44 przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has joined #lisp 13:57:31 -!- dhofer [~dhofer@2a02:1b8:0:7:922b:34ff:feaa:2ce2] has left #lisp 13:58:04 xan_ [~xan@205.158.58.41.ptr.us.xo.net] has joined #lisp 13:58:05 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 13:59:07 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:59:16 palter [~palter@c-75-68-177-225.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:59:49 sort-copied-seq (not really) 14:00:30 knob [~knob@76.76.202.244] has joined #lisp 14:00:37 how about sorted 14:01:01 -!- bind [~bind@unaffiliated/bind] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:01:04 hi luis 14:01:10 -!- lacedaemon is now known as fe[nl]ix 14:01:18 Don't be frightened of clear names. :) 14:01:24 dbh [~dbh@182.55.3.19] has joined #lisp 14:02:07 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@gw-isr.deec.uc.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:34 *bhyde* wonders  is there an atom or rss feed for comp.lang.lisp? 14:02:36 Zhivago: ?? 14:03:40 Well, if typing something like constructive-sort or copy-and-sort or ... is causing sufficient problems to prefer sort* or sorted or whatever, then you're probably typing too much and not thinking enough. :) 14:03:41 breakds [~breakds@ppp-70-226-167-124.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 14:05:07 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:05:27 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:06:16 nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-221-115.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 14:07:08 -!- newblue [~newblue@113.84.202.104] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:08:22 -!- davazp [~user@31.200.141.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:09:58 bhyde: you can get an NNTP feed from gmane.org 14:10:14 I seem to recall gmane may support rss too 14:11:58 Kenjin [~kenjin@gw-isr.deec.uc.pt] has joined #lisp 14:12:11 Does gmane provide usenet newsgroups? 14:13:29 drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 14:14:17 no. 14:15:44 Nope. It's just mailing lists to NNTP 14:15:51 brilliant idea, really 14:16:02 indeed, but not sure how it relates to the original question 14:16:13 ... 14:16:28 because... I was an idiot. Temporarily. 14:16:44 I'm better now. Hey, squirrel! 14:16:46 dlowe: Are you hyped for this week's boston lisp meeting? 14:16:53 eternal-september is still alive, I believe. 14:16:53 https://support.google.com/groups/answer/46384?hl=en looks hopeful, but I'm too lame to follow the directions 14:18:48 Xach: speaking of which: http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.org.boston 14:19:41 sweet 14:19:44 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-32-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:20:22 antgreen [~green@bas17-toronto63-3096725159.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 14:21:26 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:21:59 -!- palter [~palter@c-75-68-177-225.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: palter] 14:23:24 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Quit: restarting emacs] 14:24:23 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 14:24:28 milkpost [~dec@192.133.84.6] has joined #lisp 14:24:57 another clsql question: when I (clsql:list-tables) it shows foo_bar. When I try to query it it fails saying theres no such table as my-username.foo_bar but I know it's there under the name something.foo_bar. How can I find out what is 'something'? I don't understand this table hierarchy at all 14:26:16 -!- jaaso [~user@109.175.27.246] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:26:37 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-81.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:32:37 davazp [~user@31.200.141.24] has joined #lisp 14:32:58 Xach: I actually can't find any mention or reference to a BLM 14:33:03 -!- dbh [~dbh@182.55.3.19] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 14:34:01 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-165-216.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:36:26 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 14:36:48 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 14:38:30 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:39:11 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-81.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:41:31 nahiluhmot [~nahiluhmo@wsip-68-15-43-240.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 14:43:35 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 14:43:48 victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has joined #lisp 14:44:54 sellout [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has joined #lisp 14:46:02 the table foo_bar is actually present multiple times with different as something1.foo_bar and something2.foo_bar. But what do these refer to in the server? 14:47:04 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-81.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:49:23 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 14:49:48 databases? 14:50:01 also, each user may have his own database named after him. 14:50:23 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@dhcp-217-193-wifi.yandex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:50:53 -!- milosn [~milosn@user-5af50a8b.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:51:59 dlowe: trying to gin one up from thin air as I'm in town 14:52:09 milosn [~milosn@user-5af50a8b.broadband.tesco.net] has joined #lisp 14:53:13 Xach: Trying for tonight or later in the week? 14:53:21 -!- xorp [~xorp@ec2-50-16-219-79.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has left #lisp 14:54:42 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-81.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:55:27 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:55:58 pjb: how can I find out the names of the databases on the server? 14:56:21 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-81.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:56:21 Depends on the database. With mysql: mysqlshow 14:56:35 with postgresql, IIRC, there's a ,dl command. 14:57:23 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 14:57:35 dlowe: later would work better. wednesday probably ideal. 14:58:03 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:58:26 I can probably swing Wednesday 14:59:49 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 15:00:12 pjb: thanks, I am probably too dumb to give you the right details. All I know is that the database-type is odbc 15:00:24 and that im using clsql 15:00:55 Well, odbcl is an adapter for several backend databases. It seems you're using a Microsoft database, I don't know anything about Microsoft products. 15:01:43 Perhaps there's some GUI administration tool? 15:02:21 xificurC: what database backend / database are you connected to... if its microsoft, the owner is generally DBO by default 15:03:09 well theres odbc and db2 15:03:47 xifcurC: if its prefixed like that and its postgres `something` in `something.table_name` is a schema, if its microsoft its table owner 15:04:09 xificurC: never used db2 for anything before, but its probably owner or schema 15:05:04 I really just want to be able to at least list these owners or schemas from withing clsql or lisp in general 15:05:26 just like you can clsql:list-tables 15:05:27 xificurC: if db2 supports it, you can SELECT * FROM information_schema.tables 15:05:55 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-81.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:06:21 xificurC: or SELECT * FROM information_schema.schemata perhaps? 15:06:24 nyef [~nyef@c-50-157-244-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:06:54 thanks bobbysmith007, I'll try those tomorrow, gotta run now. If I fail I'll keep bugging you guys 15:06:57 thanks for the help! 15:07:01 xificurC, 'show databases' doesn't work? 15:07:44 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-81.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:07:46 rszeno: is that a command 15:08:04 yes, sql, i don't know how is in clsql 15:08:38 I'll look around tomorrow again 15:08:40 thanks 15:08:48 welcome 15:08:53 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-pnsgtyrmenwyhmxh] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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bhyde: you up for a Boston Lisp Dinner wednesday night? 17:34:47 I should email the list instead, I guess. 17:34:50 or in addition 17:36:36 Anyone with root access for common-lisp.net around? 17:38:02 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-222-103.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:38:07 antgreen [~green@out-on-224.wireless.telus.com] has joined #lisp 17:39:32 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-222-103.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:40:29 boston-lisp-dinner  wed  sure, that would be fun. Is Fare still up for providing ASDF schadenfreude? we should all bring chocolates 17:41:54 Fare is leaving Boston, but I don't know how soon. 17:42:02 Maybe he has already left! 17:42:11 -!- ivan4th [~user@smtp.igrade.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:42:46 whist [~whist@c-98-232-204-76.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:43:15 nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-221-115.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 17:43:35 that's very sad 17:43:47 k0001 [~k0001@host86.181-1-202.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 17:44:06 Xach: I think not until August  maybe. 17:44:45 Wednesday dinner? Where and when? 17:45:04 He's only going to nyc; just a 4 hour trip back to boston. Easily doable for a wednesday night dinner! 17:45:19 He's also leaving Lisp, and that's a harder trip back. 17:45:31 -!- brown` is now known as reb` 17:45:34 nyef: I'm in town this week, I thought it would be nice to gather, hadn't thought about it beyond that. 17:45:37 Xach: What?!? I didnt hear that part! 17:45:41 No one ever leaves Lisp. 17:45:51 someone will need to pick up the asdf mantle 17:45:52 I still can hope, can't I? 17:46:00 I dont know how Google will survive without him. 17:46:04 reb`: i would leave lisp for a sufficient amount of bonuses 17:46:35 nyef: I must confess some mary chung burnout, so maybe cbc or some other standby? 17:46:58 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.97.210] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:47:00 nyef: But I should really put it out to the mailing list and see if anything's already planned. 17:47:04 -!- Nosceteipsum [~Nosceteip@c217019.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:47:17 You have my vote for Not Mary Chung, FWIW. 17:47:32 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.97.210] has joined #lisp 17:47:34 Nosceteipsum [~Nosceteip@e177112045.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 17:47:36 I don't suppose you have that book, do you...? 17:49:07 -!- antgreen [~green@out-on-224.wireless.telus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 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cool. thanks Xach. 18:06:39 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-178-140-78-173.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #lisp 18:07:06 milkpost [~dec@192.133.84.6] has joined #lisp 18:07:15 bind [~bind@unaffiliated/bind] has joined #lisp 18:08:01 -!- xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-135-128.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:08:54 antifuchs: instant sig file entry :-) 18:09:03 (; 18:09:31 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host86.181-1-202.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:11:32 jute [~Thunderbi@2.173.40.60] has joined #lisp 18:12:20 davazp` [~user@31.200.136.254] has joined #lisp 18:13:43 -!- bind [~bind@unaffiliated/bind] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 18:14:05 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@aboc221.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:14:05 pnpuff [~Pachelbel@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:14:47 -!- davazp [~user@31.200.141.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:15:36 -!- jtza8 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20:26:13 twice? 20:26:29 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:26:53 k0001 [~k0001@host86.181-1-202.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 20:27:13 xan_ [~xan@50-0-90-96.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 20:28:14 -!- spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:28:30 Ralt: what-wha-what-what-what's it all about? 20:28:51 pretty cool 20:29:04 right? 20:29:12 stassats: that was a copy paste failure :P 20:29:18 eee [~user@c50-26-74-15.amrlcmtk01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #lisp 20:29:19 capisce: it's only elisp right now 20:29:26 but it could easily be extended 20:29:32 the guy is a regular in #emacs 20:29:43 Ralt: but why would i want to follow a random youtube video link? 20:30:21 ozzloy [~ozzloy@ozzloy.lifeafterking.org] has joined #lisp 20:30:22 -!- ozzloy [~ozzloy@ozzloy.lifeafterking.org] has quit [Changing host] 20:30:22 ozzloy [~ozzloy@unaffiliated/ozzloy] has joined #lisp 20:30:28 stassats: because it's quite awesome 20:30:36 says who? 20:30:39 stassats, it is "on the fly evaluation" in emacs lisp 20:30:42 can't you at least describe what's in there? 20:30:51 as you type an expression, it shows in the function definition the substitutions being made 20:31:09 stassats: meh, it's just a youtube link 20:32:53 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:33:03 -!- Amadiro [jonathri@dalvik.ping.uio.no] has quit [Excess Flood] 20:34:15 -!- antgreen [~green@out-on-243.wireless.telus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:34:43 satshabad [~satshabad@pool-173-58-100-240.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:35:30 Amadiro [jonathri@dalvik.ping.uio.no] has joined #lisp 20:36:23 Ralt: It's better to provide context. 20:36:42 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-81.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:36:43 Ralt: We get our share of spammers who drop in with a context-free link. 20:37:32 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:37:48 -!- agumonkey [~agu@19.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:41:32 Xach: come on, it's not like I'm a spammer. I'm usually just a noob. 20:41:58 Ralt: I would feel better if you said "Ok, next time I'll provide some info about the video" 20:42:25 Ralt: you just don't want people to visit it, it's ok 20:42:47 i don't mind, i didn't visit a million of other youtube videos today 20:42:47 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:42:49 agumonkey [~agu@19.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 20:42:50 Xach: oh, I surely will, seeing the reactions in here, I'm not insensitive :) 20:43:14 stassats: got it, got it :P 20:43:16 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 20:44:49 -!- MoALTz [~no@host86-142-160-154.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:45:40 -!- barryfm [~barryfm@fl-71-52-212-116.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has left #lisp 20:45:44 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-178-137.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:46:51 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 20:47:37 So I'm running an irc bot in sbcl with an ssl connection using iolib. It's pegged the cpu at 100%. The top two functions are pthread_sigmask and sigismember. 20:47:56 -!- pnpuff [~puccini@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:48:14 That's... neat. Threaded SBCL, and are you using threads? 20:49:16 sort of. the program is running in one thread, though 20:49:27 Hrm. 20:49:45 Is there a lot of interrupt (unix signal) handling going on? 20:50:11 Not unless iolib or openssl is doing it 20:52:20 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-178-140-78-173.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:52:26 As those are the two components that seem likely to be the cause of any such interrupt storm, it might be worth investigating. 20:52:59 -!- agumonkey [~agu@19.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:53:05 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.97.210] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20:53:06 Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-158-45-47.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:53:12 The reason I'm focusing on interrupt / signal handling is that pthread_sigmask and sigismember are used in the interrupt-handling path in the SBCL runtime. 20:53:21 are you using timeouts of some sort? 20:53:29 iolib uses them everywhere 20:53:32 -!- sdemarre [~serge@45.146-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:53:42 are they delivered through signals? 20:54:08 Dunno. stracing the process gives a flood of rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0 20:54:46 hm. this occurs after read(8, 0x6621f3, 5) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) 20:55:32 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-81.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:57:07 -!- ozzloy [~ozzloy@unaffiliated/ozzloy] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:59:54 -!- milkpost [~dec@192.133.84.6] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:00:54 that's quite odd 21:01:26 going to update to head and see if that fixes the issue 21:01:55 -!- clox [~user@rrcs-208-125-109-116.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02:54 josemanuel [~josemanue@77.228.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 21:04:46 MoALTz [~no@host86-142-160-154.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 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