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Can anyone help me? 00:47:15 is that on ECL? 00:47:42 emacs with clisp 00:47:44 on ubuntu 00:48:03 -!- youlysses [~youlysses@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Peace people! o/] 00:48:32 youlysses [~youlysses@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 00:51:40 JokesOnYou77: what is in your file? 00:53:40 Xach, the file I'm testing with is just a little script that I wrote to help compile and load files for a larger project. My college uses allegro/alisp and I'm just trying to run my files from class on my own machine :/ 00:55:15 JokesOnYou77: If it refers to allegro-specific packages, you will probably need to get allegro, or figure out how to port it over to clisp. 00:55:41 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@bl19-255-222.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:57:11 Xach, Ok, so I just wrote a really simple file and it compiled and loaded properly, I think I just need to be really careful about what I try and prot over. Thank you. I'll have to be careful how I write my code 01:00:35 Bike [~Glossina@65-100-33-110.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 01:06:18 good luck with it! 01:07:21 Xach, thank you. I think I've more or less got it working. Now my genetic programming won't languish once my class is over. 01:08:13 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:10:07 -!- Bike [~Glossina@65-100-33-110.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:10:48 JokesOnYou77: allegro has a free version: http://www.franz.com/downloads/clp/survey 01:11:37 pavelpenev, thank you. I'll take a look at that too 01:11:58 Bike [~Glossina@65-100-33-110.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 01:12:17 -!- Czechton [~Czechton@cpc4-oxfd23-2-0-cust877.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:12:17 JokesOnYou77: it's fairly limited though 01:12:38 in more senses of "fairly" than one 01:13:41 -!- agumonke1 [~agu@97.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:16:03 I figured out what was causing the problem! 01:16:38 I was trying to optimize compiler settings for recursion, but I don't even know if you can in this implementation 01:16:53 (setq compiler:tail-call-self-merge-switch t) 01:17:03 (setq compiler:tail-call-non-self-merge-switch t) 01:17:30 yeah, probably throw an #+allegro or whatever in front of those 01:17:50 ? 01:17:58 -!- PuercoPo` is now known as PuercoPop 01:18:18 that'll conditionalize the forms so that implementations that don't have those things don't try and fail to use them 01:18:43 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 01:19:35 is there a way to get a similar optimization with clisp and slime though? The most of the stuff I've written will blow up if it doesn't have that. 01:21:13 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Client Quit] 01:21:29 Or maybe I don't need them with slime since our allegro version is 9 years old? 01:21:57 Well slime's just the ide, for one thing 01:22:34 it looks like clisp does tail call elimination, maybe with high-ish optimization settings. have you already tried running these things in clisp only to see them fail? 01:23:57 not yet. Ive just forgotten to turn on those settings so many times in alisp that they're now in my script to compile and load files. I'll see if the old sudoku solver works without those switches 01:27:25 -!- vert2 [vert2@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rfamwecxfvrjnkcx] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:28:08 sw2wolf [~czsq888@171.217.0.188] has joined #lisp 01:30:24 -!- JokesOnYou77 [~Phaedrus@143.229.222.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:30:25 I feel ok when I get to write a tagbody. 01:37:14 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 01:38:40 Xach: Wow. I believe I onyl wrote one in my life :-) 01:38:53 and I did that in a vain attempt at optimising something 01:39:06 (turned out, LOOP was just as effective) 01:43:17 p_nathan1 [~Adium@76.178.163.213] has joined #lisp 01:46:08 -!- tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:46:32 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:50:25 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 01:50:49 cades [~mac@59-124-92-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 01:51:38 -!- ravster [~ravi@71-19-174-130.dedicated.allstream.net] has left #lisp 01:53:11 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 01:53:41 -!- youlysses [~youlysses@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:54:45 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 01:55:00 -!- ldionmarcil [~maden@unaffiliated/maden] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:00:01 sounds like a sad and empty life :~( 02:02:13 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:06:11 : ( I was just thinking that, xach. 02:10:29 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:11:48 loke could be a 12 y.o. 02:12:03 RenJuan: I wish 02:12:29 not committed to the lisp monoculture, whatever 02:12:45 s/the/a/ 02:13:22 RenJuan: how would by use of tagbody be affected by my committment to the monoculture? 02:14:13 in the case of that commitment you would be expected to have attitudes toward it evinced by others with same 02:14:21 without it less so 02:14:35 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-108-48-74-4.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:14:53 RenJuan: So do I? 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04:02:19 xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.202] has joined #lisp 04:03:17 -!- sdsl [~sdsl@bl16-150-217.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:03:26 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 04:03:39 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:05:49 -!- xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.202] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:06:55 xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.202] has joined #lisp 04:07:18 -!- agumonkey [~agu@97.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:08:09 takumi: depends. people tend to help here with questions (not problems, though). if you need to paste, then use http://paste.lisp.org/ and EU/USA daytime is more active here 04:09:33 -!- jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:09:54 MoALTz_ [~no@host86-142-160-154.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 04:10:49 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@c-66-229-185-165.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:11:04 takumi: we love meta here, but asking about asking may lead to an unwanted metacircular regression... :) this is a good essay on how to ask the smart way: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html 04:12:56 -!- MoALTz [~no@host86-142-160-154.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:14:40 mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has joined #lisp 04:15:13 -!- mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has quit [Client Quit] 04:15:23 mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has joined #lisp 04:15:23 -!- Bike [~Glossina@65-100-33-110.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:15:26 -!- yusup [~yusup@42.120.72.142] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 04:15:50 Bike [~Glossina@71-34-74-153.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 04:16:56 -!- xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.202] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 04:18:05 xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.202] has joined #lisp 04:21:17 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:27:15 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 04:28:36 -!- mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:30:06 Here is what i have, http://paste.lisp.org/+2XLF/1. its suposed to be a 4bit-adder but the return is wrong. i was hoping someone could explain what its doing. 04:32:56 walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:37:41 X99 [~quassel@218.77.14.202] has joined #lisp 04:38:09 -!- xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.202] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:39:48 b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@46.36.172.132] has joined #lisp 04:44:06 -!- erikc [~erikc@CPE00222d53fe78-CM00222d53fe75.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: erikc] 04:46:24 ecraven [~user@www.nexoid.at] has joined #lisp 04:46:54 nan_ [~user@46.197.112.181] has joined #lisp 04:49:55 -!- X99 [~quassel@218.77.14.202] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:51:15 xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.202] has joined #lisp 04:52:04 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 04:52:32 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 04:52:47 -!- KDr2 [~KDr2@117.39.95.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:54:11 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@78-0-236-214.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:54:34 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:56:15 Kenjin [~kenjin@bl19-255-222.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 04:58:29 -!- ldionmarcil [~maden@unaffiliated/maden] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:58:42 -!- kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has quit [] 05:00:29 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@bl19-255-222.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:01:26 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:01:42 -!- p_nathan1 [~Adium@76.178.163.213] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:05:42 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d012db0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 05:06:21 takumi: where is the definition of the xor function? 05:06:26 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 05:06:49 takumi: also, your code is hard to read because you do not use newlines and indentation to make it legible 05:08:05 takumi: did you even try to feed this to a compiler? it should give you error messages to help you find the problems. 05:11:15 it has been months i am using lisp and still i exit the application (not image), edit, recompile and then restart again... (dotimes (i 100) (format t "~& do NOT exit! ~a" i) 05:12:16 h4ns: xor was included in clisp,yes it runs fine just it dosnt retun what i expected it too 05:12:43 takumi: look at the last xor in your first function. 05:13:25 takumi: if you used a better compiler, you'd get better error messages. 05:14:07 h4ns: what do you recomend for windows? 05:14:30 takumi: sbcl 05:14:39 takumi: or lispworks 05:17:06 takumi: in any case, you need to learn and think more. there are obvious errors in your program that even a better compiler will not point you at 05:21:15 Harag [~Thunderbi@105.226.67.188] has joined #lisp 05:26:46 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 05:26:46 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 05:26:46 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 05:28:24 -!- b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@46.36.172.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:31:45 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:32:38 nan_: do you still often have to do it because of corruption, or only out of habit? If you're already used to managing symbols packages and all correctly, then perhaps a recommendation of mine would be to experiment with something that has to remain running, like a server, and try to accumulate uptime with it, something you'll be less inclined to restart and more inclined to "detach/attach" instead 05:34:31 other than symbols and packages, defvar/defparameter and clos features such as object updates become interesting things to experiment with in long running images 05:38:26 lukas_ [~lukas@194.228.13.205] has joined #lisp 05:38:49 -!- lukas_ is now known as Guest70376 05:39:51 phadthai: 90% of the time it is because of habit. i sometimes have to restart and those cases obvious. now i think about it maybe i should bind the "exit" key to some obscure key combination other than "escape" :) 05:40:04 -!- takumi [180ffbe4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.15.251.228] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:40:34 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 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good way to teach me not to exit :) 05:59:46 http://paste.lisp.org/display/136855 example lisp startup to launch swank for emacs to later connect 06:00:03 that can go in i.e. ~/.sbclrc ~/.eclrc etc 06:00:17 -!- Guthur [~user@eth2845.sa.adsl.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:01:06 hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 06:01:06 -!- hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 06:01:06 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 06:01:19 beware that this is a tcp port to control your image, if using a lan address any host in the lan could connect and control it, and if using 127.0.0.1 and local user also could 06:01:37 fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 06:01:37 s/and local/any local/ 06:02:10 the default will be 127.0.0.1 (or at least it used to be) 06:02:45 support for more secure unix AF_LOCAL would be nice but it's not yet implemented I think 06:03:53 bbl 06:04:31 -!- walter 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quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:18:21 spacebat [spacebat@50.56.189.236] has joined #lisp 07:18:54 -!- pierpa` [~user@host76-53-dynamic.50-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:19:28 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-22-23.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:19:51 can anybody point me to resources (tutorials or sample codes) regarding to AllegroCache (other than franz.com) 07:19:54 ? 07:20:11 i've tried google but with no luck 07:20:52 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-4d0b1769.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:21:12 hajovonta: was it inadequate? http://lisp-book.org/contents/chac.pdf seems to have some allegrocache code.. 07:22:24 yes i've already seen that - i have a specific problem listed here: http://lispforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4115 07:23:17 uhm.... 07:23:39 you need to bind it to something to use it... 07:23:40 i have to state that i'm relatively new to lisp - i am learning it only since 2011 :-) 07:24:35 yeah i figured that out - but i don't get the binding of objects from a database to symbols 07:25:18 (doclass (test 'test) ...) maybe... 07:25:23 i'm stuck because i believe this problem is very AllegroCache specific 07:26:21 i don\t see how it is acache specific, you need to load your database and bind things. 07:27:04 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 07:27:42 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #lisp 07:27:59 i have this: 07:28:04 CG-USER(51): *account* 07:28:04 # 07:28:35 this is because i made a direct bind with (setf *account* (make-instance 'account ... 07:29:02 but then when i restart lisp, i will not have *account* bound anymore and i can't figure out how it can be created 07:29:06 that creates a new instance everytime you evaluate the file. 07:29:13 yes but i don't want that 07:29:19 so you need to commit it, and then read it back from the cache. 07:29:45 (find-thingy-in-cache (setf *account* thingie)) 07:29:48 but how to read back? i need only one instance of account 07:30:05 yeah but allegrocache doesn't have (find-thingy-in-cache) :) 07:30:15 only (doclass) and (retrieve-from-index) 07:30:25 so use doclass 07:30:41 so i have this: (defclass account () 07:30:41 ((id :initarg :id :index :any-unique :reader id) 07:30:57 (doclass (o 'your-class) (setf *account* o)) 07:31:10 hm 07:31:59 wow, this works 07:32:02 thanks 07:32:07 or (retrive-from-index 'class-thingie 'something-or-other index) 07:32:31 it has a drawback though - now i have only one 'account but it may change in the future 07:32:34 zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 07:32:53 yes .. 07:33:10 things do change. 07:33:14 i have tried to put only one 'account with (setf *account* (make-instance 'account :id 0)) 07:33:23 then i have this :id 0 07:33:46 the idea was that i can retrieve this instance later with (retrieve-from-index 'account :id 0) 07:33:46 (retrive-from-index 'account 'id 0) maybe 07:33:52 'id ? 07:34:06 'maybe' 07:34:14 ;-) 07:34:20 yes thanks :) 07:34:29 you have my admiration 07:34:33 snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 07:35:06 i spent yesterday with this - now it transformed into a lesson :-) 07:35:30 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-34-74-153.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:35:48 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-190-111.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 07:36:13 i've never used acache... 07:36:39 varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 07:36:57 oudeis [~oudeis@2.55.127.107] has joined #lisp 07:37:00 (i still use statice which i ported to common lisp) 07:37:02 how long have you been programming lisp? 07:38:27 hajovonta: 30 something years 07:39:02 it is an unknown language here where i live 07:39:41 i'm sorry i didn't get a chance to meet it when i was a kid 07:39:49 i had BASIC 07:39:55 hajovonta: looks like you have internet there where you live 07:40:00 :-) 07:40:38 internet makes lisp-learning possible 07:41:07 when i was a kid, there were no internet 07:41:25 i think it makes any kind of learning possible, with all the wikipedia, khanacademy and online courses 07:41:35 we had those casette tapes we exchanged when we wanted to play new games 07:41:52 ZX spectrum? 07:41:55 yes 07:42:01 we had punchcards ... 07:42:10 i stumbled on a lisp for ZX spectrum once i think, and prolog 07:42:16 oh 07:42:19 was some programming language tape 07:42:31 i never heard of that :) 07:43:08 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:43:34 http://sites.computer.org/debull/88JUN-CD.pdf nice article on how statice works ...page 33 07:44:24 bitonic [~user@151.225.36.236] has joined #lisp 07:47:15 -!- Joreji [~thomas@73-016.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:47:23 kennyd [~kennyd@78-0-236-214.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 07:49:19 Kruppe [~user@93.90.164.99] has joined #lisp 07:51:11 hey, this is cool 07:51:18 what is Genera ? 07:51:26 "was" 07:51:41 it is "what was genera" - an ancient lisp operating system. 07:52:06 genera is something people used when you were toying with spectrum and casettes 07:53:00 right. i wished. and then i discovered that i could access them cool VAXen using my 300 baud acoustic coupler. :) 07:53:44 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genera_%28operating_system%29 that is/was genera 07:53:51 hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 07:54:22 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:57:28 it would be nice to see a common lisp machine with lisp operating system in vmware image 07:57:46 xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-21-199.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 08:02:17 -!- nialo [nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:02:54 Kenjin [~kenjin@193.136.206.220] has joined #lisp 08:03:47 nialo [nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 08:04:07 hajovonta: that would be illegal.. the copyright status for genera is uhm weird 08:04:39 :-) 08:05:08 how can i add objects to a list? 08:05:29 hajovonta: PUSH 08:06:12 hajovonta: or you can go and read an introductory material on the internet 08:06:26 jdz: taunts are welcome 08:06:35 :-) 08:06:36 apropos is also valuable 08:06:41 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756c11.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 08:07:14 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@2.55.127.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:07:29 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 08:07:47 nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 08:07:48 and M-. 08:11:26 elia [~elia@195.47.251.199] has joined #lisp 08:11:26 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:11:52 nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 08:13:55 -!- Kruppe [~user@93.90.164.99] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:14:55 Kruppe [~user@93.90.164.99] has joined #lisp 08:15:15 -!- Kruppe [~user@93.90.164.99] 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[~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:57:56 hajovonta: no, defclass defines a class and the accessors 08:58:18 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@2.55.119.152] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:58:20 hajovonta: contact support@franz.com 08:58:36 hajovonta: freenode is about free software support 08:58:39 i know. but when i read an object from the cache, it seems that i lose the class definitions 08:59:06 hajovonta: make-instance creates an object of type CLASS, defclass defines the type of objects, you must have done defclass. 09:01:05 Gooder`` [~user@218.69.12.194] has joined #lisp 09:05:12 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.83.126] has joined #lisp 09:05:26 -!- Gooder` [~user@192.200.155.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:07:20 -!- leo2007 [~leo@110.172.225.137] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.3.1] 09:10:53 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:11:14 hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] 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until i evaluate defclass again 10:57:32 hajovonta: ofcourse you can't 10:57:45 why? 10:57:45 hajo: You didn't read my question. Is there an account-balance function defined? 10:57:45 hajovonta: that is what defclass does, it defines a bunch of functions for accessing something of that class. 10:58:01 Zhivago: no, there isn't 10:58:05 Ok, good. 10:58:22 zorkmoid: make-instance creates an object, commit stores that object in your database. but you need defclass to access parts of that object. 10:58:23 -!- Hydan [90a0e235@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.160.226.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:58:41 talking to myself now... 10:58:51 zorkmoid: yes i understand 10:58:58 hajovonta: that was for you. i think you are confused as to what defclass does, and what make-instance does. 10:59:18 it's not make-instance. it's (retrieve-from-index) 10:59:40 hkBst_ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 10:59:40 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 10:59:40 hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 10:59:46 after i call retrieve-from-index, i can't use accessors anymore 10:59:58 i have to re-evaluate defclass 11:00:07 i want to see code. 11:00:28 because i don't believe you when you say you can't use accessors anymore after retrieve-from-index. 11:01:06 ok, the code is a mess now, but i will illustrate it for you in an example code. 11:01:15 no 11:01:25 i want actual code, that does what you say. ;-) 11:01:32 you will get it :) 11:02:25 -!- otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:04:03 -!- nialo [nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:04:15 Cymew [~user@fw01d.snowmen.se] has joined #lisp 11:04:27 nialo [nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 11:09:29 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 11:09:42 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:10:15 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 11:10:29 otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has joined #lisp 11:10:39 SanderM [~quassel@2001:610:180:1:e2cb:4eff:fe41:41d] has joined #lisp 11:11:06 dbh [~dbh@182.55.3.19] has joined #lisp 11:12:31 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:13:16 mm... pastie is down 11:14:19 -!- Kenjin_ [~kenjin@193.136.206.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:15:18 asvil [~user@91.151.182.109] has joined #lisp 11:17:15 hkBst_ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 11:17:15 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 11:17:15 hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 11:18:50 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:20:47 xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-sbdqarqokwdqpdzy] has joined #lisp 11:22:45 Kenjin [~kenjin@193.136.206.220] has joined #lisp 11:23:26 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.10.11] has joined #lisp 11:23:26 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.10.11] has quit [Changing host] 11:23:26 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 11:27:14 ehu [~ehu@31.138.221.29] has joined #lisp 11:27:18 -!- asvil [~user@91.151.182.109] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:29:51 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:32:02 przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has joined #lisp 11:36:51 -!- sdsl [~sdsl@bl16-150-217.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:38:39 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@CPE-124-183-184-43.lns17.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:39:42 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:41:27 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 11:41:36 -!- bitonic [~user@151.225.36.236] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:41:37 nan_` [~user@46.197.112.181] has joined #lisp 11:41:52 -!- nan_ [~user@46.197.112.181] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:42:04 bitonic [~user@151.225.36.236] has joined #lisp 11:42:46 walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:43:27 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@193.136.206.220] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:46:18 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 11:46:53 -!- scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:48:32 scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has joined #lisp 11:49:05 -!- dbh [~dbh@182.55.3.19] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - 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www.ntalk.de] 12:26:24 *H4ns* mailed the owner 12:26:38 ah, thanks H4ns 12:29:24 Not only cliki, also common-lisp.net 12:29:32 grimmthorn [~grim@unaffiliated/grimmthorn] has joined #lisp 12:31:38 wakeup [~user@xdsl-78-34-209-174.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:31:46 cliki is down :( 12:32:00 hkBst_ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 12:32:01 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 12:32:01 hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 12:32:26 I sure hope drewc delivers git-cliki soon ;) 12:32:44 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:33:59 c-l.net down too T_T 12:34:55 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 12:35:27 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:35:43 "the migration is running well" 12:36:31 why doesn't this work (compiles, but drops to debugger when I git the run-program line) http://pastie.org/7702649 (I would have used the lisp.org pastebin but it seems to be down) 12:37:12 Bear in mind, I'm a total newbie, just started learning Lisp for fun and profit :) 12:37:24 -!- EvW [~Thunderbi@a82-92-190-215.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:38:51 the error > The value FILENAME is not of type SEQUENCE. 12:39:30 LiamH [~none@129-2-129-147.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #lisp 12:40:37 grimmthorn: '(foo) does not evaluate foo, it is a list with one element, the symbol FOO 12:40:53 EvW [~Thunderbi@a82-92-190-215.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 12:41:37 grimmthorn: also, you should avoid creating lists with quote, unless it's a macro definition 12:41:39 grimmthorn: (list foo), on the other hand, does evaluate foo.. the expression evaluates to a list with one element, the value of the variable FOO (unless it's a symbol macro or anything weird like that) 12:41:43 I may have rushed into too complex parts of Lisp, I should get to learning basic stuff 12:41:54 Denommus: nonsense 12:42:17 All I wanted was to run a program with a few arguments, one of them beeing entered by hand. That's the way that I found it used in some examples, didn't give it much though tbh 12:42:20 thought* 12:42:58 -!- lukas__ [~lukas@194.228.13.205] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:47:19 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-22-23.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:47:50 -!- H4ns [hans@netzhansa.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:48:03 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:48:15 what migration? 12:48:28 normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 12:48:33 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:49:04 hkBst__ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 12:49:24 sdsl [~sdsl@bl15-74-38.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 12:49:38 H4ns [hans@netzhansa.com] has joined #lisp 12:50:00 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:50:45 sambio [~sambio@unaffiliated/sambio] has joined #lisp 12:51:08 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-190-111.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:51:28 Kenjin [~kenjin@193.136.206.140] has joined #lisp 12:52:40 H4ns: what migration if I may ask? 12:53:48 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:54:29 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 12:54:47 wakeup: from the old, working, useful common-lisp.net to what is there now. 12:56:44 -!- hkBst__ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:58:07 -!- MoALTz_ is now known as MoALTz 12:58:23 -!- sdsl [~sdsl@bl15-74-38.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:58:26 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:58:34 hkBst__ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 12:59:59 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-173-201.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 13:00:11 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 13:00:14 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.84.33] has joined #lisp 13:00:36 H4ns: any idea how far drew is with his plans for a vcs based cliki? 13:00:47 milkpost [~dec@192.133.84.6] has joined #lisp 13:00:59 I am really looking forward to being able to pull/push from/to cliki 13:00:59 wakeup: no. and i'm not interested. 13:01:28 why not? would make cliki much more functional for loads of people no? 13:01:38 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@194.141.47.12] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:58 wakeup: unwritten software has no bugs and executes at the speed of mouth. 13:02:01 -!- milkpost [~dec@192.133.84.6] has quit [Client Quit] 13:02:30 H4ns: of course. But e.g. a git backed wiki isn't something that 13:02:30 hasn't been donne 13:02:46 *shrug* 13:02:50 there is of course a performance/sclalability implication 13:03:25 what would you suggest? 13:03:44 Euthy [~euthy@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #lisp 13:04:14 *rszeno* something that realy work? 13:04:14 suggest? i'd suggest that you grab a cup of your favoured brew and start hacking. 13:04:41 as far as I know drew is working on something 13:05:25 I have made the experience of co-developing with him so I know Ill 13:05:25 let him do his thing for now and see what comes out of it 13:05:36 But so far we all can't work on our projects 13:05:51 is he behind the downtimes? 13:06:00 right now I don't know anything 13:06:11 just stuff I heard months ago 13:06:14 It certainly isn't me! 13:06:39 in any case, if you had pulled a decentralized cliki repo, we 13:06:39 wouldnt havre this situation :) 13:06:44 ehu: use git and hack away 13:07:14 mattrepl [~mattrepl@ip-64-134-41-159.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 13:07:44 przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has joined #lisp 13:07:51 -!- madsy [~madsy@fu/coder/madsy] has quit [Quit: hjem] 13:08:06 Jdz: we're not discussing my use of tools. 13:08:40 Besides, how does git perform as a mailing list? 13:09:25 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:10:38 true is the mailing lists have been going crazy the last weeks 13:10:46 I got mails I wasn't even supposed to get 13:10:54 -!- hkBst__ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:11:11 hkBst__ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 13:11:20 to others things, anyone going to els 13? 13:11:50 it sure looks im going full broke in madrid this year 13:12:15 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:12:53 I am going to ELS 2013 13:13:07 :) 13:13:26 sdsl [~sdsl@bl15-74-38.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 13:13:40 looking forward to meeting you 13:14:10 I can't wait to discuss CLX and CMUCL in person 13:14:24 -!- agumonkey [~agu@97.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:14:48 I haven't gotten much of an idea of both 13:14:57 Sorry, confused with someone else. 13:15:05 np 13:15:41 so far I am expecting a most interesting (while expensive) workshop :) 13:16:01 I am somewhat excited/nervous to be honest 13:16:02 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.84.33] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:16:05 -!- sdsl [~sdsl@bl15-74-38.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:16:38 about presenting my not-so-scientific work ;) 13:16:59 sdsl [~sdsl@bl15-74-38.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 13:18:34 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756c11.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:18:40 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:19:17 I gave a talk in front of Guy Steele about using lisp for lolcats 13:19:26 :) 13:19:34 he enjoyed? 13:19:42 what is a lolcat? 13:19:44 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.11.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:19:47 Not sure. I was ver nervous also. 13:20:04 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolcat 13:20:07 I am basically going to go mad with primitive sound/signal synthesis 13:20:12 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has quit [Quit: normanrichards] 13:20:59 cute cat 13:21:10 Like "Loook, this is how I manage to generate weird noises with no 13:21:10 use but amusement whatsovever..." 13:21:16 -!- sdsl [~sdsl@bl15-74-38.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Client Quit] 13:22:28 davazp [~user@92.251.245.207.threembb.ie] has joined #lisp 13:23:04 -!- Jubb [~Jubb@pool-108-28-62-61.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:23:37 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Bacteria] 13:24:36 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.203.95] has joined #lisp 13:25:03 back to cliki/common-lisp.net: does anybody know whats happing right now? 13:25:23 wakeup: I don't think so. 13:25:48 -!- grimmthorn [~grim@unaffiliated/grimmthorn] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:26:13 mindCrime_ [~prhodes@12.198.68.2] has joined #lisp 13:27:24 adeht: why would it be nonsense? Quoting allows unexpected side-effects, which should be avoided 13:28:30 Denommus: what unexpected side effects do you mean? 13:28:43 -!- danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:30:05 hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@46.233.203.95] has joined #lisp 13:30:06 -!- LiamH [~none@129-2-129-147.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:31:12 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.203.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:31:28 sdsl [~sdsl@a95-92-86-215.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 13:33:47 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-64-86.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:34:35 -!- hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@46.233.203.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:34:42 -!- setmeaway [~setmeaway@119.201.52.138] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:36:03 ahungry [~null@66.184.106.97] has joined #lisp 13:36:46 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-143-168.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:37:24 only thing i can think of is forgetting a ' ... 13:37:37 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 13:39:05 -!- elia [~elia@195.47.251.199] has quit [Quit: (IRC Client: textualapp.com)] 13:39:30 elia [~elia@195.47.251.181] has joined #lisp 13:40:42 -!- _d3f [~gnu@nl2.ovpn.to] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 13:43:58 cades [~mac@host-61-70-191-50.static.kbtelecom.net] has joined #lisp 13:44:09 hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@46.233.235.143] has joined #lisp 13:45:08 Denommus: unexpected file effects are orthogonal to quoting, you could get them as well without quoting. 13:45:36 (defvar *m* (list 1 2 3)) (defun f (x) (delete x *m*)) is as bad as (defun f (x) (delete x '(1 2 3))). 13:47:19 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:57:31 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@193.136.206.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:57:49 Kenjin [~kenjin@gw-isr.deec.uc.pt] has joined #lisp 13:59:27 pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 14:00:26 -!- bind [~bind@D57DEC5A.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:00:31 weird, i get charset wrong or so on trying to start mcclim based apps sometimes..... 14:00:42 it's totally random tho..... 14:01:03 had to start sbcl two or three times, and now it's ok.... 14:01:26 wbooze: intresting, could you debug that? i've seen something similar last week 14:01:30 antonv [5d7d2a66@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.102] has joined #lisp 14:01:31 showing things like d as k 14:01:33 but was unable to reprorudce it 14:01:38 but i think it' 14:01:46 it's only showing/printing.... 14:01:53 the reference is valid! 14:02:13 i:e. even tho it prints the wrong filename, i can open that file which i meant pretty fine.... 14:02:39 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 14:02:43 seems to be rather clx related i would say....i'm not sure.... 14:02:47 wbooze: mm.. a user reported that to me, really werid, couldn't reproduce it at all.... 14:02:53 can't reproduce it reliably too 14:03:12 nod 14:03:14 and i'm not sure if it's caching issues.... 14:03:41 cause i have two sbcl instances running, i start beirc from one and my devel env (listener, climacs) from the other.... 14:03:41 wbooze: what programs is it manifesting in? 14:04:01 mostly mcclim stuff 14:04:13 wbooze: mm.. propietery univ stuff here. 14:04:16 menus in the 14:04:31 listener and climacs are shown garbled sometimes.... 14:04:59 and that's when it mostly prints things false too.... 14:05:09 but does not happen always.... 14:05:25 sometimes the menus are drawn just ok, you can read them fine i mean.... 14:05:55 interesting interesting 14:06:07 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:07:35 wbooze: are youworking on climacs? 14:07:51 not officially 14:07:58 for myself mostly 14:08:15 nice, clim has sadly fallen in disue... no idea why, it is a nice way to write stuff. 14:08:41 mcclim is incredibly buggy 14:08:48 well, it takes it's time to learn things....and getting there is not so easy....and tweaking things also.... 14:08:48 dbh [~user@182.55.3.19] has joined #lisp 14:08:59 yes it's buggy 14:09:06 but worky too .... 14:09:20 really need to publish my fixes someday ... 14:09:26 in some respect it really good, tho some things just don't work..... 14:09:43 if you don't mind them or think you can fix then you can do so... 14:09:49 them* 14:09:52 i think somsone was working on a clim3 thing 14:09:57 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 14:10:05 yes i heard it too 14:10:12 but no idea who the people are 14:10:18 protist [~protist@213.172.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has joined #lisp 14:10:39 loke_erc [~user@bb119-74-80-38.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 14:11:17 https://github.com/robert-strandh/CLIMatis\ 14:11:19 it hink 14:12:42 -!- __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:12:42 natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 14:13:15 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 14:13:48 -!- sdsl [~sdsl@a95-92-86-215.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: sdsl] 14:14:44 http://dept-info.labri.fr/~strandh/CLIM-3.git/ 14:14:56 no activity since like forever, though 14:14:57 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 14:14:58 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:15:33 __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:17:04 oh, one can check that out ? 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14:52:00 if you have 3 sbcl repls up, then you need 3 distinct features ofc.... 14:52:14 just an idea, dunno if there's a better way.... 14:52:27 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 14:52:55 put the features right from the start of your init file.... 14:53:12 and maybe divert your init files too.... 14:53:14 ehu` [~ehu@31.137.147.135] has joined #lisp 14:53:29 init-> init1, init2, init3 14:53:56 that's what i do actually, tho i didn't change my prompt.... 14:54:18 my use case 14:54:26 is one local connection and 2 remote connections 14:54:27 so i didn't use the features list.....but i'm loading different set of libs.... 14:54:42 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.83.126] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:54:48 dunno, maybe there's a slime way... 14:54:51 at times I don't know which one I'm typing in lol 14:55:01 wait, and ask later again or so... 14:55:08 :) 14:55:11 -!- Bike [~Glossina@174-25-50-45.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:55:14 I think a simple visual queue would be enough 14:55:27 in the repl prompt or something 14:55:27 Bike [~Glossina@174-25-50-45.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 14:55:48 maybe Bike knows :P 14:56:13 s/queue/cue 14:56:13 lol 14:56:31 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.83.126] has joined #lisp 14:56:51 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 14:56:55 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:57:24 __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:57:32 i usually print machine-version lisp-implementation-type machine-type and lisp-implementation-version at the start 14:57:37 Kenjin: are you starting a swank server for emacs / slime or for a swank client? 14:58:41 not sure what your are asking. For emacs/slime I suppose 14:59:10 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 14:59:12 I'm working on my machine and have my local slime connection on emacs 14:59:25 I have a swank server running on each of the remote machines 14:59:31 and connect to them from emacs 14:59:35 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-168-246.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 15:00:38 ah, good topic, how to prepare an application image (ala buildapp) and have it run in the background in a way that allow for attaching Slime to it? 15:01:10 a #! sbcl --script solution would be enough for me here, in fact 15:01:13 wouldn't a (swank:create-server) somewhere be enough? :p 15:01:28 dim: what problems do you encounter? 15:01:46 I don't know how to do it. links to the fine manual? 15:01:58 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:02:06 dnolen [~user@cpe-72-225-195-95.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:02:19 I was wondering what would be the best way to distinguish multiple connections 15:02:34 rudi [~rudi@1x-193-157-202-239.uio.no] has joined #lisp 15:03:15 dim: you don't know what to do specifically? 15:03:29 -!- __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:03:36 exactly 15:03:48 I only ever started a lisp image via M-x slime 15:04:05 I don't know how to attach to an already running one, and what steps I need to do for that to be possible 15:04:20 mmm, you're going to tell me it's well covered in the slime manual? :) 15:04:43 Kenjin: might well be yes, I have to test that it seems 15:04:44 dim: M-x slime-connect will connect to an existing one. 15:04:45 dim: M-x slime-connnect lets you specify the host and port 15:05:19 reading manuals? what a terrible idea! 15:05:28 cool, so I (ql:quickload :swank) then (swank:create-server :port 12345) and off I go? 15:05:35 dim: for my remote connections I do (swank:create-server :port 1234 :style :spawn :dont-close t) 15:06:16 Kenjin: if you connect to different lisp running from emacs/slime, there is a unique name for each emacs buffer 15:06:28 here I would just do local connection I think 15:06:31 then from my machine I ssh to the remote host -- ssh 1234:localhost:1234 user@host 15:06:34 ups 15:06:41 but for other projects adding a remote connection would be awesome 15:06:46 ssh -L 1234:localhost:1234 user@host 15:06:53 then from emacs M-x slime-connect 15:07:02 yeah -L, or set it in the ~/.ssh/config, even better (I think) 15:07:08 with given port and host 15:07:25 -!- SanderM [~quassel@2001:610:180:1:e2cb:4eff:fe41:41d] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:07:45 pnpuff: indeed. But that is not very distinctive. 15:08:23 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 15:09:15 at a first glance I'd say a visual cue, like prepend the host to the slime REPL or something, would stand out more 15:09:52 maybe that would "polute" the REPL? Just thinking out loud. 15:10:25 I know I can just hack that, but was wondering if there's something people use 15:12:00 b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@46.36.172.132] has joined #lisp 15:12:27 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:12:35 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 15:13:00 Kenjin: is possible to change the name of the emacs buffer after the slime connection to a swank server running remotly? 15:13:37 pnpuff: possible I'm sure it is :P 15:14:12 M-x rename-buffer should id 15:14:16 should do 15:14:24 __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:14:46 Kenjin: so, what is the problem? 15:15:11 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-71.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:15:38 rrradical [~rrradical@209-6-197-118.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 15:15:47 pnpuff: no problem. Just asking what might be the best way and what people use. 15:16:09 the best way is to modify how slime names the connection 15:16:13 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:16:26 -!- milkpost [~dec@192.133.84.6] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:16:47 I'll take a look at renaming the buffer. Would like to fiddle with the REPL prompt too though. 15:16:54 adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 15:16:58 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-71.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:16:59 -!- loke_erc [~user@bb119-74-80-38.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:17:03 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:17:10 hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 15:17:10 -!- hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 15:17:10 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 15:18:31 -!- sambio is now known as natalianatalia 15:18:35 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-72-225-195-95.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:19:34 adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 15:20:36 bind [~bind@5ED5B26C.cm-7-6c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lisp 15:21:19 milkpost [~dec@192.133.84.6] has joined #lisp 15:22:58 dim: for reference http://common-lisp.net/project/slime/doc/html/Connecting-to-a-remote-lisp.html 15:23:29 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756c11.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 15:23:34 thanks a lot! 15:24:19 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-168-246.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:25:08 -!- wakeup [~user@xdsl-78-34-209-174.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:28:05 -!- rudi [~rudi@1x-193-157-202-239.uio.no] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:28:19 smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has joined #lisp 15:30:03 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 15:30:47 bhyde [~bhyde@50.145.182.183] has joined #lisp 15:30:49 xcombelle_ [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-120-170.w92-156.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 15:33:21 -!- xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-21-199.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:34:45 -!- ehu [~ehu@31.138.221.29] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:34:45 -!- milkpost [~dec@192.133.84.6] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:35:01 ehu [~ehu@31.138.221.29] has joined #lisp 15:35:17 pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has joined #lisp 15:35:37 -!- hitecnologys1 is now known as hitecnologys 15:36:20 AH! Nice. Exactly what I needed :) http://wandrian.net/2012-02-15-2118-hostname-display-in-slime.html 15:36:31 -!- ehu` [~ehu@31.137.147.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:36:48 -!- natalianatalia [~sambio@unaffiliated/sambio] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:37:50 sambio [~sambio@unaffiliated/sambio] has joined #lisp 15:38:11 When I use C, I know when I modify value of variable, pointer to it or just local function variable. When I use lisp, it's not very obvious sometimes. Is there a way to check what I'm modifying by side effects? 15:38:38 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@50.145.182.183] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 15:38:45 it's the same in lisp 15:38:53 Lisp have pointers? 15:38:55 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #lisp 15:39:06 I mean special syntax for them? 15:39:27 (let s (func returning something) pointer ? 15:39:27 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:39:48 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:39:48 (do-seomthing-with s) reference ? 15:40:08 wbooze: sure, but (defun hello (list) (is list a pointer?)) 15:40:18 it is a binding 15:40:30 So if I modify list then I modify argument? 15:40:38 yes 15:40:42 if it makes you feel better, consider everything a pointer 15:40:46 don't mod what you pass as arg 15:40:56 don't modify literal data. 15:41:13 milkpost [~dec@192.133.84.6] has joined #lisp 15:41:43 Ok, thanks for answers. 15:41:50 hitecnologys: what do you mean "modify list"? 15:41:52 by 15:42:04 stassats: setf it, for example? 15:42:14 the variable? 15:42:15 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-71.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:42:21 stassats: sure. 15:42:27 it will modify the value of that variable 15:42:57 (defun test (list) (setf test 1)) (test somevar) will set somevar to 1? 15:43:04 no 15:43:07 -!- spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:43:17 Ah, now I'm confused. Again. 15:43:24 your code will blow up the stack 15:43:28 or loop endlessly 15:43:36 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-71.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:43:41 Ah, damn. 15:43:47 (setf list 1) ? 15:43:50 (detf test (list) (setf list 1)) 15:43:53 erikc [~erikc@209.20.28.194] has joined #lisp 15:43:56 My mistake, sorry. 15:43:56 was your question :p 15:44:20 LiamH [~none@aes048148.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 15:44:20 the value of variable (binding) will change to 1, the previous value will be unchanged 15:44:26 the LIST variable is created anew each time you call TEST 15:45:02 Is there any way to modify variable passed to TEST (somevar) inside TEST? 15:45:07 no 15:45:13 Weird. 15:45:17 no 15:45:45 hitecnologys: you can't do that in C, either 15:45:58 both C and Lisp are pass-by-value 15:46:01 jdz: I can if I pass a pointer. 15:46:15 hitecnologys: it's not the same as modifying a variable 15:46:18 -!- zorkmoid [c2ed8e07@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.237.142.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:46:25 hitecnologys: not really 15:46:49 adeht: why? 15:47:08 hitecnologys: int foo = 123; your_function(foo); assert(foo == 123); <- won't fail 15:47:31 -!- ehu [~ehu@31.138.221.29] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:47:36 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:47:37 hitecnologys: if you want a pointer, void *foo = 0; ... assert(foo == 0); 15:47:42 hitecnologys: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!search/comp.lang.lisp$20pascal$20bourguignon$20defmacro$20deref/comp.lang.lisp/cCVx119BztY/WMI3Kh60gyEJ 15:48:11 adeht: I mean pass a pointer by &variable. 15:48:39 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-230.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 15:49:20 -!- LiamH [~none@aes048148.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:49:25 you need to let go of this pointer notion. 15:49:38 hitecnologys: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!search/comp.lang.lisp$20pascal$20bourguignon$20defmacro$20deref/comp.lang.lisp/cCVx119BztY/WMI3Kh60gyEJ 15:49:47 or realize that it's just a closure. 15:50:20 hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@46.233.201.122] has joined #lisp 15:50:41 hitecnologys: this pointer still won't change. you can think of fn(&foo); as creating a pointer for fn to use, discarding it after fn returns 15:51:18 adeht: I can use *some_var_in_function to do this kind of magic 15:51:48 hitecnologys: this doesn't change the pointer, it changes the object that it points to 15:52:13 adeht: that's exactly what I meant by modifying variable 15:52:17 hitecnologys: (or rather, references it.. but I suppose you're talking about something like *foo = 123) 15:52:18 hitecnologys(shadow '*) (defun times (&rest args) (apply 'cl:* args) (defmacro * (address) `(deref ,address)) 15:52:54 ogamita: I know I could easily implement pointers, but I was just curious if CL already have ones 15:53:17 (defun f (xp yp) (setf (* xp) (times (* xp) (* yp)))) (let ((x 2) (y 3)) (f (& x) (& y)) x) --> 6 15:53:30 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: perpetual darkness] 15:53:38 hitecnologys: yes it already has them, since I implemented them in that usenet post! 15:53:57 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.235.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:54:19 hitecnologys: so you need to choose your terms more carefully 15:54:31 weird i can't get to the locatives page.... 15:54:42 adeht: sorry, my fault 15:54:55 -!- hitecnologys1 is now known as hitecnologys 15:55:14 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:55:23 Thanks everyone again. 15:56:15 -!- bind [~bind@5ED5B26C.cm-7-6c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:56:42 tsuru` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-31-140.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 15:56:53 -!- GOMADWarrior [~Regis@189.34.44.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 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sensible arm lisp? google suggests clozure common lisp might work. 16:10:12 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:10:21 it does work 16:10:22 mstevens|grumpy: it does 16:11:11 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-71.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:11:26 -!- milkpost [~dec@192.133.84.6] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:11:38 ECL probably does, too. 16:11:47 clisp runs everywhere there's a reasonable C compiler. 16:12:15 I think ECL might be more portable of the two 16:12:25 mstevens|grumpy: i have ccl on Raspberry Pi though I have not done much with it 16:12:43 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.20.27.23] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:12:55 nicdev: sounds good 16:13:44 *nicdev* need to get his installation updated and try to buil 16:14:23 mstevens|grumpy: https://plus.google.com/101795849587139859288/posts 16:15:02 ehu [~ehu@31.138.221.29] has joined #lisp 16:15:39 nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] 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19:01:26 -!- cojedordefrutos [~sambio@unaffiliated/sambio] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:01:37 sambio [~sambio@unaffiliated/sambio] has joined #lisp 19:02:00 Why are hash-table tests limited to EQ, EQL, EQUAL, or EQUALP? 19:02:16 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:02:49 try sb-ext:define-hash-table-test 19:03:02 -!- sambio [~sambio@unaffiliated/sambio] has quit [Client Quit] 19:03:50 Bike: Thanks, but I'm on LW. I'm sure there's an equivalent, I'm just wondering why only those 4 tests were considered in the standard. 19:03:53 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.99.171] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:02 dunno, really. maybe there's an old email thread screaming about it. 19:05:46 hey guys, with clsql how do I establish more than 1 db connection 19:06:09 ThomasH: and yeah, looks like lw's make-hash-table takes a hash-function argument. 19:06:42 So does CCL, but, strangely, it requires the test and hash-function to be symbols in that case 19:07:15 cosmos72|2 [~kvirc@dynamic-adsl-78-12-96-162.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 19:07:40 -!- cosmos72|2 is now known as cosmos72 19:09:00 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:09:00 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 19:11:13 elia [~elia@2-238-29-218.ip242.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 19:12:01 The key needs to encapsulate 7 values. The expedient solution is to generate a string from the values and use that. Or, I could create some multi-level hash. Both of those approaches seem crude. 19:12:38 ThomasH: because a standard library cannot implement all the algorithms and data structures that all the applications will ever need. 19:13:34 pjb: As described in the Pitman essay on EQUAL? 19:14:29 For example. 19:14:56 A vector or a list of those values and an equalp hash-table would work nicely I think. 19:16:02 Otherwise, if you can write a 1-1function mapping those 7 values to a single simple one (a number or a symbol), then an EQL hash-table would do. 19:16:54 pjb: I think you're right. I'm reading data from a file. Some of the values are floats, but instead of actually reading them as floats, I could keep all 7 values as strings, use and EQUALP on a vector of the strings. 19:17:34 Yes, but I would expect an equalp hash-table on vectors of floats to work better. 19:17:42 sdemarre [~serge@9.164-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 19:17:55 I'd expect sxhash to work more nicely on floats than on their textual representation. 19:19:32 you can have something like a (defstruct customized-hash-table standard-table key-function) with the appropriate interface 19:19:44 pjb: Not all seven values are floats and I'm paranoid about the text consistently getting converted to the same float representation. There's no reason it shouldn't but that would be hard to find that error. 19:20:41 Well, just try it: (sxhash (vector a b c d e f g)) on all your data, and see how well or badly distributed it is. 19:21:11 -!- zolk3ri [~Zol1ka@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has left #lisp 19:21:45 drewc [~drewc@50.7.166.100] has joined #lisp 19:22:23 -!- milkpost [~dec@192.133.84.6] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:25:19 It returned 91, I wish it had returned 42. 19:25:43 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:26:02 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:26:25 ccorn [~ccorn@i52104.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 19:26:34 I'll run with that approach for now. If I get weird errors, I know where to look. 19:26:35 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 19:26:37 Thanks. 19:27:22 nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 19:27:33 Joreji [~thomas@81-157.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 19:27:51 GOMADWarrior [~Regis@189.34.44.144] has joined #lisp 19:27:57 -!- sdsl [~sdsl@5.254.132.210] has quit [Quit: sdsl] 19:28:13 why? it's about 116% better :) 19:28:15 milkpost [~dec@192.133.84.6] has joined #lisp 19:28:54 :-) 19:29:45 I have a question about compiling Common Lisp code. After writing a Common Lisp library and submitting it to Quicklisp for inclusion, Quicklisp maintainer reported that the build fails with a WARNING - which I actually inserted intentionally - but I naively thought WARN was not a fatal error even if uncaught. 19:30:12 How can I reproduce (in order to fix) all this fatal errors in build process Quicklisp, if for my SBCL they are not fatal at all? I guess I am missing something... 19:31:09 cosmos72: i think Xach just uses a recent sbcl to test 19:31:48 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5DCA3092.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:31:49 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:32:21 cosmos72: asdf fails the build on warnings, by default. 19:32:27 Bike: I thought that too. I am using SBCL 1.1.6, which seems the latest version on x86_64, and still get this difference 19:33:13 pkhuong: so I should build directly with asdf, not with something like (ql:quickload "...") 19:33:31 -!- Joreji [~thomas@81-157.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:33:43 cosmos72: quicklisp builds with asdf. 19:33:47 sdsl [~sdsl@bl16-150-217.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 19:34:59 -!- Snamich [~Snamich@netblock-68-183-229-245.dslextreme.com] has quit [Quit: Snamich] 19:35:30 I try to build with asdf directly, and see if it makes a difference 19:35:59 sdsl_ [~sdsl@5.254.132.210] has joined #lisp 19:37:20 -!- sdsl_ [~sdsl@5.254.132.210] has quit [Client Quit] 19:37:59 -!- sdsl [~sdsl@bl16-150-217.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:38:08 maxm [~user@unaffiliated/maxm] has joined #lisp 19:39:49 Joreji [~thomas@81-157.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 19:40:43 also, Xach is currently testing with SBCL from git, while it's in the test period. 19:41:15 That's seems like a strategy for creating unnecessary headaches. 19:41:15 przl [~przlrkt@p5DCA3092.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:42:25 ThomasH: agree 19:42:34 ThomasH: more like a strategy for avoiding them. We'd rather know about issues now than once we've released. 19:44:18 sellout- [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has joined #lisp 19:44:58 puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 19:46:10 pkhuong: That's a fine test for SBCL, but I would do that as a secondary test with the primary test of Quicklisp being across released versions of the supported implementations. 19:46:24 ThomasH: I believe Xach does both. 19:46:49 Someone needs to buy him a beer. 19:47:13 and I'm still not clear what difference cosmos72 is referring to. 19:48:29 ravster [~ravi@66.207.222.14] has joined #lisp 19:48:55 pkhuong: just found that (ql:quickload "stmx") works fine on my library, while (require :stmx) compiles for a while, then fails with this error: 19:49:19 ThomasH: also, with the svref issue, it's clear that not testing libraries during our freeze period creates headaches for regular users who install releases, and can't be expected to build from HEAD to get a fix. 19:49:39 dtm` [~dtm@adsl-69-110-14-131.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 19:50:31 Error while invoking 19:50:32 # (:FORCE-NOT 19:50:32 ("quicklisp" "sb-grovel" "sb-posix" "sb-bsd-sockets" 19:50:32 "sb-introspect" "sb-cltl2") 19:50:32 :VERBOSE NIL) 19:50:32 {1022F0E1B3}> 19:50:33 on # 19:50:33 [Condition of type ASDF:COMPILE-ERROR] 19:50:48 pkhuong: SBCL, "All your implementations belong to us." :-) 19:52:05 cosmos72: please don't paste here, and try to scroll up to find the actual error or warning. 19:52:05 after a "caught WARNING" 19:54:02 pkhuong: I managed to reproduce the problem, that's enough for me to continue, thanks. As you said, asdf fails the build on warnings, by default. 19:55:20 so it's definitely more picky than ql:quickload. Now that I use the same tools as Xach, I do not feel blind anymore :) thanks! 19:55:53 -!- elia [~elia@2-238-29-218.ip242.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:59:19 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@i52104.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 20:00:16 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:03:06 -!- kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has quit [] 20:03:09 antgreen [~green@out-pq-208.wireless.telus.com] has joined #lisp 20:04:16 AeroNotix [~xeno@aboa160.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:08:08 -!- mindCrime_ [~prhodes@12.198.68.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:11:25 *maxm* is sick of stefil's "defining test for suite in diff package" 20:11:34 is it cool to define functions on keywords? 20:11:45 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5DCA3092.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:11:59 maxm: what meaning of "cool" are you referring to ? 20:12:01 maxm: Mu 20:12:20 maxm, xach did it in a lisptip, that is the first time i ever saw it 20:12:28 I think so, but just in case.. I'm giving my test suites the same name as package, ie (defpackage whatever.blah), (in-root-suite) (in-suite :whatever) (defsuite* :whatever.blah) 20:12:35 ah ok 20:13:02 maxm: use fiveam 20:13:15 fe[nl]ix: as it allowed, not gonna bork out allegro, lispworks, ecl, or other implementations that I usually don't test on 20:13:41 fe[nl]ix: I will eventually, but need to finish pushing this big baby out, otherwise I'll never do it 20:13:44 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@aboa160.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:14:39 -!- Aiwass [~user@unaffiliated/aiwass] has left #lisp 20:14:43 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@108-225-26-178.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:15:38 in fact my current work is preparation for it, since I organizing my tests nicely, writing a wrapper that generates a package + sub-suite for each test area, and such.. So later it would be simpler to convert to diff test framework 20:16:01 maxm: I don't think it's a good idea for code that will be put in a source file. 20:16:12 maxm: I use it exclusively for repl tools & utilities 20:16:22 "so later it'd be simpler to convert/change/??/switch-over-to X" is usually a reason not to do something 20:19:04 -!- fghlm [~x@pool-108-45-77-30.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:19:49 Quadrescence: its not a single reason, I have >900 assertions now, so running full test suite just takes 15-20 seconds, which interrupts flow, so i'm splitting up into sub-test-suites in more organized way. 20:20:11 but anyway, since it seems controversial, I'll just generate forwarder functions in the main test package 20:21:06 -!- sdemarre [~serge@9.164-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:21:42 -!- antgreen [~green@out-pq-208.wireless.telus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:22:19 Nisstyre-laptop 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21:53:22 hi all 21:53:31 -!- eee [~user@c50-26-74-15.amrlcmtk01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53:43 eee [~user@c50-26-74-15.amrlcmtk01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #lisp 21:55:08 -!- talas [~talas@136.144.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:55:23 youlysses [~youlysses@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 21:55:31 Anybody uses emacs here ? which email clients in emacs do you prefer to use ? I have tried mu4e and offlineimap, but offlineimap doesnot support pop mailbox. gnus somtimes freeze emacs 21:56:03 sw2wolf: There is also a #emacs. 21:57:59 sellout-: i know but those guys seems not interested in such topic 21:59:03 bye 21:59:04 -!- sw2wolf [~czsq888@171.216.97.23] has left #lisp 21:59:59 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.83.126] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:00:11 -!- ravster [~ravi@66.207.222.14] has left #lisp 22:00:31 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:00:46 p_nathan: around? 22:02:33 nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 22:03:53 davazp [~user@92.251.245.207.threembb.ie] has joined #lisp 22:04:13 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:24 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-031-020.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:06:07 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:06:22 -!- b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@46.36.172.132] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:06:46 Hi xach 22:07:12 I am younder 22:08:22 just a different macine. I program mostly Haskell now. No more CL for me. 22:08:57 Good luck with your museum language... Love john 22:09:06 -!- _d3f [~gnu@46.183.216.234] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 22:09:21 weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 22:09:45 How does being on a different machine require a different nick? 22:10:05 Wireless? 22:10:06 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:10:32 That makes as much sense as everything else you've ever written. 22:11:38 I am just finishing a 670 page book on wireless networking. 22:11:40 -!- tessier_ [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:11:56 It metions wireless nick.. Ok 22:12:33 Doesn't #haskell miss your wit? 22:12:39 tessier [~treed@216.105.40.125] has joined #lisp 22:12:39 -!- tessier [~treed@216.105.40.125] has quit [Changing host] 22:12:40 tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has joined #lisp 22:13:29 -!- Nisstyre-laptop is now known as Nisstyre 22:13:47 No worries. I will help the deficient when I have to. 22:15:06 I am after all a programmer. 22:15:14 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 22:15:34 love you all and all- Just not all that much 22:16:28 mindCrime_ [~prhodes@12.198.68.2] has joined #lisp 22:16:53 -!- natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 22:19:57 You'll find validation of your decision to use Haskell much easier in #haskell than by trolling in lisp. No one here cares. 22:20:11 -!- davazp [~user@92.251.245.207.threembb.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:20:56 -!- mindCrime_ [~prhodes@12.198.68.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:21:24 -!- sellout- [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:22:56 sellout- [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has joined #lisp 22:23:39 pbgc [~pbgc@2.81.103.54] has joined #lisp 22:24:17 -!- spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:24:27 mindCrime_ [~prhodes@12.198.68.2] has joined #lisp 22:28:50 Snamich [~Snamich@netblock-68-183-229-245.dslextreme.com] has joined #lisp 22:29:22 Regis__ [~Regis@189.34.44.144] has joined #lisp 22:30:26 knob [~knob@66-50-126-195.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 22:30:31 -!- mindCrime_ [~prhodes@12.198.68.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:30:31 -!- GOMADWarrior [~Regis@189.34.44.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:31:10 -!- mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Parting is such sweet sorrow...] 22:32:06 mindCrime_ [~prhodes@12.198.68.2] has joined #lisp 22:33:56 -!- temerson [~temerson@pdc-cdn-npool.ebscohost.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:34:27 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35:14 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 22:35:41 GOMADWarrior [~Regis@189.34.44.144] has joined #lisp 22:36:04 temerson [~temerson@pdc-cdn-npool.ebscohost.com] has joined #lisp 22:36:29 -!- milkpost [~dec@192.133.84.6] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:36:42 -!- Fullma [~fullma@ram94-2-82-66-69-246.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:37:02 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 22:37:36 -!- Regis__ [~Regis@189.34.44.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:37:41 -!- mindCrime_ [~prhodes@12.198.68.2] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:38:00 mindCrime_ [~prhodes@12.198.68.2] has joined #lisp 22:41:06 -!- victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has quit [Quit: Leaving IRC - dircproxy 1.2.0] 22:41:37 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:42:02 nonconvergent [~wintermut@c-24-30-40-161.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:42:07 Hi. 22:42:56 '(hi . 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I'm just doing some homework and I'm not very comfortable. 22:43:45 I don't have to write anything myself, but I do have to know what it's doing. 22:44:12 nonconvergent: there's http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/LispBook/ 22:44:12 http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/LispBook/ 22:45:05 -!- pbgc [~pbgc@2.81.103.54] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 22:45:37 -!- ahoops [~ahoops__@121.96.14.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:45:39 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.144.176.73] has joined #lisp 22:45:45 Are the basic functions car,cdr, and cons different across the lisp implementations? 22:46:01 what do you mean by "different"? 22:46:04 -!- agumonkey [~agu@97.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:46:13 and do you mean "dialects" or "languages" rather than "implementations" 22:46:31 specbot [~specbot@50.7.166.114] has joined #lisp 22:46:45 minion [~minion@50.7.166.114] has joined #lisp 22:49:39 nonconvergent: mostly they are the same, more or less 22:49:54 ahoops [~ahoops__@121.96.14.223] has joined #lisp 22:50:02 I suspect things like places/locatives and such might differ 22:50:05 or: they are all different, more or less :) 22:50:36 drewc: well, the basics of "return car/cdr of a cons" are the same, I'd say 22:50:50 Thanks. 22:50:57 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@71-82-124-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: I tend to be neutral about apples] 22:51:02 (unless you end up with a language old enough to have CTR and CPR as well as four-argument CONS) 22:51:28 I think of them the way my language concepts instructor explained them to me, but I haven't actually studied lisp. 22:51:30 p_l: is NIL a CONS? :D 22:51:44 drewc: in the four-argument CONS case? 22:51:51 yes 22:52:10 or so I think it went 22:52:29 Denommus` [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus/x-89635553] has joined #lisp 22:52:31 nope, in the "return car/cdr of a cons" case 22:52:43 car returns the first element as a one element list, cdr is "Cooder" and returns all the elements of a list except the first as a list 22:52:50 -!- erikc [~erikc@209.20.28.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:52:56 drewc: it's a place where conses go to die 22:53:12 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:53:32 stassats: ahh! now i understand. 22:53:33 nonconvergent: what they actually do is return appropriately first and second element of a pai called "cons" 22:53:54 drewc: I think my answer still applies ;) 22:54:02 (typep '() 'cl:cons) => NIL :) 22:54:29 *drewc* is just being a PITA for his own amusement and means nothing by it 22:54:32 nonconvergent: it's just that you can build a single linked list by using one element (in this case, second) to store the next pair 22:54:52 drewc: foiled! typep is stassats:typep, and returns T 22:55:03 -!- sellout- [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:55:03 damn! 22:55:05 drewc: and I switched to this discussion from yet another attempt at making someone doubt the reality, so I'm unaffected :P 22:56:25 drewc: and if you will say (cl:typep cl:nil 'cl:cons), i will tell you that ( is a reader macro which replaces all cl: with stassats:! 22:56:41 Bike_ [~Glossina@67-5-251-241.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:56:43 nonconvergent: sorry for the insanity, I guess 22:56:45 -!- Bike_ [~Glossina@67-5-251-241.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:56:56 doesnt newLISP have such a thing, where there are no CONSs per se? 22:57:00 Bike_ [~Glossina@67-5-251-241.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:57:20 i pretend that there's no newLISP per se 22:57:34 davazp [~user@92.251.245.207.threembb.ie] has joined #lisp 22:57:35 stassats: even better, per-package package nicknames ala SBCL! 22:57:57 Fullma [~fullma@ram94-2-82-66-69-246.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 22:59:38 yeah, I agree with the 'pretend' thing, and that is what I do 99% of the time, yet cons being a pair and NIL being not a cons in CL made me think about 'new'. 23:00:00 -!- Bike [~Glossina@174-25-50-45.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:00:37 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 23:00:57 -!- temerson [~temerson@pdc-cdn-npool.ebscohost.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:01:21 Ramirez57 [~Ramirez57@c-174-54-148-204.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:02:39 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:02:39 -!- bitonic` is now known as bitonic 23:03:59 -!- smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.1.1] 23:04:04 temerson [~temerson@pdc-cdn-npool.ebscohost.com] has joined #lisp 23:04:12 cades [~mac@host-61-70-191-50.static.kbtelecom.net] has joined #lisp 23:05:11 Jubb [~Jubb@pool-108-28-62-61.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:07:45 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-64-86.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 23:10:07 dnolen [~user@cpe-72-225-195-95.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:10:19 -!- davazp [~user@92.251.245.207.threembb.ie] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:10:27 -!- youlysses [~youlysses@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:16:41 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: normanrichards] 23:17:23 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:19:15 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:20:34 clhs cons 23:20:34 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/a_cons.htm 23:20:50 clhs cons/t 23:20:50 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/t_cons.htm 23:22:36 *drewc* figured that nonconvergent has gotten the information that was required, so figured clhs is the next step, assuming he is aware that #lisp is, topic-wise, common lisp... 23:23:06 maybe he can't converge on a single dialect 23:23:13 OR: this buffer was open when I can back to this emacs, and that is my excuse 23:27:29 anyone have a diagram of the type-lattice formed by all the types defined in the hyperspec? 23:28:19 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:28:48 like http://sellout.github.io/media/CL-type-hierarchy.png 23:32:35 stassats: nice! 23:35:11 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.25.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:36:51 poor NIL 23:38:23 -!- cades [~mac@host-61-70-191-50.static.kbtelecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:38:33 stassats: yes, exactly like that 23:39:17 I'm really happy 23:39:43 p_l: pai? 23:39:53 s/pai/pair/ maybe? 23:39:56 my boss implied that I'll have a chance to work on Lisp when I start working with the other team 23:41:58 Maybe I'm cynical, but I stopped being excited by things that are only implied a while ago 23:42:31 pair 23:42:38 *p_l* might have typoed 23:43:04 -!- bitonic [~user@151.225.36.236] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:43:07 *stassats* is excited about implicit PROGN 23:43:16 who wouldn't be! 23:43:53 implicit PROGN is implicit 23:43:57 jasom: I tend to not be excited, but my boss is a nice dude, and he didn't let me down 23:45:01 Denommus`: oh, it's not just because of malicious misleading; sometimes people accidentally say things that imply something that isn't true 23:45:48 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:45:49 A good example being that my earlier statement implied that I thought your boss could be intentionally misleading you 23:47:09 agumonkey [~agu@97.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 23:48:21 ASau`` [~user@p5797F4C0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 23:49:03 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-143-168.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:50:25 -!- Thra11 [~Thra11@157.80.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 23:50:38 nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 23:52:07 -!- ASau` [~user@p5797F5A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:52:58 -!- Ramirez57 [~Ramirez57@c-174-54-148-204.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:55:00 dbh [~dbh@182.55.3.19] has joined #lisp 23:56:15 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105.226.67.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:56:25 -!- knob [~knob@66-50-126-195.prtc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:56:58 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-wkrphimtpoligrwc] has joined #lisp