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I feel like I've read how to do this before and I'm just not finding it in the Hyperspec right now. 00:13:55 WarWeasle [~brad@162.72.14.206] has joined #lisp 00:14:30 patrickwonders: put a V where the length arg goes 00:14:44 patrickwonders: e.g. (format t "~vA" 42 "A string") 00:14:44 Thank you... 00:15:17 http://lisptips.com/post/10810692140/dynamic-format-control 00:15:41 That's probably where I saw it before :) 00:16:58 [1]JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-210-215.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 00:17:50 -!- JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-210-215.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:21:31 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 00:21:40 ikki [~ikki@187.208.177.153] has joined #lisp 00:25:25 -!- ebobby [~fms@173.228.63.34] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:27:09 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-32-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:33:03 normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 00:35:09 leoc` 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I've been trying to get this function to test if a string has matching parens or not. For some reason, it does not. I suspect some scoping issues. Any insights? http://paste.lisp.org/display/136515 06:05:52 yati: try (eql "(" "(") 06:06:28 yati: looks convoluted. in cl, tail recursion is not a common way to simulate iteration 06:06:34 damn 06:07:00 Bike, what should I use to check equality , then? 06:07:07 yati: (char= #\( (char str 0)) 06:07:58 subseq will probably also create a new sequence, you'd be better off tracking a position i think 06:08:00 H4ns, I guess - I'm just taking this Functional Programming with Scala course, and playing around with the concepts here in CL :) Helps me learn new stuff (like LABELS and FLET) 06:09:30 Bike, I guess then I'll have to use LENGTH to check for the empty string 06:09:57 (loop with depth = 0 for char across string when (char= char #\() do (incf depth) when (char= char #\)) do (decf depth) finally (return (zerop depth))) 06:10:18 :P 06:10:32 Bike, that is the trivial "imperative" solution :) 06:10:47 Bike: you're missing the special case: http://paste.lisp.org/display/136515#1 06:10:59 yati: right. like in "the readable solution" 06:11:07 I am deliberately playing with functional principles of immutability and recursion. 06:11:17 yati: cl is not the best playfield for that 06:11:19 H4ns, yeah, arguably. 06:11:32 well, anyway, don't use eql to compare strings 06:11:33 yati: maybe you're getting more friendly responses when you try this with #scheme 06:12:01 H4ns, but it is multiparadigm. I'm not using scheme, so why should I ask on #scheme? 06:12:10 and you don't need to compare strings for this anyway 06:12:18 yati: it is allright. carry on. 06:13:32 H4ns, it is not my objective to build production software using such code. It helps me to explore the language while I learn it. It might not be idiomatic lisp, and I am aware of that :) 06:13:51 *common lisp 06:14:04 <|3b|> yati: just make sure you are also aware CL doesn't guarantee TCO, so it is potentially broken code, not just not idiomatic 06:14:24 -!- ASau [~user@46.115.22.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:14:29 clearly could be made more function with more gotos 06:14:30 <|3b|> (scheme does guarantee TCO, so it is safer and idiomatic in scheme) 06:14:53 |3b|, yeah I noticed that once. I ran out of stack space with a tail rec function 06:14:58 -!- blackwol` [~blackwolf@ool-4574e84c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:15:44 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:16:55 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 06:18:51 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 06:18:53 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B2986E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:19:30 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 06:19:48 Keshi [~Keshi@unaffiliated/keshi] has joined #lisp 06:20:30 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has quit [] 06:21:13 joe9 [~user@c-71-236-20-61.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:23:41 walter [~walter@c-75-73-211-125.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:29:28 i'm dumb. what is a succinct way to convert '(a b) to '('a 'b) ? 06:30:34 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host45.181-1-162.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:30:45 cades [~mac@49.159.138.72] has joined #lisp 06:34:02 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 06:35:32 mapcar? 06:35:49 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@freiksenet.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 06:36:16 freiksenet [~freiksene@freiksenet.com] has joined #lisp 06:36:26 Remember that 'a is (quote a) 06:36:59 Zhivago: right. i have (mapcar (lambda (name) `',name) names) now, but it somehow does not look "right". 06:37:53 asvil [~user@91.151.182.61] has joined #lisp 06:38:21 -!- protist [~protist@125-237-130-19.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:38:46 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:40:07 -!- teiresias [~teiresias@archlinux/trusteduser/teiresias] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:41:04 poindontcare [~user@c-69-181-139-125.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:41:17 sodel [~dralston@S01062cb05d9c7e60.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 06:41:21 -!- sodel [~dralston@S01062cb05d9c7e60.va.shawcable.net] has left #lisp 06:42:11 teiresias [~teiresias@archlinux/trusteduser/teiresias] has joined #lisp 06:43:02 prxq_ [~mommer@mnhm-5f75f8c4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 06:43:36 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c23c6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:44:10 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 06:44:21 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 06:45:43 -!- cades [~mac@49.159.138.72] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:47:16 -!- Shozan is now known as 36DAACKXL 06:47:50 -!- 36DAACKXL is now known as SHODAN 06:52:35 -!- walter [~walter@c-75-73-211-125.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:52:49 Found a nice thread on FP and CL: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!msg/comp.lang.lisp/b5gEkueqTd0/HAVQ694NCUMJ 06:53:48 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:56:43 -!- Posterdati [~antani@host166-213-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 06:59:13 -!- prxq_ [~mommer@mnhm-5f75f8c4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:59:35 mrSpec [~Spec@87-207-172-93.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 06:59:35 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@87-207-172-93.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Changing host] 06:59:36 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 07:00:44 prxq_ [~mommer@mnhm-590c2e76.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 07:01:18 Posterdati [~antani@host166-213-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 07:01:30 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:07:42 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 07:08:09 hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 07:08:09 -!- hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 07:08:09 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 07:09:18 teggi [~teggi@123.21.161.34] has joined #lisp 07:14:00 I think that the important thing to remember is that CL is a procedural language with lots of support for a functional style of programming. 07:15:34 cades [~mac@host-61-70-191-50.static.kbtelecom.net] has joined #lisp 07:15:50 -!- xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-119-16.w92-156.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC.] 07:16:54 Cymew [~user@fw01d.snowmen.se] has joined #lisp 07:17:04 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@erudite.anarchism.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:18:18 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 07:19:28 reckler [~reckler@ppp118-208-130-123.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:19:46 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.86] has joined #lisp 07:20:20 -!- cades [~mac@host-61-70-191-50.static.kbtelecom.net] has quit [Client Quit] 07:22:41 -!- Blkt` [~user@82.84.166.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:25:31 quote is not usable as a function, interestingly 07:26:23 (mapcar (lambda (x) `(quote ,x)) '(a b)) 07:26:43 not as obvious as one (noob) would think 07:27:38 <|3b|> function version of QUOTE is IDENTITY 07:28:22 well, identity adds no quote 07:28:31 <|3b|> neither does QUOTE 07:28:44 the question is how to get from '(a b) to '('a 'b) 07:28:56 _d3f [~gnu@nl2.ovpn.to] has joined #lisp 07:30:17 <|3b|> right, which is about manipulating lists, not using QUOTE 07:30:43 that's an interesting point of view yes 07:31:21 it so happens that you need to add 'quote at places in the list... mmm, ok 07:36:30 http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-monad-macros/monad-macros.htm I like this too. 07:41:16 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:42:22 arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-046-005-061-181.hsi8.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 07:42:24 nostoi [~nostoi@52.Red-79-156-244.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 07:48:09 jiwon [800ca333@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.12.163.51] has joined #lisp 07:48:34 Zhivago: hey, are you Brian? 07:49:15 (if not, sorry) 07:51:59 MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-173-67-109-10.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 07:53:03 wchun_ [~wchun@81-232-46-25-no38.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 07:53:45 -!- nostoi [~nostoi@52.Red-79-156-244.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:58:20 Harag 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should i use my normal package manager for that? 09:59:27 use whatever you want 09:59:29 -!- schoppenhauer [~quassel@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:59:36 kk thank you 10:00:08 protist: it did probably not "fail to get [package cl+ssl]", but rather failed to load the ssl shared library. 10:00:49 it appears i already have openssl-1.0.1e-4.fc18.x86_64 10:01:02 :/ 10:01:44 oh i guess i need the lib? 10:02:14 yes 10:02:41 openssl-devel.x86_64 or openssl-libs.x86_64 ? 10:03:05 libssl-dev on Debian. 10:03:14 you don't need dev files 10:03:17 for the shared library? hardly 10:03:26 (and it's not debian) 10:03:37 It also installs the symlink libssl.so 10:04:08 pw_ [~user@p5DDC4423.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:04:22 but you could try installing either and checking if it works faster than asking #lisp 10:04:54 -!- prxq__ [~mommer@mnhm-590c3b43.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:05:05 prxq__ 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Zhivago: it selects an element out of a list/array 11:36:56 Zhivago: in J you could type 3{ 0 1 2 3 4 and get 3 11:36:57 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:37:22 Zhivago: just like what that macro is accomplishing with #3{'(0 1 2 3 4) 11:38:13 but really, you would usually just type 3{i.5 in J rather than manually building the list 11:38:20 just so you could see, though 11:44:46 -!- yrk` [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:46:44 Ah. 11:47:12 protist: i would just type 3 11:47:33 stassats`: obviously :p 11:48:55 cades [~mac@host-61-70-191-50.static.kbtelecom.net] has joined #lisp 11:51:27 -!- cmm- [~cmm@109.64.142.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:55:00 cmm- [~cmm@109.64.115.190] has joined #lisp 11:56:19 -!- stokachu [~stokachu@50.58.87.197] has quit [Changing host] 11:56:19 stokachu [~stokachu@ubuntu/member/stokachu] has joined #lisp 11:58:46 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12:59:15 Xach: or what do you suggest 12:59:26 Xach: i want to tinker with a bit of web stuff, never done any before 13:00:02 protist: Sorry, I don't know. I usually use postmodern to put things into postgres databases and use hunchentoot functions to handle requests. Probably something framework-y would make it easier than I'm used to. 13:00:50 Xach: I don't know any frameworks....I know C, x86 32bit asm, Perl, FORTH, and a teeny bit of Perl 13:01:07 Xach: oops i meant a little bit of lisp (I am learning) 13:01:32 Xach: so anything that uses those, i will be comfortable with...but i know no javascript etc 13:01:40 hey 13:02:18 protist: Good luck with it. I don't know the best and most productive thing to try first, sorry. 13:02:29 Xach: thanks 13:03:14 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 13:06:20 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:06:52 Xach: oh, why were you apprehensive about me using Elephant? 13:06:59 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has left #lisp 13:08:54 -!- reckler [~reckler@ppp118-208-130-123.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:12:50 dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-32-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:14:00 -!- antgreen_ [~green@out-on-206.wireless.telus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:14:14 -!- sirdancealot [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:15:36 antgreen_ [~green@out-on-206.wireless.telus.com] has joined #lisp 13:16:30 protist: It's unmaintained, as far as I can tell. That might not be a big problem if there are no problems using it. 13:16:43 But I found it hard to set up just to build for Quicklisp. 13:17:01 It requires some pre-build configuration, and that's not well-supported for CL libraries in general. 13:18:33 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BD345F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:20:30 sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 13:20:32 przl [~przlrkt@p54BD345F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:23:14 Corvidium [~cosman246@24.56.241.224] has joined #lisp 13:24:36 kanru` [~kanru@111-249-143-178.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 13:27:10 -!- doomlord [~doomlod@host86-145-105-56.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:27:35 doomlord [~doomlod@host86-145-105-56.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 13:32:52 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:34:13 casion [~AdmiralBu@pool-71-99-141-240.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:34:37 protist: just use PostgreSQL? 13:34:42 ahungry [~null@66.184.106.97] has joined #lisp 13:34:57 dim: i don't know SQL...is this something i can pick up as i go? 13:34:58 the CL lib for it, postmodern, is quite good 13:35:20 dim: i just want to basically 'tie' something magically like in Perl...or like in Elephant 13:35:27 SQL yes, I'd think so... that said if you are already picking up lisp as you go, it might be a little too much at a time 13:35:41 manardb then maybe 13:35:57 https://github.com/ilitirit/manardb 13:36:08 ah, http://cl-www.msi.co.jp/projects/manardb/index.html 13:36:19 dim: i actually have an "intermediate to advanced" understanding of lisp....i just am hesitant to say i "know" things....especially with a community as sharp as this one 13:36:40 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has quit [] 13:36:42 then embark into SQL with PostgreSQL as you go :) 13:36:49 dim: thank you :) 13:36:53 Xach: thank you as well :) 13:36:53 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-179-148.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:40:36 agumonkey [~agu@8.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 13:41:40 no problem 13:45:45 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:47:32 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BD345F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:47:50 przl [~przlrkt@p54BD345F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:49:22 adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 13:50:43 mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 13:53:04 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:55:05 pierpa`` [~user@host77-93-dynamic.55-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 13:55:31 natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 13:56:30 pavelpenev [~quassel@85.130.11.8] has joined #lisp 13:57:08 -!- zygew [zygee1@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-dnhtwnfajjcrrwes] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:58:31 -!- pierpa` [~user@host77-93-dynamic.55-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:58:57 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:00:19 fmeyer [~fmeyer@200-150-182-201.static-corp.ajato.com.br] has joined #lisp 14:01:00 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-32-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:02:39 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 14:03:04 -!- df_ [~df@aldur.bowerham.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:05:38 Gooder [~user@221.197.2.114] has joined #lisp 14:05:54 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 14:06:38 -!- Gooder [~user@221.197.2.114] has left #lisp 14:06:58 Gooder [~user@221.197.2.114] has joined #lisp 14:07:44 -!- tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:08:57 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85.130.11.8] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:10:23 sellout- [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has joined #lisp 14:11:29 akovalen` [~user@95.73.126.192] has joined #lisp 14:12:28 -!- surrounder [~surrounde@095-096-032-026.static.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:13:02 surrounder [~surrounde@095-096-032-026.static.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 14:13:15 -!- akovalenko [~user@77.51.57.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:14:44 nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 14:15:52 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:16:27 erikc [~erikc@CPE00222d53fe78-CM00222d53fe75.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 14:18:17 -!- leoc` [~leoc.git@p5480A982.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:18:49 -!- Gooder [~user@221.197.2.114] has left #lisp 14:22:40 -!- Cymew [~user@fw01d.snowmen.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:25:05 Vivitron [~Vivitron@12.53.196.74] has joined #lisp 14:26:42 l0p3n [~kristian@unaffiliated/l0p3n] has joined #lisp 14:27:18 -!- jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:28:24 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:30:14 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:31:44 nongeek [~mohsen@178.131.147.74] has joined #lisp 14:31:50 -!- yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:34:17 hello alk 14:34:43 you prefer clisp or clojure ? 14:36:13 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:36:25 nialo [nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 14:36:32 I think you'll find that just about everyone on this channel prefers Common Lisp over Clojure. (Also note: clisp is one implementation of Common Lisp. I'm assuming you're asking the more general question and not just about that one instantiation of Common Lisp.) 14:37:27 also, this channel is about Common Lisp (see topic) 14:37:47 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@89.218.1.75] has joined #lisp 14:37:48 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@89.218.1.75] has quit [Changing host] 14:37:48 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 14:37:50 Why you choose clisp? 14:37:53 -!- paultag [~paultag@debian/developer/paultag] has left #lisp 14:38:21 i don't use clisp 14:38:33 so? 14:38:41 ikki [~ikki@187.208.177.153] has joined #lisp 14:38:48 that's the answer 14:38:49 nongeek: 'CL' is better shortening than 'clisp', which is used to refer to a specific CL implementation named CLISP. 14:39:02 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:39:17 n0vember: that's what patrickwonders said 14:39:22 I want to know what is good for satry:( 14:39:43 what's "satry:("? 14:39:52 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-240-66.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:39:53 start* 14:39:54 *patrickwonders* was wondering that, too. 14:40:19 nongeek: if you want to learn common lisp, start with common lisp. if you want to learn clojure, start with clojure. 14:40:26 Haskell is common or CL or clojure ? 14:40:48 I don't know anything about them 14:40:49 nongeek: haskell is yet something else. this channel is about common lisp. not about helping to choose a language. 14:41:01 zophy [ceb02321@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.176.35.33] has joined #lisp 14:41:09 -!- asvil [~user@91.151.182.61] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:41:17 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Client Quit] 14:41:31 If you are lisp programmer why you choose it 14:41:49 nongeek: i like it. and i get paid for it. 14:41:50 Because of the kittens and rainbows, mainly. 14:41:52 why you don't use haskell 14:41:57 So to answer the previously intended question of "Why you choose CL (presumably over Clojure)?" : real machine instructions instead of JVM, wide variety of implementations, great documentation/support, greater flexibility (reader-macros for one) 14:42:02 dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-32-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:42:11 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 14:42:35 ok, i have sbcl 1.1.5, libfixposix from fe[nl]ix and iolib source from github, but iolib.os isn't being compiled 14:42:41 wassup wid dat ? 14:42:48 patrickwonders: CL support is better? 14:43:14 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 14:43:29 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BD345F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:43:33 nongeek: It is here even when this channel's been silent for hours, I still get an answer to anything I'm stuck on in under 30seconds. 14:44:20 How can I help Clisp 14:44:22 Plus, with multiple vendors I can hop between implementations and narrow down what's going on if I think it's a problem with an edge case. 14:44:29 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-236-234.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:44:38 nongeek: write programs in common lisp 14:44:42 nongeek: You can quit calling Common Lisp "Clisp" for starters... 14:44:44 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-236-234.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 14:44:49 :) 14:45:07 -!- rudi [~rudi@1x-193-157-199-211.uio.no] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 14:45:29 Can I help it about mirroring? 14:46:05 *jdz* not sure if a poor troll or confused bot 14:46:11 a wannabe groupie? 14:46:15 wow. groupies! :) 14:46:38 nongeek: No. Just write programs. That's all you need to do. 14:47:11 OK 14:47:18 -!- nongeek [~mohsen@178.131.147.74] has left #lisp 14:47:44 *patrickwonders* waves 14:48:02 -!- r126l [~ruwin126@120.142.9.17] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:48:11 sgkim126l [~sgkim126@120.142.9.17] has joined #lisp 14:49:09 -!- balle [~basti@pulsar.inf.ethz.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:51:30 -!- Keshi [~Keshi@unaffiliated/keshi] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:51:30 -!- xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-119-16.w92-156.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:52:20 -!- antgreen_ [~green@out-on-206.wireless.telus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:52:43 -!- l0p3n [~kristian@unaffiliated/l0p3n] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 14:53:41 CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@mobilenet1-4-157-133.bulk.ucr.edu] has joined #lisp 15:01:08 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:01:53 walter|r [~walter@c-75-73-211-125.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:01:58 -!- cades [~mac@host-61-70-191-50.static.kbtelecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:02:02 ghotiphud [~ghotiphud@173.170.251.208] has joined #lisp 15:07:18 cades [~mac@host-61-70-191-50.static.kbtelecom.net] has joined #lisp 15:08:00 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7569b1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 15:11:42 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-214-41-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 15:13:10 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@proxykno.emea.fedex.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:13:42 przl [~przlrkt@p54BD345F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:16:01 ASau [~user@46.115.75.93] has joined #lisp 15:16:24 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:18:11 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:22:40 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@24.56.241.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:25:13 -!- ikki [~ikki@187.208.177.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:29:53 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 15:31:17 smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has joined #lisp 15:32:01 -!- breakds [~breakds@ppp-70-226-163-93.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:34:17 breakds [~breakds@ppp-70-226-163-93.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 15:38:01 pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has joined #lisp 15:38:25 ikki [~ikki@177.224.214.151] has joined #lisp 15:38:41 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 15:39:04 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-240-66.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:39:22 I'm seeking library that handles php's serialization format. I found one in github. But ... does anybody have personal experience to inform my search with? 15:39:36 SanderM [~quassel@vhe-400104.sshn.net] has joined #lisp 15:41:04 -!- ASau [~user@46.115.75.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:41:57 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:43:04 -!- cades [~mac@host-61-70-191-50.static.kbtelecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:45:01 zenbalrog [~johnnyc@adsl-98-70-111-206.tys.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 15:46:45 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-32-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:47:08 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:48:49 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:48:56 -!- smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:48:58 cades [~mac@host-61-70-191-50.static.kbtelecom.net] has joined #lisp 15:49:00 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@12.53.196.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:49:36 b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@46.36.172.132] has joined #lisp 15:50:14 smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has joined #lisp 15:50:31 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-wpjlyptjgiscjwjw] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 15:51:17 -!- zenbalrog [~johnnyc@adsl-98-70-111-206.tys.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:55:07 ASau [~user@46.115.75.93] has joined #lisp 15:55:16 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 15:56:29 -!- akovalen` is now known as akovalenko 15:57:39 I guess nongeek will not write programs today. 15:59:59 zophy: you need newer asdf 16:02:36 -!- SanderM [~quassel@vhe-400104.sshn.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:04:14 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:05:26 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 16:09:42 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:10:59 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:11:22 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:12:13 Odin- [~sbkhh@erudite.anarchism.is] has joined #lisp 16:15:24 -!- milosn_ [~milosn@user-5af506a3.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:16:29 antgreen_ [green@nat/redhat/x-olyjgkqafkgmvobg] has joined #lisp 16:17:49 scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-71-167.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 16:23:04 -!- xani [~user@178.183.156.83.dsl.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:25:20 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-71-163-43-88.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:26:02 gendl [~gendl@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:26:10 hi, what does UIOP stand for again? 16:26:18 ykm [~ykm@124.155.255.215] has joined #lisp 16:27:33 it's a backronim for something like utilities for implementation and os portability 16:28:07 backronym even 16:28:14 thanks. 16:28:16 jasom: It's a _backronym_? Who would start with UIOP? 16:28:16 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:28:24 sellout-: anyone with a qwerty keyboard 16:28:24 wchun [~wchun@81-232-46-25-no38.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 16:28:34 Ah, not me then :) 16:28:36 asdf xcvb uiop 16:28:46 those are all 4-grams left-to-right on a qwerty 16:29:17 A "backronim" is a two-player game with piles of words. On your turn, you can take any number of words from a single pile so long as you can form an acronym with the words. 16:29:19 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:29:26 -!- Saturn_ [~rose@219.159.143.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:30:56 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:36:04 patrickwonders: lmfao 16:36:17 patrickwonders: that would be a decent game 16:36:29 patrickwonders: it needs a scoring system and some more limiting factors 16:36:51 patrickwonders: like maybe acronyms by genre, with scoring similar to scrabble 16:37:04 the loser is the one who has to pick up the last tile 16:37:19 dlowe: like Hot Potato! :D 16:37:41 splittist [bc3f1563@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.63.21.99] has joined #lisp 16:37:42 dlowe: maybe just put a timer on and have them try to make words and not have the timer run out 16:37:47 on them 16:37:49 morning 16:37:49 In normal Nim, the loser is the first player who cannot make a move. But, I could see making this miser instead. 16:38:10 Eldariof-ru [~CLD@pppoe-210-78-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 16:38:12 s/miser/misere/ 16:38:22 misere? 16:38:42 what that a backorrection? 16:38:47 was* 16:38:51 jimmy99 [~bonsai@69.85.36.234] has joined #lisp 16:38:52 did you mean nicer? 16:39:27 -!- Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:39:31 protist: misere has an accent in it somewhere. It's French for a game where the goal is to lose. So, misere tic-tac-toe, you'd be trying to force you opponent into getting three in a row. 16:39:48 patrickwonders: ooo! 16:40:04 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 16:40:32 patrickwonders: you should make a game where it somehow is an alternating series of goal-to-win, goal-to-lose 16:40:39 patrickwonders: can you invision such a game? 16:40:59 patrickwonders: the hard part might be keeping score.... 16:41:31 patrickwonders: or maybe where the current session reverses the alternating series of the previous sessions 16:41:43 patrickwonders: like rising steaks with each round 16:41:45 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-214-41-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:41:49 raising* 16:41:56 so is anyone going to code this in common lisp or what? 16:42:01 protist: stakes* ;) 16:42:17 envision* 16:42:20 dlowe: i'm not sure if we have made it challenging enough to be hard in lisp yet :P 16:42:34 dlowe: we are certainly getting there, though :D 16:42:41 well that might make it on-topic 16:42:47 I don't have the AI chops to make a programatic judge that can tell if a proposed acronym makes any kind of sense... 16:43:03 patrickwonders: just match against a table? 16:43:28 patrickwonders: oh you mean syntactically 16:43:52 patrickwonders: that could be interesting....they could be nonsensical, but must be syntactically correct? 16:44:10 -!- walter|r [~walter@c-75-73-211-125.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:44:58 patrickwonders: i think the articles would be the major players in deciding the parts of speech 16:46:52 patrickwonders: a grammatical transition table maybe....a finite automaton where transitions are articles (or blank space), and the states are parts of speech 16:47:13 sorry, it is late here and i am blabbing 16:50:17 yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:50:27 -!- yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:50:27 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 16:50:31 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BD345F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:53:31 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 16:54:22 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.168] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 16:54:23 -!- Eldariof-ru [~CLD@pppoe-210-78-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:54:51 rpg [~rpg@23-25-144-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 16:55:30 Eldariof-ru [~CLD@188.168.245.165] has joined #lisp 16:56:36 -!- Kvaks [~kvaks@116.157.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:57:06 -!- ghotiphud [~ghotiphud@173.170.251.208] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:57:10 Kvaks [~kvaks@116.157.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 16:57:31 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:58:26 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:59:31 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:00:07 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 17:00:59 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 17:02:28 minion: what does blab mean? 17:02:29 Biographic Limnologically Amok Blueness 17:04:20 splittist: are you going to eclm? 17:05:13 Xach: I am. 17:05:38 I should actually register... 17:05:58 -!- Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:06:00 -!- spion_ is now known as spion 17:06:10 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 17:06:21 Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 17:06:50 Time's a-wasting 17:08:46 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:08:53 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-klfzyuehelpvcqph] has joined #lisp 17:08:53 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-klfzyuehelpvcqph] has quit [Changing host] 17:08:53 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 17:09:30 Looking for family-friendly hotel with a pool... 17:09:33 -!- ahungry [~null@66.184.106.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:09:47 splittist: by blab i mean to ramble 17:09:59 splittist: oh... 17:10:50 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host45.181-1-162.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:11:22 -!- ck_ [~ck@dslb-188-107-070-239.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:14:47 Spain doesn't seem terribly well represented, eclm-wise. Yet, I guess. 17:15:48 -!- pw_ [~user@p5DDC4423.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:15:53 milosn [~milosn@user-5af506a3.broadband.tesco.net] has joined #lisp 17:16:00 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@95-24-115-60.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:17:01 judging from the registrations, berlin is the world capital of lisp now \o/ 17:17:03 :D 17:17:33 ahungry [~null@66.184.106.97] has joined #lisp 17:19:42 ECLM Berlin 2015! 17:19:42 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:19:52 hah! 17:20:33 bitonic [~user@ppp-232-137.27-151.libero.it] has joined #lisp 17:21:00 hi H4ns 17:21:10 fe[nl]ix: thanks to you! :) 17:21:31 yay 17:21:59 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:25:14 -!- jimmy99 [~bonsai@69.85.36.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:25:20 ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has joined #lisp 17:26:20 sellout-1 [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has joined #lisp 17:26:43 -!- smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:27:31 dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-32-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:27:42 walter|r [~walter@c-75-73-211-125.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:28:01 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:28:10 -!- sellout- [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:30:33 -!- yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:31:21 Thra11 [~thrall@92.114.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 17:32:06 Heh. 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18:22:03 so i don't double install 18:22:17 protist: yes. you'll need to create a .sbclrc to load quicklisp on startup 18:22:43 H4ns: ah i'll look at the rc files...and see if i can play with em 18:22:55 breakds [~breakds@wifi-116.cs.wisc.edu] has joined #lisp 18:23:16 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:23:56 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 18:24:10 protist: you can do this to get started: sbcl --non-interactive --load ~/quicklisp/setup.lisp --eval '(ql:add-to-init-file)' to set up your .sbclrc for you. 18:24:12 H4ns: so make a .sbclrc.lisp as the file name? 18:24:35 Xach: i can just run that at the REPL? 18:24:49 Xach: will it find all the things i have install under clisp with quickload? 18:24:50 protist: in the shell. 18:25:09 protist: you could also do (load "~/quicklisp/setup.lisp") in the repl 18:25:14 followed by (ql:add-to-init-file) 18:25:14 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@D-69-91-156-126.dhcp4.washington.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:25:45 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.21.161.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:25:52 Xach: if i do that, will it installl quickload for a second time? 18:25:58 No. 18:26:00 Xach: if i can, i want to share it all 18:26:04 Xach: kk, good :) 18:26:40 Xach: it returned T 18:26:43 hmmm 18:27:21 oh the second part now hehe 18:27:30 is there a way to update-all-dists and automatically remove old versions? 18:28:01 yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:28:07 -!- sellout [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:28:11 -!- yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:28:11 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 18:28:22 Xach: I had misunderstood protist's initial question and started trying to track down a different answer, maybe you can clarify If I add a directory to my asdf:*central-registry* for a local version of something that has a quicklisp version, will QUICKLOAD use mine or the quicklisp one? Should I add my directories before or after the (load quicklisp-init)? 18:28:48 -!- dented42 [~dented42@opengroove.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:29:08 patrickwonders: quicklisp-provided systems have the lowest priority when searching for a system with a given name. 18:29:14 Xach: ooo...no paren highlighting under the sbcl REPL for me :( 18:29:23 Xach: cool... 18:29:28 Xach: and all my stuff seems sorted thanks to you :) 18:29:40 how-paren-mode, isn't it? 18:29:41 *show 18:29:54 protist: Most SBCL users also use SLIME to interact with it. 18:30:04 oh, outside of slime. 18:30:13 moai [~m@141.70.23.87] has joined #lisp 18:30:23 sdemarre [~serge@143.184-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 18:30:30 Xach: i'm a vim user...i may make the jump soon, though 18:30:57 pretty sure vim has paren matching 18:31:03 protist: check out evil-mode. you do not have to make the jump. 18:31:03 protist: you can use emacs evil-mode to make it very vimlike 18:31:12 protist: There's a project called linedit that adds history and matching to the SBCL repl. 18:31:18 jasom: evil? 18:31:22 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 18:31:28 ah 18:31:52 protist: I used lined it with SBCL for quite awhile while learning my way around Emacs again. 18:31:53 i have emacs installed...how do i start up an interactive session with sbcl? 18:31:58 protist: here's a demo of linedit: http://xach.com/lisp/linedit-screencast.gif 18:32:18 protist: in the sbcl repl, with quicklisp loaded, type (ql:quickload "quicklisp-slime-helper") and follow the directions. 18:32:30 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:32:54 protist: (ql:quick load :quicklisp-slime-helper) is a good start for getting going with Emacs + SLIME. 18:33:39 dented42 [~dented42@opengroove.org] has joined #lisp 18:33:45 protist: http://emacswiki.org/emacs/Evil <-- it's an implementation of most of vim in lisp 18:34:27 wow thank you everyone 18:34:30 yahl are awesome 18:34:32 :) 18:34:36 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:35:09 bhyde [~bhyde@50.12.146.82] has joined #lisp 18:36:10 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-161-192.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:38:38 is there an REPL line to add things to the rc file? 18:38:50 jrajav [~jrajav@198.179.137.210] has joined #lisp 18:38:56 i would like linedit to be at the ready if possiible 18:39:00 possible* 18:40:51 protist: I used to have my .sbclrc set up to load linedit all of the time. I added the lines manually. But, then I ran into trouble because linedit and SLIME don't play too nicely together when you're trying to run SLIME. 18:41:22 Xach: haha, amazing demo 18:41:41 thanks! 18:41:48 protist: I eventually took linedit out of my .sbclrc altogether after I got used to SLIME. But, before that, I just had my .sbclrc define a function called :L that loaded linedit. 18:41:48 patrickwonders, #-swank 18:41:59 is it normal to take like 5 seconds to (ql:quickload "linedit")? 18:42:01 -!- sambio [~sambio@unaffiliated/sambio] has quit [] 18:42:07 should i nnot be doing that every time? 18:42:10 Was it the first time? 18:42:18 If so it'll be downloading and compiling everything. 18:42:28 adeht: Nice. I never bothered tracking down whether those features were pushed in time before my .sbclrc got loaded. 18:42:38 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 18:42:45 Bike: the second and third time it seems to still take like 5 seconds 18:42:52 patrickwonders: a function?! you could define a symbol-macro, :l, which would expand into (:l) 18:42:55 Bike: i am worried i am making copies or something 18:43:28 patrickwonders, hmmm that may be an issue actually 18:44:25 (and screw anybody who uses :l in their code in the process) 18:44:35 or, perhaps you can't define symbol macros for constants 18:44:39 can i give ql:quickload a list like '(cl-ppcre linedit) as an argument? 18:45:18 nope, you can't 18:45:19 protist: (mapcar #'ql:quickload '(cl-ppcre linedit)) 18:45:26 so much for typing less 18:46:04 anyway, l in cl-user is the next best choice 18:46:18 protist: Yes, its first argument is a list designator. 18:47:04 ah ok, and no ellipses `...' seems to mean not double installing i presume 18:47:06 clhs glossary/list designator 18:47:07 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/26_glo_l.htm#list_designator 18:47:08 Xach: even better did not realize that that explains the return value being a list. ;) 18:47:15 Xach: thank you 18:47:32 protist: If I were you, I wouldn't mind much about double-installing. 18:48:34 Xach: i was mostly worried about installing it every time i started an REPL 18:48:39 Xach: that could get bad :) 18:49:23 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:50:12 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 18:50:14 protist: Ok, no, that won't happen. 18:50:30 what am i doing wrong with my rc file?: https://ideone.com/VMq2f0 18:50:44 oops 18:50:46 I pay money every time you install, so I would be sad if it installed stuff all the time. 18:50:47 typo haha 18:50:55 quickload not quicklisp :D 18:51:33 Xach: you host this stuff? 18:52:04 protist: Yes. I only pay a very small amount each time, so it would have to install a *lot* to make me sad. 18:52:13 could save a core with all often-used libraries loaded.. problem then is that you need to rebuild every time you update them 18:52:16 It's really a few picodespairs per install. 18:52:40 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:52:47 Xach: i do actually get ellipses...but i guess that means nothing? 18:52:50 *patrickwonders* edits his /etc/units file 18:53:46 is each dot a call to *macroexpand-hook*? 18:53:46 Xach: i get this on startup: https://ideone.com/uYPZWq 18:53:50 Xach: normal? 18:54:01 protist: If it says "Fetching #<...>" it is downloading something. The "...."s mean compiling. 18:54:10 stassats`: 1000 or something. 18:54:19 *patrickwonders* realizes it's in /usr/share/misc/units.lib on my machine putting "picodespairs" next to "millihelens: amount of beauty required to launch one ship" 18:54:21 compiling each time is not great news either 18:54:27 Xach: ah thank you 18:54:32 stassats`: how can i prevent that? 18:54:52 save-lisp-and-die 18:55:14 understand how ASDF works, fix linedit to fit ASDF expectations 18:55:14 -!- Tanami [~carnage@9ch.in] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:55:15 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:55:16 sounds ominous :P 18:56:04 Eldariof93-ru [~CLD@pppoe-218-148-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 18:57:05 protist, patrickwonders: check out the "Installing Linedit at the REPL from .sbclrc" section in http://common-lisp.net/project/linedit/ 18:57:22 -!- xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-119-16.w92-156.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC.] 18:58:19 adeht: Just happened to be looking at http://www.cliki.net/Linedit which looks to be about the same and I had stuff like that for some time before I gave up trying to maintain that across several different Lisp impls that shared the same init file. 18:58:41 now that i have SBCL, can i run Elephant? 18:58:52 protist: maybe! 18:58:56 :D 18:59:02 why do you want so much to run it? 18:59:05 because Elephant looks SO easy haha 18:59:13 -!- splittist [bc3f1563@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.63.21.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:59:29 stassats`: i am completely new to anything web related, and i have a good guide i found (i think) 18:59:36 -!- Eldariof-ru [~CLD@188.168.245.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:59:38 It does look easy and has very professional looking documentation. 18:59:50 stassats`: following it closely would be a good way to start i think....and i know nothing of SQL etc 19:00:11 Tanami [~carnage@9ch.in] has joined #lisp 19:00:13 and haven't been updated in what, 5 years? 19:00:39 don't fix what isn't broken...i suppose 19:00:48 or is there a big reason not to use Elephant? 19:01:03 stassats`: http://www.adampetersen.se/articles/lispweb.htm 19:01:13 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-64-86.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 19:01:51 vlion [~vlion@66-87-69-1.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 19:02:20 -!- 18WAC8WUR [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:02:29 protist: http://msnyder.info/posts/2011/07/lisp-for-the-web-part-ii/#sec-2 19:02:41 samebchase: i noticed that :) 19:02:43 protist, also check out rucksack.. 19:03:08 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@50.12.146.82] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 19:05:00 no new development since Feb 2009 for Elephant 19:05:18 araujo [~araujo@190.73.45.171] has joined #lisp 19:05:18 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.73.45.171] has quit [Changing host] 19:05:18 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 19:05:28 ngz [~user@152.42.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 19:07:30 maybe I am an optimist...but what if it is just stable? 19:07:57 (ql:quickload "cl-berkeley-db") seems wrong 19:08:19 ravster [~ravi@71-19-174-130.dedicated.allstream.net] has joined #lisp 19:08:21 -!- Eldariof93-ru [~CLD@pppoe-218-148-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:09:09 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:09:22 bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:11:56 nkkarthik [~nkkarthik@63.251.54.158] has joined #lisp 19:12:11 -!- SHODAN [~shozan@c-08b7e253.011-86-73746f30.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 19:12:15 SHODAN [~shozan@c-08b7e253.011-86-73746f30.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 19:13:39 protist: If it works for you, good. If it doesn't work for you, I don't think you have many avenues of support. 19:13:47 Eldariof93-ru [~CLD@pppoe-215-183-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 19:13:54 did i type something wrong in that last command? 19:14:28 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 19:14:37 -!- vlion [~vlion@66-87-69-1.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 19:14:42 protist: what is cl-berkeley-db? I don't think I've ever heard of it. 19:15:51 Xach: http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-berkeley-db/ 19:17:05 protist: That's not a project that's available via quicklisp directly. You'd have to install it yourself. 19:17:14 ah 19:17:30 are there any things i should be careful of? 19:17:44 will i have to use ASDF or something? 19:18:02 Why do you want to install cl-berkeley-db? 19:18:14 It's one of the backends for Elephant. 19:18:15 Xach: to follow the example near verbatim 19:18:29 patrickwonders: is there another i could use just as easilly? 19:18:33 Which example? 19:18:40 *patrickwonders* shrugs... 19:18:42 Xach: http://www.adampetersen.se/articles/lispweb.htm 19:18:56 dioxirane [~dioxirane@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has joined #lisp 19:19:26 protist: I looked up Elephant after you mentioned it yesterday. I hadn't looked at it in a few years and have never used it. I've used berkeley-db from C before. 19:19:34 protist: Gotcha. Well, if you'd like to quickload cl-berkeley-db, you could download it and unpack it in ~/quicklisp/local-projects 19:19:41 joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lisp 19:19:55 or something like cd ~/quicklisp/local-projects ; darcs get http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-berkeley-db/darcs 19:20:07 but I think that tutorial is probably too old to be a good example to follow. 19:20:07 Xach: thank you 19:20:12 Xach: what is darcs? 19:20:29 Xach: i guess i could use a different backend 19:20:58 Xach: the main things i want to keep is the almost complete lisp illusion of the whole example 19:21:14 Xach: i don't know any web tools...i want to keep it all lispy 19:21:25 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has left #lisp 19:21:25 protist: darcs is a distributed version control system (like git or hg) 19:22:54 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:22:54 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-43.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 19:23:46 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Rated M for MANLY] 19:23:58 bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:24:09 Xach: darcs faile "not a repository" 19:24:19 Xach: Not a repository: http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-berkeley-db/darcs 19:24:53 Maybe http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-berkeley-db/darcs/cl-berkeley-db/ is the thing to use. 19:25:08 But this will probably push through to some other problem for which the answer is "Don't follow that tutorial" 19:25:38 hmm 19:25:46 afk for bit, thank you 19:26:55 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:27:21 If you don't want to deal with darcs or berkeley-db, you might try using the clsql-sqlite3 backend. 19:27:36 clsql-sqlite3 is in quicklisp. 19:29:43 does this seem like a decent way to digest passwords for storage in a db? https://gist.github.com/joekarma/5321929 19:30:17 not enough salt 19:30:24 GuglielmoS [~guglielmo@ppp-15-123.21-151.libero.it] has joined #lisp 19:30:27 ah, good point 19:30:59 updated it 19:31:41 k0001 [~k0001@host22.200-117-32.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 19:33:50 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:33:58 joekarma: concatenate, and I hope that salt is different for each account. 19:35:47 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:35:58 yes, the salt will be different for each account 19:36:12 -!- ngz [~user@152.42.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:36:23 I think I'll make salt optional and have it generate one randomly / return it as a second value 19:36:57 joekarma: I commented with what I've used in the past. I'm not sure how ascii-string-to-byte-array reacts to utf8, though. These days, I just use Postgres' built-in password hashing stuff. 19:37:09 protist: what's wrong with manardb for an all-lisp solution? 19:37:27 what's right with it? 19:37:37 it's all-lisp 19:37:49 so? 19:37:56 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:38:15 -!- yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:38:15 protist has been asking for a lisp persistence tool, to avoid learning SQL or other non lisp APIs and stuff, so I figure it's a good answer 19:38:22 joekarma: commented on the gist* 19:38:42 dim: have you used it extensively? 19:38:53 I updated it just now 19:39:02 never, ever. I did recommend something I've used extensively, however. 19:39:03 cheers, thanks sykopomp 19:39:37 stassats`: do you have first-hand experiences with monardb? 19:39:43 dim: no 19:40:09 sorry, it's called manardb, in fact 19:40:15 it's at http://cl-www.msi.co.jp/projects/manardb/index.html 19:40:28 joekarma: one nice thing about this approach is that you're able to update your hashes incrementally. Store key-iterations and key-length in the database along with the hash, and you can rehash with an updated iteration count next time your user successfully logs in, when you get better hardware :) 19:41:38 oh and that's where I heard about it, I guess: http://john.freml.in/lisp-object-store-manardb 19:42:26 protist: have a look at http://www.cliki.net/ObjectStore maybe 19:42:28 ngz [~user@152.42.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 19:42:35 (or just use PostgreSQL and postmodern) 19:42:57 sykopomp: also noticed there's an ascii-string-to-byte-array function in ironclad :) too bad it's not utf8-string-to-byte-array though 19:43:18 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@198.179.137.210] has quit [Quit: phunq, sandwich store loop, WHAT NO UNIVERSE] 19:44:06 sykopomp: thanks for providing the example, great that it only has the one dependency 19:44:12 joekarma: I use trivial-utf8 for that in my cl-growl 19:45:13 -!- dioxirane [~dioxirane@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:46:21 joekarma: if you're using an actual db system like postgres, I recommend using its built-in hashing capabilities instead. 19:46:32 back 19:48:21 I am in fact using postgres, but I like doing it this way so I'm not permanently tied to it 19:48:40 though I'll admit my knowledge of postgres is limited so I didn't realize it could do that 19:48:53 dim: thank you very much, taking a look :) 19:49:11 joekarma: the rule of thumb with this sort of stuff is that you should use the more widely-used options if they're somewhat reasonable. 19:49:31 whitedawg [~whitedawg@122.179.47.165] has joined #lisp 19:49:50 isn't that every lisper's favourite rule of thumb to ignore? 19:50:23 joekarma: ignore it all you want, but when it comes to security... 19:50:49 then nobody would be interested in what's that you're building 19:50:50 dim: can i just use asdf like it says?....or should i use ql:quickload to get manardb? 19:51:17 joekarma: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/pgcrypto.html -- so something as easy as crypt('thepassword', gen_salt('bf', 9)) 19:51:51 then you can check if an incoming password matches the existing hash with "SELECT password_hash = crypt($1, password_hash) FROM users" 19:52:21 should be faster at least 19:52:29 you don't want it to be fast 19:52:29 sambio [~sambio@unaffiliated/sambio] has joined #lisp 19:52:38 you want it to be as slow as your server can handle without falling over. 19:52:48 possibly a little slower than that 19:52:55 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:55:13 last time I looked into this, scrypt (https://www.tarsnap.com/scrypt.html) seemed like another good possibility. 19:56:26 |3b|: around? Doing my own "lisp-git" based on libgit2, and I see you have done something similar with https://github.com/3b/3b-cl-libgit2 ... 19:56:47 jrajav [~jrajav@198.179.137.210] has joined #lisp 19:57:27 So simply wondering what the license is so I can not 'steal' things but rather follow the (MIT?) Licence :) 20:00:01 -!- Kvaks [~kvaks@116.157.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:01:04 <|3b|> drewc: my stuff is generally some as-yet-undecided mit or bsd, i think there was some other libgit2 bindings though, so probably should see if they got any father than i did 20:01:07 Kvaks [~kvaks@116.157.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 20:01:47 |3b|: yeah. cl-git ... I have it as well 20:02:12 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-32-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:02:45 but, I do not like the license or really the code ...so writing my own 20:05:33 But, heh ... your 'unfinished' code is, so far, not bad at all and I plan on C-k C-y a whole bunch of bindings etc, and figured I could do the proper license thing and give you some credit etc. 20:06:02 -!- ISF [~ivan@187.64.222.221] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:06:15 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:07:22 rpg- [~rpg@23-25-144-220-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 20:07:42 <|3b|> ok, just making sure you saw it, so it was a conscious decision :) 20:09:36 vlion [~vlion@66-87-69-1.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 20:11:18 -!- rpg [~rpg@23-25-144-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:11:36 <|3b|> if irc is good enough, then consider it under mit or bsd or whatever, otherwise file an issue (or pull request) with a suggested license 20:12:00 -!- rpg- [~rpg@23-25-144-220-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:12:43 yeah, it was concious to the point where I tried cl-git and did not like reading the code to learn what I had to do .. whereas your code is properly 'minimal' imo, so hence my question about the license :) 20:13:57 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:14:00 dioxirane [~dioxirane@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has joined #lisp 20:14:02 Cool, I like MIT myself, simply so the whole copyright thing is there and though I live on the west coast ... I do work in Lisp, where for some reason MIT makes sense ;) 20:14:57 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-159-90.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:15:08 that said, I also like WTFPL, so maybe my opinion on licenses is 'public domain is not free enough' :P 20:15:19 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:15:36 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:15:42 <|3b|> yeah, the 'lisp -> mit' bit is the extent i've thought about the subject, but don't really want to do legal stuff with that little thought 20:16:03 -!- dioxirane [~dioxirane@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has left #lisp 20:16:39 Augh, the license discussion again? :p 20:16:57 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:17:00 on [~on@91.Red-83-43-31.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 20:17:24 -!- on is now known as Guest53616 20:17:45 <|3b|> vlion: no, this is just concrete descussion about a particular project, not licenses in general 20:17:51 <|3b|> *discussion 20:18:42 *|3b|* might object to the 'change the name' requirement in wtfpl though, would be annoying if people can't take over projects i abandon 20:19:10 <|3b|> though i guess that is just for changes of the license, so nevermind 20:19:19 well, I can simply tell you that the MIT license does the right thing according to my lawyers ... the "THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "\AS IS\", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND" is somewhat important, and I simply like the "The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software." thing so my name is on my software 20:19:29 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:19:37 I use WTFPL for docs, and MIT for software, usually. 20:20:22 -!- ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:21:39 kennyd [~kennyd@78-1-185-51.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 20:23:16 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:37 -!- protist [~protist@125-237-130-19.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:24:24 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:24:41 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 20:26:25 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Client Quit] 20:26:41 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 20:27:00 milkpost [~dec@192.133.84.6] has joined #lisp 20:27:45 is there a way with `loop` to have it generate 1,2,3,2,1,2,3,2,1,2 for an arbitrary length? 20:27:59 i mean to say, what is the best way to use loop to do this? 20:28:25 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:29:04 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:29:39 -!- wchun [~wchun@81-232-46-25-no38.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:29:44 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Client Quit] 20:29:58 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 20:30:58 i guess i'm doing 0,1,2,1,0,1,2 but the same applies, mod doesn't work but it seems like there should be some clever numerical way instead of using a variable. 20:31:12 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Client Quit] 20:31:26 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 20:31:50 sc00fy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-71-167.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 20:31:53 why doesn't mod work? 20:32:03 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Client Quit] 20:32:04 '#1=(1 2 3 2 . #1#) is one way. 20:32:16 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 20:32:45 (loop :for n :below 100 :do (print (1+ (mod n 3)))) 20:33:12 -!- scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-71-167.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:33:54 -!- RenJuan [~juan@cpe-76-180-168-166.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:34:52 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Client Quit] 20:34:53 -!- b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@46.36.172.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:35:05 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 20:35:25 (1+ (abs (nth-value 1 (round i 4)))) is another 20:35:54 b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@46.36.172.132] has joined #lisp 20:37:00 joe9: that would generate (1 2 3 1 2 3 ...) 20:37:09 er. joekarma 20:37:21 oops, didn't notice the count down bit 20:37:38 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-222-103.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38:16 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Client Quit] 20:38:27 -!- b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@46.36.172.132] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 20:38:30 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 20:38:40 -!- p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:38:51 -!- moai [~m@141.70.23.87] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:39:16 -!- doomlord [~doomlod@host86-145-105-56.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:40:24 doomlord [~doomlod@host86-171-15-196.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 20:41:15 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:41:46 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Client Quit] 20:42:01 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 20:43:13 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:43:24 What library would allow a lazy-style thing like (take 42 '#1=(1 2 3 2 . #1#))? 20:43:52 b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@46.36.172.132] has joined #lisp 20:43:56 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Client Quit] 20:44:09 antoszka: subseq works just fine here. 20:44:10 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 20:44:20 ah 20:45:08 Or, if you relaly want lazy streams, "common lisp lazy list" reveals CLAZY. 20:45:44 dioxirane [~dioxirane@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has joined #lisp 20:46:19 -!- b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@46.36.172.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:47:10 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Client Quit] 20:47:14 AeroNoti1 [~xeno@aboh186.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:47:24 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 20:47:28 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host22.200-117-32.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:47:59 sirdancealot [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 20:48:21 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Client Quit] 20:48:34 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 20:48:51 thx 20:49:35 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abob48.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:50:04 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Client Quit] 20:50:05 dlowe: (dotimes (n 20) (print (1+ (abs (- (mod n 4) 2))))) 20:50:18 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 20:50:19 mutley89_ [~mutley89@host86-130-5-45.range86-130.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 20:51:25 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 20:51:46 ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has joined #lisp 20:53:00 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Client Quit] 20:53:14 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 20:53:28 -!- mutley89 [~mutley89@host86-162-137-53.range86-162.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:54:46 er, actually milkpost 20:55:07 PuercoPop [~user@190.222.252.106] has joined #lisp 20:56:06 Corvidium [~cosman246@D-173-250-146-132.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 20:56:57 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Client Quit] 20:57:13 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 20:57:35 -!- ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:57:51 ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has joined #lisp 20:58:21 antoszka: series is another such library (series:subseries (series:series 0 1 2 1) 0 30) 20:58:58 series is the thing that was in cltl2 and didn't get into ANSI for some reason? 20:59:04 yes 20:59:25 I always wanted to get a closer look at it. 20:59:35 (ql:quickload :series) 20:59:55 it's got some interesting strengths and weaknesses 20:59:59 yeah, just doing that 21:00:00 :) 21:00:08 who's maintaining the code these days? 21:00:17 if you want to actually use it, you'll have to use (series:install) in the package you want to use it from 21:00:21 that trips up a lot of people 21:00:32 hm 21:00:39 Nobody is maintaining it, I think. 21:00:52 # 21:00:56 looks newish 21:00:57 dlowe: does it shadow some cl symbols? 21:01:05 jasom: it shadows a LOT of cl symbols 21:01:07 bakingbread [icedp@unaffiliated/icedp] has joined #lisp 21:01:08 dlowe: I don't think you need to do that if you install it with quicklisp, could be wrong though 21:01:12 -!- bakingbread [icedp@unaffiliated/icedp] has left #lisp 21:01:17 joekarma: yes. you are wrong. :p 21:01:20 dlowe: I know it doesn't actually export a (series:install) function 21:01:32 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-222-103.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:01:44 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Client Quit] 21:01:46 though there is such a function 21:02:01 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 21:02:20 -!- ahungry [~null@66.184.106.97] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:02:30 what is that called. 21:02:38 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Client Quit] 21:02:51 oh 21:02:55 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 21:02:58 it's not exported but you're expected to use it anyway 21:02:59 enjoy. 21:02:59 -!- sdemarre [~serge@143.184-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:03:19 oh I see what you mean, you mean USE in the CL sense, as opposed to plain old "use" 21:03:57 dlowe: isn't that only for the reader macros? 21:04:15 scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-71-167.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 21:04:36 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:04:46 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Client Quit] 21:05:03 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 21:05:13 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:05:22 pkhuong: it won't optimize correctly with LET and other constructs if you don't do that, I believe 21:05:36 -!- Eldariof93-ru [~CLD@pppoe-215-183-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [] 21:05:46 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 21:06:14 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Client Quit] 21:06:27 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 21:06:36 -!- sc00fy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-71-167.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:06:47 (defconst-once /series-forms/ '(let let* multiple-value-bind funcall defun) "Forms redefined by Series.") 21:06:49 I vaguely remember that you could use its own DEFUN and all instead, but it's been years. 21:06:53 -!- gf3 is now known as miketaylr 21:08:39 -!- GuglielmoS [~guglielmo@ppp-15-123.21-151.libero.it] has quit [Quit: GuglielmoS] 21:08:40 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Client Quit] 21:08:56 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 21:09:31 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Client Quit] 21:09:45 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 21:10:15 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 21:10:44 -!- dioxirane [~dioxirane@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has left #lisp 21:10:50 -!- specbot [~specbot@tiger.common-lisp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:11:10 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #lisp 21:11:19 -!- minion [~minion@tiger.common-lisp.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:15:15 dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:16:44 minion: memo for protist: Before switching to sbcl, have a look at http://www.cliki.net/TutorialClispDebugger and try to do the same with sbcl (ie. without slime). 21:16:59 -!- pjb` is now known as pjb 21:17:08 minion: here? 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21:27:05 -!- MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-173-67-109-10.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:27:14 Perhaps because you are "full-time". 21:27:55 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:27:55 -!- kpreid_ is now known as kpreid 21:28:15 H4ns: i have once but it got fixed so i can't complain 21:28:18 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@D-173-250-146-132.dhcp4.washington.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:28:20 -!- Natch [~Natch@c-fecee155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:28:20 -!- Natch_r is now known as Natch 21:28:29 jimmy99 [~bonsai@c-69-251-139-157.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:29:02 bugs happen but there's no one forcing you to update your sbcl 21:30:01 banjiewen [~banjiewen@184.173.74.133-static.reverse.softlayer.com] has joined #lisp 21:31:22 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:31:38 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 21:31:42 of course. So given I don't update sbcl more often than every 3 years, who cares about clisp last release date? 21:34:48 I don't like CLISP because it needs libraries I usually don't have and can't trivially get. And because of its weird treatment of CL:REQUIRE. And the bugs in the most recent release which are fixed only in version control. 21:35:06 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@108-225-26-178.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:35:12 I like it because it has a strict implementation of LOOP! 21:35:38 after all, 3 years is only Moores Law x 2 :) 21:36:31 *Xach* wants to try patching SBCL loop to be stricter to see what breaks 21:36:38 sbcl's loose implementation of loop has been the result of a lot of non-portable code 21:36:59 jasom: or vice versa. 21:37:14 ecl and clisp seem to be the most strict 21:37:16 *drewc* does test out most of his apps and libs using clisp and cannot see anything 'wrong' with the implementation at all ... quite good actually 21:37:44 Xach: a full rewrite might be simpler than trying to make MIT LOOP pedantic :\ 21:37:58 -!- whitedawg [~whitedawg@122.179.47.165] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:38:07 pkhuong: the MKCL guy sent me a patch to try for a specific case 21:38:25 I have noticed it seems to issue style-warnings more than it used to 21:38:26 *joekarma* would use iterate all the time if it weren't for the fact macros so often break it 21:45:33 bnl [~bootneckl@kvm5.telegraphics.com.au] has joined #lisp 21:45:40 -!- bnl [~bootneckl@kvm5.telegraphics.com.au] has left #lisp 21:46:15 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@200-150-182-201.static-corp.ajato.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:46:34 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-203.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:47:12 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [] 21:47:27 -!- scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-71-167.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:48:46 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-217.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 21:50:23 two- [~1@c-67-171-131-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:50:49 -!- sirdancealot [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:52:17 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:52:33 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 21:53:24 -!- Euthy [~euthy@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:55:11 clariprincess [~princesit@186.89.95.147] has joined #lisp 21:55:39 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:56:20 ola 21:56:40 b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@46.36.172.132] has joined #lisp 21:56:54 Corvidium [~cosman246@D-69-91-157-49.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 21:57:28 scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-71-167.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 21:59:46 -!- dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 22:01:02 -!- joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Quit: joekarma] 22:01:11 -!- vlion [~vlion@66-87-69-1.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - 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Everything looks rock solid up to this point 22:33:43 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.86] has joined #lisp 22:34:28 OK! 22:34:32 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:35:01 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 22:38:21 ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:40:00 youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 22:41:16 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-217.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:41:38 -!- mutley89_ [~mutley89@host86-130-5-45.range86-130.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:41:45 -!- CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@mobilenet1-4-157-133.bulk.ucr.edu] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:42:12 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@D-69-91-157-49.dhcp4.washington.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:42:52 -!- AeroNoti1 [~xeno@aboh186.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 22:42:59 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-217.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 22:43:14 -!- ngz [~user@152.42.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:43:51 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@122.236.248.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:46:35 pyx [~pyx@d24-141-100-35.home.cgocable.net] has joined #lisp 22:47:02 -!- pyx [~pyx@d24-141-100-35.home.cgocable.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:48:09 -!- zophy [ceb02321@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.176.35.33] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:49:09 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:51:04 hiro3 [~hiro@p210079202073.cnh.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 22:51:28 adelgado1 [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 22:53:04 ok, so the common-lisp.net website should be back up 22:53:24 -!- natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 22:53:46 drewc: see http://common-lisp.net/project/iolib/ 22:53:47 paste.lisp.org, otoh, I do not know about and do not control ... drewc@drewc.org if anyone knows who does :) 22:54:06 I think stassats does 22:54:23 mutley89 [~mutley89@host86-130-5-45.range86-130.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 22:54:27 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:55:11 fe[nl]ix: ok yikes ... that means that my nginx rewrite skills are not up to par at all 22:57:32 drewc: why did you switch away from apache ? 22:58:02 stardiviner [~stardivin@122.236.248.96] has joined #lisp 23:02:02 nialo` [~nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 23:04:14 -!- vlion [~vlion@66-87-69-1.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 23:04:14 fe[nl]ix: I didn't ... I have been using nginx for a while :) Why is that apache is bloated, slow, does not work correctly, etc. But I will likely set it up with apache on that project. server simply because that will work and is what is there now ... cl-net is likely to be FUBARd for a while tbh 23:05:13 but, hey, when i am done it will be 'proper' IMO :P 23:05:26 -!- nialo [nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:11:29 so, I still use apache, but prefer nginx because it is something that I like and I stopped using PHP around 12 years ago and mod_list around 8 years ago, so do not need apache 23:11:47 mod_lisp* 23:15:14 oh! 23:15:30 fe[nl]ix: something is 'working correctly : http://common-lisp.net/project/iolib/index.shtml 23:16:09 so something is up with my rewrite thing ... hrm