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AutoLISP? 00:04:14 -!- CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@mobilenet1-4-157-120.bulk.ucr.edu] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:05:41 drewc: elisp? 00:05:46 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: ragequit] 00:05:57 emacs is an application? 00:06:02 also andrew mail 00:06:20 I was thinking that guile must be in a few apps as well 00:06:29 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@c-66-229-185-165.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:06:44 drewc: but that's a scheme implementation, right? 00:07:13 yeah, fair enough, it is. 00:07:30 Guile is Scheme, ECMAScript and a lot of things. 00:08:03 ohnoitsavram: so is my install of SBCL :) 00:08:49 and elisp for that matter ... but not AutoCAD ... no idea how to run that on top of CL at all. 00:09:00 Quadrescence: ahh 00:09:21 jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has joined #lisp 00:10:17 Guile might even support CL one day. 00:10:35 Only programs I use that have guile underneath are gnucash and lilypond 00:10:45 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:10:48 minimus [~minimus@108-67-31-24.lightspeed.okcbok.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 00:11:07 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:17 -!- tekai [~tekai@g224069074.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: zZZ] 00:12:49 _tca [~user@h151.25.91.207.static.ip.windstream.net] has joined #lisp 00:13:39 adelgado [~TomSawyer@c-66-229-185-165.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:14:33 linse [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1177917089.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 00:14:46 -!- Czechton [~Czechton@cpc8-lewi14-2-0-cust162.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:14:58 peterhil` [~peterhil@a91-154-228-71.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 00:16:15 -!- Knirr [~Knirr@c-da4ae555.143-16-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:17:22 sw2wolf [~czsq888@222.209.240.64] has joined #lisp 00:21:26 agumonkey [~agu@8.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 00:21:57 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@a91-154-228-71.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:23:33 groovy2shoes [~cory@unaffiliated/groovebot] has joined #lisp 00:24:31 -!- breakds [~breakds@wifi-116.cs.wisc.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:34:24 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@108-225-26-178.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:37:14 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@c-66-229-185-165.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:38:40 -!- naeg is now known as naeg|afk 00:38:57 peterhil` [~peterhil@a91-154-228-71.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 00:39:05 any idea why calling fork() would make sbcl have a fatal error? 00:39:16 GC invariant lost, file "thread.c" line 722 00:40:46 -!- groovy2shoes [~cory@unaffiliated/groovebot] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 00:42:44 jasom: mixing fork and threads rarely ends well. 00:42:51 fork doesn't duplicates threads. 00:42:59 SBCL has a special wrapper that makes sure only the main thread is running. 00:43:14 therefore, if an invariant of the GC involves more than one thread, after a fork it will be invalidated. 00:43:16 pkhuong: are there any threads going if I haven't used threads explicitly? This happens even outside of slime 00:43:58 jasom: nope. 00:45:32 I also don't have any gc assert around that line here. 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use vim?...i use vim but am thinking about learning emacs for lisp 11:48:18 the majority is using emacs 11:48:43 BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-034-009.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:49:06 i've heard something about running an interactive session within an emacs buffer?...that would be cool 11:49:20 minion: please tell protist about slime.mov 11:49:22 protist: have a look at slime.mov: "using SLIME" video by Marco Baringer, http://common-lisp.net/project/movies/movies/slime.mov 11:49:35 thank you 11:49:45 minion: have a botsnack 11:49:51 no 11:50:02 ok... 11:50:22 casion [~AdmiralBu@pool-71-99-141-240.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:50:22 <_death> why not have a youtube link instead 11:50:37 -!- _death is now known as adeht 11:50:39 why not both? 11:50:55 i seem to remember the youtube version being downscaled slightly 11:51:53 oh well 11:52:01 tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 11:52:18 minion: help term? 11:52:48 minion: help adding terms? 11:52:48 To add a term, say something like ``minion: add "term" as: the definition''. I will remember the definition. 11:53:04 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:53:08 anyone willing can change anything 11:54:32 youtube would be easier...aparently i am missing something for that file format 11:54:48 and opensuse isn't making fixing it obvious 11:55:54 protist: you're hindered by your own choice. 11:56:06 H4ns: im not on opensuse by choice 11:56:18 H4ns: Debian didn't provide good driver support for my ultrabook 11:56:19 -!- SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:02:21 segv- [~mb@dslb-088-075-158-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 12:10:30 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 12:11:19 clox_ [~user@rrcs-208-125-109-116.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:14:19 hagish [~hagish@e181022238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 12:14:20 setmeaway [~setmeaway@118.45.149.119] has joined #lisp 12:14:47 -!- doomlord [~doomlod@host81-159-234-112.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:15:56 Is it ok if I ask a question about slime here or there's special channel for this? 12:16:45 it is ok 12:16:53 #lisp is the channel for slime questions 12:16:56 sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 12:18:38 Does slime responsible for CL symbols completion or it's just emacs? 12:18:54 it is slime 12:19:22 Ok, then is this possible to force it to use dropdown menu for completion? 12:19:49 yes 12:19:53 How? 12:20:02 no idea 12:20:09 by using programming voodoo, i assume 12:20:23 Ok, question was stupid, I got it. 12:20:31 ehu [~Erik@109.37.166.108] has joined #lisp 12:20:45 if your question is "is there a variable to change that? then no" 12:21:04 is it possible? naturally, it is possible 12:21:34 but emacs sucks for advanced interfaces 12:21:35 I just wanted to know if I need to tweak emacs or slime for this. 12:21:51 Now I know that it's emacs problem. 12:21:53 Thanks. 12:21:59 SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 12:22:03 no, you need to adjust slime too 12:22:13 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:22:15 Damn. 12:22:34 the fuzzy completion arranges completion itself 12:23:01 -!- reckler [~reckler@ppp118-210-230-16.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:23:24 So I need to tweak fuzzy and emacs? 12:23:32 yes 12:23:36 Ok, thanks. 12:24:25 loke_ [~elias@bb119-74-80-38.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 12:24:26 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:24:40 hitecnologys: you can use auto-complete with slime to have a dropdown menu 12:25:06 daimrod: hm, let's try it 12:26:00 -!- tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:26:06 hitecnologys: with ac-slime + auto-complete 12:27:11 hitecnologys: https://github.com/daimrod/Emacs-config/blob/master/config-auto-complete.el#L64 You'll need both auto-complete and ac-slime in your load-path. IIRC they're available in ELPA. 12:28:36 Flame_Alchemist [~Flame_Alc@host245-236-dynamic.11-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 12:30:19 doomlord [~doomlod@host81-159-234-112.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 12:30:53 momo-reina [~user@121.54.58.146] has joined #lisp 12:32:12 groovy2shoes [~cory@unaffiliated/groovebot] has joined #lisp 12:33:38 MoALTz [~no@host86-142-161-119.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 12:33:59 momo-rei` [~user@121.54.58.146] has joined #lisp 12:34:07 -!- Joreji [~thomas@77-21-104-59-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:34:51 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:35:18 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 12:35:36 -!- momo-reina [~user@121.54.58.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:37:08 ISF [~ivan@187.64.222.221] has joined #lisp 12:38:33 -!- momo-rei` [~user@121.54.58.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:39:12 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:40:18 daimrod: doesn't work for me, strange. 12:40:49 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:43:37 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 12:44:15 -!- groovy2shoes [~cory@unaffiliated/groovebot] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 12:46:55 pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has joined #lisp 12:48:04 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:48:17 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:50:21 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 12:51:31 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:52:10 yati [~yati@122.170.31.228] has joined #lisp 12:53:08 what happened to common-lisp.net? 12:53:11 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:53:22 I needed to find the page on CL+SSL so I could find the address of its authour 12:54:01 http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-plus-ssl/ 12:54:13 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:55:13 yeh there used to be a project listing on main page, they didn't have to remove that did they? 12:56:06 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 12:56:30 przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 12:58:04 nan_: but look how modern it is! 13:02:24 OK, works now 13:02:25 thanks 13:02:30 :-) 13:07:24 daimrod: Finally made it work. Thanks, man. 13:07:39 hitecnologys: yw. 13:08:33 -!- ISF [~ivan@187.64.222.221] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:09:18 does loop have a syntax for m-v-b as well? 13:09:31 mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 13:09:55 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has quit [] 13:10:00 ISF [~ivan@187.64.222.221] has joined #lisp 13:10:59 nan_: no 13:11:32 H4ns: thanks 13:11:36 nan_: it's not very hard to write. 13:11:52 hitecnologys: loop is not extensible 13:11:56 i usually use (setf (values ...)) inside loop 13:12:04 there needs to be loop2.0 13:12:11 with bells and whistles, and hookers 13:12:23 and ponies 13:13:05 stassats: it's called iterate. 13:13:05 H4ns: loop isn't, but another macro inside loop is. 13:13:16 Sure, we need new loop definitely. 13:13:17 (though i haven't found the hookers yet) 13:13:19 ahungry [~null@66.184.106.97] has joined #lisp 13:13:24 segv-: it got too much parenthesis 13:15:04 instead of "as a = ..." would be "as a b = ...", elegant and all that 13:15:21 in addition to.. not instead 13:15:31 -!- leoncamel1 [~leoncamel@1.202.5.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:15:35 i'd settle for for (values a b) = .... 13:15:54 stassats: too many parens :) 13:16:10 I agree with stassats 13:16:27 (values a b) is easier to read. 13:16:27 *stassats* agrees with hitecnologys 13:16:35 segv-: it's lisp! 13:17:07 Just got the new edition of Gentle from Amazon shipped. 13:17:09 ('cause iterate has exactly that syntax) 13:17:15 segv-: by analogy with (setf (values a b) ...) 13:17:22 So much nicer than my old A4 printout. 13:17:48 any of you use iterate AND loop, the page about iterate some nice examples 13:18:02 stassats: i agree it makes sense, just saying it does exist in iterate. 13:18:04 well that sentence needed a question mark somewhere 13:18:16 bhyde [~bhyde@50.12.146.82] has joined #lisp 13:18:33 iterate adds some parenthesis, but still doesn't look like lisp 13:19:09 stassats: and loop does? 13:19:17 atleast with iterate C-M-t does what i need... 13:19:44 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@50.12.146.82] has quit [Client Quit] 13:19:47 segv-: but loop doesn't claim it is lispy so :) 13:19:47 loop does not either 13:20:04 iterate just adds a couple of nice things, but not enough improvement to bother 13:21:12 Shivers loop in CL. I don't know if Shivers would be happy or horrified (: 13:21:23 Instead of talking, I suggest to write new loop. 13:21:55 stassats: i can see that. 13:22:23 but i do like that someone else has already gone to the effort to figure out and implement the api for extending iterate so i don't have to. 13:22:51 and C-x C-t usually does the job in loop (except for the first and last lines) 13:22:53 suggest writing*, I'm a moron. 13:23:43 segv-: If it's the same person who wrote the documentation, I wouldn't trust their effort too much. 13:24:23 though, extensions is a tricky business, if everybody is using slightly different versions, it's hard to intercommunicate 13:25:01 The examples display an inability to make the difference between the expansion code and its result on the coder's part... That's how we end up with literal functions in macroexpansions. 13:25:15 i actually don't know how iterate is extended 13:25:57 hi segv- :) 13:26:03 an extensions to add ability to iterate over new data-types make sense 13:26:19 similarly to how extensible sequences work on sbcl 13:26:34 When you extend functionality, it's ok. But when you extend syntax, it's not ok, it makes code harder to read. 13:26:55 *hitecnologys* agrees with stassats again. 13:26:56 hitecnologys: so loop is not ok? 13:27:10 -!- yati [~yati@122.170.31.228] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:27:18 segv-: loop is ok because everyone got used to it. 13:27:22 loop wants to be extended because it's not complete even when it comes to the standard data types, if it were, there would have been less impetus to extend it 13:27:55 hitecnologys: well, then we disagree :) 13:28:26 or common idioms, like maximizing some derived value 13:28:27 ellusioner [~ellusione@178.174.170.167] has joined #lisp 13:28:31 i would at least expect it support multiple values though 13:29:09 m-v-b in loop is good idea, I agree. 13:29:24 banjiewen [~banjiewen@184.173.74.133-static.reverse.softlayer.com] has joined #lisp 13:29:53 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:30:13 (loop with x and y do (setf (values x y) (truncate a b))) is what i do 13:31:17 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105.228.31.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:31:18 not so bad, but "as x y = (truncate a b)" would be so much sweeter! 13:31:59 (values x y) = (truncate a b) is much better. 13:32:01 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:32:16 "would be" 13:33:17 for (x y) = (values-list (truncate a b)) 13:34:13 breakds [~breakds@ppp-70-226-163-93.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 13:35:07 values better, i agree now lets go implement it! 13:35:26 Harag [~Thunderbi@105.228.31.101] has joined #lisp 13:35:45 call it "SPIN" 13:36:04 I'm to lazy to implement it, lol :P 13:36:14 too* 13:36:23 or spool 13:36:31 soon 13:36:36 spoon* 13:36:38 bhyde [~bhyde@50.12.146.82] has joined #lisp 13:36:54 i'd name it loops 13:37:12 Let's call it "SPOON" for "There's no SPOON". 13:37:59 nan_: Lisp Object-Oriented Programming System? 13:38:49 of course it has to have an object oriented somewhere, we are after something modern after all 13:38:54 i am trying out defstruct for the first time and having difficulties..."illegal keyword/value pair" 13:38:58 minion: what does loops stand for? 13:38:59 Laurdalite Ohoy Outslide Parcenary Superomedial 13:39:17 This guy never tells lie. 13:39:41 minion: are you telling the truth? 13:39:42 no 13:39:47 Damn. 13:39:51 (defstruct this a b) (make-this :a 1 :b 2) i get an error 13:39:57 minon: what does lisp stand for? 13:40:05 that means he's lying, that means that he's telling the truth 13:40:05 minion: what does lisp stand for? 13:40:05 Lawn Intelligibility Synthesis Paresthesia 13:40:34 minion: what does SBCL stand for? 13:40:34 Would you /please/ stop playing with me? 3 messages in 52 seconds is too many. 13:41:00 minion: what does minion stand for? 13:41:01 protist: it works here 13:41:07 nan_: hmm 13:41:20 protist: what error? 13:41:38 oh god a heisenbug 13:41:46 it works now...inexplicably 13:42:18 minion just went into infinite loop 13:42:37 protist: probably it needed to be asked to work 13:42:38 no, minion just doesn't want to be bothered 13:42:47 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:42:48 Joreji [~thomas@77-21-104-59-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 13:42:49 maybe i was tracing instead of printing before 13:42:53 that seems to be the problem 13:42:59 _tca [~user@h151.25.91.207.static.ip.windstream.net] has joined #lisp 13:43:04 i was debugging...and trace doesn't like structures it seems 13:43:47 -!- corecode [~2@0x2c.org] has left #lisp 13:44:25 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:44:58 -!- ellusioner [~ellusione@178.174.170.167] has quit [Quit: Hihi] 13:46:43 yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:46:54 -!- yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:46:54 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 13:49:08 fyi - you can chat with minion privately 13:49:36 natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 13:50:17 is minion's linkage to cliki broken, or is there some clever syntax in the the cliki page that's required? 13:50:36 the new cliki doesn't implement ?source 13:51:13 leoncamel1 [~leoncamel@1.202.5.29] has joined #lisp 13:52:01 tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 13:53:06 hlavaty`` [~user@friedrichstrasse.knowledgetools.de] has joined #lisp 13:53:14 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:54:44 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:54:56 -!- hlavaty` [~user@friedrichstrasse.knowledgetools.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:55:59 -!- SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:57:04 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:58 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-181-59.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:04:59 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:05:03 dmiles [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:06:58 -!- segv- [~mb@dslb-088-075-158-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:08:50 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:10:18 alexander [5b09132a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.9.19.42] has joined #lisp 14:10:42 -!- alexander is now known as Guest18410 14:12:43 mmm, how to debug hunchentoot:define-easy-handler when the :uri returns a resource not found? 14:13:23 -!- Guest18410 [5b09132a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.9.19.42] has quit [Client Quit] 14:13:49 :uri returns something? 14:15:11 well, i mean, something which can be "a resource not found" 14:15:43 (hunchentoot:define-easy-handler (stats :uri "/stats") () (setf (hunchentoot:content-type*) "text/plain") (format nil "~{~a~^~%~}" (list-stats *stats*))) 14:15:51 dim: can you paste the code? describe it better? provide the error and backtrace? 14:16:19 and as I have no stats the function returns nil 14:16:31 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-189-33.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 14:16:38 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:16:43 which function? 14:16:49 the (list-stats) function returns nil, but that should still be something else than a resource not found, right? 14:17:00 there's no lisp error, no backtrace 14:17:08 that's why I'm at a loss 14:17:08 dim: did you create easy-acceptor, not just acceptor? 14:17:25 (defparameter *acceptor* (hunchentoot:start (make-instance 'hunchentoot:easy-acceptor :port 4242)) "embedded web server") 14:17:27 here's what I did 14:17:36 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:17:48 then what you do? 14:17:56 segv- [~mb@dslb-088-075-158-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 14:18:03 mmm, ok, pasting 14:18:44 http://paste.lisp.org/display/136387 14:19:18 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:19:27 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@50.12.146.82] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 14:19:28 dim: if you remove (push (hunchentoot:create-static-file-dispatcher-and-handler "/" (asdf:system-relative-pathname :parch "parch.html")) hunchentoot:*dispatch-table*), does it work? 14:19:43 trying 14:20:35 still resource not found 14:20:52 dim: btw, what js library do you use to draw graphs? 14:20:59 which* 14:21:06 highcharts 14:21:38 stassats: is there a usual way to debug those resource not found problems with hunchentoot? 14:21:42 dim: thx. 14:21:50 I started by copy/pasting a code I had that worked, note 14:21:52 przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 14:21:53 so I'm surprised 14:22:02 SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 14:22:24 dim: yes, it's called the "thinking hard" way 14:22:34 dim: do the other handlers work? 14:22:41 H4ns: yes 14:22:50 dim: do the other handlers change their behavior if you change and recompile them? 14:23:16 dim: does the /stats handler work if none of the other handlers are defined? 14:23:28 dim: you have /json-stats and /stats named stats 14:23:28 the others are hunchentoot:create-folder-dispatcher-and-handler and hunchentoot:create-static-file-dispatcher-and-handler so there's no behavior that I can change, IIUC 14:23:37 -!- Adlai` is now known as Adlai 14:23:38 dim: does /json-stats work? 14:23:41 /json-stats overwrites /stats 14:23:52 ah, that was the "looking hard" way 14:24:05 wow, well done stassats 14:24:14 I wish I had a principle way to find that out 14:24:16 actually, that was one of my first guesses without looking at the code 14:24:42 like "add some logs" or "it's a compilation problem, use ql:quickload in verbose mode 14:25:01 usual suspects are good to know about too of course 14:25:05 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 14:25:06 anyways, thanks a lot, again 14:25:49 -!- tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:26:17 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.85.80] has joined #lisp 14:26:50 -!- `arrdem` [~user@resnet-45-187.dorm.utexas.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:26:52 -!- Joreji [~thomas@77-21-104-59-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:27:11 `arrdem [~user@wireless-206-76-72-34.public.utexas.edu] has joined #lisp 14:31:13 Have someone ever tried clfswm? 14:31:15 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.85.80] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:31:15 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:31:39 -!- asedeno_ [asedeno@nat/google/x-mcujdcjjwpoqrohp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:32:18 It's CL wm. I'm just curious and I'm not able to test it now. 14:33:09 asedeno [asedeno@nat/google/x-aciigosfjenipyry] has joined #lisp 14:36:15 adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 14:36:47 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #lisp 14:37:14 is *standard-output* a special variable? I can override it dynamically in a let form, right? 14:37:31 dim: yes, you can. 14:37:33 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:37:41 (with-output-to-string (o) (let ((*standard-output* o)) (format t "plop"))) 14:37:45 yeah that works 14:37:51 so I have another bug... 14:38:24 protip: (with-output-to-string (*standard-output*) (format t "plop")) 14:39:33 Oh god, why am I always agree with stassats? ._. 14:39:45 but not all operator print to the standard output 14:39:50 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:40:12 nice tip, thanks 14:40:18 I'm using format only in that case 14:40:23 but in multiple threads 14:40:23 hitecnologys: i wonder who would disagree with this protip 14:40:37 well, bindings are thread local 14:40:41 as always 14:41:02 subtlepath: sure. 14:41:06 stassats: sure. 14:41:24 Dan autocomplete. 14:41:40 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 14:41:50 Damn*, something is wrong with my hands or head... 14:42:06 zypeh [~zypeh@175.140.130.195] has joined #lisp 14:42:16 hello there 14:42:24 zypeh: hi 14:43:11 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 14:43:33 linse [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1177917089.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 14:44:10 zophy [ceb02321@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.176.35.33] has joined #lisp 14:46:29 -!- mal_ [mal@ks24170.kimsufi.com] has quit [Quit: ircII EPIC5-1.1.2 -- Are we there yet?] 14:48:33 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:51:10 mal_ [mal@ks24170.kimsufi.com] has joined #lisp 14:52:01 bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:52:05 tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 14:53:00 damn, formatting date ranges is hard 14:53:04 sellout- [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has joined #lisp 14:53:26 *stassats* can't get the amount of spaces right 14:53:33 stassats: lol 14:54:43 przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 14:55:29 [. 14:55:29 [09:47:35] Jane Walerud: big 'uns 14:55:29 [12:05:07] Tobias C Rittweiler: Kadir asks for my presentation I gave, ideally including the tcpgraphs. Please advise on this matter. (If there are worries, a compromise would be to only send tcpgraphs that visualize unoptimized behaviour.) 14:55:29 [14:35:39] Chris Taylor: Thanks for the info Juho 14:55:32 [14:37:32] Jane Walerud: Do send the presentation including unoptimized tcp graphs, and say t 14:55:53 all the different cases: 2009-2009, Mar 29 - Apr 03 2013, Mar 29-31 2013, Mar 29 2013 - Mar 31 2014 14:55:57 stassats: not sure how you need your formatting, but i use "~A~4t~2D ~4D ~2D:~2,'0D:~2,'0D~A" as one of the date formats i need to have. 14:56:00 -!- SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:56:20 stassats: oh /ranges/ 14:56:34 dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:57:21 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:57:45 eichelbart_ [~eichelbar@91-65-58-72-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 14:58:32 Krystof: and that's how things are leaked, by uncareful copy-pastes 14:59:26 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:59:37 -!- zophy [ceb02321@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.176.35.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:00:35 mutley89 [~mutley89@host86-162-137-53.range86-162.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 15:01:24 -!- eichelbart [~eichelbar@24.134.88.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:03:29 sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has joined #lisp 15:05:13 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:06:35 przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 15:10:40 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756b49.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:11:13 gst_ [~gst@104-252-AGAVEBB-NM.abq.nm.agavebb.net] has joined #lisp 15:11:21 victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has joined #lisp 15:15:48 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:16:03 -!- breakds [~breakds@ppp-70-226-163-93.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:16:05 http://paste.lisp.org/display/136389 seems to do the job 15:18:57 ck_ [~ck@dslb-094-219-154-080.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 15:19:10 nope, that produces (%format-date-range 2013 3 29 2013 3 nil ) => "29-Mar 2013" 15:19:28 http://paste.lisp.org/display/136389#1 looks better 15:20:30 breakds [~breakds@ppp-70-226-163-93.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 15:20:54 that does not work on "29 Mar - 2013", adding (not end-month) to start-year fixes that 15:21:00 -!- gst_ [~gst@104-252-AGAVEBB-NM.abq.nm.agavebb.net] has quit [Quit: Quit] 15:21:05 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:22:01 (the dates can be of decreasing exactness, 29 mar 2013, mar 2013, and just 2013) 15:22:03 SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 15:25:55 -!- tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:26:06 can anyone recommend some lisp-based packet control library ? 15:26:10 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 15:28:30 joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lisp 15:29:51 what sort of packet and what kind of control 15:29:59 Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 15:30:06 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 15:30:21 xristos: TCP/IP cause I want to make a simple firewall 15:30:21 knob [~knob@66.50.1.179] has joined #lisp 15:30:53 you can try my binding to libpcap: https://github.com/atomontage/plokami 15:31:41 you'll need more code to make a firewall though 15:32:09 xristos: yea I will.... I am still a beginner in lisp though 15:33:12 -!- ck_ [~ck@dslb-094-219-154-080.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:33:46 ck_ [~ck@dslb-094-219-154-080.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 15:37:16 smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has joined #lisp 15:39:54 dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:40:50 Fare: i was optimistic that this would be a better approach, but sadly "configure" is loading before "clsql" inspite of the :serial t . http://paste.lisp.org/display/136381#2 15:44:08 Asgeir [~asgeir@sal63-1-82-243-96-129.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 15:44:19 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@24.56.241.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:44:20 agumonkey [~agu@8.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 15:44:24 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:44:55 Subfusc [~Subfusc@tjenen.de] has joined #lisp 15:46:08 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:47:43 -!- zypeh [~zypeh@175.140.130.195] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 15:49:50 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:49:53 zypeh [~zypeh@175.140.130.195] has joined #lisp 15:50:41 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 15:51:22 antonv [5d7d2a66@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.102] has joined #lisp 15:51:41 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:52:04 tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 15:55:41 -!- SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:56:29 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:56:46 hi Fare 15:56:51 -!- breakds [~breakds@ppp-70-226-163-93.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:57:19 _veer [~veer@pool-108-33-26-144.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:57:19 -!- _veer [~veer@pool-108-33-26-144.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:57:19 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 15:57:50 -!- joe9 [~user@c-24-98-97-215.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:59:41 m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.228.221] has joined #lisp 16:00:19 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:01:05 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 16:02:31 pierpa` [~user@95.234.223.231] has joined #lisp 16:05:22 -!- pierpa [~user@host64-198-dynamic.211-62-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:07:52 -!- zypeh [~zypeh@175.140.130.195] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 16:09:15 wheelsucker [~user@ip68-105-66-161.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:09:28 -!- Flame_Alchemist [~Flame_Alc@host245-236-dynamic.11-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:09:53 Good morning everyone =) 16:10:09 buenos dias! 16:11:28 Hey! Hola! 16:11:43 Flame_Alchemist [~Flame_Alc@host245-236-dynamic.11-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 16:12:31 sorry. that's all the spanish i know 16:12:41 -!- dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:12:41 well, that and how to order a beer 16:13:05 loll 16:15:12 -!- sellout- [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:17:26 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:21:06 -!- borodust [pauk@stdev.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22:08 SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 16:22:33 stassats: by copy-pastes executed by 20-month-olds 16:22:38 (sorry, all) 16:22:52 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:23:02 not enough trade secrets 16:23:23 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 16:24:28 I know; frankly, I consider myself having escaped lightly, judging by what was missed! 16:24:53 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:25:01 attack vector: a baby 16:25:21 also, I am lucky that I didn't leave it on the console, where my latest attempt at beating *$£^"£&$^ Dungeon Crawl is progressing nicely 16:25:51 -!- loke_ [~elias@bb119-74-80-38.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:25:52 -!- tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:27:13 bhyde: this is an extremely bad idea, and I'm going to add something to asdf to make it result in an error 16:27:42 *stassats* always has a trouble writing sort predicates where one of the values are invalid 16:28:08 -!- xificurC [~xificurC@adsl-dyn236.78-98-85.t-com.sk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:29:19 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:29:29 why exactly? seems reasonable to me that a def system facility would allow out to control load order and interleave files and systems 16:29:45 out -> one 16:30:17 systems are toplevel objects 16:30:29 having systems at any other level is sure to mess up dependencies 16:30:58 you can't control the order in which other systems are loaded 16:31:10 they may have been loaded already by someone else that depends on you 16:31:16 that pretty much precludes the system authors from every writing "before loading my system do x,y,z" or "after loading my system " 16:31:23 yes yes yes 16:31:38 this just doesn't make sense in asdf 16:32:35 well, you could add actions with perform methods in the dependencies of prepare-op system, or perform after methods to load-op system. 16:32:53 perform before on prepare-op, rather. 16:33:35 but that has to be your system 16:33:42 you can't do that on another system. 16:36:38 so what the clsql authors are saying "before you load clsql-mysql, but after you load clsql, be sure you have setup up the foreign library path" can be ethically done in asdf (i could put a perform before on clsql-mysql; but you that's inappropriate) 16:36:41 wheelsucker, haha it's all good =) 16:37:05 they could add yet another init file they load, which is ugly 16:37:43 but they can't call a hook, or check a property, or raise a signal, etc. etc. since ay of those require that my system get a chance to establish some state before their systems are loaded 16:38:14 can be ethically -> can not be done ethically 16:38:39 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-131-209.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:39:05 s/ethically/reliably/ 16:39:35 let's not muddy the waters of discourse here 16:39:56 fair enough 16:40:10 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 16:42:36 as it stands it is not possible to use asdf to load clsql-mysql, presuming that I want to tell it where to find the mysql libraries in my lisp code 16:42:52 that doesn't seem like a happy outcome 16:43:08 seems like you should talk to the clsql people about their interface? 16:43:54 i don't see as there is anything they can do to help 16:44:08 (lambda (date1 date2) (cond ((not date1) date2) ((not date2) nil) (t (> date2 date1)))) looks like is the way 16:44:21 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 16:44:59 they can't find the libraries unless I tell them where to look, and asdf isn't willing to provide a moment when I can tell them anything prior to loading subsystems 16:45:19 bhyde: indeed, clsql is broken 16:45:48 well i think fare's right, i mean, you have to deal with the case where clsql has already been loaded long before your system, regardless of asdf 16:45:59 exactly 16:46:18 asdf has a component model that is supposed to work when you incrementally load new components 16:46:35 i understand what you desire, i think a bit of effort to understand what I need and what they can and can't do would help 16:46:52 by the way, reading ancient code with its own defsystems makes me appreciate asdf more, so thanks for existing, asdf 16:47:12 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:47:44 in effect your arguing that no system can ask it's users to provide it some knowledge that it needs to get going, i.e. that no system can be parameterized in anyway 16:48:16 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:49:07 just have them have a freaking initialization function 16:49:25 freaking eh :) 16:49:26 do not load libraries at build time. 16:49:41 it is verbotten 16:49:43 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:50:06 bhyde: I mean, there's no reason a user couldn't load clsql, and then hours later load your system. There's no way your system could reasonably parametrize clsql's loading. 16:50:19 if there were a reliable way to detect that it's being done at the wrong moment, I'd have asdf throw a fit over it and electrocute the programmer. 16:50:25 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:51:26 no system can be parametrized at build time -- indeed 16:51:38 unless it's done by the toplevel build script, which is ugly 16:51:53 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:51:56 if you want to add a proper feature to asdf -- patches accepted. 16:52:05 tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 16:52:05 but that's just not possible right now. 16:52:20 that conflicts might arise between multiple users of a system isn't an argument for preventing the parameterization of systems, is it? 16:52:47 bhyde: it's an argument against the entire possibility of doing it reliably 16:53:06 i don't have much trouble inventing examples of parameterization of a system that I'd like to have in place at build time 16:53:07 and if you have a patch do it -- make sure that whenever it walks over dependencies, it electrocutes the programmer if the configuration has changed on a previously loaded system and there is no registered function to take that into account. 16:53:28 bhyde: I hope you don't have much trouble inventing proper patches to asdf. 16:55:07 sigh 16:55:48 and btw, I think that would be a great feature to add to asdf 16:55:52 but it's just not there yet 16:55:59 -!- SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:57:23 I can also imagine how such configuration information could be used to drive, e.g. which system gets mono-fasl'ed or not 16:57:44 damn, now i can't figure which sort order should it be when the arrow points up or down 16:58:08 stassats, uh? 16:58:30 why was :system added to :components? 16:58:39 Fare: the arrow indicating sort direction 16:58:44 arrow pointing up means "ascending", so the get bigger as you go down. 16:58:49 stassats, looking for uiop:stamp< ? 16:58:50 at least in the interfaces I can think about. 16:59:03 sort ... '< means from smaller to bigger 16:59:11 oh that 16:59:19 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-37-38.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:59:24 sykopomp: but the arrow points up, but it gets bigger going down? 16:59:32 i can't agree with myself on any way 16:59:35 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 16:59:40 stassats: I know, it's bizarre, but if you think of it as "ascending", it makes more sense. 16:59:54 you can also think of the arrow as a graphic showing the size. the lower, the fatter? 16:59:59 s/arrow/triangle/ 17:00:06 if you want from bottom to top, you use a predicate such that (pred bottom top) is true 17:00:14 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:17 i also have the following rationalization... right, what sykopomp means 17:00:25 sykopomp: it's a triangle 17:00:31 ikki [~ikki@187.208.137.85] has joined #lisp 17:00:41 so there's no arrow pointing to anything :) 17:00:51 how was ":system" added to "components" ? 17:00:59 where? when? by whom? 17:01:21 i never do figure what it means anyway, so i click it multiple times until i see the order i need 17:01:43 I need help. I'm trying to load one of my projects in slime but keep getting error while it loads rfc2388 saying "the octet sequence #(196) cannot be decoded." at line 29 col 29. It loads well in sbcl running separately. What's wrong? 17:02:05 character encoding in flexi-streams 17:02:23 "component-type := :module | :file | :system | other" which is why I could write http://paste.lisp.org/display/136381#2 and http://paste.lisp.org/display/136381#3 17:02:48 hitecnologys: you're using different external formats 17:03:05 stassats: how to fix this? Emacs problem again? 17:03:27 nope, PEBKAC 17:03:29 hitecnologys: are you using the latest quicklisp version? 17:03:30 stassats: I'm moving from vim to freshly installed emacs, sorry for stupidity. 17:04:05 H4ns: maybe, I downloaded it about a week ago. Is it fresh? 17:04:15 hitecnologys: yes, that is fresh 17:04:44 hitecnologys: what's the value of (stream-external-format *standard-input*)? 17:04:48 in emacs and in the console 17:04:48 that's probably an error. 17:05:00 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:05:02 Actually, it looks like an old defsystem would do things that way. 17:05:22 Lol, it throws error. 17:05:28 lol 17:05:39 voll witzig 17:05:50 H4ns: any further objection to this pull request? 17:06:08 It says stream is not of type SB-KERNEL:ANSI-STREAM. 17:06:10 Fare: non beyond my inline comments - you've not addressed all of them, i think 17:06:30 Slime is as fresh as possible, downloaded it today. 17:06:45 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:06:52 H4ns, oh, sorry. What's missing? 17:06:52 hitecnologys: (stream-external-format sb-sys:*stdin*) then 17:07:11 Fare: just the minor wording related things, should be just a few minutes 17:07:14 stassats: (:ASCII :REPLACEMENT #\?) 17:07:32 you mean in the docs? 17:07:34 right, so, that's not what you probably want 17:08:03 I thought I had fixed that 17:08:05 so, your emacs session doesn't have the same LANG variable as the console 17:08:07 Fare: yes, those. 17:08:09 stassats: how to fix this? I've never had such problems, sorry for beeing a moron. 17:08:30 stassats: lol. 17:08:50 stassats: hilarious! 17:08:56 if you use slime-lisp-implementations for starting sbcl, there's :env parameter 17:11:06 spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has joined #lisp 17:12:08 stassats: if I use inferior-lisp-program, I should change it to s-i-i, right? 17:12:25 that's one way, yes 17:13:27 bhyde_ [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:13:28 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:13:28 -!- bhyde_ is now known as bhyde 17:14:05 puchacz_ [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 17:14:45 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756b49.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 17:15:11 Like this: (setq s-l-i '((sbcl ("/usr/bin/sbcl") :env ("LANG=ru_RU.UTF-8"))))? 17:15:19 probably 17:15:36 stassats: ok, thanks. 17:15:43 depends on whether it works or not 17:15:51 (i don't really use slime-lisp-implementations) 17:17:06 -!- cYmen_ [~cymen@squint.a-oben.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:17:36 cYmen [~cymen@squint.a-oben.org] has joined #lisp 17:17:43 breakds [~breakds@wifi-116.cs.wisc.edu] has joined #lisp 17:18:31 -!- `arrdem [~user@wireless-206-76-72-34.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:19:24 -!- bitonic [~user@ppp-232-137.27-151.libero.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:20:24 omgomg, it works! 17:20:31 stassats: thank you a lot. 17:21:00 bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:22:06 SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 17:23:38 L-tyrosine [~chatzilla@2001:558:600b:f:5c9c:e310:ef19:5dee] has joined #lisp 17:24:42 H4ns, yes, I already updated the docs 17:26:08 -!- tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:26:46 sdemarre [~serge@194.81-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 17:27:07 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:28:11 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.127.74] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:29:26 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:30:06 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 17:32:19 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:32:26 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:33:23 fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.32.235] has joined #lisp 17:34:28 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:34:42 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:36:21 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:37:41 przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 17:38:12 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.127.74] has joined #lisp 17:38:55 -!- ehu [~Erik@109.37.166.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:39:56 -!- ck_ [~ck@dslb-094-219-154-080.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:40:33 snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 17:41:15 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 17:43:52 Fare: there are cases where the libraries are needed at build-time 17:44:05 -!- L-tyrosine [~chatzilla@2001:558:600b:f:5c9c:e310:ef19:5dee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 18.0.2/20130201065344]] 17:47:13 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:48:07 sellout- [~Adium@67.51.227.94] has joined #lisp 17:48:15 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:50:49 n4techan [~natechan@220.sub-174-229-0.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 17:50:56 eldariof [~CLD@215-134-158-212.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #lisp 17:52:10 tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 17:52:42 -!- natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:52:42 -!- n4techan is now known as natechan 17:54:56 -!- ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:55:49 -!- SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:55:55 n4techan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 17:56:44 -!- natechan [~natechan@220.sub-174-229-0.myvzw.com] has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:56:45 -!- n4techan is now known as natechan 17:57:04 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:58:17 fe[nl]ix, yes, and there are cases when build-time is already run-time for existing libraries. So in general, I can't detect that it's being done wrong. 17:58:21 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #lisp 17:58:31 still, cffi ought to have a better way of handling things. 17:58:50 probably something to be done in synch with asdf's new image support. 17:58:51 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:01:06 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:04:16 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.21.167.147] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:06:31 `arrdem [~user@resnet-45-187.dorm.utexas.edu] has joined #lisp 18:07:34 -!- natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 18:07:55 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@101.175.65.1] has joined #lisp 18:10:11 I need to go. Goodbye everyone! 18:10:13 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@176.62.102.48] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 18:11:27 Fare: handle what ? 18:12:59 -!- pierpa` [~user@95.234.223.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:13:20 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:13:23 natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 18:13:43 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:19:17 -!- sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has quit [] 18:19:33 -!- wc_ is now known as wc 18:20:23 pierpa` [~user@95.234.223.231] has joined #lisp 18:21:31 -!- Asgeir [~asgeir@sal63-1-82-243-96-129.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:22:06 SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 18:25:51 -!- tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:25:51 -!- joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:26:13 -!- doomlord [~doomlod@host81-159-234-112.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:26:25 joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lisp 18:27:44 SurlyFrog [~Adium@c-24-118-228-15.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:30:26 handle the loading, unloading, reloading of .so's 18:30:45 Hi all, is there a way to declare that a package is going to exist prior to evaluating a `defpackage' form? I have a package A which will use a single function out of package B. Package B uses a single parameter from package A. I'm building things using ASDF. 18:30:53 the fact that we may or may not want to link individual .so's together just as for monolithic-fasl-op 18:31:11 or that, on some implementations, they may actually be included in the fasl-op 18:31:34 SurlyFrog: declare them both in a different file from the symbols using them 18:31:44 (when (find-package 'a) ...) 18:32:02 Fare: that requires eval-when magic 18:32:05 Fare: you can't link together shared objects 18:32:13 dlowe: I didn't quite follow that 18:32:27 SurlyFrog, or have both A and B import that symbol from a package AB 18:32:45 fe[nl]ix, but you can link together the same .o's 18:32:59 SurlyFrog: have a package.lisp file with defpackage A and defpackage B defined 18:33:06 Fare: sure. So basically there is no way to do a `(declare )' and sort it out 18:33:16 sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has joined #lisp 18:33:20 SurlyFrog: then make A.lisp and B.lisp depend on package.lisp 18:33:48 dlowe: I went for that, which will work. Package B depends on a couple of other packages.so ASDF was complaing bout it. 18:33:51 a declaration would take effect after the forms had been read, which is not what you want 18:34:02 Fare: so ? almost nobody uses CFFI wrappers 18:34:35 I'll make a single package.lisp file with all four of the packages in my ASDF system stuffed into it. 18:34:39 thanks 18:35:06 you could also change your architecture to avoid cycles in your dependency graph 18:35:20 but that may not be practical 18:35:55 dlowe: yeah, that would be preferred, but there is just this one thing that makes it tricky for now. 18:38:13 doomlord [~doomlod@host81-159-234-112.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 18:38:44 -!- sellout- [~Adium@67.51.227.94] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:42:13 ed_g [~quassel@75-164-192-226.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:43:05 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:43:11 -!- leo2007 [~leo@111.161.47.175] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.3.1] 18:45:08 -!- clop [~jared@moat3.centtech.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:45:10 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:45:17 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:50:54 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-237-228.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:52:03 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-237-228.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 18:52:08 tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 18:52:31 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:54:37 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:55:49 -!- SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:57:20 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 18:58:15 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:59:08 ncw [~ncw@host31-54-161-130.range31-54.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 18:59:50 I just realized I am not processing keyword arguments in function calls properly in my compiled code - it's worked since day one but is playing havoc with CALL-NEXT-METHOD. 19:00:20 How do you process keyword arguments in compiled code? 19:00:45 Let's say I (defun foo (&keys (x 1) (y 2) (z 3)) ...) 19:00:55 sellout- [~Adium@67.51.227.94] has joined #lisp 19:01:04 Then I call (foo :y 102 :x 103) 19:01:53 What is the quickest way to fill an array of three slots with the values for [:x,:y,:z] -> [103,102,3] 19:02:09 -!- natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 19:02:36 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-131-209.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:02:37 (foo :allow-other-keys t :y 107 :allow-other-keys nil :w 'hi :x 44), have fun 19:03:25 Bike: Exactly - how does one handle something like that efficiently? 19:03:44 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.32.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:04:17 natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 19:04:23 Is that a valid call? 19:04:27 yep. 19:05:17 to start out with you could probably just have a routine that parses a key plist in the obvious way. an optimization might be including an entry point in &key functions that just works normally, that you can jump straight to if all the keys are known at compile time? 19:05:21 dtm` [~dtm@adsl-69-110-0-230.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 19:06:06 -!- natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:06:25 -!- joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Quit: joekarma] 19:08:42 -!- cnl [~pony@bitdiddle.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:09:06 In your example, the :allow-other-keys t overrides the second one - correct? 19:09:40 It must or the :w 'hi would cause it to throw 19:10:41 natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 19:12:27 CLHS 3.4.1.4.1.1 Only the left-most pair named :ALLOW-OTHER-KEYS has any effect 19:12:57 Asgeir [~asgeir@sal63-1-82-243-96-129.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:13:26 Ok, so that's not a problem. I scan the function arguments first and look for :allow-other-keys t and merge that with &allow-other-keys 19:15:00 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 19:15:49 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 19:16:05 Then I process the arguments like a p-list, looking up the activation-frame index for each passed keyword and putting the keyword argument value into the activation-frame at the proper position. 19:16:16 joekarma [~joekarma@184.151.231.91] has joined #lisp 19:16:29 drmeister: easy except that you have to do it in runtime too, to handle APPLY and FUNCALL 19:17:04 -!- porterage05 [~porterage@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: porterage05] 19:17:52 dlowe: I do that. I had to implement this twice, once in the interpreter (where I got it right) and once in the compiler (where I thought I would be clever - got it wrong and lost a couple of weeks trying to figure out why CALL-NEXT-METHOD was crashing). 19:18:16 drmeister: that's rough 19:18:27 Yes, I was starting to pull my hair out. 19:18:34 dotemacs [uid801@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eodymfrvwtrtiqnm] has joined #lisp 19:20:06 wow, I didn't know about :allow-other-keys 19:20:50 I think all the compiler macros I ever wrote are incorrect in that regard 19:20:57 :D 19:21:14 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:21:16 ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has joined #lisp 19:21:35 So here I am, implementing it again and looking for advice on how to do it most efficiently. I would (and did in my interpreter) implement it in three stages: 1) iterate through the arguments and look for :allow-other-keys t 2) iterate through arguments and fill the activation frame with keyword values/sensors=t 3) iterate through the activation-frame looking for unbound values, look up the functions keyword init 19:21:35 ializer, evaluate it and set the sensors to nil. 19:21:56 It still seems like a lot of work to call a function. 19:22:11 SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 19:22:37 fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.32.235] has joined #lisp 19:23:11 Each function call with keyword arguments means two passes through the argument keywords and one pass through the functions keyword list. 19:23:14 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:23:24 why do you need to look for allow-other-keys first? 19:24:12 Just look for it in the single pass, and defer potentially throwing any errors until after you've finished parsing and you know if it was there or not 19:24:25 foom: So that if other-keys are not allowed I can trigger an exception in stage 2 and if they are allowed I can skip them. 19:24:46 przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:24:52 foom: Oh, that's a good idea. 19:24:54 mabes12 [~mabes12@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:25:58 -!- tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:25:58 That would just require a temporary stack variable to keep track of whether I saw :allow-other-keys t or an unknown keyword. 19:28:05 And that's why I ask these questions - thank you. 19:29:35 aeron [~aeron@bas4-toronto21-1176311949.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 19:30:10 -!- protist [~protist@38.172.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:32:29 -!- joekarma [~joekarma@184.151.231.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:37:24 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:39:48 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 19:40:42 joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lisp 19:40:43 -!- sellout- [~Adium@67.51.227.94] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:40:58 -!- jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:43:57 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:45:46 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:46:43 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:50:18 Czechton [~Czechton@cpc8-lewi14-2-0-cust162.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 19:51:27 <_8david`> fe[nl]ix: I am here 19:52:11 tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 19:53:20 -!- spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Quit: spacefrogg_] 19:56:00 -!- SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:57:00 leo2007 [~leo@111.161.47.175] has joined #lisp 19:57:20 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:57:44 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@gray-47.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has joined #lisp 19:57:44 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@gray-47.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has quit [Changing host] 19:57:44 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has joined #lisp 19:59:33 -!- sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has quit [] 20:00:58 -!- Asgeir [~asgeir@sal63-1-82-243-96-129.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:03:50 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:04:20 stassats: does your vorbis lib support retrieving all comments in the header, or just a select few as per the example? 20:04:34 i don't know, you have to try it 20:04:38 ehu [~ehu@109.35.164.123] has joined #lisp 20:05:53 heh ok 20:06:02 mixalot does not either 20:06:07 adelgado1 [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 20:06:13 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:06:16 <_schulte_> can anyone point me to documentation of the #+foo style comments? 20:06:18 even if it doesn't, it should be easy to add such a support 20:06:22 clhs #+ 20:06:22 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_dhq.htm 20:06:36 <_schulte_> stassats: thanks 20:07:34 axion: and i'm not sure which binary-data "ogg" is using 20:08:18 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:08:46 i can't seem to add support in mixalot, but i'll try yours 20:08:51 -!- dtm` [~dtm@adsl-69-110-0-230.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:08:58 probably monkeylib-binary-data should work 20:08:58 i'm not very good with binary readers 20:09:11 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:09:24 report back your findings, maybe i can muster something up 20:09:27 dtm` [~dtm@adsl-69-110-0-230.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 20:09:46 primarily i just need albumartist support to cateogirized correctly 20:10:15 but a few others will be helpful as well 20:10:16 will do 20:10:35 -!- k-stz [~user@HSI-KBW-095-208-250-022.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:10:46 by looking at the code, looks like it should give you all the comments 20:11:27 drmeister: if a keyword shows up twice in a keys argument list, you always use the first one, including with :allow-other-keys. 20:13:53 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-55-39.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:14:15 Is there a way to get the name of the current defun at macroexpand time? (for example (defun foo () (some-macro)) I would like to be able to get "foo" to use in the expansion of "some-macro" 20:14:23 no 20:14:38 okay, I didn't think so. 20:15:36 axion: i'm off, you can open an issue or leave a memo through minion 20:18:48 oticat` [~oticat@114-25-206-27.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 20:19:02 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@108-225-26-178.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:19:34 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-25-41.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 20:19:53 -!- ehu [~ehu@109.35.164.123] has quit [Quit: Bye] 20:20:08 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:20:36 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:20:51 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:20:54 -!- Flame_Alchemist [~Flame_Alc@host245-236-dynamic.11-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:22:13 SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 20:22:44 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:26:18 -!- tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:26:19 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 20:27:30 zophy [ceb02321@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.176.35.33] has joined #lisp 20:28:31 -!- aeron [~aeron@bas4-toronto21-1176311949.dsl.bell.ca] has left #lisp 20:30:42 ehu_ [~ehu@109.35.164.123] has joined #lisp 20:31:56 -!- natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 20:32:28 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:32:51 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.32.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:33:16 rude_chatter [18b32b27@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.179.43.39] has joined #lisp 20:33:33 przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:33:47 is there a predicate in sbcl to differentiate between a list made with #'list and a dotted list made with #'cons? 20:34:10 rude_chatter: (consp (last x)) 20:34:31 rude_chatter: though it doesn't matter how they are made; you can make a list with cons if you want 20:34:51 the problem is, dolist hates dotted lists 20:34:53 -!- ehu_ [~ehu@109.35.164.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:34:56 -!- doomlord [~doomlod@host81-159-234-112.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:35:04 rude_chatter: because they aren't proper lists 20:35:17 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.240] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:35:32 ill humble myself; is there an easy way to make a cons a proper list? 20:35:52 i tried just making a new list of the car and cdr of the cons, but the type of each item remains a cons 20:35:53 er it should be rather (not (null (cdr (last x))) 20:36:00 rude_chatter: what are you doing, exactly? 20:36:26 thats actually a rather difficult question 20:36:29 LIST is for lists, CONS is for conses ... 20:36:33 because i kinda just do random ass shit 20:36:40 rude_chatter: you need to understand what a cons and a list is I think; I could answer that question but then I'll be answering a lot more questions like it later 20:36:57 i understand the difference 20:37:08 but listp and consp give back T for both conses and lists 20:37:17 and dolist doesnt work with conses 20:37:26 listp is true of anything that's a cons or null. 20:37:34 shit, thats right 20:37:34 (defun listp (x) (or (consp x) (null x))) 20:37:36 rude_chatter: dolist works just fine with conses, since the first element in a non empty list is a cons 20:37:46 -!- mabes12 [~mabes12@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: mabes12] 20:37:52 er I said that wron 20:37:59 a non-empty list is a cons 20:38:11 (the first element is the car of that cons) 20:38:17 (dolist (x (cons 4 5)) (format t "~A " x)) 20:38:20 fails for me 20:38:27 that's because (cons 4 5) doesn't make a list 20:38:37 (cons 4 (cons 5 nil)) would be a list 20:38:42 LIST is for lists, CONS is for conses ... 20:39:06 why is (cons 4 (cons 5 nil)) a list and not (cons 4 5) ? 20:39:09 <|3b|> 'proper list' not just list, (cons 4 5) is a list 20:39:12 what am i missing here 20:39:12 rude_chatter: are you familiar with the concept of a linked list (in general)? 20:39:18 rude_chatter: a list is just a chain of conses ending in nil. 20:39:23 |3b|: true dat 20:39:43 i think, the car of each item is itself, and the cdr is a list of all the items after it, or something 20:39:54 rather, "list" can be recursively defined: NIL is a list, and (cons a b) is a list if B is a list. 20:39:57 the last CONS element in a proper list is the empty list 20:39:57 but you can change the cars and cdrs of stuff to whatever you want 20:40:13 rude_chatter: are you familiar with the concept of a linked list (in general, as in not specific to lisp)? 20:40:31 i dont know 20:40:58 rude_chatter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_list 20:41:02 the concept is probably familiar, but i couldnt define it if i was asked to 20:41:08 bitonic [~user@ppp-232-137.27-151.libero.it] has joined #lisp 20:41:12 oh 20:41:20 ok yeah, gentle intro uses those diagrams for everything 20:41:23 cells 20:42:19 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:42:26 ting12 [~ting12@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:42:30 -!- adelgado1 is now known as adelgado 20:42:56 CONS has two cells, they are called CAR and CDR 20:43:05 i understand 20:43:57 A proper list is a chain of cons for which the CAR of each CONS is an item in the list and the CDR is the next CONS; it terminates with nil 20:44:14 so a list is a bunch of conses 20:44:16 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:44:17 but without dots 20:44:21 and has a regular format 20:44:24 So (cons 4 nil) is the same as (list 4) 20:44:32 It's also the same as (4 . nil) 20:44:33 ok that makes a lot of sense 20:45:18 rude_chatter: '(1 . 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(4 . nil)))) <-- try typing that into the REPL 20:45:25 i have a function #'flatten that can take '(4 5 6 (1 2 3)) and return '(4 5 6 1 2 3), and its failing with conses 20:45:28 there _are_ dots, they are just hiddenfrom view 20:45:41 bhyde [~bhyde@50.12.146.82] has joined #lisp 20:45:44 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@50.12.146.82] has quit [Client Quit] 20:46:00 rude_chatter: it's not failing with CONSes; any time you have a non-empty list you have CONSes 20:46:01 the dots represent the divide between the car and cons of each item of the list 20:46:03 right? 20:46:16 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@101.175.65.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:46:35 (a . b) is a representation for a CONS for which CAR is a and CDR is b 20:47:05 there are no dots -- there is no list 20:47:23 there is only abstraction 20:47:38 thats quaint 20:50:02 dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:50:03 bhyde [~bhyde@50.12.146.82] has joined #lisp 20:50:07 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@50.12.146.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50:08 rude_chatter: http://twimgs.com/ddj/images/article/2007/0706/070603mr_f2.gif 20:50:25 yeah i get that 20:50:36 see "CDR END" in that picture? If CDR END is nil, then you have a proper list, if it's not then you have something else 20:50:50 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-152-86.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:50:54 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 20:51:11 Either way you have CONSes 20:51:21 yeah 20:52:03 (listp (last x)) <-- Will tell you if you have a proper list, assuming it's not circular 20:52:12 tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 20:52:17 jasom: wrong. 20:52:20 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 20:52:23 (listp (cdr (last x)) 20:52:26 (listp '(1 . 2)) => t 20:52:33 jasom: ok. 20:52:46 lemme hop in an actual irc client, this webchat is terrible 20:52:51 -!- rude_chatter [18b32b27@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.179.43.39] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:53:04 cajetanus [~cajetanus@public-gprs384809.centertel.pl] has joined #lisp 20:53:09 But since it's the last cons cell, you can more simply test (null (cdr (last x))).. 20:56:02 couldn't you even save a character and use (not (cdr (last x))) 20:56:19 -!- SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:57:17 Ah, (null (last x 0)) 20:57:54 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-20-40.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:58:15 -!- ahungry [~null@66.184.106.97] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:58:46 rude_chatter1 [~hayden@24-179-43-39.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has joined #lisp 20:58:53 cool 20:59:00 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:59:01 so anyways 20:59:15 i understand the structure of a list 20:59:46 -!- justinmcp [quassel@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:3fac] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 21:00:10 justinmcp [quassel@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:3fac] has joined #lisp 21:01:29 i think (cdr (last x)) does the trick 21:02:43 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:04:44 gynna 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often plan to check the return values from. 21:45:42 while stassats is away, would anyone happen to know if (read-object) is part of any package, or was it mistakenly left out of his code here, referenced on line 100: https://github.com/stassats/ogg/blob/master/ogg-page.lisp 21:45:46 A few weeks ago, I was big into: (VALUES) 21:46:03 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 21:46:08 This week, I'm apparently into big (PROG1 ) blocks to return the most useful thing. 21:46:12 strg [~strg@a89-183-19-204.net-htp.de] has joined #lisp 21:47:08 -!- ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:47:15 tsuru`` [~charlie@adsl-74-240-217-186.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 21:47:23 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 21:47:46 (apropos "READ-OBJECT") would tell you. 21:47:57 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-189-33.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:48:03 -!- tsuru` [~charlie@adsl-98-87-45-147.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:48:04 axion: probably binary-data 21:48:37 -!- dioxirane [~xiph@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has quit [Quit: I did do the nasty in the pasty!] 21:48:57 interesting, i cant find it, and it produces an undefined error in my system 21:49:09 although i am using gigamonkeys binary-data....is there another? 21:49:32 dtm` [~dtm@adsl-69-110-0-230.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 21:49:37 ac l 21:49:38 bli 21:50:05 -!- cajetanus [~cajetanus@public-gprs384809.centertel.pl] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 21:50:15 sorry...wrong window 21:50:54 ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has joined #lisp 21:52:15 tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 21:52:29 -!- dtm` [~dtm@adsl-69-110-0-230.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:53:07 https://github.com/gigamonkey/monkeylib-binary-data/blob/master/binary-data.lisp -- has defgeneric of read-object 21:53:44 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:53:49 indeed it is part of com.gigamonkeys.binary-data, although the code produces a ogg::read-object undefined error 21:54:02 ohai patrickwonders . 21:54:06 i like prog1 21:54:08 But, it's not exported.. 21:54:16 Probably you need to implement methods for read-object to read your own objects. 21:54:23 using binary-data stuff. 21:54:51 -!- _d3f [~gnu@nl2.ovpn.to] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 21:55:14 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.32.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:55:22 Fare: a little bit of lispgame indie gaming press exposure http://indie-impressions.com/?p=1893 21:55:55 -!- SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:56:08 hmm, i'll wait for stasats. very unfamiliar with this library or binary streams in general 21:56:22 thanks 22:01:34 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-71-163-43-88.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:02:00 -!- sdemarre [~serge@194.81-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:02:54 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:06:27 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:07:47 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:10:40 -!- strg [~strg@a89-183-19-204.net-htp.de] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 22:11:14 -!- eichelbart_ [~eichelbar@91-65-58-72-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:14:13 -!- bitonic [~user@ppp-232-137.27-151.libero.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:15:11 I've read the docs for shadowing-import at least 5 times now, but it's not entirely clear to me: 22:15:38 if I am running shadowing-import on a symbol who's name is already being shadowing-imported, 22:15:54 should the implementation simply "undo" the previous shadowing import? 22:15:56 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: eternal darkness] 22:18:11 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:19:05 -!- smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.1.1] 22:20:08 Bike [~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:22:16 SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 22:22:20 <|3b|> ehu: sounds like it should 22:22:38 <|3b|> "If a different symbol of the same name is already present in package, that symbol is first uninterned from package." 22:23:26 right. I guess what's unclear to me is if shadowing symbols also get interned into a packege. 22:23:45 <|3b|> nd unintern removes symbol from package's shadowing symbols list if present 22:24:08 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:26:02 -!- tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:26:57 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-152-86.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:28:45 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-152-86.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:29:03 ok. I'm seeing this block of code, but I can't for the life of me figure out why it's triggering the assertion. 22:30:39 is kmrcl supported? 22:31:22 I think I reported some problems to it, but never got replies 22:31:37 przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 22:32:00 antonv: no idea. the last time it was updated in Debian by its maintainer (its author) is 2011 22:32:17 antonv: but it's included in Quicklisp and tinaa seems to depend on it. 22:32:31 -!- victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has quit [Quit: Leaving IRC - dircproxy 1.2.0] 22:32:44 (no idea what tinaa is, but it shows cl-test-grid failures) 22:34:33 -!- Hydan [~hydan@ip-89-103-110-116.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:34:43 -!- breakds [~breakds@wifi-116.cs.wisc.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:35:35 jerryzhou [~slackerui@58.245.253.218] has joined #lisp 22:35:46 eichelbart [~eichelbar@91-65-58-72-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 22:35:58 Siegfried1991 [~alex@gateway/tor-sasl/siegfried1991] has joined #lisp 22:36:04 -!- Siegfried1991 [~alex@gateway/tor-sasl/siegfried1991] has left #lisp 22:36:52 hmm I got sbcl to barf on a file that works fine on ccl (just a couple style-warnings for unused lexical variables) 22:37:06 if kmrcl is abandoned by the author, it is probably can be forked for maintenance purposes 22:37:45 jasom: happens 22:37:49 http://paste.lisp.org/+2X8U <-- any idea what might cause that? 22:38:41 Happens on 1.1.5 and 1.0.55 22:39:05 i guess you had a macro expand into a clambda? that's pretty weird, i think 22:39:27 <|3b|> jasom: probably need to see source to say specifically, probably either compiler bug or something odd in a macro expansion 22:40:22 code location for a type error, iirc. 22:40:31 What's the slime shortcut for macroexpand-1? 22:40:48 <|3b|> C-c C-m (or C-c RET) 22:40:48 C-c C-m 22:40:50 Only one macro written by me in the problem function 22:42:37 jaaso [~user@178.239.31.138] has joined #lisp 22:42:43 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 22:43:59 antonv: true. I'd like to see what happens. If nothing happens, we can fork and see. 22:45:02 (I'd rather not pick up more packages, just like Xach wants to concentrate on QL, I'd rather concentrate on ABCL) 22:45:18 right 22:46:26 although I do appreciate how forking kmrcl to support abcl does seem to support that goal in the short run. 22:46:43 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:46:57 antonv: hi 22:47:33 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.97.149] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:48:04 Fare: hello! 22:48:12 SurlyFrog [~Adium@c-24-118-228-15.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:48:19 ehu: maybe the first user who will need to run kmrcl on abcl will fix it 22:48:56 Lets hope so (but I'm sceptic) 22:49:15 -!- zophy [ceb02321@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.176.35.33] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:51:36 -!- Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:52:19 tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 22:52:37 pib1902 [~pib1902@your.friendly.media.team.coder.ark-cr.info] has joined #lisp 22:52:38 -!- pib1902 [~pib1902@your.friendly.media.team.coder.ark-cr.info] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 22:52:53 pib1981 [~pib1981@your.friendly.media.team.coder.ark-cr.info] has joined #lisp 22:52:53 -!- pib1981 [~pib1981@your.friendly.media.team.coder.ark-cr.info] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 22:54:49 pib1902 [~pib1902@your.friendly.media.team.coder.ark-cr.info] has joined #lisp 22:55:34 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-237-228.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:55:58 -!- SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:56:59 http://paste.lisp.org/+2X8V <-- that seems to be enough to reproduce the issue 22:57:23 I just did a macroexpand-all on the function that wouldn't compile 22:58:43 <|3b|> probably easier to read without expanding it 22:58:53 -!- mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:01:48 -!- ed_g [~quassel@75-164-192-226.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:02:16 bitonic [~user@ppp-232-137.27-151.libero.it] has joined #lisp 23:03:12 -!- casion [~AdmiralBu@pool-71-99-141-240.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: casion] 23:04:28 certainly easier to replicate and reduce. 23:04:42 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-gvnyzkhcjrbtziwk] has joined #lisp 23:04:42 <|3b|> jasom: fwiw, problem is (char= (char string 0) string #\') 23:04:52 <|3b|> reduced test case: (defun foo (s) (char= (char s 0) s #\')) 23:05:52 <|3b|> jasom: #\` rather, not that it matters for the problem 23:06:03 "18:40 < pkhuong> code location for a type error, iirc." Enough divination for tonight (: 23:06:18 ohnoitsavram [~user@CPE-60-225-105-159.hhui3.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 23:07:46 antonv: I understand that the tests from the grid take at least 10 hours for ABCL? 23:08:02 yes 23:08:09 in that case, I should check tomorrow sometime. 23:08:15 but not wait for it. 23:08:28 if kmr is not maintaining his stuff anymore, forking/rehoming is inevitable -- it's only a matter of where / when / how 23:08:40 and who. 23:08:52 wasn't https://github.com/sharplispers created for that? 23:09:11 ehu: yes. The last test run took 15 hours 23:09:38 Fare: looks like a good project 23:10:01 there's very little that actually needs changing in kmrcl-- just the package prefixes on some symbols. 23:10:09 antonv: can you make a run with the latest asdf? I just made modifications to asdf that are slightly incompatible (prevent something that people shouldn't be doing, but have done in the past, perhaps in imitation of mk-defsystem) -- see conversation with bhyde earlier today. system and its subclasses are acceptable iff a component is at the toplevel. 23:11:21 one thing that abcl hackers could try is identify why the hell I need to punt in asdf/header.lisp by renaming away the old package. Maybe the fix to bug 311 fixes it. Or not. 23:11:43 Fare: ok, I will do, not today, but soon sometime 23:11:55 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 23:12:14 antonv, no hurry. Before next wednesday would be cool. 23:12:23 fare: as far as I know, the fix to 311 was designed exactly to solve that. 23:12:53 ehu: but were there more issues beside this one? I don't know. 23:13:16 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.228.221] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:14:01 we *think* not. 23:14:55 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75c082.pool.mediaWays.net] has left #lisp 23:15:06 Fare: I have an issue, but I don't know where it comes from. 23:15:22 Fare: after we test the latest ASDF we need to compare results with some previous version. What should be this previous version? 23:15:26 Fare: clpython isn't working on ABCL (latest quicklisp) 23:15:47 can you try taking abcl out of the last #+(or ...) in header.lisp and the abcl:1*... line in test/run-tests.sh then run make u l=abcl ? 23:16:14 Fare: the complaint is that ASDF/PLAN:TRAVERSE GF and method differ in their &key and &rest arguments 23:16:15 antonv: both 2.26 and say 2.32 (if you have 2.32 results) 23:16:21 Fare: is that due to recent changes? 23:16:33 (ie has clpython simply not been updated?) 23:16:35 ehu: yes. clpython should be fixed 23:16:40 ok. 23:16:42 thanks. 23:17:37 I contacted the author who said he'd fix, but that was weeks ago 23:18:14 no problem. 23:18:21 just making sure it's not ABCL. 23:21:10 antonv: on my system, I can run green-threads now that I've fixed cl-cont, however, now it exhausts the stack. 23:21:32 possibly, we need to up the stack to make the test suite for it complete succesfully. 23:21:52 (the test run running now will tell, probably.) 23:22:00 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22:16 SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 23:22:30 dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:22:51 -!- jerryzhou [~slackerui@58.245.253.218] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:22:53 fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.32.235] has joined #lisp 23:23:08 ehu:(ql:who-depends-on "green-threads") => ("green-threads-test") 23:23:15 nothing important depends on this system 23:23:38 hmm. true. however, it's still in my list of failures... :-/ 23:24:57 ehu: how it got into your list? 23:25:12 http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-test-grid/abcl/abcl-diff8.html 23:25:38 ehu: it was crashing, now fails 23:25:43 right. 23:25:46 it's not a regression 23:25:47 that's an improvement. 23:25:57 but now I want it to succeed :-) 23:26:04 one of the problems with this system is fixed, remaining are not 23:26:18 -!- tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:26:23 groovy2shoes [~cory@unaffiliated/groovebot] has joined #lisp 23:26:43 -!- crus0e [~crus0e@HSI-KBW-149-172-198-162.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: crus0e] 23:27:02 antonv: actually, the cause of the FAIL result has also been fixde. 23:27:04 fixed. 23:28:07 tsuru``` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-28-139.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 23:28:15 ok 23:28:19 that's what the current run is testing. 23:28:20 so, about the stack 23:28:24 yes. 23:28:52 how to up the stack, you men stack size of java threads? 23:29:30 *mean 23:29:33 -!- tsuru`` [~charlie@adsl-74-240-217-186.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:29:38 if you want to increase stack size, use -Xss 23:29:50 where could be 10m 23:31:12 I pinged metawilm again 23:31:28 thanks. 23:31:55 just remove the methods 23:32:19 tsuru```` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-250-234.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 23:34:03 -!- tsuru``` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-28-139.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:34:39 ehu: do you remember this report: http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-test-grid/abcl/abcl-1-2-0-load-failures.html 23:35:28 it can help to choose from failing libraries those fixing which will give maximum "outcome" 23:35:38 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 23:35:50 kmrcl is on the 3rd place btw... 23:35:58 victor_lowther [~victor.lo@76-205-169-48.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:36:07 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:36:16 przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 23:36:41 https://github.com/franzinc/cl-python/pull/11 23:36:54 tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 23:37:04 -!- segv- [~mb@dslb-088-075-158-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:37:57 -!- otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:38:03 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:38:36 -!- puchacz_ [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:40:28 -!- SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-180-131-134.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:42:39 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:45:24 otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has joined #lisp 23:46:17 -!- antonv [5d7d2a66@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:48:31 -!- pierpa` [~user@95.234.223.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:50:08 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:50:21 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [] 23:50:52 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.148.199.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:51:47 -!- joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Quit: joekarma] 23:53:13 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:53:20 hsc [~hsc@c-24-18-240-154.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:54:56 tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.102.68.87] has joined #lisp