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[~user@friedrichstrasse.knowledgetools.de] has joined #lisp 13:46:08 it's a part of commonqt, i'll name then qClass qType and qMethod 13:46:10 By the way, is the author of cl+ssl on this channel? 13:46:11 cades [~mac@host-61-70-191-50.static.kbtelecom.net] has joined #lisp 13:46:31 loke_erc: _8david? 13:46:56 David Lichtblau 13:47:22 or you need a maintainer? then antonv 13:47:51 -!- hlavaty [~user@friedrichstrasse.knowledgetools.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:48:15 Well, I'd need some more SSL functions exposed 13:48:32 sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 13:48:35 It's good enough for web clients, but when you want to write a server there are some features missing 13:48:44 cl-plus-ssl-devel@ is a better bet 13:49:01 @ what? 13:49:08 cl.net 13:49:13 oh ok 13:49:40 Gooder [~Gooder@125.37.175.218] has joined #lisp 13:49:57 antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-trwuiaptsxnesden] has joined #lisp 13:50:25 p_nathan [~Adium@98.145.119.253] has joined #lisp 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Anyone know a good way to debug this, or an answer? 16:07:20 yroeht [~yroeht@x.yroeht.eu] has joined #lisp 16:08:19 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:09:43 SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-181-109-90.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 16:09:57 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:10:01 -!- antgreen [~green@out-on-227.wireless.telus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:10:21 ask on #emacs 16:10:38 <|3b|> Sean-Der: C-g a few times won't interrupt it? 16:10:49 don't ask on #emacs 16:11:50 FareWell: I asked on emacs first and got nothing. I assumed it was more of a editor only channel, I can try again? 16:12:07 Sean-Der: they won't help you with slime 16:12:30 do M-x toggle-debug-on-quit, reproduce your problem, and try hitting C-g 16:13:18 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:13:21 -!- tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-181-109-90.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:13:26 -!- loke_erc [~user@bb119-74-80-38.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:13:56 -!- jaaso [~user@178.239.31.138] has left #lisp 16:16:43 stassats: I am not getting anything, emacs doesn't draw anything else after I try to M-n into the '--more--' 16:17:16 have you tried pressing C-g? 16:17:35 stassats: Yep, it just hangs :/ 16:18:04 more than once? 16:19:05 brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:19:10 Yep its not doing anything 16:19:20 if you press it and to don't release? 16:20:27 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:20:51 stassats: I am getting nothing. 16:21:08 well, then you're out of luck 16:21:13 i blame freebsd 16:22:40 <|3b|> if you do the toggle-debug-on-quit and C-g without slime involved does it respond then? 16:23:24 farzi [~farzzz@1.38.27.29] has joined #lisp 16:24:12 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 16:24:15 |3b|: it wouldn't "quit" just by pressing C-g 16:24:24 |3b|: So start emacs, run toggle-debug-on-quit and then quit? 16:24:26 it needs something running to quit 16:25:08 <|3b|> stassats: breaks into debugger here, just sitting in *scratch* 16:25:26 <|3b|> Sean-Der: start emacs, M-x toggle-debug-on-quit, then hit C-g 16:25:28 stassats: Do you have any suggestions on what I could look into? I will look into grabbing gdb and figure out what loop emacs is stuck in 16:25:46 Sean-Der: no suggestion 16:26:00 use the usual debugging techniques 16:26:26 Sean-Der: are you doing M-n? can you do C-n instead? 16:27:26 *|3b|* has older emacs though, so behavior could have changed 16:27:30 |3b|: C-g in my *scratch* says 'Quit' in the bar, but not doing anything. But its enabled globally? 16:27:51 stassats: Ok lemme repro again 16:29:40 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:29:48 <|3b|> Sean-Der: stassats knows more about emacs than i do, so just saying 'quit' is probably OK, either way it shows it can see the C-g properly normally 16:30:05 -!- mukadr [~mukadr@187.66.45.56] has left #lisp 16:30:14 Well thats weird, if I 'C-n' into the '--more--' it dissapears? 16:30:35 if there are no more frames, it can do that 16:30:59 On my Debian box I usually have ~20 frames on this function though 16:31:14 sbcl has broken backtraces on freebsd 16:31:24 reportedly 16:31:30 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:32:00 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 16:32:10 stassats: That stinks :( so its a SBCL issue, should I just drop an email on the list and wait? 16:32:28 I really don't think I am smart enough to debug something that big 16:32:50 you're bound to a very long wait 16:32:57 there's not many people using sbcl on freebsd 16:33:31 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:34:04 I really like FreeBSD on the desktop, but I need sbcl for work. Well this stinks, I can just run it in a VM though 16:34:51 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:38:15 you can open a bug 16:38:39 but which doesn't involve slime, i.e. show the bad backtrace from freebsd comparing it to the linux one 16:39:25 although, i don't really see a difference to using FreeBSD on the desktop as opposed to some linux flavor 16:39:49 tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-181-109-90.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 16:40:04 Ok I definatly do that. It might take me a while to get everything together though 16:40:24 stassats: Ports, License and culture overall 16:40:25 pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has joined #lisp 16:40:41 so, it's political 16:40:44 -!- ahoops [~ahoops__@121.96.14.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:41:46 stassats: Yep pretty much 16:42:23 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:43:54 -!- SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-181-109-90.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:43:55 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:46:14 victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has joined #lisp 16:47:47 optikalmouse [~user@gw.trapeze.com] has joined #lisp 16:48:19 whoever was free in boston/cambridge on the weekend...my weekend was too packed to meet any lispers ;/ 16:48:33 but I did buy Art of the meta object protocol from MIT Press :D 16:48:42 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:48:43 KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-98-202-60-177.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:48:56 optikalmouse: come back tomorrow 16:49:19 *Xach* will be around, though also too busy to meet up 16:49:41 I'm back in toronto already, Im off to Washington on wednesday at 6am -_-' 16:51:02 spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has joined #lisp 16:51:25 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 16:52:01 ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has joined #lisp 16:52:29 -!- srcerer_ is now known as srcerer 16:57:34 optikalmouse, what are you doing tonight? 16:57:50 -!- dim [~dim@orion.naquadah.org] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 16:58:05 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:58:06 dim [~dim@orion.naquadah.org] has joined #lisp 17:00:25 FareWell: laundry :D 17:00:31 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:00:59 zophy [goldenligh@gateway/shell/devio.us/x-byvsgpzdqbngbsdx] has joined #lisp 17:02:14 ahoops [~ahoops__@121.96.14.223] has joined #lisp 17:02:27 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:03:13 you? 17:04:56 prxq_ [~mommer@mnhm-5f75d10c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 17:05:19 if you want to meet in Boston, we can 17:05:30 otherwise, I'll go to the citizens school meeting. 17:05:49 I'm no longer in boston, now I wish I had stayed another day :/ 17:06:40 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:07:18 oh well - see you next time 17:07:24 <_schulte_> anyone know how to mark a test as expected to fail w/stefil? 17:07:30 -!- samebchase [~samuel@codesurfers.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:07:35 -!- kyl [~kyle_dev@deathstar.tyrfingr.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:07:41 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c25a8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:08:30 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:09:47 SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-181-109-90.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 17:10:19 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #lisp 17:10:51 snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 17:13:17 -!- tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-181-109-90.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:13:23 samebchase [~samuel@codesurfers.net] has joined #lisp 17:14:01 kyl_ [~kyle_dev@deathstar.tyrfingr.is] has joined #lisp 17:14:06 -!- kyl_ [~kyle_dev@deathstar.tyrfingr.is] has quit [Client Quit] 17:16:40 kyl [~kyle_dev@deathstar.tyrfingr.is] has joined #lisp 17:18:35 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 17:22:54 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-006-172.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:23:32 -!- spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:24:10 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:25:51 -!- protist [~protist@28.173.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:28:43 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 17:29:47 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 17:30:15 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:30:36 benny [~user@maidenhead3.tunnelr.com] has joined #lisp 17:31:43 Denommus [~user@201.75.85.87] has joined #lisp 17:31:46 hi 17:32:16 carlo5m [~carlo5m@209.49.100.67] has joined #lisp 17:33:04 tips for debugging method lookup on sbcl? I am ending up in the "T" specializer when I have a more specific one for what is shown in the backtrace 17:33:26 -!- teggi [~teggi@113.172.59.16] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33:36 nevermind, restarting the lisp image fixed it 17:33:43 carlo5m_ [~carlo5m@209.49.100.67] has joined #lisp 17:33:50 -!- jasom_ is now known as jasom 17:33:52 -!- arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-geguegqzfaarhtcm] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:34:14 -!- leo2007 [~leo@111.161.47.175] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:34:30 ok, gzip-stream is a poorly documented system. I should add some documentation later 17:35:24 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.210] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:36:31 qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.210] has joined #lisp 17:36:33 does gzip-sequence expect a byte array or a 32-bit integer array? 17:36:40 -!- carlo5m [~carlo5m@209.49.100.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:38:16 i would expect a byte array 17:38:42 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 17:38:53 32-bit integer array seems arbitrary 17:39:14 right, I would, too. And return a byte array again, right? 17:39:21 what else? 17:39:41 gzip-sequence also accepts strings 17:39:48 yeah, it seems to be correct on this matter 17:39:49 tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-181-109-90.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 17:40:10 oh, I have a base64, which I'm converting to a usb8-integer-array, and them uncompressing 17:40:17 s/them/then/ 17:40:20 -!- zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:40:57 now I need to transform this array to a 32bit integer array (because that's how the file type works). I'm just kind of lost on this matter 17:41:10 is there a declarative way of doing this? 17:42:01 Denommus: I don't know of one. If I had octets and I wanted 32-bit integers, I'd take four at a time and assemble them with ash, logior, +, or something. 17:42:12 -!- benny [~user@maidenhead3.tunnelr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 17:42:23 would somebody think of LDB! 17:43:20 -!- SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-181-109-90.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:43:39 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-vurtqsnxhpofsqpz] has joined #lisp 17:43:39 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-vurtqsnxhpofsqpz] has quit [Changing host] 17:43:39 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 17:43:58 -!- Sean-Der [~sean@64.241.87.62] has left #lisp 17:44:54 and gzip-sequence on strings is actually broken 17:44:59 whatever it was supposed to do 17:45:36 antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-pzdzkexpyfgyohvs] has joined #lisp 17:45:47 Denommus: same as every other language, use an endianness-aware conversion function. 17:47:02 and i would've used chipz instead 17:47:44 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:47:45 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:48:09 kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 17:51:24 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:55:58 -!- leb [~leb@c-24-7-83-224.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leb] 17:57:06 Hey folks, this may be more appropriate for the ECL mailing list but I thought I'd ask this question here. The APPLY function in ECL has a special case where if APPLY gets two arguments and the last argument is a stack frame containing a vector of objects then APPLY calls ecl_apply_from_stack_frame which applys the function to the arguments. 17:57:24 Denommus: use nibbles 17:57:24 spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has joined #lisp 17:57:57 The reason I ask is because it means turning (APPLY func frame) which would normally generate an error (because frame is not a list) and turns it into executable code. 17:58:37 Bike [~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:59:10 and where's the question? 17:59:43 I don't think I understand ldb 17:59:48 Czechton [~Czechton@cpc8-lewi14-2-0-cust162.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 18:01:00 I guess it's is this a good idea or a bad idea. Should I propagate it or try and come up with another way that doesn't involve changing the behavior of APPLY even if it is to make something that APPLY would normally throw an error on into runnable code. 18:02:04 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:02:13 If it doesn't trigger all sorts of alarm bells in peoples heads then it's probably ok to copy this behavior. 18:02:30 people don't usually get a hold of stack frames 18:02:31 -!- spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:02:53 oh. I got it 18:03:00 leo2007 [~leo@111.161.47.175] has joined #lisp 18:03:09 stassats: That's true, and this is only coming up now that I'm implementing generic function dispatch. 18:03:48 The way ECL does things it looks like the CL source code does get hold of stack frames. 18:04:12 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:04:16 ASau [~user@46.115.44.249] has joined #lisp 18:04:24 stassats: I'm guessing it's something like &more for efficient &rest/apply. 18:04:43 pkhuong: What is &more? 18:04:47 -!- ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:04:52 oh. I got it 18:05:01 pkhuong: I appreciate the efficiency problems with &rest. 18:05:30 drmeister: an internal representation of &rest arguments on the stack, a lot like C-style varargs. 18:06:07 -!- carlo5m_ [~carlo5m@209.49.100.67] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:06:33 carlo5m [~carlo5m@209.49.100.67] has joined #lisp 18:07:19 pkhuong: I googled it - I can see where &more would be useful. 18:07:53 MoALTz_ [~no@host86-142-161-119.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 18:08:28 -!- ck_ [~ck@dslb-146-060-028-174.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:08:28 -!- MoALTz is now known as Guest87158 18:08:28 -!- Guest87158 [~no@host86-142-161-119.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Killed (lindbohm.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 18:08:28 -!- MoALTz_ is now known as MoALTz 18:08:46 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:08:56 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:09:49 SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-181-109-90.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 18:11:51 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:12:13 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:12:56 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:13:30 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:13:51 -!- tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-181-109-90.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:15:28 There's a blog called "Common Lisp Compilers Internals"? And a book called "SBCL Compiler Internals"? 18:15:44 there's no such book 18:16:30 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:17:16 and i didn't find the blog particularly enlightening, browsing the code and running things does a better job for understanding 18:17:32 Is Roman Marynchak writing a book? 18:17:54 i don't think he is 18:19:30 pierpa [~user@host2-220-dynamic.47-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:19:49 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20:03 Too bad. 18:20:09 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #lisp 18:21:05 sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 18:21:33 strange 18:21:42 -!- Czechton [~Czechton@cpc8-lewi14-2-0-cust162.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:22:02 Czechton [~Czechton@cpc8-lewi14-2-0-cust162.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 18:25:20 -!- Czechton [~Czechton@cpc8-lewi14-2-0-cust162.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Client Quit] 18:25:38 Czechton [~Czechton@cpc8-lewi14-2-0-cust162.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 18:26:29 -!- Czechton [~Czechton@cpc8-lewi14-2-0-cust162.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Client Quit] 18:26:32 ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has joined #lisp 18:26:48 Czechton [~Czechton@cpc8-lewi14-2-0-cust162.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 18:29:18 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:29:29 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:30:09 ok, I won't use gzip-stream, it's too poorly documented, and produces too strange behaviors 18:30:46 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31:01 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:31:16 -!- xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-61-55.w92-146.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31:26 -!- Czechton [~Czechton@cpc8-lewi14-2-0-cust162.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Client Quit] 18:31:42 Czechton [~Czechton@cpc8-lewi14-2-0-cust162.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 18:32:14 arkx [~aku@eagleflow.fi] has joined #lisp 18:33:35 brown` [user@nat/google/x-xbqlcnlvfaksaxks] has joined #lisp 18:35:10 -!- FareWell [fare@nat/google/x-hsxuernqsvjkbiwp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:37:59 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:39:50 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-152-30.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:39:51 tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-181-109-90.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 18:42:04 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:43:32 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:43:39 optikalmouse: did you buy AMOP at the MIT coop? The last lisp book that I bought was PAIP at that shop :) 18:44:00 -!- SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-181-109-90.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:44:11 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:44:36 -!- Czechton [~Czechton@cpc8-lewi14-2-0-cust162.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:44:46 `fogus [~fogus@freedom.d-a-s.com] has joined #lisp 18:45:08 Czechton [~Czechton@cpc8-lewi14-2-0-cust162.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 18:45:49 -!- Joreji [~thomas@77-21-104-59-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:45:56 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 18:48:05 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [] 18:49:14 -!- farzi [~farzzz@1.38.27.29] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:49:28 -!- Czechton [~Czechton@cpc8-lewi14-2-0-cust162.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Client Quit] 18:49:53 Czechton [~Czechton@cpc8-lewi14-2-0-cust162.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 18:50:10 -!- Czechton [~Czechton@cpc8-lewi14-2-0-cust162.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Client Quit] 18:50:11 drewc_: smug doesn't build for me on sbcl. does it build for you? 18:50:42 Czechton [~Czechton@cpc8-lewi14-2-0-cust162.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 18:50:50 FareWell [fare@nat/google/x-gbgnmakmjqxqjkcm] has joined #lisp 18:50:50 http://report.quicklisp.org/smug/2013-03-25/failtail.txt has some details 18:51:47 -!- pjb` is now known as pjb 18:53:01 AeroNotix [~xeno@abon218.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 18:53:31 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abon218.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 18:53:48 AeroNotix [~xeno@abon218.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 18:55:46 Xach: are you building from the master on github? 18:56:01 because I am sure that it does not work, and maybe never will ... 18:57:16 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:57:27 _veer [~veer@pool-108-33-26-144.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:57:27 -!- _veer [~veer@pool-108-33-26-144.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:57:27 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 18:57:33 or: can we either add the last version back ... say the version from 6 to 18 months ago, or wait until I make the master work again, which for you and QL can be today if needed? 18:58:22 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 18:59:21 -!- carlo5m [~carlo5m@209.49.100.67] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:59:28 or: I can simply remove the smug.asd, which means that it will not load the old code that I do not use, and then it will 'build' in that building nothing is nothing :) 18:59:52 I am using master on github. I can use something else. 19:02:44 well, heh ... it has never been released, as we can see from https://github.com/drewc/smug/blob/master/smug.org and "Download and Install", so ... do you want me to make a 'this is old and not used but works' branch that backs things up to like 30 months ago? I guess that it should be in quicklisp for I have gotten at least one email a year saying 19:02:50 "yay!" ... 19:03:34 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7550b4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 19:03:43 I can remove it. 19:03:48 but at the same time, I am working on a modern version now, hence the master branch updates ... so I simply need a branch that backs things up 19:03:52 printf depends on it... 19:03:56 is printf dead too? 19:04:03 printf? 19:04:20 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 19:04:29 https://github.com/dlowe-net/printf 19:04:49 *Xach* pokes dlowe 19:05:07 damn ... can't even put something on github without it being used! :) 19:05:35 I don't know if I grabbed printf out of the blue or if someone asked. 19:05:37 Possibly the former. 19:05:38 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:05:53 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:05:59 ok ... well ... do you have a tarball of what used to be in QL or does it not work that way at all? 19:06:15 drewc_: i have it 19:06:17 -!- sfa_ [~sfa@208.66.156.12] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:06:28 sfa [~sfa@208.66.156.12] has joined #lisp 19:07:11 ok, can you email me that, and I will put in on github webshite thing, and link to it in in the .org, and that 'works'? 19:08:07 -!- linse [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1177917089.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 19:09:11 Joreji [~thomas@77-21-104-59-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 19:09:15 ivan4th [~user@smtp.igrade.ru] has joined #lisp 19:09:32 "http://beta.quicklisp.org/archive/smug/2013-03-12/smug-20130312-git.tgz" 19:09:37 Quadresce_ [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 19:09:53 SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-181-109-90.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 19:10:31 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-152-30.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:10:49 ahh of course ...I knew that ... just 1/2 way through my first cup-o-joe and not thinking clearly yet :) thanks 19:10:53 drewc_: bought it at MIT press, coop didnt seem to have many unique books ;p 19:11:09 Gruu_ [~Gruu@213.211.132.86.static.edpnet.net] has joined #lisp 19:11:16 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:11:18 drewc_: I almost bought the whole The ___ Schemer collection and some other stuff, too heavy to carry :/ 19:12:08 ah ... I actually bought something from that store as well ... because it is hard to walk by it and not have a peek ... 19:12:51 It just was not lisp related and, well, before I bought my first sailboat ... So I do not remember what it was or who was with me at the time... 19:13:41 -!- tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-181-109-90.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:13:53 Though who was with me is likely in the channel or will be soon, so if we are lucky they will remember :) 19:14:02 I want to eval a form in a specific package; should (let ((*current-package* some-package)) (eval form)) do the trick? 19:14:59 (let ((*package* ...)) ...) you mean? yeah 19:15:02 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 19:15:17 Bike: yeah 19:15:21 jasom: um ... no? and what Bike said :) 19:15:35 jasom: that only matters if FORM includes calls to INTERN, READ, or other functions that use *PACKAGE* as a default value for an argument. 19:15:59 It has no effect on e.g. the symbols of FORM. 19:16:02 gah, yeah I'm going to read it too 19:16:07 I want to eval a form in a specific package; should (let ((*current-package* some-package)) (eval form)) do the trick? 19:16:13 *Xach* has deja vu 19:16:14 akovalenko [~user@95.73.218.109] has joined #lisp 19:16:24 *jasom* hit up-arrow right before enter 19:16:38 (eval (read-from-string string)) 19:16:43 *drewc_* 's up arrow goes up! 19:16:51 -!- drewc_ is now known as drewc 19:17:11 I'll have to reset the readtable then too, won't I 19:18:48 so (with-standard-io-syntax (let ((*package* some-package)) (eval (read-from-string string)))) 19:19:10 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-240-66.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:19:15 drmeister: you have to be careful with extensions to CL. In CL, if the last argument to apply is anything but a list, it is expected that it would signal a type-error. 19:19:32 jasom: if that is what you want/need, then yes, making sure you have the correct reader is important to READing 19:19:34 jasom: as long as some-package is a package object, and not a package designator. 19:19:43 -!- Gruu_ [~Gruu@213.211.132.86.static.edpnet.net] has quit [Quit: Gruu_] 19:19:51 You can't use e.g. :cl but must use the value of (find-package :cl) 19:20:27 drmeister: if you can guarantee that the user program cannot get hold of such an internal object as a frame, you could extend CL:APPLY. But I would advise rather to use a SYSTEM:APPLY and to write CL:APPLY in terms of this SYSTEM:APPLY while rejecting non list final arguments. 19:20:33 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:20:49 drmeister: notice that when user programs can be written in C (ECL) or in C++ (your implementation), there is very little guarantees you can make 19:21:20 Xach: I wasn't actually intending printf to be used 19:21:24 -!- Denommus [~user@201.75.85.87] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.3.1] 19:21:33 There's a much better implementation floating around 19:21:47 -!- n0vember [~n0vember@liberacescursedpiano.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:21:55 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:22:12 Now that I think about it, the readtable is part of the dynamic environment, so I can let the user modify that willy-nilly without affecting my code... so it's probably not necessary 19:22:50 ok 19:24:13 n0vember [~n0vember@liberacescursedpiano.org] has joined #lisp 19:25:19 https://github.com/vsedach/Vacietis/blob/master/libc/stdio.lisp 19:27:23 jasom: notice that you can only bind a package to cl:*package*, not a package designator that is not a package. 19:28:34 yup, though I realized I was stupid; all the dynamic environment I want the user to be able to modify, so I should just reset everything to sane defaults at startup and I don't need to do anything other than (eval (read-from-string)) 19:28:58 jasom: I would avoid binding the CL package to *package* to read something, as that would intern into the CL package. Better intern in your own user packages or in CL-USER. 19:30:03 pjb: actually I was going to use PLUSH-USER (where PLUSH is the name of the application) since lisp implementations intern stuff into cl-user that I might not know about 19:30:15 Good choice. 19:30:50 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 19:31:39 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:35:20 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 19:39:54 tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-181-109-90.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 19:40:36 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:42:09 -!- optikalmouse [~user@gw.trapeze.com] has left #lisp 19:43:23 dtm` [~dtm@adsl-69-110-4-246.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 19:43:23 -!- SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-181-109-90.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:46:37 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:48:12 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[~ianmcorvi@musicbrainz/user/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 21:06:23 Hi, is there any quicklisp library with a recursive copy-directory-tree, like a cp -r ? 21:07:28 ohnoitsavram [~user@CPE-60-225-105-159.hhui3.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 21:09:38 dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:09:56 SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-181-109-90.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 21:10:16 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@musicbrainz/user/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:10:29 dt770 [dt770@c-411ee755.05-23-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 21:13:23 -!- tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-181-109-90.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:13:31 gendl: you mean, that works on windows? 21:13:42 because run-program can call cp - 21:13:44 -!- dt770 [dt770@c-411ee755.05-23-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Client Quit] 21:14:00 dt770 [dt770@c-411ee755.05-23-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 21:14:29 FareWell: yes i was hoping for coverage on windows 21:14:38 are you Fare? 21:15:12 yes, well... 21:15:16 but it's not very pressing on Windows. 21:15:32 gendl: iolib has one for *nix 21:15:33 on windows, you might copy /s 21:15:42 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:15:44 I can easily revert to cp -r on the platforms i actually care about 21:16:09 FareWell: you actually want xcopy or robocopy depending on the version of windows 21:16:10 getting all the corner cases right is hard 21:16:22 jasom: really ? 21:16:37 copy /s has some weird corner cases 21:16:59 or rather copy /s doesn't exist in XP 21:17:08 wow i remember xcopy from DOS from like 1988. 21:17:39 xcopy /e works with pre-vista, vista I think still has xcopy, but it's deprecated in favor of robocopy 21:18:02 /s only copies non-empty directories 21:18:19 so it sounds like there could be room for a QL library just for recursive filesystem tree copy 21:18:28 -!- xificurC 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what you usually want if you don't want -r (it's an alias for a specific combination of other more portable flats) 21:20:32 -!- AeroNoti1 [~xeno@aboe193.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 21:20:52 AeroNotix [~xeno@aboe193.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 21:20:58 tekai [~tekai@d212014.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #lisp 21:20:59 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-179-232.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:21:05 cp -lax --parents is my favorite 21:21:19 cp -fax isn't too bad, either. 21:21:42 and -a is -dR --preserve=all 21:22:07 FareWell: are you Faré, and if so, are we to take some ominous meaning from your new name? 21:22:18 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@213.211.139.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:22:28 -!- FareWell is now known as Fare 21:22:35 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 21:22:46 dunno who you're talking about. 21:23:14 -fax is easier to remember 21:23:19 theBlackDragon 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Could it be any better? https://gist.github.com/Denommus/5240902 21:25:15 depending on what cp is first in your path 21:25:58 Denommus: it will break if the array isn't evenly divisible by 4 21:26:12 -!- ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:26:14 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:26:26 sdemarre [~serge@91.180.79.135] has joined #lisp 21:26:33 jasom: but then it won't be exactly convertible, either 21:26:41 -!- __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:26:54 what do people normally use for parsing command line arguments? 21:26:54 Denommus: well you might want to do *something* to handle that case, or you can drop the truncate 21:27:24 guaqua: http://common-lisp.net/project/qitab/ <-- command-line-arguments from there, or CLON 21:27:46 -!- przl [~przlrkt@ip-2-202-115-174.web.vodafone.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:28:10 ooh. clon is what i should've been spending my time with 21:28:16 thanks a bunch, jasom! 21:28:21 __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:28:45 jasom: I didn't remember putting that truncate, to be honest. I'll take it out. 21:29:17 Denommus: you can use ash instead of (* 8); on a good compiler it will generate the same code, but one is what you actually mean 21:29:18 what I hoped was a more functional style code, actually. This one is too imperative for something that, in my mind, shouldn't be 21:29:56 Denommus: you could loop going up by 4 and do a (logior ) of 4 (ash) 21:30:19 sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 21:30:46 (logior (ash (aref array i) 24) (ash (aref array (1+ i)) 16) ... 21:30:57 FreeBDSM doesn't like -lax --parents ? 21:31:08 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:31:24 *jasom* would also personally use 2 counters rather than one 21:32:06 also you're not making a fixnum array, you're makking an (unsigned-byte 32) array 21:32:33 fixnum isn't 32-bits on any lisp that uses tagged values 21:32:45 (and a 32-bit word size) 21:34:22 right 21:34:22 but I think using ldb makes the code a bit DRYer 21:35:25 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:35:27 how is that relevant? 21:37:07 I just saw how to make the code more declarative 21:38:11 It's still not an array of fixnums. 21:38:37 pkhuong: I didn't disagree with that 21:39:34 Quadresce_ [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 21:39:54 tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-181-109-90.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 21:39:59 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:40:12 -!- Quadresce_ is now known as Quadrescence 21:40:16 -!- Guest95593 is now known as xristos 21:41:12 michaelusa [~yaaic@66-87-68-177.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 21:41:15 Hydan [~hydan@ip-89-103-110-116.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 21:43:01 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:43:02 -!- michaelusa [~yaaic@66-87-68-177.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:43:13 -!- SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-181-109-90.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:45:08 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 21:45:40 ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has joined #lisp 21:45:59 bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:46:03 -!- tvaalen [~r@unaffiliated/tvaal] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:47:55 -!- techlife [techlife@218.59.113.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:48:23 tvaalen [~r@unaffiliated/tvaal] has joined #lisp 21:49:16 techlife [techlife@218.59.113.120] has joined #lisp 21:49:43 gendl: the problem with such a request (recursively copying a directory tree), is that perhaps you're considering directory trees that have not been created by your CL implementation! (consider how restrictive this criteria is!). 21:50:06 this: https://gist.github.com/Denommus/5240902 21:50:11 gendl: DIRECTORY may not give you all the files, and since it returns truename, may not even give you all the items in that directory tree! 21:50:27 -!- erikc [~erikc@209.20.28.194] has quit [Quit: erikc] 21:50:30 I mean it may give you items that are outside of that directory tree (thru symlinks). 21:50:35 -!- dt770 [dt770@c-411ee755.05-23-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Hihi] 21:50:50 dt770 [dt770@c-411ee755.05-23-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 21:50:51 Otherwise, it's rather trivial to implement a recursive directory copy in CL. 21:51:09 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:51:33 You can use com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.file:copy-file. But as a pure CL function, it doesn't copy attributes such as dates, owner, access rights, etc. 21:52:17 hiato [~nine@41-133-205-146.dsl.mweb.co.za] has joined #lisp 21:52:18 It also doesn't handle paths with anything other than the characters allowed in the spec 21:52:30 gendl: check #+ccl ccl::recursive-copy-directory 21:52:37 jasom: obviously. 21:52:59 Well, or allowed by the implementation, they may allow physical pathnames with strange characters. 21:53:24 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 21:53:45 So either you fork a cp process, or you use CFFI or iolib or something to use the underlying system POSIX API to do the scanning and copying. 21:54:14 yep, there's probably good reason that ccl::recursive-copy-directory isn't exported. 21:54:33 the only exported native implementation I've seen is excl:copy-directory. 21:54:38 Given the slowness of such an I/O heavy operation, forking a cp -r or copy /e or xcopy is probably the best to do. 21:54:44 and my guess is they go through system calls 21:55:08 gendl: well, ccl has a tendency of not exporting useful stuff from ccl, and on the other hand of exporting stuff with % in their names 21:55:22 ;) 21:58:52 looks like logand and real numbers don't like each other... 21:58:59 jasom: now the code is purely declarative, I think it's prettier this way (even not being as DRY as it was before). What do you think? 22:00:30 Denommus: you end up with a list rather than an array now 22:00:39 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:00:43 you could fix that with an :initial-contents make-array if you like 22:01:20 jasom: I'll access it sequentially, so it doesn't make much of a difference, but since the name of the function is misleading, I'll do that 22:01:39 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.147.174.159] has joined #lisp 22:02:31 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:02:42 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 22:04:11 also I prefer "below x" to "to (1- x)" but that's a matter of preference 22:05:10 :up-to-the-greatest-lower-bound-of 22:05:18 when is lisp going to construct real numbers for us 22:06:03 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 22:06:35 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:07:07 corrections made 22:08:18 -!- pierpa [~user@host2-220-dynamic.47-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:08:33 pierpa [~user@host2-220-dynamic.47-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 22:09:03 -!- fds_ is now known as fds 22:09:54 SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-181-109-90.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 22:11:58 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:13:20 -!- tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-181-109-90.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:14:24 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 22:15:14 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:15:55 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.228.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:18:21 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.180.79.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:19:13 hey people 22:19:19 feedback appreciated :) http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/11018/6594 22:19:34 spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 22:20:09 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:20:41 Ralt: of course logand only works on integers 22:21:20 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:22:22 fe[nl]ix: I'm not sure how I should handle this codegolf then. 22:22:40 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7550b4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:22:40 <|3b|> dotimes (i 32) and (- 31 i) is probably shorter than loop for i from 32 downto 0 22:23:30 oh, it surely is 22:23:34 I never think about dotimes... 22:23:40 <|3b|> and terpri instead of format t "~%" 22:24:13 Ralt: I'd guess that javascript truncates floats before performing bitise operations. 22:24:17 __zero [~zero@121.Red-88-5-86.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 22:24:36 <|3b|> and (format t (if ... "" " ")) instead of repeating the format t 22:24:42 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Quit: brb codefix] 22:25:03 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 22:25:09 <|3b|> and you can drop spaces before ( 22:25:18 (princ (if ...)) 22:25:33 <|3b|> and before " 22:25:41 pkhuong: won't that do a fresh line? 22:25:57 <|3b|> yeah, suspected there was a print variation that would work better, but was too lazy to look one up :) 22:26:15 (= 0 ) is fewer characters than (eq 0) 22:27:49 logtest is even shorter. 22:27:57 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 22:28:16 logtest? 22:28:28 <|3b|> also #1= #1# for the repeated DOTIMES symbol 22:29:06 -!- mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Parting is such sweet sorrow...] 22:29:12 jasom: I saw your comment. Your code is interesting, but you could have used collect instead of setf, couldn't you? 22:29:39 Denommus: yes 22:30:08 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 22:31:09 '[triangle] also shaves a character compared to #\ or "". 22:31:29 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-006-172.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:31:39 You could go for '[non-breaking space] as well if you feel like being evil. 22:32:41 Judicious use of #.` ## and ,@ might shave some more characters. 22:32:44 -!- dt770 [dt770@c-411ee755.05-23-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Hihi] 22:32:50 hm 22:33:10 I don't get how to use dotimes there 22:33:56 I have to read up on #1= #1# again... 22:35:05 przl [~przlrkt@ip-2-202-115-174.web.vodafone.de] has joined #lisp 22:35:09 -!- bjorkintosh [~bjork@ip68-13-229-200.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:35:19 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:35:56 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:36:12 Quadrescence: when you'll integrate realib into a few CL implementations. 22:36:18 and write a CDR. 22:36:31 :) 22:36:58 I do sort of long for high precision floats in lisp, which of course CLISP has, but the specification and implementation would be tricky 22:37:12 -!- przl [~przlrkt@ip-2-202-115-174.web.vodafone.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:37:25 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 22:37:33 stumbles [~stumbles@2001:44b8:41c5:9600:219:d1ff:fe10:f770] has joined #lisp 22:37:40 Ralt: the reason you don't get the same output is that for(x = 32;x--;;) first iterates at x = 31. 22:37:43 and (= 0 x) is more correct than (= 0 x) which may return NIL even for x bound to 0. 22:37:46 Quadrescence: mpfr. 22:38:09 yes 22:38:14 clhs zerop 22:38:15 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_zerop.htm 22:38:22 -!- xorp [~xorp@ec2-50-16-219-79.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 22:38:37 pkhuong: perfect. Thanks. 22:38:37 jasom: I think the latest one is exactly what I want 22:39:05 Denommus: why do you care so much, out of curiousity? 22:39:11 xorp [~xorp@ec2-50-16-219-79.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 22:39:25 *drewc* has not scrolled back at all and just saw (= 0 ...), so no idea what is going on :) 22:39:59 tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-181-109-90.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 22:40:31 (= 0 x) is shorter than (zerop x) 22:41:03 (function zerop) = (curry (function =) 0) and is shorter. 22:41:39 pjb: not for code colf, right? 22:42:56 jasom: it's something that I'll use so much in the next years that it must be good. I'll use it to show a tilemap on the screen, and... well, lots of games use tilemaps 22:43:16 -!- SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-181-109-90.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:43:31 Denommus: for games? You probably want something faster then, right? Or is this only when loading data from a file (then it matters less) 22:43:40 thanks guys 22:43:50 going to bed right now, will probably come back later for more fun :) 22:44:09 if you guys got a link about #1= #1#, I'd be happy. 22:44:17 coz it's hard to google. 22:44:19 only when loading data from a file. So it's more important to be stable and concurrent than being fast 22:44:25 clhs #= 22:44:25 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_dho.htm 22:45:09 thanks. 22:45:13 #.`(,@#1='(loop for)i,@#2='(from 31 downto 0 do)(,@#1#j,@#2#(princ(if(logtest(- j(ash i -1))i)' ')))(terpri)) is the best I can do 22:45:24 that space is an unicode space. 22:45:40 lol 22:46:02 pkhuong, @_@ 22:46:02 oh, #1= has to be used with #. 22:46:12 (loop for i from 31 downto 0 do(loop for j from 31 downto 0 do(princ(if(logtest(- j(ash i -1))i)' ')))(terpri)) is only two characters longer and somewhat saner. 22:46:27 (dotimes(i 32)(dotimes(j 33)(princ(if(= 0(logand(floor(- i(/(- 32 j)2)))(- 32 j))):" ")))(terpri)) <-- shorter and no #n= tricks 22:47:34 <|3b|> #1= on the dotimes saves a character 22:47:44 so does the unicode-space 22:48:09 mind showing me the #1= on the dotimes version? 22:48:11 jasom: but the output is wrong! 22:48:28 pkhuong: depends on your definition of wrong 22:48:49 er s/floor/round 22:49:05 for different output anyway 22:49:19 <|3b|> (#1=dotimes(i 32)(#1#(j 32)...)) 22:50:37 (#1=dotimes(i 32)(#1#(j 32)(princ(if(logtest(- i(ash #2=(- 31 j)-1))#2#)' ')))(terpri)) 22:51:19 how does #1= knows where to stop? 22:51:31 Ralt: end of an object 22:51:43 a parentheses is a terminating macro character 22:51:48 k 22:51:53 -!- Hydan [~hydan@ip-89-103-110-116.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:52:04 heh, this is handy for codegolfs. 22:52:24 stassats is very evil at golfing. 22:52:53 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:53:58 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:54:11 <|3b|> you can also save some chars by swapping it horizontally, so the loops go from 0..32 22:54:55 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 22:55:05 saves 5 chars 22:55:12 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.101] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:55:17 (#1=dotimes(i 32)(#1#(j 32)(princ(if(logtest(- (- i 31)(ash j -1))j)' ')))(terpri)) 22:55:30 er 6, I have an extra space in there 22:55:35 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:55:42 (#1=dotimes(i 32)(#1#(j 32)(princ(if(logtest(- j(ash i -1))i)' ')))(terpri)) if you flip some more. 22:56:10 -!- victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has quit [Quit: Leaving IRC - dircproxy 1.2.0] 22:56:36 under 80 chars now 22:56:38 (- (- i 31) ...) => (- i 31 ...) 22:57:25 I didn't realize you can pack quoted symbols without whitespace. 22:57:58 BTW, what's the character you're quoting first? It prints as a *coloured* underscore in my SLIME which rather baffles me. 22:58:06 I like that J has it in 9 characters 22:58:09 -!- natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 22:58:14 antoszka: nonbreaking space for me. 22:58:16 antoszka: it's a unicode space 22:58:31 ah, ok 22:59:03 CL-USER> #\  22:59:04 #\NO-BREAK_SPACE 22:59:06 yeah. 22:59:42 the space didn't make it through stack-exchange 23:00:04 I learn a lot every time I come here. 23:00:40 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #lisp 23:00:48 jasom: suppose you'd have to '| | for the stack exchange version? 23:01:00 antoszka: shorter to " " then. 23:01:03 antoszka: that defeats the purpose 23:01:06 use a '- or '_ 23:01:29 pkhuong: yeah, shorter and just as good 23:01:42 or is there a unicode character that is blank, but not considered whitespace? 23:01:46 where's the unicode space? 23:01:51 -!- Czechton [~Czechton@cpc8-lewi14-2-0-cust162.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:02:01 Ralt: right before the quote and triangle 23:02:09 oh, that one 23:02:33 then it made it on stackexchange 23:03:19 I cut and paste it and it didn't work; I replaced the space with a - and it worked 23:03:26 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.1.50.16] has joined #lisp 23:03:48 -!- prxq_ [~mommer@mnhm-5f75d10c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:22  (#\BLACK_DOWN-POINTING_TRIANGLE) would be more appropriate 23:04:57 ah, but the width is all wrong. 23:05:16 Vicfred [~Vicfred@187.206.21.66] has joined #lisp 23:05:34 -!- Vicfred [~Vicfred@187.206.21.66] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:06:06 Vicfred [~Futaba@187.206.21.66] has joined #lisp 23:06:09 pkhuong: looks fine to me 23:06:24 it probably depends on whether your fixed-width font has that character 23:06:31 leb [~leb@c-24-7-83-224.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:06:37 Right. 23:07:59 and whether your particular renderer does it right (terminal emulator/emacs/whatever) 23:09:30 two- [~1@c-67-171-131-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:09:59 SKC [~shimoco@bzq-79-181-109-90.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 23:13:07 Is there a better way to get the nth return value than (nth (values-list (foo))) 23:13:14 jasom: nth-value. 23:13:25 whihc is not in the see-also for values :( 23:13:41 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:13:43 -!- tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-79-181-109-90.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:14:19 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:14:38 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.97.149] has joined #lisp 23:15:24 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 23:17:05 jasom: there is an uparrow on that page (as on many) : http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw51/CLHS/Body/c_data_a.htm 23:17:49 cades 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