00:00:02 yes it does. 00:00:30 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:00:39 zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #lisp 00:03:20 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 00:06:05 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:06:33 Blkt [~user@82.84.159.26] has joined #lisp 00:08:42 tsetumel_ [~shimoco@109.66.59.155] has joined #lisp 00:09:32 good (late) evening everyone 00:12:12 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c1c27.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:13:07 -!- SKC [~shimoco@109.66.59.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:13:10 MoALTz_ [~no@host86-142-162-21.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 00:13:38 Kenjin: https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/1156095 00:14:07 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.234.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:14:18 Denommus [~user@179-236-79-60.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #lisp 00:14:23 hello 00:15:57 Bike: :) 00:17:04 nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 00:17:27 -!- MoALTz [~no@host86-142-162-21.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:20:26 s00pcan_1 [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 00:24:54 I'm thinking about creating an article about Common Lisp for Rubyists. What do you guys think of this? 00:27:44 Denommus: dangerous territory 00:27:51 Denommus: Ruby borrows much from CL 00:28:07 how do I switch the "active" slime connection? 00:28:11 if i have 2 00:28:25 so C-c C-k will use the other one 00:28:29 i know first is 00:28:32 C-c C-x c 00:28:32 gendl: slime-cycle-connections 00:28:39 o that's quicker 00:28:42 thanks 00:28:47 sw2wolf: I know 00:29:18 gendl: oh it's on C-c C-x n too, i just didn't remember 00:29:33 Ruby's OO is a poor-man's CLOS 00:29:38 M-C-x only occurs in defun, which keys is for defmacro in slime ? 00:30:24 CLOS is much flexible 00:31:09 MoALTz__ [~no@host86-142-162-21.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 00:32:05 -!- lduros` [~user@pool-108-52-158-66.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32:35 CrazyEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 00:33:53 -!- Denommus [~user@179-236-79-60.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:34:36 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@host86-142-162-21.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:34:53 seems stupid to me since you ask 00:35:17 In fact, my box is becoming a Lisp Machine step by step: stumpwm,emacs+slime. Except the browser(Opera) has no lisp version :) 00:36:58 keppy [~keppy@c-24-18-69-99.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:37:40 is stumpwm just for Linux? 00:38:02 well you need X 00:38:19 so it could run on a Mac? (i've seen an X thingie on here) 00:38:36 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:38:44 SKC [~shimoco@bzq-109-66-59-155.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 00:39:04 gendl: no, i use stumpwm both on Linux and xBSD 00:39:04 i have Ubuntu virtual machine here too but it's pretty much just an Allegro CL workhorse 00:39:11 main desktop is Mac 00:39:14 at the moment 00:39:38 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: ragequit] 00:39:44 i want to figure out how to run just one Emacs on the mac and connect thru slime to all the lisps on all the VMs... 00:40:26 but i guess stumpwm on a mac would be sort of pointless? 00:40:36 those VMs are on Mac too ? 00:40:41 yep 00:41:05 gendl: connecting slime across the net is pretty easy really 00:41:21 basically just start swank on the lisps and then M-x slime-connect 00:41:28 i'll look into it 00:41:28 i'm already connecting my Lisps across the net 00:41:38 for doing builds 00:41:41 But not with slime? 00:41:54 so in theory I don't need a manual connection to type anything manually 00:42:01 but that's in theory 00:42:08 when everything goes as expected. 00:42:17 not yet with slime, now 00:42:19 no* 00:42:42 -!- tsetumel_ [~shimoco@109.66.59.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:42:57 slime seems need SSL tunnel to connect to other box ? 00:45:02 -!- v_ [~v@61.173.91.144] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:45:57 walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:47:59 gendl: you need a WM in X11 on Mac too. 00:48:19 I use ratpoison, but stumpwm would be fine too. 00:48:47 why don't you use stumpwm? 00:49:29 I started with ratpoison and I'm happy with it. I guess as soon as I want to change ratpoison, I'll switch to stumpwm. 00:49:30 what does this function do ? http://paste.lisp.org/display/136065 00:49:57 It's a reader macro. 00:50:07 It's intended to be bound to #\$ 00:50:10 how to use it ? 00:50:45 pjb: i didn't transfer from ratpoison, but i think stumpwm has a lot of mechanisms in place to make it pretty easy to move ratpoison configs and such. 00:51:09 yuri` [~user@189-48-179-254.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #lisp 00:51:11 pjb: it seems there is no #\$ in the code ? 00:51:12 It calls the reader macro function for #\( so it's used just like #\(. But at the end, it unreads #\), so it reads a list, but without eating the closing parenthesis. 00:51:30 '($a b c) --> ((a b c)) 00:52:08 '(1 2 3 . $ a b c) --> (1 2 3 a b c) 00:52:17 '(1 2 3 $ a b c) --> (1 2 3 (a b c)) 00:52:29 back. Connection dropped 00:52:32 damn connection 00:52:34 '($$$a b c) --> ((((a b c)))) 00:54:00 then it will have less parenthesis ? 00:54:34 I'm not sure the purpose to be that. But yes, it will. 00:55:18 where is #\$ in the code snippet ? 00:55:31 infix-DOLLAR-reader. 00:55:44 Of course, you can also bind it to any other character you please. 00:56:17 You must have somewhere: (set-macro-character #\$ 'infix-dollar-reader) 00:56:42 -!- yuri` is now known as Denommus 00:56:45 yes, thx 00:57:06 -!- Skrylar [~Skrylar@cpe-70-113-115-100.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:58:22 hm, this does not seem more readable for me. I honestly prefer the parenthesis 00:58:58 Since there's "infix" in the name of the reader macro function, I guess the purpose is to write things like (1 $ 2). 00:59:24 (= (+ 1 2 $ * 3 4 $ + 5 6) (+ 1 2 (* 3 4 (+ 5 6)))) ; => T 00:59:27 It translates as (1 (2)) which is then processed. 00:59:43 sw2wolf: really? 00:59:50 yes 01:00:20 It doesn't make a lot of sense then. 01:00:31 i think so 01:01:30 -!- walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:02:00 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:02:14 it seems to mimic '$'' in haskell ? 01:02:37 -!- ikki [~ikki@187.208.253.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:41 Uh, not at all. 01:03:02 $ is more like infix funcall. 01:03:55 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:04:00 it is indeed "infix" 01:04:23 1 + 2 $ 3 * 4 would be an error, since 3 is not a function. 01:04:39 No instance for (Num (a -> b)), particularly. 01:07:14 nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 01:07:55 ih haskell it should be (+ 1) $ 3 * 4 01:08:17 -!- googol [~matthew@lal-99-123.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:08:28 -!- Denommus [~user@189-48-179-254.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:08:29 <|3b|> ahungry: game could use mouse input, and should add cards from the end of the list instead of the front, so the key to use a particular card doesn't change unless you use one before it 01:08:31 That's totally different from what you wrote. 01:08:47 tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-109-66-59-155.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 01:10:02 Bike: you are right. it is not same as <$> in haskell 01:10:46 and <$> is a different operator from $... 01:11:01 yes 01:12:11 s/<$>/$ 01:12:37 -!- SKC [~shimoco@bzq-109-66-59-155.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:12:49 -!- gendl [~gendl@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has left #lisp 01:13:22 puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 01:14:38 walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:21:19 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 01:22:02 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:29:48 Skrylar [~Skrylar@cpe-70-113-115-100.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:31:51 |3b|: thanks for the feedback, I'll definitely work on those for next push 01:32:11 MoALTz_ [~no@host86-142-162-21.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 01:35:38 -!- MoALTz__ [~no@host86-142-162-21.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:36:41 -!- Bike [~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:37:43 sirdancealot [~sirdancea@cst-prg-8-16.cust.vodafone.cz] has joined #lisp 01:38:34 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-206-141.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 01:38:46 SKC [~shimoco@109.66.59.155] has joined #lisp 01:40:34 -!- pjb [~t@90.24.195.13] has left #lisp 01:41:31 pjb [~user@90.24.195.13] has joined #lisp 01:42:07 -!- zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:42:25 -!- tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-109-66-59-155.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:46:32 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 01:48:18 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Client Quit] 01:50:32 MoALTz__ [~no@host86-142-162-21.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 01:53:29 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-140-71.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:54:18 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@host86-142-162-21.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:54:52 Denommus [~user@179-236-72-106.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #lisp 01:55:07 what a shitty connection I'm having 01:55:27 anyone has seen this? http://www.reddit.com/r/lisp/comments/1adou4/list_of_libraries_that_needs_to_be_implemented/ 01:55:47 -!- walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:56:15 this got me thinking. Python has THE Python web framework (Django), so does Ruby (Rails, or Sinatra for those who want something simpler). Does Lisp have one? 01:56:21 v0yager [~v0yager@173.247.9.54] has joined #lisp 01:56:25 specifically CL, of course 01:56:48 <|3b|> hunchentoot is closest for CL 01:57:17 <|3b|> probably not as much of a 'framework' though 01:57:56 doesn't hunchentoot support PUT and DELETE yet? 01:58:47 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 01:59:40 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 02:00:33 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 02:00:45 googol [~matthew@lal-99-123.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU] has joined #lisp 02:01:05 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:04:33 -!- v0yager [~v0yager@173.247.9.54] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:05:10 gjemt [~gjemt@c-98-231-112-165.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:05:44 -!- jsj [~johan@unaffiliated/jsj] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:06:43 If lisp has a THE framework, I'd guess it's restas Denommus but that's certainly more contentious than in the other lang communities. 02:06:52 Hunchentoot is certainly THE web server 02:08:29 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:08:45 tsetumel_ [~shimoco@109.66.59.155] has joined #lisp 02:10:16 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 02:10:22 -!- gjemt [~gjemt@c-98-231-112-165.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #lisp 02:10:23 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 02:12:38 -!- SKC [~shimoco@109.66.59.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:16:21 oGMo: ping 02:18:28 -!- Denommus [~user@179-236-72-106.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:18:34 <|3b|> ahungry: also probably shouldn't wrap targeting cursor to other side of map, and should make it more obvious which square is target, particularly when something is standing on target square 02:20:17 <|3b|> ahungry: not sure if separate move target and move view controls is a good idea, might be better to center view on target or something? 02:20:40 Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 02:21:07 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 02:21:55 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 02:23:59 cdidd [~cdidd@93-80-5-226.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 02:25:45 fe[nl]ix: pong 02:26:39 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:29:01 nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 02:31:34 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 02:31:38 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 02:31:50 OK, back to asdf 02:32:15 just released my uiop enhancements of the afternoon in 2.32.12. Die, cl-fas, die! 02:32:19 cl-fad 02:33:12 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 02:35:19 oGMo: see my comment on https://github.com/sionescu/static-vectors/pull/1 02:36:25 -!- agumonkey [~agu@17.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:36:54 -!- sirdancealot [~sirdancea@cst-prg-8-16.cust.vodafone.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:37:51 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 02:38:18 Euthy [~euthy@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #lisp 02:38:35 fe[nl]ix: oh hrm .. i'll get back to you early next week on that, will dig up the code i was testing with 02:38:36 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:40:25 ok, thanks 02:41:48 knob [~knob@66-50-188-252.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 02:43:24 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:48:03 -!- Skrylar [~Skrylar@cpe-70-113-115-100.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:49:33 whoa, cl-fad overwrites ccl's delete-directory with the equivalent of ccl's delete-empty-directory. OUCH. 02:49:40 yeah, cl-fad must die. 02:50:30 thomas_yzj [~user@175.0.170.159] has joined #lisp 02:51:57 andres-v [~andres-v@186.176.35.186] has joined #lisp 02:52:03 -!- andres-v [~andres-v@186.176.35.186] has left #lisp 02:52:05 oh, that was not the latest cl-fad 02:52:08 still, it must die 02:52:49 sirdancealot [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 02:54:01 bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:56:45 agumonkey [~agu@17.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 02:57:40 Skrylar [~Skrylar@cpe-70-113-115-100.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:06:56 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 03:10:18 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 03:10:33 -!- sw2wolf [~czsq888@171.212.253.215] has left #lisp 03:11:03 walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:14:08 Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 03:14:29 -!- thomas_yzj 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solution is that fasl-op must NOT be a super-class of monolithic-fasl-op, instead a basic-fasl-op is introduced. 04:57:03 -!- holycow [~holycow@host-216-251-135-194.bchsia.skywaywest.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 05:04:35 -!- ISF_ [~ivan@187.64.222.221] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:11:55 sw2wolf [~czsq888@171.212.253.215] has joined #lisp 05:12:51 clhs with-standard-io-syntax 05:12:51 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_w_std_.htm 05:13:24 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@176.62.100.40] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 05:20:13 sw2wolf, you might (or not) like uiop:with-safe-io-syntax 05:20:13 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:23:30 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:29:05 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@71-82-124-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: I tend to be neutral about apples] 05:32:14 am0c [~am0c@123.143.4.100] has joined #lisp 05:36:12 alternatively, fasl-op should 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09:30:57 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.208] has joined #lisp 09:30:58 and dispens wih sql db 09:32:21 Kenjin [~kenjin@isr-dhcp-35.isr.uc.pt] has joined #lisp 09:32:48 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@isr-dhcp-35.isr.uc.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:33:04 Kenjin [~kenjin@isr-dhcp-35.isr.uc.pt] has joined #lisp 09:33:22 -!- oracle_dontdoit is now known as chaotic_good 09:33:28 what are you talking about? :) 09:34:18 bitonic [~user@b01bf0a7.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 09:34:53 www.prevayler.org in lisp 09:34:58 cl-prevalence 09:35:22 right. or bknr-datastore, which is the database used by quickhoney.com 09:38:14 srcerer_ [~chatzilla@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has joined #lisp 09:38:35 hmm 09:38:39 intersting 09:38:45 I fuckin hate women 09:38:52 go away 09:38:56 my girl mad @ no thing tongiht being cuntn and my cock hard 09:38:57 fuck 09:39:03 i shoudla fucked some other willign girls 09:39:08 someone forgot to take their meds 09:39:10 they love my cock but girlfriend get in way 09:39:26 can someone please help the guy to the door? 09:39:48 -!- srcerer [~chatzilla@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:40:10 H4ns: cmon 09:40:16 I love lisp 09:40:19 lets be civil 09:40:20 *theos* hands chaotic_good his walking stick 09:40:25 H4ns: are you german? 09:40:30 i suspect gavino 09:40:31 :) 09:40:34 I am gavino 09:40:37 I just turned 40 09:40:43 howd u knwo i need walking stik? 09:40:44 wow 09:40:48 magic sorcery! 09:40:55 :) 09:41:02 :) 09:41:16 I have ansi cmmon by graham and barksi land lisp 09:41:22 but still havent learned lisp 09:41:24 gosh 09:41:30 so hard for absic things I gueess 09:41:39 hunch n qucklisp seems awesome 09:41:48 -!- C-Keen [cckeen@pestilenz.org] has left #lisp 09:41:49 im bit drunk 09:41:54 scuse me 09:42:11 can you at least type /quit or /part ? 09:42:19 people get drunk and come to irc? weird 09:42:21 stassats`: imw way smarter than u not need meds 09:42:30 m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.228.19] has joined #lisp 09:42:30 way way smarter 09:42:34 be happy im into lisp 09:42:36 no communism 09:42:44 theos: gavino is like that drunk or not 09:42:58 and has been for years 09:43:03 stassats`: are u a jew? 09:43:10 i was with you till that last remark, stupid drunk 09:43:13 ah! he is the flyback of #lisp 09:43:31 iq 154 at least 09:43:35 probly 350 09:43:53 not a deliian robot tho 09:44:10 yeah 09:44:13 your not me 09:44:16 drewc p_l Xach gavino alert 09:44:25 ur gonna be a kickbanned whatever you are pretty soon 09:44:53 so what 09:44:59 your a fucking joker fag 09:45:05 :) 09:45:09 i dont give a shit 09:45:11 im 40 09:45:13 your poor 09:45:23 you dont have milion $$ lisp website 09:45:26 or not be here 09:45:30 ya fuckingn jew 09:45:41 go try n steal some mroe tax money from whitey 09:45:43 jewbag 09:45:46 lol 09:45:49 :) 09:45:52 just 40 and already senile 09:45:55 hel hitler sloter the jews 09:45:58 end public school 09:45:59 sterile* 09:46:03 use atomic energy 09:46:05 end ioil 09:46:07 thanks for ruining #lisp for today 09:46:10 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has left #lisp 09:46:12 voter repubpublican 09:46:15 go tea party 09:46:18 sloter al democrats 09:46:24 :) 09:46:30 fuck larry ellsio0n jew and end oracle 09:46:38 ban it from tax paid government use 09:46:40 :) 09:46:44 postgresql all the way 09:46:45 :) 09:46:48 just use /echo and talk 09:46:48 ;) 09:46:55 heil hitler sloter th ejews 09:46:57 -!- CoughSyrup [~csyrup@71-221-120-25.clsp.qwest.net] has left #lisp 09:46:58 sloter all jews 09:47:06 ;) 09:47:13 :) 09:47:18 H4ns ? 09:48:29 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-89.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:48:39 jus tnormal tal buff whtie guy here 09:48:43 ca[italism 09:48:47 ayn rand right about al 09:48:50 as was von mises 09:48:53 and john allison 09:48:57 and peter schiff 09:48:59 and tom woods 09:49:02 yeah baaby 09:49:04 chekc otu youtube 09:49:11 end al $$to university 09:49:16 and end al pub school 09:49:40 -!- zacts 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niggers 09:57:57 pres buttton 09:58:02 boy i just pressed it 600 times 09:58:10 steal 09:58:15 get out 09:58:18 -!- RenJuan [~juan@cpe-76-180-168-166.buffalo.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 09:58:24 good prodct good rpice stay 09:58:28 freedom lover stay 09:58:29 :) 09:58:31 that sme 09:58:32 !! 09:58:38 tits or get the fuck out 09:58:47 short? skiny? non tits? you a 2 09:58:53 be hapy 09:58:53 but dont act up 09:59:14 ok. its the same guy :/ and i thought something happened to this channel 09:59:18 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-162-13.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:00:02 lmfao.. 10:00:15 -!- stairmast0r [~stairmast@unaffiliated/stairmast0r] has left #lisp 10:01:02 :) 10:01:06 i just turned 40 10:01:13 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:01:13 and my busty latina girl being a bitch 10:01:21 i should dump her 10:01:25 tom leykis style 10:01:28 :) 10:02:47 sloter all democrats 10:03:00 -!- przl 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Which phase are you in today?] 11:12:05 nha [~prefect@koln-5d815a0b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 11:12:38 -!- tsetumel_ [~shimoco@109.66.59.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:15:01 Keshi [~Keshi@unaffiliated/keshi] has joined #lisp 11:15:01 -!- rwiker [~rwiker@53.84-48-40.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:15:06 Thra11 [~thrall@87.114.249.45] has joined #lisp 11:15:51 Evanescene [~Administr@218.74.186.70] has joined #lisp 11:16:06 -!- Evanescene [~Administr@218.74.186.70] has left #lisp 11:19:25 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #lisp 11:22:39 ebw [~user@f052038066.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 11:24:28 killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has joined #lisp 11:26:48 segv- [~mb@dslb-092-078-124-218.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 11:27:54 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-119.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:29:18 -!- googol [~matthew@lal-99-123.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:29:45 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-119.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:30:48 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-196-229-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 11:38:24 Saturn_ [~rose@113.14.46.223] has joined #lisp 11:40:15 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 11:42:19 leo2007 [~leo@182.48.109.29] has joined #lisp 11:43:53 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 11:44:05 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 11:44:41 MoALTz [~no@host86-138-29-192.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 11:45:14 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-119.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:50:29 Eldariof-ru [~CLD@188.168.242.77] has joined #lisp 11:52:18 RenJuan [~juan@cpe-76-180-168-166.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:53:13 dt770 [dt770@c-411ee755.05-23-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 11:53:24 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-196-229-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:55:18 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.133.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:56:26 oticat` [~oticat@36-229-163-163.dynamic-ip.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 11:57:03 Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 11:58:46 -!- dioxirane [~ln@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:01:24 -!- agumonkey [~agu@17.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:02:02 nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 12:04:09 xorox90 [uid7069@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uvhmykrrlwbmhzns] has joined #lisp 12:04:11 -!- xorox90 [uid7069@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uvhmykrrlwbmhzns] has left #lisp 12:06:42 xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.202] has joined #lisp 12:07:15 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:10:20 LiamH [~none@pool-74-96-4-63.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:11:27 *pavelpenev* is reminded of the crazy old guy in his neighborhood who shouts anti-muslim/gypsy propaganda out of his window every evening, and his neighbor who cursed the sun for half an hour for making his lunch spoil, calling it the enemy of all of humanity. 12:11:56 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-120-174.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:13:09 -!- xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.202] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:14:01 xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.202] has joined #lisp 12:14:40 pavelpenev, were they being helped by copious amount of vodka? 12:14:47 By what are you so reminded? 12:14:52 -!- Thra11 [~thrall@87.114.249.45] has quit [Quit: kthxbai] 12:15:19 Zhivago: the crazy guy who trolled #lisp today 12:15:23 the drunken troll here earlier 12:19:40 Whitesquall [~notwhites@94.242.166.224] has joined #lisp 12:21:31 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-119.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:23:06 -!- xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.202] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:24:29 i think his nick was givano. he was using a different nick though 12:25:18 Gooder [~user@60.24.147.14] has joined #lisp 12:25:34 Eldariof93-ru [~CLD@pppoe-201-141-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 12:26:43 dioxirane [~ln@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has joined #lisp 12:29:20 xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.202] has joined #lisp 12:29:30 -!- Eldariof-ru [~CLD@188.168.242.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:29:43 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:34:54 pegu [~user@cF469BF51.dhcp.as2116.net] has joined #lisp 12:35:59 err gavino* 12:36:27 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:38:25 -!- Whitesquall [~notwhites@94.242.166.224] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:38:28 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 12:40:08 vot_repub? 12:40:21 -!- dioxirane [~ln@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has left #lisp 12:40:23 damn 12:40:52 I'm sorry for not banning those idiots 12:40:58 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-119.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:41:37 p_l: I'd almost consider +muting webchat users... which I why I declined ops a long time ago (: 12:42:23 pkhuong: Unfortunately, I couldn't let myself do that. But I wish I was near my laptop at the time 12:43:05 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-119.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:43:11 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 12:45:04 a good strategy for reducing spam is to force users to identify before talking 12:45:53 if there are a lot of unwanted users, that is 12:46:03 -!- dt770 [dt770@c-411ee755.05-23-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Fug!] 12:46:28 -!- jaaso [~user@178.239.31.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:46:28 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@isr-dhcp-35.isr.uc.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:46:40 theos: yes, but a) I don't think my flags include that functionality b) I've been always iffy with such sweeping changes 12:49:36 hmm 12:58:03 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 13:00:26 Thra11 [~thrall@87.114.249.45] has joined #lisp 13:02:41 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-119.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:03:31 MoALTz_ [~no@host86-138-29-192.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 13:04:24 -!- EvW [~Thunderbi@a82-92-190-215.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:04:35 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-119.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:05:05 -!- MoALTz [~no@host86-138-29-192.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:05:41 EvW [~Thunderbi@a82-92-190-215.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 13:07:59 -!- febeling [~febeling@f055208245.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: febeling] 13:08:05 jaaso [~user@178.239.31.138] has joined #lisp 13:08:47 -!- jaaso [~user@178.239.31.138] has left #lisp 13:12:22 -!- Gooder [~user@60.24.147.14] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:13:02 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:14:42 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 13:16:20 kai_ [~kai@e179013038.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 13:17:33 Kenjin [~kenjin@isr-dhcp-35.isr.uc.pt] has joined #lisp 13:20:30 -!- Thra11 [~thrall@87.114.249.45] has quit [Quit: kthxbai] 13:21:12 dioxirane [~ln@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has joined #lisp 13:24:05 Thra11 [~quassel@87.114.249.45] has joined #lisp 13:26:00 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@isr-dhcp-35.isr.uc.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:26:16 nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 13:27:17 _d3f [~gnu@nl2.ovpn.to] has joined #lisp 13:27:51 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-119.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:27:57 Kenjin [~kenjin@isr-dhcp-35.isr.uc.pt] has joined #lisp 13:28:49 hlavaty`` [~user@friedrichstrasse.knowledgetools.de] has joined #lisp 13:29:10 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-67.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:30:40 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: game over] 13:30:48 -!- hlavaty` [~user@friedrichstrasse.knowledgetools.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:31:04 -!- dioxirane [~ln@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has quit [Quit: bye] 13:32:25 puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 13:32:54 -!- segv- [~mb@dslb-092-078-124-218.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:32:58 victor_lowther [~victor.lo@2602:306:36c6:f7e0:7c39:bec6:4a80:92d0] has joined #lisp 13:33:06 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 13:34:27 -!- ebw [~user@f052038066.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:35:27 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 13:37:07 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-194-97.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:39:48 dioxirane [~ln@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has joined #lisp 13:40:42 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-194-97.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:41:28 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-96-255-72-75.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:44:21 dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:44:29 Has anyone implemented a very fast data structure for integer sets yet? 13:44:40 Or must I roll my own? 13:45:56 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8FC4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 13:48:28 -!- Eldariof93-ru [~CLD@pppoe-201-141-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:49:05 Whitesquall [~notwhites@94.242.166.224] has joined #lisp 13:50:44 -!- jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:52:19 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-201-141-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 13:53:48 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 13:54:25 Quadrescence: bit vectors 13:54:58 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:56:18 stassats`, even for sparse sets? 13:56:33 yes 13:57:13 -!- Keshi [~Keshi@unaffiliated/keshi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:57:38 *sykopomp* wonders if there's any interesting alternatives to CL-style reader macros to achieve something similar. 13:57:54 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-67.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:58:19 Thra11_ [~quassel@31.185.182.226] has joined #lisp 13:58:50 stassats`, that seems very odd, since the size will be O(max(set)) 13:59:51 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-67.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:59:56 you asked for fast 14:00:42 although for random access large size may be not fast, but you're a grownup, you can decide for yourself whether it suits your needs or not 14:01:18 -!- Thra11 [~quassel@87.114.249.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:04:44 -!- Thra11_ [~quassel@31.185.182.226] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 14:05:09 Thra11 [~quassel@31.185.182.226] has joined #lisp 14:06:03 as it happens, you can think of this page-level indirection that I'm playing with for unicode data as a decently fast set implementation 14:06:03 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:06:34 constant factors matter, of course 14:06:55 -!- seangrove [~user@182.221.39.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:06:59 right now I'm just using a hash table, which is a bit heavyweight 14:08:08 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-67.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:09:29 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-194-97.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:10:11 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-172-103.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:10:27 bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:14:47 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:15:53 casion [~AdmiralBu@pool-71-99-141-240.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:16:15 ebw [~user@p5B2DA43C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 14:16:51 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-96-255-72-75.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:16:58 depends on how sparse sparse is. For a lot of cases, bit vectors are pretty good. An SBCL hash table is something like 4 words/entry. Unless your density < 1/256 on x86-64, a bit vector will be simpler and more compact. A typical search tree will be similar. I'd consider a sorted vector of integers, potentially with gaps to enable log or log^2 inserts. 14:19:45 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:21:05 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:26:15 Quadrescence: a sparse set is a sparse tensor? 14:27:21 all in nature is a set.. 14:27:56 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:28:22 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 14:28:38 -!- xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.202] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:28:59 pkhuong, The density is on average 0.004% 14:29:41 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-238-030.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:29:55 treaps are a classic for that kind of case. 14:30:20 yes, i am wondering if anyone has implementations, or if i have to roll my own 14:31:28 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:31:41 Quadrescence: the standard library has most of what's needed for sorted vectors. 14:31:56 (with linear-time insertions) 14:32:56 seangrove [~user@182.221.39.188] has joined #lisp 14:34:05 I'm reading the blog of pavpanchekha... treaps: the magical awesome bbt 14:34:36 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 14:35:37 Quadrescence, what kind of set do you want, exactly? 14:35:42 pure or stateful? 14:35:55 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@host86-138-29-192.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:36:11 whatever is more efficient in lisp, so probably stateful 14:36:37 really I am using the set to construct an equivalence relation, so it's purely for an internal calculation, and isn't exposed 14:36:56 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 14:37:01 wow... what kind of calculation are you doing Quadrescence ? 14:37:52 I am trying to solve a programming exercise in a naive way 14:37:52 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:38:10 -!- Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:38:57 lil has "fast mergeable integer maps", which are fast if you do lots of merged. But I suppose you could optimize a lot more to implement sets 14:39:17 (actually, with fixnum as leaves, you could use that directly) 14:39:24 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.133.85] has joined #lisp 14:39:48 of course, I only implemented the pure version. 14:42:12 -!- seangrove [~user@182.221.39.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:43:20 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-172-103.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:44:36 xan___ [~xan@80.174.78.158.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 14:45:58 nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 14:46:07 arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-046-005-062-174.hsi8.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 14:46:13 -!- xan__ [~xan@80.174.78.134.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:54:26 agumonkey [~agu@17.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 14:59:18 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-166-106.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:00:28 MoALTz [~no@host86-138-29-192.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 15:01:34 -!- MoALTz [~no@host86-138-29-192.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:20 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-37-38.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 15:03:56 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-98-118-244-90.clppva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:07:54 MoALTz [~no@host86-138-29-192.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 15:07:54 seangrove [~user@182.221.39.188] has joined #lisp 15:08:42 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 15:09:02 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 15:10:26 (asdf/find-system:coerce-name "DRAKMA") does not downcase the string 15:11:42 is that a problem? 15:13:07 -!- Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:13:39 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-177-230.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:14:53 bhyde: that's intentional 15:15:29 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 15:15:38 it's not a problem, it just surprised me. I assume there was a rational; a desire to encourage camel case in system naming :)? 15:15:49 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 15:16:40 -!- seangrove [~user@182.221.39.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:18:24 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:19:57 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-37-38.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:21:32 pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has joined #lisp 15:24:29 gendl: OK, pushed a fix as 2.32.13 15:24:31 enjoy 15:25:05 -!- youlysses_zzz [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:26:17 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 15:26:38 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:28:47 ase_ [~ase@ip56583baa.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #lisp 15:29:34 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 15:29:43 -!- dioxirane [~ln@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has quit [Quit: bye] 15:29:52 http://paste.lisp.org/+2WZU is what lead to my momentary surprise 15:31:10 -!- walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:32:00 walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:33:07 -!- ase_ [~ase@ip56583baa.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:34:26 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:38:23 -!- Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:39:42 MoALTz_ [~no@host86-138-29-192.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 15:41:19 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:42:31 -!- MoALTz [~no@host86-138-29-192.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:43:26 v_ [~v@61.173.91.144] has joined #lisp 15:47:13 -!- Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:47:49 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 15:50:11 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:50:23 dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:50:53 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:51:14 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 15:52:12 dklj3 [~ase@ip56583baa.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #lisp 15:53:08 -!- MoALTz_ is now known as MoALTz 15:54:50 -!- yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:55:05 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 15:56:52 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:59:02 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.22.248] has joined #lisp 15:59:02 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.22.248] has quit [Changing host] 15:59:02 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 16:00:33 What is the most recent emacs clone in cl you know? 16:00:51 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:02:36 gabnet [~gabnet@ACaen-652-1-192-63.w83-115.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 16:02:53 -!- gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:03:24 The most recent was climacs, AFAIK. 16:03:46 http://cliki.net/CL-Emacs 16:04:18 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:04:59 But actually, you write an emacs as soon as you write (defvar *bindings* (make-hash-table)) (loop for key = (read-char-no-hang) do (funcall (gethash key *bindings* (function beep)))) 16:05:07 That's the minimum emacs. 16:06:10 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-67.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:06:21 -!- Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06:40 pub - your forgot the "contributions welcome" 16:07:00 pub -> pjb 16:07:03 :-) 16:07:46 well, I don't think that's enough for a minimal enough, that's the spirit though. You also need an elisp interpreter 16:08:06 dim: well, it's written in lisp, so you have a lisp interpreter for free. 16:08:15 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 16:08:30 seangrove [~user@182.221.39.188] has joined #lisp 16:09:05 you know what I mean way better than I do, and it's not a lisp interpreter that's needed but an *elisp* one, with all the API compat' to run any script you can find written for Emacs already in those last 35 years 16:09:09 (defun eval-last-expression () (backward-sexp) (let ((pt (point))) (forward-sexp) (eval (read-from-string (buffer-substring pt (point)))))) (bind #\Return 'eval-last-expression) 16:09:31 jaaso [~user@178.239.31.138] has joined #lisp 16:09:33 There, you get access to the lisp thru Return. (just implement the missing functions) 16:10:11 dim: well ok, if you want elisp, yes, you need to implement it (start from Hemlock's one). 16:10:26 (signal 'impossible-mood) 16:10:39 If you require that, then there are no emacs clone ever. xemacs was a fork, not a clone. 16:10:48 ah you're back already, hello pjb :) 16:11:10 well Tromey's work was interesting 16:11:24 http://tromey.com/blog/?p=751 16:11:25 in progress. 16:11:39 of course, and he seems to be doing something else 16:11:41 -!- ebw [~user@p5B2DA43C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:11:54 maybe you would be interested to make progress happen on that project? 16:12:09 What would you do if you won 50e6 at the lotto? 16:13:16 1. setup things so that I don't have to worry about money anymore 16:13:22 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-98-118-244-90.clppva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 16:13:44 -!- seangrove [~user@182.221.39.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:13:49 I've heard that can take a juge amount of time and skills, particulary if you want to maintain some standards while doing so 16:13:51 It's not so easy to do. 16:13:59 s/juge/huge/ 16:14:24 after that, enjoy 16:14:31 did you win 50e6? 16:14:42 I wish! :-) 16:15:00 meanwhile, what about porting Emacs to CL? :) 16:15:49 I would love to do it, but I don't have the time: I'm a wage slave right now. Otherwise, I've started writing an emacs in clisp. 16:15:52 sellout- [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has joined #lisp 16:16:12 in 2006. 16:16:34 did you reach the stage where you can use it personnaly yet? 16:17:14 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:17:38 Well, I can type some text in, and it has a lot of bugs. I need to redo the display engine and make it portable. 16:17:50 But it's not even 10% of Hemlock yet. 16:18:14 I just had fun a few week ends with it. 16:19:19 ebw [~user@f052122038.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 16:20:51 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 16:21:12 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 16:23:28 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-67.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:25:40 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-67.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:28:54 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 16:28:58 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:29:18 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-002-151.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 16:33:48 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@2602:306:36c6:f7e0:7c39:bec6:4a80:92d0] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:40:03 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 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[2ec26504@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.194.101.4] has joined #lisp 18:22:56 does anyone have a simple web application in cl? like with users authentication and such basic stuff to look at? 18:23:19 seems there are no tutorials at all how to make a "usable" (whatever THAT means! :) web app... 18:25:20 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:28:35 Thra11_ [~quassel@87.112.216.223] has joined #lisp 18:28:47 -!- Thra11 [~quassel@31.185.182.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:29:59 frotzy: I'm working at it :) 18:30:54 frotzy: https://leanpub.com/lispwebtales and a free html version at http://lispwebtales.ppenev.com/ Stil a very early stage 18:32:40 vsync: a ITA, we have a with-prefixed-accessors macro 18:33:06 we really ought to start a utility library 18:33:21 hmm but i don't even need that cleverness 18:33:34 i'm just surprised that given an accessor FOO they don't let you default to naming the binding FOO 18:33:47 Eldariof-ru [~CLD@pppoe-211-52-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 18:33:54 i think with-accessors was fairly late, but yeah, would be kind of nice 18:34:17 though in most cases yes prefixes could be cluttery 18:34:43 mike25 [~user@host86-130-28-112.range86-130.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 18:34:47 (defmacro with-accessors+ (binds object &body) `(with-accessors ,@(mapcar (lambda (bind) (if (listp bind) bind (list bind bind))) binds) ,object ,@body)) 18:36:55 joe9 [~user@c-24-98-97-215.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:37:54 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-201-141-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:38:09 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.25.200] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:39:03 Houl [~Parmi@unaffiliated/houl] has joined #lisp 18:39:14 ncw [ncw@conference/pycon/x-hphqrrgpupfovesi] has joined #lisp 18:40:20 cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.25.200] has joined #lisp 18:43:12 cajetanus [~cajetanus@public-gprs569973.centertel.pl] has joined #lisp 18:45:08 can anyone help me with cl-graph/cl-containers? although it's probably more of some kind of silly syntax issue on my part as i am quite short on sleep: http://paste.lisp.org/display/136078 18:45:25 Thra11 [~quassel@87.113.125.35] has joined #lisp 18:45:41 -!- Thra11_ [~quassel@87.112.216.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:46:21 -!- ncw [ncw@conference/pycon/x-hphqrrgpupfovesi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:46:56 vsync: remove :error-if-not-found?, that's an &optional not a &key 18:47:31 http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-graph/user-guide.html#find-vertex 18:47:56 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.25.200] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:48:03 yep, bleary eyes on my part, thanks 18:48:11 but where on earth was the 6-arg thing coming from? 18:48:14 ... 18:48:27 ohhhhh because it was passing the &rest through 18:48:53 -!- blackwol` [~blackwolf@ool-4574e84c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:49:32 wbooze 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New: Hunchentoot 1.2.15, SBCL 1.1.5, CFFI 0.11.0, Babel 0.4.0, trivial-garbage 0.20, trivial-features 0.7, ASDF 2.32 19:40:36 Fare: there you go 19:41:00 -!- v_ [~v@61.173.91.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:42:52 -!- SKC [~shimoco@bzq-109-66-59-155.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:43:11 hunchen-tastic! 19:44:09 -!- sellout- [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:44:13 -!- invariant [~invariant@unaffiliated/invariant] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 19:44:29 bhyde [~bhyde@209.6.175.150] has joined #lisp 19:46:20 -!- mike25 [~user@host86-130-28-112.range86-130.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:46:57 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@93-80-5-226.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:47:25 alexshendi [~alexshend@HSI-KBW-078-043-199-120.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 19:48:19 [1]Skrylar [HydraIRC@cpe-70-113-115-100.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:57:38 v_ [~v@61.173.110.43] has joined #lisp 19:59:17 hello, what extension do you use for parenscript code? .lisp? 20:02:17 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-67.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:02:40 yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:03:03 -!- yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:03:03 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 20:04:00 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-67.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:05:12 ISF_ [~ivan@187.64.222.221] has joined #lisp 20:05:53 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-37-38.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:08:50 SKC [~shimoco@bzq-109-66-59-155.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 20:09:46 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-211-52-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [] 20:11:27 alexshendi: by default, yes. But you can use any extension. Write ;;;; -*- mode:lisp; coding:utf-8 -*- on the first line to make emacs happy. 20:11:30 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-136-13-118.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:12:25 -!- tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-109-66-59-155.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:12:42 dekuked [~dekuked@64-13-64-46.gsb.clearwire-dns.net] has joined #lisp 20:14:39 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:16:41 pjb: thanks 20:16:47 -!- spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Quit: spacefrogg] 20:16:55 -!- [1]Skrylar [HydraIRC@cpe-70-113-115-100.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:19:03 alexshendi: if you plan to load them with asdf, it's easier to just use .lisp 20:19:47 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-67-188.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 20:22:26 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 20:22:32 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8FC4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:22:36 googol [~matthew@lal-99-123.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU] has joined #lisp 20:22:42 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 20:22:52 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 20:23:46 My workflow using Parenscript was: Translate the stuff using SBCL, then test the JS with node.js. Is there a better way? 20:24:35 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8FC4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:25:20 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 20:32:30 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:34:56 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-177-230.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38:53 tsetumel_ [~shimoco@109.66.59.155] has joined #lisp 20:42:28 -!- SKC [~shimoco@bzq-109-66-59-155.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:43:48 ok, what are your wishes for an asdf3 tutorial? 20:44:10 H4ns, thanks! 20:44:14 Re-L [~Arttt@201-192-202-46.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 20:44:35 like in general, or a "this is what's different from asdf2" thing? 20:44:38 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@209.6.175.150] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 20:45:32 I would like more scenario-driven examples, e.g. "If you have a piece that has to be compiled via a separate process, here's how the system file can help you do it." 20:46:04 Not ASDF3-specific, I'd like to see more things like that in general. 20:46:32 "If you want your FASL files for project/ to be stored in project/fasls/ rather than globally, here's how to do it." 20:46:44 I suppose that's more manual than tutorial 20:47:29 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-67-188.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:49:18 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:55:05 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Quit: rpg] 20:55:07 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-67.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:56:15 -!- joneshf [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:56:46 joneshf [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 20:57:00 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-192-67.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:57:03 -!- bitonic [~user@b01bf0a7.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:58:51 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-177-230.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:59:04 [1]Skrylar [HydraIRC@cpe-70-113-115-100.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:00:54 -!- antgreen_ is now known as antgreen 21:03:07 -!- Re-L [~Arttt@201-192-202-46.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Quit:     (xchat 2.4.5  )] 21:07:35 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-67-188.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 21:07:50 Myk267 [~myk@adsl-71-149-249-241.dsl.mtry01.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:08:53 SKC [~shimoco@109.66.59.155] has joined #lisp 21:09:21 dt770 [dt770@c-411ee755.05-23-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 21:10:23 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-177-230.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:11:49 test__ [~test@xdsl-78-35-177-230.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:13:01 -!- tsetumel_ [~shimoco@109.66.59.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:13:34 -!- dt770 [dt770@c-411ee755.05-23-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Client Quit] 21:15:12 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-67-188.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:15:28 -!- test__ [~test@xdsl-78-35-177-230.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 21:17:00 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:17:20 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-177-230.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:18:21 *Fare* offered to give an ASDF3 tutorial at ELS 2013. 21:18:22 I realize I should also cover more basic things from ASDF2 and ASDF1. 21:19:06 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 21:24:08 -!- bege_ is now known as bege 21:24:48 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 21:26:03 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.228.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:26:12 -!- dekuked [~dekuked@64-13-64-46.gsb.clearwire-dns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:27:03 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 21:31:05 KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-98-202-60-177.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:31:18 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.133.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:32:39 bhyde must be an old-school hacker. his defpackages don't have :use clauses. 21:34:14 at all? 21:34:27 (cl:this (cl:that ...))? 21:34:42 -!- dnolen [~user@199.106.164.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:34:56 or just a (use-package ...) somewhere 21:36:08 No, it just doesn't build on SBCL: "APP-PACKAGE::MAKE-ARRAY is undefined" 21:36:15 vsync: Well, it's implementation-dependent what a missing :use means. It might still use CL  not sure what the behavior for various impls is  I just always use :use. 21:36:27 oh, sarcasm 21:37:02 No sarcasm, it's just the kind of thing you might do if you learned CL before SBCL and don't use SBCL much or at all. 21:37:29 oh. 21:37:51 Maybe it's sarcastic to call that "old-school", but not too much. 21:38:16 Xach: monoimplist. 21:38:32 well, SBCL is as far as I know alone in omitting CL from the default use list. 21:38:45 I think it's a good habit to always be explicit about :use, anyway. 21:38:54 Indeed. 21:38:54 tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-109-66-59-155.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 21:39:04 Artheist [~quassel@modemcable051.243-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 21:39:56 i would rather have to explicitly list it, because of reasons. 21:42:41 -!- __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:42:46 -!- SKC [~shimoco@109.66.59.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:43:09 Fare: ha, did you poke someone re: function-cache? 21:43:21 _main_ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:43:23 Fare: I just went to review it and it has a bulleted list of differences from fare-memoization. 21:43:30 -!- taraz [~user@p5B298478.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:44:11 -!- toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:45:50 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:46:07 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8FC4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:46:14 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 21:47:05 -!- _main_ is now known as __main__ 21:49:23 Is it possible to flush slime presentations (to free the results for collection)? 21:50:34 Xach: no I didn't -- nice that it mentions fare-memoization. 21:50:42 so, should I retire mine in favor of his? 21:51:44 alexshendi: I've not used parenscript since a long time, but I was more of the generate snippets dynamically from a lisp web server and send them to the client (either in