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00:25:03 if you are splitting on just one character, try split-sequence (its a package) 00:25:15 -!- breakds [~breakds@wifi-116.cs.wisc.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:25:31 if you are splitting on a number of whitespace characters, my favorite is to just use cl-ppcre 00:25:32 thanks orthecreedence . 00:25:34 hiteki`` [~user@2a01:e35:2ed9:5530:211:24ff:febf:9313] has joined #lisp 00:25:38 might do the latter. 00:25:49 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 00:25:55 actually i can probably just use the lisp reader 00:26:23 i'm implementing a dialect of Forth on top of my Lisp stuff 00:26:26 no problem. i like to save the compiled regexes (or "scanners") in a global var so they can be used over and over instead of recompiling the regex each time the function is called 00:26:38 oh probably 00:28:38 -!- Blkt [~user@82.84.175.154] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28:53 doesn't cl-ppcre have a compiler-macro-function for the regexes? 00:29:02 -!- natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-46-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 00:29:24 well, if i use the lisp reader i get the benefit of the package system for the forth names 00:29:40 madnificent: didn't know about that if it does 00:30:02 s/forth names/word names 00:30:22 thanks for your help gentlemen/ladies 00:30:47 dous [~dous@cm86.sigma71.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #lisp 00:30:47 -!- dous [~dous@cm86.sigma71.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Changing host] 00:30:47 dous [~dous@unaffiliated/dous] has joined #lisp 00:31:57 madnificent, orthecreedence: yes, it does for constant regexes 00:32:10 thanks for confirming Bike 00:32:29 well looks like ive got some refactoring to do then 00:32:40 thanks for the tip :) 00:32:52 orthecreedence: try m-.ing scan-to-strings and so on if you want to be sure, though 00:33:05 so, is it heresy to implement a visual Forth in Lisp? i started to feel that lisp expression nesting was not the best fit for the visual programming style i want. 00:33:12 -!- agumonkey [~agu@177.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:33:13 orthecreedence: if you use apply, it doesn't work. at least your refactoring will make your code easier :) 00:33:20 Forth is pretty cool in my book. 00:33:29 dto: heresy! why isn't it a good fit? 00:33:46 editing expressions required a lot of mousing 00:33:57 Bike: m-.ing? 00:33:57 dto: though i actually like Joy better, maybe >_> 00:34:09 i decided i want to implement the language/tools as not-mouse-dependent 00:34:16 orthecreedence: M-., you know, slime-edit-definition 00:34:26 Bike: i'm going for something like Factor , but inside an opengl game engine :) 00:34:30 ahh slime. sorry, i use vim =] 00:34:33 neato 00:34:43 so i need primitives like TEXTURE, QUAD etc 00:34:44 orthecreedence: oh, well, i would guess there's something like it in slimv 00:34:56 probably 00:35:04 i've heard good things about slimv. 00:35:10 i love it 00:35:19 dto: the benefit of the s-expressions seems to be that you can easly create new constructs. if you don't have a need for that, you may as well use a different language. or use m-expressions, if that'd help... 00:35:33 dous_ [~dous@unaffiliated/dous] has joined #lisp 00:35:50 well im liking the concatenative feel. i've been itching for years to do something with forth, anyway :) 00:35:58 (meaning that i think it's sane) 00:36:04 okay! 00:36:34 madnificent: forth is really pretty good at code-is-data, though. moreso factor which even has quotation. 00:36:54 -!- toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:37:04 (to be clear, quotations are more like thunks than they are like Lisp's QUOTE) 00:37:05 well i plan to use the lisp reader and push embedded lists onto the stack as a whole 00:37:15 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 00:37:30 i think that would be a rough analog of the factor quoting thing (i have the Factor whitepaper next to me, but could be misinterpreting) 00:37:38 hiteki``` [~user@2a01:e35:2ed9:5530:211:24ff:febf:9313] has joined #lisp 00:38:10 -!- bitonic` [~user@b0fcec0a.bb.sky.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:38:10 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:38:12 -!- dous [~dous@unaffiliated/dous] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:38:44 linse [~marioooh@82-91-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has joined #lisp 00:38:44 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:40:24 elkng [~elkng@unaffiliated/elkng] has joined #lisp 00:40:36 how to evaluate expression in that channel ? 00:40:55 -!- dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:41:01 orthecreedence: FWIW here's what I use to split on whitespace: (defun split-ws (string) (delete "" (split-sequence-if (lambda (x) (member x '(#\Space #\Tab #\Newline))) string) :test #'equal)) 00:41:43 jasom, what's the delete for? 00:41:56 oh nevermind 00:41:57 -!- hiteki`` [~user@2a01:e35:2ed9:5530:211:24ff:febf:9313] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:42:05 -!- hiteki``` [~user@2a01:e35:2ed9:5530:211:24ff:febf:9313] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:42:07 Qworkescence: split-sequence splits on any character that matches so " " would -> ("" "") 00:42:09 jasom: did not know split sequence had the split-sequence-if function. thanks for pointing that out...it's a lot simpler than using regexes 00:42:17 jasom, split-sequence-if has an option to remove empty results IIRC 00:42:25 like :include-empty-strings nil, or something 00:42:25 It does. 00:42:44 hiteki``` [~user@2a01:e35:2ed9:5530:211:24ff:febf:9313] has joined #lisp 00:42:50 Qworkescence: thanks for that :remove-empty t 00:42:56 yes 00:43:45 orthecreedence: you can obviously replace the lambda with any whitespace checking you want; CL doesn't have a whitespace-char-p in the standard library 00:43:56 right 00:44:20 makes sense 00:45:16 (defun split-ws (string) (split-sequence-if (lambda (x) (member x '(#\Space #\Tab #\Newline))) string :remove-empty-subseqs t)) ; new improved version 00:45:42 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-17-145.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:45:51 -!- sw2wolf [~czsq888@222.209.242.184] has left #lisp 00:46:22 francisl [~anonymous@bas3-montreal42-1242353936.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 00:48:35 orthecreedence: a good whitespace-char-p might include these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_character#Unicode 00:49:06 does lisp have native unicode character formats? 00:49:22 like #\U+0023 00:49:34 nope 00:49:44 try looking at cl-unicode, though 00:49:45 orthecreedence: not in the spec, but on most implementations (code-char #x23) will do that 00:49:53 and cl-unicode will patch up the ones that don't 00:50:21 oh nice. good to know. havent had to do much unicode stuff at all (besides encoding/decoding via babel) 00:50:59 orthecreedence: the standard just says roughly that you will have at least a certain small number of characters and that every character you do have will have a character code 00:52:28 ok. so probably just the english alphabet? 00:52:49 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-75.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:53:05 I think it's the English alphabet and enough punctuation for the reader macros. 00:53:15 clhs 2.1.3 00:53:15 Standard Characters: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_ac.htm 00:53:32 orthecreedence: in modern lisp implementations you have unicode at your disposal. 00:53:47 orthecreedence: but in theory, you don't necessarily have that. 00:53:59 -!- dous_ [~dous@unaffiliated/dous] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:54:35 are there any lisp implementations that are like IE is to other browsers? 00:54:49 like enough people use it that you have to program for it but its features lag? 00:55:13 orthecreedence: if you take an old enough version of SBCL, it won't have utf-8 enabled, for instance. 00:55:31 orthecreedence: i think ECL is the most anal which is effectively used. 00:55:44 that makes sense. 00:55:59 gcl is maybe the IE of lisp implementations, except nobody uses it except to compile maxima 00:56:42 -!- Thra11_ [~thrall@18.93.125.91.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:57:03 interesting. never used gcl 00:57:03 (defun split-ws (string) (delete "" (split-sequence-if (lambda (x) (member x '#.(cl-unicode:list-all-characters "White_Space"))) string :remove-empty-subseqs t))) ; cl-unicode version 00:57:32 (cl-unicode:list-all-characters "White_Space") that's useful =] 00:57:36 Bike: isn't maxima working on other implementations now? 00:57:51 yes 01:01:36 breakds [~breakds@dyn-72-33-177-82.uwnet.wisc.edu] has joined #lisp 01:03:23 BerntH [~BerntH@about/essy/coffeeAddict/Thumper] has joined #lisp 01:05:50 -!- doomlord [~doomlod@host86-166-19-243.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:06:15 normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-137-147-134.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 01:09:21 jasom, http://paste.lisp.org/display/135004 01:09:54 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:11:26 Qworkescence: your compiler macro is a bit buggy if item is side effectual, i'm sure you'll be excited to hear 01:11:52 Bike: that's fine since it's only called from memberp 01:11:57 pyx [~pyx@d24-141-100-35.home.cgocable.net] has joined #lisp 01:12:14 er forget everything I just said 01:12:32 -!- francisl [~anonymous@bas3-montreal42-1242353936.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:12:38 bitonic [~user@b0fcec0a.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 01:12:42 -!- Joreji [~thomas@84-182.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:13:09 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:13:10 Bike, i am okay with that 01:13:25 just thought i might mention it. 01:14:50 victor_lowther [~victor.lo@76-205-169-48.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:16:07 it was supposed to be a very funny joke wherein I do the equivalent of overgeneralizing Java code in Lisp, namely, writing a macro for a small repetitive task and the macro definition ends up being much longer than the actual expansion that could have just been done by hand. 01:16:25 smooth joke 01:16:29 thanks :) 01:16:45 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:21:13 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 01:22:56 francisl [~anonymous@69.157.142.109] has joined #lisp 01:25:09 i suspect there is spam on paste.lisp.org 01:25:21 FREE STEAM GAMES keeps popping up 01:25:39 and FREE NETFLIX 01:25:50 http://paste.lisp.org/list 01:26:12 yeah wow it's been going on forever. 01:26:20 http://paste.lisp.org/list?29 01:27:22 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@95-28-115-114.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:29:56 ldionmarcil [~ldm@unaffiliated/maden] has joined #lisp 01:31:08 uhh, what 01:31:20 I'm trying to quickload babel, but it doesn't want to cooperate: 01:31:25 ; caught ERROR: 01:31:25 ; (during macroexpansion of (DEFINE-UTF-16 :UTF-16)) 01:31:25 ; #:~A-CODE-POINT-COUNTER fell through ETYPECASE expression. 01:31:25 ; Wanted one of (STRING SIMPLE-STRING). 01:31:38 first time I'm seeing any problems with Babel that I can remember 01:32:45 mathrick: I think I used to get that. get a newer version? 01:33:39 hmm, I guess I can try an update to QL 01:35:19 -!- ikki [~ikki@187.240.179.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:35:35 -!- jynnantonix [~textual@140.247.0.98] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 01:37:42 mathrick: that was a bug in alexandria, fixed long ago 01:37:57 Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 01:38:54 yeah, I think my newly installed SBCL picked up a stale copy of quicklisp, updating it now 01:39:11 that's what copying bits and pieces of homedirs between machines gets you 01:42:31 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 01:44:18 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:46:49 Jsandys [~jeff@50-47-98-148.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has joined #lisp 01:46:51 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 01:47:19 -!- bitonic [~user@b0fcec0a.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:50:13 ikki [~ikki@187.208.230.66] has joined #lisp 01:51:36 -!- gigamonkey [~textual@50.1.48.145] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 01:53:07 OK, so I'm seeing the same after an update 01:53:11 in babel-20121125-git 01:53:53 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:54:33 -!- ThomasH [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/thomash] has left #lisp 01:55:02 Did you update Alexandria? 01:56:42 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-72-66-99-183.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:56:42 yes 01:56:57 but I decided to just kill ~/quicklisp and start from scratch 01:58:25 Error while trying to load definition for system teepeedee2 from pathname 01:58:25 /home/mathrick/quicklisp/local-projects/teepeedee2/teepeedee2.asd: 01:58:25 Component "cl-fad" not found 01:58:26 hmm 01:58:29 I don't like this 01:58:38 it's not supposed to error out BEFORE downloading things 02:01:04 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.169] has joined #lisp 02:01:50 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@76-205-169-48.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:02:07 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:03:22 doomlord [~doomlod@host86-166-19-243.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 02:06:33 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:06:53 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:08:16 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:08:45 AntiTyping [~apliszka@74.73.56.156] has joined #lisp 02:08:58 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-72-66-99-183.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:10:19 peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 02:14:19 -!- groovy2shoes [~cory@unaffiliated/groovebot] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 02:18:26 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #lisp 02:18:26 groovy2shoes [~cory@unaffiliated/groovebot] has joined #lisp 02:24:26 leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.66] has joined #lisp 02:26:54 -!- two- [~1@c-67-171-131-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 02:29:41 sarcasmus [~univyrse@71-82-19-203.static.mtgm.al.charter.com] has joined #lisp 02:29:59 hi im using sbcl and I'm having trouble getting declare and special to work 02:30:57 sarcasmus: paste.lisp.org 02:33:11 http://paste.lisp.org/display/135006 02:33:16 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.66] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.92.1] 02:33:26 -!- francisl [~anonymous@69.157.142.109] has quit [Quit: francisl] 02:34:10 sarcasmus: the first let, around the defun, introduces x as a lexical variable. you need a declare special there too. (or put another way, the quality of a variable being special is itself lexical) 02:35:28 could you give a tiny example? i'm not exactly sure what you mean 02:35:29 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-137-147-134.mycingular.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:35:36 where in the let does special need to be called? 02:36:02 (let (special ((x 20)))(declare (special x))(dynx)) ? 02:38:59 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:40:58 francisl [~anonymous@69.157.142.109] has joined #lisp 02:43:15 bike are you still there? i dont really understand where i need to call declare and special 02:43:50 -!- francisl [~anonymous@69.157.142.109] has quit [Client Quit] 02:44:03 -!- linse [~marioooh@82-91-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 02:44:24 -!- Jsandys [~jeff@50-47-98-148.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:45:06 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-82-146.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:48:02 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@2.81.202.119] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:49:15 sarcasmus: special and declare aren't functions. 02:49:26 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:49:39 -!- sarcasmus [~univyrse@71-82-19-203.static.mtgm.al.charter.com] has left #lisp 02:49:43 sarcasmus: I'm saying you need something like (let ((x 10)) (declare (special x)) (defun dynx () x)). 02:49:44 sarcasmus [~univyrse@71-82-19-203.static.mtgm.al.charter.com] has joined #lisp 02:50:27 I've got it working by wrapping it all in a defun and just having (declare (special x)) before the rest of the code, but i still dont really get how declare and special work 02:51:18 It means that in this lexical scope x refers to the special variable x. 02:52:00 yeah but I dont understand where that stops, since both declare and special are closed. when does x refer to global x again? 02:52:23 Kenjin [~kenjin@2.81.202.119] has joined #lisp 02:52:26 declare and special aren't functions, they're markers that are treated specially. 02:52:49 ok that makes a bit more sense, but where are their boundaries? 02:52:52 in (let (...) (declare ...) ...) the declarations are bound to the let form. so they go away after that, same as the variables bound by the let. 02:53:04 bound /by/ the let form, would maybe be better. 02:53:22 they arent in a let form now, I've got the solution differently, lemme paste it real quick 02:53:34 It's about the same for other forms. 02:53:41 operators, rather 02:53:44 defun, for instance. 02:54:02 http://paste.lisp.org/display/135007 02:54:05 oh 02:54:07 OH 02:54:22 ok so the form above declare and special define their scope 02:54:30 that makes a lot more sense to me 02:54:58 dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-32-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:58:05 alright i think thatll wrap it up, i was just stuck on that for a while 02:58:11 thanks a ton bike and Zhivago 02:58:20 -!- sarcasmus [~univyrse@71-82-19-203.static.mtgm.al.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:59:23 dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:59:39 madnificent: i got the first draft of my mini-forth together. want to see? 02:59:43 it seems sane so far 03:00:05 i piggybacked on the lisp reader as previously discussed. 03:01:25 ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:01:38 madnificent: here ya go https://raw.github.com/dto/blocky/master/forth.lisp 03:04:54 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-72-66-99-183.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:05:11 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:05:31 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #lisp 03:08:04 -!- doomlord [~doomlod@host86-166-19-243.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:15:48 -!- groovy2shoes [~cory@unaffiliated/groovebot] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 03:19:19 mrsolo [~mrsolo@c-50-148-169-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:21:34 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 03:21:43 -!- svs_ 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03:31:20 TITLE: total life forever, why is there only one space? 03:32:10 in all the other ones, there were enough spaces to start the string on the 10th column, as specified 03:32:51 jwhitecl [~AndChat49@cpe-66-68-155-200.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:34:09 -!- jwhitecl [~AndChat49@cpe-66-68-155-200.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 03:36:17 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@101.170.22.109] has joined #lisp 03:36:46 -!- DrForr [~jgoff@li165-209.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:36:51 normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 03:36:57 DrForr [~jgoff@li165-209.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 03:37:43 it seems to be an issue with emacs.... weird 03:38:04 Ah. 03:38:12 it works fine in console 03:38:36 it may explain why I get NIL returned on the same line as the previous output, instead of a new line 03:39:14 ianmcorvidae|alt [~ianmcorvi@musicbrainz/user/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 03:39:15 -!- ianmcorvidae 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In 23 years. 07:56:53 ok 07:56:54 only setq and occasionally setf. 07:57:06 jeppy: set is deprecated, in that you should use (setf (symbol-value ...) ...). you certainly shouldn't be making dynamic variables willy nilly. 07:57:09 well i am talking about setq, but ... 07:57:17 -!- fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Quit: fsvehla] 07:58:03 in your defuns, do you normally use let for a few "private" variables? 07:58:30 if you want to program imperatively, sure 07:58:42 i personally use PROG if i'm going to use them imperatively 07:58:46 -!- akovalenko [~user@95.72.45.239] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 07:59:17 fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 08:00:30 akovalenko [~user@95.72.45.239] has joined #lisp 08:00:35 -!- akovalenko [~user@95.72.45.239] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00:36 Would you normally use setq to store a couple boolean results and a number, for example? Would let be a better choice? Maybe I'm thinking of it imperatively without needing to... 08:00:43 paolo_m [~user@2-228-95-110.ip190.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 08:01:03 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:01:15 so wait, you're doing something like (defun foo () (setq a 6) (+ a 7))? 08:01:55 yes, but calling some other functions to get _a_ 08:01:57 huangjs [~huangjs@rrcs-184-75-35-50.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 08:02:09 you don't get any warnings? 08:02:40 well no, not as of now 08:02:53 i'll pastebin the code in a second 08:03:47 akovalenko [~user@95.72.45.239] has joined #lisp 08:04:24 i haven't been using setq in the functions because those variables are accessible afterwords, but i'll use it to complete this little function and paste it. 08:07:08 Keshi [~Keshi@unaffiliated/keshi] has joined #lisp 08:08:45 hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 08:08:45 -!- hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 08:08:45 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 08:08:52 i have found that always using setf over setq leads to more consitent code 08:08:57 jeppy: what is the problem with let? There is also let*. 08:09:11 setf turns into setq when appropriate, so ... 08:09:13 no problem 08:09:30 Zhivago: exactly 08:09:34 i am just starting and wondering about conventions 08:09:37 ehu [~ehu@31.138.97.52] has joined #lisp 08:09:45 searching wasn't giving the answe 08:09:47 r 08:09:49 jeppy: so what's the code? because i think you're doing something undefined 08:09:57 setf is a macro, right? 08:10:18 yes 08:10:30 which specializes as necessary or something 08:10:53 sh42 [3e28ae9d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.40.174.157] has joined #lisp 08:11:00 -!- sirdancealot1 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:12:41 faheem: yep.. 08:13:20 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@rrcs-184-75-35-50.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:13:22 zorkmoid: thanks 08:13:48 jeppy: Practical Common Lisp covers these sorts of usage issues quite well. You can find it online. 08:14:16 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 08:15:16 Let is introduced in Ch 6: variables. 08:15:38 benny [~user@i577A7522.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 08:15:54 Seibel is a good writer. Clear, correct and comprehensive. 08:16:20 ok yes I get lots of warnings 08:16:23 i'll just use let 08:16:27 or let* 08:16:48 -!- sh42 [3e28ae9d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.40.174.157] has quit [] 08:17:29 -!- surrounder [~surrounde@095-096-032-026.static.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:17:31 jeppy: globally you probably want to use setparameter 08:17:37 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 08:17:38 defparameter, sorry 08:17:39 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-75.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:18:05 i dont want global, i'm trying to keep the scope as small as necessary 08:18:30 surrounder [~surrounde@095-096-032-026.static.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 08:18:49 jeppy: not in the function, but you will want it in the repl. 08:19:39 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-75.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:20:07 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:21:08 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:21:17 PCL is a good book. 08:22:04 jeppy: so, to answer your style question, the setq-to-establish-bindings style is in fact not even valid. hope that helps! 08:22:05 it really shows lisp's powr 08:22:46 -!- toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:24:01 sirdancealot1 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 08:24:03 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-75.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:24:19 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:24:49 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 08:25:17 huangjs [~huangjs@rrcs-184-75-35-50.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 08:25:53 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-75.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:26:19 i sill remeber when setf was introduced ... hehehe 08:27:11 was such a weird syntax .. 08:27:47 -!- attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@95.56.70.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:31:26 what does setf stand for? 08:31:40 i always think of it as "SET by Force" 08:32:03 and setq is "SET the Quoted symbol" 08:32:44 gendl: field 08:32:47 i think i've seen that asked a few times and i've never seen the answer 08:32:58 set field actually.. 08:33:14 i don't get it. 08:33:27 what is "field" supposed to mean 08:34:00 it must mean something like "place," right? 08:34:42 gendl: do you know what a field in a sturcture or object is_ 08:34:43 something like struct accessors, probably. 08:34:55 https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!msg/comp.lang.lisp/1OERjYfSKqc/keoNb0gdKjoJ 08:35:09 has an explanation from pitman on set/setq/setf ... 08:35:58 guess that explains that! 08:38:11 -!- mrdtt [~mrdtt@171.245.151.163] has quit [Quit: mrdtt] 08:38:15 yep. 08:39:50 doomlord [~doomlod@host86-166-19-243.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 08:41:19 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-189-147.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 08:41:30 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-75.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:42:11 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.191.151] has joined #lisp 08:42:11 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.191.151] has quit [Changing host] 08:42:11 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 08:42:34 ah, the days of writting (SET' var val) hehe ... 08:43:17 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-75.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:43:23 -!- spacefrogg^ is now known as spacefrogg 08:43:41 what if i want to return a string without quotes? The best I've come up with is (format t "~A" "some string"), but it returns nil. Changing to (format nil "~A" "some string") returns the string including the quotes. 08:43:50 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:44:19 jeppy: the quotes aren't in the string 08:44:33 your repl just prints the quotes to distinguish the string from other structures 08:44:33 jeppy: what quotes? no quotes in that string .. 08:44:55 ok true. 08:45:28 if you want to print a string without quotes, try princ. 08:45:55 agumonkey [~agu@177.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 08:45:56 Bike: or format .. 08:45:57 Ok, i'll do that 08:46:43 jeppy: what do you want to do? 08:46:50 i came across people using (values) to prevent a nil return... i'm sure it's a hack, but what is (values)? 08:47:01 zero values. 08:47:21 it's NIL if you actually use it somewhere, but sometimes prints as "; No value" or so on the repl. 08:48:07 i see, thanks :) 08:48:32 segv- [~mb@dslb-092-078-122-015.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 08:49:36 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-75.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:49:37 zorkmoid, i'm just trying to get my output the way the professor is showing it -- without quotes, but it may not be necessary to get rid of them 08:49:53 jeppy: oh, so output, use format for that then ... 08:50:10 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 08:50:17 (format t ...) (values) 08:50:20 jeppy: (format stream "~a" yourstring) also works 08:50:34 i'll try that 08:50:52 Seibel worked quite hard writing that book, I think. And it shows 08:51:00 zorkmoid: i didn't mention format because it's pretty complicated, and that'll just expand to princ anyway in all likelihood. 08:51:02 (write-string yourstring)? 08:51:12 Bike: well, jeppy already knows about it. 08:51:13 (write-line string)? 08:51:22 or just format. 08:51:34 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-75.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:52:18 hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 08:52:18 -!- hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 08:52:18 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 08:52:51 ehu` [~ehu@109.34.221.18] has joined #lisp 08:54:34 -!- ehu [~ehu@31.138.97.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:56:26 arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-gdmhjdsyfdaybpno] has joined #lisp 08:57:14 ilyfa_ [~user@w-113.cust-13410.ip.static.uno.uk.net] has joined #lisp 08:57:54 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:57:59 hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 09:00:04 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I've been trying using a port of allegro's post-office which I found on github in SBCL, but it seems make-ssl-client-stream isn't defined in acl-compat 10:06:27 there is mel-base which i think is more portable 10:06:40 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 10:07:17 Summon [~Summon@gw2.sibers.com] has joined #lisp 10:07:22 H4ns: Thanks, I'll take a look. Last I looked it didn't look like it supported SSL, but I may have been mistaken 10:07:40 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.191.151] has joined #lisp 10:07:40 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.191.151] has quit [Changing host] 10:07:40 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 10:07:42 possible, i have not used it. 10:08:13 -!- attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@92.47.191.151] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:08:14 you may also be able to fix post-office by making it use cl+ssl for make-ssl-client-stream. it should not be too hard, really 10:08:26 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.169] has joined #lisp 10:08:36 SSL might be a seperate issue/library 10:10:01 -!- hkBst__ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:10:45 bitonic [~user@b0fcec0a.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 10:12:31 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-75.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:13:12 Joreji [~thomas@84-182.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 10:14:24 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-75.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:14:38 Joreji_ [~thomas@84-182.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 10:14:43 doomlord__ [~doomlod@host86-171-15-248.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 10:16:16 OK, thanks -- I'll look into that. I'm new to the sort of CL ecosystem so I've just been trying different packages available in quicklisp, but in the case of post-office the QL version was a bit outdated, so I downloaded the sources from github. That should make it easy enough to try and get it to use a different ssl library, I guess 10:16:50 -!- doomlord [~doomlod@host86-166-19-243.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:17:10 -!- Keshi [~Keshi@unaffiliated/keshi] has quit [Quit: Zzz.] 10:17:28 (probably acl-compat in quicklisp is also outdated, and that's why the up-to-date post-office didn't work with it, but I couldn't see an equivalent acl-compat to go with the post-office I downloaded) 10:19:18 Thra11 [~thrall@155.50.113.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 10:20:21 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@rrcs-184-75-35-50.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:20:40 -!- Joreji [~thomas@84-182.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:21:42 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@84-182.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:23:49 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-75.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:23:55 morphling 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What technology are you using, if you are allowed to say? 15:25:41 By integration tests, I should clarify I mean driving the browser to interact with the server. 15:25:55 urandom__ [~user@ip-88-152-213-71.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 15:25:55 ApeShot: ah, no, i'm not doing that. 15:26:00 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-228-033.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 15:26:15 -!- Demosthenex [~Demosthen@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:26:20 ApeShot: i'm just doing integration testing for batch and background jobs, no ui testing. 15:26:31 ApeShot: https://github.com/antifuchs/clucumber 15:27:50 H4ns: at this very moment I am struggling to make Franz's Java integratio system talk to Webdriver and I am getting silent, error-free failures 15:28:04 awesome 15:28:04 When executing code which should be identical to the Java code, which I can make work. 15:28:26 Thra11_ [~thrall@46.208.144.149] has joined #lisp 15:28:31 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 15:28:41 cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.25.200] has joined #lisp 15:28:49 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 15:28:55 i'd contact franz support if i'd be on that path :) 15:28:56 I believe it has something to do with Interfaces, which the Franz documentation never mentionds, and which form the offending methods type signature. 15:29:06 wicked_shell [~wicked_sh@gateway/tor-sasl/wickedshell/x-12495307] has joined #lisp 15:29:18 You are right. That means writing up a simple failing test case, which is just more sunk costs. 15:29:22 Best get to it 15:29:27 impomatic [~digital_w@148.54.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 15:30:29 -!- Thra11 [~thrall@155.50.113.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:30:40 right. if there is a reason to choose allegro over something else, it is that you can make them work for you :) 15:31:40 Joreji [~thomas@87-188.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 15:32:11 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:33:07 -!- francisl_ [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has quit [Quit: francisl_] 15:33:25 francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has joined #lisp 15:33:55 -!- linse [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1177917310.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 15:36:42 ApeShot: franz has java integration? Link if I may ask? 15:38:14 mathrick: http://www.franz.com/support/documentation/9.0/doc/jlinker.htm 15:38:25 Kenjin [~kenjin@bl20-202-119.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 15:38:37 thanks 15:41:17 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 15:44:00 -!- cnl [~pony@bitdiddle.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:44:18 dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:44:24 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:44:41 cnl [~pony@bitdiddle.net] has joined #lisp 15:46:58 Demosthenex [~Demosthen@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 15:49:25 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:50:02 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:51:32 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.169] has joined #lisp 15:53:10 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit 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as enum. 16:18:20 I *think* what you want is (dir-type consts), but it's been a long time since I used CFFI. 16:18:38 KelebekUsr1 [~KELEBEK@88.242.78.55] has joined #lisp 16:18:47 -!- Cymew [~user@fw01d.snowmen.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:19:04 leoncamel [~leoncamel@124.126.213.87] has joined #lisp 16:19:26 sykopomp: they both have the base type of :unsigned-int, shouldn't it just convert? 16:19:54 nan_: CFFI doesn't know how to convert the keyword if you just define it as :unsigned-int 16:20:02 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20:33 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:20:59 add^_ [~add^_@m83-190-167-197.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 16:21:19 Demosthenex [~Demosthen@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 16:23:10 -!- KelebekUsr1 [~KELEBEK@88.242.78.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:24:29 -!- cpape [~user@cpape.eu] has quit [Quit: ERC 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reloaded then? 17:48:42 _d3f [~freedo@46.183.216.234] has joined #lisp 17:50:05 in slime repl after you call a function (loop), how do you get back to repl? in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsQZ20ZnnNA he does it but no idea what function/key he uses 17:50:13 nan_: C-c C-c 17:50:17 C-c C-c 17:50:25 <3 both 17:50:30 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:50:32 C-c C-c 17:50:36 -!- Joreji [~thomas@87-188.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:50:38 gimme <3 17:50:39 Joreji_ [~thomas@87-188.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 17:50:47 -!- scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:51:00 gotta be faster than that to get a less-than-three 17:51:10 -!- bitonic [~user@b0fcec0a.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:51:12 *akovalenko* was very proud when C-c C-c started to work on windows+sbcl+slime :) 17:51:13 breakds [~breakds@wifi-116.cs.wisc.edu] has joined #lisp 17:51:17 zolk3ri1: here it is, <3 17:51:27 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:51:29 thank you :p 17:51:53 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:52:39 -!- pnpuff [~dioxyrane@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 17:54:13 bitonic [~user@b0fcec0a.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 17:58:07 androclus [~Jeff@sporkula.ss.uci.edu] has joined #lisp 18:00:18 hmms i am getting "Interrupt from Emacs" error with that, this function was a foreign function btw 18:00:57 it's not a good idea to interrupt foreign functions 18:01:19 racist 18:01:20 and what did you expect but an "interrupt from emacs"? 18:02:04 i expected it to run on backround and give me tthe repl :) 18:03:05 then your expectation was way off 18:03:43 slime agrees with you 18:05:10 slime is very biased toward agreement with stassats` because one of them commits a lot of code into the other. 18:05:18 -!- ykm [~ykm@124.155.255.239] has quit 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(defvar *my-uncomputable-number* 'the-smallest-number-that-cannot-be-computed-by-a-lisp-program) 21:18:26 pdts [~user@66-194-114-178.static.twtelecom.net] has joined #lisp 21:18:29 `(+ 1 ,*my-uncomputable-number*) 21:19:12 Fare [~fare@216.239.55.82] has joined #lisp 21:24:22 -!- jsfb [~jon@unaffiliated/jsfb] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:25:00 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:25:06 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d011636.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:25:16 pjb: how would you choose to represent the lisp code #+foo(bar), and are there any facilities to transform your chosen representation into a string that will read and eval like that? 21:25:34 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:26:09 (hash-plus 'foo '(bar)) ? then write your own function to write it :[ 21:26:59 Qworkescence: yeah, that's what I was thinking 21:27:00 SrPx [~SrPx@187-126-69-135.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #lisp 21:27:40 Fare: what's up with .build-report? 21:27:46 Qworkescence: :foo, surely ;) 21:28:00 yes :) 21:28:10 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 21:29:12 jasom, i've been wondering lately if S-expressions are just a messy way to represent data, and while a bit more tedious, it's more correct to actually represent things as (typed) objects. I guess it's the difference between a program S-expression and an AST. 21:29:15 -!- SrPx [~SrPx@187-126-69-135.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:29:57 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:32:22 jasom: I would define a class for reader macros. (make-instance 'sharp-plus :feature-expression 'foo :form '(bar)) 21:33:17 jasom: or perhaps even: (make-instance 'sharp-plus :feature-expression (make-instance 'reader-symbol :read-name "foo") :form (make-instance 'left-paren :content (list (make-instance 'reader-symbol :read-name "bar")))) 21:33:48 if you want to deal with the capitalization of the symbols as read, and the other reader macros such as #\(. 21:34:39 Plus, you could have additionnal slots such as :start start-position :end end-position :source-file load-pathname, etc. 21:35:13 Using instances of specific classes would have the following advantages: 21:35:27 1- you can easily write different methods to walk the tree. 21:35:41 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.128.207] has joined #lisp 21:36:16 2- there would be less risk of confusing the syntax with a sexp read: what if you read (hash-plus 'foo '(bar)) ? 21:36:29 (and notice that what's read after #+ is not foo, but :foo, if not qualified. 21:37:09 (make-instance 'reader-symbol :read-package (find-package "KEYWORD") :read-name "foo") vs. (make-instance 'reader-symbol :read-package *package* :read-name "bar") 21:37:32 (this is what i meant by whether it's better to use typed objects or sexps) 21:37:35 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:38:01 Right. Sexps are still useful, for I/O. 21:38:22 You can easily define a couple of macros to interpret sexps and build the object trees. 21:38:49 And vice versa, to print an object tree you can define a to-sexp generic function. 21:39:09 Qworkescence: that's what I do when I have non-trivial processing to perform, even though I have pattern matching macros (scheme and CL). 21:40:10 pjb: how would you encode #1=(x y . #1#) ? 21:40:39 -!- dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: focus] 21:40:47 what about user-defined reader-macros? 21:41:07 stassats`, is anything up with it? 21:41:19 Fare: well, i have my disk littered with it 21:41:29 the way .sbcl-warnings did 21:41:34 -!- nan_ [~user@178.233.216.230] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:16 stassats`, I'll disable it when your *warnings-file-type* is nil. 21:42:19 Thanks for the bug report. 21:42:39 well, the main point that it's besides the source files 21:42:41 and add ABL compatibility support for it 21:42:46 ok 21:42:57 thanks for the bug report. :) 21:44:16 Keshi [~Keshi@unaffiliated/keshi] has joined #lisp 21:44:21 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has quit [] 21:47:32 -!- breakds [~breakds@wifi-116.cs.wisc.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:48:38 breakds [~breakds@wifi-116.cs.wisc.edu] has joined #lisp 21:49:36 bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:53:55 jeppy` [~shh@72.240.251.70] has joined #lisp 21:54:25 zolk3ri [~Zol1ka@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has joined #lisp 21:54:37 -!- jeppy [~shh@72.240.251.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:55:47 -!- prip [~foo@host126-122-dynamic.53-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:57:31 Blkt [~user@82.84.175.154] has joined #lisp 21:58:27 -!- Fare [~fare@216.239.55.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:58:57 Thra11 [~thrall@146.90.208.216] has joined #lisp 22:01:09 -!- ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:01:22 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-75.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:01:36 -!- Thra11_ [~thrall@46.208.144.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:01:39 brandonz [~brandon@74-95-6-5-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 22:02:44 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:03:46 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Quit: rpg] 22:04:02 mstevens [~mstevens@81.2.103.21] has joined #lisp 22:04:02 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@81.2.103.21] has quit [Changing host] 22:04:02 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 22:05:26 -!- sh42 [~sh42@91-115-46-110.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:07:12 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:08:16 bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:10:42 So, C still doesn't have real closures: ast.c:1691:36: error: cannot refer to declaration with an array type inside block. Bouahaha! 22:11:43 pjb: that's probably because you can't pass arrays to functions in C 22:12:05 or rather you can't have a function that takes an array as an argument 22:12:19 you can pass arrays, they just get implicitly converted to pointers 22:13:28 -!- ahungry [~null@66.184.106.97] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:15:25 jasom: or more probably, because they need to _copy_ the enclosed values. There's a block_copy operator for escaping blocks 22:15:43 -!- Guest79859 [green@nat/redhat/x-dfvyfkznlzbqpuka] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:16:01 And blocks can't be passed as parameters of type function: you need to define explicitely functions taking blocks! 22:16:04 -!- hydan [~udzinari@ip-89-102-13-27.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:16:06 It's really awfull. 22:16:20 I was afraid lisp could lose its advance, but far from it. 22:16:20 pjb: what "C" are you talking about? 22:16:40 foom: blocks are an extension to C implemented by Apple. gcc, clang, etc. 22:16:47 Fare [~fare@216.239.55.82] has joined #lisp 22:16:58 pjb: how about upward funargs? 22:17:02 Of course, they're also standardized in C++. 22:17:22 -!- fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Quit: fsvehla] 22:17:26 No, just apple, and clang, cause apple controls it. 22:17:34 gcc too. 22:17:46 hydan [~udzinari@ip-89-102-13-27.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 22:17:49 says the wikipedia page :-) 22:17:55 Nope. 22:18:13 Blocks are available in GCC and Clang as shipped with the OS X v10.6 Xcode developer tools. 22:18:27 Since they distributed such a gcc, they must have back contributed the patch. 22:18:53 Okay, if you want to say that any branch of project X including feature Y means project X supports Y... 22:18:56 Anyways, it's as bad as Python. 22:19:35 Well, I don't know if it's not widely accepted. I heard C++ had lambdas, so perhaps C gets them too? 22:19:45 It's not widely accepted. 22:20:23 C++11 lambdas are pretty nice, maybe they'd make it into C at some point...But why? 22:21:07 I really don't understand the people making all these crazy additions to C recently. 22:21:22 foom: the multithreaded stuff in c11 makes sense 22:21:33 foom: what's crazy ? 22:21:58 Well, type dispatch for one. 22:23:10 foom: of course, they should just use Common Lisp. 22:23:39 Argh, and it needs a NSConcreteStackBlock class 22:24:32 Guo [~user@ip-88-152-213-71.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 22:25:23 -!- Guo [~user@ip-88-152-213-71.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Client Quit] 22:25:54 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:26:33 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:27:54 AeroNotix [~xeno@abny103.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 22:28:26 SrPx [~SrPx@177.205.169.238.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 22:28:31 foom: what type dispatch ? 22:28:53 jsfb [~jon@unaffiliated/jsfb] has joined #lisp 22:29:16 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C11_(C_standard_revision) 22:29:26 "Type-generic expressions using the _Generic keyword" 22:30:27 -!- Joreji [~thomas@87-188.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:30:33 interesting 22:30:37 very nice IMO 22:30:48 They were kind of forced into implementing that, anyways, because C99 had already specified the tgmath.h header, which was actually impossible to implement in C99. 22:31:32 It specified functions that had type dispatch behavior, without there actually being a way to implement that in C. :) 22:32:15 IMO if you want function overloads, you should just use a C++ compiler. 22:32:57 (and more "fun" with "logical" pathnames) 22:33:06 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.128.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:33:20 foom: what if I want a light overloading without the classes and with faster compilation times ? 22:33:21 :) 22:33:48 Why didn't I just say "F U" to the ASDF users who misguidedly use logical-pathnames? 22:35:36 OK, now, could anyone with a working quicklisp'd Babel tell me the version they have? 22:35:46 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 22:36:15 I have babel-20121125-git, which should be the latest one packaged by QL, and it still errors out with #:~A-CODE-POINT-COUNTER fell through ETYPECASE expression 22:37:01 mathrick: do you have the latest alexandria? 22:37:22 mathrick: find / -name alexandria.asd 22:37:25 jasom: I believe so, is it not pulled in by QL as well? 22:37:25 freiksenet: log4cl is not abandoned, I'm the author.. If you have any problems with it, make an github issue, and I'll fix it. New version coming soon with much slime integration, emacs menus to configure logger hierarchy, and more fancy stuff 22:38:06 mathrick: you may have a local package overriding it 22:38:06 fe[nl]ix: running 22:38:06 the only thing holding it up is actually writing documentation, as usual 22:38:17 yeah, but I have no .sbcl that I could find 22:38:26 /home/mathrick/Dev/teepeedee2.git/addons/alexandria/alexandria.asd 22:38:29 oh I understand now 22:38:34 that explains a lot 22:38:41 and /home/mathrick/quicklisp/dists/quicklisp/software/teepeedee2-20120909-git/addons/alexandria/alexandria.asd 22:38:57 it's packaging its own alexandria 22:39:09 not good 22:39:27 I 22:39:40 I'm surprised Xach didn't catch that 22:41:07 Joreji [~thomas@87-188.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 22:42:09 so removing that dir makes it work, but I don't understand why/how it's overriding these 22:42:10 -!- brandonz [~brandon@74-95-6-5-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: bbl] 22:42:16 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:42:45 (ql:quickload :alexandria) before (ql:quickload :teepeedee2) didn't help either 22:44:19 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@2.81.202.119] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:44:43 does teepeedee2 specifiy a version in its asdf file? 22:44:59 no, it does something worse 22:45:02 sec 22:45:22 teepeedee2 guy works in the same building as i do, maybe i should tell him to fix it. 22:45:32 Kenjin [~kenjin@2.81.202.119] has joined #lisp 22:45:41 -!- kruhft [~user@69.90.114.176] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46:31 -!- newblue [~newblue@119.121.250.161] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:46:45 http://paste.lisp.org/+2W6U 22:46:49 Qworkescence: at the same company ? 22:46:58 the first snippet caused my cl-fad failures 22:47:08 the second caused the other ones 22:47:33 fe[nl]ix, as far as i know yes 22:47:38 Qworkescence: that'd be appreciated, in fact just requiring specific versions if necessary would be best 22:47:49 those are hacks which make it way harder to use the .asd 22:48:09 Qworkescence: could you also find out if he IRCs? 22:48:16 yeah 22:48:19 mau [~mau@69.85.85.150] has joined #lisp 22:48:25 thanks 22:48:39 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:49:25 we have quicklisp now, so anything that isn't your own code doesn't make sense to include 22:50:02 mathrick: you might include a specific version so that non bug-compaitible updates don't break your project 22:50:08 unless, of course, you modify the library, which I've had to do a number of times, thereby packaging my own version (which also ends up being a pain because you need to change around ASDF names and package names) 22:50:33 mathrick, okay, I sent a message 22:50:38 Qworkescence, can't you maintain your git repo of the differences instead? 22:50:50 jasom: that's properly done by requiring a version 22:51:03 *Fare* recommends asdf-driver over cl-fad 22:51:14 -!- rdqfdx [~rdqfdx@78.90.88.244] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51:36 Fare, I don't see how that fixes quicklisp interoperability 22:51:41 kjbrock_ [~kjbrock@63.110.51.11] has joined #lisp 22:51:54 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 22:52:00 Qworkescence, for that, you push your changes upstream. 22:52:05 mathrick: yes, you requrie a version, but including the specific version in your source-tree makes sense 22:52:07 and meanwhile keep using your fork. 22:52:29 Fare: link to someplace explaining asdf-driver please? 22:52:30 Another solution I've used in the past is layer your changes as a file that overrides definitions. 22:52:34 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:52:46 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.99.220] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:52:50 Fare, I think that workflow is problematic really, especially for projects which take 6 months to merge changes (*cough* alexandria) 22:52:53 Fare: that means that nobody can use Qworkescence's code without the fork though, which loses all the quicklisp goodness 22:53:20 mathrick, so far only http://www.cliki.net/asdf -- I've been too busy doing the coding to write any docs besides extensive docstrings. 22:53:39 Then, a layer of redefinition often works. 22:53:42 prip [~foo@95.233.154.87] has joined #lisp 22:53:49 ooh, ASDF3? When did that happen? 22:53:55 Before I started maintaining ASDF, I had a directory full of ASDF overrides. 22:54:08 Back when I was using Cliki, I also had plenty of overrides. 22:54:19 mathrick, it's still not officially released. 22:55:17 Fare: so driver is what exactly, "everything you might want to do in an .asd at runtime that isn't the declarative part of DEFSYSTEM"? 22:55:24 tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:56:23 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:56:53 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:57:17 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:57:29 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:58:17 -!- agumonkey [~agu@177.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:59:08 -!- Fare [~fare@216.239.55.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:59:18 Qworkescence: in most cases changing package is a 10-second sed 22:59:34 hi fe[nl]ix 22:59:38 ave Blkt 22:59:43 fe[nl]ix, yes, it is by no means difficult 23:00:09 But it does make for ugly diffs when changes are finally upstream and you un-sed it back 23:00:47 Qworkescence: you only need to use a proper diff generator 23:00:58 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-228-033.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:01:04 not diff -r 23:01:41 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:01:49 fe[nl]ix: what's proper then? 23:02:02 huh? i'm just saying that the diffs have all those package name changes at one point, and swathes of code added (your own version or patches of the library), and then once it's fixed, swathes of code are removed, and packages are changed again 23:02:10 I just don't think that's a very pretty way of doing things. 23:02:16 ediff or meld 23:02:27 to compare two directories 23:02:31 magit 23:02:41 eh, I'd rather use a VCS 23:03:16 (by diffs, i do mean the things you're sending/pushing/committing to your VCS) 23:03:30 yes 23:03:50 ediff can take two directories and generate a patch 23:04:56 it'll still have those changes in it, so I don't see how it's helping anything 23:05:38 you can pick individual changes to include in the patch 23:06:26 who is in charge of paste.lisp ? 23:06:31 .org* 23:06:54 (not the domain, the actual code behind it) 23:07:03 fe[nl]ix: eww, no, submit a pull request 23:07:28 carlo5m [~carlo5m@209.49.100.67] has joined #lisp 23:07:28 sending actuall *.diff is the '90s way of doing things 23:07:31 and it's wrong 23:07:33 mathrick: sometimes you work better with an actual patch file 23:08:08 and it nicely destroys the repo compatibility 23:08:17 -!- Keshi [~Keshi@unaffiliated/keshi] has quit [Quit: Zzz...] 23:08:20 it's alright to include a prepared summary in an email or something 23:08:40 but exchange of patches should be done at the push/pull/merge level 23:08:40 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abny103.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 23:09:50 mathrick: that's usually more convenient, but not always :) 23:09:50 I tend to agree but a lot of people still use SVN :) 23:10:00 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7571b7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:10:07 it's a sad fact, but a fact none the less. 23:10:19 I still encounter some CVS in places 23:10:21 *shudder* 23:10:27 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:13:18 -!- segv- [~mb@dslb-092-078-122-015.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: segv-] 23:16:06 Fare [~fare@216.239.55.82] has joined #lisp 23:17:19 -!- stopbit [~stopbit@static-108-48-124-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:19:27 -!- ngz [~user@254.83.199.77.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19:38 -!- kjbrock_ [~kjbrock@63.110.51.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19:57 leoncamel [~leoncamel@124.126.213.87] has joined #lisp 23:21:16 Keshi [~Keshi@unaffiliated/keshi] has joined #lisp 23:21:20 akovalen` [~user@95.73.50.220] has joined #lisp 23:22:23 -!- mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:22:39 francisl_ [~flavoie@199.84.162.167] has joined #lisp 23:23:15 -!- akovalenko [~user@95.72.45.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:25:54 -!- francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:27:04 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:27:16 -!- francisl_ [~flavoie@199.84.162.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:27:58 -!- Dalek_Baldwin1 [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:28:31 elkng [~elkng@unaffiliated/elkng] has joined #lisp 23:28:39 that channel about common lisp ? 23:28:46 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:28:52 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 23:29:29 -!- carlo5m [~carlo5m@209.49.100.67] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:30:42 yup 23:30:43 mostly 23:31:12 though other lisps are welcome too, if not more on-topic on another channel. 23:31:37 i.e. #emacs #scheme #clojure #racket 23:31:45 http://code.google.com/p/lispbuilder/wiki/LispbuilderSDL have anyone tryed it ? 23:31:52 yes 23:32:07 on windows and linux 23:32:44 is it support all SDL features as C version ? 23:35:01 -!- JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-211-4.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:35:38 JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-211-4.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 23:36:03 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:36:54 elkng, that I don't know 23:37:43 elkng: folks over at #lispgames might know more about graphics libraries 23:38:40 hydan: Oh very cool! 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