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Silly dict. 01:33:12 Hey, I wasn't the one who started anthropomorphicizing it. 01:33:17 Probably spelled that one wrong too. 01:34:08 (Hm, I have foldoc and gcide. Maybe the interface needs to search for similar words more aggressively.) 01:34:20 myx [~myx@pppoe-88-147-250-29.san.ru] has joined #lisp 01:35:04 quazimodo [~quazimodo@d110-33-12-117.bla800.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 01:35:05 LiamH [~none@96.231.218.61] has joined #lisp 01:35:26 Alright, wikipedia says "s, not z". 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[~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/thomash] has left #lisp 03:25:48 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 03:26:07 Posterdati [~antani@host201-213-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 03:31:12 Tau [~Euler@186.194.52.228] has joined #lisp 03:31:42 i heard some codes in lisp get faster than when written in c. 03:31:49 why would you explain that? 03:31:55 i mean, how would you explain that? 03:32:05 and why could it be possible? 03:32:18 omouse [~user@24-246-63-243.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 03:36:08 hey sykopomp (: 03:36:11 sure, go ahead 03:37:21 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:38:21 mrout [miles.rout@unaffiliated/mrout] has joined #lisp 03:38:47 What are you favourite features of the lisp family of languages? 03:39:38 interactive development is the main thing for me, followed by flexibility from their extension capabilities 03:39:48 and I guess also the spirit of being -able- to do it. :) 03:40:31 sykopomp: by interactive development you mean REPL? 03:40:40 it's more than the repl. 03:40:42 and extension capability you mean macros? 03:41:01 it's more than macros 03:41:08 but in essence, yes. 03:41:14 -!- redscare [~Adium@CP-FIFTY-TWO.MIT.EDU] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:41:24 -!- ck___ [~kc@dslb-188-107-044-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:41:44 -!- Tau [~Euler@186.194.52.228] has left #lisp 03:41:48 in what way is it more than REPL and macros? what else contributes? 03:41:55 segmond__ [~segmond@adsl-108-67-101-75.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:42:01 I spend less time at the repl than I do using C-c C-c, though, and having a repl doesn't necessarily mean you can keep a program running for days/weeks before actually having to restart. Python has a repl, but doesn't have that great module reloading copabilities. 03:42:22 even if you have a repl, there's things you might not be able to change, or at least not do so comfortably 03:42:33 I see. Thanks :) 03:42:59 I also enjoy eating toenail clippings for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. 03:43:02 but maybe that's just me 03:43:26 it's really fun to have a language that's like play-doh in your hands :) 03:45:45 -!- segmond_ [~segmond@adsl-99-110-97-99.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 257 seconds] 03:46:53 mrout more than just a repl. for example when programming opengl you can recompile rendering function without ever stopping the renderer or closing the window, and see the effect it had live 03:47:56 that's awesome 03:49:36 from what I can tell, lisp is basically a fancy AST-builder 03:50:06 That's clearly wrong. 03:50:07 mrout: and FYI C-c C-c is the slime command for "Recompile just this function" so you can tweak a function and with one command see its effects. There is no technical reason why other dynamic languages couldn't have something like that, but they don't seem to do it. 03:50:23 What does an AST-builder do with (+ a b)? 03:50:26 well the syntax is basically an abstract syntax tree. 03:50:32 it's not a bad thing 03:50:45 No. The syntax isn't an abstract syntax tree. 03:50:51 What does (a b c) mean? 03:51:01 yeah, the syntax seems very similar to a large tree structure. 03:51:43 What does that have to do with ASTs? 03:52:10 well I can't imagine the AST for a lisp program being too different from the lisp program itself. that's all I'm trying to say 03:52:12 Besides which it resembles forms that are lists of atoms or forms. 03:52:20 Zhivago: http://paste.lisp.org/submit 03:52:22 Your imagination needs work -- what does (a b c) mean? 03:52:33 jason: An excellent url. 03:52:36 Zhivago: you're being very confrontational. 03:52:40 galactic_pretty_ [~aaa@210.183.111.37] has joined #lisp 03:52:43 as usual 03:52:48 k 03:52:58 http://paste.lisp.org/display/134828 03:53:00 zhivago? 03:53:08 austrailian? 03:53:11 Zhivago: thanks! 03:53:13 I came in here to find out a bit about what people like about lisp, to get a feel for the language. I made an observation. No need to get excited. 03:53:51 mrout: that sort of stuff happens here every now and then. Usually, it's someone trying to make an interesting point. They might come off as jerks sometimes, but it might be worth playing along and see where it goes. 03:54:50 mrout: Why are you getting defensive about your observations being wrong? 03:54:59 It's not wrong. 03:55:00 mrout: I suggest thinking about what (a b c) means. 03:55:07 It is completely and utterly wrong. 03:55:12 it's an observation. 03:55:19 It is an incorrect observation. 03:55:23 observations can't be wrong. just like opinions can't be wrong. 03:55:25 Alex3012 [~chatzilla@ool-1892c5c5.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 03:55:41 -!- kofno [~kofno@64.197.96.194] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:55:41 lol 03:55:52 zhivago daum???? 03:55:52 mrout: what sort of languages are you used to? What brought up your interest? 03:56:25 Observations can easily be wrong. 03:56:34 For example the observation that 4 is not 4. 03:56:41 sykopomp: well I've looked at Haskell a bit lately, but I've heard a lot about lisp, so I thought I'd come and see what was so great about it. The whole macros/recompiling at runtime thing is interesting. 03:57:07 Zhivago: (eq 4 4.0) 03:57:07 Zhivago: what if you're writing old FORTRAN programs? I think that was the language where you could redefine numbers. 03:57:16 :P 03:57:27 jasom: Why are you using eq incorrectly? 03:57:56 Zhivago: Why are you using @ incorrectly? (remember you're not meant to have it on display on freenode) 03:58:19 mrout: Your memory is defective. 03:58:38 -!- Zhivago has set mode -o Zhivago 03:58:45 Zhivago: eq returns true if its areguments are the same identical object 03:59:30 jasom: eq isn't well defined for numbers -- you need eql. 03:59:48 it's well defined, the answer is NIL 03:59:53 (eq 4 4), now that's undefined 03:59:57 mrout: you might like to pick up a book and actually get a feel for how writing CL feels. It tends to help a bit more than sitting in IRC and reading what Zhivago writes. 03:59:59 kofno [~kofno@64.197.96.194] has joined #lisp 04:00:06 Zhivago: (eq 4 4.0) is defined to be false 04:00:18 lesser [~lesser@95.168.117.52] has joined #lisp 04:00:31 jasom: In any case, it's not a sensible applicable of eq. 04:00:47 Zhivago: it's an observation that 4 is not 4 04:00:54 for some definitions of "is not" 04:01:05 mrout: Of course observations nad opinions can be wrong. Otherwise, what's the point of them? 04:01:13 No. It is an observation that a particular 4 is not a particular 4.0. 04:01:43 Y_ [~ymirr@188.115.37.196] has joined #lisp 04:02:07 -!- Y_ is now known as Guest52331 04:02:22 hello. seems to be few ways to get slime up and running in emacs. which one is usually recommended? 04:02:33 lesser: use quicklisp 04:02:54 sykopomp: I am using ccl 04:03:03 lesser: http://www.quicklisp.org/beta/ 04:03:12 quicklisp works in ccl, happily. 04:03:39 ah I see. thanks 04:03:44 use that. it's for software distribution. Once you install it, you can do (ql:quickload 'quicklisp-slime-helper) 04:03:45 -!- Ymir [~ymirr@188.115.11.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:03:54 -!- Guest52331 is now known as Ymir 04:03:57 and that'll install a reasonable, working slime for you and help you with configuration 04:04:19 -!- benny [~user@i577A73C7.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:10:54 and intro book, is on lisp ok? 04:11:35 or practical common lisp? 04:12:10 -!- Bike [~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:12:11 lesser: PCL seems to be the most commonly recommended one around here 04:13:09 Land of Lisp is kind of fun. 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I'd just like to see that being in quicklisp. 07:37:13 does anyone know offhand whether hunchentoot:raw-post-data returns nil or "" if there's no request body? 07:37:41 "" would be a strange choice 07:41:00 hiteki` [~user@2a01:e35:2ed9:5530:211:24ff:febf:9313] has joined #lisp 07:41:05 easye` [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 07:41:14 -!- Demosthenex [~Demosthen@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:41:41 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 07:42:02 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:42:23 turbolen1 [~bastian@turbolent.com] has joined #lisp 07:42:55 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 07:43:07 capisce_ [~srodal@cm-84.215.35.251.getinternet.no] has joined #lisp 07:43:11 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:43:11 -!- hiteki [~user@2a01:e35:2ed9:5530:211:24ff:febf:9313] has quit [Read error: 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[~duko@cpe-76-174-26-24.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 10:00:43 does asdf load packages in the order that they are given in a :depends-on list in an asdf file? 10:01:11 Yay! I just used nreconc (in elisp code). 10:01:46 duko__: even if it did, i'd not depend on it 10:02:08 ogamita: is that special? 10:02:22 duko__: i.e. if two dependencies depend on each other, the dependency should be listed in _their_ system definition and not be expressed in a :depends-on of a depending system. 10:03:12 I'd like load cl-postgres+local-time before postmodern... so now I need to update a postmodern source file? 10:03:17 I see. 10:03:41 H4ns: thank you 10:03:52 let me see how i do that. 10:03:54 zorkmoid: it's one of the little used functions. 10:04:10 ogamita: mm.. i use it often enough 10:04:12 So yes, it's special. Not rarest one, but still worth noting :-) 10:04:52 spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has joined #lisp 10:04:56 Now that we have easily accessible lisp code thru quicklisp, we should redo some statistics. 10:04:57 -!- Gooder [~user@218.69.12.194] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 10:05:06 duko__: it seems that i'm not following my own advice in this matter. i have the dependency on cl-postgres+local-time listed before postmodern in my .asd files, too, and it works 10:05:11 duko__: smells bad, though :( 10:05:33 H4ns: thanks for finding that for me 10:06:46 ogamita: ah, you look through public stuff... i've got quite alot of code that uses nreconc 10:07:42 ogamita: do you have a pretty graph over used functions? 10:08:24 -!- myx_ [~myx@PPPoE-78-29-112-12.san.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:11:30 zorkmoid: nothing handy. IIRC we did some informal statistics a few years ago. 10:12:02 pitty, would be fun 10:12:19 If you have a couple of hours, that would make a nice blog entry :-) 10:14:20 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@dhcp-218-16-wifi.yandex.net] has joined #lisp 10:16:22 who me? 10:16:32 jtza8_ [~jtza8@105.237.38.180] has joined #lisp 10:17:00 -!- guther [guther@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-gtromargzsbvmnuf] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:19:47 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-180.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:20:37 http://paste.lisp.org/display/134833 10:20:54 I'm using local-time and I've found that with this code, I get an error 10:21:16 Database error 42804: column "token_expire" is of type timestamp without time zone but expression is of type bigint 10:21:41 If I uncomment the setf lines I'm able to update the row 10:22:00 am I using local-time incorrectly? 10:22:01 what is in the token-expire slot? 10:22:23 (token-expire :col-type timestamp :initarg :token-expire 10:22:23 :initform (local-time:now) 10:22:23 :col-default (now)) 10:22:24 :accessor token-expire) 10:22:43 that's not what's in it, that's what you declared it to be. 10:23:01 oh.. well it is a timestamp in epoch format 10:23:14 you need to put a local-time:timestamp there. 10:23:39 3567838149 10:24:01 that's not a local-time:timestamp 10:24:24 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 10:24:35 this seems strange to me because the row is not mofified by my own code in any way 10:25:06 and you're not passing a :token-expire initarg when creating the dao object? 10:25:26 ubii [~ubii@184.21.196.19] has joined #lisp 10:25:26 -!- ubii [~ubii@184.21.196.19] has quit [Changing host] 10:25:26 ubii [~ubii@unaffiliated/ubii] has joined #lisp 10:25:55 (defun get-token-expiration-timestamp () 10:25:55 (let ((timestamp (local-time:adjust-timestamp (local-time:now) (offset :minute 15)))) 10:25:58 (local-time:format-timestring nil timestamp))) 10:26:15 please do not paste random snippets from your code here 10:26:30 H4ns: I apologize 10:26:38 you know that the slot contains an integer, now find out where that comes dfrom. 10:27:02 ok I think I can see that 10:27:17 H4ns: thank you 10:28:32 -!- kusut [~user@118.96.27.105] has left #lisp 10:28:48 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:30:38 -!- ubii [~ubii@unaffiliated/ubii] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:42:12 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f754925.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 10:43:43 -!- ISF [~ivan@187.106.39.154] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:45:43 b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@178.77.23.88] has joined #lisp 10:45:44 ISF [~ivan@187.106.39.154] has joined #lisp 10:50:18 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:52:04 ludston [~patience@CPE-121-216-102-83.lnse2.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 10:52:38 -!- ISF [~ivan@187.106.39.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:58:23 browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.182.104] has joined #lisp 11:03:32 -!- cfy [~ilisp@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:08:43 przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has joined #lisp 11:09:01 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 11:10:53 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.2.220] has joined #lisp 11:12:13 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:14:06 I think that what I need is a defmethod that converts the integer into a local-time:timestamp 11:15:01 and I think I have been slightly confused by local-time's print-object, which shows me a nicely formatted date 11:15:27 where does the integer come from? 11:15:45 nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 11:15:46 timestamp is the integer 11:16:56 I feel awful. I'm missing something. 11:17:13 where does it come from? 11:17:32 It comes out of the database 11:17:39 the integer? 11:18:00 it can't come out of the database... it is not stored that way 11:18:51 you're right I don't know where the integer comes from 11:18:56 don't tell me either 11:19:08 i can't tell you. you need to find out. 11:19:13 yes :) 11:21:00 -!- eichelbart_ is now known as eichelbart 11:21:07 rmathews [~roshan@122.174.4.121] has joined #lisp 11:22:45 ubii [~ubii@unaffiliated/ubii] has joined #lisp 11:25:07 nightfly [~sage@sagenite.net] has joined #lisp 11:28:30 leoncamel [~leoncamel@1.202.63.199] has joined #lisp 11:30:28 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:31:31 I want to answer your question but I must go now. 11:31:37 H4ns: thank you 11:31:40 -!- duko__ [~duko@cpe-76-174-26-24.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:36:38 leoc [~leoc.git@p5DDB8866.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:39:52 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:41:54 qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has joined #lisp 11:43:17 leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.66] has joined #lisp 11:43:31 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.182.104] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:45:28 browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.182.104] has joined #lisp 11:47:40 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:48:46 qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has joined #lisp 11:49:41 sirdancealot1 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 11:52:02 zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has joined #lisp 11:52:25 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 11:56:20 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:56:45 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:56:55 qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has joined #lisp 12:01:46 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.131] has joined #lisp 12:01:52 mutley89 [~mutley89@cpc1-swin14-2-0-cust274.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 12:03:17 -!- zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:05:47 -!- reckler [~reckler@ppp118-208-143-20.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:09:47 duko__ [~duko@cpe-76-174-26-24.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:10:04 -!- sirdancealot1 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:10:11 H4ns it is 4 in the morning here. I could not sleep. 12:10:21 I found the solution 12:10:56 the integer comes from cl-postmodern set-sql-datetime-readers 12:11:23 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:12:44 I found that I was able to call a function exported from local-time 12:12:52 and that solved my problem for me 12:13:03 thank you 12:13:05 -!- duko__ [~duko@cpe-76-174-26-24.socal.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 12:13:40 -!- rmathews [~roshan@122.174.4.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:14:33 sirdancealot1 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 12:20:15 rmathews [~roshan@122.174.39.88] has joined #lisp 12:21:52 green_ [~green@dsl-173-206-77-152.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 12:21:52 -!- Jasko2 [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:22:10 ikki [~ikki@187.208.192.217] has joined #lisp 12:22:11 Jasko2 [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:22:24 gaidal 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12:42:29 so much I'm not with lisp... 12:42:35 madnificent, thanks! 12:42:54 it's just something you need to know. enjoy :) 12:43:23 stardiviner [~stardivin@122.236.253.89] has joined #lisp 12:44:19 18VAAPAK6 [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has joined #lisp 12:46:19 urandom__ [~user@p548A2F7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 12:48:52 does anyone here know if/how you can let montezuma use the levenstein distance? 12:49:01 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.131] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:49:08 -!- mutley89 [~mutley89@cpc1-swin14-2-0-cust274.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:49:24 and if/how you can make it match parts of tokens 12:50:27 -!- GorbyS2 is now known as iLogical 12:52:09 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:52:32 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 12:54:42 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 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[~thrall@54.110.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 15:00:53 eichelbart: did you escape the backslash in your strings 15:01:26 dlowe: that was it! 15:01:30 :) 15:01:33 dlowe: thanks a lot! 15:01:58 eichelbart: cl-interpol can allow you to do #?/^\W[0-9]*\./ and have it work 15:02:13 but if you use normal string syntax, the backslashes go away 15:02:27 dlowe: thanks for the tip 15:02:39 -!- gensym is now known as gensym_foo 15:04:01 -!- youlysse` [~user@75-132-17-145.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:05:14 -!- linse [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1177917310.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 15:09:55 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:11:10 -!- bniels [~niels@p4FD6EDDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 15:11:16 myx [~myx@pppoe-88-147-235-137.san.ru] has joined #lisp 15:12:54 -!- webos [~webos@46.135.51.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:13:06 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] 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to use their char codes 15:26:54 (map 'list (compose 'read-from-string 'string) "asd") 15:27:00 (map 'list (compose #'read-from-string #'string) "aoeu") 15:27:03 bah 15:27:28 hah 15:27:34 sykopomp: # failed you! 15:28:41 but that wouldn't work with, say, "aoeu)" 15:31:23 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.148.199.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:32:49 -!- zolk3ri is now known as __nicki 15:33:08 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:34:01 -!- Guest28587 is now known as gensym 15:35:14 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-022-142.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 15:35:26 -!- __nicki is now known as zolk3ri 15:35:45 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:38:31 przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has joined #lisp 15:44:27 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 15:49:45 tensorpudding [~tensorpud@108.87.22.213] has joined #lisp 15:51:33 razieliyo: (com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.string:explode "asd") --> (#\a #\s #\d) 15:51:37 -!- impulse- [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1177960460.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:51:44 razieliyo: (com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.string:explode 'asd) --> (#\A #\S #\D) 15:51:53 ogamita, thanks 15:52:17 impulse [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1177960460.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 15:52:25 -!- impulse is now known as impulse- 15:52:41 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@c-a351e655.018-85-6b736810.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #lisp 15:53:00 Now, in the original LISP, there was no string, only symbols, and characters were thus represented by single-char symbols. There were a couple of functions named explode and implode (explode 'hello) --> (h e l l o) (implode '(w o r l d)) --> world 15:53:25 Of course, in LISP there were no lower case characters, only upper case, (6-bit characters), so. 15:54:22 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:55:03 -!- rabite [~rabite@4chan.fm] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:55:14 rabite [~rabite@4chan.fm] has joined #lisp 15:55:53 sytse_ [sytse@swielinga.nl] has joined #lisp 15:55:53 -!- sytse_ [sytse@swielinga.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 15:58:22 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-186-218.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:59:14 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@unaffiliated/Buglouse] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:03:08 Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.13.40.1] has joined #lisp 16:04:49 francisl [~flavoie@199.84.162.167] has joined #lisp 16:05:29 webos [~webos@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 16:06:49 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@63.98.50.138] has quit [] 16:07:47 victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has joined #lisp 16:07:52 francisl_ [~flavoie@199.84.162.165] has joined #lisp 16:09:25 -!- webos [~webos@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10:14 _d3f [~freedo@nl2.ovpn.to] has joined #lisp 16:10:18 hi 16:10:54 please I need help with sblc on debian wheezy amd64: it sometimes hangs during quickload 16:11:08 -!- francisl [~flavoie@199.84.162.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:11:08 -!- francisl_ is now known as francisl 16:11:39 -!- `fogus [~fogus@freedom.d-a-s.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:13:18 -!- green_ [~green@dsl-173-206-77-152.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:13:42 blackwolf [~blackwolf@ool-4574e84c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 16:14:32 Buglouse [~Buglouse@unaffiliated/Buglouse] has joined #lisp 16:18:05 -!- blandest [~user@ip4-85-204-33-242.euroweb.ro] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:18:49 green_ [~green@dsl-173-206-77-152.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 16:18:58 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 16:19:24 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:19:50 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 16:20:29 Posterdati: well, then perhaps asking on #sbcl? And with more information? 16:20:53 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:20:56 Also, are you sure it's not a network problem? 16:21:10 (you could download the package with quickload in another implementation). 16:25:08 -!- sirdancealot [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:27:18 sirdancealot7 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 16:30:39 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@dhcp175-196-red3.yandex.net] has joined #lisp 16:32:06 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 16:32:06 -!- Ymir [~ymirr@188.115.37.196] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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You cant *add* something to the head of the list 17:19:05 jasom: not true 17:19:16 Posterdati: what happens if you interrupt sbcl while hanging? 17:19:21 and can I delete that nil value? 17:19:21 -!- Demosthenex [~Demosthen@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:19:22 the restriction is that you can't modify NIL, period 17:19:33 can't interrupt with ctrl+c I have to kill it 17:19:59 stassats, so, I'll have to make a cdr when I wanna access the list 17:20:00 stassats: but you also can't add something to the head of the list from within the function 17:20:11 jasom: you can, easily 17:20:26 clhs rplca 17:20:27 Sorry, I couldn't find anything for rplca. 17:20:31 clhs rplaca 17:20:32 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_rplaca.htm 17:20:50 with most stupidly named functions in the world 17:20:58 or just (setf car/cdr) 17:21:10 prxq: ctrl + c didn't work, I had to kill it 17:21:46 Demosthenex [~Demosthen@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 17:21:53 Posterdati: you should try with a newer sbcl. Perhaps it is already fixed if it is a bug. 17:22:13 -!- francisl [~flavoie@199.84.162.165] has quit [Quit: francisl] 17:22:38 Posterdati: can you reliably reproduce it? 17:23:00 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:23:46 stassats: that lets you replace the car of the list, wouldn't you need to replace the entire cons in order to get (e.g.) the behavior of push? 17:23:54 stassats: it happens loading a variable number of times my project and/or gsll 17:24:04 oh wait, you could do that with rplaca/rplacd together. Nevermind 17:24:55 jasom: (defun prepend (item list) (psetf (car list) item (cdr list) (cons (car list) (cdr list)))) 17:25:19 placa in spanish is like a sound when you hit something 17:25:20 PLACA!! 17:25:25 stassats: yeah, I figured that out about 30 seconds ago 17:25:42 Posterdati: can you reproduce it with gsll only? 17:26:19 razieliyo: FYI it is undefined what happens if you try to desctructively modify a literal list (e.g. '(a b c d)) 17:26:22 prxq: sometimes it's almost rare 17:26:59 is there a comma missing in that sentence? 17:27:06 clhs psetf 17:27:06 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_setf_.htm 17:27:27 razieliyo: don't use that function 17:27:35 stlifey [~stlifey@116.19.140.255] has joined #lisp 17:27:39 stassats, so, what? 17:27:54 it's bad style, will leads to bugs and headaches 17:28:21 razieliyo: by "that function" he means the sample prepend he pasted 17:28:38 Posterdati: i did not understand that sentence. 17:28:43 well, of course, psetf isn't a function 17:28:50 jasom, okay, fine 17:29:10 prxq: I can 17:29:10 -!- kilon [~kilon@unaffiliated/thekilon] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:29:42 Posterdati: gsll from current quicklisp? 17:30:02 prxq: yes 17:30:17 i see. 17:32:43 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.182.104] has left #lisp 17:32:45 Posterdati: is the process consuming any amount of CPU? 17:33:02 stassats: no 17:33:12 can you strace it? 17:33:17 attach gdb, get a backtrace? 17:33:22 sbcl? 17:33:34 I use it in slime 17:33:44 I could attach it a gdb 17:33:45 are you running something other than sbcl? 17:33:58 stassats: a lot of things 17:34:12 Posterdati: can you interrupt it using the slime menue? that sometimes works for me better than hitting C-c C-c 17:34:27 prxq: that shouldn't matter 17:34:38 stassats: I agree :-) 17:34:46 prxq: don't know 17:35:02 prxq: it runs the same code, after all 17:35:41 stassats: may be. But sometimes, especially when I get swamped with output, C-c C-c does not work, while the one from the menue does. So it may be worth a try 17:37:07 -!- bind [~bind@D4B2749A.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:37:14 i'd write it off as a coincidence 17:37:27 it's reproducible. 17:37:31 Posterdati: so, did you attach gdb? 17:37:47 rjmt___ [~uid1@37.157.33.78] has joined #lisp 17:37:58 prxq: fine, i would like a recipe for reproduction then 17:38:05 kilon [~kilon@unaffiliated/thekilon] has joined #lisp 17:38:10 stassats: no 17:38:14 stardiviner [~stardivin@122.236.253.89] has joined #lisp 17:38:34 stassats: it seems to work now, it won't hang 17:39:07 stassats: it happens after that my qt application crashes 17:39:08 can you try to get it to hang again? 17:39:26 so, there's a qt application involved 17:39:27 pnpuff [~dioxirane@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 17:39:39 stassats: yes 17:39:48 -!- pnpuff [~dioxirane@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 17:39:57 stassats: I didn't see that it happens after I got an error in the qt app 17:40:10 what kind of error? 17:40:28 i assume your qt application is written in lisp, using commonqt? 17:40:41 stassats: yes 17:41:13 stassats: e.g. when I reference a non-existent slot in a object 17:41:24 rwiker [~rwiker@32.80-202-198.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 17:41:26 -!- hydan [~udzinari@ip-89-102-13-27.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: ...] 17:41:43 and are you sure that SBCL hangs and not just crashes into ldb? 17:41:55 I just started lisping and using slime. If I evaluate invalid lisp code, I can no longer use M-x or C-x in my Emacs. It just dies. I can still type stuff in the REPL 17:41:55 go check *inferior-lisp* 17:42:08 stassats: ok, let's do a test 17:42:27 impaktor: which implementation, which version? 17:42:44 prxq: sbcl, on arch. 17:42:47 impaktor: that's a highly bizarre scenario, what kind of invalid lisp code are you evaluating? 17:42:52 not sure which version. 17:43:08 Jambato [~Jambato@2a01:e35:2f15:c40:211:d8ff:fe7d:2c4a] has joined #lisp 17:43:27 impaktor: go to *inferior-lisp* and scroll all the way up 17:43:32 stassats: just anny, like (list a b c) instead of (list 'a 'b 'c) 17:43:45 impaktor: exactly what happens then? 17:44:09 stassats: ok, now my app wasn't crashed, I changed a variable name in the source and reloaded with quickload and now it is hanged 17:44:10 Oh dear. I'm not sitting at that machine right now. 17:44:13 so I cant test it. 17:44:40 stassats: what shall I do? 17:44:43 impaktor: well, come back when you can 17:44:53 prxq: yes, my thinking as well. 17:44:55 Posterdati: go to the *inferior-lisp* buffer 17:44:57 inferior lisp show an ldb> prompt 17:44:57 thansk. 17:45:04 Posterdati: so it doesn't hange 17:45:05 stassats inferior lisp show an ldb> prompt 17:45:14 Posterdati: recite the error message you see there 17:45:22 lol 17:45:35 stassats: Heap exhausted, game over 17:45:41 there you go 17:46:22 what shall I do now? 17:46:31 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 17:46:33 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-216-175-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 17:47:46 -!- leo2007 [~leo@182.48.109.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:48:38 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:48:40 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:48:48 ASau [~user@46.115.34.175] has joined #lisp 17:48:58 Posterdati: look at the ldb backtrace (with 'backtrace', I think) and meditate on the output 17:49:14 what about just increasing the heap size? 17:49:17 perhaps you see what is allocating space. 17:49:22 no meditation involved 17:49:26 bind [~bind@5ED5B26C.cm-7-6c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lisp 17:49:28 ...or what stassats says. 17:49:34 Meditation is good 17:49:48 could be the qt app involved? 17:50:20 have you increased the heap size already? 17:50:22 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-180.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:50:29 stassats: no 17:50:46 nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 17:51:48 mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has joined #lisp 17:51:55 elepfontius [~elefponti@cpe-108-176-145-69.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:53:24 -!- rwiker [~rwiker@32.80-202-198.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:53:39 -!- mutley89 [~mutley89@cpc1-swin14-2-0-cust274.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:54:03 I did backtrace in ldb 17:54:53 Heap exhausted during garbage collection: 16256 bytes available, 16400 requested. 17:55:29 *stassats* is waiting until Posterdati does increase the amount of heap SBCL can allocate 17:55:51 francisl [~flavoie@199.84.162.167] has joined #lisp 17:56:08 http://paste.lisp.org/display/134836 17:56:21 Bike [~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:56:57 Posterdati: sbcl --dynamic-space-size 16000 17:57:15 bind__ [~bind@D4B2749A.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #lisp 17:57:27 jasom: I call sbcl via slime 17:57:38 Posterdati: this backtrace is worthless, but you have only 1G of heap 17:57:54 Posterdati: then (setq slime-lisp-implementations '((sbcl ("sbcl" "--dynamic-space-size 16000")) ... 17:58:59 -!- bind [~bind@5ED5B26C.cm-7-6c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:59:00 Posterdati: which is easy to exhaust 18:01:17 where should I edit this? In .sbclrc or .emacs? 18:01:47 Posterdati: in .emacs 18:02:18 jasom: strange, in .emacs there should be more about slime and sbclrc 18:03:19 Posterdati: you give sbcl a command line option to tell it how much heap you want; since you use slime to launch sbcl, that's where you change it. Or you can rebuild sbcl to have a larger default 18:03:36 ok 18:03:43 Posterdati: if you use ql, it loads slime. 18:07:03 luqui [~luqui@184-96-153-100.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:07:14 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.93] has joined #lisp 18:07:34 is it better to use the quicklisp slime version? 18:07:49 than what? 18:08:03 Posterdati: it is probably tested by quite a few people. probably better tested than just about any alternative. 18:08:16 I've got a debian slimepackage 18:08:46 madnificent: that's a strange statement, the quicklisp version the cvs version 18:09:02 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:10:29 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 18:11:11 stassats: if I try to use the quicklisp version, swank complains about slime versions 18:11:30 -!- green_ [~green@dsl-173-206-77-152.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:11:37 that's because you still have the debian slime 18:11:43 ok 18:11:54 you should do apt-get --purge remove cl-swank slime first 18:11:59 green_ [~green@dsl-173-206-77-152.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 18:12:01 and restart emacs too 18:12:32 done! 18:12:38 urandom__ [~user@ip-88-152-207-199.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 18:14:09 jsfb [~jon@unaffiliated/jsfb] has joined #lisp 18:14:16 -!- Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.13.40.1] has quit [Quit: used jmIrc] 18:14:51 pnpuff [~dioxirane@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:15:29 -!- rjmt___ [~uid1@37.157.33.78] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:18:13 rjmt___ [~uid1@37.157.33.78] has joined #lisp 18:18:51 AeroNotix [~xeno@abou198.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 18:22:18 Thra11_ [~thrall@94.8.113.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 18:22:49 well, I'm having the result I don't want with cons 18:24:33 -!- Thra11 [~thrall@54.110.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:24:35 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 18:24:35 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 18:25:03 are cdr and car efficient? 18:25:21 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:25:38 the thing is that I wanted to do something, but now I've found a way to handle the list I want just with cdr to get the last element and I can use it 18:25:52 I explain myself better 18:26:11 I wanted to build lists as this (('1 '2 '3) ('4 '5 '6) ('7 '8 '9)) 18:26:45 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:26:45 but the way I'm doing it, I build them this way (((NIL 0 98 3) 1 97 2) 2 98 3) 18:26:56 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:26:57 I can handle the head with cdr 18:27:16 why are you quoting integers? 18:27:18 I don't know if it's better to find the approach to make it the way I first thought or stay with this one 18:27:22 Joreji [~thomas@84-182.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 18:27:26 razieliyo: http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/they-called-it-lisp-for-a-reason-list-processing.html 18:27:43 brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:27:46 stassats well, it doesn't matter really, I was planning on use symbols but integers make it good 18:28:13 -!- luqui [~luqui@184-96-153-100.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: luqui] 18:28:17 jasom, I think that the title of that article answer my question 18:28:23 Joreji_ [~thomas@84-182.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 18:28:54 it's not an article, it's a chapter of a book, a book which you should have read! 18:30:12 luqui [~luqui@184-96-153-100.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:30:36 stassats, lol, in fact I havent entirely read it, but I always have it close to me 18:34:31 stassats: the slime prompt won't work :( 18:36:20 -!- ChibaPet [~ChibaPet@fsf/member/chibapet] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:36:52 -!- arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-fhtwpkahjyihacnj] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:36:52 -!- Jasko2 [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:37:10 Jasko2 [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:37:21 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:39:03 solved! 18:39:10 razieliyo ((1 2 3) (4 5 6) (7 8 9)). but yes you should read that chapter 18:39:16 -!- rmathews [~roshan@122.174.39.88] has quit [Quit: ...] 18:39:47 '((1 2 3) (4 5 6) (7 8 9)) even 18:39:47 ChibaPet [~ChibaPet@fsf/member/chibapet] has joined #lisp 18:40:53 -!- Thra11_ [~thrall@94.8.113.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:42:15 -!- luqui [~luqui@184-96-153-100.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: luqui] 18:43:24 -!- nikodem [~mikey@user-46-112-225-68.play-internet.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:52:52 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [] 18:52:53 -!- nightfly [~sage@sagenite.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:53:49 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 257 seconds] 18:53:49 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Quit: Emacs must have died] 18:53:52 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:54:20 at least I got it 18:54:32 that chapter did his work 18:54:49 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #lisp 18:55:54 -!- pve [~user@melkinpaasi.cs.helsinki.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:56:27 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 18:56:32 HG` [~HG@wprt-4d09a9ab.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 18:56:54 -!- seangrove [~user@c-71-202-126-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:57:33 where I could found examples on qt treeview in commonqt? Thanks 18:58:15 -!- Joreji [~thomas@84-182.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:00:46 pval [~user@87.red-80-28-73.adsl.dynamic.ccgg.telefonica.net] has joined #lisp 19:03:35 p8m [~asdf@67.210.179.76] has joined #lisp 19:04:40 fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:09:00 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF950D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:10:53 -!- ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:11:31 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 19:11:55 -!- ft [efftee@shell.chaostreff-dortmund.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:12:11 bubo_ [~bubo@91.224.149.58] has joined #lisp 19:13:07 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@198.179.137.211] has quit [Quit: I tend to be neutral about apples] 19:14:41 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:14:44 -!- kofno [~kofno@64.197.96.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:15:38 snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 19:16:42 Joreji [~thomas@84-182.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 19:17:23 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:19:06 kofno [~kofno@64.197.96.194] has joined #lisp 19:21:23 Posterdati: niladic answer is the better! :) 19:22:49 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 19:23:29 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-186-218.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:24:16 Ymir [~ymirr@188.115.37.196] has joined #lisp 19:24:16 -!- pval [~user@87.red-80-28-73.adsl.dynamic.ccgg.telefonica.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:25:40 -!- dru1d [~lukasz@ip-82-177-222-138.net.azartsat.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:28:12 ft [efftee@shell.chaostreff-dortmund.de] has joined #lisp 19:30:31 luqui [~luqui@c-98-245-83-250.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:31:23 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:31:42 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@116.19.140.255] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 19:41:27 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-72-66-99-183.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:42:31 -!- iLogical is now known as turboislaam 19:43:06 -!- turboislaam is now known as ilogical 19:43:19 ebobby [~fms@189.170.52.145] has joined #lisp 19:45:59 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 19:51:32 dabd [~dabd@a95-93-205-168.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 20:03:14 -!- bind__ is now known as bind 20:11:15 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:11:40 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 20:11:45 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:12:26 sdemarre [~serge@91.180.66.31] has joined #lisp 20:12:44 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 20:13:14 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:14:32 francogrex [~user@109.134.230.155] has joined #lisp 20:16:46 what is the best (minimum consing) way to delete specific elements in a list that do not meet a certain condition? 20:17:03 using loop? 20:17:04 delete-if-not? 20:17:42 dlowe: ok, it will not destroy the list itself? 20:17:53 You said minimum consing :p 20:18:41 If you don't want to destroy the list, you'll have to make another one 20:18:42 well... what's the use of delete-if-not if it won't preserve the rest of the list intact 20:18:53 -!- pnpuff [~dioxirane@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: Greensleeves...] 20:19:01 if you don't need to keep the list intact, it may cons much less 20:19:07 for when you odn't care about preserving the list, of course. 20:19:40 So if you're using loop, just use a WHEN clause with COLLECT 20:20:39 -!- luqui [~luqui@c-98-245-83-250.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: luqui] 20:20:51 pegu2 [~user@c242C76D9.static.as2116.net] has joined #lisp 20:23:44 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m212-152-10-180.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: The Garbage Collector got me...] 20:24:50 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 20:26:33 I'm trying to load elephant 1.0-A2 on SBCL 1.1.2, but I get an "no symbol named "SLOT-DEFINITION-BOUNDP-FUNCTION" in "SB-PCL" http://paste.lisp.org/display/134841, is this a known problem? 20:26:34 francogrex: i think you'll have to loop over the list twice. the first time to detect the part of the list that isn't to be modified, the second time to build the (partially) new list 20:27:47 -!- jsfb [~jon@unaffiliated/jsfb] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:30:12 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:31:32 madnificent: it seems wasteful. (setf list (remove-if ... list)) is the easiest but I don't know about consing if it's a lot or not 20:32:11 If you don't know if it's a problem, it's not 20:32:19 lol 20:32:40 you can always use (time ...) and see how much memory it used. (at least in SBCL not sure what info other CL implementations give) 20:33:00 there's plenty of other profiling stuff available 20:33:27 but it sounds like it's way too soon to be worrying about whether a single list generates too much consing 20:34:18 -!- cddr`` [user@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:b02b] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:34:42 maybe its a list iwth millions of elements? :P 20:34:49 s/iwth/with/ 20:35:29 probably time to use a better data structure, then 20:36:41 yep 20:38:47 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 20:38:47 -!- Jasko2 [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:39:10 Jasko2 [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:39:29 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:41:21 ignas_ [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 20:42:19 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Killed (pratchett.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 20:42:19 -!- ignas_ is now known as ignas 20:42:48 Guest80956 [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 20:43:17 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:44:22 -!- kofno [~kofno@64.197.96.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:45:32 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@h178-129-80-245.dyn.bashtel.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:45:35 -!- Guest80956 [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Client Quit] 20:49:13 nightfly [~sage@sagenite.net] has joined #lisp 20:50:12 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 20:53:18 -!- francisl [~flavoie@199.84.162.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:55:14 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@176.14.34.224] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:55:24 scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-71-167.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 20:57:12 francisl [~flavoie@199.84.162.165] has joined #lisp 20:57:21 gcl's alive! 4 commits on cvs! 20:57:51 -!- myx_ [~myx@95.84.55.87] has quit [Quit: ] 20:58:25 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-216-175-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [] 20:58:47 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-180.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:59:16 who woke up for gcl and why? 20:59:37 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:00:35 is it more advantageous to the lisp community to disperse its efforts over many implementations rather than focus on only one and make super-powerful? 21:01:03 francogrex: there is no "the lisp community" 21:01:13 of course there is a community 21:01:18 melvin- [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has joined #lisp 21:01:19 yes theris 21:01:21 there are multiple. 21:01:32 but there is not "the lisp community" that has a common will. 21:01:35 ah ok, yes 21:01:47 all those under the banner of common lisp, unite! 21:01:48 it has a common lisp, though 21:01:55 kofno [~kofno@64.197.96.194] has joined #lisp 21:01:55 -!- bubo_ [~bubo@91.224.149.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:02:13 we need a dictator 21:02:18 francogrex: I don't think it is necessarily bad to have many viable impls. 21:02:19 right. 21:02:43 francogrex: if you say "we", who do you think you're including? 21:02:54 francogrex: can't be me, for sure. i don't need a dictator. 21:02:59 -!- b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@178.77.23.88] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:05:21 it's possible that the fact there are many implementations adds to the richness but I am not very convinced. 21:05:54 for example I have three implementations on one PC always 21:06:04 francogrex: you might find what you are looking for in python or clojure, then. 21:06:10 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:06:26 clisp for debugging, ECL for embedding C and sbcl the default 21:06:38 felideon: too late for me 21:08:16 addicted to lisp. 21:08:23 having cvs commits doesn't mean anyone's going to use it for anything but compiling maxima 21:08:34 I don't think you can have the raw performance of sbcl with the small footprint of say, clisp. 21:08:53 there are always tradeoffs 21:11:59 pjb: which version of clisp do you use? 21:12:19 mutley89 [~mutley89@cpc1-swin14-2-0-cust274.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 21:13:02 -!- francisl [~flavoie@199.84.162.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:18 francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has joined #lisp 21:13:32 I happily compiled maxima with sbcl, I used it at work, showed some of the impressive demonstrations of 3D plots and other CAS tricks, that shut many people up 21:14:01 -!- ikki [~ikki@187.208.192.217] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:14:25 new recruit in my team was complaining about too many parenthesis in lisp, i showed her maxima, she was struck with awe 21:16:07 bah, colorize parens a darker grey and they all go away .. or read a fair bit of lisp and they go away too 21:16:29 the colorize thing is a nice way to start though 21:19:45 oGMo: I'm pround of the parenthesis 21:20:09 I love lisp 21:20:20 this is the first time I do something with sense and I'm loving it 21:20:52 I knew some day I would love it and it's today 21:20:54 i was actually looking around to see if there were any other easy-to-parse languages, and besides stack-based stuff where everything is essentially a symbol, i couldn't find any 21:20:55 but it's always good to show amateurs that almost everything can be done, something they are not used it with other trendy software or languagesthey use 21:20:58 sorry for the offtopic, had to say 21:21:14 really a key feature though 21:21:16 green__ [~green@dsl-207-112-90-225.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 21:21:40 -!- green__ is now known as Guest66635 21:22:01 razieliyo: enjoy 21:22:09 francogrex, thanks =) 21:22:20 -!- green_ [~green@dsl-173-206-77-152.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:22:53 -!- bind [~bind@D4B2749A.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:23:17 it has been funny when, involved in a hell of parentheses, I found out that I had a solution for my problem with just a line with map 21:23:23 it's been so frustrating 21:23:35 add^_ [~add^_@m212-152-10-180.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 21:23:49 bind [~bind@D4B2749A.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #lisp 21:24:07 luqui [~luqui@97-118-187-87.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:24:13 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.93] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:31:58 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.180.66.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:32:53 jsfb [~jon@unaffiliated/jsfb] has joined #lisp 21:33:04 nikodem [~Mikey@user-46-112-225-68.play-internet.pl] has joined #lisp 21:34:57 -!- Jambato [~Jambato@2a01:e35:2f15:c40:211:d8ff:fe7d:2c4a] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:34:59 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:35:48 bubo_ [~bubo@91.224.149.58] has joined #lisp 21:36:44 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:38:25 tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:39:02 -!- luqui [luqui@clozure-6DBB9193.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: luqui] 21:39:02 -!- luqui [~luqui@97-118-187-87.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: luqui] 21:39:49 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abou198.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:40:41 -!- bubo_ [~bubo@91.224.149.58] has quit [Client Quit] 21:41:40 -!- nikodem [~Mikey@user-46-112-225-68.play-internet.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:42:12 AeroNotix [~xeno@aboo14.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 21:44:35 -!- ahungry [~null@66.184.106.97] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:45:42 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 21:45:54 hi 21:46:12 hoe can I set the header for a commonqt treeview? 21:47:34 -!- mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:47:43 The elephant problem above was resolved using the latest source from the darcs repo 21:48:36 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@unaffiliated/Buglouse] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:53:18 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53:18 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53:27 -!- pegu2 [~user@c242C76D9.static.as2116.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:51 commonqt isn't usable 21:56:00 pegu [~user@c242C76D9.static.as2116.net] has joined #lisp 21:56:21 sorry, that was supposed to go in the pastebin... 21:56:36 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:56:50 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 21:59:35 pegu: what? 22:00:02 luqui [~luqui@97-118-187-87.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:02:35 Thra11 [~thrall@94.8.113.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 22:03:00 duko_ [~duko@static-72-87-239-154.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:03:01 Corvidium [~cosman246@D-173-250-149-91.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 22:03:01 -!- Thra11 [~thrall@94.8.113.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:04:30 Thra11 [~thrall@94.8.113.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 22:04:42 Buglouse [~Buglouse@unaffiliated/Buglouse] has joined #lisp 22:04:50 -!- Joreji [~thomas@84-182.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:05:35 sawgij [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has joined #lisp 22:13:44 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF950D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:14:24 -!- luqui [luqui@clozure-6DBB9193.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: luqui] 22:14:24 -!- luqui [~luqui@97-118-187-87.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: luqui] 22:15:05 -!- francogrex [~user@109.134.230.155] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:25:53 -!- kofno [~kofno@64.197.96.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:34 -!- Ymir [~ymirr@188.115.37.196] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 22:27:59 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:55 gendl [~gendl@c-68-41-192-171.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:31:12 hi 22:31:16 kofno [~kofno@64.197.96.194] has joined #lisp 22:31:29 on Allegro CL Windows with Slime, has anyone seen an error like: 22:31:45 "creating a datagram socket resulted in error (code 10013): 22:31:47 Unknown error. 22:32:12 how do I concatenate directories into a pathname? /foo/bar/ baz foo.csv into /foo/bar/baz/foo.csv, say? 22:32:17 just string concant? 22:32:22 gendl: that's a pretty rarified combination of OS and Lisp. I suggest you ask Allegro support. 22:32:38 I did already. 22:32:48 just thought somebody here may have seen it also. 22:32:50 sorry. 22:33:56 dim: (make-pathname :directory (append (pathname-directory "/foo/bar/") "baz") :name "foo" :type "csv") 22:35:10 thx! 22:35:13 see also #'merge-pathnames 22:35:37 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-022-142.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:36:08 (append (pathname-directory "/foo/bar/") "baz") --> (append (pathname-directory "/foo/bar/") (list "baz")) 22:36:08 (merge-pathnames ".emacs.d/" (user-homedir-pathname)) => #P"/home/fade/.emacs.d/" 22:37:32 luqui [~luqui@97-118-187-87.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:37:54 hi gendl 22:38:23 *prxq* privmesgs gendl 22:39:50 -!- findiggle [~kirkwood@50-194-56-154-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:42:13 -!- rdqfdx [~rdqfdx@78.90.88.244] has quit [Quit: terminated!] 22:42:56 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@84-182.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:44:28 -!- luqui [luqui@clozure-6DBB9193.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: luqui] 22:44:29 -!- luqui [~luqui@97-118-187-87.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: luqui] 22:45:27 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:45:49 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 22:46:38 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@101.171.158.105] has joined #lisp 22:47:20 -!- HG` [~HG@wprt-4d09a9ab.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:48:05 two- [~1@c-67-171-131-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:49:08 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 22:52:52 bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:56:25 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:58:47 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 22:59:01 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:01:30 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 23:02:21 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Client Quit] 23:02:36 -!- kilon [~kilon@unaffiliated/thekilon] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:13 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 23:05:07 -!- leoncamel [~leoncamel@1.202.63.199] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:06:57 arrsim [~user@mail.fitness2live.com.au] has joined #lisp 23:08:35 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@D-173-250-149-91.dhcp4.washington.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:09:59 Corvidium [~cosman246@D-173-250-149-91.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 23:10:58 luqui [~luqui@97-118-187-87.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:12:42 nanoc [~conanhome@190.113.144.253] has joined #lisp 23:14:09 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@unaffiliated/Buglouse] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:15:41 -!- francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:17:24 -!- nanoc [~conanhome@190.113.144.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:17:34 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m212-152-10-180.cust.tele2.se] has left #lisp 23:17:43 -!- smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.1.1] 23:18:01 Postgresql protocol error: Unexpected message received: H [Condition of type CL-POSTGRES::PROTOCOL-ERROR] 23:18:06 any postmodern guru available? 23:18:18 is it me doing something wrong or... 23:18:55 -!- luqui [luqui@clozure-6DBB9193.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: luqui] 23:18:56 -!- luqui [~luqui@97-118-187-87.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: luqui] 23:19:33 luqui [~luqui@97-118-187-87.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:19:58 dim: only postmortem guru here 23:20:22 parse error, who is the postmortem guru here? 23:20:38 -!- agumonkey [~agu@63.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:20:56 it can't be true 23:21:07 brandonz [~brandon@c-24-6-4-232.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:21:21 dim: are you creating a custom row reader? 23:21:57 nope, I can show you, just using the bulk-copy implementation 23:22:15 see comments on top of cl-postgres/bulk-copy.lisp 23:22:20 (if curious) 23:23:23 ok I have something to try 23:23:38 reusing the *database* from within with-connection certainly wasn't bright 23:23:55 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:23:56 -!- luqui [~luqui@97-118-187-87.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:24:06 -!- bind [~bind@D4B2749A.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:24:09 -!- stopbit [~stopbit@static-108-48-124-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:24:13 MusangKing [~CatMtKing@wireless-mobilenet-169-235-42-253.bulk.ucr.edu] has joined #lisp 23:27:10 -!- CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@ed-uluka.dyn.ucr.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:27:30 no, same error. 23:27:50 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:28:13 -!- segv- [~mb@dslb-094-223-010-189.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:28:19 segv-_ [~mb@dslb-094-223-010-189.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 23:29:13 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@101.171.158.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:30:33 ok I mix :from and :to 23:30:42 time to have a break, or a sleep actually 23:31:00 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:32:28 Buglouse [~Buglouse@unaffiliated/Buglouse] has joined #lisp 23:34:50 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-24-6-4-232.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:35:10 -!- razieliyo [~Propietar@unaffiliated/razieliyo] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 23:36:35 -!- arrsim [~user@mail.fitness2live.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:38:11 -!- victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has quit [Quit: Leaving IRC - dircproxy 1.2.0] 23:41:22 ccorn [~ccorn@i52104.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 23:41:30 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:42:42 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.144.105.27] has joined #lisp 23:45:37 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:46:00 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 23:46:40 cfy [~ilisp@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 23:47:10 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@i52104.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 23:50:53 -!- sirmacik [sirmacik@unaffiliated/sirmacik] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:51:27 -!- segv-_ [~mb@dslb-094-223-010-189.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: segv-_] 23:51:48 sirmacik [sirmacik@darkserver.it] has joined #lisp 23:51:48 -!- sirmacik [sirmacik@darkserver.it] has quit [Changing host] 23:51:48 sirmacik [sirmacik@unaffiliated/sirmacik] has joined #lisp 23:52:52 do #. things execute with *package* bound to what I would expect? (eg if I have (in-package foo) followed by #.(quote a) will it resolve to the symbol a in package foo) 23:53:25 well they have to be read (in *package*) before being executed 23:55:04 -!- natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-46-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 23:56:26 -!- kofno [~kofno@64.197.96.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]