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[~k0001@host123.190-137-207.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:52:02 #+nil(expr) is something like c's #if 0 block #endif right? If so, are there any other form to disable multiple top level forms like c's #if 0 trick? 02:52:45 nil is not reliable, try #+(or) 02:52:56 Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 02:53:01 nan_: #| |# ? 02:53:46 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@c-50-140-197-19.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:53:46 pkhuong: i want to use that one but it doesn't work with emacs. 02:54:04 xliweinan [~liweinan@123.117.220.36] has joined #lisp 02:54:11 try #|| ||# 02:58:00 stassats: working for you? still buggy here 02:58:25 -!- brighid [~krinn@69.46.88.22] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:59:09 well, i don't use multi-form comments, so i don't know how well they work 03:00:48 pkx [~pkx@cpe-68-175-66-138.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:00:54 colouring might lag. That doesn't mean the implementation is buggy. 03:00:58 -!- pkx [~pkx@cpe-68-175-66-138.nyc.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 03:01:07 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-96-240-138-223.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 03:01:36 ;;; work great with or without coloring 03:01:42 pkhuong: but isn't syntax highlighting also implementation? :) 03:01:45 it does silly things with highlighting of initial ( 03:01:46 no. 03:01:47 -!- loke_erc [~user@c-4957e555.012-14-67626717.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:02:09 #||#, I mean. In emacs. 03:02:29 sykopomp: same with strings. That's emacs. 03:04:14 -!- two- [~1@67.23.193.215] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 03:05:32 right 03:05:58 -!- VieiraN [~VieiraN@189-46-156-68.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:06:44 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-72-66-99-183.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:07:26 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-72-66-99-183.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:10:59 adelgado [~TomSawyer@c-50-140-197-19.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:13:54 -!- afairchild [~user@ec2-23-21-196-222.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:13:58 segmond_ [~segmond@adsl-99-103-189-32.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:14:03 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:16:53 -!- segmond__ [~segmond@adsl-99-103-189-116.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:24:02 -!- Slivka [~Slivka@81.4.242.0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:24:16 -!- urandom__ [~user@p54B0E8C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 03:25:18 -!- honkfestival [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 03:26:12 honkfestival [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 03:27:51 -!- honkfestival [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit [Client Quit] 03:28:58 -!- xliweinan [~liweinan@123.117.220.36] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:32:49 changxue [~changxue@118.122.165.42] has joined #lisp 03:33:40 jathd [~user@mon69-5-88-169-253-165.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 03:36:19 Dose anyone use LW6.1.1 Personal for mac? I have download it , and install . But find it not support chinese character, 03:37:01 when input chinese character , it will display "?????". 03:37:29 What can i do to solve that. 03:37:43 xliweinan [~liweinan@123.117.220.36] has joined #lisp 03:41:21 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 03:42:32 {amon} [~lwa@p54A3AEEE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 03:42:35 lispworks personal is not something many people are using here 03:42:57 I use it, but not for chinese 03:42:59 -!- ski [~ski@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:43:28 try contacting their support? 03:43:52 honkfestival [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 03:43:52 tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 03:45:03 changxue: There may be some option to enable unicode support, otherwise consider a different implementation. 03:45:23 -!- LWA [~lwa@p54A3ABB4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:48:08 -!- tcr 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lisp, i have a question about the code on page 138 10:16:03 chitofan: you'll get more answers if you paste the code somewhere. 10:16:29 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@91-157-48-22.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Must not waste too much time here...] 10:16:56 chitofan: paste.lisp.org 10:17:22 http://landoflisp.com/wumpus.lisp 10:17:35 and the question? 10:17:36 the find-islands function 10:17:38 peterhil` [~peterhil@91-157-48-22.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 10:17:39 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:17:46 why do you push connected into the island list 10:17:50 shouldnt it be unconnected 10:17:53 my head is spinning 10:18:50 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@91-157-48-22.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 10:20:06 stlifey_ [~stlifey@116.26.27.98] has joined #lisp 10:23:29 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@121.11.46.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:24:25 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.171] has joined #lisp 10:24:35 add^_ [~add^_@m37-3-63-237.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 10:25:33 stlifey [~stlifey@116.26.22.140] has joined #lisp 10:27:56 -!- chr [~user@148.122.202.244] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:28:11 chr [~user@148.122.202.244] has joined #lisp 10:29:05 -!- stlifey_ [~stlifey@116.26.27.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:30:21 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:30:43 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:31:27 Jambato [~Jambato@2a01:e35:2f15:c40:211:d8ff:fe7d:2c4a] has joined #lisp 10:42:50 chitofan: what is find-islands supposed to do? 10:45:20 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:45:34 -!- cfy [~ilisp@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:45:40 its supposed to find unconnected nodes 10:45:48 its a network of nodes 10:45:56 and islands are unconnected nodes 10:46:23 the previous function, get-connected creates a list of all the nodes that are connected in the main network 10:47:10 and presumably you use that function to get a list of the nodes that are not connected in the main network 10:47:19 i'm still reading the code 10:47:30 -!- ramkrsna__ [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-rntxyrhuaykewlwf] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:48:15 cfy [~ilisp@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 10:48:49 what do you think is the return type of find-islands? 10:49:31 a list of unconnected nodes 10:49:35 no 10:49:44 read carefully 10:50:25 what does (push connected islands) do? what is the type of CONNECTED? 10:51:41 mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has joined #lisp 10:53:18 get-connected returns you a list of nodes that are connected in the main grid 10:53:29 so connected is associated with that? 10:53:48 you tell me, what is the type of CONNECTED? 10:53:50 so islands is a list of nodes that are connected in the main grid..? 10:53:58 a list? 10:54:16 yes. what is its content? 10:54:37 bniels [~niels@p4FD6DB36.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:54:40 what is the type of its elements? 10:55:17 i'm not sure what you're asking.. sorry 10:56:01 the list CONNECTED contains something. it contains connected nodes as returned by get-connected 10:56:47 okay, then.. 10:56:53 so when CONNECTED is a list of nodes and you use (push connected islands), what does islands look like? 10:57:02 a list of lists? 10:57:08 right 10:57:19 go on from there 10:57:37 so land of lisp uses this as sample code and does not explain how it works in the book text? 10:57:41 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@116.26.22.140] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 10:58:11 no im just dumb :( 10:58:17 dunno, I just read the sources 10:58:18 i think i understand 10:58:24 so if there are multiple islands 10:58:34 "islands" where a few nodes are connected 10:58:38 we will be linking them all 10:58:59 that is what connect-all-islands is supposed to do 10:59:54 ramkrsna__ [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-ulvvsibfbpllgnrt] has joined #lisp 11:01:11 i wish i could try out the code 11:01:22 but i cant seem to use the functions i compiled 11:01:42 if only i could see what kind of output my functions give out then i would get it faster 11:01:47 still, thanks so much spacefrogg :) 11:01:58 I'm glad I could help 11:02:02 chitofan: what is the problem with running the code exactly? 11:02:56 hmm well 11:03:00 see the nodes argument 11:03:06 im not sure what to put in as a dummy variable 11:03:10 to see whats the output 11:03:17 for find-islands 11:03:31 what kind of data should i put into nodes to get it to work? 11:03:56 I suspect you should read back a few pages. 11:04:23 agumonkey [~agu@183.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 11:04:50 cdidd [~cdidd@95-28-64-7.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 11:05:09 suggest* 11:05:42 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:06:43 its supposed to be a list 11:06:46 of nodes..? 11:07:07 i tried (find-islands (1 2 3) (make-edge-list)) 11:07:09 to no avail 11:07:31 (find-islands (make-edge-list) (make-edge-list)) works though, but just confuses me because its so damn big 11:07:59 -!- dous [~dous@unaffiliated/dous] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:08:33 dous [~dous@unaffiliated/dous] has joined #lisp 11:08:59 -!- Guest9041 [Guest9041@218.59.102.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:09:22 -!- ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:09:43 Guest9041 [Guest9041@218.59.102.68] has joined #lisp 11:10:39 ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined #lisp 11:12:56 make your own edges 11:13:22 or reduce *node-num* and *edge-num* 11:14:51 i did that 11:14:53 still confuses me 11:15:11 do you know what an edge looks like? 11:16:04 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:16:38 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 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[Condition of type CCL::SIMPLE-PROGRAM-ERROR] 11:20:21 i get this though :) 11:20:24 :( 11:20:58 chitofan: QUOTE! 11:21:01 why do you try to execute an edge? 11:21:02 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 11:21:13 -!- macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h-17-133.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:21:26 to try and see what an output of find-islands looks like 11:21:28 gosh :( 11:21:29 thanks jdz 11:21:56 find-islands takes a list of edges 11:22:26 but the nodes, that confuses me 11:23:01 -!- knob [~knob@adsl-173-228-245-30.prtc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:29:38 przl [~przlrkt@p54BD376B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:32:27 -!- LAMMJohnson [~john@user-5AF432F7.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:33:45 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 11:34:05 LAMMJohnson [~john@user-5AF432F7.broadband.tesco.net] has joined #lisp 11:34:38 confab [~metulbot2@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 11:36:05 macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h-9-226.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 11:37:59 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@178.74.73.157] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 11:38:10 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@178.74.73.157] has joined #lisp 11:42:30 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:43:55 xliweinan [~liweinan@123.117.220.36] has joined #lisp 11:47:46 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 11:54:08 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 11:56:51 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 11:59:27 -!- aoh [~aki@adsl-99-115.netplaza.fi] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:00:58 -!- bniels [~niels@p4FD6DB36.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:04 aoh [~aki@adsl-99-115.netplaza.fi] has joined #lisp 12:01:43 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:02:14 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 12:04:54 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BD376B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:05:35 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:08:49 owain` [~user@77.108.153.99] has joined #lisp 12:09:17 \join #ocaml 12:09:41 -!- ``Erik [~erik@pool-74-103-121-45.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:09:41 -!- owain` [~user@77.108.153.99] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:10:30 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 12:10:31 ``Erik [~erik@pool-74-103-121-45.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:13:07 kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:13:14 -!- borodust [pauk@stdev.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:18:37 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 12:19:40 borodust [pauk@stdev.org] has joined #lisp 12:20:14 bniels [~niels@p4FD6DB36.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 12:21:03 arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-aoelewfelktsmcho] has joined #lisp 12:22:12 -!- kdas_ [kdas@nat/redhat/x-pfyahnoxxlgiyyzh] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:24:24 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.214] has joined #lisp 12:26:35 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-27-59.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:29:08 gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 12:29:12 -!- chitofan [99145f45@gateway/web/freenode/ip.153.20.95.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:31:06 przl [~przlrkt@p54BD376B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 12:32:20 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:32:37 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:37:56 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.91.1] 12:38:58 pjb` [~t@AMontsouris-651-1-2-62.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 12:39:08 Hi everyone. 12:39:43 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BD376B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:40:44 Have someone ever tried to use evil mode for Emacs after a few years of Vim? 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commodore 64 for do that 16:02:25 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 16:03:00 xliweinan [~liweinan@123.117.220.36] has joined #lisp 16:03:21 flip214: ...why do you even have a list that happens to be dotted like that? 16:04:14 sykopomp: because I get ALISTS, too 16:04:48 -!- leo2007 [~leo@182.48.109.8] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.91.1] 16:05:06 see alexandria:alist-to-plist 16:05:27 Or, as another solution, is there an ITER clause that doesn't stumble upon dotted lists? FOR x IN-DOTTED-LIST ? 16:06:07 CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@138.23.59.162] has joined #lisp 16:06:12 dim: yes, I can do (alist-plist) and (plist-alist), but I'd like to store an ALIST 16:06:37 alexandria:alist-plist apparently yes 16:06:54 -!- leoncamel [~leoncamel@219.142.234.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:07:05 (loop for x on list by #'cdr collect x) might do what you want 16:07:45 -!- xliweinan [~liweinan@123.117.220.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:08:39 (loop for (x . y) on list by #'cddr append (list x y)) is when you already have an alist 16:09:10 zolk3ri [~Zol1ka@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has joined #lisp 16:09:43 append? 16:10:47 werwerwer [~1@158.181.198.78] has joined #lisp 16:11:25 it so append that I'm more tired that I'd like to be 16:11:37 damn. 16:11:44 -!- arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-aoelewfelktsmcho] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:11:52 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@122.236.244.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:13:14 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14:31 -!- daGrevis [~daGrevis@80.232.135.177] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14:59 leo2007 [~leo@182.48.109.8] has joined #lisp 16:15:13 -!- victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has quit [Quit: Leaving IRC - dircproxy 1.2.0] 16:18:24 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:18:47 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 16:20:41 browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.177.80] has joined #lisp 16:21:18 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:21:28 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@dhcp175-196-red3.yandex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22:20 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:23:56 Keshi [~Keshi@unaffiliated/keshi] has joined #lisp 16:25:07 Hi I heard Lisp lacks polymorphism support. Surely, contemporary software engineering projects require this feature? Doesn't that mean Lisp is no good? 16:25:07 stardiviner [~stardivin@122.236.243.90] has joined #lisp 16:25:29 whoever told you that is full of it 16:25:30 P.S. asking this was zolk3ri's idea. 16:25:46 Keshi, you are not Tau. 16:26:04 see defgeneric/defmethod 16:26:07 common lisp has polymorphism 16:26:15 though I don't think it's a required feature 16:26:35 sykopomp: how do you do encapsulation then ? 16:26:35 Keshi: Tau was supposed to come here and get friendly with those guys. :( 16:26:35 Keshi: nobody "requires" polymorphism. it is just one of many implementation techniques. 16:26:52 wbooze: who said anything about encapsulation? 16:26:54 lisp is not a statically typed language, for starters 16:27:04 sykopomp: me! 16:27:07 i'd like to know what "contemporary software engineering" means 16:27:21 wbooze: (lambda () x) <-- encapsulation 16:27:37 snowylike: "Some guy in a cubicle in 2013" 16:27:38 hmmmm 16:27:39 zolk3ri: Fair enough, how is school going anyway? 16:27:56 Keshi: #lispcafe is ---> that way 16:28:47 Keshi, bad. IT exam got me mad and I ragequitted the building. 16:28:52 sykopomp: surely noone's invented a new process paradigm to leverage corporate ressources to produce solutions this year yet? 16:29:05 snowylike: go away 16:29:11 i'd rather not 16:29:42 zolk3ri: Fair enough. 16:30:01 Keshi: http://en.excel-translator.de/category/functions/logical/ 16:30:03 jdz: How do I know you are not just mining users from this channel? You do not look like an op here. 16:30:07 Made my cry. 16:30:28 jdz: can i see your badge, please? 16:30:45 hey, you can't be sensible, unless you're an op! didn't you know that? 16:30:50 H4ns: here *hands H4ns #lisp topic police badge* 16:30:53 #lispcafe is, actually, the official suggested channel[tm] for non-lisp talk 16:31:27 zolk3ri: Fair enough, I never considered things like that particularly difficult. 16:31:41 mjs2600 [~user@50.55.138.247] has joined #lisp 16:31:54 It's not difficult, it's bullsh!t. 16:32:14 k0001 [~k0001@host102.190-138-109.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 16:33:19 zolk3ri: Boolean algebra/logic? It is the foundation of computer science really computer science is very split though apparently some of it is theoretical (discrete maths and all) and some of it has more to do with current technologies and whatever, which is more stock knowledge. 16:33:31 wtf? 16:33:33 zolk3ri: What are you doing it as a part of? 16:33:50 Keshi, zolk3ri: please take this elsewhere. thank you. 16:33:58 -!- ISF [~ivan@189.61.220.247] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:34:00 EarlGray^ [~mitra@78.154.160.117] has joined #lisp 16:34:00 Keshi, lol. 16:34:16 H4ns: :( 16:35:19 -!- EarlGray^ [~mitra@78.154.160.117] has left #lisp 16:35:19 !(A && B), that looks like this in excel: NÃO(E(A; B)) 16:35:27 Keshi: it's worth noting that freenode policy is for ops to not wear their op h@ts unless it becomes necessary. 16:35:30 if you are using portugues, brazil. 16:36:06 xliweinan [~liweinan@123.117.220.36] has joined #lisp 16:36:25 -!- zolk3ri [~Zol1ka@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:36:38 Jambato [~Jambato@2a01:e35:2f15:c40:211:d8ff:fe7d:2c4a] has joined #lisp 16:36:54 zolk3ri [~Zol1ka@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has joined #lisp 16:37:37 sykopomp: You know I can check the access list, right? It does not look like you are an op. 16:37:57 Keshi: how is that relevant? 16:38:02 I am not, no. Do I need to be to ask that you stay ontopic? 16:38:08 brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:38:14 Keshi: you're playing with fire 16:39:25 do people really need an authority figure to knock some sense into themselves? 16:39:56 stassats: children typically do 16:40:00 stassats: Oh, interrupting brief polite conversation is probably not called for at all. 16:40:18 stassats: Nothing zolk3ri or I was a pain. 16:40:24 -!- hydan [~user@ip-89-102-13-27.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:40:38 madnificent: I see, again you're dragging this out a bit. 16:40:38 no, it was just some off-topic nonsense which nobody is interested in 16:40:48 Keshi: please leave now. 16:41:21 which is no big deal, people who actually care about lisp will just leave and never come back 16:41:28 hahaha 16:41:34 H4ns: You psychotic, dude? 16:41:48 H4ns: let's just terminate this. 16:41:53 stassats: why don't you leave? 16:42:12 prxq: do you want me to? 16:42:20 ehu: please. 16:43:13 -!- LWA [~lwa@p54A3AEEE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:43:41 *madnificent* thinks a kick is in order to. Keshi didn't even bother to join #lispcafe where he could discuss further. 16:44:01 kilon_alios [~kilon@188.4.79.42.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr] has joined #lisp 16:44:14 stassats: not necessarily, no. I'd rather prefer you stopped being so agressive, although in this case it was warranted. 16:44:24 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 16:44:31 -!- kilon [~kilon@unaffiliated/thekilon] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:45:07 madnificent: LOL, the conversation already moved channel and you keep bantering about it still. If anything detracts from the channel, your whining does. 16:45:18 whitedawg [~whitedawg@122.179.102.213] has joined #lisp 16:46:10 aggressive? fascinating stuff! 16:46:30 prxq: it is called "honest" 16:46:53 Keshi: then why are you still here? ^_^ 16:47:19 madnificent: Oh I was thinking of learning Prolog but they do not have their own channel AFAIK. 16:47:38 Keshi: you can start one 16:47:58 stassats: No, I think I set some NickServ flag that prevents that. 16:48:08 LWA [~lwa@p54A3AEEE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:48:39 did you try #prolog? it may be ##prolog 16:49:19 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host102.190-138-109.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:49:36 stassats: I tried them all. 16:49:43 H4ns: #lisp is not a personal chat with you or stassats. You guys can keep you sour mood to yourselves. 16:50:27 prxq: ah. now i see, you are to decide what is on-topic, and the classroom chatter of some freshmen pleases you, right? 16:50:28 prxq: it's funny how you selectively pick some instances of topic enforcing, while ignore all the help given to many people 16:50:36 k0001 [~k0001@host78.186-108-160.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 16:50:49 well, can't win them all 16:50:54 ##prolog exists actually 16:50:56 prxq: i think it is more you who's in a sour mood :D 16:51:52 H4ns: it is offtopic though. it isn't about lisp 16:51:53 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:52:01 at least, i don't see the connection 16:52:11 Hi H4ns, remember me, mate?! 16:52:14 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:52:36 sirdancealot1 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 16:53:18 zolk3ri: That is off-topic, it is about lisp, so go away and never come back. 16:53:40 minion: chant? 16:53:41 MORE YOU 16:54:04 minion: chant? 16:54:04 MORE LISP 16:54:39 Keshi: lol 16:54:50 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.220.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 16:55:50 ISF [~ivan@189.61.220.247] has joined #lisp 16:57:56 -!- kanru`` [~kanru@217.243.168.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:58:27 TDT [~user@5317-nat00.eng.uiowa.edu] has joined #lisp 16:58:30 -!- TDT [~user@5317-nat00.eng.uiowa.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:58:38 -!- ISF [~ivan@189.61.220.247] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:58:47 TDT [~user@5317-nat00.eng.uiowa.edu] has joined #lisp 16:59:05 any way to get emacs to have a buffer with the console output of the inferior lisp? sbcl keeps crashing on me and I don't know why 16:59:06 -!- anteres [~travis@ip-64-32-153-82.dsl.lax.megapath.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:59:30 -!- leo2007 [~leo@182.48.109.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:59:38 jasom: a remote one? 16:59:48 oh wait, I found it, it just wasn't in the Buffers menu 16:59:57 aha "Heap exhausted, game over" 17:00:19 whoa, that's a tiny default for heap size 1GB? 17:01:24 you can always change it 17:01:33 yup 17:01:45 easier than having it crash by default 17:01:47 for now I'll just pass --dynamic-space-size when I launch it 17:02:07 stassats: was it changed because of tiny ulimits? 17:02:07 ./make.sh --dynamic-space-size will compile it with a different default 17:02:19 przl_ [~przlrkt@p54BD3B79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:02:25 -!- Amoz [~Amoz@nl107-187-231.student.uu.se] has left #lisp 17:02:54 ccl defaults to something like half a TB on 64 bit systems 17:03:24 it used to be 8GB 17:03:28 sbcl, that is 17:03:34 regarding that, will something mentioned on the command-line override that default ? i see no indication of my command-line --dynamic-space-size specs getting any effects.... 17:03:47 wbooze: where do you put them? 17:03:48 it stays at what i compiled it with..... 17:03:59 after --load? 17:04:09 runtime options have to go before toplevel options 17:04:24 stassats: sometimes in a start script something on my /usr/local/bin/blah.sh and sometimes i try it directly from bash 17:04:49 positionally, not into which file 17:05:07 hmm, ok will have to check if i specify them before toplevel options... 17:05:39 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BD376B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:06:31 -!- Jambato [~Jambato@2a01:e35:2f15:c40:211:d8ff:fe7d:2c4a] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:07:04 Tau [~Euler@189-127-59-174.i-next.psi.br] has joined #lisp 17:07:20 Keshi 17:07:56  17:08:13 zolk3ri: Well, your mission is accomplished. I guess this means I can sleep now. 17:08:16 Night all. 17:08:53 Tau, if you need any help with Common Lisp, just feel free to ask it here. 17:08:56 Bye Keshi. 17:09:46 -!- kilon_alios is now known as kilon 17:09:47 -!- kilon [~kilon@188.4.79.42.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr] has quit [Changing host] 17:09:47 kilon [~kilon@unaffiliated/thekilon] has joined #lisp 17:10:40 kk 17:10:45 alright. 17:11:26 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 17:11:31 Does anyone have or know of some Lisp code to generate distinct colors? 17:11:32 Tau, don't be shy. Loool. 17:12:10 tcr: i have some here, from a lib, but it errors..... 17:12:43 i get there's on color named #blah....everytime with it.... 17:12:49 s/on/no/ 17:14:33 nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 17:15:36 -!- green_ [~green@dsl-173-206-189-204.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:16:00 -!- przl_ [~przlrkt@p54BD3B79.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:16:14 -!- gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:16:17 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:16:25 tcr: what do you nmean distinct? 17:16:59 I have a lib that does simple color space conversions and I put all the html color names into it too 17:17:54 so it knows (for instance) that "peru" is :srgb '(205/255 133/255 63/255) 17:17:56 ISF [~ivan@189.61.220.247] has joined #lisp 17:18:34 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:18:35 is there anything in the CLHS which (let ((x 10)) (locally (declare (fixnum x)) x)) would say that the declaration is actually misplaced? 17:18:56 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 17:19:16 *stassats* prepares a bug-report for ECL, needs to be as strict as possible for the best chance of success 17:19:56 svs_ [~svs@104-252-AGAVEBB-NM.abq.nm.agavebb.net] has joined #lisp 17:20:28 victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has joined #lisp 17:21:16 stassats: it seems to actually allow (declare (type fixnum x)) to not be in effect for the entire lifetime of the binding, if that's what you're asking 17:21:34 er s/actually/specifically 17:21:39 tcr: I had some code at some point that used HSV and tried to generate points equally-spaced in the cylinder, but it never really worked like I wanted. 17:21:57 jasom: well, ecl just says " Declaration of type FIXNUM was found for not bound variable X" 17:22:00 zolk3ri kk 17:22:11 jasom: i would expect it to be fixnum inside LOCALLY 17:22:18 and whatever outside of it 17:22:25 stassats: that should be fine 17:22:30 Tau, do you like them so far?! 17:22:32 -!- tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:22:39 jasom: well, "should be" is not enough for me! 17:22:50 zolk3ri they don't have round tits and pink lips. but its alright. 17:22:56 stassats: this is specifically covered here http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/d_type.htm 17:23:02 and "a type declaration is valid in all declarations" 17:23:18 Tau, they won't hate you if they don't hate me. 17:23:32 Kenjin [~josesanto@188.250.160.202] has joined #lisp 17:23:37 jasom: "type declarations can be free declarations or bound declarations." is more convincing 17:24:22 zolk3ri its alright. 17:25:49 -!- ehu [~ehu@109.34.220.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:26:47 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #lisp 17:27:36 ykm [~ykm@124.155.255.212] has joined #lisp 17:28:28 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-001-110.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:28:58 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-187-221.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:29:34 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-245-201.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:30:23 adelgado1 [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 17:31:06 sdemarre [~serge@134.176-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 17:33:08 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:33:23 Tau: ask the question here. 17:33:34 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-196-240.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:33:41 (6:33:31 PM) Tau: zolk3ri im shy. 17:33:41 (6:33:32 PM) Tau: you ask it 17:33:43 Damn. 17:33:56 zolk3ri lol 17:33:58 its alright. 17:34:00 i was wondering... 17:34:02 Tau: ask them. :P 17:34:05 if it would work. 17:34:10 i mean 17:34:14 if its possible to do... 17:34:18 So, what do you want? 17:34:19 (defun alpha (var) 17:34:29 (defun beta (var) 17:34:29 two- [~1@c-67-171-131-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:34:32 Tau: paste code to http://paste.lisp.org/new 17:34:32 ;some code 17:34:34 )) 17:34:44 stardiviner okay. 17:34:44 gridaphobe [~user@128.54.35.67] has joined #lisp 17:34:51 then, could i access beta? from alpha? 17:34:54 defun inside a defun is a really bad idea 17:34:59 something like alpha.beta? (from python) 17:35:09 defun defines global functions 17:35:14 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-204-75-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 17:35:17 stardiviner why is it a bad idea at all? 17:35:22 stassats` . 17:35:29 Tau: try flet and labels 17:35:30 because it defines a new global function each time you run it 17:35:40 stassats` interesting. 17:36:00 for local functions, use what Bike said 17:36:18 clhs flet 17:36:18 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/s_flet_.htm 17:36:18 stassats` i see. but is it possible to access these *local functions* outside the local scople of those functions? 17:36:21 clhs labels 17:36:21 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/s_flet_.htm 17:36:38 Tau: you can return it 17:36:54 but by name, no, not possible 17:36:57 stassats` yeah. but i wanna access them outside the code as if they were class in python. 17:37:13 k 17:37:13 that's not how functions are written and used in CL 17:37:20 stop thinking about python 17:37:26 alright. 17:37:27 lol 17:37:31 I told him, I really did. 17:37:43 Tau: Then why not make a class to hold the functions in CL? 17:38:10 -!- fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Quit: fsvehla] 17:38:13 a class don't hold functions in CL, or do you mean explicitly doing so, having functionp slots? 17:38:24 dim: That is exactly what I mean. 17:38:27 sellout- sounds good. 17:38:28 minion: clpython? 17:38:29 clpython: No definition was found in the first 5 lines of http://www.cliki.net/clpython 17:38:46 well, one way to solve it, use python, from cl! 17:38:48 -!- whitedawg [~whitedawg@122.179.102.213] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:39:04 stassats lool 17:40:13 Tau: Oh, are you just trying to do class-based methods? IE, alpha is an object, so alpha.beta is calling the beta function on the alpha instance? 17:40:55 Tau: That's not how CL OO works. We have "generic functions", which allow for multimethods, as opposed to the single-dispatch of languages like Python. 17:41:13 pessoa [~pessoa@188-195-211-39-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 17:41:13 tps_ [~tps_@hoasb-50dd08-36.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 17:43:01 sellout- yeah. 17:43:08 Tau: CL uses packages for collecting related functions and data rather than classes. Classes are typically used for type dispatch and polymorphism 17:43:31 -!- gridaphobe [~user@128.54.35.67] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:43:44 i see. 17:43:55 whats huger in terms of libs? python or scheme 17:44:01 -!- sdemarre [~serge@134.176-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:44:18 you'll probably want to ask that in #python and #scheme 17:44:18 python 17:44:35 oh 17:44:36 i mean 17:44:39 clisp. 17:44:40 not scheme. 17:44:41 haha lol 17:44:43 i'm sorry. 17:44:46 gridaphobe [~user@128.54.35.67] has joined #lisp 17:44:51 i meant what is huger in terms of libs 'python or clisp?' 17:45:06 well, python. 'clisp' is a bad shortened form though 17:45:07 i'd assume python has more libraries than common lisp (clisp is a lisp implementation though) 17:45:10 python 17:45:17 because there's a lisp implementation called clisp 17:45:46 pessoa but isn't common lisp an older lang? 17:46:05 clisp is not that old, and only little used nowaday 17:46:13 Tau: yes. so if you ask which one has the oldest libraries that still work, then lisp would be the answer 17:46:17 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:46:19 the broad masses prefer sbcl or ccl 17:46:26 pessoa but lisp is an old lang i mean. it should hold more libs. 17:46:40 madwilliamflint lol i see. 17:46:47 Tau: Lisp is not as popular as Python. 17:46:53 -!- hitecnologys1 is now known as hitecnologys 17:47:01 no, as you can't use libs of maclisp or symbolic for clisp 17:47:02 *stassats* suggest Tau to work on his nick-completion skills 17:47:06 or use a better irc-client 17:47:11 Spread the word. 17:47:18 Tau: any other questions? 17:47:26 stassats: lol. 17:47:33 Tau: i reccon you asked for a reason 17:47:54 madnificent no other questions. Sir. 17:48:00 :P 17:48:09 its alright. thank you buddies. 17:48:09 there's a python implementation in common lisp, checkmate, pythonists! 17:48:24 Tau: lool 17:48:56 Tau: why do you need lisp if you want to run python in it? 17:49:01 Tau: Eh. There's a good number of decent libs. 17:49:46 python on common lisp is not automatically able to run all libraries of c python or the java vm python 17:50:29 I don't think he wants to run python in it, he just doesn't have the mindset of a lisp programmer. :p 17:51:11 He wants to use some python libraries in CL, right? 17:51:42 hitecnologys lol 17:52:05 hitecnologys no 17:52:07 hitecnologys i don't. 17:52:11 hitecnologys i was just wondering. 17:52:17 which one was huger. 17:52:23 Tau: ok. 17:52:33 Tau is a python programmer and he is trying to figure out how to do things right in Common Lisp, etc. 17:52:38 cryptic [~cryptic@pool-71-125-31-38.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:52:52 zolk3ri LOOOL 17:52:52 tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:52:53 -!- enymo [~user@nat.sierrabravo.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:53:53 A few years ago I was a python programmer too and I still remember some things, lol. 17:54:22 tensorpuddin [~tensorpud@108.87.17.133] has joined #lisp 17:54:26 hitecnologys: help him to transform. 17:54:27 hitecnologys i pray to not forget python. 17:54:28 lol 17:55:18 zolk3ri: I can't, you need to work hard and read lots of code to figure out how to write good code. 17:55:35 Once you know common lisp, what would youi need python for bro 17:55:55 zolk3ri: anyway, that's what I do to become better programmer - read lots of code. 17:56:09 zolk3ri comeon its lisp. 17:56:27 coding you come on its lisp. 17:56:40 What do you mean Tau? 17:56:42 i mean, coding in 'come on its lisp'. 17:56:49 zolk3ri its a subtle joke. 17:56:58 zolk3ri think about it. 17:57:04 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.148.202.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:57:16 Lol, I didn't understand it. =( 17:57:21 MusangKing [~CatMtKing@wireless-mobilenet-169-235-155-229.bulk.ucr.edu] has joined #lisp 17:57:47 come on as in ``common'' probably 17:58:05 Lol. 17:58:50 well. zolk3ri said that 'you don't need python if you know lisp.' like a refurb car seller would say when selling a big ford pick up. 'come on its a ford.' 17:58:59 that was the joke basically. 17:59:04 so, 'come on its lisp'. 17:59:15 common lisp --> come on its lisp. 17:59:21 okay. it wasn't a really funny joke. 17:59:26 oh 17:59:26 lmfao 17:59:42 lol. 17:59:43 -!- adelgado1 is now known as adelgado 18:00:04 löl 18:00:08 -!- CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@138.23.59.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:00:10 Okay. It's time to go to bed. 1 AM is not OK. 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#lisp 18:54:12 M-x exchange-point-and-mark 18:54:14 pessoa: you are wrong wrong wrong again!!! http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/com/informatimago/small-cl-pgms/wang.html 18:54:47 Jambato [~Jambato@2a01:e35:2f15:c40:211:d8ff:fe7d:2c4a] has joined #lisp 18:55:08 puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:56:08 -!- gridaphobe [~user@128.54.35.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:56:16 dim: Lisp is simplier than C, and can generate faster code. 18:56:25 dim: http://cliki.net/Performance 18:57:03 -!- paul0 [~vrsmn@177.41.243.237] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:57:38 tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:01:53 -!- tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:03:02 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 19:03:12 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@72-48-145-180.static.grandenetworks.net] has quit [] 19:05:30 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:06:31 -!- Keshi [~Keshi@unaffiliated/keshi] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 19:06:48 H4ns: out of 100 complaints of off-topicness, 99 come from either you or stassats. It is you who believe you get to decide what this channel is for. 19:07:15 prxq: no, it's /topic 19:07:15 stassats: help + mockery and abuse is a net negative. And you aren't the only one here who knows lisp 19:07:28 prxq: And you're not on topic :-( 19:07:33 -!- yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:07:47 hydan [~user@ip-89-102-13-27.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 19:07:50 prxq: mockery and abuse? are you not mixing me up with someone else? 19:08:14 or are you just predisposed to see in a negative light anything i say? 19:08:22 and i'll stop now, it's off-topic 19:08:29 yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:08:37 -!- yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:08:37 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 19:08:55 take it to #lisp-ontopicp 19:09:33 stassats: no 19:10:04 -!- LWA [~lwa@p54A3AEEE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:12:48 przl [~przlrkt@p54BD3B79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:12:53 -!- Krystof [~user@81.174.155.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:13:22 -!- pessoa [~pessoa@188-195-211-39-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Started wasting time elsewhere] 19:16:27 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:16:54 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 19:17:17 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BD3B79.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:17:36 LWA [~lwa@p54A3AEEE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:19:51 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 19:22:41 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 19:22:43 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@h178-129-94-40.dyn.bashtel.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:26:13 killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has joined #lisp 19:26:41 -!- karswell_ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:32:39 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@188.250.160.202] has quit [Quit: Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/] 19:33:17 can I just say that I hate the builtin pathname library? "Oops, you wanted to do something to a file with #\* in the name, you lose" 19:33:30 jasom: you're preaching to a choir 19:33:38 Is there an alternative? 19:33:49 iolib pathnames 19:34:23 stassats: ooh, is there anything iolib *can't* do? 19:34:34 run well on windows, i guess? 19:34:46 getting a new release? 19:34:53 wink-wink 19:34:58 handle 40,000 timers 19:35:29 have up-to-date documentation 19:36:04 touché 19:36:05 :) 19:36:15 dlowe: still got problems with timers ? 19:36:17 *jasom* doesn't care about windows for the moment 19:36:40 where is the bathname stuff; iolib.base? 19:36:57 karswell_ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 19:37:20 iolib.pathnames 19:38:04 fe[nl]ix: well, I stopped working on that project 19:38:21 fe[nl]ix: but even before then, it was probably more reasonable to batch them up under a single timer 19:38:30 which is what I ended up doing 19:38:40 at ITA ? 19:38:43 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-78-66.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:38:49 jasom: that's my new favorite typo 19:38:56 no, this was a personal project 19:39:03 haha 19:39:27 is it like bathsalts, makes you crazy or whatever? 19:39:48 cic_ [~connolly@Catnip.AI.SRI.COM] has joined #lisp 19:39:59 hmm, nothing in iolib.pathnames to make one path relative to another, is there :( (like osicat:unmerge-pathnames) 19:40:33 iolib.pathnames:enough-file-path? 19:40:53 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:40:58 stassats: ooh, thanks I didn't see it came with an optional defaults arg 19:42:02 -!- ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 19:42:20 ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has joined #lisp 19:43:25 -!- tvaal is now known as tvaalen 19:47:15 any ideas why (format t "~r" *x*) would work for 1.0e32 but not for 1.0? (type-of *x*) is saying single-float in both cases (ccl, sbcl tested. on lw it does not work) 19:47:38 hydan: what's the symptom? 19:48:49 hydan: it shouldn't work in either case 19:50:12 "the argument should be an integer" 19:51:25 stassats: i saw ~r needs an integer, but sure enough it prints the english for 1.0e32 on ccl/sbcl 19:51:41 hydan: i'll fix sbcl to provide an error 19:54:20 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:54:43 -!- LAMMJohnson [~john@user-5AF432F7.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:54:54 -!- AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@99-136-83-34.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:55:30 LAMMJohnson [~john@user-5AF432F7.broadband.tesco.net] has joined #lisp 19:57:59 tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:58:25 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 20:00:14 elixey [~eilyx@gateway/tor-sasl/eilyx] has joined #lisp 20:00:20 -!- sdemarre [~serge@134.176-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:00:44 pjb: you should try to improve the results of http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/ maybe sometime 20:02:31 -!- _d3f [~freedo@nl2.ovpn.to] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:36 -!- tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:03:50 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 20:04:51 -!- xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-102-242.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:07:34 -!- LAMMJohnson [~john@user-5AF432F7.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:07:52 LAMMJohnson [~john@user-5AF432F7.broadband.tesco.net] has joined #lisp 20:08:06 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@116.26.22.140] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 20:13:10 przl [~przlrkt@p54BD3B79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:16:37 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:17:02 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 20:17:19 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BD3B79.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:23:20 -!- LAMMJohnson [~john@user-5AF432F7.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:24:13 -!- Jambato [~Jambato@2a01:e35:2f15:c40:211:d8ff:fe7d:2c4a] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:24:18 LAMMJohnson [~john@user-5AF432F7.broadband.tesco.net] has joined #lisp 20:25:37 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-72-66-99-183.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:26:03 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c3dce.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:26:19 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c3dce.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 20:26:38 dim: I don't care about execution speed: nowadays, processors are fast enough. 20:26:56 until they aren't 20:27:00 dim: I'd be more impressed about reasonning ability of programs. I'd bet on lisp programs. 20:27:10 snits [~snits@inet-hqmc01-o.oracle.com] has joined #lisp 20:28:07 saying that processors are fast enough only makes you irrelevant in that very discussion, pjb 20:28:19 hydan: ok, fixed in SBCL 20:28:32 hydan: also for ~c, as a bonus 20:28:32 you might have observed a certain trend in the typical size of the data sets that programs are processing 20:28:57 and you might have realized that the data set size grows faster than the memory banks and the CPU capacity... 20:29:14 i bet there can be instituted more checks to the format, but i got frustrated with the lack of declarativeness after the two 20:29:48 and written it off as "i should improve format infrastructure first" 20:31:23 dim: if the data sets are growing faster than memory banks, then it won't be processor bound but I/O bound, and then processor speed or implementation speed is even less relevant! 20:31:38 what I find somewhat worrying is that java7 is so much faster 20:31:39 recently some people from MIT started researching cache-oblivious algorithms - it's really worth taking a look at 20:31:48 ...than sbcl 20:31:52 dim: https://gist.github.com/2841832 20:32:04 -!- LAMMJohnson [~john@user-5AF432F7.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:32:13 Joreji [~thomas@87-096.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 20:32:41 LAMMJohnson [~john@user-5AF432F7.broadband.tesco.net] has joined #lisp 20:32:51 yeah. I wouldn't say that having to process more data in the same amount of time makes the software performances characteristics less relevant, event with that numbers in hand 20:32:57 well, it's not _that_ much faster, but certainly significantly faster 20:33:09 but I get your answer pjb, it's ok 20:33:13 it's good to hear that you don't care about performance, but that's hardly insightful 20:33:46 stassats: but dim just confirmed I was right. 20:34:07 did I 20:34:13 -!- karswell_ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:34:32 You said: "the data set size grows faster than the memory banks and the CPU capacity..." 20:34:35 normanrichards [~normanric@72-48-145-180.static.grandenetworks.net] has joined #lisp 20:34:45 I though I said I respect your opinion and won't ask you about performances ever again 20:36:49 snearch [~snearch@g225150161.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 20:39:23 the new ASDF is ready at long last 20:39:51 let's test it 20:39:51 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:39:59 it has packages quick-build style 20:40:08 though no builtin quick-build support yet 20:40:16 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:41:25 where's asdf.lisp? 20:41:33 make tmp/asdf.lisp 20:41:38 oh boy 20:41:39 Fare: what is quick-build? 20:41:40 yeah, I need to improve on that 20:42:05 let me move it back to asdf/ 20:42:30 when you thought it can't become any more complex 20:42:44 I had a separate one when the two versions coexisted 20:42:46 37 passing and 4 failing 20:42:52 uh oh -- what implementation? 20:42:56 sbcl 20:43:02 interesting. Which version? 20:43:07 it works for me. 20:43:09 git 20:43:15 hi 20:43:20 can you send me a log? I'll update my sbcl in the meantime 20:43:44 oh -- the encodings test requires asdf-encodings to be present. 20:43:50 I'll fix that. 20:43:53 pnpuff [~Dioxirane@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 20:44:27 karswell_ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 20:44:56 present where? 20:45:13 -!- ubii [~ubii@unaffiliated/ubii] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:45:44 ubii [~ubii@184.21.196.19] has joined #lisp 20:45:44 -!- ubii [~ubii@184.21.196.19] has quit [Changing host] 20:45:44 ubii [~ubii@unaffiliated/ubii] has joined #lisp 20:45:57 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-95-84-141-55.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #lisp 20:46:36 ASDF could not load sb-bsd-sockets because Invalid designator for an absolute pathname: #P"". 20:47:44 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:48:16 and i can't clone asdf-encodings, "did you run git update-server-info on the server?" 20:49:08 oh, it's r/projects now 20:49:17 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.220.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:49:58 although /project/ works for asdf 20:50:44 findiggle1 [~kirkwood@67.40.30.237] has joined #lisp 20:50:50 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Quit: bye] 20:51:06 -!- findiggle [~kirkwood@173-10-106-172-BusName-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:51:21 segv-_ [~mb@dslb-088-075-128-048.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 20:51:39 -!- segv- [~mb@dslb-088-075-128-048.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:51:40 -!- segv-_ is now known as segv- 20:52:03 stassats: git://common-lisp.net/projects/asdf/asdf-encodings.git ? 20:52:23 -!- `fogus [~fogus@freedom.d-a-s.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:52:26 yes, i figured the correct one 20:52:55 http://codepad.org/oXnqpYmE 20:53:07 did i factore it well 20:53:21 that's scheme 20:53:31 goto #scheme 20:53:54 looool 20:54:11 gridaphobe [~user@128.54.48.56] has joined #lisp 20:54:59 Fare: so, (require 'sb-posix) fails with Invalid designator for an absolute pathname: #P"". 20:55:16 i do use asdf:enable-asdf-binary-locations-compatibility 20:55:31 -!- karswell_ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:57:16 -!- LAMMJohnson [~john@user-5AF432F7.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:58:15 stassats, ok, I didn't test ABL compatibility. Let me try. 20:58:18 LAMMJohnson [~john@user-5AF432F7.broadband.tesco.net] has joined #lisp 20:58:18 Fare: alright, my config doesn't matter 20:58:40 tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:58:41 sh ./run-sbcl.sh (load asdf.lisp), (require 'sb-posix) => error 20:58:55 *Fare* considers whether to merge the asdf-encodings git into the asdf git 20:59:06 stassats, that's no good. 21:00:19 Jambato [~Jambato@2a01:e35:2f15:c40:211:d8ff:fe7d:2c4a] has joined #lisp 21:01:00 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-204-75-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [] 21:02:07 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 21:02:08 Is there a quicklispable library that can do something along the lines of ruby's iconv: conv.iconv('ASCII//translit//ignore', 'UTF-8', )? 21:02:31 antoszka: babel? 21:02:35 (converts characters with diacritics to it's plain ascii base characters) 21:02:43 jasom: i'll have a look 21:02:53 it may not be able to do it 21:03:12 ruby? 21:03:14 -!- tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:03:40 oh, I see: it's a matter of (sb-int:sbcl-homedir-pathname) 21:03:40 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:03:59 stassats: is that a relative pathname to you? 21:04:15 absolute 21:04:17 also, truenamize fails to merge "" with the current directory, it seems 21:04:51 I see a bug in source-registry that doesn't use the new (lisp-implementation-directory) function 21:05:49 karswell_ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 21:05:53 why do i need to run make? can't i just check in the its result? 21:05:57 antoszka: for sbcl and cmucl there are iconv bindings, though I've never used them 21:06:39 jasom: I'll see what I can squueze out of babel first. Then I'll look at the bindings. Thx. 21:08:06 antoszka: I imagine if you decomposed the unicode character, you could get something close to right 21:08:13 :) 21:08:36 but babel doesn't have unicode decompositions 21:09:28 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.204.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:10:16 no, the problem is that default-directory is now #p"" 21:10:38 and "" is not a real path 21:10:46 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-95-84-141-55.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:11:25 Fare: are you able to reproduce it? 21:11:32 i can send the backtrace 21:12:06 yes 21:12:07 I can 21:12:10 sorry about that 21:12:19 -!- beaumonta is now known as abeaumont 21:12:19 apparently, my test suite doesn't cover such a simple case 21:12:26 I'll add more cases to the test suite 21:12:27 well, that's why i was testing it 21:12:39 and I thank you a lot for it! 21:13:09 well! 21:14:27 jasom: Can't find anything iconv related in sbcl itself. 21:14:35 There's an iconv wrapper in quicklisp. 21:14:37 Though. 21:14:39 -!- pnpuff [~Dioxirane@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: Greensleeves...] 21:14:40 interestingly, (truename "") is an error 21:14:53 there's sb-ext:run-program 21:15:02 -!- knob [~knob@76.76.202.244] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:15:04 it can run iconv(1) 21:17:11 -!- LAMMJohnson [~john@user-5AF432F7.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:17:46 antoszka: according to the cliki page it only works reliably on sbcl and cmucl 21:17:52 (the iconv in quicklisp) 21:17:54 LAMMJohnson [~john@user-5AF432F7.broadband.tesco.net] has joined #lisp 21:17:58 right 21:18:28 -!- victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has quit [Quit: Leaving IRC - dircproxy 1.2.0] 21:19:06 -!- mjs2600 [~user@50.55.138.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:24:33 OK, iconv:iconv seems to be able to do the trick, now I need to coerce an utf8 string to a vector of bytes. 21:25:43 antoszka: babel can do that 21:26:04 cool 21:29:38 yeah, works 21:29:39 CL-USER> (iconv:iconv "utf8" "ascii//translit//ignore" (babel:string-to-octets "zaó" :encoding :UTF-8)) 21:29:42 #(122 97 122 111 108 99) 21:29:44 T 21:29:47 CL-USER> (babel:octets-to-string *) 21:29:50 "zazolc" 21:29:56 sorry about the noise 21:33:08 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:33:30 billstclair [~billstcla@p-68-237-140-232.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 21:33:30 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@p-68-237-140-232.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:33:30 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 21:34:05 nice, chuj antoszka! :p 21:34:08 Hi, How do I initialise an array of initialised objects? http://paste.lisp.org/display/134555 21:34:17 so that the last line, works 21:34:57 clhs make-array 21:34:58 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_mk_ar.htm 21:35:09 samebchase: you probably want :initial-element 21:35:17 that's one long line 21:35:23 heh 21:35:43 -!- Guest191` [~user@212.110.167.245] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:35:46 jasom: probably not 21:36:43 I want to have a list/array of objects for which I can map a solve function across 21:36:48 burtonlang_ [a9e9dfbb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.169.233.223.187] has joined #lisp 21:37:16 is that how it's meant to be done? 21:37:36 samebchase: just collect them into a list (no need to make an array here that I see) 21:37:53 samebchase: if you you have a list, you can call (map #'your-function your-list) not sure where your problem lies 21:38:12 jasom: http://paste.lisp.org/display/134555#1 21:38:15 eh 21:38:16 samebchase: http://paste.lisp.org/display/134555#1 21:38:54 -!- burtonlang_ [a9e9dfbb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.169.233.223.187] has quit [Client Quit] 21:38:59 stassats: you forgot to pass puzlle to row-strings-to-puzzle 21:39:07 stassats: nice. 21:39:29 burtonlang_ [8072a454@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.114.164.84] has joined #lisp 21:40:05 and why is group-into recursive? 21:40:46 I tried doing with iterate/loop, but couldn't figure out how 21:40:48 -!- nikodem [~mikey@user-109-243-28-56.play-internet.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:41:19 is that very slow or something? 21:41:26 samebchase: http://paste.lisp.org/display/134555#2 21:41:34 samebchase: it's not safe 21:41:48 -!- LAMMJohnson [~john@user-5AF432F7.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:42:25 LAMMJohnson [~john@user-5AF432F7.broadband.tesco.net] has joined #lisp 21:43:02 that looks a lot better 21:43:39 eh, i didn't insert the proper line breaks while copying from the yesterday's logs 21:43:53 AeroNotix [~xeno@abov90.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 21:44:19 but you get the idea 21:44:22 Hey, so I've just started trying to learn lisp, and I've written a little function that isn't doing what I want it to. 21:44:23 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44:23 what do you mean by not safe? 21:44:25 -!- gridaphobe [~user@128.54.48.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:44:28 http://paste.lisp.org/display/134556 21:44:34 samebchase: it can easily overflow the stack 21:44:54 burtonlang_: what do you want it to do? 21:45:02 at what sizes does that usually happen? 21:45:20 Well, I was expecting it to print the argument of the function, and then wait for input. 21:45:24 But it waits for input first. 21:45:25 samebchase: at any 21:45:37 ok - should asdf try to load stuff from the current directory? 21:45:40 burtonlang_: try (finish-output) after format 21:45:53 or just a new-line with ~% 21:45:54 burtonlang_: finish-output (or output a newline at the end of format) 21:46:34 Fare: i add *d-p-d* to asdf:*central-registry*, so, for me - yes 21:46:43 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:46:53 Awesome! Thanks, guys. 21:47:26 ok - what about people who don't explicitly add it? 21:47:29 -!- zolk3ri [~Zol1ka@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:47:42 change it and wait for complaints 21:48:22 will do 21:48:26 *jasom* personally think it shouldn't, but the number of times I run a lisp image with an .asd file in the cwd is vanishingly small 21:48:32 the file "implementation.lisp" is misnamed. 21:48:59 Shall I call it "compatibility.lisp" ? "paper-over-broken-implementations.lisp" ? 21:49:42 cltl3.lisp ;) 21:49:53 Krystof [~user@81.174.155.115] has joined #lisp 21:52:59 meh 21:53:58 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 21:55:05 Fare: cltl003, for futureproofing ;) 21:55:14 -!- burtonlang_ [8072a454@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.114.164.84] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:55:25 sellout-: does it have a license to kill? 21:56:20 -!- gigamonkey [~textual@64.124.192.210] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:56:49 license to kill: http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/08/23/isaac-asimov-warned-us-about-combat-drones/ 21:59:03 tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:00:19 gigamonkey [~textual@64.124.192.210] has joined #lisp 22:02:19 green_ [~green@dsl-173-206-189-204.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 22:02:33 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 22:03:37 -!- rdqfdx [~rdqfdx@78.90.88.244] has quit [Quit: terminated!] 22:03:51 -!- tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:05:01 bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:05:52 -!- LAMMJohnson [~john@user-5AF432F7.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:05:58 LAMMJohn1on [~john@user-5AF432F7.broadband.tesco.net] has joined #lisp 22:06:02 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m37-3-63-237.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: The Garbage Collector got me...] 22:06:48 -!- sawgij [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:07:18 worstadmin [~worst@174.141.213.1] has joined #lisp 22:07:25 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:07:27 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:07:37 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:08:29 -!- plains [zchr@unaffiliated/plains] has left #lisp 22:13:19 -!- tps_ [~tps_@hoasb-50dd08-36.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: tps_] 22:14:31 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:16:15 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c3dce.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:16:20 zolk3ri1 [~Zol1ka@catv-89-132-196-182.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 22:16:40 hi 22:17:18 Fare: how about 'common-lisp.lisp' .. so all the features that lisp should have in common .. what a great idea! :P 22:17:41 common.lisp? 22:17:53 common-li.sp 22:18:54 just takes $150k for a TLD (: 22:19:02 almost free 22:19:09 ohh .. how about file.cl ? :) 22:19:19 I'd love it. 22:19:55 -!- snearch [~snearch@g225150161.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:19:56 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:20:18 antifuchs: heh .. I bought a TLD the other day, simply to hold a mailing list that is currently on cl-net ... common-lisp.pro :) 22:22:23 who prefers what symbol completion in slime: slime-fuzzy-symbol or slime-fuzzy-complete-symbol? 22:22:23 antonv, memo from pjb: sorry, when I said "step 9", I meant "step 10". 22:22:53 i ment slime-complete-symbol or slime-fuzzy-complete-symbol 22:22:54 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:23:00 slime-fuzzy, of course 22:23:15 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:24:17 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [] 22:24:32 -!- fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Quit: fsvehla] 22:25:41 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 22:26:25 I also more used to fuzzy completion 22:27:17 But at the moment I have only slime-complete-symbol available 22:28:13 maybe someone knows, when the completion buffer appears, it doesn't have focus. In order to move cursor to it I must press C-o 22:28:15 is it normal? 22:28:37 I mean C-x o 22:28:49 what is the difference between C-tab and M-tab ... I use both and they are different for sure, just no idea what each one does by name :) 22:29:11 antonv: why is only slime-complete-symbol available? 22:29:39 fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 22:31:02 I am experimenting with my own package aliasing approach, it works, but slime doesn not understand the aliases. I managed to fix that for slime-complete-symbol, but not for slime-fuzzy-complete-symbol 22:31:05 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 22:31:19 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 22:33:02 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-245-201.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:33:12 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:34:02 tcr [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:35:01 what's package aliasing? 22:35:57 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 22:37:35 "Lisp can be incredibly harmful to those seeking to learn and use it. The most common illnesses and conditions associated with it are parentheses eye, diarrhea and Communism. In severe cases, it is possible for the victim to develop extreme dementia andschizophrenia, as well as an ambulatory disorder which causes them to always walk in simple curved paths, unable to follow a straight line." 22:37:36 lol 22:38:12 -!- myx [~myx@pppoe-211-174-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:38:28 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 22:39:35 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-001-110.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:41:01 Fare: it's a solution to name packages by short names - serves the same goal as your package-renamings 22:42:52 Fare: package aliasing will be a big part of my 'cltl3' 22:43:36 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 22:43:47 or rather, the base by which package aliasing must have in order to work will be a part of cltl3 22:44:50 I just discovered that SETF symbol frobbing can several prevent package renaming on CCL 22:45:04 -!- zolk3ri1 [~Zol1ka@catv-89-132-196-182.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:45:18 Bacteria [~Bacteria@dyn-130-194-155-36.its.monash.edu.au] has joined #lisp 22:46:08 antonv, I'll gladly hand you the keys to package-renamings and/or tell people to use your variant, if you're using and maintaining it 22:50:33 Fare: I invented different approach few days ago 22:51:09 Wait a sec, I will commit a README, it contains comparison with package-renaming 22:51:24 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Must not waste too much time here...] 22:52:01 -!- ubii [~ubii@unaffiliated/ubii] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:52:59 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 22:54:41 nice 22:54:46 where is the repo? 22:56:33 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:57:12 -!- TDT [~user@5317-nat00.eng.uiowa.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:58:02 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abov90.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 22:58:57 https://github.com/cl-test-grid/cl-test-grid/tree/dev/local-package-aliases 22:59:18 tcr1 [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:00:36 peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 23:00:44 Fare: I tend to use http://www.cliki.net/cl-package-aliases when I experiment with such things. Lately, well, I prefer the long form... but still aliases and hierarchial packages are on my TODO 23:00:45 it's a draft of README, and I see github breaks formatting in the example of ASDF system with :around-compile. But you know what :around-compile is 23:03:41 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:04:37 ubii [~ubii@207-119-123-149.stat.centurytel.net] has joined #lisp 23:04:37 -!- ubii [~ubii@207-119-123-149.stat.centurytel.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:04:37 ubii [~ubii@unaffiliated/ubii] has joined #lisp 23:04:54 drewc: check the link I posted, what do you think? 23:06:02 I already checked it, before I pasted what I use. I pasted what I use because of what I think ... which is negative enough that I will not say it here :) 23:06:49 critics is welcome 23:06:56 constructive critics ... 23:07:21 disadvantage of cl-package-aliases is that it's not portable 23:07:25 well, let me put it this way: I am not interested in adding to the syntax at all 23:07:35 otherwise, if it was CL native solution it would be good 23:08:12 -!- worstadmin [~worst@174.141.213.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:09:06 drewc: yes I understand you, but have you noticed that this syntax extension only works in the packages that defined aliases? The code which does't use aliases is not affected - the syntax remains the same 23:09:09 neither are threads/sockets/pathnames, etc ... yet I use them all, so portability is not a requirement of mine, and I do not need to go back 20 years or so to when ANSI Common lisp came to be 23:10:16 drewc: I see 23:11:12 and, I do not like added syntax, and i use $ to start of my macros and FEXPs because of Kernel basically, so do not like something that I cannot use as such either. 23:11:43 ok 23:12:01 I fixed some typos in readme, so those who read it may want to refresh page 23:12:21 drewc: do you have FEXPs in CL? 23:12:25 somehow? 23:12:56 yes/no 23:13:35 we have macros. 23:14:11 I do, yes, based on my design of them for Kernel. However, we have macros as pjb said. 23:14:19 -!- LWA [~lwa@p54A3AEEE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:14:21 MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-173-67-109-10.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:16:47 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@212.233.134.172] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:04 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-90.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:34 -!- karswell_ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20:20 -!- sirdancealot1 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:21:19 Jubb [~ghost@pool-108-28-62-61.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:23:53 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:24:14 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:24:38 as for using $ - another symbol is allowed, $ is just the default 23:24:47 unicode [~user@168.28.77.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 23:25:04 btw, I wasn't sure what character to chose to be the macro char 23:26:11 -!- unicode [~user@168.28.77.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has left #lisp 23:26:21 -!- toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:27:19 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:27:45 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 23:28:34 antonv: where is the git repo for that? The url I copy/pasted failed 23:28:50 Fare: you can't open the paeg? 23:28:51 page? 23:28:52 karswell_ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 23:28:55 web page 23:29:27 wakeup [~max@xdsl-89-0-72-183.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:29:54 google also finds https://github.com/dbmcclain/useful-macros/blob/master/package-aliases.lisp 23:29:55 Is there a version of FLET that accepts lambdas? 23:29:55 wakeup, memo from drewc: http://drewc.org/interface/monads.html section 5 is the new smug, and the docs will use that when I start on the new smug itself... As for FDL, I can likely to that today if that is what you want ... It does need a license regardless 23:30:04 antonv, for your package alias thing 23:31:06 tps_ [~tps_@hoasb-50dd08-36.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 23:31:30 Fare: the link I posted is a web interface of the git repo - it displays README in the browser 23:31:44 -!- hydan [~user@ip-89-102-13-27.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:32:28 I am looking for a LET like macro for (setf (symbol-function ...) ...) 23:33:03 Fare: it is git repor of cl-test-grid - I haven't created a separate repo for local-package-aliases yet 23:33:12 will try to use it myself for a while 23:33:20 ok 23:33:28 if you want to checkoit: git clone -b dev https://github.com/cl-test-grid/cl-test-grid.git 23:33:31 brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:33:38 and then see the directory local-package-aliases 23:35:24 what bothers me most is slime completion support - I am very used to slime completion 23:35:25 sirdancealot1 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 23:35:55 gridaphobe [~user@128.54.43.247] has joined #lisp 23:36:15 -!- kilon [~kilon@unaffiliated/thekilon] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36:22 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:37:47 francogrex [~user@109.134.229.110] has joined #lisp 23:38:15 -!- maxm- [~user@unaffiliated/maxm] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:38:22 maxm- [~user@unaffiliated/maxm] has joined #lisp 23:39:14 hormone [~user@0279617b.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 23:39:46 -!- snits [~snits@inet-hqmc01-o.oracle.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:42:59 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 23:46:43 jimlek22 [~user@209.119.38.228] has joined #lisp 23:46:54 -!- sirdancealot1 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:47:53 -!- gigamonkey [~textual@64.124.192.210] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:52:08 -!- barik [~barik@short.csc.ncsu.edu] has left #lisp 23:52:08 -!- Tau [~Euler@189-127-59-174.i-next.psi.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:52:51 gigamonkey [~textual@64.124.192.210] has joined #lisp 23:54:21 -!- hormone [~user@0279617b.bb.sky.com] has left #lisp 23:56:30 honkfestival [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 23:56:43 -!- Jambato [~Jambato@2a01:e35:2f15:c40:211:d8ff:fe7d:2c4a] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:59:38 tcr1 [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp