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joined #lisp 07:21:03 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:21:16 seangrove [~user@74.113.221.59] has joined #lisp 07:21:49 good morning 07:22:48 is this the correct way to convert sockaddr_in->sin_addr to something like '(127 0 0 1) ? http://paste.lisp.org/display/134496 07:23:07 whitedawg [~whitedawg@122.172.179.170] has joined #lisp 07:23:27 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:24:10 kiuma: you can use ldb for more directness 07:24:59 thanks Bike ! 07:25:22 I was pretty sure it was a bad conversion :) 07:26:28 kiuma: if ldb didn't exist it would still probably be better to take a byte at a time with shifting and masking and such. 07:26:30 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-ovmjbyouqbgqrdsk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:27:16 Bike, I wasn't sure there was the possibility to shift bytes in CL 07:27:23 I didn't ckeck 07:27:42 ash (arithmetic shift), truncate, multiplication, etc 07:28:02 nikodem 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but CL is /flexible/ 07:51:38 Yes, bit makes definitely more sense :) 07:51:51 but ldb loads a byte! (: 07:51:55 "adjacent bits within an integer" (: 07:52:08 sure, you can have a 1-bit byte 07:54:35 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 07:55:16 now I have another problem I have a grovel file with (cunion in6-addr "struct in6_addr" "An IPv6 address." (addr8 "s6_addr" :type :uint8 :count :auto)) 07:55:52 how can I know its size ? 07:56:52 watching inside netinet/in.h doesn't help much 07:57:48 ahhh, sigh 07:58:01 I thought groveling figures out the sizes of unions / structs for you by asking the c compiler? 07:58:17 (not sure what groveler that is? cffi?) 07:58:55 Sizur [~eugene@50-193-2-233-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 07:59:01 I don't understand... In the morning my brain works better :) yesterday I simply/blindly copyed now I clearly see uint8_t __u6_addr8[16]; 07:59:11 antifuchs, yes cffi 07:59:27 so count is 16 and not auto 07:59:32 :) 08:00:06 haha, brills (: 08:00:56 well I think in an hour or too I'll switch to supidity mode. 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But they are a bit younger. 09:36:54 -!- cic_ [~connolly@Catnip.AI.SRI.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:38:21 thing is that I won't be there to help her discovering, so chances of success are very low, and I need to be able to follow up on email and phone only (we're 500 km apart) 09:38:39 so no visual experiments for me 09:38:58 You could maybe try to set up a remote desktop thing? 09:41:12 ahah, I already see the hours flying away, but well, setting that up without plunking a big hole into their home internet access security will be loads of fun 09:41:14 I'd bypass 09:41:15 Amoz [~Amoz@nl107-187-231.student.uu.se] has joined #lisp 09:42:57 brguy [~idonteven@177.17.151.186] has joined #lisp 09:42:59 I think there's screen-sharing stuff in Skype nowadays? 09:43:09 I don't think it lets you control her screen, but it would let you see it. 09:43:20 mmm, absolutely, that'd be the way to do it, you're right 09:43:27 well, we'll see 09:43:42 cic_ [~connolly@Catnip.AI.SRI.COM] has joined #lisp 09:43:56 I would have prefered CCL or some other Open Source lisp to be available with an IDE on windows, of course, but well 09:44:18 or I could learn myself racket, too, I guess 09:44:59 abeaumont [~abeaumont@127.Red-88-23-188.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 09:46:38 dim: screen-sharing on skype is nice....occassionally i help my cousin that way....he is using Java :/ 09:46:41 I knew someone in college who had learned programming through scheme originally, he completely trounced me in functional programming stuff 09:47:06 dim: pair programmming on a remote server that has tmux running, using any voice program, is nice. I've done it with emacs+slime 09:47:44 Vivitron: that's an option for later :) 09:47:51 dim: screen-sharing on skype is like one step away from sitting next to eachother 09:48:31 sounds good yes 09:49:05 yeah, a friend of mine does that to help her friends with computer issues, it works well 09:49:23 -!- brguy [~idonteven@177.17.151.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:49:35 I want to manage to avoid being the computer guy, we'll see 09:51:25 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 09:52:17 brguy [~idonteven@177.17.148.15] has joined #lisp 09:52:38 dim: yeah i wouldn't screen-share trouble shoot haha 09:52:56 dim: never do for free what other people charge for 09:53:19 i suppose not never...but you get the idea 09:53:40 do you ask an astronaut to know how to repair a telescope? I don't know how to repair a computer, and I've never been using windows anyway... 09:55:00 dim: remniscent of the first SICP lecture, something like "computer science is not about computers, no more than astronomy is about telescopes, or biology is about microscopes" 09:57:08 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-226-117.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:58:17 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-226-117.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:58:30 protist: and it's not a science 09:58:31 -!- whitedawg [~whitedawg@122.172.179.170] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:58:34 -!- setmeaway [setmeaway3@118.45.149.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:59:24 jdz: yep...it really seems like a mixture between math, philosophy, and linguistics....at least to me 09:59:47 protist: i was continuing the SICP lecture 09:59:53 jdz: i know :) 10:00:07 -!- teslalam` [~user@174-28-177-243.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 10:00:44 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:01:07 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.214.170.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:02:13 dim: the friend I know who does that actually does IT though, so it's not quite that. on the other hand my parents would constantly enlist me for computer-fixing duty before I ran off to college 10:03:45 at that time my answer was always "the only way I know how to fix it is to install linux on it and show you how to use linux" 10:03:52 it got me out of trouble every time 10:04:00 and it was true, anyway 10:06:09 my mom is always asking me for help with websites and forms on them....and half the time, the problem isn't her haha 10:07:41 cdidd [~cdidd@95-27-180-254.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 10:07:43 incf dim. though that resulted in my windows knowledge being sub-par. 10:08:01 -!- cfy is now known as ilisp 10:08:08 mine is non existant, and I live very well without any windows knowledge, up to now 10:08:47 maybe you could find a channel where bantering about one's own ignorance is on-topic? 10:09:01 when i got my new computer in the mail...i immediately completely wiped Windows off and installed Linux 10:09:24 H4ns: yeah, let's get back to talking about our CL ignorances 10:09:36 dim: i'd appreciate that, thank you. 10:09:51 H4ns: alright...i know nothing about CL, i just do some Scheme 10:10:15 protist: #scheme is there => 10:10:43 well, you can ignore me, too. :) 10:11:28 hehe 10:11:49 but they don't talk about not knowing Windows in #scheme :/ 10:12:03 you can start a trend. 10:12:12 i'm pretty sure they'll appreciate your impulse. 10:12:48 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 10:13:18 #emacs is off-topic friendly 10:13:26 that's where I got my bad habits :) 10:14:03 Jambato [~Jambato@2a01:e35:2f15:c40:211:d8ff:fe7d:2c4a] has joined #lisp 10:15:28 -!- Gooder [~user@218.69.12.194] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:21:33 add^_ [~add^_@m37-3-63-237.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 10:25:11 dim: #lispcafe is for noize 10:25:52 any alternatives to montezuma for text indexing. does anyone have Xapian bindings laying around, for instance? 10:29:16 did you try PostgreSQL Full Text Search yet? :) 10:30:40 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f755881.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 10:33:33 -!- Jambato [~Jambato@2a01:e35:2f15:c40:211:d8ff:fe7d:2c4a] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:36:05 -!- Longlius [~Longlius@68.170.238.146] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 10:36:11 -!- bjorkintosh [~bjork@ip68-13-229-200.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:36:12 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 10:36:14 Longlius [~Longlius@68.170.238.146] has joined #lisp 10:37:02 dim: i don't use an sql database 10:37:13 (at least not in this project) 10:41:33 yet:) 10:43:39 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-226-117.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:46:18 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-116.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:47:14 -!- Longlius [~Longlius@68.170.238.146] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 10:47:30 Longlius [~Longlius@68.170.238.146] has joined #lisp 10:52:35 -!- Longlius [~Longlius@68.170.238.146] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 10:52:43 Longlius [~Longlius@68.170.238.146] has joined #lisp 11:02:56 Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.13.32.244] has joined #lisp 11:03:40 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.158.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 11:08:37 whitedawg [~whitedawg@122.179.56.40] has joined #lisp 11:09:51 agumonkey [~agu@183.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 11:10:03 hiato [~nine@41-135-76-179.dsl.mweb.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:14:26 ehu [~ehu@109.33.112.47] has joined #lisp 11:14:53 Blackout [Blackout@gateway/web/hackerrank.com/x-nkdkwxusgiowhoyk] has joined #lisp 11:15:41 hi fe[nl]ix :D 11:18:53 Blkt [Blkt@gateway/web/hackerrank.com/x-szvidoeokpfytlfo] has joined #lisp 11:21:46 setmeaway [oosool3@118.45.149.239] has joined #lisp 11:22:27 -!- whitedawg [~whitedawg@122.179.56.40] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:23:10 hydan [~user@ip-89-102-13-27.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 11:23:24 cl-csv or csv-parser or fare-csv - opionions anyone? i need to generate csv, not parse. 11:25:33 I preferd cl-csv to parse, didn't look much at the generating side 11:26:32 I liked the simple API (with-open-file (input *test-file* :direction :input) (cl-csv:read-csv input :row-fn #'process-csv-row :separator #\,)) 11:26:32 can't format generate csv entries? 11:27:14 format can do anything, and my needs are simple. but maybe there exists something nice that i can just use. 11:27:34 pjb-d [~t@host.34.193.23.62.rev.coltfrance.com] has joined #lisp 11:28:28 cl-csv:write-csv looks simple enough to the task 11:29:44 cl-csv :depends-on (:iterate :alexandria :cl-interpol) 11:30:04 I would read that as a bonus, you might have a different opinion 11:30:11 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:33:33 dim: thanks, i'll have a look at that. 11:34:00 what is a bonus? the dependence on alexandria? 11:34:26 the fact that they did reuse libs even for simple constructs rather than reinvent yet another spelling of the same macro or facility 11:34:41 -!- Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.13.32.244] has quit [Quit: used jmIrc] 11:38:43 -!- brguy [~idonteven@177.17.148.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:39:02 browndawg [~browndawg@117.214.168.89] has joined #lisp 11:40:21 -!- hydan [~user@ip-89-102-13-27.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:40:54 hydan [~user@ip-89-102-13-27.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 11:42:08 myx [~myx@pppoe-211-174-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 11:44:01 pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has joined #lisp 11:46:18 -!- bitonic [~user@5e09a749.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:48:49 bitonic [~user@5e09a749.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 11:53:03 hi Blackout :) 11:54:21 H4ns: fare-csv 11:54:27 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.170] has joined #lisp 11:56:15 I have a string that contains n floats, like so: "32.22 93.92 01.32 0.00 28.32" (n=5 in this case), what would be the easiest way to iterate over these numbers and map the ith number to index i in an array. I was looking at with-input-from-string, but I'm not sure if it allows you to add each number to the corresponding array index. 11:56:30 fe[nl]ix: am i missing something, or does fare-csv have no documentation and can't generate csv? 11:57:20 cafaro: with-input-from-string does not prevent you from tracking the index. 11:57:33 ok 11:57:46 cafaro: i'd use cl-ppcre:split and parse-number:parse-number though 11:57:57 ok 11:58:09 -!- theos is now known as Guest18836 11:58:39 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 11:59:18 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.214.168.89] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:00:20 -!- loke_erc [~user@c-4957e555.012-14-67626717.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:00:35 -!- Guest18836 [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:02:51 browndawg [~browndawg@117.214.168.89] has joined #lisp 12:05:26 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:05:46 H4ns: pardon my ignorance, but ppcre is an external package right? I'm trying with-input-from-string in combination with: (loop for x = (read s nil nil) while x do [..]), how would I keep track of the index this way? 12:08:47 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:08:52 cafaro: just add "for i from 0" to your loop to have "i" be your counter variable 12:09:46 ok 12:10:00 cpape [~user@cpape.eu] has joined #lisp 12:10:02 m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.228.227] has joined #lisp 12:10:17 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:12:04 H4ns: wonderful, thanks a lot! 12:13:12 -!- protist [~protist@125-237-130-19.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has left #lisp 12:13:15 brguy [~idonteven@177.17.148.15] has joined #lisp 12:14:42 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-11-47.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:15:15 H4ns: oops, sorry 12:23:09 gravicappa [~gravicapp@h178-129-110-6.dyn.bashtel.ru] has joined #lisp 12:23:47 -!- ehu [~ehu@109.33.112.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:25:23 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:27:10 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.170] has joined #lisp 12:31:19 kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 12:38:15 h4ns: I haven't used it to be able to (dis)recommend it, but fare-csv does have write-csv-line / write-csv-lines and the api seems straightforward from the docstrings 12:39:50 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 12:40:49 Vivitron: thanks. i'm using cl-csv now, it works well. 12:40:49 Krystof [~user@81.174.155.115] has joined #lisp 12:41:44 kiuma_ [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 12:41:54 ehu [~ehu@109.33.112.47] has joined #lisp 12:43:28 what i'd really need would be an excel generation library, but i gather that there is none. 12:43:41 H4ns: depends what you need to generate 12:43:49 p_l: excel sheets 12:43:51 I found that it can be quite easy to spoof excel files 12:44:23 p_l: i used to generate the old spreadsheetml format, but that is not very useful nowadays. 12:44:26 -!- setmeaway [oosool3@118.45.149.239] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:44:41 did they do anything to the Excel 2003 XML? 12:44:55 Ralt [~Ralt@88.169.254.205] has joined #lisp 12:45:06 p_l: yeah, they made it so complex that generation is no longer feasible. 12:45:23 H4ns: I think 2010 still accepts it? 12:45:29 2007 did, afaik 12:46:08 yeah, but as far as i remember, you cannot simply put .xls onto the file name anymore to have excel open it correctly 12:48:16 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:51:08 superflit [~superflit@187.113.225.86] has joined #lisp 12:53:52 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Bacteria] 12:54:58 Harag [~Thunderbi@dsl-243-249-05.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:58:56 Is it possible to perform a bit-and for bit arrays of different size. E.g., I'd like to check if the ith bit is set, by using something like: (bit-and x (ash 1 i)), but lisp tells me args 2 and 3 have different dimensions 13:00:25 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.91.1] 13:02:07 -!- ehu [~ehu@109.33.112.47] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:02:20 cafaro: you could use ldb instead 13:02:37 ehu [~ehu@109.33.112.47] has joined #lisp 13:04:47 -!- brguy [~idonteven@177.17.148.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:06:06 H4ns: perhaps bindings to Apache POI exist or are simple enough to build? 13:06:07 cafaro: i.e. (ldb (byte 1 6) 64) => 1 13:07:21 xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-78-23.w92-146.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:07:32 madnificent: interesting, thanks for the pointer! 13:07:48 -!- oconnore [~eric@38.111.17.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:08:29 you're welcome 13:09:11 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:12:22 -!- pjb-d [~t@host.34.193.23.62.rev.coltfrance.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:13:37 madnificent: what's simple-file ? 13:13:56 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-pqbvegjuoufkxzpn] has joined #lisp 13:14:03 whitedawg [~whitedawg@122.179.31.224] has joined #lisp 13:14:49 -!- naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 13:16:36 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 13:17:38 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:18:43 francisl [~flavoie@bas6-montreal45-1176367377.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 13:19:09 -!- sirdancealot1 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:19:37 sirdancealot1 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 13:21:37 -!- kiuma_ [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:22:14 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 13:23:17 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@h178-129-110-6.dyn.bashtel.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:25:08 Thra11 [~thrall@87.114.93.105] has joined #lisp 13:26:15 NimeshNeema [uid2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bdlmhwgyqshxdbey] has joined #lisp 13:27:30 poi is in java, will you consider ABCL H4ns? 13:30:10 -!- bniels [~niels@p4FD6F633.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:30:49 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-95-84-141-55.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #lisp 13:31:30 -!- pessoa [~pessoa@188-195-211-39-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Started wasting time elsewhere] 13:31:33 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 13:32:02 cafaro: do you need specific index tracking? I mean a vector is indexed, right? What about (apply #'vector (with-input-from-string (s "32.22 93.92 01.32 0.00 28.32") (loop for x = (read s nil nil) while x collect x))) 13:32:43 cafaro: why do you not use aref to check the bit? 13:33:39 jdz: didn't knew that was possible, but ldb seems to work as well, or is aref faster? 13:34:01 cafaro: i don't know, check the disassemble 13:34:31 there's also (s)bit 13:34:46 dim: yes I need index tracking, got it working with setf/aref in combination with loop 13:34:53 (instead of apply) 13:34:58 how can i print 1.0e32 style number in long form? (normal all-digit number) 13:35:55 (floor 1.0e32) seems to do that, but I don't know 13:36:50 gendl [~dcooper8@vbn.0059434.lodgenet.net] has joined #lisp 13:36:52 FLOOR does not print anything 13:37:49 -!- azkane [~ahm@187.143.103.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:39:47 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:40:14 -!- bitonic [~user@5e09a749.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:43:08 pavelpenev [~quassel@212.233.134.172] has joined #lisp 13:46:15 bitonic [~user@5e09a749.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 13:46:58 *Fare* butchered a 5 kloc program into bits averaging 200 loc each with its own package. 13:47:08 the new bits sure are cleaner. 13:47:38 -!- `fogus [~fogus@freedom.d-a-s.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:47:41 gravicappa [~gravicapp@h178-129-110-6.dyn.bashtel.ru] has joined #lisp 13:48:18 -!- Krystof [~user@81.174.155.115] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:51:02 Joreji [~thomas@87-096.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 13:51:04 -!- agumonkey [~agu@183.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:53:31 too bad ~@r cannot handle 1e32 (: 13:54:05 -!- bitonic [~user@5e09a749.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:56:08 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@212.233.134.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:57:16 -!- francisl [~flavoie@bas6-montreal45-1176367377.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: francisl] 13:59:45 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 14:02:58 Jasko [~tjasko@209.74.44.225] has joined #lisp 14:03:12 -!- ehu [~ehu@109.33.112.47] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:03:43 ehu [~ehu@109.33.112.47] has joined #lisp 14:04:14 dim: consider yes, but i'm not sure if i'll find the time to do it. i'm pretty much tied to sbcl right now due to how i deploy binaries, and the usage of parametrized types in apache poi scares me 14:04:53 Yuuhi [benni@p54839F8F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 14:05:13 H4ns: the real question I would have is how would you typically approach using POI or another Java lib from CL 14:05:28 -!- Joreji [~thomas@87-096.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:05:55 I mean wrapping the lib in a specific binary then calling that as an external program looks like unfair burden, and sticking to ABCL has its own obvious problems too (not even talking about UABCL here) 14:06:09 Sindikat [~sindikat@95.56.180.141] has joined #lisp 14:06:18 well, i'd basically convert one of the examples to lisp and make it available with a lisp-friendly api 14:06:20 Hi all! 14:06:29 Fare: Out of curiosity, may I ask how you structured it? I assume you didn't find it tedious to have so many packages? 14:06:46 leoncamel [~leoncamel@124.126.217.243] has joined #lisp 14:07:11 oconnore [~eric@38.111.17.138] has joined #lisp 14:07:19 pve: just so you have a second opinion: i've been using one-package-per-file for over a year now, and it was not bothersome at all 14:07:23 in python i can do a list comprehension with 2 for-loops like: [(s, rp, ro) for rp, oset in spo[s] for ro in oset]. How can i do the same with common lisp? i can't figure out the mapcar solution 14:07:32 brguy [~idonteven@177.17.148.15] has joined #lisp 14:07:35 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.228.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:08:02 H4ns: dependencies are then manageg by quicklisp rather than asdf? 14:08:24 dim: no, i don't use quicklisp in my production software. it is all asdf 14:08:38 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@209.74.44.225] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:08:44 dim: i use ":serial t" everywhere. 14:09:02 I'm yet to decipher how to go from development to production with CL 14:09:12 and to learn about :serial and asdf :) 14:10:18 H4ns: do you :use other packages with your approach or refer to symbols with package prefixes? 14:10:29 pve: i :use nothing but :cl 14:10:57 H4ns: how about :import-from ? 14:10:57 yeah, (alexandria:when-let is not easy on the eye. 14:11:16 pve: i prefix everyting not in the local package or :cl with its package name. 14:11:18 bitonic [~user@5e09a749.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 14:11:25 bniels [~niels@p4FD6F633.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 14:11:55 pve: i find that this makes it much easier for me to figure out what's going on when i've not looked at some piece of code after a few months. 14:12:20 mjs2600 [~user@50.55.138.247] has joined #lisp 14:13:19 H4ns: yes, i can see how it would be easier to read, when everything is explicit 14:15:12 Krystof [~user@81.174.155.115] has joined #lisp 14:16:37 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.221.242] has joined #lisp 14:17:36 pve: http://paste.lisp.org/display/134499 is what i have in my .emacs as support function 14:18:00 Jasko [~tjasko@209.74.44.225] has joined #lisp 14:20:50 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 14:20:53 H4ns: nice, automatic package name. I also have a similar skeleton function, but with manual naming. 14:21:00 adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 14:22:02 Wow. Nice. 14:27:03 -!- xliweinan [~liweinan@123.117.220.36] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:27:37 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 14:27:48 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:28:32 How do I clear the i-th bit in a number/integer x, similar to C: x & ~(1 << i)? I know I can extract/replace bytes with ldb/dpb, but this would only would work for *setting* bits? Will aref work for numbers, maybe? 14:28:42 xliweinan [~liweinan@123.117.220.36] has joined #lisp 14:30:20 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 14:30:21 clhs logxor 14:30:22 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_logand.htm 14:30:23 cafaro: (dpb 1 (byte 1 6) 0) => 64 14:30:27 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-95-84-141-55.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:30:50 -!- ilisp is now known as cfy 14:30:59 cafaro: or, of course, (dpb 0 (byte 1 6) 64) => 0 14:31:24 ok 14:33:52 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 14:33:54 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-130-21.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:34:16 -!- whitedawg [~whitedawg@122.179.31.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:34:21 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-009-245.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 14:35:12 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 14:36:25 kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:36:35 -!- Sindikat [~sindikat@95.56.180.141] has left #lisp 14:37:42 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:38:09 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-95-84-141-55.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #lisp 14:38:34 m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.228.227] has joined #lisp 14:39:14 juxovec [~juxovec@ip-37-188-239-192.eurotel.cz] has joined #lisp 14:39:53 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:40:00 mjs2600` [~user@dhcp-128-103-224-206.harvard.edu] has joined #lisp 14:40:18 segv- [~mb@dslb-094-222-105-018.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 14:41:39 -!- mjs2600 [~user@50.55.138.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:42:58 brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:43:47 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:44:01 francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has joined #lisp 14:51:30 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-95-84-141-55.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:51:44 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-95-84-141-55.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #lisp 14:53:21 -!- superflit [~superflit@187.113.225.86] has quit [Quit: superflit] 14:53:46 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-95-84-141-55.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:55:23 Joreji [~thomas@87-096.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 14:55:28 natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-46-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 14:55:33 hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@109.120.26.37] has joined #lisp 14:57:07 normanrichards [~normanric@72-48-145-180.static.grandenetworks.net] has joined #lisp 14:58:07 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:58:16 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.221.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:58:47 fe[nl]ix: it's a micro-library i use internally to manage files. it takes stuff from cl-fad and the likes (and sometimes just renames things from Common Lisp itself). i assume everybody but me will hate it. 15:00:15 madnificent: why not just use iolib ? 15:00:17 or improve it 15:00:18 -!- francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has quit [Quit: francisl] 15:02:34 -!- hydan [~user@ip-89-102-13-27.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:13 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-116.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:03:20 fe[nl]ix: i preferred a different interface. i depend on iolib too though. it may make just as much, or more, sense than what i did. simple-file wasn't intended to stay a library, it was something i used to get the hang of doing with files what i needed to do with it. 15:04:08 can you publish it ? maybe I can import some of it into iolib 15:04:11 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-116.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:04:31 though i did wrap around what i did with iolib, so i must've had some preferences there. also, i kind-of like all file-related things to come from one package. i don't know if iolib does things that you can also do within the realms of the ansi spec 15:05:33 gigamonkey [~textual@64.124.192.210] has joined #lisp 15:05:38 fe[nl]ix: it should be published one day or another. probably sooner rather than later, if i know i could dismiss it. keep in mind that it's not exactly pretty, it's made for scripting stuff. 15:05:51 it doesn't matter 15:06:01 I wouldn't import the code as-is anyway :) 15:06:17 i'll ping you when it arrives on github 15:06:20 francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has joined #lisp 15:06:30 I'm watching you :) 15:07:17 huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has joined #lisp 15:07:33 o_O great 15:08:22 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 15:10:45 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:11:16 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.228.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:12:41 hydan [~user@ip-89-102-13-27.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 15:13:32 -!- bniels [~niels@p4FD6F633.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 15:13:53 -!- hydan [~user@ip-89-102-13-27.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:15:14 -!- reactormonk [~freak@cpe-70-113-86-124.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:15:36 ykm [~ykm@124.155.255.207] has joined #lisp 15:16:26 dnolen [~user@207.29.42.2] has joined #lisp 15:16:59 -!- stokachu [~stokachu@canonical/stokachu] has quit [Changing host] 15:16:59 stokachu [~stokachu@ubuntu/member/stokachu] has joined #lisp 15:16:59 victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has joined #lisp 15:18:18 PuercoPop [~user@190.222.252.106] has joined #lisp 15:18:22 -!- cpape [~user@cpape.eu] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:18:53 reactormonk [~freak@cpe-70-113-86-124.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:20:08 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 15:22:42 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:23:01 -!- NimeshNeema [uid2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bdlmhwgyqshxdbey] has quit [] 15:23:14 superflit [~superflit@187.113.225.86] has joined #lisp 15:28:25 -!- mjs2600` [~user@dhcp-128-103-224-206.harvard.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29:50 mjs2600` [~user@24.106.194.14] has joined #lisp 15:31:45 -!- kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:32:21 kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:35:30 whitedawg [~whitedawg@122.179.46.95] has joined #lisp 15:36:57 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-95-84-141-55.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #lisp 15:39:34 wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-89-0-168-8.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:39:36 hi all 15:40:06 hello wake up 15:40:23 I know this is slightly off topic but I am looking for a dedicated hosting service, suitable for my CL needs 15:40:26 hi loke 15:40:46 wakeup: I've used EC2 15:41:17 -!- xliweinan [~liweinan@123.117.220.36] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:41:26 TDT [~user@5317-nat00.eng.uiowa.edu] has joined #lisp 15:41:55 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-116.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:42:00 xliweinan [~liweinan@123.117.220.36] has joined #lisp 15:42:20 does dedicated hosting allow to compile/build custom software on their servers? 15:42:46 -!- xliweinan [~liweinan@123.117.220.36] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:43:00 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-116.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:43:15 xliweinan [~liweinan@123.117.220.36] has joined #lisp 15:43:19 wakeup: "dedicated" means that you can do whatever you want on your server 15:43:53 wakeup: I don't remember if tech_coop provides dedicated servers. 15:44:00 wakeup: i'm using sbcl on ec2, that works well. i also have a lvm based host for some production sites, works fine, too. 15:45:07 -!- xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-78-23.w92-146.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:45:07 wakeup: i have a hetzner server and i really like their offers and their service so far. 15:45:24 xaxisx [~xaxisx@24.137.208.218] has joined #lisp 15:45:28 cl-soap makes me sad. I would expect a CL library to provide a really seamless api 15:45:33 my lvm server is a hetzner box, too. 15:45:48 dlowe: is it that bad ? 15:46:19 I am a gandi.net customer at the moment, somewhat happy. 15:47:11 fe[nl]ix: http://paste.lisp.org/display/134508 15:47:18 that's the shortest example code I can find 15:47:46 a completely different idea I had a few days ago: You know how Bellard emulates x86 in js (http://bellard.org/jslinux/), how hard would it be to have, say CLISP, running in a browser? E.g. for educational purposes. 15:48:02 wakeup: done just recently 15:48:08 dlowe: triple wow 15:48:10 dlowe: how slow is it? 15:48:10 nice where? 15:48:10 -!- dented42 [~dented42@opengroove.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:48:28 nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p57AD7B30.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:48:35 I thought it would be awesome to have users be able to test drive your software in the browser 15:48:36 dunno. haven't messed with it. just saw it on twitter 15:48:48 *dlowe* digs up a link. 15:49:35 fe[nl]ix: responding to which? 15:50:16 that code snippet 15:50:50 it's impressively verbose 15:51:09 also, the case mess makes me cringe 15:51:11 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:51:28 https://github.com/davazp/ecmalisp 15:52:40 hmm thats not what I am looking for 15:52:55 I really mean jslinux + clisp/sbcl/whatever 15:53:19 -!- dnolen [~user@207.29.42.2] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:53:30 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-206-24-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 15:53:33 urandom__ [~user@p54B0E7CE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:53:34 -!- AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@99-136-83-34.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:54:10 I think I misunderstood what the project was. nvm. 15:54:23 its definitely neat what this guys did 15:54:40 dented42 [~dented42@opengroove.org] has joined #lisp 15:54:41 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@ip-37-188-239-192.eurotel.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:55:08 I just thought about the: "Here is my new cl library, try it in your browser!" 15:56:45 wakeup: to "try" a library, i need slime anyway. 15:57:23 _d3f [~freedo@nl2.ovpn.to] has joined #lisp 15:58:54 I supposed you could do something like play.golang.org for common lisp 15:59:00 -!- hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@109.120.26.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:59:10 and then paste the library code in :D 16:01:41 hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@109.120.26.37] has joined #lisp 16:01:45 gendl_ [~gendl@198.228.232.71] has joined #lisp 16:02:56 -!- gendl_ [~gendl@198.228.232.71] has quit [Client Quit] 16:03:48 kiuma_ [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 16:04:08 -!- kiuma_ [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:06:42 Matt_S_G [~Matt_S_G@84.235.91.81] has joined #lisp 16:10:34 -!- francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has quit [Quit: francisl] 16:10:58 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:11:09 findiggle [~kirkwood@173-10-106-172-BusName-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 16:11:14 francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has joined #lisp 16:11:25 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 16:11:44 dlowe: yeah something like that. Would be useful imho 16:12:23 whats the most minimal common lisp http server implementation? 16:12:51 -!- ykm [~ykm@124.155.255.207] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:12:58 mjs2600`` [~user@dhcp-128-103-224-206.harvard.edu] has joined #lisp 16:14:06 wakeup: i don't know, but it's not that hard to write a basic http server 16:14:31 What's wrong with Hunchentoot? 16:14:37 wakeup: it is, i believe, a project you can do when you're relatively new to the language 16:14:46 -!- mjs2600` [~user@24.106.194.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:15:31 juxovec [~juxovec@93.145.broadband11.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 16:15:51 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:16:10 -!- hiato [~nine@41-135-76-179.dsl.mweb.co.za] has quit [Quit: Nothing so gives the illusion of intelligence as personal association with large sums.] 16:16:20 madnificent: I am not (that) new to the language, and I believe its a ton of work to do right. 16:16:54 I am looking for something that does HTTP/1.0 GET and HEAD requests 16:16:58 ;) 16:17:01 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 16:17:13 -!- hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@109.120.26.37] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 16:17:31 toot looks promising 16:17:43 Gertm_ [~Gertm@178-119-53-170.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 16:19:05 sadly gloriously undocumented 16:19:29 maybe you should document it and contribute upstream 16:19:38 I'm going to write an event oriented non-blocking version of the let special operator for my ecore binding lib. Is there any place I can look at to take inspiration ? 16:21:07 'blocking' (or non-blocking) is an attribute of I/O. LET does not perform any I/O. What are you talking about? 16:22:07 dlowe: since I take documenting seriously it'd be easier to write my own. But I will document any CL library for cash! 16:22:54 and put it in the FDL :) 16:23:42 drewc: Hi, how is the status on a FDL smug.org? 16:24:07 tcr, I know :) I want to write somthing like (let ((sql-res1 #'non-blocking-qry1) (sql-res2 #'non-blocking-qry2) (x 3)) BODY) 16:24:37 when all 3 variables are bound execute the body 16:24:41 kiuma: look at lparallel 16:25:18 -!- findiggle [~kirkwood@173-10-106-172-BusName-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:25:23 H4ns, I've read something on planet lisp. Put doesn't lparallel use threads ? 16:26:06 s/Put/But/ 16:26:07 kiuma: so? you wanted food for thought, there you have some. 16:26:10 kiuma: something like http://orthecreedence.github.com/cl-async/ ? 16:26:15 ok ok :) 16:26:32 kiuma: every asynchronous software uses threads 16:26:41 wakeup: bullshit 16:26:52 H4ns: at some level? 16:26:57 wakeup: no. 16:27:21 H4ns: alternative? 16:27:33 wakeup, I (ecore better to say) support threads as last resource 16:27:34 wakeup: select/epoll/kqueue 16:28:04 select, pselect, FD_CLR, FD_ISSET, FD_SET, FD_ZERO - synchronous I/O multiplexing 16:28:21 H4ns, correct, but I didn't want to start from the rubber of the wheel to build a car 16:28:27 -!- Gertm_ [~Gertm@178-119-53-170.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Quit] 16:28:57 kiuma: i did not suggest that. but wait, was it not you who wrestled with low-level socket address composition problems earlier today? smells like rubber to me. 16:29:33 I understand asynchronous as things happening seemingly parallel, at which point the abstract idea of execution threads is given 16:30:26 findiggle [~kirkwood@173-10-106-172-BusName-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 16:30:49 wakeup: "asynchronous" is mostly used in conjunction with i/o and it commonly means that the program does not (need to) wait for an i/o operation to complete. 16:30:54 -!- cfy [~ilisp@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:31:10 wakeup: what you talk about is "parallelism", and that is something which is commonly implemented with threads or processes. 16:31:28 H4ns, yes I was :) 16:31:32 H4ns: exactly which requires a "code thread" and an "io thread" no? 16:31:47 [6502] [58959a57@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.149.154.87] has joined #lisp 16:31:53 but only to perform/bind ecore_con_lookup 16:32:02 of course io could be postponed 16:32:04 wakeup: no. that is where select/epoll/kqueue come into play 16:32:22 canon-name ip and list of bytes for the ip 16:32:26 -!- tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:32:40 but usually its done during code execution right? which leads to multiple threads 16:33:00 <[6502]> hello. In lisp implementations where a form is supported in function position, is there any difference between (funcall x ...) and ((progn x) ...) ? 16:33:14 H4ns: these are just queues afaik 16:33:20 wakeup: "usually", select/epoll/kqueue are embedded in the language runtime which manages i/o for the user mode program 16:34:31 H4ns: I didn't mean to imply that threads can't be abstracted 16:34:58 wakeup: did i say so? 16:35:08 *shrug* 16:35:31 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-116.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:36:01 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-116.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:36:08 well the runtime uses threads... 16:36:39 Thra11_ [~thrall@87.115.149.255] has joined #lisp 16:36:42 wakeup: have you seen continuation passing style? 16:36:51 jasom: yes 16:36:56 that's a simple example of non-blocking without threads 16:37:12 agumonkey [~agu@183.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 16:37:24 but cp is implemented with threads or not? 16:37:38 or node.js, which is javascript, so has no threads 16:37:48 node.js has threads 16:38:03 (imternally) 16:38:33 wakeup: why do you insist on claiming that "everything uses threads"? 16:38:47 -!- Thra11 [~thrall@87.114.93.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:38:55 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 16:39:38 there are threads and mutexes in the kernel; everything uses threads. Also, that assertion is uselessly correct. 16:39:49 in the linux kernel 16:39:59 breaking news: other operating systems exist! 16:40:08 You can have asynchronous I/O without kernels, in any case 16:40:09 everything usees at least one thread; there, now the statement is vacuous 16:40:26 k0001 [~k0001@host186.186-125-148.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 16:40:34 jasom: no. in non-threaded systems, there are no threads, only processes. 16:41:00 -!- ehu [~ehu@109.33.112.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:41:21 I'll think more about function boundp for my version of parallel-let 16:41:48 kiuma: isn't that just a CPS implementation that calls out to your event lib? 16:41:52 <[6502]> thread means normally "thread of execution" and at least one thread per process is present, not everyone uses multiple threads per process 16:41:53 H4ns: I can't think of any kernel in use on workstations that isn't threaded. 16:42:13 *sigh* 16:42:28 dlowe, CPS ? 16:42:37 kiuma: "continuation passing style" 16:42:45 yes 16:43:05 you might look at previous CPS in CL systems for inspiration 16:44:00 I'll do it. even thought on-lisp explanation of continuations wasn't so clear 16:44:03 pkhuong: DOS is still in use on workstations 16:44:29 and it doesn't even have processes 16:44:35 Sufian_yusuf90 [~Sufian_yu@175.136.191.69] has joined #lisp 16:44:35 <[6502]> in many cases in firmware there is only one thread doing everything, with low powered CPU thread switching would be too expensive 16:44:56 -!- Sufian_yusuf90 [~Sufian_yu@175.136.191.69] has left #lisp 16:46:43 <[6502]> nodejs has no choice but using threads internally for everything that has only a blocking interface 16:47:28 is this correct ? (let () (declare (special z)) (setf z 2) (boundp 'z)) 16:48:10 -!- whitedawg [~whitedawg@122.179.46.95] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:48:13 or there is a better way to write it ? 16:50:05 clhs locally 16:50:06 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/s_locall.htm 16:50:38 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-95-84-141-55.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:51:18 jasom: fine, you win (: 16:51:28 jsnell, thanks 16:51:35 -!- kilon [~user@unaffiliated/thekilon] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:51:45 now I can go home and make my thoughts :) 16:51:47 bye 16:52:15 afairchild [~user@ec2-23-21-196-222.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 16:52:21 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:52:49 plains [~plains@unaffiliated/plains] has joined #lisp 16:54:05 merk_ [~tmanny@31.45.151.93] has joined #lisp 16:54:09 <[6502]> build finished... bye 16:54:15 -!- [6502] [58959a57@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.149.154.87] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:54:20 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 16:55:11 pkhuong: but you're right, anything mainstream and released for a modern workstation in the past decade or more has the concept of threads 16:57:14 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.26.37] has joined #lisp 16:57:14 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.26.37] has quit [Client Quit] 16:59:22 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 17:00:38 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:01:01 pavelpenev [~quassel@212.233.134.172] has joined #lisp 17:01:31 -!- Spaceghostc2c [Spaceghost@unaffiliated/spaceghostc2c] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:05:51 Guest49926 [Spaceghost@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:8f09] has joined #lisp 17:06:37 Urfin [~user@213.57.184.94] has joined #lisp 17:07:48 -!- francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has quit [Quit: francisl] 17:11:03 can anyone reproduce this? Apparently Tamas can't, but I can - consistently. https://github.com/tpapp/cl-random/issues/3 17:12:10 smazga [~acrid@li336-165.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 17:14:07 -!- Thra11_ [~thrall@87.115.149.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:16:33 <|3b|> faheem: are you sure you load the cl-random you think you do? 17:17:30 MrMc [~user@91-64-125-247-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 17:19:27 faheem: "/usr/local/share/common-lisp/source/cl-random" is suspect. 17:23:45 pkhuong: hmm. looks like it is out of date. let me check again. 17:25:27 is there any chance that SBCL will support threads on OpenBSD 17:25:49 I have crawled the web for hints 17:26:55 I think for the longest time, SBCL didn't even build on openbsd (: 17:27:32 mayyyybe it's possible to add, but not without a little (or a lot, depending) runtime hacking 17:27:40 I was trying to build it just now 17:27:50 -!- gigamonkey [~textual@64.124.192.210] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:28:05 yes, looks like my copy was out of date. my bad 17:28:18 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.26.37] has joined #lisp 17:28:18 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.26.37] has quit [Client Quit] 17:29:07 ooc, were you successful? 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Is there a variable that hold such info? 17:37:23 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-78-83.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:38:40 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:39:06 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 17:41:21 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.26.37] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 17:41:28 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.26.37] has joined #lisp 17:41:43 Thra11 [~thrall@87.113.136.86] has joined #lisp 17:43:08 teslalamp [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #lisp 17:47:27 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.26.37] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 17:47:29 francogrex: perhaps a library like babel abstracts it (I'm not sure), but I think that it's implementation dependent, so the implementation's documentation is probably best 17:47:35 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.26.37] has joined #lisp 17:47:35 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.26.37] has quit [Client Quit] 17:48:19 -!- xliweinan [~liweinan@123.117.220.36] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:48:27 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/26_glo_e.htm#external_file_format 17:50:16 xliweinan [~liweinan@123.117.220.36] has joined #lisp 17:51:42 kilon [~kilon@unaffiliated/thekilon] has joined #lisp 17:53:55 phadthai: yes clhs doesn't tell more than it's the implementation that decides ok. Manual maybe the best 17:54:33 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.26.37] has joined #lisp 17:54:44 right: http://www.sbcl.org/manual/#External-Formats 17:56:04 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.26.37] has quit [Client Quit] 17:58:02 -!- xliweinan [~liweinan@123.117.220.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:58:40 xliweinan [~liweinan@123.117.220.36] has joined #lisp 17:58:49 @antifuchs well it builds 17:59:51 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.170] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:00:09 -!- Spaceghostc2c_ is now known as Spaceghostc2c 18:02:38 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:03:25 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f755881.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:03:49 -!- francogrex [franco@grex.cyberspace.org] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.1.2 $Revision: 1.796.2.4 $ (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:05:34 -!- kanru`` [~kanru@217.243.168.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:07:06 -!- xliweinan [~liweinan@123.117.220.36] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07:30 xliweinan [~liweinan@123.117.220.36] has joined #lisp 18:07:48 gigamonkey [~textual@64.124.192.210] has joined #lisp 18:08:22 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 18:08:39 -!- xliweinan [~liweinan@123.117.220.36] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:09:00 xliweinan [~liweinan@123.117.220.36] has joined #lisp 18:10:00 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:10:14 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 18:14:05 ASau [~user@92.116.69.196] has joined #lisp 18:15:10 ltbarcly [~ltbarcly@216.113.168.141] has joined #lisp 18:15:36 -!- xliweinan [~liweinan@123.117.220.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:19:11 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.214.168.89] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:20:23 snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 18:24:38 ebobby [~fms@189.170.27.127] has joined #lisp 18:24:52 minion: memo for wakeup: http://drewc.org/interface/monads.html section 5 is the new smug, and the docs will use that when I start on the new smug itself... As for FDL, I can likely to that today if that is what you want ... It does need a license regardless 18:24:52 Remembered. 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Too bad it doesn't run common lisp, meh.. 20:51:53 zolk3ri: google finds http://colabv6.dan.co.jp/lleval.html 20:51:54 -!- victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has quit [Quit: Leaving IRC - dircproxy 1.2.0] 20:53:32 rbarraud [~rbarraud@125-239-32-133.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 20:53:40 no sbcl 20:53:41 great 20:54:03 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 20:54:09 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 20:55:02 zolk3ri: It has ecl though 20:55:08 -!- brguy [~idonteven@177.17.148.15] has quit [Quit: Don't use quit!] 20:56:56 -!- osk_ [~osk@pc-233-5-86-200.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:57:33 kilon_alios [~kilon@178.128.141.19.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr] has joined #lisp 20:57:44 osk_ [~osk@pc-233-5-86-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #lisp 20:58:24 -!- kilon [~kilon@unaffiliated/thekilon] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:58:41 -!- kilon_alios is now known as kilon 20:58:42 -!- kilon [~kilon@178.128.141.19.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr] has quit [Changing host] 20:58:42 kilon [~kilon@unaffiliated/thekilon] has joined #lisp 21:02:29 -!- _d3f [~freedo@nl2.ovpn.to] has quit [Quit: ~ The Gnu went back to savannah ~] 21:02:55 -!- kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:03:45 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 21:07:18 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:07:27 osk [~osk@pc-233-5-86-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #lisp 21:07:51 -!- osk is now known as Guest892 21:09:46 -!- osk_ [~osk@pc-233-5-86-200.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:13:26 -!- mjs2600 [~user@dhcp-128-103-224-206.harvard.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:13:54 threeseven1 [~errata@c-24-5-85-80.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:15:28 -!- smazga [~acrid@li336-165.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.1] 21:16:54 Hey, I'm trying to get the hour our of (get-decoded-time) and it's returning multiple values, what sort of format are these in and how do i get an individual one out? I tried (car (get-decoded-time)) but it's not a list apparently. Any idea how to get individual values out of the output here? 21:17:15 clhs m-v-b 21:17:16 multiple-value-bind: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_multip.htm 21:17:23 clhs get-decoded-time 21:17:23 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_get_un.htm 21:18:25 threeseven1: http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/the-special-operators.html <- search for "multiple values" 21:18:52 Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.13.4.224] has joined #lisp 21:20:19 -!- threeseven1 is now known as threeseven 21:20:26 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-vmwhdudwmlxanvww] has joined #lisp 21:21:52 jasom & dim & pkhuong: thanks! 21:25:12 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@93.145.broadband11.iol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:27:43 tcr [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:28:05 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@aboj85.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 21:28:22 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:29:57 -!- karswell 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