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-!- liweinan [~liweinan@123.117.213.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:00:34 Hi, what's the best way of running lisp code from inside a minimalist web browser such as nginx ? 10:00:57 minion: hunchentoot? 10:00:58 hunchentoot: No definition was found in the first 5 lines of http://www.cliki.net/hunchentoot 10:01:02 I'd use nginx as a caching proxy. 10:01:51 intel [~intel@unaffiliated/intel] has joined #lisp 10:02:15 -!- Gooder [~user@218.69.12.194] has left #lisp 10:03:28 -!- intel [~intel@unaffiliated/intel] has left #lisp 10:03:45 holycow [~holycow@host-216-251-135-194.bchsia.skywaywest.net] has joined #lisp 10:04:07 So ... no way to run lisp code natively from nginx without resorting to *some* kind of server written in lisp ..? 10:04:33 Interesting. I'll continue reading PCL then :) 10:04:33 what does it mean to run code natively from nginx? 10:04:56 excellent question 10:05:12 m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.228.97] has joined #lisp 10:11:29 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:12:15 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host67.190-224-56.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:15:30 -!- naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 10:15:31 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-199.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:15:52 naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has joined #lisp 10:16:07 Not running on an own port, for one 10:18:24 xmj: if you want to run lisp inside the server, you could do that by linking libecl.so with that server (and adding a few calls where it would apply). 10:19:19 But in general, we do the other way: we run the server inside lisp, instead of running lisp inside a server. This let us use any CL implementation. 10:21:36 It's also sensible for pretty much every other use-case. 10:22:02 Trying to mash your program into some random web server is a recipe for eventual pain. 10:22:45 -!- Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.31.31.143] has quit [Quit: used jmIrc] 10:23:13 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-132-17.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 10:23:50 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 10:23:53 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-163-235.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:25:15 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:25:19 Heh, why o why do so many webdevs see that differently. 10:25:32 *cough* LAMP *cough* 10:25:49 It's the curse of CGI. 10:25:55 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:26:24 Also, it's only recently become really cheap to shove tiny web servers into everything. 10:28:55 k0001 [~k0001@host67.190-224-56.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 10:32:29 Bacteria [~Bacteria@CPE-120-147-18-64.bjzv3.win.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 10:32:29 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 10:34:35 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.197.223] has joined #lisp 10:37:02 *mstevens* experimentally shoves a tiny web server into Zhivago 10:38:06 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-189-62.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 10:44:55 -!- Jubb [~ghost@24-151-37-211.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:44:56 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-199.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:52:49 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@CPE-120-147-18-64.bjzv3.win.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Bacteria] 10:57:07 Bacteria [~Bacteria@CPE-120-147-18-64.bjzv3.win.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 10:57:16 leoncamel [~leoncamel@124.126.173.204] has joined #lisp 11:00:02 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 11:00:30 Thra11 [~thrall@146.90.131.24] has joined #lisp 11:00:38 tcr [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 11:07:57 -!- leoncamel [~leoncamel@124.126.173.204] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 11:10:01 leoncamel [~leoncamel@124.126.173.204] has joined #lisp 11:12:41 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-029-136.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:13:22 -!- myx [~myx@pppoe-213-12-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:13:27 -!- leoncamel [~leoncamel@124.126.173.204] has quit [Client Quit] 11:13:42 leoncamel [~leoncamel@124.126.173.204] has joined #lisp 11:15:59 PCChris [~Chris@cpe-65-31-47-32.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:18:01 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-199.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:18:51 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-199.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:21:58 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@176.97.27.149] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:23:16 mstevens: it could be worse; Apache. :} 11:23:48 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.197.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:25:09 actually, I was looking for a tiny web server lately, I've still not made up my mind 11:26:29 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:26:54 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:27:13 I want something a bit like publicfile, but a tiny bit less djb 11:30:06 what's against nginx ? 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I use nginx as a caching proxy and static file server. 11:39:34 aye, we often put nginx in front of apache for the static stuff (customers still expect apache for the most part :() 11:39:41 -!- liweinan [~liweinan@123.117.213.77] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:40:19 liweinan [~liweinan@123.117.213.77] has joined #lisp 11:41:06 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@CPE-120-147-18-64.bjzv3.win.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Bacteria] 11:42:54 -!- holycow [~holycow@host-216-251-135-194.bchsia.skywaywest.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:42:59 bitonic` [~user@ppp-111-108.24-151.libero.it] has joined #lisp 11:43:39 why? 11:44:00 mathrick [~mathrick@176.97.27.149] has joined #lisp 11:44:01 Apache is pretty much a black box anyway, so why not just use something *transparent* instead ? 11:44:15 xmj: wah my htaccess file doesn't work 11:45:02 -!- bitonic [~user@ppp-193-126.24-151.libero.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:45:32 Bacteria [~Bacteria@CPE-120-147-18-64.bjzv3.win.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 11:45:57 maybe that's just me, but when things don't work I tend to look at the crap I wrote first ... 11:47:03 xmj: you're quite different from most web'developers' I work with then ;) 11:47:44 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-199.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:48:45 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-199.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:49:03 obviously. I'd never title myself 'developer'. Maybe 'sophisticated impostor' ... 11:49:28 hehe 11:52:19 -!- bitonic` [~user@ppp-111-108.24-151.libero.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:52:52 bitonic [~user@ppp-111-108.24-151.libero.it] has joined #lisp 11:55:42 doomlord [~doomlod@host109-151-246-226.range109-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 12:02:36 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:03:19 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 12:08:06 xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-71-228.w92-146.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 12:08:16 add^_ [~add^_@78-70-121-101-no170.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 12:09:06 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.197.223] has joined #lisp 12:11:14 gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 12:11:34 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:13:42 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-199.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:14:30 jtza8 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seems to be too slow 16:43:16 http://archives.postgresql.org/message-id/e08cc0400911042333o5361b21cu2c9438f82b1e55ce@mail.gmail.com 16:43:36 that's not you! 16:43:57 I can copy paste the query, as I did with the python code that I turned into CL code 16:47:33 if you are after speed, CL code can be made much faster by sprinkling a bunch of declarations 16:47:36 -!- webos_ [~webos@cst-prg-56-248.cust.vodafone.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:48:28 (declaim (optimize speed)) ; that's what I did use 16:48:39 and you expect that to be enough? 16:48:42 I tried some localized declarations, didn't help my tests 16:49:14 what did help was using logcount, logbitp, logxor 16:50:04 Tabrenus [~Tabrenus@213.211.132.86.static.edpnet.net] has joined #lisp 16:50:23 first, inline all those little functions, then declare input values 16:50:44 -!- leoncamel [~leoncamel@124.126.173.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:50:53 and declare array types 16:50:56 hey, it's fast enough already, 3 to 10 times faster than C 16:51:12 well, that's because the C version is bad 16:51:24 (i haven't seen it, though) 16:51:33 it's just that clisp is way slower than SBCL and CCL, and pjb told me it shouldn't be the case, so I did hand him the sources so that he can look for himself if he's interested 16:51:40 oh sorry 16:51:54 it's 3 to 10 times faster than the python version from Norvig 16:51:55 *stassats* goes back to optimizing CRC32 16:52:00 python, not C. 16:52:39 i would've send a patch by adding declarations, but sudoku appears to be not of much use 16:53:11 no use at all, apart from getting to know CL some more 16:53:26 it was just an learning exercize with a perfs component to it 16:53:34 -!- malpas [~al@159.Red-83-38-117.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:53:36 exercise, even 16:53:44 *stassats* improved ironclad's CRC32 three-fold by using intel's slice-by-8 algorithm 16:53:58 cool! 16:54:14 only on sbcl 16:54:52 bananagram 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I mean, there probably is a ready package you could install with pkg_add... 18:49:25 pnpuff [~Eternit9a@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:49:31 pjb: make -C /usr/ports/editors/slime install clean. 18:49:35 way simpler :-) 18:49:52 xmj: o/ 18:50:04 unless, of course, gmake segfaults, as it did. 18:50:24 xmj: better clang on freebsd ... :) 18:51:06 dim: this kind of comment is useless: ;; eliminate that value we just found in all peers when it's followed by a line that says EXACTLY the same thing: (eliminate-value-in-peers puzzle row col found-value) 18:51:23 engblom: trusting trust. 18:51:46 engblom: not only you want to compile it, but you want to make a trip to the nearest beach too! 18:51:59 pnpuff: I use clang on 10.0-CURRENT -- doesn't help with this one. http://apaste.info/8oIq 18:52:49 engblom: otherwise, I use gentoo, and I keep /usr/portage/distfiles, so when the governments will forbid free software, I know I have the sources. 18:53:02 -!- xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-71-228.w92-146.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:53:26 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 18:53:54 can we discuss peculiarities of operating systems in some other channel? 18:54:42 dim: do you know pg.el ? Have a look at https://gitorious.org/com-informatimago/emacs/blobs/master/psql.el 18:55:29 stassats: sure thing. any recommandations on using vim with lisp? :x 18:55:38 stassats: it's not a peculiarities, but a generality of what software you should use. Quicklisp does the same. When you use quicklisp, you know you've got the source. When you install lisp package with apt-get, you may only fetch .fasl compiled for the different CL implementations provided by the distribution. 18:55:47 xmj: yes. Don't. 18:56:13 *xmj* facepalms. 18:56:16 -!- Artheist [~quassel@ARennes-656-1-307-35.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:56:27 -!- [SLB] is now known as [SLB]` 18:57:35 tcr [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 18:57:59 Artheist [~quassel@ARennes-656-1-222-100.w2-12.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 18:58:04 xmj: why you're using ports? .. read the README! end INSTALL files in the sources directory... (maybe better use the GNU autotools) 18:58:34 but I do not know freebsd :( anyway ... 18:59:02 right, you don't know freebsd. I use ports because right now, there are no consistent binary packages for it. 18:59:24 still, I'm with stassats on this one. 18:59:42 there are consistent sources file for it! 19:00:49 *files 19:00:59 add^_ [~add^_@78-70-121-101-no170.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 19:02:00 -!- tcr [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:02:20 jrajav [~jrajav@66-188-176-243.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 19:02:43 dim: my sudoku-solver timings: http://paste.lisp.org/+2VLI (fast enough for me). Have you had a look at my solver? http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/com/informatimago/small-cl-pgms/sudoku-solver/ 19:02:59 pnpuff: ports are the freebsd-patched source-files. 19:03:11 pjb: I am using OpenBSD... and I am only using ports if there is no other choice. I do not see any benefit from compiling myself. You talk about trusting binaries... and you use source code you never have chance to check through alone. 19:03:47 -!- Artheist [~quassel@ARennes-656-1-222-100.w2-12.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:03:48 engblom: the programs I use the most, like emacs, I read (parts of) the sources. 19:04:33 Furthermore, you may have noticed that a lot of programs nowadays are actually distributed as sources. All those programs written in php, python, ruby, etc. 19:05:00 Artheist [~quassel@ARennes-656-1-262-209.w90-32.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 19:05:39 xmj: some use slimv 19:06:06 as to recommendations: don't 19:06:45 xmj: patch sources by yourself! ..is funny :) 19:06:45 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:07:13 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:08:00 pnpuff: why would I want to do that? 19:08:44 to enjoy yourself maybe... 19:09:31 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-96-240-138-223.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 19:10:13 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 19:10:33 xmj: I am in a bit similar situation: I am preferring vim for editing files, but because of slime I forced myself to use emacs. Evil for emacs, makes emacs half usable at least. (Evil is vim emulation for emacs) 19:11:26 Well, you may use vim and slimv, but you will have to bring your own batteries, and to contribute to slimv development. 19:12:03 There are more emacs users, so slime is more advanced than slimv, but there's no reason why slimv couldn't be as good as slime. (Or is there?) 19:12:23 engblom: I wouldn't care, really, but ... I'm used to using vim and emacs didn't compile on first try 19:12:28 xmj: For me the step was a bit smaller because I was already using erc (irc client in emacs) for ircing. The only reason I got into using erc was the spell-check. No other ready irc program with ready binaries for OpenBSD is having a good spell-check. 19:12:37 (did compile after adding WITHOUT_X11=y) 19:13:06 emacs is lame without X 19:13:39 I am only using emacs without X. SSH inside of a tmux session FYI. 19:14:13 s/SSH inside/SSH and emacs inside/ 19:14:25 ok cool, now making editors/slime ran into another error ... 19:14:31 I'll stick to slimv. 19:14:44 how unfortunate 19:14:57 One day I might actually look into slimv too... 19:15:07 where will you run if you encounter a problem with slimv? 19:15:49 to my mommy, where else would you run?! 19:15:58 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 19:16:34 xmj: better emacs/slime to edit lisp code... 19:17:27 LiamH [~none@96.231.220.53] has joined #lisp 19:17:49 anyway you could use only a terminal if you want ... without any editor. :) 19:18:45 maybe with libreadline and so on... but it's very time consuming... 19:18:58 emacs in xterm-256color is nice too. 19:19:08 sure 19:19:12 _d3f [~freedo@46.183.216.234] has joined #lisp 19:19:38 even if I prefer urxvt 19:22:57 -!- rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:25:16 rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has joined #lisp 19:37:53 -!- add^_ [~add^_@78-70-121-101-no170.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: The Garbage Collector got me...] 19:39:14 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:43:17 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:43:29 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 19:55:18 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-220-191-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [] 19:58:03 tcr [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 20:00:33 -!- jsucsy [~jsucsy@static-98-113-154-10.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:00:33 Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 20:00:54 jsucsy [~jsucsy@static-98-113-154-10.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:01:55 jsucsy1 [~jsucsy@static-98-113-154-10.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:01:55 -!- jsucsy [~jsucsy@static-98-113-154-10.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:02:37 -!- tcr [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:08:11 -!- pnpuff [~Eternit9a@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: Merry Xmas (Song :)] 20:10:38 paul0 [~paulo@177.96.48.114] has joined #lisp 20:20:59 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:21:34 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:22:44 tcr [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 20:23:15 -!- liweinan [~liweinan@123.117.213.77] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:23:32 -!- tcr [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Client Quit] 20:24:16 liweinan [~liweinan@123.117.213.77] has joined #lisp 20:24:34 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:25:08 -!- liweinan [~liweinan@123.117.213.77] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:25:30 liweinan [~liweinan@123.117.213.77] has joined #lisp 20:26:09 mizlev_ [~mizlev@186.Red-81-32-229.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 20:26:10 -!- liweinan [~liweinan@123.117.213.77] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:26:18 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:26:38 liweinan [~liweinan@123.117.213.77] has joined #lisp 20:26:41 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:27:13 tcr [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 20:27:23 -!- liweinan [~liweinan@123.117.213.77] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:28:08 -!- tcr [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:29:04 liweinan [~liweinan@123.117.213.77] has joined #lisp 20:29:26 -!- mizlev [~mizlev@107.Red-83-61-32.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:30:53 -!- francisl [~anonymous@bas6-montreal45-1176493761.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: francisl] 20:31:06 liweinan_ [~liweinan@123.117.213.77] has joined #lisp 20:31:07 -!- liweinan [~liweinan@123.117.213.77] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:32:04 loop does not seem to have an easy way to collect values into something beside a list, eg a vector. is there something i'm missing, or do people use something else like iterate? 20:32:59 faheem: (coerce (loop for i below 10 collect i) 'vector) 20:33:35 pjb: ah, thanks. 20:33:36 or if you care: (loop with result = (make-array 10 :fill-pointer 0) for i below 10 do (vector-push i result) finally (return result)) ; but it's longer to write. 20:34:09 pjb: that looks good too. any downside to using coerce? 20:34:46 -!- mizlev_ [~mizlev@186.Red-81-32-229.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: mizlev_] 20:34:48 faheem: yes, coerce will let the look accumulate a list, and the it will copy the list into a vector. 20:35:00 So it uses more temporary storage. 20:35:00 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:35:17 pjb: ok. i guess that is not a big problem 20:35:18 -!- paul0 [~paulo@177.96.48.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:35:29 pjb: the look ? 20:35:43 -!- liweinan_ [~liweinan@123.117.213.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:35:43 loop 20:35:51 pjb: oh, right. sorry 20:36:02 sorry for the typo :-) 20:36:26 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:36:41 pjb: thanks. that was helpful. is iterate commonly used? i'm trying to test it, but having problems for some reason 20:37:14 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:37:15 Some people use it a lot. 20:37:41 If you like it, use it. I never tried it so I don't even know if I'd like it. :-( 20:37:56 pjb: Ok. I'm trying to use it :-) 20:38:13 Examples typed directly from http://common-lisp.net/project/iterate/doc/Accumulations.html#Accumulations are giving me errors 20:38:13 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38:54 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:39:04 -!- PuercoPop [~user@190.222.252.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:39:48 Works for me. 20:40:09 pjb: ok 20:40:15 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:40:24 (ql:quickload :iterate) (use-package :iterate) (assert (equal (iter (for i from 1 to 5) (collect i)) '(1 2 3 4 5))) (assert (equal (iter (for i from 1 to 5) (collect i at beginning)) '(5 4 3 2 1))) 20:40:59 hmm is (pprint-newline :mandatory) with print-pretty bound to t supposed to do (terpri)? 20:41:04 does not seem to do it on CCL 20:41:09 Of course, since I wrote (loop for .. collect ) etc instead of (loop :for .. :collect ), (use-package :iterate) signals symbol name conflicts, but there's a restart to unintern the old symbols. 20:41:16 sorry with *print-pretty* bound to nil 20:41:38 -!- ISF [~ivan@189.61.220.247] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:41:46 maxm-: «If stream is a pretty printing stream and the value of *print-pretty* is true, a line break is inserted in the output when the appropriate condition below is satisfied; otherwise, pprint-newline has no effect.» 20:41:50 pjb: yes, i didn't use use-package. so i needed to qualify the names with iterate:: 20:41:50 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:41:53 *pjb* doesn't know the pretty printer yet. Cannot call himself a CL expert :-( 20:42:13 Bike: oh 20:42:33 pjb: be glad, its actually where I found the most differences between implementations 20:42:39 faheem: probably some symbols are compared with string=, like in cl:loop. 20:43:08 i guess use-package is the python equivalent of from foo import *, which i have never been fond of 20:43:19 ehu` [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:43:31 pjb: so eg (iterate::iter (iterate::for i from 1 to 10) (iterate::collect i)) works for me 20:43:36 faheem: yes, but for a package like iterate, which adds to your "language", it's the right thing to do I think. 20:43:47 i guess iterate redefines some of those constructs 20:43:47 faheem: worse yet, package usage is a different thing from importing symbols :D 20:43:54 I would prefer to qualify symbols for a more "procedural" library. 20:44:07 pjb: yes, good point 20:44:26 pjb: python does not allow one to change syntax, so the issue does not come up 20:44:34 Well, this is #lisp :-) 20:44:43 pjb: lol 20:44:47 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:45:26 http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/iiip/doc/CommonLISP/HyperSpec/Body/fun_use-package.html says use-package causes package to inherit all the external symbols of packages-to-use. The inherited symbols become accessible as internal symbols of package. 20:45:31 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:45:44 sounds similar to "from foo import *" to me 20:46:34 though python just overwrites i think 20:46:45 not smart enough to signal name conflicts 20:50:03 tcr [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 20:50:30 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:52:00 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-20-105.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:52:36 -!- ehu` [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:52:52 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:54:35 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 20:57:36 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@66-188-176-243.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: phunq, sandwich store loop, WHAT NO UNIVERSE] 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(slime-eval) on emacs side 21:19:14 seems if i do it from REPL buffer, *print-pretty* is t, but if I do it from a something.lisp buffer, its nil 21:19:22 on sbcl both are t 21:19:37 in both cases the initial value is set, on sbcl in ~/.sbclrc, and on ccl in ~/.ccl-init.lisp 21:19:57 well, yes, ccl sets it to nil in initial-bindings 21:20:03 -!- Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:20:13 ah ok that explains it 21:20:49 (def-standard-initial-binding *print-pretty* nil) 21:21:01 from level-1/l1-io.lisp 21:23:51 -!- arrk13 [~arrakis24@83-131-82-219.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has left #lisp 21:26:54 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@66-188-176-243.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: I tend to be neutral about apples] 21:27:16 maxm-: check swank:*default-worker-thread-bindings* SWANK:*MACROEXPAND-PRINTER-BINDINGS* SWANK::*INSPECTOR-VERBOSE-PRINTER-BINDINGS* SWANK::*INSPECTOR-PRINTER-BINDINGS* swank::*backtrace-printer-bindings* swank:*sldb-printer-bindings* 21:28:08 No known definition for: swank::def-standard-initial-binding (in COMMON-LISP-USER) 21:28:17 -!- drewc [~drewc@50.7.166.100] has left #lisp 21:28:29 oh, you mean in sbcl 21:29:09 ccl 21:31:33 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.189] has joined #lisp 21:31:41 drewc [~drewc@50.7.166.100] has joined #lisp 21:31:55 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33:18 maxm-: so you should set it in ~/.swank.lisp and add it to the swank binding lists you want. 21:34:20 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-72-66-99-183.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:39:14 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:39:55 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:40:41 cdidd [~cdidd@95-28-26-46.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 21:43:40 ISF [~ivan@189.61.220.247] has joined #lisp 21:45:51 -!- Bike [~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 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(and who uses it to write lisp?) 22:30:42 Or do you only use emacs all here? 22:30:50 I think I tried it once a long time ago. 22:31:05 -!- varjagg is now known as varjag 22:31:09 But I only use emacs. Sometimes I use hemlock (inside ccl), but for any serrious editing, it's emacs. 22:31:12 GNU emacs, that is. 22:31:20 no problem :) 22:31:37 I have worked with Common Lisp for a living with Emacs :) works pretty well :) 22:31:42 One day, I or somebody else will write an emacs in Common Lisp that's as good as GNU emacs, and then we'll all use that CL emacs! 22:32:26 acme? the school of stuff? 22:32:28 We need a better, easier to use, universal gui system for CL I think... 22:32:40 acme from plan9 22:32:47 I run it on inferno now actually 22:32:57 and chat from it :) 22:33:20 *drewc* now has to deal with the fact the he is canadian and lived on ontario for those 2 years where it was on tv 22:33:40 It's very good for ad-hoc IDE usage for languages etc that have no IDE yet :) 22:34:17 anyone who is proficient in ed or sam here? 22:35:05 LaPingvino: Does implementing an ed(1) in CL make you proficient in it? 22:35:29 that's the same as creating a forth making you proficient in forth 22:35:33 https://gitorious.org/com-informatimago/com-informatimago/trees/master/common-lisp/ed 22:35:59 rdd [~rdd@c83-250-125-14.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 22:36:09 or in other words: in some way it does, but it doesn't necessarily say that you proficiently use the editor itself ;) 22:36:12 (shamefully, I didn't complete the regex stuff. I should one day hook cl-ppcre and call it done, or implement my own regex library). 22:36:32 ah, exactly the regexes are so nice in ed :) 22:36:42 LaPingvino: notice that the topic of this channel is Common Lisp, not editors. 22:36:49 that's true :) 22:37:07 sorry if I'm disturbing 22:37:12 -!- rdd [~rdd@c83-250-125-14.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Client Quit] 22:37:23 rdd [~rdd@c83-250-125-14.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 22:37:28 well, probably being a Microsoft Technical Support agent already makes me a weird guy here ;) 22:38:29 but yeah, I DID work with Common Lisp for a living before, so I can say at least that I know a little how to use it ;) 22:39:12 *drewc* let his MCSE expire in ... '97, and please. let us now be ON TOPIC ... thanks. 22:39:54 how is climacs going? ;) 22:40:26 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:40:55 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:41:09 LaPingvino: as well as its users/programmers/ 22:41:23 ah, that's sad :( 22:41:27 LaPingvino: how is Microsoft Windows going? 22:41:33 What a dumb question! 22:41:35 never better ;) 22:41:36 Are you gavino? 22:41:37 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 22:41:44 no, I'm not 22:41:56 they also refered to that in #plan9 22:42:01 don't even know him... 22:44:44 whitedawg [~whitedawg@122.178.217.87] has joined #lisp 22:46:34 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:48:13 LaPingvino: what did you do with CL? 22:48:20 in the past I mean 22:48:45 emacs is very hard to replace, so. 22:50:40 -!- spiderweb [~lcc@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:51:05 I worked at streamtech 22:51:10 at bittads 22:51:27 now I don't program so much any more, I do support work now 22:51:34 doesn't mean I don't like it any more 22:51:38 just don't have the time 22:52:31 acme looks tremendously exotic. 22:52:47 does it have a crankshaft? ;-) 22:52:58 Russ Cox has a good video introduction 22:53:12 basically, if you know the underlying OS well, it's bliss 22:53:14 ;) 22:53:27 and if you like scripting a bit now and then 22:53:42 you could also just write a whole CL backend on it if you want :) 22:53:45 LaPingvino: isn't acme heavily reliant on mouse usage? 22:54:02 *hydandata* hates mouse 22:54:29 -!- caemir [~caemir@unaffiliated/caemir] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:55:24 hydandata: yes, it is 22:55:39 if you don't like that, you could just try sam :) 22:55:52 LaPingvino: thanks, i am happy with emacs 22:55:55 *prxq* imagines LaPingvino doing MS support by day and tinkering with acme, plan9, and CL by night. 22:55:58 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-199.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:56:11 exactly :) 22:56:13 LaPingvino: which CL do you use? 22:56:14 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-199.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 22:56:22 at streamtech I used sbcl 22:56:35 and sometimes for quick calculations clisp 22:56:37 sure enough, but does it run on plan9? 22:56:38 but mostly sbcl 22:56:45 I don't run plan9 now 22:56:52 I run acme on inferno on windows now 22:56:59 ah 22:57:01 I'm pretty much pragmatic ;) 22:57:06 hehe 22:57:09 caemir [~caemir@unaffiliated/caemir] has joined #lisp 22:57:09 normanrichards [~normanric@72-48-145-180.static.grandenetworks.net] has joined #lisp 22:58:11 not too long ago, I used kate to edit some CL, I forget why. It was quite nice, it 'just' lacks the inferior lisp stuff that's so indispensable. 22:58:50 ah yes, exactly :) 23:00:07 -!- tcr [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:01:56 I started Clojure in gedit 23:02:09 just linked some external tools and it worked just nice as well :) 23:03:34 I think I will try sbcl a bit with acme 23:03:43 and maybe create some plumbing with it 23:03:48 if necessary :) 23:04:30 sigjuice_ [3fe94cfe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.233.76.254] has joined #lisp 23:04:39 LaPingvino: you have an "inferior clojure" in gedit? How? 23:05:20 -!- Joreji [~thomas@77-23-116-225-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:05:20 I just did that with a compile and run cycle those days, added a compile and run command to gedit 23:05:45 it was a Gui-app anyway, so I didn't long a lot for interactive debugging 23:05:49 ah ok. have you used slime? 23:05:53 Joreji [~thomas@77-23-116-225-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 23:05:54 definitely 23:06:06 also to edit running instances of bittads 23:06:12 I used it a lot 23:06:18 ok 23:06:36 but as I said, I'm rather pragmatical, I don't use a tool for a tool's sake 23:06:44 well, not always :P 23:06:56 well, fandom for slime is a rather fact driven affair. 23:07:03 'm also rather experimental ;) (interpret it as you wish ;)) 23:07:12 it is just incredibly useful. 23:07:19 Definitely! 23:07:33 I like it a lot too :) 23:07:39 I find myself wanting to invoke ls, cat, tail etc on the REPL quite often. Is there something like that available? 23:07:49 but for small apps sometimes it's not worth the trouble to set it up 23:07:56 for big products I cannot live without it 23:08:22 sigjuice_: THAT's exactly what acme does well 23:08:43 you can just put those commands on the toolbar by typing it there and middle-click it to execute ;) 23:10:29 PuercoPop [~user@190.41.173.174] has joined #lisp 23:10:50 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:11:12 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-199.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:11:14 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:11:35 For non-lisp things I love to work with emacs with evil-mode 23:11:49 I love vim-power for text editing things 23:11:51 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-199.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 23:12:22 and that is what makes acme a good match for me: I can use the full sam (non-linebased ed, basically) command language 23:12:25 is there something like /dev/null in CL? A kind of "null stream"? 23:12:36 (make-broadcast-stream) 23:12:43 Krystof: merci :-) 23:12:52 joyeux Noël 23:13:14 feliz natal 23:13:22 gelukkig kerstfeest 23:13:23 :) 23:13:58 feliz navidad 23:14:14 are there more people here that work or worked with CL for a living? 23:14:19 or with another lisp dialect? 23:14:20 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:14:23 killerboy [~mateusz@axf29.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 23:15:16 -!- whitedawg [~whitedawg@122.178.217.87] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:15:21 LaPingvino: I was just hoping for a handful of functions that mimic common UNIX commands. 23:15:44 LaPingvino: with CL certainly, although perhaps not now in the channel 23:16:09 sigjuice_: there is osicat, which I think provides some of that. It is a rare need. 23:16:28 prxq: damn you, I now have to listen to José Feliciano ! :D 23:16:41 ugh 23:16:46 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 23:16:49 how is that my fault?? :) 23:17:16 prxq: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feliz_Navidad_(song) :D 23:17:18 por hablar Español, por supuesto 23:17:22 :P 23:17:33 sigjuice_, there is also inferior-shell, which allows you to call unix command strings 23:17:35 prxq: Thanks. I will check it out. After spending a while in the REPL, I find that CMD-TAB to switch to a shell is too much of a context switch. 23:18:30 (though inferior-shell on its own probably isn't that convenient for occasional commands) 23:18:35 sigjuice: check com.informatimago.common-lisp.interactive.browser 23:18:46 There is something on the clisp site about using shell stuff in CL context... (using clisp as your shell...) 23:18:57 iirc 23:18:57 sigjuice: there are cl functions like ls, cd, pwd, pushd, popd, cat, more, etc. 23:19:13 sigjuice_: I can recommend org-mode +babel+tangle if you want a 'repl' for any language at all that is not CL 23:19:46 *drewc* uses it all the time for /bin/sh stuff 23:19:48 -!- ezakimak [~nick@ns1.nickleippe.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:20:19 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-199.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:20:54 sigjuice_: http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/intro.html#source-code-execution 23:21:19 Thra11 [~thrall@146.90.62.19] has joined #lisp 23:21:39 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-199.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 23:22:16 LaPingvino: did you know lisp before joining streamtech? 23:22:20 pjb: that looks exactly like the thing I am looking for. Is it in quicklisp? 23:22:54 "place point anywhere inside a block and press C-c C-c to run the code" ... you mean, Read the code,Eval it, and Print it? well, add L to the end because I will likely hit C-c C-c more than once. ;) 23:23:02 prxq: learned Clojure before starting there, and looked at Common Lisp as well 23:23:13 mizlev [~mizlev@72.Red-83-61-39.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 23:23:16 was just trying to find my way 23:23:25 i infer that you didn't work there for too long :-) 23:23:40 as clojure is rather new 23:23:47 I mostly got to Lisp because I didn't like the limitations of Python lambdas ;) 23:23:55 sigjuice: yes: (ql:quickload :com.informatimago.common-lisp) and you have it. 23:24:02 when I learned it it was very very new 23:24:12 -!- Thra11_ [~thrall@87.114.115.175] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:24:18 about a year I think 23:24:35 not sure 23:25:15 I worked at streamtech until I left to Brazil to marry 23:25:34 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-199.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:25:37 Corvidium [~cosman246@61-91-20-179.static.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 23:26:00 Let's see what will follow :) 23:27:20 well, now you are officially a closet plan9 lisper. whoa! :-) 23:27:25 I'm rather young myself 23:27:39 only 23 23:27:45 and a polyglot as well :P 23:28:00 that's rather usual in nl 23:28:05 I just enjoy life :) 23:28:17 yeah, but not many people have 9 conversational languages ;) 23:28:29 plus some learning 23:28:40 ok, that is true, that is a polyglot even for nl standards :-) 23:28:57 :) 23:28:59 thought so 23:29:09 a lot of people get at dabbling in 5 23:29:34 but well, maybe to discount on that... 3 are artificial 23:29:39 i had the impression 3 as conversational is fairly common 23:29:42 but so are all programming languages ;) 23:30:02 well, i lived in utrecht for about a year, and found that amazing 23:30:04 yes, although most speak 2 conversationally and dabble in 2 or 3 more 23:30:13 english and dutch very well 23:30:28 dabbling in french, german and some other language like spanish 23:30:33 that's pretty common 23:30:34 -!- mizlev [~mizlev@72.Red-83-61-39.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:30:50 but I'm a bit of a daredevil in languages I guess :P 23:30:59 what did you do in Utrecht? 23:31:03 Study? 23:31:07 postdoc 23:31:11 ah okay :) 23:31:18 did you like it? 23:31:22 oh yes 23:31:39 grachten and stuff 23:31:53 hehe :) 23:32:02 I live near Maastricht now 23:32:08 just across the border in Belgium 23:32:13 but now visiting my parents in Ede 23:32:25 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:32:27 i worked like a madman and traveled a lot, so i did not get to enjoy it as much as i would have liked. 23:32:27 that's quite something diferent ;) 23:32:28 -!- segmond_ is now known as segmond 23:32:36 so come back and enjoy :) 23:33:08 maybe visit my old boss in The Hague :) 23:34:10 *drewc* only speaks 3 langs ...and his Ulster Irish is really only baby talk and "pog ma thon" 23:34:13 don't know if still, but he loves to get foreigners to The Hague to work with lisp 23:34:48 drewc: don't worry :) every programming language can get you a little edge to learn human languages later on as well :) 23:35:02 It's a way of thinking :) 23:35:20 *prxq* wonders what natural language lisp corresponds to 23:35:20 -!- PuercoPop [~user@190.41.173.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:35:40 something with a lot of 'th's.. 23:35:46 prxq: that's a good question :P 23:35:52 hehe :P 23:36:32 no, that would be Autocad and emacs, because those HAVE a lisp ;) 23:36:35 drewc: you are a true org-mode power user, i gather? 23:37:01 minion: cl-org-mode? 23:37:01 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``cl-org-mode''. 23:37:18 oh ..well ... it is on common-lisp.net :) 23:37:23 heh ok 23:37:48 and I do not use it anymore at all, because it taught me a lot about things ... 23:38:52 but ... the parser for org-mode is one of my tests for my monadic parser combinators ... http://drewc.org/interface/monads-3b.html#sec-5 23:39:37 so, cl-org-mode was 2009 IIRC .. 2013 will see a new version based on a proper 23:40:17 http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-org-mode/ 23:40:32 LaPingvino: that's the one 23:40:44 LaPingvino: are you using sbcl under windows? 23:40:50 just installed it again 23:40:59 cosfx [~cosfx@ip68-97-133-204.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 23:41:02 I used to use it on Ubuntu 23:41:10 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:41:13 now installed it on Windows 23:41:19 I'm quite passive with it 23:41:32 you just let it sit there? :-) 23:41:41 somehow, yes 23:41:47 I'm not married to it ;) 23:41:54 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:42:12 k0001 [~k0001@host108.186-125-119.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 23:42:18 my wife already has to give me away enough with so much computer fiddling I do... 23:44:00 curious if it would run natively on inferno :P 23:44:09 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:44:09 probably would need some porting... 23:44:13 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 23:44:36 it would be a heck of a job to do that in limbo I guess... 23:45:33 lisping in an infernal limbo 23:45:57 *prxq* pulls a box with 'acme' written on it 23:46:19 did coyote have a lisp? 23:46:51 hehe :P 23:46:55 we can give him one :P 23:47:00 pjb: looks really neat. I can't get ls to work though. (ls) only shows me dot files. 23:47:59 -!- cosfx [~cosfx@ip68-97-133-204.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:48:22 (coyotep `(e . eliw)) => T 23:49:39 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:51:08 -!- sirdancealot7 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:53:00 -!- Thra11 [~thrall@146.90.62.19] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:56:04 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c11ed.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]