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Any suggestions on what might be going on? 00:25:50 clhs funcall 00:25:50 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_funcal.htm 00:26:10 sigjuice: « If function is a symbol, it is coerced to a function as if by finding its functional value in the global environment. » 00:26:13 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0-dev] 00:27:01 WarWeasle [~brad@c-98-253-8-204.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:27:13 -!- WarWeasle [~brad@c-98-253-8-204.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:27:46 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:28:18 bitonic [~user@ppp-172-62.24-151.libero.it] has joined #lisp 00:28:43 Thanks! I just read that page but missed that sentence somehow :p 00:28:55 -!- bitonic [~user@ppp-172-62.24-151.libero.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:29:08 sigjuice: notice that (defun f () 'hi) (flet ((f () 'lo)) (funcall 'f)) --> hi 00:29:25 sigjuice: contrarily to (defun f () 'hi) (flet ((f () 'lo)) (funcall (function f))) --> lo 00:29:30 bitonic [~user@ppp-172-62.24-151.libero.it] has joined #lisp 00:36:53 pjb: so your first example demonstrates the part about finding the functional value in the global environment? 00:38:06 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0-dev] 00:39:42 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:40:27 tcr [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 00:42:21 -!- [SLB] is now known as [SLB]` 00:42:26 Any reason to prefer #'func over 'func in places where they would do the same thing? 00:43:07 you can possibly avoid a lookup 00:43:44 Bike: with #'? or with ' ? 00:43:50 with #' 00:45:07 -!- tcr [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:47:17 sigjuice: yes. (funcall 'f) ignores the lexical bindings of the function. 00:47:47 sigjuice: there are reasons to prefer one or the other, depending on the circumstances. 00:48:24 You'd use 'f if you'd want a new definition of f to be taken into account. You'd use #'f if not. 00:48:49 (defun f () 'old) (defvar *the-fun* 'f) (defun f () 'new) (funcall *the-fun*) --> new 00:48:57 (defun f () 'old) (defvar *the-fun* (function f)) (defun f () 'new) (funcall *the-fun*) --> old 00:50:17 it is better to always use #'f 00:51:18 otherwise you will take yourself down in a big project 00:51:36 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@212.233.134.172] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:53:46 It's better to always use 'f 00:53:49 otherwise you will take yourself down in a big project 00:55:21 using 'f will cause new difinition "over" the old one with the same name 00:55:31 Exactly what you'd want. 00:56:09  depending on the circumstances. 00:56:31 #'f will be clear 00:56:51 My point is that you just cannot use such a hard coded rule! 00:57:15 -!- LiamH [~none@96.231.220.53] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:57:55 indeed i always use #'f as (function f) 00:58:14 -!- agumonkey [~agu@243.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:58:41 For example, as argument to set-macro-character, you'll prefer (quote f) in general, so you can easily redefine the reader macro function. 00:58:46 'f is useful when you want to make changes to the running program and have all the code use new function, instead of using old one 00:59:00 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-72-66-104-130.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:59:03 you'd just recompile the old function 01:00:32 yes 01:01:34 -!- pspace [~andrew@d118-75-192-10.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:01:59 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:02:23 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:04:11 pjb: If I paste all four sexps in the first line into my REPL, I get NEW. If I do the next line, I still get NEW. 01:04:59 sigjuice: check what's in *the-fun*, it may not have set 01:05:22 -!- spiderweb [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 01:05:59 It says # 01:07:36 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:09:16 -!- lonjil [~lonjil@c213-89-84-28.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:13:31 sigjuice: s/defvar/defparameter/ 01:13:35 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.99.110] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:14:44 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:16:05 LAMMJohnson [~john@user-5AF432F7.broadband.tesco.net] has joined #lisp 01:19:59 -!- tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:24:58 pnorton [~pnorton@ip68-8-180-107.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:27:36 fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:28:41 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(let ((*print-base* 16)) 17) => 17 08:50:42 yes, 17 is written outside the dynamic extent of the binding. try (let ((*print-base* 16)) (write 17)) 08:51:35 -!- qNemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:52:14 -!- tcr [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:52:42 qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has joined #lisp 08:52:48 Is there a way to influence the "outside"? 08:52:59 you could (setf *print-base* 16) 08:54:50 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-219.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:55:40 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-219.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:00:12 -!- Bike [~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: sleep] 09:05:13 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@122.236.246.171] has quit [Quit: my website: http://stardiviner.dyndns-blog.com/] 09:06:48 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.185.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:10:52 DataLinkDroid 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10:56:04 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:57:05 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 10:57:52 pavelpenev [~quassel@212.233.134.172] has joined #lisp 11:01:05 jeti [~user@p548EAD89.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:04:07 faheem [~faheem@bulldog.duhs.duke.edu] has joined #lisp 11:09:34 can anyone point me to documentation (preferably online, but a book is also ok) for the notation #2A((1 2)(3 4)) ? 11:10:00 -!- madrik [~user@122.168.215.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:10:38 There are many references to make-array 11:11:10 i assume this notation is shorthand for a specific version of make-array but I haven't found it 11:13:04 yeah 11:13:14 use (type-of ) 11:14:16 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/02_dhl.htm 11:14:18 (type-of #2a((1 2) (3 4))) 11:14:19 (SIMPLE-ARRAY T (2 2)) 11:14:30 > (make-array '(2 2)) 11:14:30 #2A((NIL NIL) (NIL NIL)) 11:14:56 segmond: thanks, that's very helpful. it is hard to search for a # symbol 11:15:47 clhs #a 11:15:47 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_dhl.htm 11:15:51 it is easy! 11:16:11 in slime, that's C-c C-d # and then #a 11:16:16 stassats: what is clhs? a bot? 11:16:27 no, a very dedicated human being 11:16:31 stassats: heh 11:16:37 i'm hungry 11:17:32 stassats: thanks, C-c C-d # and then #a works 11:17:35 i was using google 11:18:31 of course it does! (incidentally, that was my first contribution to slime) 11:20:00 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-219.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:20:03 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 11:20:29 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-219.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:21:08 francogrex [~user@109.134.234.33] has joined #lisp 11:21:26 do you think this can be optimzed better: http://paste.lisp.org/display/134247 ? 11:21:47 inlining the first function maybe? other extras or missing? suggestions welcome thanks 11:21:49 it can be indented better, that's for sure 11:22:05 optimized 11:22:11 indented ok 11:22:18 did you know that (simple-vector *) == simple-vector? 11:22:39 no, so redundancy then 11:22:40 local (inline random-element) won't do a thing 11:22:51 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:23:04 yes I indeed tried that and the disassembly did not change 11:23:19 but I thought I was inlining the wrong way 11:23:38 there needs to be an inline expansion available, so, use a top-level (declaim (inline random-element)), before defun random-element 11:23:39 (declaim (ftype ... helps? 11:23:48 stassats: ok 11:24:03 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 11:24:27 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 11:24:37 ; alloc_overflow_ecx can it be removed? 11:24:53 rotty [rotty@de.xx.vu] has joined #lisp 11:25:04 do you know that it won't go into bignums? 11:25:26 yes there is no need for bignums 11:26:26 I think ; # we can't do anything about it here (in any way that is simple) right? 11:26:59 where do you see ; alloc_overflow_ecx ? 11:27:26 Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.13.40.10] has joined #lisp 11:27:54 sorry I didn't paste this: http://paste.lisp.org/display/134247#1 11:29:18 anyhow, are you sure that micro-optimization is what you should be doing now? 11:30:56 it's not bad within its context as it is. I worked on the algorithm better. I think teh sample-with-replacement function with the overall program still conses a lot, don't allocate a vector 11:31:38 the "results" local you mean ? 11:31:45 yes 11:32:00 make-array n :element-type 'fixnum ... but what alternative? 11:32:13 re-use an existing one 11:32:41 so define results outside and uses it repeatedly... 11:32:53 what do you do with that vector after the call to sample-with-replacement? 11:33:23 can't you just paste the whole code? 11:34:21 I can but maybe too complicated. I will. With results it is used to store in another variable s-observed and that is used ... (loop for i across s-observed ...I will show the whole code 11:34:56 so, why not do that loop computation inside sample-with-replacement? 11:35:00 without allocating anything? 11:36:39 yes. I wanted to divide into different chuncks. See http://paste.lisp.org/display/134247#2 you'll probably have a headache 11:37:53 stassats: you added the clhs search function to slime? 11:38:15 faheem: no, looking up for reader macros, such as #a 11:38:24 stassats: ah, i see 11:39:06 cosfx [~cosfx@ip68-97-83-6.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 11:39:23 francogrex: so you just count something, well, of course you can skip allocation of the vector 11:41:07 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:41:17 you are also doing (remove nil coll), why not avoid pushing nulls in the first place? 11:41:31 -!- Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.13.40.10] has quit [Quit: used jmIrc] 11:41:56 yes yes 11:42:30 and you do (nth 1 (nth 0 results)) twice, while you can save it to a temporary variable 11:43:18 and you do (car (last val)) on each iteration 11:43:31 in p-val-simulations yes 11:43:39 ehu` [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 11:43:52 -!- ehu` [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 11:43:53 good good 11:44:18 how can I avoid pushing nulls ... thinking out loud 11:44:29 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:44:29 puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 11:44:59 (let ((x (LR ...))) (when x (push x coll))) 11:45:06 naturally 11:45:39 Iw as thinking of fixing LR to avoid evaluating it altogether when null results are expected... 11:45:59 but maybe I can't predict beforehand 11:47:43 -!- myx [~myx@pppoe-220-15-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Quit: ] 11:51:04 francogrex: http://paste.lisp.org/display/134247#3 11:52:08 the call should be count-with-replacement, of course 11:52:31 yes sure 11:53:00 stassats: like always many thanks I'll use that 11:53:17 I was already on your suggestions 11:53:23 well, i didn't test it, of course 11:53:29 but not yet the allocation 11:54:05 for i to n can be replaced with repeat n 11:55:15 the dotimes replaced with loop repeat 11:56:04 doomlord [~doomlod@host109-151-246-226.range109-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 11:56:08 (every #'plusp (list mr nr ms ns msr nsr (- 1 (div mr nr)) (- 1 (div ms ns)) (- 1 (div msr nsr)))) that's silly as well 11:58:23 I'm sure it is but at the time it was the most obvious to me 11:58:33 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-219.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:58:35 spelling everything out will do (and (plusp mr) (plusp nr)) 11:58:53 will be faster, will avoid division when not needed, and no need to check for nil 11:59:14 and what made you think that catching errors is better than checking that the second argument is nil? 11:59:17 s/nil/0/ 11:59:22 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-219.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:59:48 sigjuice: re: subtle, read: https://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/58f1c7ed53d0c0d6 the point is that defun creates global "special" function bindings, while flet/labels create local lexical function bindings. On the other hand, since there's no pre-defined operator to establish a local special function binding, the difference appears only in funcall and apply (and the functions that call them) with respect to (quote f) 11:59:48 vs. (function f). 12:01:02 ? the function itself cannot be computed if the conditions are not met 12:01:15 these are inherent restrictions 12:01:24 I'm not sure I understood you well 12:01:24 -!- tjasko__ [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:01:55 tjasko__ [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:02:52 -!- Tok-A-Mak_ [~Tok@178-82-217-151.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:02:58 you don't need to check for division by zero in (/ msr nsr), because you already check that nsr is > 0 12:04:36 keltvek [~keltvek@89-212-113-105.static.t-2.net] has joined #lisp 12:07:34 and (plusp (- 1 (/ x y))) is just (< x y) 12:08:21 ah 12:10:30 -!- PuercoPop 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likelihood, the binary in the #! is missing 13:16:41 well, $ file lispworks-personal-6-0-1-x86-linux => lispworks-personal-6-0-1-x86-linux: ELF 32-bit LSB executable 13:16:43 dlowe, lispworks-personal-6-0-1-x86-linux is a binary file, not a script 13:16:51 are you x86-64? 13:16:53 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 13:16:57 stassats: yes 13:17:03 do you have 32-bit libraries? 13:17:12 aha! 13:17:28 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.89.39] has joined #lisp 13:17:32 good point. and I did not know how to install it in ubuntu.... 13:18:24 how about apt-get install ia32-libs? 13:18:31 or just libc6-i386 13:20:04 gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 13:20:07 trying.... 13:21:41 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:21:43 zophy [~sy@24.111.9.10] has joined #lisp 13:23:15 -!- madrik [~user@122.168.215.232] has left #lisp 13:24:17 xcombelle 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hexstream wrote a library called triage-declarations 16:35:22 and? 16:36:03 -!- confab [~confab@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:37:01 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-193-71.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:37:02 it's cool 16:37:59 Artheist [~quassel@ARennes-656-1-307-35.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 16:38:33 it's incomplete but, it is supposed to help coders identify where declarations would be inserted 16:39:27 I would like to have something like C's gcc when I request it to tell me: "I'm not compiling your crappy program because you are missing declarations" 16:40:25 SBCL with speed 3 already includes hints for declarations 16:41:41 in which context? I mean when compiling a function? 16:42:06 when compiling several functions too 16:42:37 a speed 3 at proclaim level then bacause locally no notes 16:43:58 declaim I mean 16:46:23 I suggest that you patch your sbcl to give you notes every time you declare (speed 3): "you should improve your algorithm and data structures first" 16:49:08 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-219.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:50:53 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:52:12 kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 16:52:57 -!- LAMMJohnson [~john@5adb68e5.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:56:26 -!- jungy [~smuxi@68.48.245.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:58:07 jungy [~smuxi@68.48.245.159] has joined #lisp 16:58:50 applicable for everybody 16:59:58 dented42 [~dented42@opengroove.org] has joined #lisp 17:00:11 francogrex: http://paste.lisp.org/+2VL8 17:00:39 -!- asvil [~user@ns.osvtl.spb.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:01:15 -!- Artheist [~quassel@ARennes-656-1-307-35.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:01:19 is one supposed to be able to create a class with a slot that has the same name as one of the superclasses slots? do they just get merged into a single slot? 17:01:30 Yes, and yes. 17:01:51 ok, thanks 17:01:55 dented42: notice that it is easy to define the subclass in a different package so the slots have actually different names. 17:02:07 ooh, I didn't think of that 17:02:23 (slots are named by symbols. two different symbols can have the equal names. symbols are named by strings.) 17:02:33 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:02:48 yes 17:03:01 pjb: what I needed! 17:03:10 sbcl will signal a style-warning in that case 17:03:36 Sometimes that's what you want. Notably when you restrict the type of the slot in the subclass. 17:04:28 cdidd [~cdidd@95-28-17-91.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 17:12:34 stardiviner [~stardivin@122.236.241.111] has joined #lisp 17:12:51 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 17:22:26 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:25:28 -!- Slivka [~Slivka@81.4.242.0] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:26:56 segmond_ [~segmond@adsl-99-150-134-125.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:27:24 -!- tjasko__ [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:27:53 tjasko__ [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:30:45 spiderweb [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #lisp 17:30:52 -!- segmond [~segmond@adsl-108-73-161-90.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:31:03 -!- segmond_ is now known as segmond 17:32:17 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.204.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:32:40 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:38:04 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-96-240-138-223.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 17:44:08 what does this mean (especially the cost part) doing float to pointer coercion (cost 13) ... ? 17:44:36 you're returning a float, it needs to be boxed 17:45:09 it costs 13 what? 17:45:30 13 euro 17:45:33 and how do I box it? 17:45:48 you can't, it's boxed automatically 17:46:16 rexim [~rexim@unaffiliated/rexim] has joined #lisp 17:49:12 -!- tcr [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:49:29 -!- francogrex [~user@109.134.234.33] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:51:14 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 17:52:33 p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has joined #lisp 17:54:35 -!- hugod [~user@bas1-montreal08-1279585004.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:55:25 anybody know anything about the hunchentoot trip planner / en route spokane / etc. ? 17:55:38 Drak0n41K [~Drak0n41K@94.137.54.69] has joined #lisp 17:56:39 Hi, does anyone know how can I use function defined with flet in the format ~/.../ directive? 17:57:46 you can't 17:59:06 -!- mizlev [~mzl@51.Red-79-156-39.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: mizlev] 17:59:49 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:02:00 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 18:02:34 you can do (defun call-local (stream function &rest args) (apply function stream args)) ... 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(format t "~/call-local/" #'foo)) 18:02:56 i'm not sure why would you want to do that, though 18:04:10 it may be not the greatest idea, but how can I make my whole quicklisp site compiled with (debug 3) pls? in sbcl 18:04:27 (sb-ext:restrict-compiler-policy 'debug 3) 18:04:46 i use debug 2 all the time 18:04:47 what if there are functions that locally force speed 3 for example? 18:05:04 for development, I really prefer all in debug mode 18:05:19 speed and debug are not mutually exclusive 18:05:49 I know, I prefer to invalidate local settings, but I think it may not be possible 18:06:01 it's not possible indeed 18:06:05 ok, thx 18:06:08 only upward 18:06:26 (sb-ext:restrict-compiler-policy 'debug 3) ---> in my .sbclrc ? 18:06:37 wherever you want 18:06:54 thx 18:07:08 (sb-ext:restrict-compiler-policy 'safety 3) too 18:07:31 good idea 18:08:55 stassats: thanks, I am just learning lisp and I am trying to implement every crazy idea that comes to my mind :) 18:10:08 bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:10:58 Slivka [~Slivka@81.4.242.0] has joined #lisp 18:11:19 nan_ [~user@178.233.216.230] has joined #lisp 18:16:17 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-219.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:17:19 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-163-133-111.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:19:37 *RenJuan* notes that after investigation, there doesn't appear to be anything much to know and EW should prolly that that off the list of apps 18:20:06 -!- Forty-3 is now known as Forty-Elf 18:20:11 *take that off 18:21:02 -!- gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:26:16 Longlius [~quassel@68.170.235.238] has joined #lisp 18:26:42 -!- LiamH [~none@96.231.220.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:31:13 in http://www.paulgraham.com/carl.html 4 (and 11) still an issue? 18:32:49 you can have static arrays 18:33:00 nan_: things are probably changing a little, when you run on google's computers. But that shouldn't change fundamentally the architecture of that application, and keeping the data in that kind of "compressed" buffer may still be a solution. 18:35:10 normanrichards [~normanric@72-48-145-180.static.grandenetworks.net] has joined #lisp 18:35:33 -!- tjasko__ [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:35:53 tjasko__ [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:36:10 Joreji [~thomas@77-23-116-225-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 18:41:33 stassats: pjb: as far as i understand they had troubles with loading array of POD structures, structs being POD and reading gigs of data. i think i'll try and find out myself soon as i need something like that too, thanks 18:42:17 well, you can directly mmap files into lisp 18:43:41 -!- pnpuff [~Eternit9a@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: < A-Momentary-Lapse-Of-Reason >] 18:44:07 -!- rexim [~rexim@unaffiliated/rexim] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:45:44 whitedawg [~whitedawg@122.179.41.211] has joined #lisp 18:46:54 Bike [~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:47:02 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-96-240-138-223.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:49:34 tcr [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 18:53:16 zophy [~sy@24.111.9.10] has joined #lisp 18:53:46 when the veil of commerce is drawn, as in this ITA/QPX software thing, whose present lisp content I take it is unknown, I lose interest. 18:53:56 -!- tcr [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:53:56 LiamH [~none@96.231.220.53] has joined #lisp 18:54:17 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-156-84.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:54:49 veil/curtain 18:57:33 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 18:58:25 drawn/falls 18:58:46 -!- LiamH [~none@96.231.220.53] has quit [Client Quit] 19:01:10 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Client Quit] 19:01:42 antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has joined #lisp 19:03:10 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.81.90] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:04:22 RenJuan: welcome to losing interest in huge chunk of interesting code in any language 19:05:36 p_l: or to gain interest to some chunks of interesting code in any language too, when corporations free their software. 19:05:54 -!- tjasko__ [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:06:14 tjasko__ [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:10:11 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-20-105.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:11:35 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:11:53 pjb: I'm just reminded of people who will go "disinterested" at any mention of commercial use, no matter the level of openess 19:12:08 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 19:12:15 jewel [~jewel@105-236-20-105.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:12:48 but this is probably going to be waaaaaay off topic, and I'm not in the mood for doing that ;) 19:19:08 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-20-105.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:19:35 mizlev [~mzl@51.Red-79-156-39.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 19:19:41 francisl [~anonymous@bas6-montreal45-1176493761.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 19:19:59 -!- Joreji [~thomas@77-23-116-225-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:21:33 -!- jeti [~user@p548EAD89.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #lisp 19:24:11 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-219.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:24:28 -!- whitedawg [~whitedawg@122.179.41.211] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:25:09 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-163-235.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 19:25:35 francisl_ [~anonymous@bas6-montreal45-1176493761.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 19:25:49 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-161.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:27:33 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:27:47 -!- francisl [~anonymous@bas6-montreal45-1176493761.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:27:47 -!- francisl_ is now known as francisl 19:28:12 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 19:30:43 p_l, I didn't indicate it was a new response. The start of my professional career predates the rise of FOSS. 19:31:20 and if the software is accessible then the veil/curtain metaphor is inapplicable 19:31:49 in the case of ITA/GPX the degree of access (to sources) appears to be nil 19:32:17 or FTM even finding out the current use of lisp 19:33:57 unlike some google units, this one doesn't seem to be saying anything about it being OSS 19:35:32 -!- honkfestival [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:36:31 -!- tjasko__ [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:36:52 tjasko__ [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:38:55 -!- _d3f [~freedo@46.183.216.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:40:42 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 19:44:28 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:44:33 honkfestival [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 19:46:14 LiamH [~none@96.231.220.53] has joined #lisp 19:47:16 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49:54 tcr [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 19:53:03 tcr1 [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 19:53:43 -!- teiresias [~teiresias@archlinux/trusteduser/teiresias] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:54:12 -!- tcr [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:55:32 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-156-84.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:55:42 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.209.237] has joined #lisp 19:56:42 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:00:18 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-220-191-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [] 20:01:33 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:02:35 ryanbw [~user@cpe-24-30-157-211.dc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:05:37 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 20:05:38 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-156-84.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:05:46 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:05:55 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 20:05:59 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:06:51 -!- tjasko__ [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:07:14 tjasko__ [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:09:31 bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:10:04 francogrex [~user@109.134.234.33] has joined #lisp 20:10:17 http://paste.lisp.org/display/134253 help! 20:10:38 i don't see any code 20:11:18 -!- zophy [~sy@24.111.9.10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:11:29 "FOR (A B) FIXNUM"? 20:11:45 i think you want of-type (fixnum) 20:12:01 RenJuan: majority of code from google is completely closed, with scientific/technical papers being the only means of learning about it all, with some occassional blog post 20:12:16 only few very visible projects are OSS (Android, Chromium, etc.) 20:12:43 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:13:03 for i fixnum is ok ? 20:13:07 yes 20:13:23 but (a b) :of-type (... 20:13:38 but what? 20:13:55 cosfx [~cosfx@ip68-97-83-6.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 20:14:01 for (a b) ;of-type (fixnum) 20:14:10 what is your question? 20:14:31 is that the correct declarartion. 20:14:44 ? 20:15:08 well, i told you to use it, that means it's correct 20:17:17 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@101.175.148.65] has joined #lisp 20:19:51 Yuuhi [benni@p5483A7FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:20:16 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-161.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:21:15 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-161.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:23:43 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@72-48-145-180.static.grandenetworks.net] has quit [] 20:24:08 -!- Posterdati [~antani@host106-212-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:24:56 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:25:51 -!- cosfx [~cosfx@ip68-97-83-6.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:26:20 -!- malpas [~al@92.Red-83-35-232.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Quit] 20:34:48 -!- xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-71-228.w92-146.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:37:33 -!- tjasko__ [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:37:53 tjasko__ [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:46:08 -!- honkfestival [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:47:06 honkfestival [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 20:47:26 p_l, yeah I know but they front otherwise 20:47:59 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:48:49 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 20:49:41 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-39-171.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 20:50:57 bitonic` [~user@ppp-137-41.24-151.libero.it] has joined #lisp 20:52:23 -!- bitonic [~user@ppp-172-62.24-151.libero.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:53:04 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-96-240-138-223.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 20:53:04 it's for (a b) :of-type (single-float single-float) twince 20:53:08 twice 20:55:04 RenJuan: well... not really. They are quite upfront about that. Any sensible company these days keeps the "money bringer" close to heart, or uses hostage-keeping licensing 20:59:38 -!- francogrex [~user@109.134.234.33] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:01:52 -!- mizlev [~mzl@51.Red-79-156-39.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: mizlev] 21:05:55 tcr [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 21:09:57 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-227-187.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:10:40 -!- tcr [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:11:40 s0ber [~s0ber@114-25-205-171.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 21:12:12 bitonic`` [~user@ppp-89-22.24-151.libero.it] has joined #lisp 21:13:12 confab [~confab@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 21:13:32 -!- bitonic` [~user@ppp-137-41.24-151.libero.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:17:12 *stassats* optimizes ironclad's crc32 just by swapping arguments around 21:17:39 malpas 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be cool if pkhuong's tabasco-sort could be portable. 22:52:33 is it portable? 22:53:01 it uses implementation-specific hooks to get declaration information, but works without that. 22:53:21 in that you can (sort (the (array * 4) foo) ...) and it'll expand, at least. 22:53:56 minion: advice on portability? 22:53:56 You can't expect automated advice for everything. 22:54:01 minion: advice on portable? 22:54:01 #12017: It doesn't need to be portable, it just needs to work on your system. 22:54:05 there you go 22:55:23 i mean, it's more than tabasco-sort, it's supposed to allow things like that across systems. (and it works on sbcl and ccl, "my system") 22:55:28 yakov [~yakov@93-80-45-208.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 22:55:41 drewc, herep 22:57:20 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:57:41 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:57:44 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 23:02:37 Corvidium [~cosman246@61-91-20-179.static.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 23:04:08 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-161.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:05:00 -!- lacedaemon is now known as fe[nl]ix 23:06:35 tcr [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 23:07:19 ryepup [~user@216.155.103.30] has joined #lisp 23:10:57 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-233-132.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:11:21 -!- tcr [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:15:55 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@aclz198.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:17:08 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:17:47 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 23:18:43 -!- rdqfdx [~rdqfdx@78.90.88.244] has quit [Quit: terminated!] 23:21:26 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.204.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:22:03 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-091-089-005-153.hsi2.kabelbw.de] has joined #lisp 23:25:17 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:25:52 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-156-84.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: none] 23:26:08 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:26:12 -!- cosfx [~cosfx@ip68-97-133-204.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:29:46 finally I have my SLIME setup with both CCL and SBCL :) 23:31:09 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:32:38 and clisp, which is slow as hell in a crude test 23:35:47 -!- df____ is now known as df_ 23:40:23 -!- tjasko__ [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:40:54 tjasko__ [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:43:11 dim: I never felt clisp slow. You must have something strange. 23:43:21 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-96-240-138-223.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:43:43 Remember that the 'c' in 'clisp' means C, because it's a lisp implementation written in optimized C. 23:44:36 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-176-192-163.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:45:59 bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:46:26 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:49:22 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 23:52:24 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-156-84.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:56:56 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:58:59 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-156-84.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: none] 23:59:57 -!- Longlius [~quassel@68.170.235.238] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]