00:00:31 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:01:17 <-- elisp/lisp n00b. when i eval this (cdr (solar-exact-local-noon (calendar-current-date))) I get (19.758603784435117). I am trying to next this in another expression that expects it as a number, ie: 19.758603784435117. How can I convert the list? (19.75) to the atom? 19.75 ? 00:01:48 kersnert: car. but you probably want #emacs 00:02:18 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:02:20 -!- bitonic [~user@ppp-133-38.24-151.libero.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:02:56 tried #emacs. no love. Thank you. 00:03:15 pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has joined #lisp 00:05:38 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:07:09 shwouchk_ [~kosta@bzq-84-110-45-127.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 00:09:06 -!- kersnert [~user@208.91.224.5] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:09:43 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@adsl-70-249-75-62.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [] 00:15:18 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:16:51 tensorpu1ding [~tensorpud@99.148.200.147] has joined #lisp 00:20:04 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.102.67.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:20:37 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:21:56 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:21:56 -!- agumonkey [~agu@243.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:22:05 -!- ebobby [~fms@189.170.63.240] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:25:29 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:26:10 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:26:49 shwouchk__ [~shwouchk@bzq-82-81-31-208.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 00:27:01 Bike: I would have said "So you want the first item in the list? The FIRST item? #'FIRST ? :) 00:27:54 -!- shwouchk_ [~kosta@bzq-84-110-45-127.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:29:15 bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:31:29 francisl_ [~anonymous@bas6-montreal45-1176494827.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 00:31:51 quazimodo [~quazimodo@202.124.72.45] has joined #lisp 00:32:16 -!- francisl [~flavoie@bas6-montreal45-1176494827.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: francisl] 00:32:16 -!- francisl_ is now known as francisl 00:43:06 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@202.124.72.45] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:43:14 -!- urandom__ [~user@ip-5-146-56-29.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:43:59 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:52:37 -!- Thra11_ [~thrall@87.115.73.220] has quit [Quit: kthxbai] 00:52:44 -!- CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@138.23.59.162] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:52:45 -!- belabartok [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:53:02 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 00:53:46 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:57:18 -!- Spaceghostc2c [Spaceghost@unaffiliated/spaceghostc2c] has quit [Excess Flood] 00:57:59 -!- SrPx [~SrPx@177.98.105.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:59:13 Is there a package to generate docs from all docstrings of exported symbols of a package? 00:59:27 er Is there a library to do that 00:59:59 sw2wolf [~czsq888@220.166.238.216] has joined #lisp 01:01:38 Spaceghostc2c [Spaceghost@unaffiliated/spaceghostc2c] has joined #lisp 01:01:48 SrPx [~SrPx@177.98.105.124] has joined #lisp 01:02:06 Thra11 [~thrall@87.115.73.220] has joined #lisp 01:04:09 -!- sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:08:11 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:08:39 quazimodo [~quazimodo@202.124.73.39] has joined #lisp 01:09:30 jasom: there are a few... and actually what I am working on right now, my own version, for that matter. 01:09:37 WarWeasle [~brad@c-98-223-226-42.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:10:54 http://www.cliki.net/Documentation%20Tool 01:12:10 https://github.com/drewc/drewc.org/blob/master/documentation.lisp :P 01:13:54 -!- SrPx [~SrPx@177.98.105.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:16:22 myx [~myx@pppoe-206-72-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 01:17:15 Adlai_ [~user@cpe-24-90-194-156.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:17:49 sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has joined #lisp 01:17:53 tjasko__ [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:18:39 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 01:19:24 -!- leifw [~user@cpe-24-90-194-156.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:20:36 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:22:16 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@202.124.73.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:23:17 hmm commonqt qapropos doesn't work for me 01:24:12 jasom: repl-utilities has readme, which is very handy 01:24:52 madnificent: thanks 01:24:53 jasom: what you want greatly depends on what you need it for (oh, and manifest, if you want it clickable in a browser) 01:25:32 Yuuhi``` [benni@p5483A7C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 01:27:12 -!- shwouchk__ [~shwouchk@bzq-82-81-31-208.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:27:12 -!- Yuuhi`` [benni@p5483A762.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:27:34 madnificent: I'm just looking to draw some stuff to a QImage 01:29:31 hmm I ran the tutorial and everything is working now, so it must have needed some initialization 01:31:11 jasom: looks like you've got a way of finding what you're missing then :) 01:31:53 WarWeasle, have we met in #blocky? 01:32:25 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 01:35:58 sirdancealot7: Hi 01:36:02 hi 01:36:24 I don't remember. I know dto so it's quite possible. 01:36:28 anyway, we should talk sometime 01:36:35 i see 01:36:52 I'm waiting on assimp to download. so now is good. 01:37:23 im kinda tired now...but just a heads up that im following qix 01:37:42 and theres another crazy id like to introduce you to if you havent met yet 01:38:15 cfy` [~cfy@122.228.131.74] has joined #lisp 01:38:37 sirdancealot7: I'd love to hear it. You can always email me, WarWeasle1@gmail.com so I can think about it a bit. 01:39:26 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:39:31 belabartok [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #lisp 01:40:15 cool, if i sum up something worthwile to say ill ping you there 01:44:11 -!- cfy` is now known as cfy 01:44:11 -!- cfy [~cfy@122.228.131.74] has quit [Changing host] 01:44:11 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 01:44:15 Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 01:44:27 -!- Thra11 [~thrall@87.115.73.220] has quit [Quit: kthxbai] 01:45:49 SrPx [~SrPx@177.98.108.173] has joined #lisp 01:48:06 -!- boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:53:17 -!- belabartok is now known as bartok 01:54:36 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 01:58:06 Gooder [~user@218.69.12.194] has joined #lisp 02:06:20 -!- liweinan 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rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.1] 03:55:58 cosfx [~cosfx@ip68-97-83-6.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 03:56:56 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:57:53 ISF [~ivan@189.61.220.247] has joined #lisp 04:01:34 -!- hrs [~textual@c-174-62-169-43.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 04:02:28 -!- benny [~user@i577A2B36.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:06:32 Fare: What's the one-true-unit-testing-framework? 04:06:46 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 04:07:24 I wish I knew 04:07:45 sellout: Why does there need to be one? 04:07:59 sellout, no one has taken the "lisp library consolidation" effort seriously for unit testing. 04:08:31 one guy said he would... instead he started yet another one 04:08:33 (sigh) 04:08:58 ThomasH: Fare is on a kick for library consolidation. I need to write some tests, so I was wondering if he had whittled the test framework list down. 04:09:11 That guy announced it to my project, lisp-unit, by posting it in an issue thread. 04:09:40 Heh, awesome. 04:10:24 I made an effort to find his contact info and let him know that I had no problem with his announcement, it just wasn't appropriate in an issue thread. Couldn't find his info, so I just deleted it. 04:11:30 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:11:47 kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:12:11 Fare: Just declare FiveAM to be the one true test framework and point newbies to it. If it works, great, if it doesn't work, then they'll go looking for alternatives. 04:12:27 ThomasH: Or write their own ;) 04:12:53 -!- Raptum is now known as cdh473 04:13:22 nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-245-1.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 04:14:19 *ThomasH* goes to look at FiveAM again. 04:14:28 ehlo 04:14:33 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 04:16:11 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 04:21:45 Hey 04:23:54 -!- cosfx [~cosfx@ip68-97-83-6.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:24:21 -!- cataska [~user@210.64.6.233] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:27:14 browndawg [~browndawg@117.241.220.110] has joined #lisp 04:28:02 cataska [~user@210.64.6.233] has joined #lisp 04:30:28 -!- cataska [~user@210.64.6.233] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:33:08 cataska [~user@210.64.6.233] has joined #lisp 04:34:38 -!- PCChris [~Chris@cpe-65-31-47-32.woh.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:35:10 PCChris [~Chris@cpe-65-31-47-32.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:36:42 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:38:00 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-72-82.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:39:44 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 04:42:31 -!- bartok is now known as spiderweb 04:42:57 is there a library with a good function for pretty-printing arbitrary CLOS objects? 04:43:26 kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-13-50.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 04:44:17 -!- ISF [~ivan@189.61.220.247] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 04:46:41 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.241.220.110] has left #lisp 04:47:11 ,(substitute "hello world" "foo") 04:47:35 clhs substitute 04:47:35 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_sbs_s.htm 04:48:55 ,(substitute #\. #\SPACE "0 2 4 6") 04:49:18 -!- spiderweb [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:49:20 Any bot in this channel ? 04:49:27 not an evalbot 04:49:40 and you're not using substitute right anyway 04:50:00 yes, i'm clhs-ing 04:50:39 Bike, how to use bot here ? 04:50:55 "clhs thingtolookup" 04:51:19 minion: help? 04:51:19 There are multiple help modules. Try ``/msg minion help kind'', where kind is one of: "lookups", "helping others", "adding terms", "aliasing terms", "forgetting", "memos", "avoiding memos", "nicknames", "goodies", "eliza", "advice", "apropos", "acronyms". 04:51:50 -!- leoncamel [~leoncamel@124.126.174.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:51:56 thx 04:52:29 segmond_ [~segmond@adsl-99-150-129-182.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 04:54:34 -!- sirdancealot7 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:55:24 -!- Jubb [~ghost@pool-96-241-84-33.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:55:59 -!- segmond [~segmond@adsl-108-73-163-243.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:59:48 sirdancealot7 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 05:00:02 -!- Krystof [~user@81.174.155.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:04:31 -!- Thra11 [~thrall@87.115.73.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:05:31 alvis [~user@tx-184-6-181-213.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 05:05:53 banjiewen [~banjiewen@184.173.74.133-static.reverse.softlayer.com] has joined #lisp 05:08:22 mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has joined #lisp 05:10:11 spiderweb [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #lisp 05:11:41 leoncamel [~leoncamel@124.126.174.228] has joined #lisp 05:14:21 loke_erc [~user@c-4957e555.012-14-67626717.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 05:15:25 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 05:15:29 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:16:49 -!- wormphlegm [~wormphleg@c-50-131-44-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:17:41 wormphlegm [~wormphleg@c-50-131-44-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:18:00 postfuturist, fare-mop ? 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05:40:39 ahh ... that is not in a library... my bad 05:40:59 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:42:47 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:44:01 cdidd [~cdidd@89-178-201-138.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 05:48:20 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:49:09 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:51:29 -!- Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:51:38 -!- myx [~myx@pppoe-206-72-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Quit: ] 05:51:49 -!- nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-245-1.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: quit] 05:52:15 -!- lusory [~lusory@bb42-60-31-187.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:52:54 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-220.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 05:55:21 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 05:56:45 springz [~springz@123.151.195.1] has joined #lisp 06:00:53 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:03:39 LOL "<05:08:31> one guy said he would... instead he started yet another one" 06:05:02 -!- xmj [~xmj@copyfree/advocate/xmj] has left #lisp 06:09:59 ISF [~ivan@189.61.220.247] has joined #lisp 06:10:23 -!- ISF is now known as Guest22621 06:16:05 jewel [~jewel@105-236-20-105.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:17:55 -!- PCChris [~Chris@cpe-65-31-47-32.woh.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:21:51 echo-are` [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 06:23:24 -!- echo-are` is now known as echo-area` 06:27:12 -!- sw2wolf [~czsq888@220.166.238.216] has left #lisp 06:27:34 rdqfdx [~rdqfdx@78.90.88.244] has joined #lisp 06:28:02 -!- echo-area` is now known as echo-area 06:28:12 asvil [~user@ns.osvtl.spb.ru] has joined #lisp 06:29:20 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 06:30:30 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 06:33:34 -!- rus-at-work [~user@eth2845.sa.adsl.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:36:55 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:36:56 NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has joined #lisp 06:37:06 -!- NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has left #lisp 06:39:19 kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 06:44:18 hello 06:44:23 cornihilio [~cornihili@softbank126127243122.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 06:49:35 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 06:50:07 browndawg1 [~browndawg@117.241.220.145] has joined #lisp 06:50:07 browndawg [~browndawg@117.241.220.145] has joined #lisp 06:50:12 -!- browndawg1 [~browndawg@117.241.220.145] has left #lisp 06:50:50 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.241.220.145] has quit [Client Quit] 06:50:51 -!- dabd [~dabd@95.93.205.168] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 06:51:17 browndawg [~browndawg@117.241.220.145] has joined #lisp 06:51:34 nan_ [~user@178.233.216.230] has joined #lisp 06:53:11 hello 06:55:03 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Disconnected by services] 06:55:28 axion1 [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 06:59:21 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-20-105.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:59:52 I have a couple of question about cffi and one about naming: 07:00:32 bear3 [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has joined #lisp 07:01:20 -!- francisl [~anonymous@bas6-montreal45-1176494827.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: francisl] 07:01:34 the one about naming: I have a function that I've named with-ecore but I'm pretty sure it shouldnt be called a with-* function: http://pastebin.com/F18pbDvs 07:01:55 how should I name it in lisp style ? 07:02:01 tcr [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 07:02:08 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 07:02:13 kiuma: with- is usually used as a prefix for macros, not functions. 07:02:17 call-with-* for the function, with-* for the macro 07:02:34 kiuma: what is the progn for? 07:03:11 You might want to switch that to be a macro and have an unwind-protect as with other with-* macros.. you could then also drop the lambda 07:03:24 H4ns, it will become a macro as you noted :) there are too many lambda around 07:03:47 so many functions will become macros 07:03:47 kiuma defun has implicit progn 07:03:55 yes I know 07:04:20 It will go away if it stays a function 07:04:30 kiuma: before asking us to review code, finish it to the point where you don't know how to proceed. thank you. 07:04:31 but I'm planning to make it a macro 07:04:45 leave it as a function and wrap a macro around it 07:05:12 bear3, nice suggestion :=) thanks 07:06:07 bear3, but will be fine a macro named with- but only with a body and no parameters ? 07:07:04 sure 07:07:11 ah, ok 07:07:32 kiuma: I wouldn't do that. A macro is the way to go with this. Though if you leave it as a function, still wrap it up in an unwind-protect.. and then call it like 'in-ecore-loop' or something.. 07:07:56 BoReD_WiSdOm [~BoReD_WiS@122.168.182.25] has joined #lisp 07:08:21 unless it's something you never do, in which case I just wouldn't bother with either. If you only invoke that macro/function in one place it -might not be worth the trouble- 07:08:44 Though that's a C mentality. In this case it's just a couple of lines. Could use macrolet 07:09:03 No need to polute the package 07:09:54 -!- BoReD_WiSdOm [~BoReD_WiS@122.168.182.25] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:11:48 zulu_inuoe, thx I'll think about it 07:12:37 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 07:16:16 and... is it possible to have slime in single thread mode ? 07:16:28 -!- ryanbw [~user@cpe-24-30-157-211.dc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 07:16:31 -!- axion1 is now known as axion 07:17:17 kiuma: http://common-lisp.net/project/slime/doc/html/Communication-style.html 07:17:36 ah there, thx 07:17:39 how come you want it in a single threaded mode? 07:18:06 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-220.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:21:29 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:23:10 john-doe [pauk@stdev.org] has joined #lisp 07:26:38 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-42-49.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 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accept f as an argument 10:25:34 but f is actually a procedure? 10:25:39 so you use a procedure as an argument? 10:25:53 chitofan: this channel is about common lisp 10:26:02 chitofan: maybe go to #scheme for this. 10:26:29 ok thanks :) 10:26:31 bitonic [~user@ppp-133-38.24-151.libero.it] has joined #lisp 10:27:14 shwouchk_ [~kosta@bzq-79-176-104-107.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 10:30:22 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@apn-130-43-249-184.vodafone.hu] has joined #lisp 10:30:22 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@apn-130-43-249-184.vodafone.hu] has quit [Changing host] 10:30:22 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 10:36:02 skanev [~skanev@2001:470:1f15:1ca7:8d12:6625:7fc0:208e] has joined #lisp 10:37:04 -!- segv- [~mb@dslb-088-075-148-100.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:37:25 quazimodo [~quazimodo@202.124.72.68] has joined #lisp 10:37:41 segv- [~mb@dslb-088-075-148-100.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 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complex? 11:05:39 I already got there, but couldn't find out how to make it suite my needs 11:05:42 but thanks anyway :) 11:05:48 what are your needs? 11:06:29 Blkt: you can do something like ~:[~*~;~A~] 11:06:46 Blkt: (but that'd be shorter with ~[) 11:06:52 erm ~@[ 11:07:27 Blkt: what i mean to say is that you can consume additional arguments inside of ~[ and ~] 11:07:41 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:07:51 if an index i equals 0 mod 3 and mod 5 then print "FizzBuzz", if it equals 0 only mod 3 print "Fizz", if it equals 0 only mod 5 print "Buzz" else print i 11:08:05 -!- cornihilio [~cornihili@softbank126127243122.bbtec.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:08:19 Blkt: don't use format for that. 11:08:33 what then? 11:08:43 Blkt: straight lisp. use cond. 11:08:44 morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d003a0f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 11:08:55 too long :| 11:09:01 it's a stupid code length contest 11:09:06 but I wanted to give it a try 11:09:47 thanks guys 11:09:49 but it is easy 11:10:16 don't know how competetive the length would be, though. 11:10:30 200 - source code characters 11:10:34 best is 152 11:10:46 so I have to do it in less than 48 characters 11:11:12 thank god i got real work to do 11:11:19 or whoever :) 11:11:30 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d003a0f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Client Quit] 11:11:32 enjoy then :) 11:11:44 what about (format t "~[Fizz~]~[Buzz~]" (mod x 3)(mod x 5))? 11:12:16 -!- shwouchk_ [~kosta@bzq-79-176-104-107.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:12:16 stassats`: where is the x if neither conditions hold true? 11:12:31 didn't notice that 11:12:45 that's it! 11:14:45 (format t "~[Fizz~]~[Buzz~]~@*~[~;~[~;~a~]~]"(mod x 3)(mod x 5)x) 11:15:33 too long. 11:15:41 y 11:16:00 what about make the Fizz part print x whenever it can 11:16:06 ? 11:17:05 be back later 11:18:03 -!- tcr [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 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quit [Quit: perpetual darkness] 14:53:35 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:54:15 quanganhct [defd8a62@gateway/web/freenode/ip.222.253.138.98] has joined #lisp 14:54:31 hi there 14:54:46 i have a school coming project 14:55:00 to write a game (Miner) in lisp 14:55:23 would anyone sugest what library I should use ? 14:55:30 minion: lispbuilder-sdl 14:55:31 lispbuilder-sdl: No definition was found in the first 5 lines of http://www.cliki.net/lispbuilder-sdl 14:55:35 I find a bunch, and confuse 14:55:50 install it with quicklisp 14:56:21 morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d003a0f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 14:56:39 tcr1 [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 14:57:49 quanganhct: you could also use a web frontend, but it'll likely look less cool (unless you have some javascript wizardry up your sleeve to make the display sexy. 14:58:06 (but then again, why wouldn't you code it in javascript all the way then) 14:58:33 it's just a game, like Miner in window 14:58:42 but we must use lisp to write 14:59:13 so i think another kind of language is not permitted 14:59:32 quanganhct: and WarWeasle launched Qix and Clinch, which may be up your ally. #lispgames may be of help too 14:59:59 quanganhct: after typing it, i was thinking that it didn't make much sense to put the logic on the server for such a tiny thing. :) 15:00:02 commonqt also can be used for something like minesweeper 15:00:47 and DTO's library (can't get the name in my head) could be good for it too. guess there are a whole lot of options :) 15:01:08 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:01:09 rlx, or blocky or what-ever 15:01:52 quanganhct: or just a textual interface, if you don't need it clickable. the answer is #'format in that case :P 15:02:24 format? what about input? that is not so trivial 15:02:48 well the problem is we must implement the game with interface graphic, 2d 15:02:54 stassats`: the repl itself 15:03:03 so textual is no good 15:03:09 madnificent: for a minesweeper? really? 15:03:39 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:04:19 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:04:20 stassats`: it's surprisingly handy btw. i've done some data cleanup that way and it was surpisingly handy. for minesweeper, you'd call (flag x-pos y-pos) and for the normal click you'd call (free x-pos y-pos) 15:04:41 i'm not looking forward to play this 15:04:45 stassats`: the upside is that you can first do the logic, and then later add any kind of frontend to it :) 15:04:52 stassats`: i wasn't saying that it would be fun!!! 15:05:26 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 15:05:34 and i just played a text minesweeper in aptitude 15:06:36 quanganhct: either case, you probably want to ask on #lispgames and get dto and WarWeasel in #lispgames about what your options are. dto has made some 2d games and WarWeasel recently built a gfx lib, so both should have some good advice. and you're makig a game, in lisp. 15:07:00 why not just take lispbuilder-sdl and look at the examples? 15:07:11 no need to consult anyone 15:07:37 stassats`: because there might be abstractions built for you already. why don't we all write our own webserver? 15:07:42 'cause I have around 3 weeks to complete this project 15:07:44 Joreji [~thomas@76-078.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 15:07:45 hell, why do we even use lisp, let's all write our own language 15:07:57 madnificent: that's a non sequitur 15:08:00 so I need something very easy to learn and to do 15:08:11 quanganhct: do you know some lisp so far? 15:08:11 jewel [~jewel@105-236-20-105.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:08:18 yeah 15:08:26 a little bit 15:08:31 quanganhct: what have you written in it? 15:08:40 like working around with list, function 15:08:44 madnificent: you make it sound like it's hard to use lispbuilder-sdl 15:08:54 defun, etc 15:09:00 just logic stuff 15:09:14 so I think I could handle the logic layout 15:09:20 stassats`: that's not the point. there may be easier, cleaner, options. 15:09:33 quanganhct: have you worked with classes and the condition system? 15:09:49 not yet 15:09:52 ok 15:10:01 i had a ping-pong game submitted as a bug test case for SBCL, how easier can that be? 15:10:10 https://launchpadlibrarian.net/72369733/pong.lisp 15:10:23 you'll probably enjoy having Practical Common Lisp as a book to read :) 15:10:48 stassats`: i'm not saying lispbuilder is necessarily a bad idea 15:10:53 ah I had alook at that book 15:11:10 madnificent: so you're just trying to scare quanganhct? 15:11:22 version online though 15:11:29 stassats`: also, the casing in that file is... odd 15:12:36 madnificent: so, that just proves that even someone not proficient in lisp can make a simple game 15:12:40 stassats`: where am i scaring him? i'm telling him where he can get more information from people that are actively working with the stuff. why are you pushing so hard for lispbuilder-sdl? it's not bad or anything, but why on earth are you rooting for it so hard? is it impossible that there's something else around? 15:12:42 -!- bniels [~niels@p4FD6F16A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 15:13:05 quanganhct: the online and offline versions are the same :) 15:13:33 stassats`: it's not a bad example btw (aside from the casing) 15:14:11 i haven't read the code, just run it, seems ok 15:15:19 stassats`: so, you'd rather throw a piece of code at someone new which you didn't even look at, assuming it must be good because it uses lispbuilder-sdl, than tell him there are options? 15:15:37 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-144-5.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:17:01 quanganhct: don't use lispbuilder-sdl, spend a week researching what library to use instead 15:17:25 ok :( 15:17:45 I have work with opengl in C/C++ before 15:17:55 wonder if it's hard in lisp 15:18:08 (insert-meme :well-that-escalated-quickly) 15:18:30 -!- fantasticsid [~user@216.240.135.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19:40 quanganhct: it's easy, but apparently you need to talk to seven wise men before you can endeavour into writing it 15:20:21 sohakes [~sohakes@186.207.78.195] has joined #lisp 15:20:31 ah now THAT scares me lol 15:20:35 -!- sohakes [~sohakes@186.207.78.195] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:20:46 good, it should! 15:20:56 quanganhct: https://github.com/dlowe-net/Hello-gl 15:21:54 newbie_coder [4267ffa3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.103.255.163] has joined #lisp 15:21:56 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:22:14 adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 15:22:16 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-88.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:25:19 thanks stassats`, I'll start trying to understand OOP li Lisp first, i'll consider lispbuilder-sdl, 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nil))) (defun foo () (eq (test) (test))) cf the whole thing, C-c C-c not enough 16:00:55 (foo) => T 16:01:04 coalescing gone bad 16:01:18 -!- SrPx [~SrPx@177.98.108.173] has quit [Quit: SrPx] 16:01:29 peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has joined #lisp 16:01:36 -!- bitonic [~user@ppp-133-38.24-151.libero.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:40 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:02:10 please, don't tell me that it's legal! 16:02:28 clhs l-t-v 16:02:29 load-time-value: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/s_ld_tim.htm 16:03:08 stassats`: read-only-p is clear. 16:03:19 are you in ANSI mode? 16:04:13 doesn't matter 16:04:23 so, it's a bug 16:04:40 SrPx [~SrPx@177.98.108.173] has joined #lisp 16:05:21 bitonic [~user@ppp-133-38.24-151.libero.it] has joined #lisp 16:05:36 a shorter test-case (defun foo () (eq #1=(load-time-value (cons nil nil)) #1#)) 16:06:43 stassats`: (list nil). 16:07:35 so, now to find what causes it 16:08:55 stassats`: does that happen when you file-compile and load? 16:08:56 quazimodo [~quazimodo@202.124.73.30] has joined #lisp 16:09:41 yes, only with compile-file and load 16:09:46 -!- SrPx [~SrPx@177.98.108.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:10:37 -!- alvis [~user@tx-184-6-181-213.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:11:43 alvis [~user@tx-184-6-181-213.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 16:11:55 stassats`: you seem to be on a roll for hunting implementation bugs which stop commonqt, nice :) 16:11:58 SrPx [~SrPx@177.98.108.173] has joined #lisp 16:12:52 not just commonqt, anything large i run i get into a bug or two 16:13:02 ABCL and ECL are now much nicer in that regard 16:13:07 -!- fihi09 [~user@pool-71-190-72-125.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14:34 tcr1 [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 16:17:24 -!- ehu [~ehu@109.38.144.119] has quit [Ping 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[~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:12:51 hmm or I wonder if it couldn't be because some projects had to switch to the new sourceforge and others didn't yet 17:13:01 great, (machine-instance) is "host [127.0.1.1]" and not just "host", thanks, clisp 17:13:14 -!- gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:13:37 allegro goes a step further, (machine-instance) => "#x7f0101" 17:14:39 -!- Blkt [~user@adsl-ull-26-14.46-151.net24.it] has quit [Quit: quit!] 17:16:12 and now clisp just segfaults when running commonqt, well, i didn't imagine it would be just bug 17:16:17 just one 17:17:19 -!- kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:20:36 normanrichards [~normanric@72-48-145-180.static.grandenetworks.net] has joined #lisp 17:21:31 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:25:57 tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.148.200.147] 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of signals in foreign threads killing SBCL 17:41:20 huh 17:41:21 but those are only present in file dialogs and in qtwebkit 17:42:08 so it's not a major problem 17:42:31 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:43:34 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d003a0f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:43:36 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-172-202.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 17:44:11 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 17:44:15 morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d003a0f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 17:45:20 -!- tbjerk [~user@81.167.50.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:46:15 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 17:47:07 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:48:45 stassats`: what do you mean signals in foreign threads? 17:48:52 tbjerks [~user@81.167.50.146] has joined #lisp 17:49:05 when the process gets a signal and a foreign thread is running? 17:49:19 bartok [406a6f06@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.106.111.6] has joined #lisp 17:49:22 no, when the signal is signalled in from a foreign thread 17:49:25 -!- naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 17:49:36 naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has joined #lisp 17:52:20 -!- impulse [~impulse@65.95.105.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:53:48 impulse [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1176441281.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 17:55:07 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:55:07 -!- dlowe [dlowe@digital.sanctuary.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:55:46 dlowe [dlowe@digital.sanctuary.org] has joined #lisp 17:56:15 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 17:57:11 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@www31335u.sakura.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:58:22 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d003a0f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 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Eval'ing that at the REPL gives me an END-OF-FILE. Is this standard syntax? Is there some dependency/config I'm missing? 18:12:56 it's not standard 18:13:22 is that verbatim? because #/ is not standard at all 18:13:34 That's verbatim 18:13:45 urandom__ [~user@ip-88-152-204-29.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 18:13:47 besides, closure-html works fine on sbcl for me 18:13:53 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:13:58 is the page you're grabbing japanese? 18:14:15 http://repo.or.cz/w/closure-html.git/blob/HEAD:/src/parse/pt.lisp#l150 18:14:54 ryepup: sb-impl::*default-external-format*? 18:15:37 unbound... gonna restart my lisp and try again 18:15:45 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:15:59 emmm, (lisp-implementation-version)? 18:16:01 but the syntax is right there in the public repo linked above 18:16:16 "1.1.0" 18:16:32 then sb-impl::*default-external-format* can't be unbound 18:16:53 Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 18:16:58 I'm sorry, I probably borked my lisp somehow 18:17:07 a fresh lisp says :UTF-8 18:17:07 -!- c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-ahqodjoljqbuxznd] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:17:11 it should show something like :UTF-8 18:17:16 natch 18:17:50 so, try loading it again? 18:17:56 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-108-192-103-204.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:17:59 yep, works fine now 18:18:12 that was easy 18:18:43 -!- cosfx [~cosfx@wsip-98-175-172-245.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:18:47 I'm working on converting all my old asdf-installed dependencies to be QL installed dependencies, I bet something had a problem co-existing 18:18:57 thanks for the quick replies 18:19:03 -!- mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:21:28 ryepup: Put #+asdf-unicode :encoding #+asdf-unicode :utf-8 in the asdf:defsystem form. 18:21:42 that doesn't have anything to do with it 18:23:11 Just a reminder. 18:23:41 -!- tbjerks [~user@81.167.50.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:33:50 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:34:04 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:34:24 so, another question. I just updated quicklisp, and now when I start lisp I get a SIMPLE-ERROR Could not load ASDF "2.26" or newer. Googling a solution is failing me, any advice? 18:34:28 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:34:47 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:34:50 there's a RETRY restart that works fine, but my build bot won't be happy with this 18:38:38 -!- browndawg1 [~browndawg@117.241.222.228] has left #lisp 18:39:07 mr_vile [~carnage@9ch.in] has joined #lisp 18:41:23 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-236-176.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 18:45:37 H4ns: i saw in google you were able to get ffigen4 working in arm...how? 18:45:53 -!- ered [~ered@2001:470:8:a21:8e89:a5ff:fe15:4aa0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:46:52 talas [~talas@136.144.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 18:47:39 ered [~ered@2001:470:8:a21:8e89:a5ff:fe15:4aa0] has joined #lisp 18:50:24 findiggle [~kirkwood@173-10-106-172-BusName-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 18:51:34 -!- findiggle1 [~kirkwood@173-10-106-172-BusName-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:53:49 for the log bots and google, the "Could not load ASDF" error was caused by insufficient file permissions where QL was trying to write the FASL file 18:56:26 PCChris [~Chris@cpe-65-31-47-32.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:58:08 ISF_ [~ivan@143.106.196.178] has joined #lisp 19:01:31 it could give a better error 19:01:42 gozoner [~ebg@137.79.22.51] has joined #lisp 19:02:54 -!- mr_vile [~carnage@9ch.in] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:09:10 -!- pjb [~t@cust-seco21th2-46-193-64-247.wb.wifirst.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:12:24 -!- Thra11 [~thrall@87.115.73.220] has quit [Quit: kthxbai] 19:13:06 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 19:14:02 -!- scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 19:14:34 -!- ASau [~user@46.115.98.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:17:58 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:20:06 -!- rudi [~rudi@cm-84.208.89.228.getinternet.no] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 19:22:50 bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:27:06 Thra11 [~thrall@87.115.73.220] has joined #lisp 19:27:06 -!- Thra11 [~thrall@87.115.73.220] has quit [Client Quit] 19:27:17 Thra11 [~thrall@87.115.73.220] has joined #lisp 19:34:18 -!- KingsKnighted_ [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:40:26 -!- asvil [~user@ns.osvtl.spb.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:41:40 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:45:27 scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has joined #lisp 19:50:18 add^_ [~add^_@m90-141-22-155.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 19:50:28 -!- gozoner [~ebg@137.79.22.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:55:52 AeroNotix [~xeno@ceg138.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 19:58:15 pnpuff [~Eternit9a@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 20:02:08 pnpu1f [~Eternit9a@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 20:03:12 -!- pnpuff [~Eternit9a@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:04:24 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:05:41 pnpuff [~Eternit9a@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 20:10:13 -!- two- [~1@67.23.193.215] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:10:44 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-20-105.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:10:44 -!- Joreji [~thomas@76-078.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:11:02 -!- ragnul [~rjain@66-234-32-156.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:12:04 francogrex [~user@109.134.237.217] has joined #lisp 20:13:03 -!- pnpu1f [~Eternit9a@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:13:03 -!- pnpuff [~Eternit9a@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:14:31 if I saved a random state and I read it like that (setf *random-state* (with-open-file (str "state.dat") (read str))), I will have the same sequence of random numbers. If somene else using the same lisp implementation (but different versions) (on another PC) reads exactly the state.dat file, will they have like me the same sequence of random numbers? 20:15:20 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-210-0-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [] 20:15:29 francogrex: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/22_acj.htm 20:16:17 yes same implementation but not same version of the implementation 20:17:39 cosfx [~cosfx@wsip-98-175-172-245.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 20:23:57 francogrex: probably not. 20:24:40 which implementation? which versions? 20:24:55 its' not like the implementation's prng code changes every day.... 20:25:09 eheh 20:26:19 narmi [~sabayonus@91.140.180.106] has joined #lisp 20:26:24 i guess a more important question, with ccl at least, would be are the two machines both 32 or both 64 bit? 20:28:09 francogrex: maybe you'd like http://www.cliki.net/MT19937 20:29:16 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 20:29:39 -!- narmi [~sabayonus@91.140.180.106] has quit [Client Quit] 20:30:25 I have SBCL 1.1.2, I gave the random-state file to read to someone who has SBCL 1.0.55 and on x86 32 and he tells me the sequence is different 20:32:42 well, i guess that answers your question.... 20:32:47 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-144-5.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:33:02 hehe 20:33:03 ironclad has a prng in it you can explicitly initialize, maybe that's a surer way to go. 20:33:07 paroneayea [~user@fsf/member/paroneayea] has joined #lisp 20:33:52 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-144-5.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:35:13 typeclassy [~user@ool-ae2ceba4.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 20:36:50 kofno_ [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:37:09 -!- kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:37:12 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 20:39:31 vlion [~vlion@66-87-112-2.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 20:42:26 segv-: ironclad may have a slow one, as the cryptographically secure ones are not so fast. 20:42:44 segv-: and out of curiosity, why do you need always the same ones? 20:43:41 prxq: ask francogrex. i'm guess they're running simulations? 20:44:12 segv-: oh, ok. 20:46:36 francogrex: so, why would you need that? It's mostly curiosity. 20:51:11 prxq: it's exactly what you though, we are running monte-carlo simulations, working both on the same stats algorithm and making modifications, we want to keep the same results (of p-values) 20:51:35 pjb [~t@cust-seco21th2-46-193-64-247.wb.wifirst.net] has joined #lisp 20:51:47 or what segv- thought 20:54:23 -!- ISF_ [~ivan@143.106.196.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:55:30 milanj [~milanj_@82.117.199.26] has joined #lisp 20:56:11 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:57:33 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 20:58:09 francogrex: but isn't it more interesting and significant to get the same results with different sequences? 20:58:20 -!- nan_ [~user@178.233.216.230] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:58:35 nan_ [~user@178.233.216.230] has joined #lisp 20:59:18 prxq: it's nice to know that your testing apparatus works the same with the same input. 20:59:46 Bike: but you get that by having the same code 21:00:01 and the same data. 21:00:44 tensorpu1ding [~tensorpud@99.23.127.32] has joined #lisp 21:01:34 ragnul [~rjain@66-234-32-156.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has joined #lisp 21:01:40 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.148.200.147] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:01:47 no, i mean, if you have the same code it's clear that it will do the same with the same data. 21:01:54 so that is not interesting 21:02:28 prxq: no 21:02:28 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.204.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:02:29 well, IMO. 21:02:50 francogrex: no what? 21:02:50 overall yes, but random is random 21:02:54 they're both editing it, so they have to make sure the same data still gets them the same results 21:02:54 your code, different implementations, different platforms, different time on the clock 21:02:58 etc 21:03:42 and when you randmly generate p-values there will be slight differences because of randomness... so what Bike said is what is needed 21:04:06 but the slight differences are expected 21:04:25 I know, but not in the testing phase we don't want that 21:04:44 pessoa [~pessoa@188-195-211-39-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 21:04:49 afterwards when all is set, we will not care anymore 21:06:52 -!- zxq9 [~zxq9@FL1-111-169-176-119.okn.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:09:50 -!- francogrex [~user@109.134.237.217] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:10:25 Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 21:14:11 -!- ski [~ski@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:15:31 normanrichards [~normanric@72-48-145-180.static.grandenetworks.net] has joined #lisp 21:16:11 ski [~ski@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 21:16:41 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.89.86] has joined #lisp 21:18:04 qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has joined #lisp 21:18:41 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-091-089-005-153.hsi2.kabelbw.de] has joined #lisp 21:20:16 i don't think that that is a terribly good approach. Two MC codes could be bug free and produce different things given the same sequence of pseudorandom numbers. 21:22:20 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:22:36 qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has joined #lisp 21:23:30 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:24:22 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:24:31 qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has joined #lisp 21:28:11 ASau [~user@46.115.59.176] has joined #lisp 21:30:34 -!- vlion [~vlion@66-87-112-2.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 21:32:39 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:32:52 qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has joined #lisp 21:36:27 -!- _d3f [~freedo@46.183.216.234] has quit [Quit: ~ The Gnu went back to savannah ~] 21:37:12 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.14.79] has joined #lisp 21:37:14 -!- balle [~basti@pulsar.inf.ethz.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:37:28 francogrex [~user@109.134.237.217] has joined #lisp 21:37:31 vlion [~vlion@66-87-112-2.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 21:37:48 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75ecb9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:37:57 balle [~basti@pulsar.inf.ethz.ch] has joined #lisp 21:40:13 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@72-48-145-180.static.grandenetworks.net] has quit [] 21:42:58 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-172-202.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:45:46 tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has joined #lisp 21:46:14 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:46:27 qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has joined #lisp 21:47:59 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 21:50:51 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:50:53 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:30 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:53:31 francogrex: there are at least two prng implementations that are fast on sbcl and sufficient for monte-carlo simulations 21:55:36 https://github.com/jasom/kiss-rng/blob/master/kiss-rng.lisp here is one I wrote. There is a faster one around that someone here mentioned a week ago 21:56:42 downside is that all it does is generate random (unsigned-byte 4) or (unsigned-byte 8); you will need to do normalization, etc. on the random output 22:00:29 cmatei_ [~cmatei@95.76.19.237] has joined #lisp 22:00:36 -!- cmatei_ [~cmatei@95.76.19.237] has quit [Client Quit] 22:01:50 lufu [~user@5.254.134.100] has joined #lisp 22:02:58 Corvidium [~cosman246@202.183.249.50] has joined #lisp 22:05:19 jasom, is there any reason you don't spell things out? xcng, indx, ... 22:05:23 gozoner [~ebg@ip68-6-88-163.sb.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:06:46 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:09:27 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@202.183.249.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:10:05 jasom: ok thanks worth trying 22:10:18 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:28 -!- francogrex [~user@109.134.237.217] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:11:36 qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has joined #lisp 22:12:28 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:14:05 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14:16 qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has joined #lisp 22:14:22 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14:36 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14:37 qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has joined #lisp 22:17:21 puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 22:18:47 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 22:19:10 two- [~1@c-67-171-131-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:20:25 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:21:11 SrPx [~SrPx@177.98.108.173] has joined #lisp 22:22:36 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m90-141-22-155.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 22:27:19 francisl [~anonymous@bas6-montreal45-1176494827.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 22:29:13 Corvidium [~cosman246@202.183.249.50] has joined #lisp 22:30:56 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.145.129.103] has joined #lisp 22:32:04 seangrove [~user@c-71-202-126-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:34:35 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34:45 qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has joined #lisp 22:36:47 francogrex [~user@109.134.237.217] has joined #lisp 22:38:53 -!- SrPx [~SrPx@177.98.108.173] has quit [Quit: SrPx] 22:40:21 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:44:08 -!- agumonkey [~agu@243.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:50:12 Bacteria [~Bacteria@dyn-130-194-155-36.its.monash.edu.au] has joined #lisp 22:50:49 bjorkintosh [~bjork@ip68-13-229-200.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:54:53 -!- pessoa [~pessoa@188-195-211-39-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Started wasting time elsewhere] 22:56:29 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-109-65-173-228.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:56:33 cmm- [~cmm@bzq-79-179-217-102.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 22:58:04 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:58:42 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-236-176.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:01:14 killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has joined #lisp 23:03:12 -!- milanj [~milanj_@82.117.199.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:10:21 ISF [~ivan@189.61.220.247] has joined #lisp 23:12:57 -!- vlion [~vlion@66-87-112-2.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - 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