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[~t@cust-seco21th2-46-193-64-247.wb.wifirst.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:22:42 General Question: What is the best way to implement a slime-like repl in common lisp itself? 02:23:19 you'd probably need to do some terminal programming to get e.g. completions 02:24:14 you have access to swank on the cl side already, at least 02:26:17 Bike: Unfortunately, the slime side seems very complex. Also, I could never get grey streams to work instead of sockets. 02:26:52 Bike: I really expected just to google a library for this type of thing, but no luck there. 02:28:09 WarWeasle: slime is an emacs mode. it's not easy to just extricate it from an existence in emacs. 02:29:23 Bike: Yup, learning occured. 02:29:28 :) 02:30:19 -!- duko [~duko@static-72-87-239-154.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:31:09 Bike: So you would just send a string from the "text entry" and just catch exception (I can't remember the Lisp name for them)? I suppose I can use gray streams to capture the inputs and outputs. 02:33:03 -!- kmels [~kmels@frbg-5d84e74b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:33:33 they're called "conditions" 02:34:11 and i don't know. depends on what kind of system you want. the slime model is built around having a running lisp, which exposes an interface (swank) to some other program that talks to it (emacs w/slime). 02:36:27 maybe you want it all in one system. then your repl would be an elaboration of (loop (print (eval (read)))) 02:36:37 slime's model has some advantages depending on the application, like how i can use it to edit an enduser application (my window manager) on the fly just by having it start swank. 02:36:46 Bike: This will be similar. Unless there is some great guru who knows a better way. 02:37:15 Bike: If I could, I would make Emacs in common lisp and then run my app in that. 02:37:32 That may not have made sense. 02:37:52 that has the problem of requiring people who want to talk to your program to install an emacs - not exactly small 02:37:54 I mean I would love to have emacs functionality available with a library. 02:37:56 what kind of program is this? 02:38:14 "emacs functionality"? it's a program. i'm not sure what having it as a library would mean. 02:38:50 Bike: Promise not to laugh? A 3D Graphics Engine. I want a REPL "in" the app itself for various reasons. 02:39:34 kmels [~kmels@frbg-5d84e74b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 02:40:03 peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 02:40:11 WarWeasle: i don't know much about graphics/games, but something like a console in FPSs? 02:40:29 Bike: Exactly! Or a live-coding app. 02:40:33 -!- PCChris [Chris@dhcp-199-74-100-143.res-hall.northwestern.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:41:35 WarWeasle: well, then you have your repl and your lisp as the same process, which means you don't need to mess about with sockets or anything 02:42:25 Bike: Right, but I need to roll my own console functionality. 02:42:29 WarWeasle: and i asked because now we know that, say, you're not going to need terminal programming, you'll be writing something with console-like functionality for your game, which entails text in the graphics, etc 02:42:49 WarWeasle: the point being that this is dependent on your graphics system, so i'm not sure how that would be a library 02:43:10 Bike: It would be limited. 02:44:41 It looks like I'm just going to hack on it until a design appears. 02:45:57 WarWeasle: i'd suggest starting by having text entry with deletion/navigation, and displayed history and output. like a basic terminal. 02:47:17 tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 02:48:59 What are those magic variables i need to set to get decent keyword parameter indentation? 02:49:36 e.g. (make-instance 'foo :x 1 02:49:36 :y 2) 02:49:51 Bike: Well I'm glad I'm not reinventing the wheel. 02:50:16 rather than: (make-instance 'foo :x 1 02:50:17 :y 2) 02:50:30 -!- milanj [~milanj_@37.19.108.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:51:28 -!- tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:51:30 drdo: Are you using Emacs? 02:51:38 Yes, what else? 02:52:02 drdo: Always verify assumptions. :) 02:52:21 I had that at some point, but i don't remember what the variable names were 02:52:34 So if you are using slime it should do that automaticly. 02:52:36 and variable-apropos isn't being helpful 02:52:42 I am, but it does not 02:52:58 Using quicklisp's slime 02:53:10 Are you using Ctrl+j to make newlines? 02:53:35 That is off the point 02:53:37 pretty sure slime does drdo's "rather than" by default. 02:54:13 segv-_ [~mb@dslb-094-223-005-025.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 02:54:25 slime-fancy ? 02:54:42 I do not have that, let me try 02:54:43 drdo: grepping around suggests "lisp-align-keywords-in-calls" 02:55:13 02:55:36 The only other one I have is slime-complete-symbol*-fancy 02:55:53 Bike: I suppose that comes in some contrib package 02:55:55 CampinSa` [~user@24-176-103-21.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 02:56:01 since i did apropos for "keyword" and that doesn't show up 02:56:02 -!- CampinSam [~user@24-176-103-21.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:56:06 slime-indentation, I think 02:56:50 -!- CampinSa` is now known as CampinSam 02:58:15 -!- segv- [~mb@dslb-094-223-175-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:58:15 -!- segv-_ is now known as segv- 02:58:21 <_tca> wow, the 7th candle lit 02:59:29 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:59:57 -!- kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:01:26 orthecreedence [~kvirc@c-67-180-62-214.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:02:45 hey everyone. is there a way for an asdf package to know what directory it's installed in? for instance, i want to distribute data files in a package that an app can load, and then open those data files after the package has been loaded (and lisp's current directory is the app's running directory) 03:02:57 MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-173-67-109-10.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:03:11 orthecreedence: http://xach.livejournal.com/294639.html 03:03:17 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:03:42 ohhh beautiful 03:03:54 thanks Bike! 03:05:13 Wow, I just just looking for that yesterday. 03:06:45 did you find it? 03:09:12 orthecreedence: No, I just used Bike's link. 03:09:26 oh, well glad i asked then :) 03:10:40 orthecreedence: Me too!@ 03:17:09 -!- setmeaway2 [setmeaway3@183.106.96.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:17:49 I just googled "xach compile-pathname", which wasn't even accurate, but worked. 03:19:58 Bike: Now clinch's example doesn't require the user to change the path manually. 03:23:02 -!- liweinan [~liweinan@123.117.223.18] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:24:35 WarWeasle: oh didnt realize you were the one working on Clinch, I saw the reddit post a day or two ago 03:25:00 i'm working (little by litte) on a platformer engine for cl : https://github.com/orthecreedence/ghostie 03:25:11 thats what i needed the pathname thing for :) 03:28:12 are you reimplementing horde in CL or are you using CFFI for the parts horde does? 03:30:06 orthecreedence: I don't want to say I'm reimplementing horde. 03:30:25 I got some good ideas from them, the simple interface and some of the structure. 03:30:53 stardiviner [~stardivin@218.74.180.3] has joined #lisp 03:30:59 oh cool. i havent used it, but from what i hear its an excellent project 03:31:03 But the ability to use lisp to create and change your entities, textures and pipelines is a game changer. IMHO. 03:31:16 -!- CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@ed-uluka.dyn.ucr.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:31:37 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 03:31:49 yeah i read your writeup about it and it inspired me to start looking at how to do a custom pipeline in ghostie 03:32:14 right now its a bit of a toy, but the past few days i had a flood of ideas for it so im putting some other projects on hold to see where the wave takes me 03:32:32 how far along are you with Clinch? 03:32:34 orthecreedence: Cool. Are you doing the ludum dare? 03:32:39 orthecreedence: .1 03:32:57 Although I don't have much more functionality to add. 03:33:05 I'm a stickler for stablity. 03:33:11 thats a good plce to be :) 03:33:16 i havent heard of ludum dare 03:33:19 I DO want a REPL and a text editor built in. 03:33:27 just like playing/making games 03:33:43 yeah the idea of live coding a game is pretty awesome 03:34:06 http://www.ludumdare.com/compo/about-ludum-dare/ 03:34:16 It just started 90 minutes ago. 03:34:32 i remember doing some of this sutff in c/c++, and having to recompile for every little action was such an annoyance, but now i can just do (add-object :box) or whatever and it works wonderfully 03:35:04 oh nice, are you participating? 03:35:26 No. I am a family man and I'd rather spend this weekend with them. 03:35:29 :) 03:36:35 haha good call 03:36:49 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@108-225-26-178.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:40:10 Is your project pubic? 03:40:20 s/pubic/public/i; 03:41:18 brody [~user@cpe-24-30-157-211.dc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:42:20 both! 03:42:46 its unlicensed (MIT in a few hours probably) and horribly undocumented 03:43:12 BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has joined #lisp 03:43:15 im working on a reorganization now, along with making some very basic improvments, then i want to go through and cleanup/document everything 03:43:28 That's fine. I like to skim other projects for ideas. I'm really trying to focus on users with my engine. 03:44:04 yeah feel free to look through the code 03:44:23 Do you have a link? 03:44:42 https://github.com/orthecreedence/ghostie 03:45:27 its kind of in a state of limbo right now, will probably not load (i just ripped the engine and some test levels apart as part of the reorg and havent added a test project in yet) 03:46:34 I doubt I'll have time to play with it until next year. 03:47:16 that should give me some time :) 03:47:23 orthecreedence: Do you have any screen shots? 03:47:38 tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 03:47:40 Bacteria: one sec 03:47:48 -!- sw2wolf [~czsq888@171.216.99.198] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 03:51:34 http://imgur.com/osyRm,nE3Fv#0 03:51:45 http://imgur.com/osyRm,nE3Fv#1 -- playing with boxes 03:52:04 right now the main character is just a pill 03:52:05 -!- tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:52:16 orthecreedence: Very nice 03:52:43 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:52:57 thanks 03:53:10 that level is a bit limbo-inspired 03:53:15 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 03:53:45 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 03:53:53 the level editing is easy since most of it is done as svg files (so illustrator or inkscape) but im planning to make a full level editor sometime down the road 03:54:32 Hahaha, I like that kind of style 03:54:44 -!- bitonic [~user@5e09a749.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:54:45 I'll have to watch your repo. 03:54:48 I may need to pick your brain about FBO's 03:55:36 feel free! i might be a bit rusty since most of that code was built a few months ago, but i think i still remember most of it 03:57:02 Mostly it's interface. Things like "should I have a separate FBO class?", "Should I just include it in the Texture class and if so should it be on or off by default?" 03:57:27 Not tonight though, I'm about to bounce 03:58:18 -!- kmels [~kmels@frbg-5d84e74b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:59:39 ah got it. that may still be over my head, havent really touched textures yet (i'm doing all vector-based stuff ATM). 03:59:48 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:00:36 ATM? 04:00:50 at the moment 04:01:29 Oh, I don't know ATM. 04:01:32 What is it? 04:01:40 At The Moment :) 04:02:05 dinner time, night guys 04:02:13 Oh.... I'm so dense. Talk to you later. 04:02:27 -!- orthecreedence [~kvirc@c-67-180-62-214.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 04:02:46 I'm out too. 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I've been reading a lot of lisp code but it's just not sticking all that well, and I think it's because I'm not actively using the concepts I'm reading about. 07:23:03 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 07:24:18 writing a lot of lisp code. 07:24:32 cornihilio: IIRC, "On Lisp" presents some good examples. 07:24:35 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 07:24:39 yeah, just pick some arbitrary project to practice with. 07:24:51 it takes some creativity 07:25:03 but they can be very practical at times 07:25:07 or look at Lisp itself and look at the macros that exist. 07:25:12 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.241.220.160] has left #lisp 07:25:39 think about why they're there, and try to write them as functions so you can hopefully see why a macro is what makes sense. 07:26:01 maybe then you'll get a sense of when using a macro is appropriate. 07:26:52 it's easy to abuse them at first 07:27:24 you learn. 07:27:30 or you give up on lisp before you do 07:27:35 :( 07:27:37 yeah, one or the other 07:27:57 the less macros you use, the better 07:28:05 agree 07:28:22 that's an interesting opinion... I've never heard a lisp person say that. 07:28:38 indeed 07:29:02 I mean I know they can be abused, but they seem like the most awesome part of lisp 07:29:05 that's strange, because i hear a lot of very experienced lispers try to make that point. 07:29:06 macros break referential transparency in general 07:29:27 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 07:29:27 -!- ubii [~ubii@unaffiliated/ubii] has quit [*.net *.split] 07:29:29 macros are hairy, they cause problems, and you can get just about everything done with a reasonable interface without ever touching them. 07:29:30 add another component to the language others must learn in order to use your code 07:29:40 except for idiomatic macros, like with-..., they can be complicated and hard to understand 07:29:55 but for those moments when you want macros, it's wonderful to have them :) 07:30:02 and then poorly written macros can be hard to use together, or totally incompatible 07:30:09 I don't really like the idea of writing ensure-class manually. 07:30:39 sykopomp: well, you didn't write that macro! 07:31:16 no, but I use defclass all the time, and I'm glad I can use it. 07:31:21 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.99.110] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:32:03 i use setf a lot :p 07:32:37 indeed. 07:32:39 that wasn't about using macros from cl, but writing your own 07:32:39 -!- ASau`` is now known as ASau 07:32:47 well I guess I'll go take a few swings at something. thank you for the suggestions! 07:33:50 that's the other category of macro. There's macros that you do for syntactic convenience (like defclass) and macros you do because you have no other real recourse (usually because they deal with special forms or built-in macros) 07:34:23 stassats: yeah. I just thought discussing the CL macros could provide some insight into what their role is. Maybe it doesn't :\ 07:34:27 that includes setf? 07:34:30 I still remember the first lisp macro I wrote 07:35:21 ubii [~ubii@184.21.196.19] has joined #lisp 07:35:21 -!- ubii [~ubii@184.21.196.19] has quit [Changing host] 07:35:21 ubii [~ubii@unaffiliated/ubii] has joined #lisp 07:35:30 (defmacro rec-lambda (args &rest body) `(labels ((this-function ,args ,@body)) #'this-function)) 07:36:12 it should have been &body 07:36:19 wups 07:36:21 it's been a while 07:37:18 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:37:37 introducing lexical variables into the environment without giving users control over it kinda sucks. 07:37:57 astertronistic: see alexandria:named-lambda for a nicer (imo) version of this. 07:38:36 -!- karupanerura [~karupaner@www5325uf.sakura.ne.jp] has quit [Excess Flood] 07:38:50 otherwise, you have to do light gymnastics to nest them. :) 07:39:01 browndawg [~browndawg@117.241.220.160] has joined #lisp 07:39:07 lexical functions, you mean? 07:40:58 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:41:18 huangjs [~huangjs@96-26-56-167.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined #lisp 07:41:30 karupanerura [~karupaner@www5325uf.sakura.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 07:42:07 agumonkey [~agu@93.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 07:42:45 wtf I just found out with-gensyms is a custom library? this whole time I thought it was part of the spec. 07:43:00 well, you thought wrong 07:43:25 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 07:44:23 Visitor` [~user@94.153.230.50] has joined #lisp 07:44:32 I kind of really don't like that about on lisp... it's so self-referencing and without page numbers to previous definitions 07:45:18 at least there is ctrl-f 07:45:33 cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.19.237] has joined #lisp 07:47:37 CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@cpe-76-166-153-54.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 07:47:41 in something like: defmacro when-bind ((var expr) &body body) when does it means that (var expr) are in there own list? is that an example of a destructuring bind? 07:47:49 what* 07:47:59 their* 07:48:35 destructuring bind is based on it, not the other way around 07:48:40 but it basically does the same thing, yes. 07:48:54 haven't you read the basic description of defmacro before reading on lisp? 07:49:10 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 07:49:21 tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 07:50:41 stassats: I'm positive I've read it, but I certainly don't remember it. so only macros can do that to the arguments being passed to them, not functions? 07:51:35 clear 07:51:47 with macros it corresponds directly to the call syntax, it wouldn't be like that with functions. 07:51:56 cornihilio: well, macros are functions, defmacro arranges that the list form that is passed to it is destructured in that way 07:52:21 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 07:52:59 so, it makes something like (defun macro-function (form environment) (destructuring-bind (macro-name (var expr) &body body) ...)) 07:53:06 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 07:53:45 -!- tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:53:56 so just to be clear, a macro definition implies a destructuring bind? 07:53:56 sykopomp: yeah, I've since learned about having hard coded symbols in macro expansions 07:54:13 cornihilio: something equivalent to a destructuring bind, at least. 07:54:35 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.43.101] has joined #lisp 07:55:03 "A destructuring lambda list can contain all of the lambda list keywords listed for macro lambda lists except for &environment, and supports destructuring in the same way." 07:55:16 if I write a bunch of macros with the same name but different bindings, cl basically does pattern matching to find the right/first function that matches? 07:55:24 no 07:55:24 no. 07:55:47 one name can be bound to only one macro 07:55:52 -!- Visitor` [~user@94.153.230.50] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:56:54 cslee [~user@94.153.230.50] has joined #lisp 07:57:41 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-96-240-138-223.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 07:57:42 Hi 07:57:50 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-115.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:57:58 hello 07:58:00 well thank you guys for helping to clear that up. 07:58:07 Guys 07:58:40 Is it possible to make a standalone excutable file with CL ? 07:58:59 cslee: yes. i use buildapp with sbcl. 07:59:11 I will make a demonstration in front of people/ 07:59:11 cslee: clozure cl has save-application (iirc) 07:59:17 minion: creating executables? 07:59:18 creating executables: Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``executables''. 07:59:21 http://www.cliki.net/Creating%20Executables 07:59:21 minion: creating executeables? 07:59:22 you speak nonsense 07:59:35 bloody machine 07:59:40 cslee: note that executables usually are pretty large. don't be disappointed by that. 08:00:36 It contains all the CL enviroment? 08:00:41 correct 08:00:52 i think i broke minions ability to recognize multiple-word queries to cliki 08:01:23 by just changing that it first looks for aliases to definitions first 08:01:32 and the code is so horrible, i don't want to go back 08:01:44 cslee: 'course, it's implementation-dependent. lispworks lets you dump lots of the environment if you want to 08:01:48 thank you guys 08:03:49 And one more personal Q. 08:04:15 Are you using CL for practical purpose? 08:04:32 I mean real work project for making money. 08:04:35 sure. 08:04:42 i do 08:04:52 ah really? 08:04:58 where are u from.? 08:05:13 from the internet 08:05:37 I am in korea. Here, it seems that there is not much work related to LISP 08:05:57 it's Lisp, by the way 08:06:10 cslee: that is true of the whole world. there are only so many lisp jobs. 08:07:25 recently, it has become more popular to hire people who are lispers and make them program in lesser languages, but the number of jobs where you can actually program in lisp is very small. 08:09:37 I see 08:11:13 asvil [~user@ns.osvtl.spb.ru] has joined #lisp 08:12:33 -!- CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@cpe-76-166-153-54.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:13:59 anyway i like Lisp :) 08:15:27 -!- myx [~myx@pppoe-211-2-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Quit: ] 08:18:53 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.171] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:19:23 xan_ [~xan@fanzine.igalia.com] has joined #lisp 08:19:33 -!- Bike [~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: not not not not not not not] 08:22:46 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-210-0-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 08:23:03 -!- gravicappa 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12:39:50 H4ns: sounds like a business idea. 12:39:59 make a portal where you'd only lisp jobs. 12:40:04 list* lisp jobs. 12:41:38 H4ns: of course, this portal would have to be written in PHP. 12:42:03 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@BC06BB71.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #lisp 12:42:03 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@BC06BB71.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Changing host] 12:42:03 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 12:42:08 xmj: http://lispjobs.org/ 12:42:31 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:42:48 yes, but they're USA-only. 12:42:53 "huh?" 12:43:43 -!- rjmt___ [~uid1@46-65-55-86.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:43:46 H4ns: I mean, try browsing "by state" -- not so many German states on that list. Or European countries. :} 12:45:31 xmj: uh, it was me. http://lispjobs.wordpress.com/ 12:48:51 awesome. 12:49:01 That job in helsinki sounds *really* good. 12:49:05 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-013-153.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:50:12 -!- lufu [~user@5.254.129.180] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:54:18 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:55:03 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@BC06BB71.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #lisp 12:55:04 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@BC06BB71.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Changing host] 12:55:04 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 13:00:12 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:00:25 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@BC06BB71.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #lisp 13:00:26 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@BC06BB71.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Changing host] 13:00:26 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 13:02:21 xmj: Where do you live? 13:03:06 chr`: Not in Finland. 13:03:45 50 min by plane. why? 13:04:47 xmj: he wants to kill you and needs to know your location so that he can program his icbm 13:04:56 isn't that obvious? 13:06:21 -!- Vivitron``` [~user@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 13:06:37 At least Finland will be spared. 13:06:47 -!- Vivitron`` [~user@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 13:06:50 Where I live, people are kind of used to the threat of another country invading them. 13:07:01 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.241.220.160] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:07:13 chr`: Yeah, the taxes there are too damn high. 13:07:57 what was the other book frequently referred to Lisp beginners, apart from ACL ? (P*CL something) ? 13:08:25 minion: Tell us about Practical Common Lisp 13:08:25 us: direct your attention towards Practical Common Lisp: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 13:08:42 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@218.74.180.3] has quit [Quit: my website: http://stardiviner.dyndns-blog.com/] 13:09:04 chr`: thanks. 13:13:32 chr`: Am I blind, or too stupid to find a link to the All-Chapters-in-one-{HTML,PDF} file? 13:14:48 xmj: there are PDF versions floating around the net if you want everything in one file. 13:15:00 xmj: preferably just get the dead-tree form, it's much nicer to read 13:15:23 xmj: and you have to retype code, which is along the lines of learning-lisp-the-hard-way :) 13:16:54 Seems as if Apress has decided to try to make money from selling a pdf of the book. 13:20:22 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@aclh115.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 13:20:46 I'm using lparallel, how do I get a list of the number of cores when creating the kernel? 13:21:05 _travis_ [~travis@c-24-127-49-108.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:24:00 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:26:35 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@BC06BB71.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #lisp 13:26:35 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@BC06BB71.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Changing host] 13:26:35 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 13:26:37 frx [~gabk@77.237.114.35] has joined #lisp 13:27:11 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 13:32:45 cfy` [~cfy@218.75.27.171] has joined #lisp 13:33:48 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:37:23 -!- karswell_ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:41:08 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-115.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:42:42 Blkt [~user@82.84.188.5] has joined #lisp 13:47:28 -!- kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:47:38 karswell_ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 13:50:35 cornihilio: read /proc/cpuinfo 13:51:23 or .. dmesg |grep core 13:54:08 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.43.101] has joined #lisp 13:56:08 LiamH [~none@96.231.227.13] has joined #lisp 13:57:32 tsuru` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-198-107.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 13:57:41 -!- tsuru` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-198-107.bna.bellsouth.net] has left #lisp 13:58:21 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.43.101] has left #lisp 13:59:48 francogrex [~user@109.134.242.238] has joined #lisp 14:01:10 I want to run my PC as a webserver where users could use my own lisp (within emacs maybe) interactively from my websiteb (on my server). Is there already a prepackaged lib for that? 14:01:21 or an instruction manual? 14:03:06 -!- chunseoklee [~user@94.153.230.50] has left #lisp 14:03:20 gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 14:03:35 liweinan [~liweinan@123.117.223.18] has joined #lisp 14:04:14 agumonkey [~agu@30.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 14:05:11 to me that sounds like a Bad Idea. if not correctly sandbox'ed it sounds like an invitation to just finish your server. 14:05:12 francogrex: there's not, and it's usually advised not to, since lisp implementations give you full access to the account in which they run. 14:05:31 -!- karswell_ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:05:43 francogrex: If you want to run virtual machines on a server, then it's not a lisp question. Go read about Xen, Kvm, and so on. 14:05:54 hmh, you *could* do it in a freebsd Jail. 14:06:09 jails are broken routinely. 14:06:13 it still sounds like a Bad Bad Bad idea. 14:06:41 pjb: given enough resources i suppose you can break any virtualisation environment. 14:06:59 xmj: not those supported by bug free hardware. 14:07:09 That is, doing anything more than just providing a remote shell is useless. 14:07:14 francogrex: ^ 14:07:58 francogrex: there are also telnet/ssh clients written in javascript, to let people connect to remote shells from the web. 14:08:10 people still use telnet? 14:08:34 why not? 14:09:12 silenius [~silenius@brln-4db9feb8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 14:10:33 ubii_ [~ubii@184.21.196.19] has joined #lisp 14:11:31 i don't know; safety concerns? 14:13:21 Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has joined #lisp 14:13:39 yes ssh remote connection is good, they can run lisp though shell 14:13:44 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: a winter's day in a deep and dark december...] 14:14:06 -!- ubii [~ubii@unaffiliated/ubii] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:14:10 all I can do now is is cgi and it's poor 14:14:48 tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.148.195.89] has joined #lisp 14:15:47 karswell_ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 14:16:10 stlifey [~stlifey@183.60.99.131] has joined #lisp 14:16:22 pjb: what do you mean freebsd jails are broken routinely? 14:17:23 -!- _travis_ [~travis@c-24-127-49-108.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:18:26 bjorkintosh [~bjork@ip68-13-229-200.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 14:18:51 well, just like with Alcatraz. People aren't supposed to break out of the jail, but still do. 14:26:17 the reason I am asking is I want people to run the ELIZA interactive program on my webpage so they will be impressed with lisp 14:27:46 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756b79.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:30:18 huangjs [~huangjs@96-26-56-167.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined #lisp 14:31:49 I'm pretty positive freebsd jails are incredibly secure. the last jails exploit I can find is dated 2007. 14:32:41 now chroot jails on the other hand are a joke 14:33:06 add^_ [~add^_@m83-185-149-80.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 14:34:37 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 14:38:31 -!- impulse [~impulse@65.95.105.140] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:39:18 sure, but as with anything else BSD jails rise and fall with the admin. 14:39:45 -!- urandom__ [~user@ip-37-24-112-244.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:41:23 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@96-26-56-167.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:41:48 pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 14:41:51 cornihilio: calling chroot "jail" is a sign that the person talking knows nothing about security on linux 14:43:21 p_l: it's a kind of jail, kind of like how fortran is a kind of high level language 14:44:12 hydandata [~user@ip-89-102-13-27.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 14:44:12 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m83-185-149-80.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:44:25 cornihilio: no, it's not. It does exactly what's said on the tin, which is running the target command in new filesystem namespace which is mapped to specified point in tree 14:45:09 add^_ [~add^_@m83-185-149-80.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 14:46:01 dude it's terminology, I'm not defending it. http://linux.about.com/cs/linux101/g/chrootlparjailr.htm 14:46:12 -!- kmels [~kmels@frbg-5d84ed93.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:46:33 impulse [~impulse@65.95.105.140] has joined #lisp 14:47:07 kmels [~kmels@frbg-5d84ed93.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 14:47:21 nforgerit [~nforgerit@HSI-KBW-149-172-198-162.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 14:48:23 hiro3 [~hiro@p210079202073.cnh.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:48:23 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m83-185-149-80.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:49:41 add^_ [~add^_@m83-185-149-80.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 14:49:48 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: trivial-irc-0.0.4] 14:50:27 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m83-185-149-80.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:10 add^_ [~add^_@m83-185-149-80.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 14:53:12 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m83-185-149-80.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:53:22 -!- cfy` is now known as cfy 14:53:23 -!- cfy [~cfy@218.75.27.171] has quit [Changing host] 14:53:23 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 14:54:29 kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:54:51 -!- brendyn [brendyn@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:65b4] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:55:02 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:55:04 _travis_ [~travis@c-24-127-49-108.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:55:13 -!- _8david` [~user@port-92-195-127-233.dynamic.qsc.de] has left #lisp 14:55:15 -!- liweinan [~liweinan@123.117.223.18] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:57:37 xmj: sometimes no safety is required. Try: telnet://towel.blinkenlights.nl or telnet://telehack.com or telnet://towel.blinkenlights.nl:666 14:58:01 uh, blinkenlights:23 is the starwars thing? 14:58:14 Yep :-) 14:59:20 Not bad. Bofh excuses. 15:00:01 I can finally deinstall /usr/local/share/games/fortune/bofh. 15:00:14 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 15:00:14 pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 15:00:15 Jubb [~ghost@pool-96-241-84-33.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:01:34 or to bemore on topic, try: telnet://voyager.informatimago.com:8101 15:02:07 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 15:02:07 pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 15:03:54 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-234-097.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 15:04:55 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:04:59 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:05:04 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@BC06BB71.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #lisp 15:05:04 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@BC06BB71.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Changing host] 15:05:04 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 15:05:19 bananagram [~bananagra@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:05:28 -!- kmels [~kmels@frbg-5d84ed93.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:06:44 interesting. 15:07:03 I ended up with SBCL and CMUCL as recommandations. 15:07:13 pjb: thanks. 15:07:17 heh 15:07:36 cmu i fine but only 32bit 15:07:36 Thra11_ [~thrall@248.64.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 15:07:40 is* 15:08:09 Really? I should add this criteria then. 15:08:15 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:08:15 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@apn-89-223-161-67.vodafone.hu] has joined #lisp 15:08:18 *xmj* shrugs 15:08:29 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 15:08:30 pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 15:08:42 I chose SBCL on licensing grounds and availability on FreeBSD, so that telnet response isn't exactly surprising. 15:09:07 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 15:09:07 pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 15:09:49 -!- agumonkey [~agu@30.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10:04 nvm 15:10:05 agumonkey [~agu@243.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 15:10:12 Well, you already made your choice. It's for newbies, or when you have new criterias. 15:10:28 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 15:10:28 pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 15:10:32 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 15:12:11 pjb: I'm a newbie. 15:12:16 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 15:12:16 pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 15:15:17 kmels [~kmels@frbg-5d84ed93.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 15:15:52 The LISP15 transcription is now available thru git: git clone http://git.informatimago.com/public/lisp15 (No change from 0.0.2, I just put it in git). 15:15:52 15:17:05 xmj: if you were able to choose your implementation yourself, you're already an advanced newbie :-) 15:17:27 pjb: uh, simple. 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is there a way under slime to print into the inferior lisp buffer instead of the slime buffer? The former is a lot faster and supports auto-truncation 17:56:04 naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has joined #lisp 17:58:56 prxq: there's a variable, redirect-global-something-or-another, unset that and reconnect 17:59:05 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:02:35 -!- cornihilio [~cornihili@softbank126127243122.bbtec.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:03:06 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-108-192-103-204.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:03:34 Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 18:03:57 segv-: ok that was a good lead, thanks. Actually, you have to print to sb-sys:*stdout* 18:08:42 -!- WarWeasle [~brad@c-98-223-226-42.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has left #lisp 18:09:50 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 18:09:50 pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:11:29 prxq: you could also reduce the value of *print-length*. 18:11:56 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756b79.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 18:13:58 daimrod: in this case it doesn't help 18:14:01 prxq: a lot of the slowness is (or was once upon a time) due to the presentation machinery 18:14:05 -!- Yuuhi` [benni@p548398E8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:14:15 it might be worth trying to just not load that one cotrib 18:15:05 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:15:11 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:15:42 -!- LiamH [~none@96.231.227.13] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:17:20 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-72-66-104-130.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:17:33 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:19:11 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756b79.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:20:38 segv-: i rarely need to print out as much stuff as now. It's for debugging 18:21:43 -!- ebobby [~fms@108.60.46.62] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:23:04 prxq: does (setf swank::*record-repl-results* nil) help? 18:27:58 zophy [~sy@24.111.9.10] has joined #lisp 18:29:50 Crockeo [ae3edbb5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.62.219.181] has joined #lisp 18:32:14 francogrex [~user@109.134.242.238] has joined #lisp 18:33:14 -!- ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:37:07 -!- Crockeo [ae3edbb5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.62.219.181] has left #lisp 18:37:12 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 18:39:12 -!- Daisy [~Daisy@c-3d42e555.143-16-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:39:42 Daisy [~Daisy@c-3d42e555.143-16-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 18:42:27 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.241.220.120] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:45:16 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.234.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:45:19 -!- pdponze [~pierre@37.0.45.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:46:56 _d3f [~freedo@46.183.216.234] has joined #lisp 18:47:01 LiamH [~none@96.231.227.13] has joined #lisp 18:51:06 yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:51:09 -!- yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:51:09 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 18:51:13 -!- frx [~gabk@77.237.114.35] has quit [Quit: frx] 18:52:38 -!- LiamH [~none@96.231.227.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:53:58 -!- tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:04:05 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-156-91.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:05:03 Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has joined #lisp 19:06:10 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 19:11:51 WarWeasle [~brad@c-98-223-226-42.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:12:38 -!- kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:14:52 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 19:15:02 Corvidium [~cosman246@198.134.93.254] has joined #lisp 19:16:49 kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:17:29 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 19:18:32 -!- zophy [~sy@24.111.9.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:24:20 tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:26:20 MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-173-67-109-10.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:29:30 -!- kmels [~kmels@frbg-5d84ed93.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:32:24 -!- segv- [~mb@dslb-094-223-005-025.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: segv-] 19:32:36 -!- tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:34:44 -!- qizwiz [~user@ip98-169-114-110.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:36:30 -!- kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:36:33 -!- WarWeasle [~brad@c-98-223-226-42.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has left #lisp 19:36:36 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.108] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:39:18 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:40:36 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:41:08 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 19:42:06 -!- segmond [~segmond@99.102.150.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:42:56 Louis11 [~Adium@107-200-165-105.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:43:32 kmels [~kmels@frbg-5d84ed93.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 19:48:04 segmond [~segmond@99.103.190.172] has joined #lisp 19:48:49 Even if this question might be evil: Are there libraries for setting up a GTK(~2) GUI with Lisp? 19:52:15 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-96-240-138-223.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:52:24 kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:52:40 xmj, there are severak gtk/gtk+/gtk3 lisp bindings, if thats what you mean. Have a look on cliki.net 19:54:30 pjb` [~t@cust-seco21th2-46-193-64-247.wb.wifirst.net] has joined #lisp 19:54:36 Thra11 [~thrall@46.208.152.134] has joined #lisp 19:56:12 -!- francogrex [~user@109.134.242.238] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:56:14 -!- pjb [~t@cust-seco21th2-46-193-64-247.wb.wifirst.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:57:04 segmond_ [~segmond@adsl-99-150-132-160.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:57:44 -!- Thra11_ [~thrall@248.64.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:58:10 paul0 [~paul0@177.16.148.226] has joined #lisp 19:58:11 -!- paul0 [~paul0@177.16.148.226] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:59:02 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:59:19 paul0 [~paul0@177.16.148.226] has joined #lisp 20:00:42 Thra11: thanks 20:00:55 -!- segmond [~segmond@99.103.190.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:01:10 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-96-240-138-223.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 20:01:49 francisl [~flavoie@bas6-montreal45-2925066756.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 20:02:10 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-210-0-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [] 20:04:09 -!- francisl [~flavoie@bas6-montreal45-2925066756.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 20:06:07 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:07:37 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.116.99] has joined #lisp 20:09:48 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 20:11:32 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@198.134.93.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:13:31 -!- kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:13:37 seangrove [~user@c-71-202-126-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:16:42 LiamH [~none@96.231.227.13] has joined #lisp 20:18:26 normanrichards [~normanric@72-48-145-180.static.grandenetworks.net] has joined #lisp 20:22:39 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 20:27:32 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:29:17 tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:29:36 francisl [~flavoie@bas6-montreal45-2925066756.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 20:33:28 -!- tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:35:18 SexKitten [~Oddity@d75-156-92-175.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 20:35:25 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:36:21 relipse [~relipse@50.50.147.134] has joined #lisp 20:36:57 -!- SexKitten [~Oddity@d75-156-92-175.bchsia.telus.net] has left #lisp 20:37:06 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 20:37:14 -!- pjb` is now known as pjb 20:43:18 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-96-240-138-223.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:44:01 *drewc* wonders why that last question would be considered evil by the person who asked it? 20:46:04 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@business-178-48-2-49.business.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 20:46:04 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@business-178-48-2-49.business.broadband.hu] has quit [Changing host] 20:46:04 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 20:46:26 -!- francisl [~flavoie@bas6-montreal45-2925066756.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: francisl] 20:47:35 segmond__ [~segmond@adsl-99-150-131-147.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:49:06 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 20:50:53 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-108-192-103-204.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:50:57 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 20:50:57 pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 20:51:01 -!- segmond_ [~segmond@adsl-99-150-132-160.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:01:30 drewc: Because... either I see trolls everywhere or it can be a hidden offensive like "You can't even make a GUI with CL" :D 21:01:33 -!- paul0 [~paul0@177.16.148.226] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:04:19 and .. that false statement can be based on the question, so the question is evil? Or Trolls are evil? Who's that tippy tapping across my bridge? 21:06:57 ahh .. I think I see why! 21:08:20 "morally wrong or bad; immoral; wicked: evil deeds; an evil life." ... wrong or bad? GUI's based on desktops and windows.. like gtk, win32 or osx! 21:08:43 all subjective indeed :) 21:09:18 "harmful; injurious: evil laws." an object system in C ... hrmmm .... well that could be harmful indeed .... 21:09:20 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:09:35 _travis_ [~travis@c-24-127-49-108.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:11:30 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-108-192-103-204.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:11:58 "characterized or accompanied by misfortune or suffering; unfortunate; disastrous: to be fallen on evil days." ... well .. the bug in GTK that does not allow me the use my emacs --daemon properly has led to me use the lucid gui version of emacs rather than the GTK version ... because i was accompanied by misfortune before using gtk ... ok, I think I am on to something! 21:13:15 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 21:13:15 pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 21:13:32 "due to actual or imputed bad conduct or character: an evil reputation." ... ahhh ... the chatter was worried that we would know _they_ are evil .... not GTK and not lisp at all! 21:13:50 -!- EasyAt [~Easy@unaffiliated/easyat] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:13:57 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 21:13:57 pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 21:15:27 "marked by anger, irritability, irascibility, etc.: He is known for his evil disposition" ... wait .... is that me calling me evil because of my disposition? I should probably get (back :to 'common-lisp "programming") at this point before I become more evil! 21:15:41 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:17:20 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 21:17:20 pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 21:19:21 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: ``enjoy the SILENCE''] 21:21:20 killerbo1 [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has joined #lisp 21:21:20 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:21:40 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 21:28:07 -!- segmond__ [~segmond@adsl-99-150-131-147.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:28:58 segmond__ [~segmond@adsl-99-150-135-28.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:29:30 tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:30:15 -!- Louis11 [~Adium@107-200-165-105.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net] has quit 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21:46:43 naryl: you must be truly paranoid, seeing trolls everywhere. 21:46:58 you two should team up and gather intelligence. 21:47:06 Lisp Intelligence Agency. 21:48:11 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 21:51:12 -!- sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:52:46 can (slime-conection) always assumed to be emacs # object? 21:53:05 *maxm-* needs to put a flag per-connection that some initialization been done on it 21:53:11 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 21:53:11 pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 21:53:33 was wondering if using (process-put (slime-connection) 'myflag t) will always work 21:54:21 jeti` [~user@p548EAA18.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:55:30 -!- ISF [~ivan@189.61.223.97] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 21:56:25 sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has joined #lisp 21:56:48 -!- _travis_ [~travis@c-24-127-49-108.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has 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entered--Lisp error: (void-function slime-conection) ... so no, not a process at all! :D 23:26:11 francisl [~flavoie@bas6-montreal45-2925066756.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 23:27:26 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:28:04 segmond_ [~segmond@adsl-99-150-133-45.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:30:12 tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:30:40 maxm-: beyond that, "Return the connection to use for Lisp interaction. Signal an error if there's no connection." ...so 'connection' is a process according to slime.el 23:31:35 -!- francisl [~flavoie@bas6-montreal45-2925066756.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: francisl] 23:31:40 -!- segmond__ [~segmond@adsl-99-150-135-28.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:32:44 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 23:37:01 francisl [~flavoie@bas6-montreal45-2925066756.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 23:37:01 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:37:28 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:38:37 -!- tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:41:40 spiderweb [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #lisp 23:41:52 -!- _travis_ [~travis@c-24-127-49-108.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:44:06 -!- killerbo1 is now known as killerboy 23:44:18 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.60.179] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:48:32 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:50:26 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-234-097.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:58:33 brendyn [brendyn@2400:8900::f03c:91ff:fedf:65b4] has joined #lisp 23:58:40 -!- agumonkey [~agu@243.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]