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I'm switching away from CL-WHO... 02:41:17 I was pretty happy with cl-who. What's your motivation for switching? 02:41:38 fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:43:59 -!- setmeaway2 [setmeaway3@118.45.149.131] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:44:05 joooooo [stemearay@118.45.149.131] has joined #lisp 02:45:06 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:46:21 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 02:47:40 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-96-240-138-223.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 02:51:22 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Excess Flood] 02:51:54 -!- antgreen` [~user@dsl-207-112-126-76.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:52:27 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 02:53:29 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-100-101.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:57:27 sexml :) 02:57:28 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@50.1.48.145] has joined #lisp 02:57:54 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Quit: kcj] 02:58:25 kennyd [~kennyd@78-1-169-205.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 02:59:06 -!- mritz [~textual@cpe-70-112-1-179.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 03:00:50 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-091-089-000-047.hsi2.kabelbw.de] has quit [Quit: mental vacuum] 03:01:28 ZC|Mobile [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has joined #lisp 03:03:30 -!- ZC|Mobile [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has quit [Client Quit] 03:04:15 ... hu.dwim wins the prize for possibly most convoluted web app stuff I had ever seen 03:04:51 nightfly_: I've been using django for the last year ;p 03:08:26 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 03:11:15 am0c [~am0c@am0c.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #lisp 03:12:08 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 03:13:09 -!- Thra11 [~thrall@31.185.193.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:17:34 optikalmouse: I use yaclml,b and its TAL templates when I need templating 03:22:27 check out #lispweb too 03:22:30 gridaphobe [~user@cpe-66-91-253-127.san.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:22:50 jrajav [~jrajav@66-188-176-243.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 03:25:16 orthecreedence [~kvirc@c-67-180-62-214.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:27:51 PuercoPo` [~user@190.41.173.174] has joined #lisp 03:30:27 I just wish hu.dwim.* stuff was more readable. It looks like just the kind of crazy I'd like, but it's incomprehensible 03:33:04 disclaimer: I'm working on an ERP software right now, and let me tell you, it blows 03:36:00 cornihilio [~cornihili@softbank126127243122.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 03:36:48 loke_erc [~user@c-4957e555.012-14-67626717.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 03:37:14 -!- bitonic [~user@5e09a749.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:38:16 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@66-188-176-243.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: I tend to be neutral about apples] 03:39:52 hello everyone! I was just wondering, can cxml-stp be used to turn the object created by this: (closure-html:parse body (cxml-stp:make-builder)) back into html? (body is html in this case) 03:40:02 I am having a hard time understanding the documentation 03:41:11 I think so 03:41:17 might not be 1:1, though 03:41:43 it doesn't recreate the same html? 03:41:54 not exactly the same 03:42:20 what's the difference? 03:42:28 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@50.1.48.145] has quit [Quit: gigamonkey] 03:44:27 serialize 03:44:57 liweinan [~liweinan@222.130.224.217] has joined #lisp 03:47:59 -!- alpha123_gone is now known as alpha123 03:48:00 -!- LiamH [~none@96.231.227.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:48:27 the difference is that PARSE takes a lot of HTML and returns a valid XHTML structure used by cxml-stp. there is not a possible way to serialze xhtml to any version on html that could possibly be out there and parsed by closure-html 03:49:41 so if you feed it HTML5 you'll get, at best, xml-complaint HTML5 back (and probably XHTML1.0, actually) 03:51:10 -!- strobegen [~strobegen@64.120.223.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:52:16 bonch [~bonch@h115.50.155.207.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #lisp 03:52:43 hmm... I guess I'm going to have to screw around with it a bit more. Thank you! 03:53:59 browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.177.59] has joined #lisp 03:55:36 strz [~strobegen@64.120.223.138] has joined #lisp 03:55:39 -!- strz is now known as strobegen 03:55:43 -!- optikalmouse [~user@24-246-63-243.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:56:05 mritz [~textual@cpe-70-112-1-179.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:57:00 -!- gridaphobe [~user@cpe-66-91-253-127.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:02:20 gridaphobe [~user@cpe-66-91-253-127.san.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:03:37 -!- gridaphobe [~user@cpe-66-91-253-127.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 04:03:42 -!- benny [~user@i577A8666.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:03:44 -!- kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:11:03 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@50.1.48.145] has joined #lisp 04:18:30 I don't have a clue about testing frameworks... what is something simple/documented I should try? five-am looks cool but I don't know if that's the best one to start with 04:18:54 cornihilio: I think there are ofer 30 testing frameworks for CL 04:19:14 that's why I don't know which one I should use :P 04:19:24 Make your own 04:19:26 we need 31 04:19:40 well, perhaps when I know what I'm doing 04:19:50 I think making a testing framework yourself is easier than using someone elses. Which is why we have so many 04:20:18 I remember seeing the pcl chapter about, so I guess that's certainly a road to consider 04:20:40 but I would like to get better at using libraries 04:21:25 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-154-106.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: none] 04:22:23 -!- liweinan [~liweinan@222.130.224.217] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:23:37 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.177.59] has left #lisp 04:24:26 fdsh [~sa@117.6.85.194] has joined #lisp 04:24:33 fsjhqwe wqekrjwq qwq 04:25:03 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:25:52 stefil looks cool, guess I'm going with that 04:25:58 huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has joined #lisp 04:26:18 cornihilio 04:26:36 PLZ HELP ME 04:27:00 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:27:45 -!- fdsh [~sa@117.6.85.194] has left #lisp 04:27:53 liweinan [~liweinan@222.130.224.217] has joined #lisp 04:28:18 cornihilio: Check out lisp-unit, it's very simple. 04:29:29 cornihilio: Full documentation on the github wiki 04:30:43 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:31:02 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:31:04 fdsh: what do you mean? 04:31:18 ThomasH: thank you for the suggestion! 04:31:44 cornihilio: Full disclosure, I maintain it, so I'm biased. 04:32:14 gridaphobe [~user@cpe-66-91-253-127.san.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:32:21 -!- liweinan [~liweinan@222.130.224.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:35:33 cdidd [~cdidd@93-80-223-32.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 04:35:58 also... how do I break apart a url separated by '/'? I thought puri would help, but I'm finding it very difficult to figure out how to interact with the urn object I have 04:36:41 -!- gridaphobe [~user@cpe-66-91-253-127.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:37:30 ideally "blah.foo/sadf/fghj/zxcv" -> (("blah","foo"),("sadf,fhji","zxcv")) or ("blah.foo","sadf","fhji","zxcv") 04:37:45 puri:uri-parsed-path I think 04:38:07 -!- bind [~bind@5ED5B26C.cm-7-6c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:38:08 gridaphobe [~user@cpe-66-91-253-127.san.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:38:26 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:38:37 hmm... that returns a uri, but the franz docs talk about an urn 04:38:42 sw2wolf [~czsq888@171.216.155.156] has joined #lisp 04:39:13 urns are a type of uri. 04:39:31 cornihilio: what's with the ,? 04:39:45 and I don't see how your first example makes any sense at all. 04:40:31 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.171] has joined #lisp 04:41:14 in any case "blah.foo/sadf/fghj/zxcv" => (:RELATIVE "blah.foo" "sadf" "fghj" "zxcv"), or if you properly use a schema "http://blah.foo/sadf/fghj/zxcv" => (:ABSOLUTE "sadf" "fghj" "zxcv"), which should be what you want. 04:44:23 Bike: I think your example shows how to create the url from the strings, but what's the opposite? I don't understand that. 04:44:58 cornihilio: what? no, you put the string through puri:uri to get a uri object, and then call uri-parsed-path on the uri object. 04:45:35 Bike: ah! thank you! now I get it. 04:46:06 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@78-1-169-205.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:46:40 but, uh, how do I extract the domain? 04:46:56 uri-host 04:47:06 actually just check out all of the uri-* functions. 04:47:51 is there an easy way to view all the uri-* functions? I feel like slime can do that or something and I'm not using it 04:48:14 puri:uri- TAB 04:48:16 or maybe you lisp demigods keep that much stuff in your head 04:48:52 Bike: awesome! thank you! 04:48:53 hardly, it's just symbol completions 04:49:48 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@122.236.243.7] has quit [Quit: my website: http://stardiviner.dyndns-blog.com/] 04:53:17 huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has joined #lisp 04:54:42 segv- [~mb@dslb-094-223-014-062.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 04:55:47 -!- gridaphobe [~user@cpe-66-91-253-127.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56:30 -!- ThomasH [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/thomash] has left #lisp 04:56:40 gridaphobe [~user@cpe-66-91-253-127.san.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:57:26 browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.177.59] has joined #lisp 04:59:03 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:59:26 agumonkey [~agu@27.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 05:02:34 -!- HydanData [~user@ip-89-102-12-46.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:07:01 are there any libraries for dealing with usenet connections? 05:10:21 -!- Jubb [~ghost@pool-96-241-84-33.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:10:26 k0001 [~k0001@host5.190-224-54.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 05:12:15 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:12:57 is there a good example of using logging with common lisp programs? I usually use printouts to tell when I am entering/leaving a function but that seems stupid for recursion and most lisp things 05:14:33 cornihilio: cl:trace can do a lot of that for you 05:17:14 Bike: would it be okay to use cl:trace as a basic logging mechanism? 05:17:29 or is it something that should really only be used when actively debugging? 05:17:37 oh, i misunderstood what you meant 05:17:43 just use printing to a stream i would say 05:18:35 Bike: cool, I'll try that. 05:22:11 -!- gridaphobe [~user@cpe-66-91-253-127.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:23:24 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 05:27:14 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:29:43 -!- engblom` is now known as engblom 05:30:12 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.242] has joined #lisp 05:30:50 gridaphobe [~user@cpe-66-91-253-127.san.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 05:31:12 -!- gridaphobe [~user@cpe-66-91-253-127.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:31:50 wws [~billstcla@p-68-237-139-128.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 05:31:58 trebor_home [~email@dslb-178-004-030-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 05:33:10 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:33:31 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:33:33 -!- wws [wws@clozure-BC453B42.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Ping timeout] 05:34:41 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:36:26 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-54-86.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 05:37:18 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:37:27 huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has joined #lisp 05:40:46 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 05:41:08 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 05:42:03 billstclair [~billstcla@p-216-227-82-248.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 05:42:03 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@p-216-227-82-248.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Changing host] 05:42:03 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 05:42:04 leoncamel [~leoncamel@219.142.235.160] has joined #lisp 05:42:41 gridaphobe [~user@cpe-66-91-253-127.san.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 05:43:14 -!- bananagram [~bananagra@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:44:06 -!- billstclair [wws@clozure-6839656A.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Ping timeout] 05:45:48 -!- wws [~billstcla@p-68-237-139-128.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:50:57 -!- francisl [~anonymous@bas6-montreal45-1176366805.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: francisl] 05:52:47 wws [~billstcla@p-69-195-58-30.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 05:53:02 jewel [~jewel@105-236-20-105.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 05:54:29 -!- wws [wws@clozure-AE0C0E6A.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Ping timeout] 05:54:46 -!- billstclair [wws@clozure-B5BA5F0F.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 05:55:34 ozialien [~ernest@ip68-0-180-230.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 05:56:03 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:58:53 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 05:59:39 liweinan [~liweinan@222.130.224.217] has joined #lisp 06:00:22 -!- wws [~billstcla@p-69-195-58-30.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:01:08 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.242] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:01:12 -!- sw2wolf [~czsq888@171.216.155.156] has left #lisp 06:01:18 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 06:12:58 antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has joined #lisp 06:13:16 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@50.1.48.145] has quit [Quit: gigamonkey] 06:16:24 -!- vsync [~vsync@wsip-98-175-216-162.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - 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I wanted to be able to call a logging function that would add stuff to the logging string based on the stack. 06:46:01 cornihilio: in general, the compiler is free to replace function calls by inlining. also think tail recursion. 06:46:16 cornihilio: maybe you want trivial-backtrace. 06:46:19 cornihilio: there is trivial-backtrace 06:46:23 cornihilio: maybe you want log4cl 06:47:03 I'm using log4cl right now... it supports that? 06:47:49 cornihilio: erm, i thought it was supposed to support everything one could wish from a logging library :) 06:48:18 cornihilio: anyway, i don't know if you've seen what a stack trace looks like in most implementations, but it's usually got a lot of junk in it 06:48:48 cornihilio: if what you want is log the name of the top-level function that invoked the logger, the lisp way would be to use a replacement defun macro that makes the name of the top-level function available to the logger. 06:52:01 hmm... well I think I'm going to read up on log4cl. thanks 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Is there an existing system to read Xcode project files? (There's cl-apple-plist, but pbproj files are not plist, and cl-apple-plist only has an encoder, not a parser). 09:09:39 -!- segv- [~mb@dslb-094-223-014-062.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: segv-] 09:11:53 huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has joined #lisp 09:21:37 xan_ [~xan@fanzine.igalia.com] has joined #lisp 09:28:41 -!- RocksHound [~rtc@96-38-238-134.static.gwnt.ga.charter.com] has quit [Quit: The computer fell asleep] 09:32:02 varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 09:34:12 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:37:16 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:38:07 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 09:39:21 pjb-v: I don't think so... but if you really want to I'm sure you could write a parser for that format: http://www.monobjc.net/index.php?page=xcode-project-file-format 09:40:30 huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has joined #lisp 09:43:41 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@108.87.17.196] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:43:44 c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-anakptbeiwzpvfiz] has joined #lisp 09:44:46 Thanks for that reference. 09:50:00 same error as http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13174207/cannot-use-small-keyboard-to-input-digit any suggestion ? 09:52:15 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:53:37 -!- sw2wolf [~czsq888@171.216.155.156] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 09:54:48 -!- Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:55:34 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:57:56 sweet_kid: they are different keys; use XLookupString to get the "typed input" 09:58:19 sweet_kid: sorry, that was fow sw2wolf who's gone 09:58:23 sw2wolf likes asking questions and leaving 09:59:25 how hard can it be to check the information in events and seeing what is different? 10:00:11 from that stackoverflow article, looks like the key returns KP_1 as expected but KP_1 isn't bound to "1" 10:00:39 mal_: it is, by using XLookupString 10:01:14 yeah but is stumpwm using XLookupString? 10:01:16 the added bonus of using XLookupString is that composed characters can also be processed correctly 10:01:44 bitonic [~user@5e09a749.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 10:01:59 does anybody know if there's an equivalent of XLookupString in CLX? 10:04:44 hlavaty [~user@91-65-217-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 10:05:26 apparently keycode->character is the function 10:06:07 Yonkie [~Yonkie@cookness-diamond.volia.net] has joined #lisp 10:06:31 ebw [~user@f051166225.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 10:07:06 and the proper one to use probably is keysym->character 10:07:57 Is there an easy way (some library for example) to use c-style embedding of tabs and spaces in string-literals? Like "Usage: blah\n\t-o Do it yourself!" 10:08:13 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 10:08:33 there is, but it's better not to use it if you can avoid it 10:08:33 ebw: i've heard cl-interpol can help you 10:11:30 -!- leoncamel [~leoncamel@219.142.235.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:12:02 stassats: I'm building a tool to generate Makefiles _in my special case_ and want to include some rules, which never change. And I want to easily see tab-characters in source. 10:12:47 ebw: use #\tab 10:12:58 ebw: very obvious it's a tab character 10:13:45 jdz: "#\tabcommand1" doesn't work. 10:14:06 jdz: And I don't want to write a format for every single command. 10:14:44 ebw: then you cannot use common lisp 10:14:59 ebw: common lisp has no literal syntax for tab characters in strings. 10:16:05 ebw: Write your own string reader with whatever literals you need :) 10:16:06 ebw: but you can write yourself a trivial macro to hide the tabs from your source 10:16:27 ebw: or even a function 10:16:47 And I'm pretty sure cl-interpol has somethings. 10:17:05 s/things/thing/ 10:18:09 leoncamel [~leoncamel@219.142.235.160] has joined #lisp 10:19:41 hmm, keysym->character on #xffb1 (KP_1) returns nil 10:20:17 stassats: paste.lisp.org broken? 10:20:33 minion: are you broken too? 10:20:34 no 10:21:12 ebw: http://pastebin.com/tb1k9zmA 10:21:40 looks like i forgot to exit copy mode in screen 10:21:47 -!- liweinan 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as a workaround 12:21:59 too bad there isn't meta-meta-classes 12:23:32 -!- arquebus [~arquebus@174-125-124-180.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:25:24 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:25:55 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:25:58 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 12:26:55 liweinan [~liweinan@222.130.224.217] has joined #lisp 12:27:19 arquebus [~arquebus@174-125-124-180.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #lisp 12:28:04 puchacz: you could simply list all symbols, and look whether there's a class with that metaclass registered. 12:28:17 won't work for anonymous classes, of course. 12:28:35 or classes with names not interned anywhere 12:28:40 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 12:28:50 not that these cases are entirely common 12:29:06 well, iterating over all symbols is a bad idea as it is 12:29:29 because every time you do it, a kitten dies 12:29:52 it does? the same one, every time? reads like terry pratchett. 12:30:08 every time. 12:30:27 I may take a chance. it is for maintenance part of my app anyway 12:31:29 and kittens are overrated 12:31:40 I have one! 12:32:00 i have a cat that is 23 years old. 12:32:06 does not qualify as kitten 12:32:31 ok, mine is 12. won't hurt him either. I am just writing a loop over symbols in my package :) 12:32:31 count it as 23 kittens 12:33:37 peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has joined #lisp 12:35:26 -!- arquebus [~arquebus@174-125-124-180.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:35:31 kilon [~user@unaffiliated/thekilon] has joined #lisp 12:36:43 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-185-24.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 12:37:24 -!- kilon [~user@unaffiliated/thekilon] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:37:27 stassats: So ~4% of H4ns's cat will die each time puchacz runs his loop? 12:37:35 *may 12:37:46 kilon [~user@unaffiliated/thekilon] has joined #lisp 12:38:42 -!- Demosthenex [~Demosthen@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:39:08 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:41:03 Demosthenex [~Demosthen@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 12:41:22 -!- Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:44:53 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:44:55 Natch [~Natch@c-a9cfe155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 12:45:18 sounds like Schrödinger's cat .... when is it really dead, and doesn't have "just a flesh wound"? 12:47:58 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.90.1] 12:50:16 billstclair [~billstcla@67.158.164.79] has joined #lisp 12:50:16 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@67.158.164.79] has quit [Changing host] 12:50:16 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 12:53:06 browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.178.67] has joined #lisp 12:58:15 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:59:10 -!- EasyAt [~Easy@81.17.31.43] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:59:25 fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has joined #lisp 13:00:48 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn1212-173.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:01:06 So H4ns has a cat uptime of 23 years. Who says more? 13:01:14 HydanData [~user@ip-89-102-12-46.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 13:02:02 ikki [~ikki@187.193.143.141] has joined #lisp 13:02:04 i says "less off-topic" 13:02:30 bummer 13:03:45 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:04:18 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:04:43 fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has joined #lisp 13:04:45 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:05:49 lol 13:06:08 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.138] has joined #lisp 13:07:12 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.178.67] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:08:08 browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.178.67] has joined #lisp 13:08:19 Cymew [~user@fw01.snowmen.se] has joined #lisp 13:09:02 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 13:09:08 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:09:24 francisl [~anonymous@bas6-montreal45-1176366805.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 13:09:54 fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has joined #lisp 13:10:22 pjb-v: don't you have some lisp image that has been running non-interrupted since the nineties? :) 13:10:27 bitonic [~user@dyn1208-98.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 13:11:46 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:12:02 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:12:17 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@fsf/member/arbscht] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:12:18 dim: This system has a linux uptime of: 14:12:17 up 798 days, 9:08, 5 users, load average: 0.02, 0.02, 0.00 13:12:19 13:12:41 I could find an old sbcl process on it, let me see. 13:12:44 arbscht [~arbscht@fsf/member/arbscht] has joined #lisp 13:13:03 hehe, and suddenly attaching to the REPL makes it crash 13:13:09 -!- francisl [~anonymous@bas6-montreal45-1176366805.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 13:14:34 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:14:54 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:15:12 fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has joined #lisp 13:16:25 Joreji [~thomas@65-099.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 13:16:28 Well, it doesn't have sa actived, so I can't find the age of the process (AFAIK) from unix. And the log files of when they were started are probably purged since a long time :-( 13:17:39 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:18:25 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:19:55 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:19:56 La0fer [~Laofers1@66.85.140.163] has joined #lisp 13:20:26 fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has joined #lisp 13:20:43 you can find out how long after system boot the process started from /proc//stats 13:21:42 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:22:22 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:23:02 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:24:29 -!- La0fer [~Laofers1@66.85.140.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:25:30 fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has joined #lisp 13:27:26 Thra11 [~thrall@31.185.193.91] has joined #lisp 13:27:53 even on that old a kernel? 13:29:34 pjb-v: "ps auxwww" might show a process date. else /proc//stat has a unix timestamp. 13:30:06 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:30:47 fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has joined #lisp 13:32:58 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:33:45 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:35:16 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:36:05 fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has joined #lisp 13:38:15 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:38:15 -!- urandom__ [~user@ip-88-152-213-185.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:38:57 myx [~myx@pppoe-196-222-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 13:39:35 why is puri:parse-uri breaking on this string 13:39:36 http://s0.wp.com/_static/??-eJxlzkEOwiAQheELiZO2NunGeJYCI1AHhjhDqrcXN9109y++lzzYq0nFUfMosAloTO5l+XPE1YlcoCvHRbEoWOJgKrWQikDvgJ6bmicT8Q578gH1NMrtmFSWrmlNbxD9Ep6sRsz9TLxBILYr/cEj34dpnodpXMZl+wFhc0KO 13:40:41 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@93-80-223-32.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:40:58 cornihilio: because it contains two question marks 13:41:00 two question marks, perhaps? 13:41:01 fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has joined #lisp 13:41:37 but it's a real url that goes somewhere? 13:41:38 -!- Ralt [~Ralt@eup38-1-82-247-184-72.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:49 if it's a valid url isn't puri in the wrong? 13:42:18 just because some web server generates it does not automatically make it "valid" 13:42:22 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:42:34 although i would not claim to be sure whether it is valid or invalid. 13:42:45 yeah I'm clueless too 13:43:02 I guess I'll read about exceptions? 13:43:38 cornihilio: why do you want to parse that uri? 13:43:48 because my spider hit it 13:43:51 cornihilio: quicklisp version owrks for me. It drops the second question mark. 13:43:55 *works 13:44:16 cornihilio: but why does your spider need to parse it with puri:parse-uri? 13:44:18 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:44:28 H4ns: is there an alternative? 13:44:42 cornihilio: to what? why do you parse it? what do you need to parse it for? 13:44:43 naryl: you mean puri? 13:45:03 yes 13:45:07 H4ns: to merge relative urls 13:45:42 stassats: that is a fair reason. 13:45:48 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:46:57 naryl: does not work for me: (puri:parse-uri "http://test.com/??foo") => error 13:47:01 naryl: um... what are you calling exactly, and what version of puri do you have? 13:47:43 -_- 13:48:06 naryl: that is supposed to mean....? 13:48:07 Sorry, it's firefox. It opened the url with two "??" but then copied it into clipboard with only one "?" 13:48:11 -!- kilon [~user@unaffiliated/thekilon] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:48:19 puri errors on "??" 13:48:42 cornihilio: as a workaround, do what firefox does and replace multiple question marks by one 13:49:46 H4ns: But the request was with "??". The server replies with empy page if you replace it with "?" 13:49:55 awesome 13:50:03 -!- kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:50:34 or you can write a simpler merge, first check for http/htps/ftp/gopher, if it's not present, take the base url, strip from parameters and prepend it 13:50:44 H4ns: (cl-ppcre:regex-replace-all "??" "http://s0.wp.com/_static/??-eJxlzkEOwiAQheELiZO2NunGeJYCI1AHhjhDqrcXN9109y++lzzYq0nFUfMosAloTO5l+XPE1YlcoCvHRbEoWOJgKrWQikDvgJ6bmicT8Q578gH1NMrtmFSWrmlNbxD9Ep6sRsz9TLxBILYr/cEj34dpnodpXMZl+wFhc0KO" "?") 13:50:53 cornihilio: no. 13:50:55 I'm terrible with regex 13:51:01 cornihilio: you'll have to learn regexpen for that. 13:51:08 dang it 13:51:10 cornihilio: it is sad, but you're running into a wall. 13:51:37 kpal [~kpal@janus-nat-128-240-225-120.ncl.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 13:51:40 cornihilio: "\\?\\?" as the first and "?" as the second will work. you should learn regexes though, it's a handy tool! 13:52:08 cornihilio: if you really want it, you'll have to implement your own string-based url merging. and use the :preserve-uri flag in drakma to request your pages, if you use drakma 13:52:43 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 13:52:48 kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:54:21 -!- dabr [~dabr@62-2-164-173.static.cablecom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:54:24 welcome to the web, web the rules don't apply and the standards don't matter 13:54:30 s/web/where/ 13:54:50 benny [~user@i577A155E.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 13:54:54 segv- [~mb@dslb-094-223-014-062.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 13:55:25 madnificent: thank you! learning regexes is on the todo list :) 13:56:02 i guess the only positive thing i took from using PERL are regexes 13:56:30 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:56:43 *phrixos* recommends the Friedl book on regexps 13:57:16 *stassats* recommends man perlre 13:57:19 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:59:14 stassats: yeah, i was thinking the same thing 13:59:44 lol what do I do with this one: http://s0.wp.com/_static/??/wp-includes/js/jquery/jquery.js,/wp-content/blog-plugins/loggedout-follow/widget.js?m=1354137473j 13:59:59 cornihilio: don't try to use puri 14:00:03 when the two ?? are turned to one, the uri still causes puri to break 14:00:12 cornihilio: it is not suitable for real-world internet urls 14:00:23 what should I be using? 14:00:29 "what will we do with a drunken url" 14:00:32 cornihilio: string manipulation 14:00:38 asvil [~user@ns.osvtl.spb.ru] has joined #lisp 14:01:15 I think I'm going to blacklist wp.com and hope other places on the internet aren't as bad 14:01:47 of course, you'll have a lot of fun determining what a url relative to the one that you have just pasted is supposed to look like. 14:01:56 i would have some trouble deciding that. 14:03:42 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 14:05:04 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:05:11 I guess "??" should be parsed as simple literal characters. 14:05:30 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:06:01 kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 14:06:18 how do I extract the top domain of puri:uri-host? (as in asdf.com, not zxcv.asdf.com) 14:06:30 am0c [~am0c@am0c.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #lisp 14:06:30 cornihilio: you don't 14:06:37 ? 14:06:40 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:06:40 cornihilio: well, you do, using string manipulation. 14:06:59 cornihilio: but what is "top domain" really. ever heard of cambridge.ac.uk? 14:07:31 I have to admit... I never understood how tld with periods in them got included into the standard 14:07:47 so now everything has a special whitelist for valid . tlds, right? 14:07:49 cornihilio: there are not "tld with periods in them" 14:08:11 cornihilio: the dns defines the validity of a domain name. 14:08:30 cornihilio: no. TLD is the stuff between last two dots (the final dot is implied) 14:09:10 so co.uk isn't a tld? 14:09:19 cornihilio: .uk is TLD 14:09:45 so who owns co? 14:09:47 'co' is a domain inside uk. domain 14:10:00 cornihilio: probably whoever owns the .uk domain :> 14:10:09 my guess is JANET 14:10:10 Nominet administer all .uk stuff I think 14:10:30 Elench: oh? 14:10:51 Could be wrong 14:11:00 -!- antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:11:10 dunno. 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Any way to run PHP on a CL? Or partially translate things? 16:29:08 *easye* doesn't expect a positive answer but mebbe the Inter-webs knows better. 16:29:09 Take a function in PHP. Rewrite in CL. Repeat until done. 16:29:18 Happiness ensues. 16:29:45 the first question is "why would anyone want to do that?" 16:29:49 dlowe: But that requires me to learn PHP. 16:30:10 stassats: A library that has reversed engineered a protocol that I want to experiment with. 16:30:30 gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 16:30:34 Guess learning things can't hurt. It just takes time... 16:32:28 I guess there are PHP interpreters on the JVM, so I could maybe host it on that, and use ABCL to somehow wrap things in CLOS. 16:32:48 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:33:18 I'm sure the CL community would sing your praises if you were to make a library that ended up on quicklisp. 16:33:37 fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has joined #lisp 16:34:13 Hmmm. All the PHP JVM implementations seem to be closed (like IBM's P8). 16:34:50 that's easy, just write a C compiler in Lisp, compile php with it 16:35:08 Actually http://quercus.caucho.com/ seems to be open and active. 16:35:12 Joreji [~thomas@76-154.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 16:35:26 bobbysmith007 [~russ@firewall-dcd1.acceleration.net] has joined #lisp 16:36:09 A majority of PHP wraps the standard UNIX libc with thin wrappers, and a *lot* of conditionals from what I remember from 2005, so there is more than getting a C compiler booted. 16:36:21 smazga [~acrid@li336-165.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 16:36:57 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:38:01 Ralt [~Ralt@eup38-1-82-247-184-72.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 16:38:26 hack facebook's PHP compiler to otutput lisp rather than C++? 16:38:41 fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has joined #lisp 16:38:46 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-eccogvjzwtzilvia] has joined #lisp 16:38:46 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-eccogvjzwtzilvia] has quit [Changing host] 16:38:46 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 16:39:20 dim: I'll put it on my TODO... 16:39:49 bitonic [~user@dyn1194-218.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 16:43:24 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:43:56 fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has joined #lisp 16:45:14 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@firewall-dcd1.acceleration.net] has left #lisp 16:45:51 -!- am0c [~am0c@am0c.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:47:27 dnolen [user@nat/hackerschool.com/x-dfyhmodnnuajejva] has joined #lisp 16:48:15 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 16:48:34 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:48:34 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.115.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:49:00 mtfOO [~d@4.Red-176-83-102.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 16:49:14 fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has joined #lisp 16:51:29 moai [~m@fp-192-52-27-211.mobile.uni-freiburg.de] has joined #lisp 16:53:36 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:53:40 OK. Found some Python. Much more willing to work with that than PHP. 16:54:00 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:54:28 fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has joined #lisp 16:55:03 bobbysmith007 [~russ@firewall-dcd1.acceleration.net] has joined #lisp 16:56:53 victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has joined #lisp 16:59:12 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:59:14 -!- Ralt [~Ralt@eup38-1-82-247-184-72.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:59:44 fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has joined #lisp 16:59:46 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 17:01:10 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn1194-218.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:02:24 easye: there's CLPython http://common-lisp.net/project/clpython/ 17:03:01 -!- PuercoPop [~user@190.222.252.106] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04:02 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 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I need Lispy jobs. 19:06:21 -!- Mike3620 [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/mike3620] has left #lisp 19:06:48 . o O (Except LinkedIn is intended to be used for people you know or knew professionally.) 19:08:42 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:09:35 fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has joined #lisp 19:10:26 barryfm [~barryfm@fl-71-52-221-236.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 19:10:59 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn1194-218.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:11:14 if you need lispy jobs, get involved in the lisp community, someone will find you 19:13:56 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:14:33 get money + get paid 19:14:53 fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has joined #lisp 19:15:55 -!- dnolen [user@nat/hackerschool.com/x-dfyhmodnnuajejva] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:16:20 pjb [~t@92.103.75.130] has joined #lisp 19:18:20 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:19:24 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:20:07 fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has joined #lisp 19:23:50 -!- dtm` [~dtm@adsl-69-110-11-53.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:24:53 -!- ASau [~user@46.115.105.148] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:24:54 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:25:08 ASau` [~user@46.115.105.148] has joined #lisp 19:25:23 -!- biscarch [~chris@108-83-17-79.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:25:24 fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has joined #lisp 19:27:35 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 19:30:05 -!- blbe [~chatzilla@089144206067.atnat0015.highway.a1.net] has left #lisp 19:30:12 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:30:40 fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has joined #lisp 19:32:43 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:33:45 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:35:36 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:35:36 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:35:57 fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has joined #lisp 19:38:24 -!- mtfOO [~d@4.Red-176-83-102.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has left #lisp 19:39:08 Hi is there a function which add an element to a list only if this element is not already in the list ? 19:39:24 pushnew 19:39:26 pushnew, kinda 19:39:30 thanks! 19:39:34 pushnew also modifies places 19:40:04 the function is adjoin. 19:40:24 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:40:31 but one probably wants pushnew most of the time 19:41:12 fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has joined #lisp 19:41:54 -!- ebw [~user@f051166225.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:45:48 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:45:59 -!- dabd [~dabd@a95-93-205-168.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:46:13 fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has joined #lisp 19:46:37 alpha123 [~turkchess@184-96-192-56.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:50:10 -!- victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has quit [Quit: Leaving IRC - dircproxy 1.2.0] 19:50:45 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:50:54 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:51:02 -!- Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:51:12 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:51:29 fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has joined #lisp 19:52:54 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 19:53:06 -!- xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-48-12.w90-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:53:27 -!- RocksHound [~rtc@96-38-238-134.static.gwnt.ga.charter.com] has quit [Quit: The computer fell asleep] 19:56:06 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:56:43 fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has joined #lisp 19:58:51 (documentation 'adjoin 'function) is very handy can I also have the signature of the function? 19:59:43 dim: (describe 'adjoin) if you need the docs to read them. 20:00:18 Arglist: (CCL::ITEM LIST &KEY :TEST :TEST-NOT :KEY) 20:00:25 not really what I wanted to see 20:00:36 er... try it in sbcl :] 20:00:44 jrajav [~jrajav@167.68.114.6] has joined #lisp 20:00:51 oh. again sbcl... 20:00:59 I know, useless advice. Sorry. 20:01:01 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:01:12 not that useless :) 20:01:23 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 20:01:30 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@ced74.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 20:02:00 fmeyer [~fmeyer@177.141.158.47] has joined #lisp 20:02:16 dim: http://sprunge.us/fAPO? 20:03:08 nice 20:03:08 dim: Wait, what do you mean by signature? 20:03:16 Isn't it... lambda-list? :) 20:03:25 Which CCL gives you. :) 20:03:33 I misread the Arglist I posted apparently, in fact it's ok 20:03:44 I wanted to see the arg names, not just their type 20:03:52 the fact that the arg is named LIST got me 20:04:14 item's type is T 20:04:17 Arglist: (STRING &KEY :START :END :RADIX :JUNK-ALLOWED) 20:04:22 that's cool 20:05:05 so it would be easy enough to make ones own function to display the function's prototype dynamically I guess, and I think I remember than pjb already has that 20:06:12 francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has joined 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