00:00:17 *drewc* sometimes loves writing papers ... just as an excuse to read other papers! 00:00:54 http://pagesperso-systeme.lip6.fr/Christian.Queinnec/Papers/webcont.ps.gz <--- mmm, exactly what I needed to demo my monad. 00:02:09 yates: (use-package #:his-package), is that what you mean? 00:02:15 yes. 00:02:35 doh. 00:02:41 yates: the REPL is "inside a package" in that *package* is set, and use-package will alter that package's use-list. This is fine if it's meant to be altered, like cl-user and such 00:03:11 you mean the REPL defaults to the cl-user package? 00:03:33 Generally. 00:03:38 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:03:44 sbcl/slime. 00:03:45 If you're using SLIME, that's why CL-USER> is your prompt. 00:03:53 righto - just going to saythat 00:04:02 ok, thanks. 00:04:10 You can change which package you're in with (in-package whatever). 00:05:20 if i have a local package i've defined, say, my-package.lisp, how do i get it into ql? 00:06:08 do you mean a system? 00:06:23 ql has nothing to do with packages per se 00:06:42 yates: you need to make an asdf system first, then put it in put it in ~/quicklisp/local-projects 00:06:45 kmels [~kmels@95.115.47.130] has joined #lisp 00:06:58 also, this needs to go in a faq, I think it's the 3rd time someone's asked this today 00:07:08 what do i do so that i can (ql:quickload 'my-package)? 00:07:13 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@24.12.190.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:07:29 that's a system you're thinking of, not a package. 00:07:52 ql:quickload loads a system? 00:08:01 jasom: agreed. the 'learn how to use the modern common lisp by reading these' is on my list of things to write. 00:08:08 yates: http://xach.livejournal.com/278047.html 00:08:09 yes. packages are more like namespaces for symbols, that's all. 00:09:13 ok, let me read jasom's link 00:09:37 Gennadius [442b36a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.43.54.161] has joined #lisp 00:10:15 are "library" and "system" synonymous? 00:10:21 Yes. 00:10:24 Mostly. 00:11:08 -!- Gennadius [442b36a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.43.54.161] has left #lisp 00:11:12 i've never grokked the asdf thing. is there a good beginner tutorial on that? 00:12:06 yates: I know now lisp system implementing something called a library for lisp code. (Only the various FFIs have the notion of foreign library to be dynamically loaded (or sometimes statically linked with the lisp image). 00:12:09 read some .asd files and look at the docs? 00:12:17 yates: google for asdf manual. 00:12:25 ok 00:12:35 yates: use quicklisp, you'll get/understand asdf automatically. 00:12:40 it's like "load these systems and files", most simply 00:12:50 -!- zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:12:57 pjb: i am using quicklisp 00:13:12 yates: so, provisionnaly, you could say (lisp code) library = (asdf) system. 00:13:20 yates: a lot of the asdf tutorials/intros are out of date asdf2 papered over a lot of really annoying things about asdf 00:13:43 yates: if you follow xach's blog entry there you can learn enough to get quickload 'my-system working for you. 00:13:54 But for example, my library of lisp code (com.informatimago) contains several system. When you (ql:quickload :com.informatimago.common-lisp), you're loading several systems. 00:14:25 jrajav [~jrajav@66-188-176-243.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 00:14:27 Bike: good. i'll read. 00:14:34 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 00:14:42 pjb: so a system is between a library and a package. sorta? 00:14:44 So if you have several different "libraries" each with its one system, you could write a system to load them all, and therefore have several "libraries" covered by a single system. 00:15:09 yates: read above: the problem is that there's no formal notion of lisp code library. 00:15:51 There are systems, as something that's implemented by asdf (in the future xcvb, in the past the various defsystem facilities). There are packages as defined by the language. But no lisp library. 00:16:11 -!- spiderweb [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:16:28 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 00:16:30 pjb: well then a system can contain other systems. 00:16:40 yates: so you can call "library" whatever you want. It's entirely informal. You could also use the word "smurf", that wouldn't make a lot of difference. 00:16:45 yates: "system" and "package" have very specific meanings in lisp; "library" doesn't 00:16:52 yates: more precisely, a system may depend on other systems. 00:17:13 -!- ghu43f [~vijay@64.134.172.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:17:18 well zach used the term "libraries" so i was trying to grok it... 00:17:40 eli [~eli@racket/eli] has joined #lisp 00:17:43 i'll just think "system" when i see "library 00:17:44 " 00:17:56 That's good enough as a first approximation. 00:18:23 https://www.google.ca/?q=define%20libraries ;) 00:18:34 In unix, library as a "formal" definition: it's a .a or a .so file. 00:18:44 /usr/lib/libecl.so is a library. 00:18:49 yes. 00:19:18 -!- kmels [~kmels@95.115.47.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:19:24 You could take a system, and compile it with ecl, to produce a .a (or a .so perhaps?) library file. 00:19:46 static or shared library, yes. 00:19:48 -!- wicked_shell [~wicked_sh@gateway/tor-sasl/wickedshell/x-12495307] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:20:43 ecl? gcc! 00:20:59 oh, you mean a lisp compiler.. sorry. 00:21:04 sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:21:05 doh!!!!!! 00:21:58 is there a good tutorial on compiling a system to an executable? 00:22:12 -!- carlo5 [~510carlos@209.49.100.67] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:23:07 yates: that's implementation dependent. For sbcl see http://www.xach.com/lisp/buildapp/ which is actually linked from the earlier article I posted 00:23:27 http://www.sbcl.org/manual/Generating-Executables.html 00:23:31 jasom: great! thanks. 00:23:35 drewc: thank you. 00:24:20 yates: most Lisp implementations (ecl being a notable exception) you just load everything up, and then dump an image to disk; the executable is essentially just a RAM dump of your runtime 00:24:31 of course, that is only for SBCL... Common lisp does not have a way, at all, to make "executables" so to speak 00:25:38 *drewc* will now grumble about the lisp machines, and Zeta-C, and go back to work. 00:25:45 ok 00:26:01 *yates* will grumble about Cosmic-C 00:26:22 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:26:59 yates: you do embedded work? 00:30:58 -!- bananagram [~bananagra@98.198.236.112] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:33:32 Buglouse [~Buglouse@unaffiliated/Buglouse] has joined #lisp 00:35:34 -!- smazga [~acrid@li336-165.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.1] 00:38:02 except for relatively simple grammars, cl-yacc appears to be useless 00:40:49 tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 00:40:52 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-72-66-104-130.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:41:02 Qworkescence: its author wrote a pretty complete C parser with it 00:41:38 I still won't assert that it is useless until I make sure it's not my own set of issues. 00:42:28 bananagram [~bananagra@98.198.236.112] has joined #lisp 00:44:05 -!- Raptum is now known as bananasam 00:44:11 -!- bananasam is now known as Raptum 00:45:32 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-72-66-104-130.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:45:48 -!- tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:50:31 kofno [~kofno@24.165.213.150] has joined #lisp 00:50:48 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-72-66-104-130.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:54:37 cornihilio [~cornihili@softbank126127243122.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 00:55:24 -!- cornihilio [~cornihili@softbank126127243122.bbtec.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:55:53 Okay, i take that back statement. It was my fault. 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02:31:38 brandonz [~brandon@199-188-193-145.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined #lisp 02:35:14 CatMtKing [~chrono220@108.224.122.111] has joined #lisp 02:40:44 bind [~bind@D4B2749A.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #lisp 02:41:31 tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 02:42:38 -!- syamajal_ [~syamajala@dyn-128-59-158-101.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:44:55 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:45:55 -!- tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:50:31 cornihilio [~cornihili@softbank126127243122.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 02:50:42 hey can someone help me figure out why this is happening in emacs?: http://imgur.com/Eifm5 02:50:42 cornihilio, memo from pjb: Have a look at get-directory in http://git.informatimago.com/viewgit/index.php?a=viewblob&p=public/rc&h=133b5249c1875cdd033d47608f940063f9bb4645&hb=68430d387cd7947fc0d5627936a4d6d05888a846&f=common.lisp ( git clone http://git.informatimago.com/public/rc/ ) 02:51:31 slime seems to be screwing up highlighting for me 02:51:40 pjb: thanks for the link! I'm looking at that now 02:51:59 Vicfred [~Grothendi@189.143.207.177] has joined #lisp 03:04:53 ioa [~xonox@dynamic2-251-034.usc.edu] has joined #lisp 03:07:03 -!- ikki [~ikki@187.240.179.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:08:22 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 03:12:41 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:14:22 -!- brandonz [~brandon@199-188-193-145.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:14:53 fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:15:15 jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has joined #lisp 03:15:31 JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-211-58.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 03:17:45 brandonz [~brandon@199-188-193-145.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined #lisp 03:17:57 -!- antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:19:24 -!- Joreji [~thomas@93-186.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:20:54 -!- JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-211-58.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- It'll be on slashdot one day...] 03:31:08 francisl_ [~flavoie@bas6-montreal45-2925067190.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 03:31:37 -!- lieanu [~lieanu@101.5.193.232] has quit [Quit: ] 03:31:47 -!- CatMtKing [~chrono220@108.224.122.111] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:32:50 can I only play with capi if I use lispworks? 03:33:53 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:34:46 -!- francisl_ [~flavoie@bas6-montreal45-2925067190.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:35:03 francisl_ [~flavoie@bas6-montreal45-2925067190.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 03:35:43 jrajav [~jrajav@66-188-176-243.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 03:38:09 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:41:51 tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 03:44:43 -!- bananagram [~bananagra@98.198.236.112] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:46:15 -!- brandonz [~brandon@199-188-193-145.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:46:24 -!- tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:48:39 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:50:04 brandonz [~brandon@199-188-193-145.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined #lisp 03:52:32 bananagram [~bananagra@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:55:47 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:03:03 -!- benny [~user@87.122.141.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:05:48 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@50.1.48.145] has quit [Quit: gigamonkey] 04:06:34 JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-211-58.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 04:06:55 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@50.1.48.145] has joined #lisp 04:09:16 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.222] has joined #lisp 04:09:24 cornihilio: I suppose that requires a definition of "play". Or, in other words, Mu. 04:12:35 -!- brandonz [~brandon@199-188-193-145.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:14:39 brandonz [~brandon@199-188-193-145.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined #lisp 04:17:08 fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:18:25 -!- bananagram [~bananagra@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:26:32 ghu43f [~vijay@192.5.110.4] has joined #lisp 04:27:27 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 04:27:45 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 04:29:25 samrat [~samrat@49.244.33.199] has joined #lisp 04:32:36 -!- bind [~bind@D4B2749A.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:34:34 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@122.236.249.221] has quit [Quit: my website: http://stardiviner.dyndns-blog.com/] 04:36:33 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:37:59 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.171] has joined #lisp 04:39:18 -!- sw2wolf [~czsq888@61.157.43.159] has left #lisp 04:42:13 tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 04:42:53 -!- Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:46:39 -!- tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:48:26 -!- jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:51:48 sw2wolf [~czsq888@61.157.43.159] has joined #lisp 04:54:48 -!- francisl_ [~flavoie@bas6-montreal45-2925067190.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: francisl_] 04:56:36 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-72-66-104-130.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:57:31 browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.180.84] has joined #lisp 04:58:18 drewc: err... is capi lw specific? 04:58:39 -!- brandonz [~brandon@199-188-193-145.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:59:22 -!- [SLB] is now known as [SLB]` 05:01:28 brandonz [~brandon@199-188-193-145.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined #lisp 05:04:43 -!- yates [~user@71.54.138.0] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:05:05 since remove-if-not is deprecated, is there another simple way to negate the test? or do i need to wrap it into a lambda? 05:06:14 complement. but don't worry too much about the deprecation. 05:07:40 -!- brandonz [~brandon@199-188-193-145.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:12:35 yeah, i heared that before, was still wondering, because there had to be a good solution 05:13:03 (remove-if (complement test) ...) 05:14:47 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 05:14:55 right 05:16:41 -!- am0c [~am0c@am0c.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:17:08 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:18:00 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 05:18:44 *eMBee* found a better place to use complement, making the code more readable 05:27:36 segv- [~mb@dslb-088-075-155-207.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 05:31:53 -!- wyan [~wyan@fnords.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:35:17 wyan [~wyan@fnords.info] has joined #lisp 05:36:03 qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has joined #lisp 05:36:58 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@66-188-176-243.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: I tend to be neutral about apples] 05:40:18 -!- astopholos_ [~brizzadiz@216.70.91.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:42:33 tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 05:43:22 nan_ [~user@46.197.116.88] has joined #lisp 05:45:20 -!- francisl [~anonymous@bas6-montreal45-2925067190.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: francisl] 05:47:00 -!- tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:47:14 cornihilio: maybe/yes 06:02:03 -!- kofno [~kofno@24.165.213.150] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:08:10 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-uniwxtycgwgwpgzv] has joined #lisp 06:08:10 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-uniwxtycgwgwpgzv] has quit [Changing host] 06:08:10 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 06:10:52 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 06:12:30 eMBee: remove-if-not is not deprecated really 06:13:00 eMBee: if there'd ever be a new revision of ansi cl, that deprecation would be removed for sure. 06:15:55 -!- PCChris [Chris@dhcp-199-74-100-143.res-hall.northwestern.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:16:54 -!- ghu43f [~vijay@192.5.110.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:18:40 -!- Jubb [~ghost@pool-96-241-84-33.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:18:50 rdqfdx [~rdqfdx@78.90.88.244] has joined #lisp 06:20:29 see also http://cliki.net/Proposed%20Extensions%20To%20ANSI (though I don't think this page lists that particular improvement) (: 06:21:04 http://cliki.net/Proposed%20ANSI%20Revisions%20and%20Clarifications It is here. 06:21:13 oh 06:21:22 yes, that was the page I was looking for. thanks ((: 06:21:54 fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:24:55 -!- carlo5 [~510carlos@c-71-198-252-62.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:25:09 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.99.199] has joined #lisp 06:26:44 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:29:48 why were they deprecated anyway? they're much more common, and using remove-if complement doesn't really add any clarity... 06:30:14 -!- jjkola_work [~jjkola@fw-hki.ixonos.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:31:25 H4ns: well, i was actually more curious asan opportunity to learn something 06:32:33 Bike: because of :test-not 06:32:33 or so they thought. 06:32:47 ah. 06:32:58 kofno [~kofno@24.165.213.150] has joined #lisp 06:33:34 well, that, and #'complement 06:34:10 ...I never implied the reasons were good. 06:35:13 jewel [~jewel@105-236-20-105.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:35:26 bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 06:35:32 _d3f [~freedo@46.183.216.234] has joined #lisp 06:36:57 bike: in my case i had a filter function that ws used in both negative and positive ways, one use was remove-if foo and another was a loop do something when not foo. i was thinking of reversing that, but instead i used complement to make the functioncall that has the loop more readable 06:39:18 hmmm, my (handler-bind) doesn't catch SB-INT:STREAM-DECODING-ERROR 06:40:02 flip214: maybe it is not raised ? 06:40:06 -!- kofno [~kofno@24.165.213.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:40:17 http://web.archive.org/web/20080725035302/http://paste.lisp.org/display/2992 wow, there are some very weird things linked from those ANSI pages. 06:40:57 sw2wolf: I get dropped into the SLDB, so that's not the reason 06:41:44 flip214: without seeing the source, it is all guesswork 06:41:49 flip214: The condition is consumed by the debugger ... 06:42:12 <_d3f> good morning, does anybody know how to create an executeable in CLISP that runs on another PC (where no clisp is installed). I tried SAVEINITMEM and the executeable runs fine on the build-pc but my virtual-gnu/linux won't run it. 06:42:52 _d3f: i'm not sure if you can expect image portability at all. are both clisp versions precisely the same? 06:42:58 _d3f: try ldd, perhaps it needs a few shared libraries? 06:43:07 tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 06:43:21 ghu43f [~vijay@192.5.110.4] has joined #lisp 06:43:23 flip214: clisp uses a virtual machine, its images are virtual machine images 06:43:36 H4ns: executable, they said, no clisp on the other machine? or am I misunderstanding something 06:43:46 <_d3f> there is no clisp installed on the virtual maschine H4ns. 06:44:19 clisp uses a virtual machine to compile to. 06:44:33 clisp cannot directly create executables, only virtual machine images. 06:44:49 doesn't the executable option include the VM in the file? 06:44:52 no. 06:44:54 H4ns: that's not totally true (sameinitmem does have an :executable t argument) 06:44:56 different OSes have such a result 06:44:56 ...oh. 06:45:26 That's weird. You can't make an executable, then? 06:45:33 segv-: ah. ok, well, with the :executable option, one cannot expect portability between operating systems at all, surely. 06:45:43 H4ns: no, definetely not. 06:45:47 Bike: as segv- says, you optionally can. 06:45:58 oh, ok, that option is what I assumed _d3f was doing. 06:46:12 _d3f: so, are you trying to run the same executable in two different OSs? 06:46:42 <_d3f> yeah Bike 06:46:53 Why would you even expect that to work? 06:47:31 -!- tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:47:33 if the SLDB shows me a restart FORCE-END-OF-FILE, is that used like (invoke-restart :FORCE-END-OF-FILE), or do I have to find the package of the symbol? 06:47:36 _d3f: try without :executable and use the native clisp executable with the image that you've created. 06:48:12 <_d3f> Bike: why shouldn't it work? 06:48:14 ah, seems to be sb-int ... at least according to fuzzy-completion 06:48:16 flip214: you need to know the package, it is usually not a keyword. 06:48:35 <_d3f> H4ns: okay, thx. I will give it a try. 06:48:36 _d3f: what OS is on the build pc? 06:48:38 _d3f: because Windows and Linux are very different environments, with different executable file formats. 06:48:50 _d3f: the executable you create has links to operating system specific libraries and code, and cpu specific machine code. 06:48:57 Bike: windows was not mentioned, actually 06:49:09 _d3f: what do you mean when you say "does not run"? 06:49:22 ok, so i'm just misunderstanding things repeatedly, sorry. 06:49:25 _d3f: if you change either of those you fail (macos x's universal binaries, for example, actually contain two seperate copies of the program, one for cpu and one for ppc) 06:49:35 <_d3f> Bike: 2 different gnu/linux OS as eMBee asked one is Debian and the other one is parabola 06:50:16 _d3f: what do you mean when you say "does not run"? 06:50:31 _d3f: what error do you get? 06:50:44 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.99.199] has quit [Quit: (save-lisp-and-die)] 06:50:56 _d3f: clisp links to gcc, do both dists have that, and in the same place? 06:51:09 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.99.199] has joined #lisp 06:51:39 am0c [~am0c@am0c.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #lisp 06:51:43 <_d3f> H4ns, eMBee: error in the format of the programfile. 06:51:59 _d3f: do you compile on a 64 bit system maybe? 06:52:13 _d3f: can you move any other executable from your build system to the target 06:52:44 _d3f: is "error in the format of the programfile." the actual error message that you see in the shell? 06:52:47 <_d3f> H4ns: I've done it with C-executables before. they worked 06:53:24 engblom` [~user@dsl-83.148.221-205-dynip.ssp.fi] has joined #lisp 06:53:36 <_d3f> H4ns: no I translated it it says "zsh: fehler im Format der Programmdatei: ./myexecuteable" 06:54:05 <_d3f> and I am using 2 times a 64bit OS 06:54:48 _d3f: interesting. well, i'd try just the image without the executable header (clisp -M ) 06:55:02 -!- engblom [~user@unaffiliated/engblom] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:55:03 -!- engblom` is now known as engblom 06:55:04 -!- engblom [~user@dsl-83.148.221-205-dynip.ssp.fi] has quit [Changing host] 06:55:04 engblom [~user@unaffiliated/engblom] has joined #lisp 06:55:08 _d3f: can you move the normal clisp binary? 06:55:27 minion: slime cheatsheet 06:55:28 watch out, you'll make krystof angry 06:55:40 Krystof: relax 06:55:53 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@94.144.63.83] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:56:23 mathrick [~mathrick@94.144.63.83] has joined #lisp 06:58:26 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.222] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:01:34 _d3f: what does ldd say? 07:01:34 jjkola_work [~jjkola@fw-hki.ixonos.com] has joined #lisp 07:02:07 <_d3f> flip214: atm trying to find out if all libs are available on the guestOS too. 07:02:28 _d3f: that's what ldd would help with 07:05:04 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 07:05:26 H4ns: what do you mean by "aware of this"? 07:05:38 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-45-243.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 07:05:43 minion: pcl 07:05:47 know the link, or the cheats themselves? 07:05:48 pcl: I can't be expected to work when CLiki doesn't respond to me, can I? 07:05:52 stassats: like that, if it worked. 07:05:56 oh boy 07:05:58 stassats: just the link, i'd say 07:06:11 but you can do it yourself! 07:06:13 http://gigamonkeys.com/book 07:06:26 stassats: how? 07:06:27 and i need to not make minion depend on cliki when it doesn't even need it 07:06:32 minion: help adding terms 07:06:32 To add a term, say something like ``minion: add "term" as: the definition''. I will remember the definition. 07:07:05 minion: add slime-cheatsheet as http://www.pchristensen.com/slimecommands.pdf 07:07:05 OK, done. 07:07:10 minion: slime-cheatsheet 07:07:10 slime-cheatsheet: http://www.pchristensen.com/slimecommands.pdf 07:07:15 \o/ 07:07:22 minion: pcl? 07:07:27 pcl: I can't be expected to work when CLiki doesn't respond to me, can I? 07:07:31 minion: bummer! 07:07:36 bummer: I can't be expected to work when CLiki doesn't respond to me, can I? 07:07:43 but 07:07:46 minion: slime-cheatsheet 07:07:46 slime-cheatsheet: http://www.pchristensen.com/slimecommands.pdf 07:07:48 :D 07:08:02 minion: thwap? 07:08:02 thwap: THWAP! http://www.angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif and http://www.angryflower.com/itsits.gif (see also: http://www.unmutual.info/misc/sb_itsits.mp3 ) 07:08:13 strange things 07:08:23 minion: that dead sexy book 07:08:28 that dead sexy book: I can't be expected to work when CLiki doesn't respond to me, can I? 07:08:50 well, it's time to look in the code then 07:09:23 antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has joined #lisp 07:09:35 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-20-105.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:10:03 minion: pcl-book? 07:10:03 pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 07:10:26 pcl-book is the main definiiton, pcl is an alias, looks like aliases are somehow touch cliki 07:10:27 minion: slime 07:10:32 slime: I can't be expected to work when CLiki doesn't respond to me, can I? 07:10:46 and there's no definition for slime at all 07:11:29 ok, it's (or (small-definition-lookup first-pass) (cliki-first-sentence first-pass) (alias-lookup first-pass)) 07:12:14 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:13:37 -!- macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h-17-133.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 07:14:56 -!- mritz [~textual@cpe-70-112-1-179.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:16:35 -!- specbot [~specbot@tiger.common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:16:35 -!- minion [~minion@tiger.common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:16:50 specbot [~specbot@tiger.common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 07:16:51 minion [~minion@tiger.common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 07:17:02 minion: pcl? 07:17:07 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.171] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:17:07 pcl: I can't be expected to work when CLiki doesn't respond to me, can I? 07:17:13 damn 07:18:54 myx [~myx@pppoe-196-222-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 07:20:22 minion: pcl? 07:20:23 pcl: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 07:20:28 that's better 07:20:50 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.171] has joined #lisp 07:20:58 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-47-164.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:21:36 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@108.87.20.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:23:43 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 07:24:24 -!- ASau [~user@46.115.116.92] has quit [Quit: I be back.] 07:26:10 fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:26:26 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:30:50 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@50.1.48.145] has quit [Quit: gigamonkey] 07:31:13 -!- theos is now known as Guest84081 07:31:21 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 07:31:21 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 07:31:21 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 07:31:25 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 07:31:45 bniels [~niels@p4FD6E83E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 07:34:02 paolo_m [~user@2-228-95-110.ip190.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 07:34:21 -!- Guest84081 [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:34:22 <_d3f> flip214: a debian libs was outdated, thats why it refused to work. - thx for your help. - I upgraded gcc & it's libaries to -t experimental and now it works like a charm. 07:37:56 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 07:38:42 _d3f: you're welcome. 07:39:18 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.180.84] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:39:48 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 07:43:07 reading letoverlambda.com now, it is pretty good (thanks for the suggestion), feel free to spam me with more gems :) 07:43:40 tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 07:43:51 -!- Bike [~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:44:11 -!- confab [~confab@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:44:38 k0001 [~k0001@186.153.74.192] has joined #lisp 07:46:13 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c2392.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 07:46:40 my suggestion would be not to read let over lambda 07:47:21 stassats: why not? 07:47:38 I suggest the same 07:47:56 it doesn't present an idiomatic description of how programs are written in Common Lisp 07:48:02 -!- tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:48:07 I'd suggest to wait with it till you get some practice in CL 07:48:27 lufu [~user@5.254.133.43] has joined #lisp 07:48:59 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:50:53 *drewc* is still upset that two lisp books used the same acronym as a library i released before both of them! :P 07:51:01 LOL 07:51:09 (pun intended) 07:51:14 :D 07:51:21 minion: what does LOL stand for? 07:51:22 Lightwards Overbrutalize Laminar 07:52:20 ... not sure if just laminar brute, or brutal airfoil trick 07:52:30 *smooth brute ;) 07:52:33 drewc: Land of Lisp and Let Over Lambda? 07:52:41 well, really I remember why I cameup with the name ... I knew Lisp was higher class then Ruby, so wouldn't do Rails ... Lines, otoh... 07:53:18 lufu: Yes, and I released Lisp on Lines long before those books came out! 07:53:24 minion: lisp on lines 07:53:30 i always thought it was a bit of an attitude thing: "Rails?! LoL." 07:53:30 lisp on lines: I can't be expected to work when CLiki doesn't respond to me, can I? 07:53:57 lisp on maglev 07:53:59 *drewc* does not remember if he made a cliki page for it anyway 07:54:16 drewc: btw, what's the state of it? 07:54:36 jdz: nope, that was just a nice thing as well :) 07:55:08 of Lisp on Lines? dead really ... it has an issue that I no longer like to deal with and/or solve 07:55:27 what would that be in two words? 07:55:29 isn't RoR how Japanese would pronounce LoL? 07:55:40 stassats: lol 07:55:51 but, my app that I developed like 9 years ago still uses it ... so I deal with it everyday 07:56:23 two words? dynamic scope and closures/cps 07:57:29 stassats: drewc: p_l: i am both practicing and learning from the implementation of popular libraries, like cl-ppcre. but at the same time i want to catch up with the methods obvious to you but foreign to me, so i am trying different sources. 07:57:43 i see, when the shit hits the fan, umm, rather when closures/cps hits the debugger 07:57:57 Nowadays, I do not use dynamic for anything related to continuations, and I don't use arnesi's cl+call/cc interpreter. 07:58:55 the monad and the monad, and that is that. 20 lines of code to solve a whole bunch of issues/problems/sillyness 07:59:16 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:59:34 and not only the debugger, but, because 07:59:53 LoL uses contextl ... which has layers ... which are dynamic 08:00:09 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:00:19 -!- bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:00:26 the class may or may not have slots, depending on which scope (layer) it is used in 08:00:40 yeah, i've read a bit of an overview of contextl 08:01:09 which is a really awesome and clean and elegant solution, to no problem i've ever had.... 08:01:19 drewc: how are monads have any place in lisp, aren't they just an escape from "pure"? 08:01:33 nan_: Mu 08:02:08 segv-: hey hey ! :D 08:02:15 'morning 08:02:25 drewc: forgive me ignorance, no idea what that means 08:02:37 nan_: it means google time 08:02:39 it is, 00:02 here 08:03:04 you're definiiton of morning (or night for that matter), and mine are very different :) 08:03:38 *your 08:03:59 heh .. I live on a boat, have a number of 24 hour clocks, and never count 00:00 as 'mid night' :) 08:04:07 :) 08:04:24 stardiviner [~stardivin@122.236.243.94] has joined #lisp 08:04:55 is there a "high moon" equivalent to "mid night"? (probably not, maybe a "high north star"?) 08:04:58 can you move west to always stay in the same hour? 08:05:26 stassats: he'd have to be going pretty fast.... :) 08:05:35 that would be like 40kkm in 24h 08:05:40 the international dateline is the problem 08:06:10 what does 'hour' mean ... etc 08:06:20 *drewc* knows way to much about this sort of thing 08:06:26 leap-seconds .. ugh 08:06:40 well, just attach a couple of jet engines to your boat 08:06:54 drewc: "hour" ? i'd say anywhere between 30 and 100 dollars, depending :) 08:07:07 well, when you're on a very high latitude you can easily walk "in the same hour" 08:07:08 a couple may be not enough (need about 1667km/h speed) 08:07:36 flip214: but it's cold there! 08:07:40 jdz: what's kkm? shouldn't it be Mm? 08:08:06 stassats: well, it was rather 40k km :) 08:08:14 yeah, and my boat is a displacement, meaning at about 15 nm/hr is submarines 08:08:14 -!- samrat [~samrat@49.244.33.199] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:08:15 stassats: but yeah, point taken 08:08:47 and boats go in nautical miles, otherwise knows as knots 08:08:48 jdz: and nobody said that you have to fly over the equator 08:08:59 s/fly/swim/whatever/ 08:08:59 stassats: i did :) 08:09:02 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:09:20 that's the only place i know approximate distance 08:09:22 on the north pole, you can pretty much just walk 08:10:17 confab [~confab@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 08:12:32 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.171] has joined #lisp 08:12:46 on the other hand, on the north pole you may go at infinite speed, and not catch the sun (not that it matters for time zones) 08:13:11 tesuji [~tesuji@mail.pit.de] has joined #lisp 08:13:37 nor topic, for that matter 08:13:39 well, you can move to the south pole in the mean time 08:13:46 -!- spacefrogg^ is now known as spacefrogg 08:14:56 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:19:12 Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 08:19:36 samrat [~samrat@49.244.121.178] has joined #lisp 08:20:12 jdz: are you seriously asking me to google "mu"? as in math symbol? an answer "mu" without any context makes no sense whatsoever, am lost << 08:20:27 -!- antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:20:49 it makes perfect sense, if you know it 08:20:57 and the first google hit explains it 08:21:25 my first: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_(negative) 08:21:36 my second: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_(letter) 08:22:23 but i didn't need google for it, i studied math. and a "mu" with no context means nothing, you get something else in google? 08:22:25 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:23:12 gravicappa [~gravicapp@91.77.161.194] has joined #lisp 08:23:14 i did say "the first hit", didn't i? why are you still talking about the second one? 08:24:19 because google modifies searches, what is your first not necessarily mine sorry, so he meant simple "no" "nothing"? 08:24:44 nan_: mu 08:24:50 wu 08:24:54 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_%28negative%29#.22Unasking.22_the_question 08:27:00 Strigoides: oh finally, thanks. so my question was flawed. 08:27:55 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:28:02 -!- cornihilio [~cornihili@softbank126127243122.bbtec.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:28:41 nan_: and i actually was referring you to google mainly for monads, not mu :) 08:29:03 qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has joined #lisp 08:30:06 jdz: i have read about it but didn't dive in details, that is why i was asking if they add anything to lisp, if they are something i should add to my list 08:32:05 -!- drewc [~drewc@50.7.166.100] has left #lisp 08:32:16 drewc [~drewc@50.7.166.100] has joined #lisp 08:32:31 nan_: well, have you checked http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monad_(functional_programming) ? 08:32:57 nan_: the first paragraph, to be specific 08:33:27 flawed ... it wasn't really flawed, but rather "either a positive or negative answer is absurd" 08:34:02 jdz: which doesn't make any sense if you don't know it already? 08:34:46 https://github.com/drewc/smug/blob/master/smug.org#a-quick-word-on-monads 08:34:58 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:35:05 stassats: makes quite a bit more sense that what Haskell fanbois say about monads 08:36:17 the pithy description is a total non sequitur 08:36:28 jdz: i've read about it when i was reading about Haskell, i can somehow understand its impact in Haskell but other than that, got no idea << 08:36:53 browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.90.244] has joined #lisp 08:37:36 k0001_ [~k0001@186.153.75.220] has joined #lisp 08:37:38 https://github.com/drewc/smug/blob/master/smug.org#syntax--let-and-the-identity-monad 08:37:50 nan_: in lisp, which doesn't need monads per se, using them provides a way of getting dynamic (special) variables in a more structured and maleable way 08:38:10 at least, that's what i understand when drewc tried to explain it to me :) 08:39:05 hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 08:39:05 -!- hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 08:39:05 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 08:39:55 and cps, and is a monad as well, and the -TRANFORMER>s ... whoah. 08:40:16 and burritos are monads too 08:40:55 -!- k0001 [~k0001@186.153.74.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:42:01 segv-: thanks bunch 08:42:54 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-45-243.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:43:06 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:43:34 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 08:44:01 tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 08:44:02 well, since we are on that topic actually ... 08:44:52 http://drewc.org/test-html/monads.html 08:45:32 That is a work in progress, but is what i am working on right now in another emacs :) 08:47:38 kennyd [~kennyd@78-1-190-42.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 08:48:48 -!- tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:52:51 drewc: may i suggest something? 08:55:14 (if the answer is yes) why don't you turn it upside down? i mean why don't you start from a problem or an elegant form then create the environment for it? But maybe that is for another tutorial! 09:05:44 -!- cryptic [~cryptic@pool-96-246-91-191.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:06:32 cryptic [~cryptic@pool-96-246-91-191.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 09:06:53 sorry? 09:09:05 tcr [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 09:10:56 phax [~phax@c-67-161-5-247.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:10:56 -!- phax [~phax@c-67-161-5-247.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 09:10:56 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 09:11:54 peteriserins [~Peteris@84.237.177.36] has joined #lisp 09:12:15 -!- peteriserins [~Peteris@84.237.177.36] has left #lisp 09:12:41 -!- samrat [~samrat@49.244.121.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:17:47 -!- qlkzy [qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:17:58 qlkzy [qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a] has joined #lisp 09:18:47 drewc: maybe not the best thing to say at this stage, but i kind of get the most from books/tutorials that start with a problem and end up with a solution rather than the opposite. 09:19:45 c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-xtjgxozupcjouhss] has joined #lisp 09:21:03 -!- Strigoides [~Strigoide@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:21:24 -!- lizzin_ [~lizzin@c-24-14-148-164.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:22:38 -!- confab [~confab@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:23:15 lizzin [~lizzin@c-24-14-148-164.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:23:38 -!- lizzin is now known as Guest93352 09:23:41 mutu [d97653cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.118.83.203] has joined #lisp 09:24:50  ? 09:24:58 wrong language 09:25:12 a tak 09:25:44 changing the script doesn't change the language 09:26:21 only english is accepted here 09:26:54 are you a native speaker of English stassats ? 09:27:03 ok 09:27:16 RenJuan: why do you ask? 09:27:41 assumed you weren't and wondered how it made you feel to say that 09:28:09 an you help me with autolisp? 09:28:39 mutu: no, not really, this channel is about Common Lisp 09:28:42 if it's a common lisp you go ahead with your query 09:28:57 *you can 09:29:10 RenJuan: autolisp is not common lisp 09:29:21 ah 09:29:21 autolisp unfortunately is based on really ancient dialect that isn't covered here 09:29:38 Then another question 09:29:53 -!- sw2wolf [~czsq888@61.157.43.159] has left #lisp 09:30:41 thanks to all 09:31:01 that's not a question! 09:31:07 )) 09:32:21 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:32:24 confab [~confab@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 09:32:50 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:33:48 can I expression from string "(+ 2 3)" -> 5? 09:33:55 eval? 09:34:01 not work 09:34:22 mutu: read-from-string 09:34:56 and then eval 09:35:07 all these helpful people... 09:35:13 -!- confab [~confab@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:35:21 thanks 09:35:22 but usually, this combination is a sign that you are doing things wrong 09:36:19 mutu: try (eval (read "(+ 2 3)")) 09:36:51 jdz: really? 09:37:05 stassats: yes 09:37:15 jdz: that's not common lisp then 09:37:21 stassats: that's autolisp 09:37:41 well, maybe you should transition to #autolisp then 09:37:42 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:38:12 jdz: very good 09:40:32 Strigoides [~Strigoide@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #lisp 09:41:40 nan_: and? this is not a tutorial at all, save for the sections marked 'tutorial', which is a follow up to the tutorial that comes first, and is linked to at the very start of tutorial section ... So, again ... sorry? 09:45:06 tcr1 [~tcr@178.83.229.138] has joined #lisp 09:48:21 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:48:49 zodiac1111 [~zodiac111@183.128.234.201] has joined #lisp 09:49:26 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@178.83.229.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:50:10 or, in other words, first learn common lisp. Then, read this: 09:50:11 https://github.com/drewc/smug/blob/master/smug.org , then learn what monads are. Then read this: http://drewc.org/test-html/monads.html ... 09:52:58 nan_: oh .. i forgot, before reading my last thing, reading this would help : http://common-lisp.net/~frideau/lil-ilc2012/lil-ilc2012.html 09:55:06 -!- Guest93352 [~lizzin@c-24-14-148-164.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:56:05 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 09:58:32 -!- trigen_ [~MSX@2001:0:5ef5:79fd:3cb9:1f76:2bd6:7949] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:02:26 -!- k0001_ [~k0001@186.153.75.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:04:53 Lowl3v3l [~lowl3v3l@musketeer.wlan.uni-jena.de] has joined #lisp 10:05:07 shwouchk [~kosta@unaffiliated/shwouchk] has joined #lisp 10:07:17 -!- Daisy [~Daisy@95.209.50.38.bredband.tre.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:07:38 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:08:05 -!- Ralt_ [~Ralt@eup38-1-82-247-184-72.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:08:06 hkBst_ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 10:08:06 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 10:08:06 hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 10:08:39 Daisy [~Daisy@95.209.50.38.bredband.tre.se] has joined #lisp 10:09:20 -!- tcr [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:11:55 drewc, the presentation at github looks fine to me. Didn't catch that "autolisp" was the AutoCAD lang. 10:11:58 hello 10:12:18 yello 10:20:40 mvilleneuve_ [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 10:21:56 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@www31335u.sakura.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 10:22:38 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@www31335u.sakura.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 10:22:40 -!- ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:23:02 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:23:36 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:23:36 -!- |3b| [foobar@cpe-72-179-19-4.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:24:10 -!- wormphlegm [~wormphleg@c-50-131-44-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:24:25 |3b| [foobar@cpe-72-179-19-4.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 10:24:37 em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 10:24:41 wormphlegm [~wormphleg@c-50-131-44-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:24:44 -!- Vicfred [~Grothendi@189.143.207.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:25:02 Vicfred [~Grothendi@189.143.207.177] has joined #lisp 10:25:15 I have a very weird thing happening. I wrote a simulation that does some numerical computation and then displays it on the screen. At one point, I test a few options, including approximate equality between numbers, (with a global precision variable). Nowhere do I perform any operations on the imprecise numbers, and the imprecise tests are the last ones to be checked, and yet the lower I put the accuracy, the faster the simulation produces things whic 10:25:15 h are not 'approximately' accurate. Does this make sense? Why could this happen? 10:25:45 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:26:06 sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:26:25 this is a rather broad question that cannot really be answered without looking at the code in question. 10:27:18 I can show it 10:27:28 if youd care to look 10:27:41 make sure that you're only showing the relevant code. i personally won't look at a large code base. 10:27:56 ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has joined #lisp 10:28:04 kmels [~kmels@frbg-5f732f82.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 10:28:14 reduce the problem to its essence, show code that reproduces the problem (and only that) 10:28:27 often, problems can be found by doing just that. 10:28:45 use the profiler, too. 10:28:50 hmm 10:28:54 never used it 10:28:59 Ralt [~Ralt@eup38-1-82-247-184-72.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 10:29:02 drewc : hm, i don't agree with "a static functional programmer would say must have a certain type", at 10:29:28 shwouchk: slime-profile 10:31:55 H4ns, I'll check it out 10:32:01 francisl [~anonymous@bas6-montreal45-2925067190.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 10:32:01 -!- francisl [~anonymous@bas6-montreal45-2925067190.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 10:32:30 H4ns, this may sound stupid, but I thought a lot about this problem before asking 10:32:39 shwouchk: there also are statistical profilers, but i often find the deterministic profiler good to quickly determine performance problems. 10:32:43 and figured out why this is happening now 10:32:45 I think 10:33:40 shwouchk: i did not want to doubt that, but if you are asking for help in #lisp, better turn your question into a lisp-related problem. asking "speculate about a complex problem that i have" is not really a good question to get good answers for. 10:33:45 tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 10:34:39 bitonic [~user@5e09a749.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 10:36:05 egnarts-ms [~smsmfk@pat-233-10.softservecom.com] has joined #lisp 10:36:23 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:36:23 mutu_ [d97653c0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.118.83.192] has joined #lisp 10:37:07 -!- mutu [d97653cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.118.83.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:39:33 H4ns, problem is I have two numbers and I sometimes need to determine whether they are closer to one (- b a) or to 0, where (- b a) can be very small 10:40:53 shwouchk: i can only speculate, but when (- a b) sometimes ends up being a single-float and sometimes being a double-float, then the performance for the two cases would be different. 10:43:34 -!- Lowl3v3l [~lowl3v3l@musketeer.wlan.uni-jena.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:49:15 H4ns, how can I specify for it to be double? 10:49:57 make a or b be double-float 10:50:24 -!- zodiac1111 [~zodiac111@183.128.234.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:57:08 agumonkey [~agu@27.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 10:59:25 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:59:50 hkBst_ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 10:59:50 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 10:59:50 hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 11:00:44 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@80-95-90-157.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #lisp 11:00:44 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@80-95-90-157.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [Changing host] 11:00:44 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 11:02:37 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@24.118.142.0] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 11:04:59 -!- alagabes [~me@scheme.qwpx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:07:40 -!- yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:07:59 yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:08:05 -!- yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 11:08:05 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 11:10:18 shwouchk: and since the result of - (or +) is of the same type as the 'largest' argument, (- b 1d-20) will always return a double no matter what b is (unless b is a long-float) 11:10:24 -!- Codynyx_ [~cody@c-24-131-173-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:13:28 -!- leoncamel [~leoncamel@124.126.174.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:16:12 Codynyx [~cody@c-24-131-173-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:20:01 Alatien [~Alatien@58.Red-79-159-7.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 11:20:30 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-47-164.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:20:58 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:21:15 Cymew [~user@fw01d.snowmen.se] has joined #lisp 11:22:13 -!- jack_rabbit [~kyle@98.253.60.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:23:56 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@91.77.161.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:26:50 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:29:24 cornihilio [~cornihili@softbank126127243122.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 11:29:55 sorry if this has already been asked, but what's up with cliki being down? any idea when it might be up again? 11:30:42 i don't think that the people who run it are here 11:31:02 who runs it, btw? 11:31:25 vsedach, i would guess 11:32:36 i pinged him 11:33:18 is it time for regular cliki dns failure? 11:34:40 I thought Xach bought it for 10 years 11:35:01 i think the server is down, the name still resolves 11:35:05 qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has joined #lisp 11:35:47 ah 11:35:57 so we transitioned from DNS failure to server failure? 11:37:54 kilon [~user@unaffiliated/thekilon] has joined #lisp 11:41:45 new_one [~peter@50.10.183.158] has joined #lisp 11:45:04 H4ns, segv, but (+ 1 1e-8) gives 1 11:45:40 1? an integer? 11:45:46 1.0 for me 11:45:55 1.0 alright 11:46:02 but not 1.00000001 11:47:04 this seems kind of crappy precision to me (no offence). Is this really the best I can get built in? 11:47:16 shwouchk: you can use double floats 11:47:20 peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has joined #lisp 11:47:43 shwouchk: you need to read "What Every Computer Scientist Needs To Know About Floating Point" 11:48:16 Krystof, I know it is relative precision, and yet in other languages I can get much higher relative precision 11:48:22 sw2wolf [~sw2wolf@171.212.201.220] has joined #lisp 11:48:52 then why are you using 32-bit floats? 11:49:02 shwouchk: (+ 1 1.0d-8) 11:49:29 the d is what I was missing and asked about 11:49:38 it was unclear until now 11:50:21 you need to read it anyway, because if you are adding very small numbers to very big numbers you are doomed anyway 11:50:51 you have a funny way of posing questions by beginning with "this is crappy" 11:50:58 the answer to "my algorithm produces 11:51:19 the answer to "my program using single-floats produces results that I don't expect" is usually not "oh, just move to double-floats" 11:51:27 sometimes it is. But not usually 11:51:28 15 digits 11:51:29 what's the best library for turning html into sexrpessions? 11:51:41 closure-html 11:51:48 respectable, though I would still love to have more 11:51:51 err... is there one with less dependencies? 11:51:55 also, if you read the article I pointed you at, you would not be surprised by the single and double floating point formats 11:52:33 cornihilio: are you kidding? 11:52:51 why do you even care about dependencies? aren't you using quicklisp? 11:53:10 yeah... maybe it is a stupid question 11:53:13 Krystof, that produces sentance was really confusing 11:54:34 shwouchk: if you need longer floats, you may find that some lisps have them. but i agree with krystof, you should really know what you're doing and it does not really sound as if you are. 11:55:27 zolk3ri [~Zol1ka@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has joined #lisp 11:55:46 shwouchk: http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19957-01/806-3568/ncg_goldberg.html 11:56:09 minion: goldberg 11:56:09 goldberg: What Every Computer Scientist Should Know About Floating-Point Arithmetic. http://docs.sun.com/source/806-3568/ncg_goldberg.html 11:56:14 Krystof, eventually, it is all a question of the precision of your numbers. The more you have, the wider range of things you can add/subtract, and there's no arguing with that. If you had 4 bit floats maybe if c=4a then you would say it is too bit a spread 11:56:17 even minion knows about it! 11:56:23 minion: why are you so slow, though? 11:56:29 why are you so slow, though: I can't be expected to work when CLiki doesn't respond to me, can I? 11:56:32 bloody cliki 11:56:45 shwouchk: please don't try to educate me about numerical analysis 11:56:55 H4ns, I have the pdf open already 11:57:04 shwouchk: next step: read. 11:57:10 Krystof, I could say the same 11:59:14 funny 12:03:50 Krystof, in any case, thank you for the advice - I will eventually read the paper 12:04:38 H4ns, thanks also 12:04:47 and stassats 12:05:45 -!- mutu_ [d97653c0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.118.83.192] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:10:43 hey 12:11:04 -!- zolk3ri [~Zol1ka@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has left #lisp 12:11:43 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 12:12:09 hi 12:16:07 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:17:19 kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:17:30 zolk3ri [~Zol1ka@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has joined #lisp 12:20:13 -!- sw2wolf [~sw2wolf@171.212.201.220] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:21:41 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:22:47 Joreji [~thomas@93-186.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 12:22:54 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:24:56 wicked_shell [~wicked_sh@gateway/tor-sasl/wickedshell/x-12495307] has joined #lisp 12:24:57 H4ns: any idea why hunchentoot:url-encode and drakma:url-encode are different? 12:25:32 stassats: it is just history 12:25:48 stassats: it would be better if there would be only one of them, maybe in a http-library system. 12:26:09 well, not why there are two of them, but why are they encode things differently 12:26:23 stassats: i can only guess 12:26:24 hunchentoot:url-encode conforms to rfc1738, while drakma's isn't 12:27:27 err 12:27:30 hai 12:27:31 i got the rfc number wrong 12:27:49 i have looked at this recently while i worked on the tumblr uploader. i found this to be bad, but not bad enough to want to fix it. 12:27:59 hunchentoot conforms to rfc3986, while drakma to rfc1738 12:28:13 well, i didn't read either in full-length, so i may be mistaken 12:28:55 leoncamel [~leoncamel@124.126.174.133] has joined #lisp 12:29:00 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 12:29:02 H4ns: well, how do i at least disable drakma from encoding at all? 12:29:22 -!- nan_ [~user@46.197.116.88] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:29:51 stassats: encode what, the url or the parameters_ 12:29:57 parameters 12:31:00 url or body parameters? 12:31:25 -!- kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:31:42 post parameters 12:32:01 the easiest way is to supply the complete body yourself 12:32:59 you cannot suppress encoding of post parameters that are passed in the :parameters argument 12:33:10 and, quite frankly, well. look at the source. 12:33:50 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.90.244] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:34:14 kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:34:23 well, i figured as much, but consider that as complaining to "not warrant a fix" 12:34:57 stassats: with a :dont-urlencode-parameter-values-p keyword argument? 12:34:59 -!- Joreji [~thomas@93-186.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:35:01 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 12:35:15 rjmt___ [~uid1@46-65-28-90.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 12:35:26 i would love (url-encoder #'url-encode) 12:35:33 hah! 12:35:48 nice. please open a github issue, i'll take care of that. 12:36:38 Joreji [~thomas@93-186.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 12:37:00 ok, in the meantime, i guess i'll have to encode :content myself 12:37:44 hkBst_ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 12:37:44 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 12:37:44 hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 12:41:22 -!- Joreji [~thomas@93-186.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:42:12 -!- PuercoPop [~user@190.41.173.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:43:09 actually, it's differs from hunchentoot's only in minor way (by #\,), i was just looking at the wrong code 12:43:14 i guess hunchentoot could use something similar 12:43:53 if the url encoding scheme is changed in any way, it should be changed to be conformant to a particular rfc 12:44:08 i don't care so much about which one, but it should be relevant and well-defined. 12:44:22 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:44:27 well, if the default can be changed, i don't really care about the default 12:44:30 ikki [~ikki@189.247.87.124] has joined #lisp 12:46:11 but i guess the more conservative it is, the better 12:46:40 thank you for the report. i'll try to act upon it soon. 12:47:57 well, i won't care until the next quicklisp update 12:48:01 (it's not really for my code) 12:48:02 ok. 12:49:25 for now i'll just copy alist-to-url-encoded-string, change url-encode there and pass the result to :content 12:49:53 peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has joined #lisp 12:54:26 -!- cmm- [~cmm@bzq-79-181-186-247.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:55:23 -!- kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:55:29 kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:56:16 -!- sirdancealot7 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: KEEP SPARKS. FLAME AWAY.] 12:56:35 cmm [~cmm@bzq-109-64-200-5.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 12:56:45 sirdancealot [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 13:01:09 gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has joined #lisp 13:02:50 -!- jjkola_work [~jjkola@fw-hki.ixonos.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:05:00 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 13:06:34 samrat [~samrat@49.244.19.229] has joined #lisp 13:07:41 -!- iLogical is now known as Pthing 13:07:49 -!- Pthing is now known as iLogical 13:08:54 -!- kilon [~user@unaffiliated/thekilon] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:09:14 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:09:38 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:11:08 stassats, H4ns: fwiw do-urlencode is a rfc3986 conformant encoder (though the source code doesn't mention that rfc, that's the non-reserved charset it uses) 13:11:44 -!- samrat [~samrat@49.244.19.229] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9] 13:12:27 AWizzArd [~the@splendidlord.com] has joined #lisp 13:12:45 (nevermind, i hadn't scrolled back far enough) 13:12:50 do-urlencode? 13:13:38 yet another url encoding lib: https://github.com/drdo/do-urlencode 13:13:46 i suppose it's the opposite of dont-urlencode 13:14:14 :) 13:14:47 ah, nice. 13:15:21 it even has (defvar +extra-unreserved-characters+ "-_.~") 13:15:40 why the hell it has crosses, though? 13:16:12 and it's not exported 13:16:44 and it's got a completely unneccessary tagbody/go 13:16:49 as if loop did not exist 13:16:53 *whine* 13:17:32 -!- am0c [~am0c@am0c.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:17:41 and it uses handler-case to resignal errors 13:17:44 total disaster! 13:17:53 so much fail in so little code 13:17:55 :D 13:17:57 :) 13:18:58 -!- cibs [~cibs@219-87-142-18.static.tfn.net.tw] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:19:06 qNemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has joined #lisp 13:19:16 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:21:25 mega1 [~user@2E6B32C4.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #lisp 13:24:44 should quicklisp work with clisp? 13:24:56 yes 13:25:05 (never tried it myself before, seems to complain about missing asdf:operate) 13:25:11 hmm 13:28:10 http://i.imgur.com/1yjSP.png 13:28:15 ooh sorry 13:28:36 sfw ? 13:29:54 Jasko [~Jasko@174.59.201.95] has joined #lisp 13:31:42 guaqua: seems to complain or complains? 13:32:05 lizzin [~lizzin@c-24-14-148-164.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:32:29 -!- lizzin is now known as Guest7213 13:34:05 jjkola_work [~jjkola@fw-hki.ixonos.com] has joined #lisp 13:34:48 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:36:46 carlo5 [~510carlos@c-71-198-252-62.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:36:55 -!- mvilleneuve_ [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:37:21 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:38:19 browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.90.244] has joined #lisp 13:41:08 -!- carlo5 [~510carlos@c-71-198-252-62.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:41:27 stassats: complains. i just switched to sbcl. this is on a debian stable box 13:42:18 well, carry on then, that's a good strategy to drive users to sbcl! 13:42:32 :) 13:42:45 clisp's readline support is really convenient, though 13:42:46 Ynjh [~Daisy@109.58.114.127.bredband.tre.se] has joined #lisp 13:43:03 guaqua: slime's is better :) 13:43:12 (ql:quickload 'linedit) (linedit:install-repl) 13:43:20 minion: linedit? 13:43:25 linedit: I can't be expected to work when CLiki doesn't respond to me, can I? 13:43:26 cliki's not back yet 13:43:44 vlad did not get back to me 13:43:57 http://common-lisp.net/project/linedit/ 13:44:03 https://github.com/nikodemus/linedit 13:44:36 i'm on a remote box, trying out lisp on something i'd normally solve with python 13:44:44 i.e. something shell-scriptish 13:45:38 -!- Daisy [~Daisy@95.209.50.38.bredband.tre.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:48:42 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:49:12 you can connect slime to a remote box 13:49:56 it's a bit problematic to do M-. then 13:50:21 no, you can setup slime-tramp then 13:50:39 or run text-mode emacs over ssh :] 13:50:42 guaqua: M-. works in readline with clisp? 13:50:57 slime-tramp sounds nice 13:50:58 text-mode emacs? how barbaric! 13:51:08 add^_ [~add^_@m213-101-205-15.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 13:51:24 Fine. Use X11. 13:51:26 jdz: i wasn't implying clisp was somehow superior, now you are making things up, and in an obnoxious way 13:52:44 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.90.244] has left #lisp 13:52:58 guaqua: it was you implying that you're using readline+clisp because slime does not do M-. remotely 13:53:13 guaqua: i did not say anything about superiority 13:53:27 no, i didn't say that 13:53:30 you made that up 13:53:36 cmm- [~cmm@bzq-109-67-211-103.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 13:53:58 oh, bother 13:55:28 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-109-64-200-5.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:01:44 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:02:20 QuickSilver__ [~ait@akasha.ayai.com] has joined #lisp 14:02:27 -!- QuickSilver_ [~ait@cpe-72-177-30-155.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:12:11 tensorpudding [~tensorpud@108.87.20.77] has joined #lisp 14:13:37 PCChris [Chris@dhcp-199-74-100-143.res-hall.northwestern.edu] has joined #lisp 14:15:09 -!- ve [~a@vortis.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:16:07 -!- bitonic [~user@5e09a749.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:22:18 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:23:01 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:25:41 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:28:24 -!- bjorkintosh [~bjork@ip68-13-229-200.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:29:20 normanrichards [~normanric@63.98.50.138] has joined #lisp 14:29:49 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Quit: ] 14:36:01 is there some recommended library for parsing dates? i'm looking at something i can provide with a motif, a bit like strptime 14:36:33 -!- shwouchk [~kosta@unaffiliated/shwouchk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:36:45 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 14:36:57 *|3b|* thinks local-time parses dates 14:37:37 it can't be parameterized, only handles a certain format (ISO 8601) 14:38:12 simple-date-time is the same; only handles one format 14:42:11 QuickSilver_ [~ait@cpe-72-177-30-155.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:42:15 -!- myx [~myx@pppoe-196-222-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:44:35 -!- QuickSilver__ [~ait@akasha.ayai.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:45:30 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 14:46:15 -!- wicked_shell [~wicked_sh@gateway/tor-sasl/wickedshell/x-12495307] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:48:03 bitonic [~user@dyn1192-223.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 14:48:32 wicked_shell [~wicked_sh@gateway/tor-sasl/wickedshell/x-12495307] has joined #lisp 14:48:32 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@108.87.20.77] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:49:09 tensorpudding [~tensorpud@108.87.17.196] has joined #lisp 14:51:07 guaqua: http://www.chaitanyagupta.com/lisp/chronicity/ I wonder how many non-NL formats this accepts. 14:53:14 ttk [ttk@78.189.81.11] has joined #lisp 14:53:23 let's see how it works 14:54:24 -!- ttk [ttk@78.189.81.11] has quit [Client Quit] 14:54:36 => NIL :( 14:55:06 francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has joined #lisp 14:57:46 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:58:00 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn1192-223.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:58:26 bitonic [~user@dyn1192-223.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 14:58:45 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:58:46 I'd like to move the blas work to cuda. What libs are recommended? 14:59:15 mega1: cublas? 14:59:24 I meant lisp libs 15:00:16 yates [~user@nc-71-54-138-0.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 15:00:47 how can i tell if a "component" in a loaded system is a function or a macro? 15:01:20 is there some operation i can do on it in a repl to find out? 15:01:30 gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 15:01:56 pkhuong: or is cublas trivial to use without [much] lisp wrapping? 15:01:58 yates: clhs macro-function 15:02:11 yates: or slime-inspect can tell you 15:02:27 clhs macro-function 15:02:27 peterhil- [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has joined #lisp 15:02:27 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_macro_.htm 15:02:37 mega1: I don't think so. I vaguely remember a library that's nearly drop-in, but I can't remember its name. 15:02:49 okay, thanks 15:04:23 bobbysmith007: thank you. 15:04:28 -!- Vicfred [~Grothendi@189.143.207.177] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:04:49 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:05:12 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn1192-223.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:05:34 natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-46-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 15:05:59 -!- zolk3ri [~Zol1ka@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:06:04 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:06:26 how do you handle the case where you want more than one expression in an if? 15:07:04 you can't write (if my-flag-is-true symbol1 symbol2) since symbol2 will be taken as an ELSE 15:07:04 -!- lichtblau [~user@port-92-195-127-233.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:07:05 _8david [~user@port-92-195-127-233.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 15:07:17 yates: COND? 15:07:45 mega1: although, the new cublas interface seems easy to interface as a regular C library 15:07:47 -!- ghu43f [~vijay@192.5.110.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:07:51 in that particular case, you use WHEN 15:08:09 you can use PROGN, but I favor using COND instead 15:09:40 -!- cornihilio [~cornihili@softbank126127243122.bbtec.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:10:24 browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.90.244] has joined #lisp 15:10:37 what does yates _want_ it to be? i actually can't tell 15:11:19 -!- PCChris [Chris@dhcp-199-74-100-143.res-hall.northwestern.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:11:26 in his example, he wants WHEN. 15:11:49 sykopomp: i want to construct a function call in which some parameters are conditioned on a variable. if my-flag is false, (draw scene (:rect :x 10 :y 10)), and if my-flag is true (draw scene (:rect :x 10 :y 10 :mask (xlink-href my-mask))) 15:12:01 oh, more than one thing in the body 15:12:26 see that looks like a simple IF to me 15:12:57 -!- mhi^ [~mhi@mhi.sanctioned.net] has left #lisp 15:13:27 that's... an if-true and an if-else clause. 15:13:33 yeah. 15:14:04 sykopomp: you mean i can use a basic "if"? 15:14:41 <|3b|> (if flag (draw ...) (draw ...)) 15:14:51 based on what you described? Yes. 15:15:17 <|3b|> or (draw ... :mask (unless flag (xlink-href ...))) 15:15:37 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-184-30.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:15:48 <|3b|> (assuming NIL is a reasonable value for no mask) 15:15:53 |3b|: or (draw ... :mask (unless flag (mask: xlink-href ...)))? 15:16:39 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 15:16:42 <|3b|> mask: doesn't look like a valid operator 15:16:47 that won't parse 15:16:57 but that's what i want to do. 15:17:02 <|3b|> :mask doesn't either if that's what you intended to type 15:17:26 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.247.87.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:17:27 |3b|: in case you missed this, i want to construct a function call in which some parameters are conditioned on a variable. if my-flag is false, (draw scene (:rect :x 10 :y 10)), and if my-flag is true (draw scene (:rect :x 10 :y 10 :mask (xlink-href my-mask))) 15:17:34 <|3b|> if mean you want to return multiple arguments from a single IF, that is harder and probably not worth being hard to read 15:18:10 yes, i could put the entire "(draw ...)" inside an if, but that means code duplication. how do i condition just the parameters? 15:18:17 <|3b|> yates: right, so have an IF with a call to DRAW in the true clause and a call to DRAW in the false clause (which was my first suggection) 15:18:41 <|3b|> if you can pass NIL as :mask when flag is false, then 2nd suggestion applies 15:18:43 -!- Raptum [~cdh473@50.96.71.64] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:19:32 what if i can't (i'm not sure) 15:19:59 <|3b|> then you should probably duplicate the call 15:20:17 there's no way in this powerful language to do this? ! 15:20:27 <|3b|> you could do something with multiple-value-call and values, but that would be less readable than the code duplication, and probably sloer 15:20:29 <|3b|> *slower 15:20:45 -!- c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-xtjgxozupcjouhss] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:21:21 yates: draw is a macro, right? 15:21:22 -!- findiggle [~kirkwood@173.10.106.172] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:21:27 yates: you can do (draw ... :mask (unless flag (xlink ...))) 15:21:32 <|3b|> you could also use a macro or macrolet to hide the code duplication, but again probably would be less readable than just doing things directly with IF 15:21:34 |3b|: what was the "2nd suggestio" you referred to? i've lost track? 15:21:36 findiggle [~kirkwood@50-194-56-154-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 15:21:38 *suggestion 15:21:43 but "(mask: xlink ...)" makes no sense 15:21:51 <|3b|> :mask (unless flag (xlink-href ...)) 15:22:04 jdz: no, (macro-function 'draw) returns nil 15:22:22 <|3b|> in other words, always pass :mask, but change the value depending on the flag 15:22:30 yates: and :rect is a function? 15:22:38 yates: what kind of twisted library is that? 15:22:44 cl-svg 15:22:55 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@63.98.50.138] has quit [] 15:23:24 c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-tnywrpxtgqcijbja] has joined #lisp 15:23:47 <|3b|> yeah, that is ugly :/ 15:24:16 ok, then, i'll just dup the draws.... 15:24:20 sheesh! 15:24:28 yates: according to documentation, draw is a macro 15:24:39 _tca [~user@h151.25.91.207.static.ip.windstream.net] has joined #lisp 15:24:58 <|3b|> ah, less ugly as a macro 15:25:01 based on this conversastion, he probably didn't call macro-function on the right draw :p 15:25:02 jdz: ok, then does that change how i'd accomplish my goal? 15:25:08 <|3b|> and in which case you can't use multiple-value-call anyway 15:25:16 aha. 15:25:33 (macro-function 'cl-svg:draw) does NOT return nil 15:25:48 # 15:26:16 bitonic [~user@dyn1192-223.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 15:26:20 sorry! 15:26:38 so with draw as a macro, how could i form the desired construction? 15:26:54 <|3b|> duplicate the call 15:27:12 oh. 15:27:24 *yates* walks away deeply saddened... 15:28:24 yates: check what the macro expands into -- maybe you can use "lower level" constructs 15:28:34 <|3b|> macros look at their arguments at compile time, so if you want to check flag at runtime, you need both branches anyway 15:28:51 jewel [~jewel@105-236-20-105.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:28:56 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.171] has joined #lisp 15:29:03 |3b|: good point. 15:29:07 excellent, in fact. 15:29:08 <|3b|> (unless all it does is quote it and pass it to some other function, in which case jdz's suggestion might apply) 15:30:24 <|3b|> which is pretty close to what it does (LIST vs QUOTE), so you might be able to build a list at runtime instead 15:31:35 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn1192-223.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:31:37 victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has joined #lisp 15:32:32 macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h-17-133.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 15:32:40 i'm just going with the duplication call route - i didn't expect the alternate solution to be so convoluted. thanks everyone. 15:34:11 yates: it looks like all draw does is call make-svg-element with the args and then call add-element 15:34:12 *|3b|* would probably see if it does something sane with NIL for :mask first 15:34:20 (i think, all i did was M-. cl-svg:draw) 15:35:23 so, (add-element scene (apply #'make-svg-element (list* shape :rect ... 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look at it. 19:33:48 i am going to say 'because cliki2 uses to much ram and Is not a proper web app' 19:34:02 well, looking at my records, it has been down for over 12 hours 19:34:04 i suspect that it has to do with hunchentoot somehow, but i don't know how (and i don't know what hunchentoot version it uses). 19:34:19 I do9 not care about finding out why at this point 19:34:36 ok. then don't *shrug* 19:34:47 no logs? heh 19:36:58 yeah, could check on the logs ... but really, at this point, if it goes down, then a new cliki app is on my list of things to do. I still run the original cliki on a box where it has been up for 4 years and is still up... so either vsedach starts telling my why this happens, or I 'take over' the development 19:37:33 awesome. 19:40:24 -!- qNemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:43:48 heh ... reading back I see Krystof and H4ns and stassats talking about vsedach and xach ... so for future reference, "I own cliki.net, it runs on my machines, that I own, I own the domain, and the fact that it works 'fine' at all is in my head" ... if it goes down, email/irc/skype/phone me, and it being back up is more important then discovering why it went down, at least in my personal opinion. 19:44:30 noted :) 19:47:26 same is true for common-lisp.net/org ... and the mcclim cliki, and the sbcl internals... so basically, if something not related to SBCL or CCL goes down that we/you use all the time for CL things ... it may have something to do with me! :) 19:48:06 drewc: ok, i'll no longer be maintaining common-lisp.net - good luck with your property. 19:48:16 doh! 19:48:25 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-72-66-104-130.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:55:44 ikki [~ikki@187.240.179.198] has joined #lisp 19:56:09 is there a function to flatten a list, eg. (flatten '((1 2) (3) (4 5 6))) --> (1 2 3 4 5 6) ? 19:56:47 csaba: http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/paulgraham/onlisp.lisp 19:56:50 apply #'append 19:57:27 right, maybe that version is more generic than the situation warrants 19:57:37 csaba: #'alexandria:flatten 19:58:09 -!- kmels [~kmels@frbg-5f732f82.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:58:20 -!- QuickSilver_ [~ait@cpe-72-177-30-155.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: QuickSilver_] 19:58:50 thanks capisce 20:00:26 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:00:37 tsuru``` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-29-34.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 20:02:16 -!- tsuru`` [~charlie@adsl-74-240-217-20.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:03:23 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.162.129] has joined #lisp 20:04:54 -!- Strigoides [~Strigoide@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:05:04 what packages are available which can generate svg files? 20:05:12 other than cl-svg? 20:06:29 drewc: you've got too much power! 20:06:55 cornihilio [~cornihili@softbank126127243122.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 20:07:12 how is cl-cairo2 ? 20:07:28 brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:07:40 Bike: apply on an arbitrary list? no way! 20:07:56 csaba: http://www.reddit.com/r/lisp/comments/145cjx/i_am_a_php_programmer_this_is_my_first_lisp/ 20:07:58 eh? 20:08:02 yates: if you want to be close to the implementation, you can load the DTD in SEXML. i remember having to patch cl-svg to generate output. the author never responded. 20:08:34 Bike: (apply #'append list) is wrong 20:08:46 how so? 20:08:52 apply there? non .. REDUCE 20:08:57 clhs c-a-l 20:08:58 call-arguments-limit: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/v_call_a.htm 20:09:03 oh, i suppose. 20:09:53 stassats: agreed! 20:10:14 drewc: what happens if you're eaten by the sharks? 20:10:25 both on C-A-L and my 'too much power' :) 20:11:06 drewc clearly needs to be replaced by an erlang app. 20:11:07 madnificent: the problem i'm having with cl-svg is this: i like to create a function for my meta-objects. but cl-svg doesn't seem to have a functional way to group meta-objects; rather it seems that any groupings must be composed of draw or other macros and not your own user functions. so then without grouping you can't do thinks like transform or mask an entire composite image. 20:12:56 yates: yeah, i think i had to work around that too... 20:13:05 -!- cornihilio [~cornihili@softbank126127243122.bbtec.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:13:18 -!- yates [~user@nc-71-54-138-0.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:13:20 stassats: heh ... not to worried about the sharks ... the mudsharks (dogfish) are quite common around where ... OTOH I have seen one that is a danger to me and others in the ... 10 years I have been living on the wet coast, 5 of which are on the water itself :) 20:13:38 k0001_ [~k0001@host8.186-108-160.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 20:13:48 yates [~user@nc-71-54-138-0.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 20:13:55 sorry, had a power outage here.... 20:14:15 madnificent: did i miss something you said? 20:16:05 to add to my previous statement, i may just be too inexperienced in lisp to know the right way to accomplish what i seek. 20:16:55 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host250.181-1-203.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:17:25 e.g., i have a function (defun chevron (scene x y ...)) that draws a chevron on the passed scene 20:18:12 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-20-105.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:18:40 and i'd like to have a higher level function, call it picture, that a) creates the scene, creates a mask, draws several chevrons at various positions, and applies the mask. 20:19:41 it seems make-group won't work with functions (e.g., chevron) - it has to have draw functions. 20:19:48 directly. 20:20:38 e.g., i can't (let (my-group (make-group scene (progn (chevron scene 0 0)(chevron scene 100 0))))) 20:20:51 hello? 20:21:06 -!- bind [~bind@D4B2749A.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:21:11 madnificent: can you hear me? 20:22:41 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 20:23:02 progn? 20:23:13 and that let is malformed anyhow 20:23:28 e.g., i can't (let ((my-group (make-group scene (progn (chevron scene 0 0)(chevron scene 100 0)))))) 20:23:42 AeroNoti1 [~xeno@cct236.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:24:10 cornihilio [~cornihili@softbank126127243122.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 20:24:37 stassats: do you get my question? 20:24:55 i'm getting discouraged 20:25:27 -!- AeroNoti1 [~xeno@cct236.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 20:25:31 pyx [~pyx@d24-141-100-35.home.cgocable.net] has joined #lisp 20:25:47 AeroNoti1 [~xeno@cct236.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:25:53 am i doing something wrong, or is this package design lacking? 20:26:01 do you know what PROGN does? 20:26:07 clhs progn 20:26:08 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/s_progn.htm 20:26:13 -!- AeroNoti1 [~xeno@cct236.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 20:26:25 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@aafu145.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:26:36 AeroNoti1 [~xeno@cct236.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:27:39 stassats: i may not be expressing it properly, but i hope you see what my goal is from that example 20:28:10 no, i don't 20:28:33 i want to group several draws 20:28:55 how about reading the docs? 20:29:02 yates: back in a sec 20:29:07 madnificent: ok 20:29:08 -!- AeroNoti1 [~xeno@cct236.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 20:29:16 stassats: don't be ridiculous 20:29:29 stassats: i have. perhaps i lack the maturity to fully understand them 20:29:29 AeroNotix [~xeno@cct236.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:29:37 stassats: #lisp is clearly the docs, the search engine, and the therapist. 20:30:58 macro make-group scene (&rest attributes) &body shapes => svg-element 20:32:03 a macro prefixed with "make" sounds wrong to me 20:33:48 -!- k0001_ [~k0001@host8.186-108-160.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:34:55 yates: if you just want a function-literal, that's what lambda is for 20:34:57 clhs lambda 20:34:57 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/a_lambda.htm 20:35:26 bind [~bind@5ED5B26C.cm-7-6c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lisp 20:35:45 but if you're confused about that, you probably want to read a book on lisp. http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ 20:36:15 jasom: i don't see how lambda functions will help me here. 20:36:52 i'm afraid i'm too ignorant to even ask the right questions. 20:37:15 yates: (make-group ( ) ...) 20:37:17 yates: i don't have the code around, it seems 20:37:22 bitonic [~user@5e09a749.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 20:37:47 yates: however, i do remember something about letters and positions. if it doesn't draw, that's probably a bug that's still in there. 20:38:32 madnificent: no, i don't think that's this problem. i've gotten it to draw mpretty much most things - polygons, rectangles, text, etc. 20:38:33 yates: without knowing what make-group does I can't be sure 20:38:33 yates: for example, (make-group scene () (chevron ..) (chevron ...) (chevron ...)) seems like what you might want. Does this make sense? 20:38:46 yates: no, what i just said is a different problem 20:39:16 sykopomp: yes, let me see if it works. 20:39:38 -!- _d3f [~freedo@46.183.216.234] has quit [Quit: ~ The Gnu went back to savannah ~] 20:40:48 -!- Alatien [~Alatien@58.Red-79-159-7.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Alatien] 20:41:21 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: .] 20:41:53 senj [~senj@S01060026f3e14440.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 20:42:08 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:43:45 PCChris [Chris@wireless-165-124-248-238.nuwlan.northwestern.edu] has joined #lisp 20:47:51 sykopomp: yes, that works~ 20:48:06 thank you 20:48:18 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:48:19 *works. 20:48:53 Endrinna [~Infectedm@107.58-224-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #lisp 20:48:55 -!- Endrinna [~Infectedm@107.58-224-89.dsl.completel.net] has left #lisp 20:48:58 orivej [~orivej@broadband-95-84-171-19.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #lisp 20:49:23 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:49:39 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-210-0-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [] 20:50:03 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.41] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:50:52 brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:51:14 normanrichards [~normanric@72-48-145-180.static.grandenetworks.net] has joined #lisp 20:52:08 Is there a library to do in-process (extra-thread) pipe I/O with gray streams and bordeaux threads? 20:52:56 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.28] has joined #lisp 20:54:23 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 20:54:42 I want it to make an input stream and an output stream, to execute a thunk in a separate thread, providing one stream to the thunk and immediately returning the other. 20:55:55 orivej: is there a reason you want to use streams instead of (for example) a queue of lisp objects? 20:57:12 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:58:36 I want read/write-sequence and stream API. It seems to be easy to implement with a thread-safe queue, though. 20:59:45 orivej: someone pointed to one the other day. I've just used iolib.sockets:socketpair, which is probably not as efficient 21:01:06 is it text/binary data? you can just use streams in that case. 21:01:11 -!- kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:14 -!- mega1 [~user@2E6B32C4.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:01:29 jsnell: quite the opposite, on Linux pipes are implemented using an AF_UNIX socketpair 21:01:34 otherwise: http://lparallel.org/ 21:01:54 jasom: that was for you :) 21:02:17 fe[nl]ix: No I mean that it's probably slower than an entirely in-process implementation 21:03:13 orivej most probably doesn't need that kind of efficiency 21:03:36 fe[nl]ix: I agree, which is why I mentioned it as an option 21:03:57 sykopomp: How do I do that with a stream? 21:05:14 I might be confused by what you're trying to do. 21:05:55 In other words, I want a thread-safe buffering two way stream. 21:06:16 Except that it creates both of its streams, rather than reuses existing ones. 21:06:24 ahungry [~null@66.184.106.97] has joined #lisp 21:06:46 what do you mean by thread-safe ? 21:07:16 That I don't explicitly lock it on read and write. 21:07:24 hi all, absolute newb to lisp, I was wondering if there is a way without loops to call a function repeatedly without typing its name each time (but sending in different params)? 21:07:35 -!- dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:07:44 So I could do something like (myfunc ("dataone") ("datatwo")) 21:08:02 well, you could write a macro for it, but it seems kind of pointless? 21:08:45 ahungry: error, "dataone" is not a function. 21:08:48 etc 21:08:59 ahungry: you're not being terribly clear 21:09:28 I think the idea is that is supposed to be equivalent to (progn (myfunc "dataone") (myfunc "datatwo"))? 21:09:49 yes Bike, similar to that 21:10:55 I want a function that takes in a few inputs and outputs a concated string of them, so calling (myfunc "cat" "garfield") 21:11:05 would spit out the text "Your pet is a cat named garfield" 21:11:13 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.234.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:11:17 but I dont want to do (myfunc "dog" "odie") 21:11:18 orivej: why do you want that ? 21:11:29 and keep typing myfunc for every call to it 21:11:42 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-161-194.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:11:55 I want something like, (myfunc ("cat" "garfield") ("dog" "odie") ("rat" "fieval")) 21:12:06 and then see the output for the pet 3x 21:12:28 Fiora [~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 21:12:30 this isn't my real function obviously but its a real small example to try to explain what I was trying to get going, does lisp support something liek that 21:12:33 or am I being dumb here? haha 21:12:41 (mapcar #'myfunc '(("cat" "garfield") ("dog" "odie"))), I suppose 21:13:21 Thanks Bike, hopefully you guys will never hear such a silly question from me :) 21:13:26 in the future 21:15:08 Bike: (mapcar (curry #'apply #'myfunc) ...) 21:15:14 -!- wicked_shell [~wicked_sh@gateway/tor-sasl/wickedshell/x-12495307] has quit [Quit: Deleted by accident] 21:15:24 or (mapcar #'myfunc '("cat" "dog") ("garfield" "odie")) 21:16:16 i suppose. 21:16:16 orivej: I would suggest just using socketpair from iolib. 21:16:33 fe[nl]ix: There are some operations defined on streams like compression or digesting which are naturally parallel (in a Unix pipe sense) and which become very unwieldy in code and slow in execution when expressed with explicit full buffering (do 1, capture output, feed to 2, capture, process further). 21:18:43 QuickSilver_ [~ait@cpe-72-177-30-155.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:19:07 Urchin[Emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined #lisp 21:19:15 jasom: Yes, that's very close and I'll try it, but I would still like to do it without networking later. 21:20:39 Ralt_ [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 21:21:50 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:24:47 -!- QuickSilver_ [~ait@cpe-72-177-30-155.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: QuickSilver_] 21:25:20 -!- PCChris [Chris@wireless-165-124-248-238.nuwlan.northwestern.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:26:51 orivej: AF_LOCAL is meant for local IPC. 21:29:46 QuickSilver_ [~ait@173-147-34-9.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 21:30:22 pkhuong: Thank you. I didn't think about sockets before jasom's suggestion, but now they strike as a natural choice. 21:31:25 orivej: if you use an iolib socketpair, you can avoid locking as long as each socket is only used by one thread 21:31:52 Indeed, that is the case. 21:32:10 kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:32:29 fe[nl]ix: there will be (potentially) kernel locking, but there have been recent improvements in the granularity of linux AF_LOCAL sockets so it's unlikely to affect performance 21:32:41 and by recent I mean in the last 5 years or so 21:32:41 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Quit: rpg] 21:33:36 -!- ahoops [~ahoops__@121.96.14.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:33:49 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.162.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:34:10 -!- QuickSilver_ [~ait@173-147-34-9.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:35:03 ahhh ... I finally figured it out ... it has been bothering my for the last few months, why there are so many basic questions about lisp and programming in general asked here, and on c.l.l and others I frequent ... 21:35:33 drewc: the meaning of life ? 21:35:42 I suppose I completely forget about another september added to the eternals. 21:36:22 no, the meaning of life is simple ... '42' ;) 21:36:38 *jasom* needs to come up with a new life event for which everything since is "recent" as "graduated college" is too far away now at over 8 years. 21:37:54 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 21:37:58 well ... my 'graduated college' is likely not on my list of things to do in this lifetime 21:38:40 -!- Urchin[Emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:39:01 *jasom* barely managed it 21:39:05 *drewc* dropped out of college twice ... both times because he was employed as a systems developer and computer contractor and did not feel he need to go to school to learn how 21:40:07 I don't know how, but I managed to turn down a job during the .com boom that paid $60k/year 21:40:27 -!- kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:41:01 I dropped out of high-school with 3 weeks left in the year, I was taking all OAC courses, and had 80%+ in most of them... and was already accepted to college as a mature student ... so spent that 3 weeks drinking with my friends :) 21:41:19 QuickSilver_ [~ait@107.33.229.77] has joined #lisp 21:41:22 hi drewc 21:41:29 hey hey 21:41:47 Shouldn't have revealed your Ontarian origins ;) 21:42:04 I was born in Halifax! :P 21:42:11 -!- tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:42:32 jasom: 60k/y during the .com boom sounds like not much 21:42:56 prxq: there was equity too, but since it was during the .com boom, I can value it at $0 21:43:25 afaik, there are very few on this earth that live as far away from the place they were born yet still in the same country ... only russians could do better lol 21:43:35 -!- senj [~senj@S01060026f3e14440.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [] 21:44:46 drewc: what are you Nova Scotia to BC? 21:45:02 heh .. i was making about $55k in a tech support dept at the time ('99/2000) ... and I was given stock options at $10 a share when they were goiong for $15 ... 21:46:21 when I got laid off from that, the shares that I paid $10 were worth approx $0.12 21:46:33 -!- specbot [~specbot@tiger.common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:46:39 specbot [~specbot@tiger.common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 21:49:06 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@cct236.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 21:51:39 jasom: yup. 'Halifax' to 'Living of the west coast on the water itself'. with Dartmouth, Sackville, Quebec (St Lazare, Hudson, Oka), Ontario (Missisauga, Pickering,Toronto), then drove out to BC (East van, commercial dr, Van, N.van, W.van, richmond and bowen island) so all places I lived in-between , + now on a boatyard in W. Vancouver :) 21:53:48 -!- lufu [~user@5.254.133.43] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:54:12 oh, and burnaby .. lived there for a year as well. 21:55:24 Now, heh, my home is my boat, so doesn't matter where the location is, if i am onboard, I am home. 21:55:57 -!- bind [~bind@5ED5B26C.cm-7-6c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:56:19 (and. depending on how things go, 2014 I will sail to Brazil) 21:56:35 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@72-48-145-180.static.grandenetworks.net] has quit [] 21:56:52 *drewc* is done being offtopic now and apologizes 21:56:59 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:57:06 Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has joined #lisp 21:58:52 fms [~fms@173.228.63.34] has joined #lisp 21:59:05 -!- fms is now known as ebobby 22:01:07 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:01:16 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-144-81.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: none] 22:01:38 -!- ahungry [~null@66.184.106.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:01:58 -!- ikki [~ikki@187.240.179.198] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:02:12 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.108] has joined #lisp 22:06:06 tcr [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:07:44 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@apn-89-223-187-32.vodafone.hu] has joined #lisp 22:07:44 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@apn-89-223-187-32.vodafone.hu] has quit [Changing host] 22:07:44 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 22:08:06 bind [~bind@5ED5B26C.cm-7-6c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lisp 22:10:15 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@167.68.114.6] has quit [Quit: I tend to be neutral about apples] 22:13:14 zolk3ri [~Zol1ka@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has joined #lisp 22:14:06 -!- francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:15:02 kslt1` [~karl.sier@netblock-72-25-110-30.dslextreme.com] has joined #lisp 22:16:27 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@apn-89-223-217-224.vodafone.hu] has joined #lisp 22:16:27 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:23:30 Alatien [~Alatien@253.Red-83-33-80.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 22:25:16 -!- mritz [~textual@97.65.251.170] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:26:36 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-013-105.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:26:39 -!- surrounder [~surrounde@095-096-032-026.static.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27:49 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@apn-37-220-225-20.vodafone.hu] has joined #lisp 22:27:49 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@apn-37-220-225-20.vodafone.hu] has quit [Changing host] 22:27:49 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 22:28:05 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:28:21 surrounder [~surrounde@095-096-032-026.static.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 22:29:43 -!- attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@apn-89-223-217-224.vodafone.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:30:34 -!- Ralt_ [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:33:12 peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 22:34:41 tiger1235 [~tiger1235@nat-oitwireless-outside-vapornet3-f-69.Princeton.EDU] has joined #lisp 22:35:19 -!- tiger1235 [~tiger1235@nat-oitwireless-outside-vapornet3-f-69.Princeton.EDU] has quit [Client Quit] 22:35:34 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:36:37 mritz [~textual@cpe-70-112-1-179.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:38:13 AeroNotix [~xeno@cct236.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 22:39:43 dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has joined #lisp 22:41:55 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 22:43:57 catmtking [~catmtking@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:44:15 vhsmaia [~vhsmaia@177.157.201.254] has joined #lisp 22:45:01 -!- tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has left #lisp 22:46:59 -!- vhsmaia [~vhsmaia@177.157.201.254] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:07 vhsmaia [~vhsmaia@177.157.201.254] has joined #lisp 22:49:20 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@cct236.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 22:50:01 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 22:50:23 -!- bind [~bind@5ED5B26C.cm-7-6c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:51:26 -!- vhsmaia [~vhsmaia@177.157.201.254] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:54:36 -!- victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has quit [Quit: Leaving IRC - 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