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Is there a library with something like that? 02:49:59 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:50:26 kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #lisp 02:51:23 liweinan [~liweinan@222.130.232.241] has joined #lisp 02:58:56 -!- liweinan [~liweinan@222.130.232.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:00:05 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:35 -!- forrest__ [~forrest@rrcs-64-183-255-247.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:00:50 forrest__ [~forrest@rrcs-64-183-255-247.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:01:24 agumonkey [~agu@27.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 03:02:16 Found iolib:dotted-to-integer 03:02:26 ltbarcly [~ltbarcly@pool-71-116-86-117.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:03:00 you could write a test pretty fast in terms of regexes, i would think 03:04:55 Sure, but I will need IPv6 right after this and I'd rather I didn't have to deal with regexes 03:06:25 you'll be parsing a regular language anyway, why not use someone else's parser generator, is all i'm thinking 03:08:16 Adeon_ [~tryffelit@109.73.169.52] has joined #lisp 03:08:52 -!- Adeon [~tryffelit@109.73.169.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:09:47 -!- kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:10:55 kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #lisp 03:11:30 Some of the IPv6 regexes that turn up in google make me want to tear my eyes out :p 03:12:19 liweinan [~liweinan@222.130.232.241] has joined #lisp 03:12:46 oh, right, the collapsing would make it sorta tricky 03:13:46 KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:16:29 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host152.186-109-99.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:16:59 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 03:17:28 -!- cdh473 [~cdh473@50.96.71.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:17:30 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:17:54 k0001 [~k0001@186.153.74.46] has joined #lisp 03:17:59 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A2397.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 03:18:24 Also IPv4-mapped addresses 03:19:46 still, that just means it's a hard problem, and probably not one best solved with ppcre aka line noise 03:22:45 -!- ghu43f [~vijay@192.5.110.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:23:36 -!- kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:26:56 kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #lisp 03:28:03 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:28:18 -!- Joreji [~thomas@93-186.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:34:03 -!- wakeup_ [~max@xdsl-89-0-94-234.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:38:44 -!- Adeon_ is now known as Adeon 03:39:04 -!- liweinan [~liweinan@222.130.232.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:44:03 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:45:04 -!- bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:46:11 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:48:19 -!- zophy [~sy@24.111.9.10] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:48:39 -!- Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:48:51 -!- sw2wolf [~czsq888@171.216.152.195] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 03:49:01 -!- eataix [~eataix@unaffiliated/eataix] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:49:16 -!- cpc26 [~user@fsf/member/cpc26] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 03:49:18 mathrick [~mathrick@94.144.63.83] has joined #lisp 03:51:41 -!- kofno [~kofno@24.165.213.150] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:53:07 -!- k0001 [~k0001@186.153.74.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:54:32 k0001 [~k0001@host146.190-224-61.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 03:55:29 -!- agumonkey [~agu@27.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:55:48 -!- francisl [~anonymous@bas6-montreal45-2925067190.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: francisl] 03:58:37 victor_lowther [~victor.lo@2602:306:3686:ec50:3dee:c59f:d0d3:d8fc] has joined #lisp 04:02:04 -!- benny [~user@i577A7121.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:02:38 liweinan [~liweinan@222.130.232.241] has joined #lisp 04:03:56 -!- kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - 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Annoyingly seems to depend on a lot, including, indirectly on (drakma) which is a completely different topic. This is a bad sign." 05:30:20 what's it use drakma for? 05:30:30 *stassats* removed that section now 05:30:30 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-72-66-104-130.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:30:45 mmaul: I like matlisp for dense arithmetic. 05:31:47 It isn't clever when things don't map nicely to BLAS/LAPACK calls, but it's very convenient. 05:32:00 Bike: for downloading something, i presume 05:32:11 well yes, just wondering what 05:32:14 but, who cares 05:32:40 bind [~bind@D4B2749A.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #lisp 05:32:52 I was looking at that. Lisplab looks like a fork. I guess neigher has much activity... 05:34:14 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-72-66-104-130.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:34:49 -!- bananagram [~bananagra@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:35:13 Does Matlisp have an equivalant to Matlab bsxfun, pretty much like a zip for two matricies 05:37:18 mmaul: zipWith, I assume, unless matlab grew tensor support. 05:39:54 -!- linse [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1177917310.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 05:40:08 it only has unary map-matrix, but that's just DOTIMES loop with one-argument matrix-ref as (basically) column-major-aref. You can easily write an n-ary version. 05:40:47 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host146.190-224-61.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:42:10 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-72-66-104-130.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:42:20 k0001 [~k0001@200.117.218.47] has joined #lisp 05:42:47 Just read you Xecto page, very interesting. 05:43:05 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Quit: klltkr] 05:44:50 I expect if you make recomendations on Matrix packages for lisp I should probably take them. So You mention Xecto is SBCL centric, any comments on Xecto on CCL. 05:46:55 probably won't work at all on CCL. It's also very preliminary and I wouldn't actually use it. I've been trying, for quite some time, to find some compromise to let the implementation be nice and efficient while keeping usage simple and fairly generic. Nothing yet. 05:50:29 dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has joined #lisp 05:51:14 -!- Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:51:20 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:51:34 Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has joined #lisp 05:51:39 -!- Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:51:57 Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has joined #lisp 05:52:04 I expect that is a tough bill to fit. Though I am quite impresed at the compatibilty among common-lisp implementations and the awsomeness of #+ in making implementation specific declarations 05:52:54 I've knocked about in schemeland and the fragmentaion is quite fustrating. 05:53:37 forrest___ [~forrest@rrcs-64-183-255-247.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 05:53:59 Any experience with lparallel, the API looks quite fantastic, Any experience with it? 05:54:00 -!- forrest___ [~forrest@rrcs-64-183-255-247.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 05:55:02 gravicappa [~gravicapp@91.77.161.105] has joined #lisp 05:55:18 If the implementation of lparalell lives up to the API integrating that with a matrix library would be very cool. 05:55:27 nope. My needs tend to be fairly simple, if varied, and I just write a couple one-off functions on top of sb-thread. I hear lparallel works well. 05:56:56 -!- forrest__ [~forrest@rrcs-64-183-255-247.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:00:00 -!- PuercoPop [~user@190.41.173.174] has left #lisp 06:00:05 As far as abstractions go lparallel is the nicest one I've seen for any language. Course there is always a cost for abstractions and if you are able to take advantage of implementaion specific functionality you'll come out ahead performance wise. 06:00:17 -!- ltbarcly [~ltbarcly@pool-71-116-86-117.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:05:47 -!- Jubb [~ghost@pool-96-241-84-33.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:06:28 -!- Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:06:43 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-091-089-000-047.hsi2.kabelbw.de] has joined #lisp 06:07:03 Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has joined #lisp 06:07:03 -!- Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:12:23 mmaul: which culminates with writing parts in assembly 06:13:20 z0a [~zainamro@c-67-182-61-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:14:01 kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 06:14:56 stassats: you say that as though it were a bad thing. 06:15:17 erh? as if even. 06:19:10 Odyessus [~odyessus@80.109.62.130] has joined #lisp 06:19:19 pkhuong: it's fun, but not something i would want to do often 06:19:32 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@108.87.20.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:22:08 duko [~duko@cpe-76-174-26-24.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 06:22:09 stassats: as little as possible, but it doesn't have to be painful or leak into the rest of the program. 06:22:36 *stassats* gradually starts to hate initialization and finalization protocols, specifically, their separation 06:24:10 pkhuong: i'd rather see SBCL produce better code, then make my code better 06:24:49 i want to use hunchentoot as a socket endpoint 06:25:11 I'd like to see SBCL produce ARM code, then I could get off a non main stream distribution. That said CCL is not bad. 06:25:20 would someone help me by sharing a link or some information to get started with such a task? 06:25:24 crus0e [~Thunderbi@HSI-KBW-149-172-198-162.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 06:25:41 stassats: I'm more interested in avoiding really bad code in a generic compiler, and making it easy to hook in specialised code generators. 06:25:50 duko: i don't really get your question 06:26:43 hunchentoot is a web-server, it uses tcp, and sockets, naturally 06:27:05 ah i see excuse me :) 06:27:08 thanks 06:27:50 i want another server to communicate with a server hunchentoot is installed on 06:28:18 do you want a reverse proxy? 06:29:06 -!- eataix [~eataix@unaffiliated/eataix] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 06:29:09 yes 06:29:34 hunchentoot is an ordinary web-server, so any guide you will find will be applicable 06:30:52 i use lighttpd, and it has like http://redmine.lighttpd.net/projects/1/wiki/Docs_ModProxy 06:32:28 -!- leo2007 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[~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:37:22 I'm trying to solve two equations with two unknowns in lisp... and I'm stuck on how to proceed :/ 10:38:02 shwouchk [~kosta@unaffiliated/shwouchk] has joined #lisp 10:38:20 Hello 10:38:31 does anyone understand how this is possible? 10:38:33 http://paste.lisp.org/display/134017 10:39:32 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:42:16 Ralt: is a trivial :) system of linear equations. 10:42:49 Ralt: ask on #math anyway. 10:43:58 pnpuff: on paper I can solve it. that's not the problem 10:44:17 it's just in a program, where there's no "unknown" variable 10:45:03 <|3b|> shwouchk: that COND seems like it might be better as just OR 10:45:36 |3b|, you are right, I'll change that 10:45:59 tcr [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 10:46:01 |3b|, I'd still like to find out how come I got that output though 10:46:11 <|3b|> shwouchk: looks like incorrect parens 10:46:40 *|3b|* would have put some more newlines in it too, not that it would affect correctness 10:46:52 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 10:47:11 <|3b|> might make it more obvious what is wrong though, if you have a smart editor that does indentation for you 10:48:02 |3b|, I'm using emacs, C-c C-q leaves everything indented as is 10:48:52 |3b|, moreover, I have parens colored by depth and it looks correct (when they are colored it is relatively easy to spot mistakes if you are looking for them) 10:49:10 |3b|, did you see a specific mistake by chance? 10:49:31 <|3b|> yes 10:49:44 francogrex [~user@109.130.12.200] has joined #lisp 10:49:45 Ill be damned 10:49:50 where is it? 10:50:00 who maintains the common-lisp.net/ ? 10:50:01 <|3b|> well, where does your trace stop? 10:50:26 svn checkout svn://common-lisp.net/project/ansi-test/svn/trunk/ansi-tests 10:50:26 fails to connect since like 6 months or more 10:50:30 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.80.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:51:00 |3b|, there is nothing more to trace after the strictly-in-edge 10:51:19 |3b|, I can't trace the and, and tracing eq doesn't seem to work 10:51:27 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:51:50 actually, nm 10:51:52 it does work 10:51:57 <|3b|> right, shouldn't trace things in CL package (since they might have been used to implement TRACE for one thing) 10:52:29 |3b|, tracing eq does work, it seems actually 10:52:57 |3b|, and I found the mistake, thanks! 10:53:28 on another note, I see that since SBCL version 1.55 the debugger has become excellent 10:54:05 the 1.1.2 version has one of the best lisp debuggers better than that of clisp 10:56:08 -!- ltbarcly [~ltbarcly@pool-71-116-86-117.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:56:20 Ralt: read somerthing on parallel numerical algorithms to start (LU decomposition). 10:57:41 god bless Turing! 10:58:48 Ralt: PAIP has chapter on 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I use the ssh method since I'm a user 11:51:24 of the common-lisp.net system and have a login. 11:52:25 francogrex: it works for me with TSVN. 11:52:31 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 11:52:53 what's the exact command you're using? 11:53:33 svn checkout svn://common-lisp.net/project/ansi-test/svn/trunk/ansi-tests 11:53:33 11:53:49 and the error is no route to common-lisp.net 11:54:23 that's an IP configuration issue. 11:54:34 can you otherwise access common-lisp.net? 11:54:46 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@122.236.244.61] has quit [Quit: my website: http://stardiviner.dyndns-blog.com/] 11:54:55 through ssh or rsync? 11:55:17 francogrex: maybe it's better to use the http checkout protocol? 11:55:33 yes no problem with access it's just the svn 11:56:14 ok. then you're probably behind a "transparent" proxy which doesn't know about the svn protocol, but does know about the others. 11:56:31 can you use the http checkout? 11:56:40 what I need is to clone the whole project 11:56:42 it's less efficient, but if it actually works. 11:56:47 edhu how? 11:57:00 you need to clone the whole project? 11:57:05 that's no problem. 11:57:09 Xizor [~Xizor@c83-252-198-185.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 11:57:20 i use either svn or cvs for that 11:57:40 but not http no knowledge how to do with http 11:57:48 http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/subversion/trunk/notes/svnsync.txt 11:57:52 use svnsync 11:57:58 it works over all protocols. 11:58:06 ok 11:59:57 renard_ [~renard@2a01:e0b:1:150:ca0a:a9ff:fef1:a847] has joined #lisp 12:05:36 -!- fantasticsid [~user@216.240.135.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:06:24 francogrex: but why clone the project? 12:06:26 I mean, 12:07:16 it's available on common-lisp.net which isn't supposed to go anywhere any time soon. 12:07:26 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@93-80-126-135.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:10:06 I need to sownload all the files to initiate the ansi tests on my PC! 12:10:09 download 12:10:31 oh. ok. that's different from cloning. 12:10:33 how else will I preform the test, unless I can also download a tarball 12:10:41 you just need to checkout. 12:10:47 well, that works over http as well. 12:10:51 or at least, it should. 12:10:59 checkout yes 12:11:02 Speaking about cloning projects, there is actually one project I wish somebody would clone: Emacs! Somebody should make a multithreaded cleaned up version of emacs. If you do a mistake, like trying to connect to an irc server (erc) that does not exist, the whole emacs is frozen for a long time. 12:11:05 ehu how. 12:11:11 what command for example? 12:11:41 something like that isn't correct obviously: 12:11:57 svnsync init http://common-lisp.net/project/ansi-test/svn/trunk/ansi-tests ~/newdir 12:12:10 Emacs in CL would be nice :) 12:12:34 engblom: there is one like emacs it's the ditor of cmucl 12:12:34 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-227-009.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:12:57 hooters or whatever its name is 12:13:12 francogrex: svn co http://common-lisp.net/project/ansi-test/svn/trunk/ansi-tests 12:13:35 francogrex: doesn't that work? 12:14:34 all it gives is this: 200 OK (http://common-lisp.net) 12:15:19 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:15:55 I think the repo does not have that project 12:16:00 deleted or otherwise 12:16:05 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:17:59 -!- Ralt [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:20:44 francogrex: the correct URL is 12:20:44 http://svn.common-lisp.net/ansi-test/trunk/ansi-tests/ 12:21:48 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: :End] 12:23:32 ah well... got damnit now it works 12:23:55 ok then a correction needed on the http://common-lisp.net/project/ansi-test/ 12:24:14 Odin- [~sbkhh@erudite.anarchism.is] has joined #lisp 12:27:49 ubii_ [~ubii@184.21.196.19] has joined #lisp 12:28:41 -!- calebopeko [~calebopek@ip-88-153-139-127.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:28:54 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:29:01 francogrex: done. 12:29:26 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:31:50 -!- ubii [~ubii@unaffiliated/ubii] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:33:06 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.214.172.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:33:14 -!- CatMtKing [~chrono220@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:33:28 thanks 12:35:10 -!- [SLB] is now known as [SLB]` 12:43:38 -!- cfy is now known as jusss 12:44:58 -!- jusss is now known as little_madper 12:46:20 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 12:48:12 -!- cYmen [~cymen@squint.a-oben.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:48:15 I'm trying to quickload cl-glut in lispbox on windows. I'm told that I need to have freeglut.dll. 1. Where excatly do I put it? 2. Do I need the msvc or the mingw versions? 12:48:16 -!- little_madper is now known as iPerl 12:48:51 zodiac1111 [~zodiac111@183.128.234.201] has joined #lisp 12:49:26 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:49:37 Joreji [~thomas@93-186.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 12:50:10 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.12.200] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:54:02 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 12:54:34 shwouchk_: in some place where it will be found. If cl-glut uses cffi (most probably), then you can also indicate the directory where you put it adding it to the list: cffi:*foreign-library-directories* 12:55:16 shwouchk_: read the documentation of cffi. 12:55:19 pjb, I see 12:55:21 nice 12:56:21 pjb, and do you know which version of freeflut I would want? 12:56:28 Otherwise, I don't know if it makes any difference what compiler was used to compile the dll. 12:56:39 Try both. 12:57:32 actually, I just saw that it said that the MSVC one is also compatible with mingw... don't know why there would be 2 packages then 12:57:34 thanks 12:58:27 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-014-051.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 13:01:03 pjb, indeed it worked (setting the *foreign-library-directories* var). thanks again! 13:01:05 Whitesquall [~notwhites@94.242.168.99] has joined #lisp 13:02:36 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #lisp 13:04:08 stardiviner [~stardivin@122.236.241.127] has joined #lisp 13:06:27 -!- liweinan [~liweinan@222.130.232.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:09:26 what is a good way to check which compiler I am running on? 13:09:44 (list (lisp-implementation-type) (lisp-implementation-version)) 13:10:17 liweinan [~liweinan@222.130.232.241] has joined #lisp 13:10:25 shwouchk_: the MSVC/mingw split is only important when mixing other libs as well 13:10:34 and even more important when mixing C++ libs 13:10:43 p_l, I see 13:12:04 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:12:15 fantasticsid [~user@116.227.102.255] has joined #lisp 13:12:27 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 13:14:05 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:14:55 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 13:15:47 urandom__ [~user@p548A1812.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:20:20 Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has joined #lisp 13:20:27 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.141] has joined #lisp 13:21:10 -!- moore33 [~moore@ABordeaux-153-1-12-79.w92-146.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:23:58 eni [~eni@82.230.88.217] has joined #lisp 13:25:35 Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 13:26:57 I'm trying to make my code work on two different compilers. My method (using cond on a couple of compiler sapecific options) seems to fail. help? http://paste.lisp.org/display/134018 13:28:18 use features 13:28:42 http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/iiip/doc/CommonLISP/HyperSpec/Body/var_stfeaturesst.html 13:29:02 clhs #+ 13:29:02 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_dhq.htm 13:29:23 or if you insist on using cond do it at read time 13:29:48 shwouchk_: #+sbcl (sbcl stuff) #+clisp (clisp stuff) #-(or sbcl clisp) (error "How do we do stuff on ~A" (lisp-implementation-type)) 13:30:36 pjb, thanks! 13:31:01 also daimrod & galdor 13:31:19 kennyd, I don't insist, but just for my education, how can I make it happen at read time? 13:32:07 Ralt [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 13:32:12 shwouchk_: #.(this gets evaluated at read time) 13:32:26 pavelpenev, nice, thanks 13:32:30 and returned form is fed to the compiler 13:32:35 and kennyd also 13:32:40 :) 13:33:47 moore33 [~moore@ABordeaux-153-1-11-210.w92-146.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:34:02 jackss [~jj@31.45.174.194] has joined #lisp 13:34:50 what is lisp equivalent of boolean ? trueValue : falseValue ? 13:35:24 jackss: if ? 13:35:39 (if boolean true-value falsevalue) 13:35:54 jackss: there's no statement in lisp. 13:36:07 jackss: every lisp form is an expression, returning 0, 1 or more values. 13:36:34 i see interesting. thanks 13:37:25 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 13:39:43 -!- nan_ [~user@46.197.116.88] has left #lisp 13:40:08 nan_ [~user@46.197.116.88] has joined #lisp 13:40:16 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d002132.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:42:52 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@94.144.63.83] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:43:30 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-014-051.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:43:32 -!- Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:43:44 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 13:44:13 I get this error when I try to actually do something with glut on windows (cl-glut was loaded sucessfully): Can't resolve foreign symbol "glutGet". Help? 13:47:33 shwouchk_: perhaps you should ask that on #lispgames, they're more used using glut there. 13:47:48 pjb, good Idea, I will 13:48:57 Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has joined #lisp 13:50:50 is it required that i always format in the newline if i want to make sure the newline is treated as "\r\n"? 13:51:23 I don't understand that question. 13:51:44 Raptum: what problem is there? 13:51:50 say, i want to send the "hello world!\r\n" out to a stream 13:52:17 to make sure that the newline at the end is indeed system agnostic, is it required that i do this?: 13:52:47 (format stream "hello world!~c~c" #\return #\linefeed) 13:52:50 Raptum: newline starts a new line. some lisps have external format support that makes newline, given the proper external format, be rendered as \r\n 13:53:10 alright. 13:53:40 Raptum: this is not specified in cl, though. look at flexi-streams for a portable solution. ccl has native support for crlf line endings 13:54:25 meh it probably wouldn't be too hard to just write a quick little macro, i'm not using it for anything but a test 13:54:48 What do you mean by "system agnostic"? 13:55:10 Raptum: why macro? 13:55:17 Notice that on most CL implementation (or (eql #\Newline #\Return) (eql #\Newline #\Linefeed)). 13:55:27 H4ns: the way i'm thinking about writing it 13:55:34 Therefore on most of them, (format t "~C~C" #\Return #\Newline") will break. 13:55:44 pjb: erm, i specifically need it to be \r\n 13:55:49 i'm sending it out to a different system 13:55:57 Raptum: if you want to produce a stream with exact codes, you must first realize that codes are bytes, ie. binary data. 13:56:27 Therefore you should not write a character stream, but a binary stream. Then you can write the bytes 13 and 10 with full control. 13:56:35 ah 13:56:41 gotcha 13:56:50 that's much more elegant 13:56:54 Raptum: use babel to convert strings into utf-8 sequences of bytes. 13:56:56 thanks 13:57:31 ikki [~ikki@189.247.90.129] has joined #lisp 14:00:11 browndawg [~browndawg@117.214.172.106] has joined #lisp 14:01:07 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m90-141-9-232.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 14:03:59 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:13:02 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 14:18:28 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@122.236.241.127] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:23:48 LiamH [~none@96.231.227.13] has joined #lisp 14:24:05 ngz [~user@118.97.199.77.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 14:26:02 -!- eataix [~eataix@unaffiliated/eataix] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:26:08 -!- nan_ [~user@46.197.116.88] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:27:58 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:28:04 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@83.26.179.7] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 14:28:31 kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:28:36 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-023-042.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 14:29:00 qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has joined #lisp 14:29:01 francogrex [~user@109.130.12.200] has joined #lisp 14:30:11 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:31:04 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:22 -!- tcr [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:33:07 -!- jackss [~jj@31.45.174.194] has quit [Quit: quit] 14:34:46 -!- iPerl [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:38:25 cffi experts: http://pastebin.com/PRFxZug7 I am sending data (observed and background arrays) to this program and it will give back results right now it prints to a file but would like to get back results to the calling program. the problem is I do not know in advance the size (length) of the data that I will receive in advance 14:39:43 brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:40:43 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 14:41:32 -!- Ralt [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:42:26 francisl [~anonymous@bas6-montreal45-2925067190.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 14:42:37 engblom` [~user@86-60-152-181-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has joined #lisp 14:42:42 -!- Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:44:27 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.141] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:45:07 -!- engblom [~user@unaffiliated/engblom] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:45:32 francogrex: How would you do it in C? It's the same in Lisp! 14:46:29 francogrex: the C routine can either accumulate the data in a buffer, and then return the buffer and its size, or it can call callbacks to send chunks repeatitively. 14:46:32 in liso I would loop and collect caring little about the size of the recipient 14:46:49 collect builds a linked list. Do the same in C! 14:46:50 lisp 14:47:00 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.89.71] has joined #lisp 14:47:14 I was hoping to be able to avoid that 14:47:21 am0c [~am0c@am0c.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #lisp 14:47:24 Why are you writing C code if you don't know C? 14:47:43 because life is short! 14:47:52 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.32.82] has joined #lisp 14:47:53 Then just write lisp code! 14:47:54 not lack of knowledge, I will be able to build linked lists 14:48:06 but I was hoping for a smarter trick 14:48:18 Or dynamically sized vectors, in C. 14:48:20 Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 14:48:33 francogrex: or a callback. 14:48:48 a callback would be the easiest 14:49:07 Not really. They don't work always very well. 14:49:18 hmm 14:49:46 And when going thru the FFI, they may not be so fast either. 14:50:33 |3b|, ping? 14:51:06 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 14:51:12 -!- DrForr [~jgoff@li165-209.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:52:18 victor_lowther [~victor.lo@2602:306:3686:ec50:3dee:c59f:d0d3:d8fc] has joined #lisp 14:52:37 Alatien [~Alatien@83.36.191.184] has joined #lisp 14:56:25 Ralt [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 14:57:47 samrat [~samrat@49.244.63.255] has joined #lisp 15:00:38 I'm stupid because there is a way to know in advance the size of the vector, it really depends on "maxed" 15:00:57 simple maths really 15:01:16 calebopeko [~calebopek@ip-88-153-139-127.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 15:01:31 for j below maxed by 30, for i=j below maxed by 30 15:04:53 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:05:25 brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:05:57 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.214.172.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:06:41 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.12.200] has left #lisp 15:07:04 -!- francisl [~anonymous@bas6-montreal45-2925067190.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: francisl] 15:07:31 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - 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When thinking more lispy, the green seems more readable though. I'm confused. 16:52:16 i find the green more easily readable 16:53:15 -!- linse [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1177917310.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 16:54:55 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 16:56:09 Raptum: alright, that confirms what I thought :) 16:56:32 -!- liweinan [~liweinan@222.130.232.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56:45 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@80-95-93-182.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #lisp 16:56:45 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@80-95-93-182.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [Changing host] 16:56:45 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 16:58:28 -!- LiamH [~none@96.231.227.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:58:42 Ralt: I'd rewrite that as (round total (1+ (/ my-salary her-salary))). 16:59:45 kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 16:59:47 tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:00:37 -!- PCChris [~PCChris@dhcp-199-74-100-93.res-hall.northwestern.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03:03 Bike [~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:03:50 bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has joined #lisp 17:03:57 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:04:01 -!- bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:04:15 bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has joined #lisp 17:04:20 -!- bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:04:32 bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has joined #lisp 17:04:38 -!- bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:05:00 bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has joined #lisp 17:05:07 sellout [~Adium@98.245.92.119] has joined #lisp 17:05:08 -!- bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:05:23 bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has joined #lisp 17:05:23 -!- bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has quit [Client Quit] 17:05:50 pkhuong: I'm not sure I know why :p 17:06:42 bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has joined #lisp 17:06:48 -!- bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:08:45 morphling [~stefan@77.0.33.50] has joined #lisp 17:08:58 Ralt: HS algebra. move the multiplication by total out of the fraction, notice that you're dividing (/ her-salary my-salary) by (+ 1 (/ her-salary my-salary)), simplify the common term, and use ROUND's optional argument. Bonus: a more useful secondary return value than rounding a fraction. 17:09:28 pkhuong: heh... haven't done math since some years, thanks :) 17:09:57 -!- engblom` is now known as engblom 17:09:57 -!- engblom [~user@86-60-152-181-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has quit [Changing host] 17:09:57 engblom [~user@unaffiliated/engblom] has joined #lisp 17:13:34 LiamH [~none@96.231.227.13] has joined #lisp 17:13:58 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 17:14:37 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@unaffiliated/Buglouse] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:16:55 [6502] [4e0cf39d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.12.243.157] has joined #lisp 17:17:11 pnpu1f [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 17:18:09 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 17:19:10 <[6502]> Hello. Can someone tell me if Lisp IDEs give the ability to evaluate arbitrary expressions (and not just already existing locals) during debugging? I find it hard to implement because the compiler context is gone (e.g. local macros)... 17:24:13 Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 17:30:10 -!- Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:30:36 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 17:30:47 Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has joined #lisp 17:33:01 -!- leo2007 [~leo@182.48.109.8] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.90.1] 17:33:39 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.247.90.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:41:08 Whitesqu_ [~notwhites@94.242.168.99] has joined #lisp 17:41:56 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:42:13 -!- Whitesquall [~notwhites@94.242.168.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:42:28 ssss [~nazia@182.186.90.78] has joined #lisp 17:44:06 ikki [~ikki@189.247.90.129] has joined #lisp 17:44:22 -!- ssss [~nazia@182.186.90.78] has quit [Client Quit] 17:48:03 -!- Whitesqu_ [~notwhites@94.242.168.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:50:46 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.32.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:52:13 -!- Alatien [~Alatien@83.36.191.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:52:40 -!- ngz [~user@118.97.199.77.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:55:14 bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 17:57:41 [6502]: [6502] maybe a set of total recursive functions gives you those ability. 17:58:28 [6502]: why is the compiler context gone? 17:58:43 [6502]: try (declaim (optimize (debug 3))). 17:59:28 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.247.90.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:01:17 bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has joined #lisp 18:01:26 -!- bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:02:07 matija` [~user@188-230-150-66.dynamic.t-2.net] has joined #lisp 18:02:18 bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has joined #lisp 18:02:26 -!- Guest93831 is now known as rahul 18:02:26 jrajav [~jrajav@66-188-176-243.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 18:02:27 -!- bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:02:41 bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has joined #lisp 18:02:45 -!- bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:02:55 -!- rahul is now known as Guest11571 18:02:58 bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has joined #lisp 18:02:58 -!- bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has quit [Client Quit] 18:02:58 -!- Guest11571 is now known as ragnul 18:03:02 Why is Xach never lurking here anymore? 18:03:26 -!- mr_vile [~carnage@9ch.in] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:03:34 -!- ThomasH [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/thomash] has left #lisp 18:03:40 ThomasH [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/thomash] has joined #lisp 18:03:52 Killed wrong window 18:04:15 ThomasH: He's over in #quicklisp 18:04:32 <[6502]> pjb: I'm downloading LW personal to check if local macros (e.g. symbol-macrolet or macrolet) are available while using the debugger 18:04:45 LiamH: Thanks LiamH. Have you taken advantage of the new features in lisp-unit? 18:05:08 ThomasH: No, I saw that you were doing something but didn't pay attention to what it was. 18:05:27 dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:06:37 LiamH: Okay. I've finally cleaned up the internals so that there are better reporting facilities. I also added the ability to have documentation strings for define-test and to tag tests so that you can run test subsets based on the tags. 18:06:48 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:07:19 LiamH: None of the changes affect the unit tests in GSLL, I use GSLL as a test case for changes to ensure backwards compatibility. 18:08:54 Oooh, nice. I'd like the ability to run particular subsets of tests, that would help with debugging. 18:09:21 ghu43f [~vijay@192.5.110.4] has joined #lisp 18:11:18 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-72-66-104-130.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:11:34 LiamH: Everything is documented in the Wiki on github. 18:12:03 LiamH: The next version, 0.9.3, will store the comprehensive test results and enable better interogation of those results. 18:12:05 -!- rgc [~user@183.Red-79-156-162.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:12:19 LiamH: I have that branch done, just doing some checking before merging into master. 18:12:22 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:12:22 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@80-95-93-182.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #lisp 18:12:22 -!- attila_lendvai1 is now known as attila_lendvai 18:12:22 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@80-95-93-182.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [Changing host] 18:12:22 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 18:12:38 OK, sounds good. Unfortunately I won't be able to dig into it for a while, so maybe everything will be merged by then. 18:12:47 LiamH: Understood. 18:13:34 LiamH: I also have a major revision branch of my linear algebra library that I'll probably merge into master before the end of the year, if you're still interested. I think I'll have time to work on it over the Christmas break. 18:13:58 OK, let me know. 18:14:28 LiamH: I've been squeezing in some lisp programming to maintain my sanity. 18:20:40 -!- LiamH [~none@96.231.227.13] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:23:16 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-128-9.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:25:19 AeroNotix [~xeno@aqt7.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 18:25:45 I am having some trouble using M-. to look up definitions. M-. takes me there but puts the definition in the last line of my buffer. Any suggestions? 18:29:16 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:30:20 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.171] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:30:21 Daisy [~Daisy@109.58.242.207.bredband.tre.se] has joined #lisp 18:30:36 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.171] has joined #lisp 18:31:09 Alatien [~Alatien@79.156.36.70] has joined #lisp 18:31:19 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-155-46.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:34:37 kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-11.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:36:51 Does not happen all the time so I am not sure what is going on. 18:36:57 <[6502]> Seems that LW doesn't allow evaluation of arbitrary expressions while debugging... 18:37:39 _d3f [~freedo@46.183.216.234] has joined #lisp 18:39:21 [6502]: Not sure exactly what you are trying to do, but my experience is that the LW debugger gives me an REPL that can interrogate the system. 18:40:15 spiderweb [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #lisp 18:40:33 <[6502]> ThomasH: I've set a breakpoint and a window named Stepper 1 for CAPI execution listener popped out... there I can see local variables but I don't see how to enter an expression... 18:41:15 <[6502]> ThomasH: Doh... it was the other tam 18:41:18 <[6502]> tam=tab 18:41:48 kofno_ [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-11.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:41:49 [6502]: Okay, that's what I thought, but I was trying to check it for myself before answering. 18:42:13 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.32.82] has joined #lisp 18:43:04 -!- kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-11.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:43:07 sigjuice: what does it mean puts the definition in the last line of your buffer? 18:44:59 -!- Alatien [~Alatien@79.156.36.70] has quit [Quit: Alatien] 18:46:13 is it just me, or does something about clojure's syntax make it a bit less 'enlightening'? 18:46:29 than CL, i mean 18:46:54 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 18:47:04 Raptum: we're cl users here 18:49:18 <[6502]> ThomasH: thanks... it worked. But local macros are not available while entering expressions at the repl 18:50:48 <[6502]> Raptum: I've found a few departures from CL syntax totally nonsensical (e.g. equivalence of commas to spaces) 18:51:05 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 18:51:18 [6502]: yes, but it's not required, so that one i can overlook 18:51:24 Alatien [~Alatien@79.156.36.70] has joined #lisp 18:51:48 [6502]: Not sure how to do that. Did you try pjb's recommendation for (debug 3)? Also, don't forget to fully specify the namespace for the symbol of interest, I forget that sometimes. 18:51:53 the usage of [], {}, and #{} are what get at me, when looking at code as a whole anyways 18:58:59 <[6502]> Raptum: Yes... I find clojure code hard on the eyes too. I never found problematic that parenthesis around say parameters of a function have a different meaning and are not a form 18:59:34 it's all about proper indentation with parentheses, IMO 18:59:58 <[6502]> Raptum: they are annoying when writing e.g. a syntax highlighter... but not for me when reading code 19:00:22 yep 19:00:33 <[6502]> ThomasH: I tried and didn't make a difference... i'll try again later 19:01:45 <[6502]> l8r... out for dinner 19:01:57 -!- [6502] [4e0cf39d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.12.243.157] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:02:11 [6502]: Okay, I don't use the debugger to that extent. It seems like it should be possible, though. 19:03:16 -!- Joreji [~thomas@93-186.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:03:23 Joreji [~thomas@93-186.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 19:05:06 Buglouse [~Buglouse@unaffiliated/Buglouse] has joined #lisp 19:05:54 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:06:56 tcr: If I want to jump to a defun, M-. takes me there, but sometimes the line "(defun ..." is positioned in the last line of the buffer. I have to hit C-l to actually see the body of the defun. 19:07:16 -!- engblom [~user@unaffiliated/engblom] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:08:31 -!- spiderweb [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:10:21 cdidd [~cdidd@128-69-186-214.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 19:10:31 spiderweb [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #lisp 19:12:02 -!- tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:12:43 sigjuice: then write an advice on slime-edit-definition to do C-1 C-l in addition. 19:13:36 -!- biscarch [~chris@ip-64-134-238-131.public.wayport.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:15:11 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.180.215] has left #lisp 19:17:01 -!- spiderweb [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:19:11 pjb: thanks. I will give it a try. 19:19:35 z0a [~zainamro@c-67-182-61-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:19:43 -!- z0a [~zainamro@c-67-182-61-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:21:24 nso95 [46ea6100@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.234.97.0] has joined #lisp 19:22:24 -!- ghu43f [~vijay@192.5.110.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:23:00 garjola [~yaaic@165.202.68.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 19:23:42 k0001 [~k0001@host78.200-117-32.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 19:24:10 -!- nso95 [46ea6100@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.234.97.0] has left #lisp 19:24:55 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-72-66-104-130.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:28:44 k0001_ [~k0001@host6.190-138-106.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 19:30:18 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host78.200-117-32.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:35:19 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@128-69-186-214.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:38:12 engblom [~user@86-60-152-181-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has joined #lisp 19:38:12 -!- engblom [~user@86-60-152-181-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has quit [Changing host] 19:38:12 engblom [~user@unaffiliated/engblom] has joined #lisp 19:38:49 lufu [~user@5.254.129.178] has joined #lisp 19:41:07 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:44:37 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@2602:306:3686:ec50:3dee:c59f:d0d3:d8fc] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:44:40 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:44:45 -!- Joreji [~thomas@93-186.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:45:26 Joreji [~thomas@93-186.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 19:45:42 mmaul [~user@174.109.84.82] has joined #lisp 19:46:58 Joreji_ [~thomas@93-186.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 19:47:29 -!- bind [~bind@D4B2749A.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:52:59 -!- bananagram [~bananagra@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:55:24 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-20-105.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:55:38 -!- dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:56:22 -!- kofno_ [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-11.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58:47 ghu43f [~vijay@192.5.110.4] has joined #lisp 19:58:53 -!- mmaul [~user@174.109.84.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:59:36 mmaul [~user@174.109.84.82] has joined #lisp 20:01:54 PuercoPo` [~user@190.41.173.174] has joined #lisp 20:01:59 pjb: I get a swank error when I try this. This is what my advice function looks like. (defadvice slime-edit-definition (after slime-line1 activate) (message "Line 1")) 20:02:24 Kenjin [~josesanto@2.81.200.72] has joined #lisp 20:02:33 It would be strange to get a swank error there. 20:02:52 cdidd [~cdidd@95-26-114-236.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 20:03:30 kiuma [~kiuma@2.230.138.74] has joined #lisp 20:04:14 Forty-3 [~seana11@72.66.104.130] has joined #lisp 20:04:18 -!- mmaul [~user@174.109.84.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:06:00 I am baffled myself. I see this in the stack trace (EVAL (FIND-DEFINITIONS-FOR-EMACS NIL)). 20:08:09 Here it works well. 20:08:45 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:09:10 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:11:50 biscarch [~chris@ip-64-134-239-62.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 20:15:22 -!- samrat [~samrat@49.244.63.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:22:32 AeroNoti1 [~xeno@aatm149.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:22:34 -!- AeroNoti1 [~xeno@aatm149.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 20:22:52 AeroNoti1 [~xeno@aatm149.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:25:19 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@aqt7.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:32:15 mritz [~textual@70.112.1.179] has joined #lisp 20:32:40 francogrex [~user@109.130.12.200] has joined #lisp 20:32:47 kmels [~kmels@93.132.249.178] has joined #lisp 20:33:07 hey, is there a need to free the foreign-pointer in this ? http://paste.lisp.org/display/134026 20:34:29 brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:35:50 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@72.66.104.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:35:54 francogrex: if that window thing doesn't free it, then yes. Depends on how much memory you have :-) 20:36:28 francogrex: that thing returns nonsense, btw 20:36:46 yes that's the thing prxq 20:36:50 victor_lowther [~victor.lo@2602:306:3686:ec50:68fd:8874:251b:bea5] has joined #lisp 20:37:04 it will return a list of nils if I free it after the loop 20:38:02 pjb: works fine on my Linux system but not on my OS X system. I don't know where to even begin looking to get to the bottom of this. 20:38:32 sigjuice: compare the versions of emacs and slime? 20:39:16 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:43:34 Emacs is the same; 24.2.1. OS X slime 2012-11-23. Linux slime 2012-09-04. 20:44:59 Well, it's strange. slime-edit-definition is an emacs lisp function there's no reason to get a swank error when putting an emacs lisp advice on it. 20:46:34 the advice probably causes slime to send some junk to swank 20:48:02 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-72-66-104-130.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:50:32 -!- pnpu1f [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:51:44 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 20:51:56 bananagram [~bananagra@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:52:10 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 20:52:57 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 20:53:44 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d010feb.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:53:56 Is there a way I can tell quicklisp to downgrade slime? 20:54:09 -!- Alatien [~Alatien@79.156.36.70] has quit [Quit: Alatien] 20:54:46 but the scope is local (with let*) so I don't expect them to live in memory beyond the let* scope 20:55:05 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d010feb.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 20:55:43 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 20:56:40 mmaul [~user@cpe-174-109-084-082.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:57:44 linse [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1177917310.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 20:57:56 prxq: but the scope is local (with let*) so I don't expect them to live in memory beyond the let* scope 20:58:11 myx [~myx@pppoe-196-222-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 20:58:42 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2.230.138.74] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:59:12 stlifey [~stlifey@183.46.15.248] has joined #lisp 20:59:21 francogrex: and what will free the memory if you don't take provisions? 20:59:36 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@183.46.15.248] has quit [Client Quit] 21:01:35 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 21:04:55 the ... lisp grabage ... collector? 21:05:27 (gc :full t) 21:09:59 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:11:07 -!- mmaul [~user@cpe-174-109-084-082.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:11:28 [6502] [4e0cf39d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.12.243.157] has joined #lisp 21:12:36 snearch [~snearch@g225168052.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 21:13:18 francogrex: note that it is allocated by malloc. 21:13:44 I know, was just kidding 21:13:57 -!- linse [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1177917310.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 21:14:05 dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:14:18 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@unaffiliated/Buglouse] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:16:24 -!- fe[nl]ix [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:33 fe[nl]ix [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 21:16:36 k0001 [~k0001@host27.186-109-111.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 21:16:49 pjb: I downloaded my quicklisp dist on OS X so I have the same older version of slime. The defadvice no longer kills swank. What was your version of slime? 21:17:07 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-155-46.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:18:14 s,downloaded,downgraded, 21:18:45 Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 21:19:02 -!- snearch [~snearch@g225168052.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:19:08 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:19:58 -!- k0001_ [~k0001@host6.190-138-106.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:20:12 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.80.134] has joined #lisp 21:20:13 sigjuice: slime-20120909-cvs/ from quicklisp too. 21:20:28 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Client Quit] 21:21:25 it's just annoying me that I want to return the collection of the loop of course before freeing 21:22:18 prog1 21:22:35 Or even unwind-protect. 21:23:00 Actually, CFFI already provides a couple of macros that expand to unwind-protect to allocate and free temporary memory. 21:23:17 linse [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1177917310.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 21:24:11 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-155-46.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:24:34 -!- biscarch [~chris@ip-64-134-239-62.public.wayport.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:28:49 -!- AeroNoti1 [~xeno@aatm149.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 21:29:09 AeroNotix [~xeno@aatm149.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 21:30:22 with-foreign-pointer ... 21:32:36 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-155-46.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33:14 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.89.71] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:34:54 -!- Ralt [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:36:11 <[6502]> pjb: actually seems that both LW and SBCL cannot access local functions from the debugger... they both can see local variables, but local functions are not available 21:36:39 rgc [~user@83.39.110.77] has joined #lisp 21:36:56 tcr [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:37:00 Buglouse [~Buglouse@unaffiliated/Buglouse] has joined #lisp 21:37:41 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:38:42 [6502]: somebody should write an implementation with a better debugger. 21:40:11 that would let you call local functions, like the debugger of clisp 21:40:12 <[6502]> pjb: no need to be sarcastic with me... i'm writing a debugger and found that providing the local context is difficult because that information is discarded once the compilation terminates. So I simply wanted to check out what real lisp systems do... 21:40:56 how would you access local function? in sbcl with L in clisp with :w.. 21:41:31 by the way, the lisp debugger has undergone a signgificant improevemt since version 55 21:41:35 sbcl 21:41:48 [6502]: you're trying out the wrong implementations. clisp has the best debugger, because it works on interpreted code, without losing information with a compilation. 21:42:11 Why do you think I advise newbies to use clisp? 21:43:16 francogrex: http://paste.lisp.org/+2VEZ 21:44:41 <[6502]> pjb: indeed clisp works fine :-) ... (labels ((square (x) (* x x))) (let ((x 20)) (incf x (square x)) y)) ; once the debugger kicks in because of unbound Y you can evaluate (square 9) without problems 21:45:50 gua [gua@hilla.kapsi.fi] has joined #lisp 21:46:20 <[6502]> pjb: and even works if square is defined using macrolet! 21:47:40 zophy [~sy@24.111.9.10] has joined #lisp 21:48:12 rjmt___ [~uid1@46-65-55-86.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 21:48:15 <[6502]> pjb: but, as I suspected, it doesn't work if you compile that code into a function 21:53:37 -!- gua is now known as guaqua 21:53:50 yep, only in clisp 21:54:36 -!- rjmt___ [~uid1@46-65-55-86.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:54:51 BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has joined #lisp 21:55:18 onlu in the clisp interpreter. 21:55:44 Not in the clisp compiler. Indeed, the clisp compiler leaves it even less debuggable than other implementations. 21:55:46 s0ber_ [~s0ber@114-25-197-172.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 21:56:24 -!- gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 21:56:43 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-155-46.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:57:25 then it should be that when SBCL is function only as an interpreter (mode) it would be more debuggable but I don't think it is 21:57:49 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-248-171.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:58:03 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 21:59:15 <[6502]> local functions shouldn't be hard to support... it's just a naming problem (assuming the local function hasn't been optimized away). what I think is really hard are macros or symbol-macros 21:59:32 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.116] has joined #lisp 22:00:39 <[6502]> o even reader macros 22:00:55 -!- segv- [~mb@dslb-088-075-138-192.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: segv-] 22:01:01 reader macros aren't lexical, are they 22:01:06 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:01:27 biscarch [~chris@108-83-17-79.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:01:44 <[6502]> Bike: no... but they can be local so it would be hard to provide the same reader configuration when the debugger kicks in 22:02:39 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 22:02:43 that doesn't seem like it would be a concern, practically speaking, to me 22:05:01 andares_ [~andares@c-66-235-60-236.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 22:05:16 <[6502]> Bike: i agree... and actually I don't like using debuggers too much. removing bugs later IMO is harder than trying to not allowing them to enter 22:05:25 ehu` [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 22:07:16 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:07:18 -!- andares [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:08:45 <[6502]> Bike: writing a debugger however I noticed that it's easy to provide low-level access, but high-level access is harder because the code has been transformed in unknown ways (user defined macros) 22:09:23 *francogrex* still cannot fathom what SBCL's LDB does 22:09:24 <[6502]> Bike: In a sense it's a problem similar to C++ debuggers that are much easier to use if they understand the standard library for containers... but not many do 22:09:25 c.f. sbcl's sometimes incomprehensible source forms in error messages? 22:11:21 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.12.200] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:12:09 g3n3r0 [~g3n3r0@108.41.191.134] has joined #lisp 22:12:45 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-170-52.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:12:46 <[6502]> btw LW crashed badly on me a few times even when not doing anything specifically tricky. 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23:26:01 I am learning lisp and had a question 23:26:11 k0001_ [~k0001@host216.186-109-183.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 23:27:00 would the list in lisp ( a b c (a) ) be equal to ['a','b','c', ['a'] ] in pythin 23:27:23 -!- ehu` [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:27:48 in the first the elements are symbols, rather than strings. but they're both lists of four elements, where the first three elements are atoms and the fourth is a list of one atom, if that's what you mean. 23:29:06 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host27.186-109-111.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:29:33 shifty [~user@114-198-33-177.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 23:29:47 thanks 23:39:28 -!- ghu43f [~vijay@192.5.110.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:40:46 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 23:41:48 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:42:08 -!- aoh [~aki@adsl-99-115.netplaza.fi] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:45:55 aoh [~aki@adsl-99-115.netplaza.fi] has joined #lisp 23:48:09 mmaul [~user@174.109.84.82] has joined #lisp 23:50:58 -!- rgc [~user@83.39.110.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:52:11 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 23:52:50 senj [~senj@70.74.172.70] has joined #lisp 23:53:35 fisxoj_ [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:55:30 -!- calebopeko [~calebopek@ip-88-153-139-127.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:55:49 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:57:54 -!- andares [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:58:19 andares [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has joined #lisp 23:59:49 -!- ubii_ [~ubii@184.21.196.19] has quit [Quit: Leaving]