00:00:22 -!- kmels [~kmels@p5B13FBC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:00:46 check the manual, it lays out some of the declarations and such that affect that? 00:01:18 -!- antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:02:42 hmm, rereading the assembly I guess it is doing a tail-call, but it's still looking up the function object despite it being a recursive call 00:03:14 yena [~yena@cpe-72-177-30-155.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:03:39 why isn't it hardcoding the JMP? 00:04:15 -!- springz [~springz@118-163-74-175.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:04:56 could be lots of reasons. without more information, I could suggest pumping up the optimize declarations, I guess 00:05:15 *jasom* will just rewrite as a loop for now 00:11:34 jasom, because you're using DEBUG 3 or SPEED 0 ? 00:11:45 Fare: debug 0 safety 0 speed 3 00:12:01 jasom: should eliminate tail calls, then 00:12:08 is it a tail call? 00:12:12 It did elminate tail call, I reread the assembly 00:12:28 it just is looking up the function, which is odd since it's a self-recursive call 00:12:36 do you have with- forms? handlers? dynamic bindings? unwind-protect? 00:12:49 declaim inline? 00:13:04 functions are not guaranteed not to change 00:13:24 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:13:45 kmels [~kmels@p5B13FBC6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 00:13:52 i think the compiler is allowed to assume that a recursive call refers to the same definition? 00:14:14 Why would a self-recursive call not be a hardcoded JMP? I had declaim inline, but the compiler didn't like that. No with- handler dynamic bindings or unwind-protect 00:14:45 paste, maybe? 00:15:32 http://paste.lisp.org/+2UYK 00:16:07 -!- hilbert [~Hilbert@adsl-89-217-68-82.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 00:16:42 Oh, if it's notinline of course it can't just jump. 00:16:53 Bike, allowed but not compelled 00:16:57 Right. 00:17:16 I know it's not compelled to hard-code the JMP, that didn't make me not curious as to why it didn't 00:17:59 yep, I removed the notinline, and it's straight tail recursive. 00:18:09 if a function is notinline the compiler isn't allowed to assume that it's the same function. 00:19:00 hilbert [~Hilbert@adsl-89-217-68-82.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 00:20:31 got it. I think I had that inthere since I had a (declaim inline) on it and (an older version of) sbcl barfed 00:21:00 jasom: it was inlining a previous version of the function? 00:21:14 when I disassemble, it's jmp'ing, not call'ing. 00:21:48 like I said, the tail call is eliminated. 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01:57:47 -!- joekarma [~joekarma@S0106602ad090cd68.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: joekarma] 01:59:36 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:01:39 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 02:01:41 AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@76.78.168.65] has joined #lisp 02:01:53 -!- AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@76.78.168.65] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02:33 AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@76.78.153.175] has joined #lisp 02:04:24 leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has joined #lisp 02:05:19 paul0` [~user@200.146.124.98.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 02:06:53 reactormonk: if the data set is large, then I would recommend with-output-to-string 02:06:57 brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:08:01 hm, actually, I'd recommend that if it's small, too. 02:08:15 -!- paul0 [~user@200.146.124.98.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:09:27 -!- ace4016 [~ace4016@cpe-024-074-197-085.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: When there's nothing left to burn you have to set yourself on fire.] 02:10:19 -!- CampinSam [~user@24-176-103-21.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:12:35 user123abc [~sally@c-67-171-79-251.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:13:45 kpreid, then use which function to print a string? 02:13:52 ... format 02:13:56 ace4016 [~ace4016@cpe-024-074-197-085.ec.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:14:11 the same as usual, just pass it the appropriate stream. 02:14:17 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 02:14:29 format, yes, or princ for just adding a string 02:16:00 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-127-114.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:17:11 http://pastie.org/private/yzfqstzsmpfm0nmiqr98a gives me cl-parse-loop-clause: Expected a loop keyword, found (princ line) 02:17:54 oh, a 'do' missing 02:18:33 that's not quite how w-o-t-s works 02:19:05 what's wots? 02:19:12 with-output-to-string. 02:19:23 hmm 02:19:48 what's a better way? (and how do I add a "\n" to each princ?) 02:19:51 (with-output-to-string (s) (princ 109 s)) => "109" 02:20:04 Oh I just meant you got the syntax wrong, not that you shouldn't use it. 02:20:17 or (with-output-to-string (*standard-output*) (princ 100)) 02:20:37 kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-78-21.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 02:21:20 and you can use (terpri stream) for newlines. or write a newline character. 02:21:24 -!- paul0` [~user@200.146.124.98.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has left #lisp 02:23:31 I concated a newline char to the string... 02:23:49 probably a bit slow. 02:24:04 but looks nicer :-) 02:24:24 the LaTeX at the receiving end is slower anyway 02:25:19 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 02:28:25 -!- spiderweb [~spiderweb@174-28-180-177.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:34:59 -!- Demosthenex [~Demosthen@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:35:38 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 02:36:38 Demosthenex [~Demosthen@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 02:48:22 -!- Demosthenex [~Demosthen@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:49:53 Demosthenex [~Demosthen@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 02:51:34 -!- bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:54:27 -!- Demosthenex [~Demosthen@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:55:45 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 02:56:07 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 02:56:10 Demosthenex [~Demosthen@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 02:59:53 hjsteffens [~hjsteffen@cpe-74-77-188-126.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:02:30 -!- benny [~user@87.122.123.0] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:08:19 -!- sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has quit [] 03:14:57 -!- hjsteffens [~hjsteffen@cpe-74-77-188-126.buffalo.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 03:16:09 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:19:32 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 03:21:00 spiderweb [~spiderweb@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #lisp 03:22:38 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-108-81-169-220.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:24:41 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 03:26:53 -!- Fare [~fare@FLH1Acq098.kyt.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:30:56 -!- PuercoPop [~user@190.41.173.174] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:31:25 PuercoPop [~user@190.41.173.174] has joined #lisp 03:32:26 teggi [~teggi@113.172.62.161] has joined #lisp 03:34:36 Fare [~fare@FLH1Acq098.kyt.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #lisp 03:34:36 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-194-188.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:36:14 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 03:40:15 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-108-81-169-220.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:40:49 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 03:42:36 Vicfred [~Grothendi@189.143.129.7] has joined #lisp 03:47:36 -!- Fare [~fare@FLH1Acq098.kyt.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:04:09 Things it would have been nice to know: cl-dot compares objects using EQL. Don't try to graph things that must be compared with EQUAL.... 04:04:27 you can't specify a test? 04:04:44 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-245.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:10:02 Bike: Nope. 04:10:14 Easy to fix, but it would have been nice had it been in the manual... 04:12:57 Another thing that would be nice: if the dot process exits with non-zero status, raise a lisp error, instead of returning said status as an integer.... 04:19:21 NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has joined #lisp 04:21:09 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:22:11 All 978 symbols defined in the ANSI Common Lisp standard visualised with different colours for each letter: http://composed.nu/peterhil/code/common-lisp-symbols.html 04:23:00 chunky. 04:23:21 404 04:24:38 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:24:46 -!- NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 04:28:30 cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #lisp 04:30:22 -!- Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:30:24 Oops, sorry. Now it's there... 04:32:20 rpg: one could argue it's just following the lead of the CL spec in defaulting to EQL 04:32:39 kpreid: defaulting is fine. Not letting me override this to EQUAL is bad.... 04:32:45 agreed 04:33:05 I have a fix. I can pass it on.... 04:34:39 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:35:45 don't mind me; just tired... 04:38:20 I made that symbol list because I wanted to represent compactly all the symbols that Common Lisp has. Maybe you can use it as a poster when printed on two A4's... 04:38:21 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:38:25 kpreid: the issue is that one doesn't have any way of knowing that if one asks to draw a graph made up of dynamically generated s-expressions, the system will loop forever, since it doesn't recognize EQUAL entities to be visited. 04:39:56 In the previous slide I'm representing the syntax (function parameter second-parameter third-parameter), couple of examples and quoting. 04:46:36 Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.13.56.188] has joined #lisp 04:50:54 -!- Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.13.56.188] has quit [Client Quit] 04:54:43 -!- balle [~basti@pulsar.inf.ethz.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:55:09 balle [~basti@pulsar.inf.ethz.ch] has joined #lisp 04:58:32 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 04:58:59 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Quit: rpg] 04:59:26 fisxoj 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have an issue with package nicknames colliding, can I selectively suppress nicknames in my .asd file somehow? 10:02:12 Specifically I'm trying to :depend-on both bordeaux-threads and binary-types, and they both want :bt 10:04:34 -!- ferada [~ferada@dslb-094-219-064-073.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:05:00 Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has joined #lisp 10:06:46 bitonic [~user@dyn901-125.eduroam.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 10:08:27 cornihilio [~user@p6fd90806.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 10:11:01 kaw: You can use rename-package in your .asd but I don't know if it's a good way to do it. 10:11:24 e.g. (rename-package :binary-types :binary-types) 10:12:31 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn901-125.eduroam.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:15:34 -!- Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:15:35 i think the renaming should be done from an :after method on the load of the one system that should loose the nickname 10:16:09 Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has joined #lisp 10:16:13 package (nick)names are really painful. 10:16:26 -!- Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:16:42 Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has joined #lisp 10:16:42 -!- Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:18:30 Hm, okay, thanks, I'll see if I can figure that out 10:18:53 -!- hilbert [~Hilbert@7-111-204-62-static.cable.fcom.ch] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:19:05 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:19:56 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 10:19:59 -!- DrPete [~DrPete@unaffiliated/drpete] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:23:14 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 10:26:08 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-215-120-158.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:26:08 Aha, got it to work, thanks 10:27:43 bitonic [~user@dyn901-163.eduroam.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 10:28:03 mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has joined #lisp 10:29:19 kaw: how? 10:29:38 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-24-21-251-38.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:31:39 The way you said, I prepended (defsystem perform :after ((op load-op) (c (eql (find-system :bordeaux-threads)))) (rename-package :bordeaux-threads :bordeaux-threads)) to my .asd 10:31:43 Yuuhi [benni@p5483918A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:32:04 I just hadn't used those methods before so it took a moment to figure out how they worked 10:32:27 bitonic` [~user@laptop175.dynip.doc.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 10:32:55 kaw: cool. thanks for sharing 10:33:08 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn901-163.eduroam.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:46:37 ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has joined #lisp 10:48:03 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 10:52:48 ugh ... weirdo question here ... 10:53:26 anyone recall on HN an article about "exploration based programming"; where you had like weirdo fancy pancy gui for manipulating a javascript with bars and shit? 10:54:18 ams: http://vimeo.com/36579366 ? 10:54:32 YES! 10:55:43 hilbert [~Hilbert@adsl-89-217-68-82.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 10:56:26 daimrod: thanks! :-) 10:57:42 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:58:29 ferada [~ferada@dslb-188-097-135-006.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 11:06:20 -!- bitonic` [~user@laptop175.dynip.doc.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:08:18 is there a slime function to do M-t with lisp forms instead of words ? 11:09:05 galdor: C-M-t 11:09:34 nice, thank you 11:11:38 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 11:14:53 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-215-120-158.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:30:40 c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-ggoolnbhmcpskitv] has joined #lisp 11:30:58 teggi_ 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kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 12:15:26 If I want to make a standalone executable with sbcl, how should it be done? Should I have a function called (main) ? 12:15:31 -!- linse [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178025755.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 12:17:12 mrcarrot: have you tried buildapp? 12:18:04 linse [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178025755.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 12:18:07 mrcarrot: the direct interface is to use sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die. buildapp adds a layer of convenience to it. 12:18:33 jdz: No, I am totally new to lisp. I am at the moment trying to grab some basics about the utils before I am digging into the language. 12:19:18 Xach: How do I tell it where it should begin? Should I have a function called main before I do sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die? 12:19:30 mrcarrot: creating standalone executables is not in the list of basics of what lisp programmers do 12:19:38 hilbert [~Hilbert@adsl-89-217-68-82.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 12:19:45 ezakimak [~nick@ns1.nickleippe.com] has joined #lisp 12:22:13 Okay, I found from this page that the toplevel function can called anything: http://www.xach.com/lisp/buildapp/ 12:22:24 Xach: Is this your site? 12:23:16 mrcarrot: shhhh, it's supposed to be a secret 12:23:19 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn901-163.eduroam.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:23:47 mrcarrot: yes 12:24:13 Nice! 12:24:16 -!- ezakimak [~nick@ns1.nickleippe.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:24:16 mrcarrot: the function can be called whatever. you specify it with --entry. it should take one argument, the list of command-line arguments. 12:24:40 ezakimak [~nick@ns1.nickleippe.com] has joined #lisp 12:24:41 I usually make a special function just for that. 12:24:55 It is the same for sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die, that I can call the entry function anything? 12:25:32 -!- linse [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178025755.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 12:26:14 mrcarrot: yes. 12:27:57 jdz: It might be that it is not among the top first things a lisp programmer begins with, but I am in another situation. I am considering to first (as fast as possible) learn some lisp, then teach a group of compulsory pupils lisp programming. I bet they will once they have learned a bit of programming to share some of the programs with other. At the moment I am just checking up how easy the tools are. 12:28:30 If you share your program, you can not expect everybody to have a full lisp environment installed... 12:28:57 mrcarrot: sharing [huge!] binaries somehow does not strike me as something kids should do 12:29:09 mrcarrot: That sounds really awful to me. 12:29:55 Okay, why is it awful? 12:30:45 It takes time to learn Lisp, and learning it fast and then teaching other people what little you know sounds like a recipe for incompetence and misunderstanding. 12:31:10 bitonic [~user@dyn901-163.eduroam.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 12:31:37 Okay, I agree that it might sound really bad. 12:32:30 -!- SHUPFS [~hercules@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has left #lisp 12:32:43 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:32:54 -!- ecraven [~user@www.nexoid.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:33:25 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-184-83.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:34:14 I have experience in programming several other languages including i386-asm, haskell, java, delphi, c etc... So I still think there is some chance I can pick up enough to teach a little subset of a language. I have no chance to teach them anything more than a small beginning to programming. 12:35:06 With this background I do not think it is an impossible project, but a big challenge. 12:35:34 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-215-120-158.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:36:01 -!- hilbert [~Hilbert@adsl-89-217-68-82.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 12:36:32 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-215-120-158.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:38:58 phrixos [U2FsdGVkX1@unaffiliated/phrixos] has joined #lisp 12:39:56 mm... dumping core was common back in the day ... 12:40:02 you saved everything by dumping your world image 12:40:38 gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 12:42:57 mrcarrot: Good luck. 12:43:39 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:44:14 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:46:22 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 12:47:16 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 12:47:35 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:48:26 -!- Vicfred [~Grothendi@189.143.129.7] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:48:45 RJ3000_ [~uid1@109.231.228.146] has joined #lisp 12:49:26 ivan-kan` [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has joined #lisp 12:50:05 I fell sorry for having to ask this much in the beginning instead of reading the documentation... but I went installing sbcl + emacs + slime. Now when I have a function written, and I press C-c C-z I end up where I should be able to test. I have this function: (defun hello () (format t "Hello World")) 12:50:26 When I try to run, I get this: ; caught STYLE-WARNING: 12:50:28 ; undefined function: HELLO 12:50:50 mrcarrot: why C-c C-z? 12:51:27 jdz: It is saying so in PCL. 12:51:42 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:51:48 mrcarrot: does it say to press something else before C-c C-z 12:51:50 ? 12:51:52 mrcarrot: did you write the function into the repl? or is it in a file? 12:51:59 At least it is saying that should switch over to the interactive buffer. 12:52:05 It is in the file. 12:52:08 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:52:29 mrcarrot: you have to evaluate the function definition first. I do that with C-c C-c when the cursor is on the function definition. there are other ways, too. 12:54:39 Xach: Thanks! 12:55:01 Xach: Will it also compile functions the function under the cursor depends on? 12:55:08 mrcarrot: no. 12:55:22 You can load a whole file of definitions with C-c C-l 12:55:30 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-bvugebkrhilrxmun] has joined #lisp 12:55:31 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-bvugebkrhilrxmun] has quit [Changing host] 12:55:31 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 12:55:34 Thanks! 12:55:39 -!- cornihilio [~user@p6fd90806.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:56:02 hilbert [~Hilbert@adsl-89-217-68-82.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 12:57:06 Perfect! It works really well now! 12:57:06 cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.22.68] has joined #lisp 12:57:24 haroldwu [~haroldwu@118-170-204-100.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 12:59:41 Actually I apparently went a bit in advance. What you told, came later in the chapter :) 13:00:30 -!- ivan-kan` [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:01:05 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn901-163.eduroam.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:02:20 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-211-48.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 13:03:39 bitonic [~user@dyn901-163.eduroam.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 13:04:11 ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has joined #lisp 13:04:34 loke [~elias@bb115-66-85-121.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 13:05:12 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:08:02 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has quit [Quit: rebooten sorta...] 13:13:24 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@gray-56.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has joined #lisp 13:13:24 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@gray-56.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has quit [Changing host] 13:13:24 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has joined #lisp 13:15:39 Is there a simpler way to convert a vector of bytes to a string than first coercing to a list, mapping each element with code-char and then concatentating? I feel like I am missing sommething basic. 13:17:46 sb-ext:octets-to-string or babel:octets-to-string 13:18:20 easye: (map 'string 'code-char vector) is something i've done in a pinch sometimes when i don't care about the encoding or know a lot about it for sure 13:18:44 make a string and use map-into 13:20:08 xach: that looks good. I forget abo MAP as posed to MAPCAR 13:20:36 NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has joined #lisp 13:20:39 -!- spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has left #lisp 13:20:49 -!- NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has left #lisp 13:21:13 hlavaty: the question is more about my understanding of the basic CL dictionary then finding a library, but thanks. 13:21:48 *easye* goes to check the spec on MAP and friends. 13:22:15 answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has joined #lisp 13:23:50 spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has joined #lisp 13:24:01 -!- hiro3 [~hiro@p210079202073.cnh.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:25:59 Ok. Thanks for the help. 13:30:32 Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.26.226.171] has joined #lisp 13:30:38 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 13:31:30 -!- Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.26.226.171] has quit [Client Quit] 13:32:25 dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-60-84.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:33:21 -!- haroldwu [~haroldwu@118-170-204-100.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: ] 13:34:50 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:35:28 linusp [linusp@222.20.104.61] has joined #lisp 13:39:28 user123abc [~sally@c-67-171-79-251.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:42:28 -!- linusp [linusp@222.20.104.61] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:42:42 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 13:42:48 faust45 [~faust45@89.22.254.177] has joined #lisp 13:42:51 -!- [SLB] is now known as [SLB]` 13:46:07 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:46:31 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 13:52:39 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How do I tab complete from the *inferior-lisp* buffer? 15:57:29 why not use slime and slime-repl-mode or whatnot? 15:57:34 mrcarrot: are you using SLIME? 15:57:44 Yep. I installed it. 15:57:59 hilbert [~Hilbert@adsl-89-217-68-82.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 15:58:08 don't use the inferior-lisp buffer, use the SLIME repl 15:58:19 M-x slime should start your lisp and bring up a repl .. not sure why you'd use the inferior-lisp directly other than for looking at output that's been dumped there 15:58:33 or ldb i guess heh 15:58:36 I recommend using 'slime-fancy in slime-setup, this way you get most standard stuff 15:58:40 Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has joined #lisp 15:58:55 oGMo: some time ago slime-repl stopped being loaded by default 15:59:01 markskilbeck [~chris@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 15:59:05 p_l: can you paste somewhere the relevant parts from .emacs so I get it right set up? 15:59:16 What I have I directly copied from the manual. 15:59:45 p_l: oh, must be a feature setting or something then 16:00:40 mrcarrot: at the line in your config where you do (slime-setup), change that to (slime-setup 'slime-fancy) 16:00:57 I copy-pasted just what was here: http://common-lisp.net/project/slime/doc/html/Installation.html 16:01:03 Was the rest of it OK? 16:02:17 yes. Though I recommend using SLIME from quicklisp (it also has a procedure to configure) 16:02:35 I used the cvs... 16:02:51 But if you tell me how to use it from quicklisp, I will take it that way. 16:02:53 mrcarrot: ah, it should work 16:03:36 mrcarrot: I was just worried you loaded the "release" version which slumbers in ELPA, which is useless for anything other than clojure (because the swank protocol changed in meanwhile) 16:05:37 How do I reload .emacs without having to restart emacs? 16:06:21 mrcarrot: M-x load-file or M-x eval-buffer if it's your current buffer, but this is #lisp not #emacs. 16:07:00 mrcarrot: put the point (cursor) at the end of the slime-setup line, hit C-x C-e (iirc) 16:07:13 cornihilio [~user@p6fd90806.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 16:08:53 -!- Gurragchaa` is now known as Gurragchaa 16:09:01 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 16:09:08 -!- Gurragchaa [u6439@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lgyanwbpuzcolxhw] has quit [Changing host] 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Happy that there's room for improvement but sad that the effort required to make it happen is probably too much for it to happen any time soon. 20:11:07 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl6-93-168.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 20:12:31 bitonic [~user@5e0f8472.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 20:13:43 sysop_fb [~fb@108-66-160-34.lightspeed.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:14:54 -!- hiteki [~user@120.29.100.84.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:15:12 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-230-70.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:15:43 -!- kmels [~kmels@p5B13FBC6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 20:15:44 how do I set which variable is the return value of my (loop)? 20:16:00 hiteki [~user@120.29.100.84.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 20:16:08 oh, wait, 'return' is correct, my code isn't 20:16:27 kmels [~kmels@p5B13FBC6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:16:38 reactormonk: rubber ducky method of debugging? :) 20:17:01 s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-225-113.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 20:18:02 tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:21:46 piko [~piko@ip4-83-240-108-205.cust.nbox.cz] has joined #lisp 20:21:46 -!- howeyc [~howeyc@199.229.255.169] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:27:56 -!- bitonic [~user@5e0f8472.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:28:04 -!- kmels [~kmels@p5B13FBC6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:31:59 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7569cf.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:32:06 Joreji [~thomas@67-163.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 20:33:25 -!- `fogus [~fogus@burke-matrex.d-a-s.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:34:11 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl6-93-168.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 20:35:31 bitonic [~user@5e0f8472.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 20:36:36 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-68-174-154-238.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:38:02 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@37-4-120-89-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: humhum] 20:41:30 -!- cabaire [~nobody@p5DCD397B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:44:16 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m90-130-54-12.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: Garbage Collectors! Noooo!] 20:47:37 p_l, rubber duck? 20:48:06 reactormonk: the method where you tell a rubber duck about your symptoms 20:48:16 reactormonk: Also known as a "cardboard consultant". 20:48:17 and insights come to you (: 20:48:20 reactormonk: put "rubber ducky" (or whatever floats your boat) and tell it what you're doing, trying to explain it to someone else 20:48:28 then you can notice stuff you missed 20:48:35 sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has joined #lisp 20:49:59 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:50:34 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 20:54:28 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:56:52 -!- bitonic [~user@5e0f8472.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:57:20 :-) 21:01:06 bitonic [~user@5e0f8472.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 21:01:54 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:02:25 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] 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22:15:44 paul0 [~user@200.146.124.98.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 22:15:59 -!- ferada [~ferada@dslb-094-219-064-073.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:16:27 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:17:48 eataix [~eataix@unaffiliated/eataix] has joined #lisp 22:17:50 -!- rootlocus [~rootlocus@101.119.14.64] has quit [Quit: rootlocus] 22:21:18 -!- psykoTRO` [~user@2607:f298:2:120::69c:4502] has left #lisp 22:21:46 -!- bitonic [~user@5e0f8472.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:23:43 Just finished reading what instantly became my favorite "Lisp Hackers" interview so far: http://lisp-univ-etc.blogspot.com/2012/10/lisp-hackers-francois-rene-fare-rideau.html 22:23:56 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 22:25:06 paul0` [~user@200.146.124.98.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 22:25:31 pavelpenev: it is good, yeah 22:25:52 think the whole lisp interview thingie is really fun 22:26:02 -!- paul0 [~user@200.146.124.98.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:26:38 -!- hilbert [~Hilbert@adsl-89-217-68-82.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 22:26:55 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:58 I always enjoy reading the non-sugar coated stories behind real world lisp use. 22:26:59 hilbert [~Hilbert@adsl-89-217-68-82.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 22:27:55 nod 22:28:13 mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has joined #lisp 22:30:19 pavelpenev: check the talk by luke .. it is fun 22:30:53 ams: link? 22:31:27 _main_ [~main@adsl-99-173-15-158.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:32:23 bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 22:32:38 uhm, somewhere on lisp-univ-etc.blogspot.com ... sorry, no link right now.. 22:33:20 I was not all that thrilled by Slava's interview 22:33:30 -!- DrPete [~DrPete@unaffiliated/drpete] has 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what I found interesting in the former interview was that until just now I've had the belief that lisps social issues had little connection to its technical design. Usually the opinions I've read about the old lisp companies failures was that they failed not because of lisp technical drawbacks but because of bad management. In fact I've seen ITA given as an example that it is possible to manage a large lisp team 22:49:52 successfully. Maybe there is actually more to the argument that lisp encourages lack of cooperation, which I and many others have opposed vigorously. Something interesting to think about and look into in more depth. 22:50:01 cornihilio [~user@p6fd90806.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 22:50:24 cdidd [~cdidd@95-25-104-113.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 22:50:52 hey, could someone help me understand what this error in slime is?: https://gist.github.com/3955957 I'm trying to follow this tutorial: http://www.adampetersen.se/articles/lispweb.htm 22:52:10 it isn't an error; says right so there. 22:52:32 cornihilio: many-lost-hours wasn't already defined, so it went ahead and did it for you. and yeah it's just a warning. Better would be (defvar *many-lost-hours*) (setf *many-lost-hours* ...) probably, though. 22:53:15 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 22:53:49 ... i hate empty value defvar's ... 22:54:02 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 22:54:10 (defvar *many-lost-hours* (make-instance ...)), then 22:54:16 thank you :-) 22:58:33 linse [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178025755.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 23:00:30 -!- ynniv [~ynniv@173-15-212-110-BusName-Atlanta.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ynniv] 23:03:04 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:08:20 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:10:07 justinmc_ [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-107-153.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 23:10:51 -!- Joreji [~thomas@67-163.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:13:19 gridaphobe [~user@128.54.46.18] has joined #lisp 23:13:24 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-107-153.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:14:37 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:16:40 -!- Houl [~Parmi@unaffiliated/houl] has quit [Quit: weil das Wetter so schön ist] 23:17:56 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:17:58 Jubb [~ghost@pool-71-163-107-32.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:23:30 -!- hilbert [~Hilbert@adsl-89-217-68-82.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 23:23:31 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@musicbrainz/user/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:24:22 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@ip72-200-124-178.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 23:24:22 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@ip72-200-124-178.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:24:22 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@musicbrainz/user/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 23:26:47 ynniv [~ynniv@z69-94-206-168.ips.direcpath.com] has joined #lisp 23:27:02 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:28:54 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 23:30:39 Sorella_ [~quildreen@189-12-73-182.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #lisp 23:32:07 cornihilio: have you actually been helped? 23:33:11 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 23:34:14 -!- Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:34:48 cornihilio: in case of no other information: you have warnings in lisp. a warning means you may be doing something you didn't intend, but it's not necessarily something that will not execute correctly. examples are unused variables in functions, or defining a macro /after/ using it (though not the literal message you'll get). in the case of setf, it means that you haven't created a place for many-lost-hours to live in. 23:34:48 want to use a parameter (which normally have earmuffs around them). so it becomes (defparameter *many-lost-hours* (make-instance 'game :game "Tetris")). 23:35:07 cornihilio: also, you may be interested in #lispweb 23:35:32 "no other information"? 23:35:46 madnificent: they answered him almost immediately. 23:36:15 sorry Bike 23:36:35 *madnificent* scrolled over it 23:37:06 oh. 23:37:36 madnificent: you must make up for your mistake 23:37:41 madnificent: by writing a new lisp library 23:37:43 gogogo 23:38:07 sykopomp: is it ok if i just upgrade a library sufficiently? 23:38:15 no 23:38:19 owh :( 23:38:26 ok then, i'll release one in a month or so 23:38:27 it must be a new one, for something that isn't already well supported. 23:38:38 I actually have ideas for simple ones that would be tremendously useful to just have. 23:38:51 sykopomp: that's vague! i have an in-memory document store which i could publish in the near future. 23:38:56 one pitch: a filthy-simple password hashing library 23:39:14 -!- lavois [~quassel@cpe-075-189-234-187.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:39:25 like postgres' pgcrypto module, or http://www.mindrot.org/projects/py-bcrypt/ 23:39:53 something that takes care of creating salts, storing the salt and the number of hashing iterations, and so on. 23:39:57 sykopomp: i'll release something of the likes in pure lisp if/when i need password hashing once again. 23:40:15 lame 23:40:37 I guess I don't really need it because postgres already does it :( 23:42:09 sykopomp: you made an error in your smiley 23:44:05 whatever man 23:44:15 why can't compound function types be used for discrimination? 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