00:00:46 no. look up readtable-case. 00:02:13 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:02:44 -!- xpoqz [~xpoqz@203.80-203-124.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:06:19 -!- redscare [~user@18.205.1.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:06:51 jmbr [~jmbr@cpe-66-25-145-163.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:07:13 -!- jmbr [~jmbr@cpe-66-25-145-163.austin.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 00:09:20 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.107] has joined #lisp 00:10:12 -!- agumonkey [~agu@183.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:10:27 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:22:09 -!- rvirding [u5943@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iifqtqckeoxuazot] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 00:24:55 -!- sbenitezb [~sbenitezb@186.136.23.25] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:30:57 redscare [~user@18.205.1.228] has joined #lisp 00:31:55 -!- redscare [~user@18.205.1.228] has left #lisp 00:35:24 mcmrphy [~mcmrphy@109.227.53.241] has joined #lisp 00:39:19 Hello. Is there anything usable for autogenerating CL C bindings? 00:40:11 cffi-grovel, I think it's called 00:41:13 I tried it. i was think more like "here's a C header, auto generate everything" 00:42:07 mcmrphy: I don't know, but someone asked a similar question a day or two ago and SWIG was suggested 00:42:45 I'll try it thanks 00:44:47 Sgeo [~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 00:44:55 -!- kmb [~kmb@cpe-72-227-136-13.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: kmb] 00:45:17 I wish there was a channel for discussion of Lisp-family languages 00:45:47 I constructed an example of where Clojure macros behave in a more hygienic way than Lisp macros. Are there examples of the opposite, where Common Lisp macros behave more hygienically? 00:45:55 Common Lisp: http://ideone.com/jpMzYT 00:46:00 Clojure: http://ideone.com/48IlsM 00:48:24 How's that work in Clojure? 00:48:56 The Clojure reader doesn't automatically give symbols a namespace (equivalent to a CL package I think) 00:49:09 But ` does stick namespaces on the symbols inside 00:49:56 So if you were to write the macro as (list 'f '~x), it would work as in CL? 00:50:00 So the macro emits something like (user/f 10) and the letfn just does f 00:50:18 Erm, just (list 'f x) I think, but yes 00:50:46 I'd say that's more the backquote than the macros, then... 00:51:02 I don't think you're going to find much hygeine in CL though. 00:51:52 It's combination backquote and the way symbols work 00:53:30 *p_l* so far didn't see any convincing reason to go for hygiene - pretty sure there are some, but can't recall any 00:53:37 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-43-11.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:55:10 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-13-65.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 00:56:05 yes, in real world f and f-macro would be in one pakage, and the user doing (flet ((f ... will work in his own package 00:56:21 Although I like the hygiene, it does make porting Common Lisp macros to Clojure a bit tricky 00:57:21 There's a port of cl-cont, but it requires the equivalent of using all the symbols directly 00:57:44 *Sgeo* intends to fix that eventually 00:57:52 (The port isn't mine, but I want to fix it) 00:58:13 Sego: you'd better port something from Clojure to CL :)) 00:58:14 What kind of problems do you run into? 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[Condition of type TYPE-ERROR] Why is it not a list? 02:49:04 drl: it seems to be a string. 02:49:08 -!- tiglog [~topeak@61.149.224.134] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 02:49:35 tiglog [~topeak@61.149.224.134] has joined #lisp 02:51:04 -!- tiglog [~topeak@61.149.224.134] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 02:51:31 tiglog [~topeak@61.149.224.134] has joined #lisp 02:53:33 huh, using the cmucl VALUES declaration in sbcl causes a compiler error (instead of "that's not a declaration" notice) 02:54:19 leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has joined #lisp 02:58:53 oh, no, it works in defun and lambda...and let*... just not let. 03:01:38 pkhuong: Thanks. I see the quotation marks around it. I'll have to figure out how its getting converted to a string. My simple little program is getting to complex now. 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But I'm still curious as to what it's all about :_) 07:04:38 Also, how's it going stassats? 07:05:24 «(lambda (x y &aux (a (car x)) (b 2) c) (list x y a b c)) == (lambda (x y) (let* ((a (car x)) (b 2) c) (list x y a b c)))», it's basically a shortcut for let* and that's it 07:06:45 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 07:07:50 tfb [~tfb@a1.norwich.yourspac.nsdsl.net] has joined #lisp 07:08:00 Ah, I see. 07:08:23 So they're just bindings that you can utilize in the function definition but that aren't; directly provided by the user. 07:08:25 Gotcha. 07:08:25 :) 07:08:30 thanks Bike. 07:08:35 -!- drl [~drl@110.139.229.172] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 07:10:20 hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 07:10:20 -!- hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 07:10:20 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 07:12:05 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:16:20 Do you guys ever have a little trouble understanding the specification? I find it's writing kind of hard to digest at times. 07:16:23 Does it get easier? 07:16:27 I figure it does in time? 07:16:38 it's usually very clear to me. 07:16:54 sometimes it's a bit hard to find what I'm looking for, I suppose. 07:18:00 It maybe because I'm reading too fast :) 07:18:10 Cymew [~user@fw01d.snowmen.se] has joined #lisp 07:18:12 I wish I could change the font JUST for the hyperspec. 07:18:19 I could define a stylesheet, I guess. 07:18:57 syamajala [~syamajala@dyn-160-39-150-33.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 07:19:27 Aha. 07:19:30 Got to the part about Aux. 07:19:33 You're exactly right, Bike. 07:19:35 Thanks :) 07:20:02 Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 07:20:16 you need to be able to recite passages from CLHS in your sleep 07:20:44 hahahahaah 07:20:48 It might help. 07:21:00 "Whenever any initform is evaluated for any parameter specifier, that form may refer to any parameter variable to the left of the specifier in which the initform appears, ...." 07:21:10 This is after the &aux stuff is explained. 07:21:21 Does it mean only those after &aux? 07:21:29 Or for all, as it says? Or all only after aux? 07:21:44 for all 07:22:09 crazy 07:22:10 or as it says, for "any" 07:22:36 what is? 07:22:57 That it works for all :D Crazy as in cool. 07:25:11 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:28:06 elderk: I did find reading the clhs to get easier over time, both because it's written in a consistent style that you will learn to exploit, and because it's easier to understand a section when you already understand the concepts used to describe it. 07:29:01 punee [~punee@213-245-106-105.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 07:29:19 SHUPFS [~hercules@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 07:29:31 Yay. 07:29:40 sawgij [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has joined #lisp 07:29:49 :) Anyone know of any freely available Lisp books that have exercises in them to do? 07:31:46 elderK: I haven't seen very many Lisp books with exercises, free or not... What about getting a different book's language and finding exercises in those? 07:31:54 Yeah. 07:31:57 Good idea. 07:32:01 Doing the little schemer in CL :D 07:32:03 Or something. 07:32:08 different language's book* 07:32:08 Or, of course, just start a proper little project. 07:32:25 just write programs, forget about exercises 07:32:28 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 07:32:33 I've been experimenting with ECL. I need to access the Win32 API and... well... writing a binding for even the basic stuff, for that, is kind of agony. 07:33:07 Well, not agony. Finding what types some parameters really are, that's the agony. 07:33:25 like, HWND. 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Still interesting to do. 08:31:06 It did used to be called "The Little LISPer" 08:31:07 But ayer. 08:31:10 thanks for the links, Pascal. 08:31:11 :) 08:31:15 they look like quite a lot of fun. 08:31:29 what about project euler? 08:31:29 I think it's going to take me a reasonable amount of time to do them all, if I get through them all! 08:31:37 if you really don't want to write programs 08:32:08 -!- elderK [~k@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:32:30 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:32:36 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:33:19 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 08:34:53 fiveop [~fiveop@p5DC11CCA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 08:39:14 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl6-93-168.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 08:40:13 Sgeo: there's #lisp-lab 08:40:26 elkng: it was still a little lisp-1-er. 08:41:11 There's also SPOJ, they accept lisp programs: http://www.spoj.pl/ 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Yes, i can survive in case unatched parentheses 12:41:01 *unmatched 12:41:10 -!- cornihilio [~user@p6fd90806.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:41:25 cornihilio [~user@p6fd90806.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 12:44:39 -!- xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.202] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:45:52 xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.202] has joined #lisp 12:48:27 huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has joined #lisp 12:49:35 why doesn't (ql:quickload "quickproject") work for me? I get an error saying "Package QL does not exist." but when I try (quicklisp-quickstart:install) from --load ing quicklisp.lisp, I get an error saying it's already installed. 12:49:49 I know I screwed up something basic, but if anyone could help I would really appreciate it. Thank you! 12:49:53 you haven't loaded it 12:50:03 stassats: I'm sorry, what does that mean? 12:50:15 it means that you haven't loaded quicklisp 12:50:23 cornihilio: after the initial installation, you load it into the system the next time by doing (load "~/quicklisp/setup.lisp") 12:50:29 -!- Joreji [~thomas@67-235.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:50:35 cornihilio: I put that into my start scripts usually. 12:50:58 but I installed quicklisp once and I don't remember having to do that, when I started slime ql would already be there. Did I skip a step or screw something else up? 12:51:21 leo2007 [~leo@182.48.109.8] has joined #lisp 12:51:22 yes, you did skip a step where it tries to write loading into the rc file 12:51:24 cornihilio: During a normal installation it suggests using (ql:add-to-init-file) to add it to your init file. 12:51:34 cornihilio: if you don't do that, it won't be loaded when you start up again. 12:51:53 You can always use (load "~/quicklisp/setup.lisp") and (ql:add-to-init-file) to add it 12:52:42 *stassats* starts suddenly to wonder why init files end with "rc" 12:53:16 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:53:53 -!- mal__ [mal@ks24170.kimsufi.com] has quit [Quit: Hey! Where'd my controlling terminal go?] 12:53:55 apparently, it's for run commands 12:54:27 It's working now, thank you very much for your help. 12:55:29 yay! 12:55:30 now i know how to make lisp better, rename all the rc files into ~/.sbcl-init 12:55:51 one fewer onion in the world 12:56:49 i guess it's too late to add this to that reddit thread, oh well 12:56:54 mal_ [mal@ks24170.kimsufi.com] has joined #lisp 12:59:41 peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has joined #lisp 13:01:10 never too late 13:01:51 bitonic [~user@146.169.25.118] has joined #lisp 13:02:06 why is it that in my .asd generated by quickproject I don't have to add #:cl to the :depends-on portion? 13:02:38 because, that would be rather strange 13:02:52 why? 13:03:20 because it doesn't make sense 13:03:43 i guess you are confusing :depends-on and :use for defpackage 13:03:51 they are totally orthogonal 13:04:27 NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has joined #lisp 13:04:42 minion: packages? 13:04:43 packages: http://weitz.de/packages.html http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/programming-in-the-large-packages-and-symbols.html http://flownet.com/ron/packages.pdf 13:04:49 see the first link 13:05:00 -!- NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has quit [Client Quit] 13:05:19 and http://weitz.de/packages.html 13:05:32 daimrod: yes, reading it twice might be good 13:05:39 -!- xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.202] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:05:40 uh, right 13:05:57 mjs2600 [~mjs2600@24.106.194.14] has joined #lisp 13:06:28 another lisp betterment recipe: rename packages to parcels 13:06:53 xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.202] has joined #lisp 13:07:57 ecraven [~user@www.nexoid.at] has joined #lisp 13:09:08 so if I am using asdf:defsystem, how would I export a symbol/function name? 13:09:31 asdf doesn't have anything to do with packages 13:09:41 let alone exporting 13:10:09 so export only makes sense in terms of packages, and asdf works with systems not packages 13:10:14 Artheist [~quassel@195.68.4.98] has joined #lisp 13:10:36 right 13:11:22 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 13:12:03 -!- mjs2600 [~mjs2600@24.106.194.14] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:12:14 -!- kilon [~user@178.59.17.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:13:16 -!- jjkola_work [~jjkola@fw-hki.ixonos.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:14:09 -!- sellout42 [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:16:46 gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 13:16:54 -!- bitonic [~user@146.169.25.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:17:32 agumonkey [~agu@183.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 13:19:49 -!- user123abc [~sally@c-67-171-79-251.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:21:49 kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 13:22:45 jjkola_work [~jjkola@fw-hki.ixonos.com] has joined #lisp 13:22:51 bitonic [~user@146.169.24.149] has joined #lisp 13:22:59 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.70.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:23:03 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 13:23:10 -!- MoALTz [~no@host86-138-31-13.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:23:16 `fogus [~fogus@burke-matrex.d-a-s.com] has joined #lisp 13:23:40 MoALTz [~no@host86-138-31-13.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 13:25:11 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-51-90.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:25:46 mjs2600 [~mjs2600@24.106.194.14] has joined #lisp 13:26:47 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:36:36 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.70.45] has joined #lisp 13:37:23 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.70.45] has quit [Client Quit] 13:41:33 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 13:41:46 urandom__ [~user@ip-88-152-193-182.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 13:42:14 NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has joined #lisp 13:42:28 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:44:15 -!- bitonic [~user@146.169.24.149] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:45:20 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:47:40 bitonic [~user@146.169.24.149] has joined #lisp 13:48:42 cpc26 [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has joined #lisp 13:49:53 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 13:52:07 -!- mjs2600 [~mjs2600@24.106.194.14] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:53:19 mjs2600 [~mjs2600@24.106.194.14] has joined #lisp 13:53:21 stassats: why start at "init"? "init" comes from "initialize" which comes from M.Fr. "initial" or directly from L. "initialis", which comes from  13:53:58 well, that was intended to end cryptic archaic names, not bring more 13:54:26 init is more cryptic and more archaic! 13:54:36 Let's just learn our history: rc is actually a fossil of an old batch facility, a runcom; the following is a quote from Brian Kernighan and Dennis Ritchie: There was a facility that would execute a bunch of commands stored in a file; it was called runcom for "run commands", and the file began to be called "a runcom". rc in Unix is a fossil from that usage. 13:54:36 13:55:14 and I meant s/start/stop/ 13:55:59 Same as "bug". We say "bug" instead of "error" for a nice historical reason. 13:57:09 no, it's not the same 13:57:37 "bug" is more cryptic and archaic than "rc". 13:57:40 and by archaic meaning obsolete 13:57:43 -!- bitonic [~user@146.169.24.149] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:58:20 bitonic [~user@146.169.24.149] has joined #lisp 13:58:25 why am i even discussing this nonsense? 13:58:26 sellout42 [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:59:13 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 14:00:07 sbenitezb [~sbenitezb@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 14:00:39 get back to qrcodes! 14:00:55 qrcodes are obsolete 14:00:58 -!- leo2007 [~leo@182.48.109.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:01:16 or archaic, if you want. 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I guess you have contributed. It's really good like I'd said, pretty neat 20:43:57 hunchentoot, some webframework and more. 20:44:11 I contributed a little bit of testing. 20:44:12 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:44:51 but I know what's going on because I'm (a little bit) part of the team doing the infrastructure behind it. 20:46:53 I don't think I was around for Symbolics Genera 20:46:59 What was it like? 20:47:06 Any freely available docs? 20:47:13 I know the LoperOS person likes it 20:47:34 there's a bunch of docs for lisp machines on bitsavers, with no particular organization 20:49:15 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: Bye.] 20:49:45 -!- oubiwann [~oubiwann@c-98-207-167-39.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:51:43 oubiwann [~oubiwann@c-98-207-167-39.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:52:03 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:52:44 -!- elkng [~elkng@unaffiliated/elkng] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:54:26 Sgeo: there's half-officially sanctioned torrent of OpenGenera 2.0 distribution CD. If you find an Alpha running Tru64 with X11, you can test it out 20:55:12 No idea what an Alpha is and no idea what Tru64 is. 20:57:00 Alpha is a dead cpu architecture, and Tru64 is a dead OS. :) 20:57:49 There isn't a half-officially sanctioned torrent of the x86-64 emulator, too? 20:58:10 *jasom* feels old for knowing what Alpha is now 20:59:33 Compaq phased out Alpha in favor of Itanium 20:59:45 jasom: I feel old when I see people idolise it. Just get a K8 ;) 20:59:48 clearly a good move for them ;) 20:59:50 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-51-90.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:00:13 -!- _d3f [~d3f@46.183.216.234] has quit [Quit: _d3f] 21:00:14 yeah, Alpha was hot stuff in the early '90s but hardware has moved on since then 21:00:17 *mal_* feels old for having used MIPS based DEC Ultrix systems 21:00:40 Alpha was the shiny new kid on the block 21:00:57 Well it wasn't MIPS which is good enough to get my endorsement 21:03:11 -!- nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-92-100.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:03:20 nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-71-160.w92-141.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 21:03:53 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-215-120-158.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:05 pkhuong: according to some rumours, K8 literally shared bits and pieces with EV7. To the point of microcode changelog having notes about removing VAX fpu emulation 21:04:24 yeah heard that too 21:04:34 a lot of the Alpha folks went to AMD 21:04:51 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:05:02 If I ever do a "brief but mostly wrong history of CPU architectures" the entry for MIPS will contain "The instruction set requires that all branches be followed by a NOP" 21:05:12 lol 21:05:17 jasom: that's pretty common 21:05:28 SPARC does the same, afaik 21:05:33 and each executable could chose whether to run bigendian or littleendian 21:05:42 back before the days of CPUs doing massive amounts of instruction scheduling, that actually made sense. 21:06:00 the branch took an extra cycle to set up compared to a normal instruction 21:06:16 so, rather than stalling for a cycle, you could provide another instruction to run in the meantime 21:06:23 foom: technically you could argue that using NOP instead of something else prevented scheduler from fscking up 21:06:31 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:06:46 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-186-149.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:08 Of course you were supposed to put another instruction there if you could. 21:07:17 as for alpha, the entry should be "you won't have exact PC values for anything not put in blocks of NOPs" 21:07:36 for exceptions, you mean 21:08:04 and yea, why would you build a precise state unwinder for exception handling? Waste of transistors. :) 21:08:27 foom: most trap types were inexact - the cpu had free reign for ordering as long as the result was good ;) 21:08:47 sorry, I meant "exception" in the sense of "trap". 21:08:58 foom: that doesn't make sense with superscalar chips, even without speculation. 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22:21:43 in what sense ? 22:22:02 e.g., (unsigned-byte 8) 22:22:12 *p_l* warns that (unsigned-byte 36) might be pretty hard to do 22:22:17 not all input is valid utf-8 22:23:29 cibs [~cibs@218.211.32.194] has joined #lisp 22:24:15 oGMo: so ? 22:25:16 so if i try and specify (unsigned-byte 8) it says "invalid character encoding", but the paramter doesn't seem to be fully documented so i'm not sure what it's expecting 22:25:29 oGMo: I doubt the joystick input data I had it handling a year or two ago was UTF-8. 22:25:46 this is to sockets:make-socket 22:26:05 *Ralith* doesn't recall the options, though 22:26:10 DrPete_ [~DrPete@unaffiliated/drpete] has joined #lisp 22:26:29 Ralith: why would you be making a socket to your joystick? o.O 22:26:47 oGMo: for that, I opened a file. 22:27:53 oGMo: :external-format can be whatever babel accepts 22:28:18 and (unsigned-byte 8) is not a valid external format 22:28:57 -!- DrPete [~DrPete@unaffiliated/drpete] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:29:02 linse [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178025755.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 22:29:05 so .. no arbitrary data? 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for instance until (eq line ' 23:28:51 until (eq line '\r) 23:28:57 something like that 23:29:10 I tried #\return , doesn't work 23:29:30 msmith1: you need proper terminal handling for that 23:29:37 or your own repl 23:29:49 this is in a loop btw reading *terminal-io* 23:29:52 (at the very least) 23:30:11 frx [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has joined #lisp 23:30:14 msmith1: if it's on unix, read some materials on terminal programming 23:30:23 it will explain it better than I can do from murky memory 23:30:25 Sorella_ [~quildreen@189-12-80-65.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #lisp 23:31:17 p_I: thanks but using sbcl's repl is kinda the point for this project 23:31:38 but I may have to rethink how I go about it 23:33:07 msmith1: yes, but the terminal handling docs will also explain properly why you can't get #\Return 23:33:29 ok 23:33:33 why would one need to mess with terminal handling instead of just using read-line ? 23:34:11 -!- Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:34:34 frx: well I've been trying to use read line, I should explain what I'm doing 23:34:36 but in great simplification - you normally operate in so-called "canonical", buffered mode, where you get only full lines passed from terminal 23:34:56 (loop for line = (read-line) do (format t "~a~%" (eval (read-from-string line)))) 23:35:20 not individual keys, and you get delimiter (other than EOF) at end of the string 23:35:44 why would you need to get individual keys? read-line blocks until enter is pressed 23:36:07 maybe I'm missing some part of the conversation 23:36:12 frx: Well, the question did involve handling of enter key, so I went down that line 23:36:53 but if just "getting a line" is enough, then you can keep to canonical mode, just check for strings empty for anything other than one of delimiters 23:36:56 (man termios) 23:38:02 frx: I haven't been able to get read-line to return when reading from *terminal-io* 23:39:51 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-51-90.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 23:40:50 (loop for line = (read-line *terminal-io* "end") until (eq line "end") do (print line)) 23:41:48 eq doesn't work like you think it does 23:41:51 try (eq "end" "end") 23:41:55 yeah 23:42:14 it doesn't print at all? but yes dont' use eq for strings 23:42:44 well, at any rate I want it to exit the loop when enter is pressed 23:42:52 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:43:13 msmith1: and *only* enter, right? 23:43:39 p_I: correct 23:43:46 until (equal line "") 23:44:22 -!- nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-71-160.w92-141.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:45:02 findiggle [~kirkwood@50-194-56-154-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 23:45:05 and (read-line *terminal-io* nil "") 23:45:27 huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has joined #lisp 23:45:34 (in case user hits C-d instead) 23:46:48 so simple. thanks guys that helped. although I'm having to press enter twice, but I'll figure that out 23:54:00 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:54:49 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp