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I'm just wondering what other peoples feeling on them are : 03:12:33 sykopomp: It's really interesting so far :) 03:12:38 well, ditto sykopomp, then 03:13:04 elderK: I see it as a great book for learning to design object-oriented applications :) 03:13:15 I'm having a little trouble following it right now as meta-circular stuff has always been a stumbling point for me. 03:13:19 Yeah! 03:13:46 I've been reading a lot on OOAD and such but I really want to see some practical stuff. I've been writing lots of programs, trying to integrate what i'm learning but I want to see other people's stuff to compare. 03:13:56 I'm learning what works and why some things don't. 03:14:06 Taking a fair bit of tiem and experimentation, though. 03:14:30 And the results of my experimentation don't really show until later - a few months later hwen I want to extend it, you know? 03:14:37 I mean, like, whether the approach I've taken works. 03:21:55 -!- homie [~homie@xdsl-78-35-160-216.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:23:36 ljosa [~ljosa@pool-96-252-83-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:24:44 -!- princesita [~princesit@190.200.20.138] has quit [Excess Flood] 03:25:05 princesita [~princesit@190.200.20.138] has joined #lisp 03:31:35 -!- elderK [~k@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:34:17 elderK [~k@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has joined #lisp 03:35:15 :_) Sorry about that guys. 03:35:23 Laptop decided it'd take a nap while I wewnt off and brewed a coffee. 03:35:35 It's a shame AMOP isn't in digital form. 03:35:44 The cover artwork is beautiful! 03:36:52 mmmm, coffee  I wish I could brew some without the smell waking my wife 03:38:22 Man, that's crazy! 03:38:50 a 03:39:16 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-147-142.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 03:44:23 wow.... check out the number of lines written in 4 years by the ten most active people on #lisp, according to the logs kept by Clozure: (("stassats" . 40572) ("Xach" . 38278) ("nyef" . 37542) ("pjb" . 36812) 03:44:23 ("sykopomp" . 27405) ("p_l" . 27385) ("beach" . 25487) ("pkhuong" . 24938) 03:44:24 ("tcr" . 22036) ("drewc" . 19171)) 03:45:13 I bet that high count is from when I accidentally dumped a good chunk of our source code into this channel. 03:45:16 or was it the launch codes 03:45:20 hehe 03:45:30 anyhow, thanks all you guys! 03:45:54 the average participant has written 166 lines in 4 years 03:46:00 higher than I expected, truthfully 03:46:25 is that average only for those that have actually spoken? 03:46:31 yes 03:46:44 we have a good number of mute bots that seem to mostly just hang out in here to bask in the glory of lisp. 03:46:47 ah good 03:46:57 https://gist.github.com/3925601 03:50:18 heh. stassats` and stassats didn't even get merged. 03:50:22 yow 03:50:54 nforgerit [~nforgerit@HSI-KBW-149-172-198-162.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 03:50:54 haha 03:51:08 this is a relatively quiet channel, for the most part, too 03:52:36 maybe I should include the character count of the average sentence as well 03:53:32 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:54:00 look at all those poor forgotten souls at the bottom of the heap... so many questions unanswered... 03:54:04 dmiles [~dmiles@c-24-21-251-38.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:54:35 msmith0957 [~Mike@c-68-80-67-43.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:55:59 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-24-21-251-38.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:59:09 -!- oubiwann [~oubiwann@c-98-207-167-39.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:01:03 -!- nforgerit [~nforgerit@HSI-KBW-149-172-198-162.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: nforgerit] 04:05:05 -!- elderK [~k@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:07:16 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-147-142.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:07:29 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 04:07:48 lines written by people who only had one thing to say to #lisp: https://gist.github.com/3925655 04:08:13 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:09:12 sort of unintentionally funny if you ask me 04:09:13 that's a lot of spam. 04:12:42 heh, upon closer reading I decided to delete the gist lest I be associated with the words contained 04:16:11 -!- ljosa [~ljosa@pool-96-252-83-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: ljosa] 04:17:24 -!- msmith0957 [~Mike@c-68-80-67-43.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has left #lisp 04:17:50 -!- iLogical_ [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:18:02 princesita1 [~princesit@190.200.20.138] has joined #lisp 04:18:25 -!- princesita [~princesit@190.200.20.138] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:23:55 Daditos [~kvirc@unaffiliated/daditos] has joined #lisp 04:25:01 -!- Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:26:30 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 04:27:34 joekarma: ... hoooly shit, I'm that high in "activity"? 04:28:28 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:28:48 they're surprisingly high numbers, aren't they? 04:29:15 yes, even more when you merge known cases of multiple nicks 04:31:04 I think I'll merge the obvious dups then graph the result 04:31:09 There 1460 days in 4 years. That's only a couple dozen lines a day. 04:32:30 dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has joined #lisp 04:41:35 hello from ILC :) 04:41:42 -!- lacedaemon is now known as fe[nl]ix 04:44:39 -!- princesita1 [~princesit@190.200.20.138] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:53:19 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-160-216.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:56:34 leoncamel [~user@124.126.218.104] has joined #lisp 05:12:03 elderK [~k@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has joined #lisp 05:12:16 It's off-topic, but... in alexandria, the %multiply-range function (used for factorials and so on) mentions "For even better results it should be possible to use prime factorization magic". anyone know how that would work? 05:13:09 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:13:34 -!- oconnore [~eric@38.111.17.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:13:41 oconnore [~eric@38.111.17.138] has joined #lisp 05:14:55 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 05:14:57 Oh, nevermind, found a resource. 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But of course, installing the jvm on them would involve installing the dependencies. Easier to run a statically compiled program on those distributions. 06:03:57 ths pjb, I thought that I would have used micro core linux (maybe greater than 2 Mega bytes), however it might be better to start from scratch. 06:13:01 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 06:13:40 TCL it's good indeed and I like it, but it's excessive for my purposes. 06:15:13 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-215-120-158.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:17:29 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 06:19:32 how is WJ still doing this? I just checked c.l.l. again after 6+ months and he's still there? 06:20:10 are people even responding to him? 06:23:46 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 06:23:46 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 06:23:46 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 06:30:52 the filter I wish Google had built... http://i.imgur.com/Zj3BL.png 06:36:03 rmathews [~roshan@117.193.194.208] has joined #lisp 06:39:58 -!- rmathews [~roshan@117.193.194.208] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:40:39 rmathews [~roshan@117.193.194.208] has joined #lisp 06:41:51 -!- rmathews [~roshan@117.193.194.208] has left #lisp 06:41:58 rmathews [~roshan@117.193.194.208] has joined #lisp 06:56:16 _nix00 [~Adium@101.228.125.147] has joined #lisp 06:57:51 even if busybox would seem to me a quick solution. 07:00:51 -!- Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.13.4.36] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:01:22 fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-226-3.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined 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[~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:32:41 NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has joined #lisp 10:41:07 H4ns: Thanks for the interesting article, but it does not really seem to answer my question. I'd like to put the declaim directive into my sbcl init file because I want to have debug information on by default. Is that a good approach? 10:41:30 I also don't know how to query the settings 10:45:49 chimay [~chimay@unaffiliated/chimay] has joined #lisp 10:46:18 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:47:18 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 10:48:21 -!- NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has left #lisp 10:48:22 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 10:49:13 sepisult1um: (sb-ext:describe-compiler-policy) 10:49:36 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:49:40 sepisult1um: (sb-ext:restrict-compiler-policy 'debug 2) in .sbclrc is a great idea 10:49:46 daimrod: no 10:51:39 stassats: Is there a way to do it without touching my .sbclrc? 10:51:55 yes, just don't touch it 10:57:08 pnpuff: yes, busybox, or linux-from-scratch http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ 10:57:45 urandom__ [~user@p548A1826.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:58:15 stassats: ah, awesome, thats what I was looking for I think! Thank you both stassats and H4ns. 10:59:14 am0c [~am0c@119.193.22.32] has joined #lisp 11:00:11 sepisult1um: that's what I do, putting the declaim optimize in my rc file. 11:00:21 Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 11:00:30 Otherwise, at the REPL (and even in the rc file), it only affects new compilations! 11:00:45 But in sbcl, it also means all load and evaluations, since it compiles everything by default. 11:01:32 daimrod: Actually, since this is a conforming form, I put it in common.lisp which I load from the various CL rc files. So I'd not touch ~/.sbclrc 11:01:35 declaim can be overriden, restrict-compiler-policy cannot 11:03:02 I wouldn't use restrict-compiler-policy because some libraries don't work when compiled with a different optimization than what they specify. Would restrict-compiler-policy apply to local (declare (optimize )) ? 11:03:15 yes 11:03:19 So there. 11:03:34 what libraries don't work with debug 2? 11:03:44 I'm writing a webapp based on hunchentoot. In order to configure ht, I have a configure function that I eval at the repl after having loaded my asdf system. I then run start, which creates the ht acceptor and thus starts the server. I would like to automate the configuration. Should I just place the call in an (eval-when :load-toplevel...? 11:03:46 or 3 11:04:18 stassats: I don't remember. I've seen one once, that failed when compiled with a different level, perhaps it was for speed or space. 11:04:46 Of course, it is bad. Perhaps it has been changed since. We'd have to check about the libraries that change the optimizations. 11:04:47 well, safety is understandable, others, only as bugs in sbcl 11:05:28 sepisult1um: that's not necessary. (eval-when (:load-toplevel :execute) ) is the default. 11:05:42 Just call your configure function at the beginning of your source file. 11:05:59 But I would rather write a function to call the configure and start the server. 11:06:05 why don't you run the configuration function when you start the server? 11:06:11 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:06:20 stassats: yes, more probably it was safety. 11:06:30 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl10-232-143.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 11:08:05 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-215-120-158.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:09:58 pjb: Well, because I work with global state :/. I just push into an nonempty configuration list from hunchentoot. So you would just suggest to reset the state when stopping the server and reconfiguring each time? 11:11:58 mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 11:12:20 ok pjb! :-) 11:16:19 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl10-232-143.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 11:28:43 -!- c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 271 seconds] 11:29:48 -!- am0c [~am0c@119.193.22.32] has quit [Quit: am0c] 11:30:40 huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has joined #lisp 11:31:48 drl [~drl@110.139.229.172] has joined #lisp 11:38:11 tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has joined #lisp 11:40:52 leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has joined #lisp 11:41:57 -!- user123abc [~sally@c-67-171-79-251.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:44:14 -!- leoncamel [~user@124.126.218.104] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:45:29 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:45:35 sepisult1um: well, it doesn't matter much. Just do what's practical for you here. It's more a question of "exploitation" of your server than of programming style. 11:46:38 sepisult1um: what I just would do is to ensure separation of the exploitation scripts (to configure and launch/stop the server) from the source files. You can add another asd file as a script to load and run a server. 11:47:22 In Makefiles, I often have both rules to compile a server, and to launch it (in various configurations, for tests). You can similarly have different asd files to compile and to run the server. 11:48:43 gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 11:50:25 -!- xpoqz [~xpoqz@80.203.124.203] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:50:52 mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has joined #lisp 11:51:10 -!- trebor_home [~email@dslb-178-004-067-070.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:51:15 xpoqz [~xpoqz@203.80-203-124.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 11:53:48 pjb: ok, that's what I've been doing already more or less stringently 11:56:02 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:57:44 -!- xpoqz [~xpoqz@203.80-203-124.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:58:04 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 11:59:37 lolprog [~let@94-225-44-126.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 12:01:57 eldariof [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 12:02:18 -!- eldariof [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Client Quit] 12:03:19 eldariof [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 12:03:23 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl10-232-143.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 12:03:36 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl10-232-143.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Client Quit] 12:06:22 *Xach* must catch up with stassats 12:06:55 -!- eldariof [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Client Quit] 12:08:08 WannaLisp [~AndChat25@77.38.251.175] has joined #lisp 12:09:53 uh oh? 12:11:01 eldariof [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 12:11:09 -!- eldariof [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:15:57 I'm happy not being first. :-) 12:16:59 eldariof [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 12:18:19 Eldariof40-ru [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 12:18:56 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-237-082.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:19:25 -!- Eldariof40-ru [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:19:30 hilbert [~Hilbert@adsl-89-217-242-147.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 12:19:33 -!- eldariof [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:22:06 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 12:24:59 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 12:26:26 -!- tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has quit [Quit: sleeping] 12:26:37 Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has joined #lisp 12:28:31 Eldariof40-ru [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 12:28:34 -!- mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:28:49 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl10-232-143.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 12:29:08 -!- Eldariof40-ru [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:29:12 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl10-232-143.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Client Quit] 12:29:18 Eldariof40-ru [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 12:29:28 -!- Eldariof40-ru [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:30:02 Eldariof40-ru [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 12:30:11 -!- Eldariof40-ru [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:30:40 mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 12:32:48 eldariof [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 12:35:18 -!- eldariof [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:35:42 How should I launch my webservice from the shell using cl-launch and sbcl. I'd like it to block until I press ctrl-c. I'm using hunchentoot but can't find out how to use a single-threaded taskmaster or how to access the thread in order to be able to wait for it to finish. 12:36:30 why do you want to do that? 12:36:55 eldariof [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 12:37:13 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:37:15 stassats: just for knowing how I would do it :) 12:37:44 stassats: I guess using swank might be cool for a deployed system 12:37:45 you would read the docs and sources 12:37:48 that's how 12:38:08 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-215-120-158.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:38:39 stassats: I've read the docs, but it seems I can't specify the taskmaster 12:38:45 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-215-120-158.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:38:50 or at least it's not intended to be done 12:39:57 and in the source code? 12:40:34 no, the docs are enough 12:40:40 http://weitz.de/hunchentoot/#acceptor-behaviour 12:43:33 well, since you don't really need to customize anything, (hunchentoot:start (make-instance 'hunchentoot:easy-acceptor :port 4242 :taskmaster (make-instance 'hunchentoot:single-threaded-taskmaster))) 12:43:58 the docs, they are useful 12:44:44 but i have no idea why would you want it to block instead of just not starting it 12:45:18 read pause ; start-server 12:45:21 (when (y-or-n-p "Start hunchentoot") (start ...)) 12:47:03 Eldariof40-ru [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 12:48:45 mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has joined #lisp 12:48:49 -!- Eldariof40-ru [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Client Quit] 12:49:16 Eldariof40-ru [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 12:49:23 -!- Eldariof40-ru [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:49:32 Eldariof40-ru [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 12:49:53 How can I change the line length used by the pretty-printer? 12:50:00 *print-right-margin* 12:50:13 clhs *p-r-m* 12:50:14 *print-right-margin*: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/v_pr_rig.htm 12:50:29 ozzen [~ozzen@adsl-99-181-147-133.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 12:50:29 stassats: Ah, I was looking for the :taskmaster keyword argument. Couldn't find it in the docs 12:50:40 Thanks. 12:51:10 -!- Eldariof40-ru [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:51:10 -!- eldariof [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:52:00 fiveop [~fiveop@p4FCDF1A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 12:54:42 -!- naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:55:48 phax [~phax@c-67-161-5-247.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:55:49 -!- phax [~phax@c-67-161-5-247.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 12:55:50 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 12:56:12 stassats: ahh I see now. Now I just join all the threads after having started listening :) 12:56:20 eldariof [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 12:57:09 -!- eldariof [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Client Quit] 12:57:18 Does beach still post here? 12:57:44 no 12:57:52 eldariof [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 12:57:55 -!- bitonic [~user@146.169.24.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:58:02 -!- eldariof [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:58:16 I've heard he's working on something. 12:59:41 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.70.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:59:44 eldariof [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 13:01:36 -!- _d3f [~d3f@46.183.216.234] has quit [Quit: _d3f] 13:01:39 naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has joined #lisp 13:02:13 -!- eldariof [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02:18 _d3f 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(every '= '(1 2) '(1 2 3)) 14:56:55 clhs equal 14:56:55 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_equal.htm 14:57:09 not every-like, though 14:57:13 '= can be arbitrary function 14:57:58 then no, there isn't 15:00:30 -!- pavelpenev_ is now known as pavelpenev 15:00:42 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:00:44 -!- paul0 [~user@186.222.48.210] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:21 paul0 [~user@186.222.48.210] has joined #lisp 15:03:06 -!- Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.13.52.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:05:56 okay no big deal i'll just check length first 15:06:02 unrelated question 15:07:25 hiyosi [~hiyosi@138.95.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 15:08:42 if someone is using common qt, how come there are two ids for int? (qt::qtype-name 94983) (qt::qtype-name 40579) both return "int" 15:08:57 as qt 15:09:11 but, i guess that they are just from different modules 15:09:17 as in, ask qt 15:09:58 well int is a standard C++ type, so I'm not sure how this could be related to Qt instead of bindings 15:10:29 qt isn't using standard c++ 15:11:00 in this instance it is. it's just int, a standard C++ type 15:11:23 what's your point? 15:11:42 vince-: had it been simple to deal with, we wouldn't be using smoke for Qt 15:11:43 Qt does not define int 15:11:51 princesita [~princesit@190.200.20.138] has joined #lisp 15:12:01 how do you know? 15:12:09 smoke parses the C++ and builds serialized interface to it. The parser isn't ideal 15:12:17 p_l I see 15:12:48 and, i was right, they are from different modules 15:13:06 as in, qtgui, qtcore 15:13:07 -!- rmathews [~roshan@117.193.194.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:13:32 phl 15:14:47 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-215-120-158.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:17:57 p_l: i don't see any indications that it's because of smoke 15:18:52 piko_ [~piko@ip4-83-240-108-205.cust.nbox.cz] has joined #lisp 15:19:43 stassats: afaik smoke can't exactly unify same type from two different modules easily, so he got two qtypes 15:20:14 i don't really see why that would cause any problems 15:21:08 me either 15:23:18 moreover, why would one even be looking at internal data pointers 15:23:21 ferdinandsvehla [~Fullmoon@h081217030118.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 15:23:37 -!- ferdinandsvehla [~Fullmoon@h081217030118.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Client Quit] 15:23:53 fsvehla [~Fullmoon@h081217030118.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 15:24:15 DrPete_ [~DrPete@unaffiliated/drpete] has joined #lisp 15:25:13 -!- DrPete [~DrPete@unaffiliated/drpete] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:25:53 PCChris [~PCChris@dhcp-199-74-100-187.res-hall.northwestern.edu] has joined #lisp 15:26:23 -!- redscare` [~user@18.205.1.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:26:48 jewel [~jewel@105-236-120-96.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:27:59 kenanb [~user@unaffiliated/kenanb] has joined #lisp 15:28:17 nasty hack I had to resort to to capture screen in Common Qt on window .I'd fix the actual bug if I had more knowledge of Common Qt. http://paste.lisp.org/display/133139 15:29:57 -!- princesita [~princesit@190.200.20.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:32:21 rmathews [~roshan@117.193.200.183] has joined #lisp 15:33:29 vince-: like (#_QPixmap::grabWindow (#_winId (#_QApplication::desktop)) 200 200 800 600) ? 15:33:54 tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has joined #lisp 15:34:02 stassats see the first line of the paste, (#_winId (#_QApplication::desktop)) throws a condition on windows 15:34:17 well, windows, there's your problem! 15:36:04 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.94] has joined #lisp 15:37:08 clariprincess [~princesit@190.200.20.138] has joined #lisp 15:38:25 eldariof [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 15:38:52 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 15:40:26 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-064-180-133.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 15:42:12 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.100.96] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:43:35 -!- __class__ [~class@99-105-56-217.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:44:16 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:44:46 umutelif [umutelif@78.172.61.110] has joined #lisp 15:44:58 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-181-223.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: none] 15:45:09 -!- umutelif [umutelif@78.172.61.110] has left #lisp 15:45:24 vince-: how about (#_QPixmap::grabWindow :HWND__* (cffi:make-pointer 65556) 200 200 800 600) then? 15:49:06 francogrex [~user@109.130.100.96] has joined #lisp 15:49:34 -!- clariprincess [~princesit@190.200.20.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:50:16 Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.13.28.69] has joined #lisp 15:50:44 -!- Daditos [~kvirc@unaffiliated/daditos] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:51:59 I get this: No applicable method grabWindow found on 15620 with arguments (# 200 200 800 600) 15:52:57 -!- ngz [~user@250.208.67.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:53:52 vince-: can you annotate the paste with the output of (loop for method in (list-class-methods-named (find-qclass "QPixmap") "grabWindow") do (print (mapcar #'qtype-name (list-qmethod-argument-types method))))? 15:54:16 moment 15:55:21 http://paste.lisp.org/display/133139#1 15:56:06 clariprincess1 [~princesit@190.200.20.138] has joined #lisp 15:56:25 -!- c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:56:55 strange, should've worked 15:57:05 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@213.138.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 15:57:11 maybe you're using some sort of downcasing reader? 15:57:34 i am not 15:57:55 fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-226-3.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 15:57:56 try (loop for method in (list-class-methods-named (find-qclass "QPixmap") "grabWindow") do (print (mapcar #'qtype-interned-name (list-qmethod-argument-types method)))) then 15:58:02 -!- tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has quit [Quit: sleeping] 15:58:52 annotated 15:59:19 well, doesn't change anything, :HWND__* should work 15:59:25 i don't have commonqt on windows working to check 16:00:06 this is causing the error btw: (QT:FIND-QCLASS "HWND__" T) 16:00:18 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-245.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:02:19 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@213.138.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:03:24 oh, i see why it doesn't like this, it doesn't blindly trust types 16:03:51 well, at least you can use that loop for better method finding 16:04:35 -!- kenanb [~user@unaffiliated/kenanb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:04:44 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-181-223.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:06:50 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@213.138.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 16:07:03 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-185-122.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:08:14 -!- nooy [1000@h-155-65.a146.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:44 vince-: http://paste.lisp.org/display/133139#3 16:08:45 -!- _danb_ [~user@124-171-19-81.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:09:16 err, should be (find-qmethod "QPixmap" "grabWindow" ...) 16:11:47 I get an odd error 16:12:57 the suspense is killing me! 16:13:16 http://paste.lisp.org/display/133139#4 16:13:32 it won't accept address as a pointer nor as an int 16:14:07 actually i guess second error is unrelated to the address 16:15:06 oh, sorry, interpret-call is just called wrongly, add (find-qclass "QPixmap") at the beginning 16:15:54 yes it works now 16:16:12 -!- Natch [~Natch@c-eccde155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:16:13 any idea what would involve fixing the HWND__ bug 16:16:44 getting me a commonqt on windows would be a prerequisite 16:16:55 but i don't like rebooting to windows! 16:17:48 or rather, using it 16:18:27 -!- DrPete_ [~DrPete@unaffiliated/drpete] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:19:48 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@78-1-145-36.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:20:16 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 16:20:55 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-215-120-158.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:21:19 -!- PCChris [~PCChris@dhcp-199-74-100-187.res-hall.northwestern.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:22:04 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-215-120-158.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:23:43 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@213.138.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 16:25:40 kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-46-139.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 16:25:50 :). well at least the code is not as messy as before 16:26:23 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@213.138.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 16:26:28 -!- rmathews [~roshan@117.193.200.183] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:26:30 that (cffi:make-pointer 65556) is bothersome, though 16:26:43 65556, in particular 16:27:50 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-46-139.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29:16 when building SBCL I have error: ./make.sh: 71: time: not found 16:29:23 does anyone know what it is? 16:29:28 that's it, you ran out of time 16:29:46 try apt-get install time 16:30:23 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 16:31:49 ha, that helps 16:32:12 apt-get install money doesn't help 16:32:19 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:32:51 -!- vince- [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has quit [Quit: #yhiselamu | www.yhiselamu.ee (EOF)] 16:34:06 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:34:35 -!- jjkola [~jjkola@212-226-67-139-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:35:34 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.70.45] has joined #lisp 16:35:37 money is not debian based! :-) 16:36:26 antonv`: it's a problem related, afaik, to some issue with shells that have "time" as builting 16:36:30 *builtin 16:37:48 -!- Joreji [~thomas@67-235.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:37:50 p_l: yes, it's my case - bash has time builtin 16:38:04 installing separate time program helped 16:38:57 antonv`: Gentoo ebuilds simply remove `time` invocations from make.sh :) 16:39:01 starnge error 16:39:08 no, not really 16:39:08 Joreji [~thomas@67-235.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 16:39:52 pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has joined #lisp 16:40:04 make.sh uses #!/bin/sh as interpreter, which means that if you have neither /bin/time, on many more sensible systems make.sh will fail 16:40:14 (because they don't use bash as /bin/sh) 16:41:15 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@220.Red-79-148-146.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:41:17 try: whereis time 16:41:35 antonv`: I must second Juan's point: cl-test-grid is mightily useful for implementation developers. 16:41:37 abeaumont [~abeaumont@220.Red-79-148-146.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 16:42:04 ryank [~ryan@adsl-69-230-69-197.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 16:42:12 antonv`: we're working through all issues identified by cl-test-grid 16:42:13 DrPete [~DrPete@unaffiliated/drpete] has joined #lisp 16:42:18 to make abcl a lot better. 16:42:36 at that rate, abcl 1.1 will never be released! 16:44:17 ehu: thanks, I am glad to see cl-test-grid starts to produce some useful results 16:45:15 it's always pleasure when you spend some time and efforts thinking and coding, to see the program starts working 16:45:19 user123abc [~sally@c-67-171-79-251.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:45:46 time.h works? :) 16:47:43 ooh, that reminds me, I was going to ask you lot, is there a good mips common lisp? 16:48:31 sbcl, potentially 16:48:43 anyone has idea how to install en empty cliki2? 16:48:45 send your MIPS-powered devices nyef's side if you want to improve it 16:49:01 mstevens: SBCL apparently has mips support :) 16:49:21 sykopomp: hmm, I should try it 16:49:33 which had bitrotted 16:49:34 hilbert [~Hilbert@adsl-89-217-242-147.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 16:49:50 - 16:50:34 It will mean desperate measures like actually plugging the relevant machine in 16:51:18 Natch [~Natch@c-eccde155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 16:52:20 -!- piko_ [~piko@ip4-83-240-108-205.cust.nbox.cz] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:53:56 p_l: at most /usr/bin/time or not ? and /bin/sh it's only a symlink so you can set it as you wish. 16:54:21 pnpuff: you might *NOT* want to use bash for /bin/sh 16:54:32 and /bin/time it should be 16:55:32 I haven't it. 16:55:36 mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 16:55:54 or at least I'd prefer it there ;) 16:55:55 Bike [~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:56:06 -!- MoALTz [~no@212.183.128.225] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:56:06 antonv`: one of these days we fix all the problems which prevent the agent from running on ABCL :-) 16:56:10 hmm, debian doesn't have a sbcl on mipsel, which suggests it doesn't work 16:56:47 p_l why do you prefer it there? 16:57:04 can we really not discuss this? 16:57:07 ehu: I would say it's a low priority task - there are hundreds of CL libraries, and test-grid-agent is just one of them 16:57:56 -!- jasom [~aidenn@ip70-191-80-19.sb.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:58:05 ok stassats : was only a curiosity. 16:58:07 ehu: you can't spend you time on fixing every CL library to be portable, it's more efficient to concentrate on ABCL for you 16:58:44 lvyiwang [78cacfb3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.120.202.207.179] has joined #lisp 16:59:29 antonv`: true, but I can concentrate on providing APIs which help portability libraries be portable on ABCL; I think that's time well spent. 16:59:37 [a emacs question] If I set the initial-frame-alist OR default-frame-alist, when I start the GUI emacs, a blinking window will occur~but the default values works OK.(sys:win7; version:24.2) Thanks! 16:59:52 wrong channel 16:59:52 hmm. where should I send my comments re BABEL? 16:59:56 try #emacs 16:59:58 ehu: if you mean running external programs, well, it's one of useful features 17:00:17 antonv`: yea, that's what I meant. 17:00:31 abcl can't run external programs? 17:01:06 xpoqz [~xpoqz@203.80-203-124.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 17:01:10 stassats: what kind of programs? 17:01:12 stassats: yes, we can, but we don't support them in a pipe fashion, I think: reading the stdout and stderr handles. 17:01:29 i see 17:01:37 ehu: But we could do that pretty easily, I think 17:01:56 ehu: what about running the program asynchronously without reading stdout/stderr (just ignoring them)? 17:02:14 -!- Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.13.28.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:02:31 antonv`: both should be pretty easy; just a few hours work. 17:04:05 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-181-223.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:04:17 -!- homie [~homie@xdsl-78-35-181-223.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:04:19 ehu: ok. although I think despite the external programs running is useful, anyway it make sense to weight its priority relative to other things 17:06:08 AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@76.78.168.73] has joined #lisp 17:06:11 sure. but for some improvements we're dependent on library authors fixing their code. while we wait, we can do "other stuff". 17:06:24 I think being able to run external programs is a pretty basic requirement. 17:07:45 -!- lvyiwang [78cacfb3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.120.202.207.179] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:08:41 killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has joined #lisp 17:08:42 -!- clariprincess1 [~princesit@190.200.20.138] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:08:58 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-179-148.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:09:07 clariprincess [~princesit@190.200.20.138] has joined #lisp 17:09:39 -!- prip_ [~foo@host243-120-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:12:43 jimgg [~yaaic@120.85.200.11] has joined #lisp 17:13:16 -!- jimgg [~yaaic@120.85.200.11] has left #lisp 17:19:47 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-064-180-133.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:21:24 prip_ [~foo@host215-217-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 17:25:19 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.100.96] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:26:22 segmond [~AndChat41@adsl-108-73-166-107.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:33:00 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-064-180-133.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:39:56 ivan-kanis [~user@lns-c10k-ft-02-t2-89-83-137-164.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 17:43:00 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:44:07 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 17:49:31 -!- AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@76.78.168.73] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:50:00 AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@76.78.168.73] has joined #lisp 17:50:02 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 17:53:43 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-245.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:54:14 -!- AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@76.78.168.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:54:53 CampinSam [~user@24-176-103-21.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 17:57:13 add^_ [~add^_@m90-130-54-12.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 17:58:14 quarkup [~quarkup@a85-139-154-235.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 17:59:30 My_Hearing [~Mon_Ouie@130.183-67-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 17:59:30 -!- My_Hearing [~Mon_Ouie@130.183-67-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Changing host] 17:59:30 My_Hearing [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 17:59:37 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:59:39 -!- My_Hearing is now known as Mon_Ouie 18:00:38 My_Hearing [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 18:01:41 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:03:47 hey there. i am doing a homework (20-queens problem using a*/dfs) .. im optimizing the structures and i want to know about your opinion about 2 things: the internal representation should be a list/array of moves or a full-state representation (the 20x20 board) -- the other question: how to specify the type of the elements within an array ? and what would be faster for a dinamic-programming algorithm: a vector 18:03:49 of booleans or a vector of bits ? (the boolean can become 'x, but the bit has not 't' or 'nil', only '1' or '0', which may need another (eq) to check if is T or NIL) 18:04:07 vector of bits 18:04:24 bit-vector, that is 18:04:58 ok 18:05:11 thank you stassats 18:05:50 another possibility would be an integer 18:07:01 "Because this function is called via the reader, we want it to be as fast as possible." Can you guess which CL implementation this is from? (: 18:08:41 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@213.138.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 18:09:32 how are we supposed to know that it's from ACL? 18:12:27 The code base (well, its writers, most likely) is old enough (and geared toward symbolic workloads) for reader performance to be an issue, distinct from plain IO performance. 18:14:24 -!- bitonic [~user@146.169.24.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:15:37 AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@76.78.168.73] has joined #lisp 18:16:35 rabite [~rabite@4chan.fm] has joined #lisp 18:17:28 -!- segmond [~AndChat41@adsl-108-73-166-107.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:17:55 -!- asvil [~user@ns.osvtl.spb.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:19:43 segmond [~AndChat41@adsl-108-73-166-107.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:20:28 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:22:18 pkhuong: if it aint broken, don't fix it. 18:22:31 pkhuong: even if you can't read the code anymore today. 18:22:46 -!- spiderweb [~lcc@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:23:13 agumonkey [~agu@183.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 18:23:13 but it would be great if someone with that much reader insight could look at ABCL's tokenizer :-) 18:23:15 segmond_ [~AndChat41@adsl-108-73-166-107.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:23:48 -!- segmond [~AndChat41@adsl-108-73-166-107.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:24:28 -!- segmond_ [~AndChat41@adsl-108-73-166-107.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:24:54 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-064-180-133.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:26:04 btw, about reader. I have a lisp file storing s-expression. READ for that s-expression takes 13 seconds. Should it necessary be that long, or what can be done to speed up the reader 18:27:12 antonv`: abcl's? 18:27:36 no, 13 seconds was from CCL 18:28:08 for all we know, it might be a huge s-expression 18:28:34 on SBCL 8 seconds 18:28:44 stassats: relatevely big s-expression, 29 MB 18:28:51 not much faster 18:29:23 if you want fast, don't store it as an s-expression 18:30:10 at this moment I'd better wait 13 seconds every time I read the file than rewrite the code 18:30:31 but theoretically I am currious, should s-expression reading be necessary slow 18:31:03 slow compared to what? 18:31:10 well read doesn't just read s-expressions, it does everything with macro characters and so on 18:31:34 -!- chimay [~chimay@unaffiliated/chimay] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0-dev] 18:31:55 stassats: comparing to plain IO - just read the file by lines or in one huge sequence 18:32:10 antonv`: well, the input allows for a lot of variations (floats, ints, symbols, reader macros); with specifically targetted reading code, you can probably achieve much better performance. 18:32:31 well, just reading it doesn't do anything, or does it? 18:32:56 stassats: well, it does allow for it, doesn't it? #. ? 18:33:17 read-line? no 18:34:11 read-line doesn't. true. 18:34:11 one day I maybe profile the READ to see where the time is spent 18:35:22 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-167-71.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 18:37:10 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-034-226.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 18:39:06 quarkup: for a queens problem you don't need a NxN array to represent the board. You only need a N-vector of the y coordinate of each queen. Then you can easily copy and update those state-vectors from state to state. 18:39:11 uselpa [~uselpa@83.99.17.78] has joined #lisp 18:40:21 quarkup: notice that (if (aref bool-vector i) ) and (if (not (zerop (aref bit-vector i))) ) can easily generate the same code (or I'd bet more efficient code for the later). 18:46:35 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-034-226.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:46:43 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:46:43 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:47:37 oubiwann [~oubiwann@c-98-207-167-39.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:47:45 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 18:48:44 answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has joined #lisp 18:49:44 MoALTz [~no@212.183.140.48] has joined #lisp 18:54:46 thanks you ! 18:56:23 *thank you pjb 18:56:38 indeed that 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21:04:54 s/on/and 21:04:59 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-226-3.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:06:49 -!- eldariof [~CLDX@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:28 sbcl, version 1.1.0 21:07:47 should i just read character by character? 21:07:51 that seems inefficient though 21:10:50 redscare: I postprocess them out on input, once the line has been read. 21:11:16 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-43-11.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:12:55 pkhuong: but then i'm reading the whole file into a string? 21:14:04 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-012-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:14:42 sounds broken 21:14:55 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-167-71.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15:14 redscare: you can use flexi-streams. 21:15:16 a bug in the implementation, I mean. 21:15:29 prxq: line ending support in sbcl is incomplete. 21:15:47 redscare: I usually have enough RAM for that. Otherwise, either flexistream or a quick hack with read-sequence. 21:16:05 or ffi, if you can stand it. 21:16:19 prxq: SBCL doesn't run on OS 9 or earlier. 21:16:20 ffi to read a text file? 21:16:41 i can see how people are put off but common lisp if that'd be the sane suggestion :) 21:18:03 -!- fsvehla [~Fullmoon@h081217030118.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Quit: fsvehla] 21:18:13 pkhuong: oh, ok, so he's reading files from a different OS? That's be of course luck if it were supported 21:18:22 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 21:18:23 H4ns: :-) 21:19:42 yakov [~androirc@128-69-107-158.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 21:20:21 -!- quarkup [~quarkup@a85-139-154-235.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: (quit)] 21:22:50 -!- mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:23:48 redscare: clozure cl supports #\return as line termination character natively, see http://ccl.clozure.com/manual/chapter4.5.html (4.5.2. 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For me, compilation time if any is what matters :-) 22:19:48 pjb: i tend to wait longer on the functions to execute during testing than on the compilation. though it does indeed differ from library to library. 22:20:02 s/library/project/ :) 22:21:42 sellout42 [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has joined #lisp 22:22:52 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: lifetime expired] 22:28:34 -!- BrianRice [~water@174-31-191-217.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: BrianRice] 22:29:58 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-43-11.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 22:32:06 -!- mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35:02 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 22:35:32 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 22:36:42 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl20-210-249.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 22:37:07 BrianRice [~water@174-31-191-217.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:39:28 mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 22:39:52 -!- MoALTz [~no@212.183.140.48] has quit [Quit: bed] 22:39:57 dnolen [~user@pool-71-183-180-186.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:43:05 -!- mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51:36 paul0 [~user@186.222.48.210] has joined #lisp 22:51:56 -!- kmels [~kmels@p5B13FA7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:52:29 elkng [~elkng@unaffiliated/elkng] has joined #lisp 22:53:02 are there things that can not be done in languages other than lisp, or lisp is for hobbyists only ? 22:53:12 -!- Artheist [~quassel@cac94-2-82-66-238-128.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:54:49 your first question isn't very well defined. as for the second, plenty of people use it in jobs or research. 22:55:21 elkng: lisp is somewhat more expressive in practice, than most other languages you'll encounter. 22:55:48 are there things that can only be programmed in lisp and no other language ? 22:56:15 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 22:56:25 No, because any other Turing-complete language could have a Lisp compiler written in it, which could then evaluate any Lisp code. 22:56:49 elkng: in your view, is there any language where the answer to that question is yes? 22:57:00 elkng: lisp is turing complete, just like many other languages. if you're willing to spend years implementing something that could be implemented in hours, you can pick just about any language and they'll all be able to do the same. however, many programmers tend to value the time they spend programming too. 22:58:12 luis: i guess a lack of knowledge clouds his vision. 22:58:53 lisp programs can not be written in non-lisp languages, if this answer seems absurd, it is because the question is absurd. 22:59:26 pavelpenev: that's a lie. you could write a lisp implementation in the other language and thus write lisp in that language :) 22:59:39 mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 22:59:49 The question is not absurd. Misguided maybe, but absurd. 23:00:32 pavelpenev: and with that, i only want to say: being a wise guy isn't going to be helpful. say you haven't heard Turing-completenes yet, then it's a hard one to answer. i wouldn't have 'guessed' or assumed languages to be equivalent without learning about it. 23:00:41 it is absurd because as it was already mentioned, you can cheat and implement lisp. The question should be about what is convenient, and not what is possible. 23:00:43 luis: agreed 23:01:13 pavelpenev: i think i added that, not elkng :) 23:01:31 pavelpenev: so, is Lisp more convenient than any other language? :) 23:02:36 elkng: anyway, the answer is: learn how to program, learn Lisp, learn a bunch of other languages different from Lisp, and the answer will come, maybe. :) 23:02:36 luis: not "any" other language, but for huge variety of problems, I'd rather use Lisp 23:02:40 heh 23:02:53 *p_l* parachutes into middle of discussion without reading backlog 23:03:32 luis: once you talk about convenience, you also have to talk about the programmer(s) that write the software. I know lisp better than most other languages, so it is more convenient for me to write in lisp. 23:05:16 pavelpenev: sure, same for me. Except the other day, where I had to help a friend out adding some stuff to a static website, and PHP was more convenient. Ew, I know :) 23:05:18 also, if there are libraries that solve a problem for different languages, no language would be more convenient that the others in that narrow field. 23:05:53 -!- dnolen [~user@pool-71-183-180-186.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:08:49 delihiro_ [~delihiros@pd89d80.ngnont01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 23:09:03 -!- delihiro_ [~delihiros@pd89d80.ngnont01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:09:04 Anyway, that's enough off-topic for today, I guess. 23:09:14 Plus, it seems we've been trolled. Meh. 23:09:21 -!- Joreji [~thomas@67-235.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:09:42 luis: he would've poked more if it were trolling 23:11:16 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:11:46 so, what's new in the world of Lisp? 23:12:11 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 23:12:37 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:12:56 well, not sure how new it is, but google has a lisp style guide :) http://google-styleguide.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/lispguide.xml 23:13:36 anger at firefox's memory usage is tempting me to try writing a browser in lisp (half dogfood, half educational effort). but, I can't really convince myself that lisp is the answer for low-RAM-usage software 23:14:22 c++ :) 23:14:39 DrPete: buy ram, get on with it. 23:14:46 DrPete: try using Chrome, then Firefox will seem less of memory hog 23:14:59 reasoning about memory use as part of the algorithms, if its important 23:15:08 -!- gendl [~gendl@c-68-41-192-171.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:15:26 i imaggine a browser has a lot of caching decisions going on 23:15:27 pavelpenev: written by two #lispers, heh 23:15:30 gendl [~gendl@c-68-41-192-171.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:16:14 -!- mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:16:39 DrPete: http://www.cliki.net/Closure there's this old thing 23:16:51 oh, interesting 23:17:24 -!- levabalkin [vlad_dimit@79.119.211.42] has quit [] 23:19:43 luis: another new thing in the world of lisp is this page: http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-test-grid/library/ 23:31:43 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:45 -!- oubiwann [~oubiwann@c-98-207-167-39.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:31:47 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 23:32:39 oubiwann [~oubiwann@c-98-207-167-39.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:32:58 antl 23:33:10 antonv: that looks awesome! :) 23:39:58 sbenitezb [~sbenitezb@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 23:40:37 -!- bitonic [~user@5e0f8472.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:41:55 -!- stlifey_ [~stlifey@116.26.27.68] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9] 23:43:10 -!- hilbert [~Hilbert@adsl-89-217-242-147.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 23:44:15 -!- ryank [~ryan@adsl-69-230-69-197.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:45:24 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:46:00 the page is going to be updated, so you can monitor you libraries there 23:47:30 -!- sellout42 [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:49:16 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:49:43 -!- redscare [~user@18.205.1.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:57:09 redscare [~user@18.205.1.228] has joined #lisp 23:59:41 Does the standard dictate that common-lisp must be case-insensitive; Ability to use more c-esque identifiers is something that i'm enjoying in clojure