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Rest easy. 03:16:39 At first I thought a truck went by 03:18:21 I knew it was a quake. Too rough. 03:27:19 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c122-106-147-75.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:29:25 jiaxi [~jiaxi@60.194.1.66] has joined #lisp 03:29:44 -!- jiaxi [~jiaxi@60.194.1.66] has quit [Client Quit] 03:29:44 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@24.130.4.105] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:30:29 PuercoPop [~user@190.235.238.26] has joined #lisp 03:35:04 -!- ANDRES1 [~ANDRES1@201.209.38.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:35:28 rtoym [~chatzilla@24.130.4.105] has joined #lisp 03:38:33 sellout42 [~Adium@c-24-91-75-190.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:39:28 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:43:47 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-245.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:45:10 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@24.130.4.105] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:45:41 -!- jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:49:01 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-135-17.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 03:50:27 -!- antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:02:17 -!- moore33 [~moore@ABordeaux-153-1-4-180.w92-146.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:05:57 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:06:11 msmith0957 [~Mike@c-76-124-107-175.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:06:48 so i have a list of arrays i keep pushing to a list, and i want to see if the list already contains this particular array. i found eq, eql, and equal dont work but equalp does work 04:06:56 how can i match this with 'member' to see if its in the list already or not 04:07:01 or is there a better way of doing this 04:07:05 :test #'equalp 04:07:13 ahah 04:08:00 you might want to look up exactly how the different predicates work, by the way. 04:08:56 yeah, i was reading about it a little bit earlier 04:10:54 fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-123-199.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 04:12:14 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 04:14:32 damn Bike, i must say, you're pretty active in here. 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05:45:48 postfuturist: when did you test slimv? 05:47:06 joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lisp 05:48:31 -!- superflit [~superflit@75-171-195-118.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:49:54 msmith0957 [~Mike@c-76-124-107-175.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:50:26 answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has joined #lisp 05:51:14 gko [~user@42-69-235-4.dynamic-ip.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 05:51:58 ezakimak [~nick@ns1.nickleippe.com] has joined #lisp 05:52:02 i have this: http://paste.lisp.org/display/132680 05:52:06 but im getting this error: 05:52:14 *** - SYSTEM::%EXPAND-FORM: (WHEN (NULL (MEMBER NODE EXPLORED :TEST #'EQUALP)) (PUSH CHILD FRINGE)) 05:52:14 should be a lambda expression 05:52:15 -!- lolprog [~let@94-225-44-126.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:52:50 i'm not sure what's wrong with it tbh 05:53:04 superflit [~superflit@75-171-196-164.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 05:53:06 -!- hiteki [~user@224.251.102.84.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 05:53:27 extra pair of parens. you have "(when (null (member node explored :test #'equalp))" in the function position. 05:53:34 er, that thing you quoted, anyway. 05:54:16 gah 05:54:26 that appears to have been it 05:56:30 oh and, quick question on usage of (return). in that same function, i want it to print something, from another function, before i say (return). does (return) in itself return something, or just breaks you out of the loop/function ? 05:56:39 i want it to return the result of the previous function call, and then leave the current function 05:57:12 (block nil (return 4)) => 4 05:58:38 (print 4) => 4 05:59:48 so, by me saying (progn (solution node ()) (return)) , thats not going to give me the result i want, correct ? 05:59:57 i should instead just say (return solution node ()) 06:00:16 (return (solution node ())), I think you mean. 06:00:25 yes, thats right 06:00:29 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:00:41 or just don't use return. 06:00:49 i need to use return to jump me out of the loop 06:01:00 based on this node being the 'solution' 06:01:19 there's probably a better way.. 06:01:45 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c122-106-147-75.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:02:05 Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 06:02:32 msmith0957: looking at your code I think replacing the progn with the return is what you want, yeah. incidentally, if you don't care about the result of the mapcar you can use mapc instead to make sure it doesn't bother consing up the result 06:03:11 yeah, thats why i just print 'fringe' at the end, thats the list that i care about on function return 06:03:33 i suppose the same effect from using mapc like youre saying ? 06:03:54 oh and, the first time i saw that result, i was confused why i was getting so many more results than i was expecting initially, heh 06:04:02 Joreji [~thomas@70-181.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 06:04:04 wait, no. you don't actually care about the result of the loop, do you? 06:04:56 i'm not sure what the loop results in. it was returning each iteration of 'fringe', consing as you were saying 06:05:13 i suppose it would just print the value of fringe each time because im just pushing onto it 06:05:17 so maybe a mapc would do what i want 06:05:23 just returns the last iteration of the push 06:05:25 ? 06:05:48 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.57.70] has joined #lisp 06:06:01 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:06:10 What do you want the function overall to return? The first solution state it finds? 06:06:26 -!- [SLB] is now known as [SLB]` 06:07:49 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:07:59 i have it return the solution path, yeah 06:08:16 but the lambda function is there to successfully push deeper and deeper child nodes, until solution is found 06:08:38 err, successively* i think 06:08:50 right. you're calling the anonymous function only for effect, is why I mentioned mapc. 06:09:03 ok 06:09:16 peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 06:09:26 yeah, still learning these basic functions o_0 06:09:45 There's a lot of them. 06:09:54 -!- macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h-17-133.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9] 06:10:57 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 06:11:20 its a totally new way of thinking for me 06:11:24 double wammy 06:12:01 well, block/return are probably what you're used to from other languages. lexical, returns a value (or values). 06:12:08 blackwol` [~blackwolf@ool-4575fc51.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 06:12:15 -!- findiggle [~kirkwood@50-194-56-154-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:13:17 if i'm running this from clisp cli, can i pause execution and test value of a variable ? 06:13:26 i'm not familiar with lisp debugging 06:13:51 try (step whatever), or inserting break calls. 06:13:53 -!- blackwolf [~blackwolf@ool-4575fc51.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:15:25 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-32-189.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:15:55 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:16:13 *** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied, when trying to compile file :/ 06:16:25 i've compiled before, but this is new 06:17:17 screamer` [~user@ec2-184-169-234-191.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 06:17:46 Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 06:18:29 -!- spacefrogg^ is now known as spacefrogg 06:24:38 hm, you know things are running well when your window manager begins flickering and reloading itself 06:26:29 wel thats good, it was just killed instead 06:26:53 pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has joined #lisp 06:28:35 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:30:15 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-32-189.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 06:31:25 Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 06:33:17 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.133] has joined #lisp 06:33:59 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-vvxgtqivlhnpzzwl] has joined #lisp 06:33:59 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-vvxgtqivlhnpzzwl] has quit [Changing host] 06:33:59 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 06:34:08 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.214] has joined #lisp 06:38:00 NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has joined #lisp 06:38:07 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:38:18 -!- NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has left #lisp 06:40:03 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:40:38 jewel [~jewel@105-236-120-96.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:40:57 answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has joined #lisp 06:42:31 -!- agumonkey [~agu@199.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:43:04 Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 06:44:52 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.57.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:47:59 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:51:21 DelPuerto [~youguy@80.30.32.32] has joined #lisp 06:52:34 -!- msmith0957 [~Mike@c-76-124-107-175.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has left #lisp 06:52:36 msmith0957 [~Mike@c-76-124-107-175.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:54:12 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 06:55:08 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 06:55:55 mrSpec [~Spec@89-78-118-138.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 06:55:56 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@89-78-118-138.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Changing host] 06:55:56 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 06:56:26 mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 07:00:30 nha [~prefect@koln-4d0b06fe.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 07:00:36 -!- mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:02:25 Cymew [~user@fw01d.snowmen.se] has joined #lisp 07:07:35 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.77.131] has joined #lisp 07:07:35 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.77.131] has quit [Changing host] 07:07:35 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 07:09:05 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 07:09:07 -!- DelPuerto [~youguy@80.30.32.32] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 07:09:25 mrSpec [~Spec@89-78-118-138.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 07:09:25 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@89-78-118-138.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Changing host] 07:09:25 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 07:10:58 Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 07:11:58 wuehli [~wuehlmaus@freeshell.de] has joined #lisp 07:14:18 varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 07:18:23 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-120-96.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:18:34 teggi [~teggi@123.21.170.142] has joined #lisp 07:18:51 mpstyler [~mpstyler@176.73.151.79] has joined #lisp 07:19:10 paolo_m [~user@2-228-95-110.ip190.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 07:21:35 -!- Bike [~Glossina@65-100-32-102.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: asleep] 07:24:20 anyone having problems posting data using drakma to nginx backed servers? 07:24:38 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:24:56 I've now gotten a "411 length required" error for two different servers 07:25:30 I'm thinking it might be a bug in the way drakma is constructing its http requests 07:25:54 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@dyn-130-194-155-39.its.monash.edu.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:26:29 ferada [~ferada@dslb-088-068-155-195.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 07:26:31 -!- gko [~user@42-69-235-4.dynamic-ip.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:27:42 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-162-2.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 07:29:14 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-32-189.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:29:30 punee [~punee@213-245-106-105.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 07:31:54 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 07:33:18 here's a simple example: https://gist.github.com/ccde1b19458bb1e58b11 07:33:34 pretty sure any nginx based server will give the same error 07:33:50 -!- msmith0957 [~Mike@c-76-124-107-175.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:34:13 -!- piko [~piko@ip4-83-240-108-205.cust.nbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:35:04 msmith0957 [~Mike@c-76-124-107-175.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:35:29 so, whats supposed to happen if my program hits maximum recursion or some form of stack overflow 07:36:30 hiteki [~user@224.251.102.84.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 07:36:39 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:38:05 gko [~user@42-69-235-4.dynamic-ip.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 07:38:14 mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has joined #lisp 07:38:21 Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 07:38:46 joekarma: see rfc2616 4.4 regarding the Content-Length header 07:38:47 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:40:02 fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-094-218-037-195.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 07:40:48 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 07:41:14 galdor: is there something in particular that I should be noticing? 07:42:36 joekarma: this: http://pastie.org/5071876 07:43:13 shouldn't drakma be passing a content-length header automatically? 07:43:31 I'm surprised if that's missing, but I'll have a look 07:43:34 apparently, drakma assumes that the server is HTTP 1.1 compliant 07:43:50 ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has joined #lisp 07:44:18 (and yet nginx has the right to ask for this header, and reply with 411 since it's not there) 07:44:31 -!- hiteki [~user@224.251.102.84.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:44:53 so basically I should check the drakma source and ensure that content-length is always sent? 07:44:58 maybe someone forked it on github already 07:45:04 alama [~textual@stgt-4d02ead9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 07:46:13 from what I can read, drakma add a content-length header if you add a CONTENT key parameter to your request 07:46:36 cheers, thanks galdor, I'll check that out 07:46:38 not with the :PARAMETERS argument 07:46:57 therefore you can provide the content-length yourself with :CONTENT-LENGTH 07:47:25 but I'm pretty sure drakma should do the right thing (post + parameters == add a content-length) 07:47:54 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-181.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:48:02 see, there's the problem, it SHOULD, not MUST ;) 07:48:24 well you can still ask the author about it, and/or submit a patch :) 07:48:48 I'll see if I can't get a patch together 07:49:22 considering the alternative is to compute the content-length on every request 07:51:45 -!- Joreji [~thomas@70-181.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:52:19 joekarma: if you describe the problem clearly and add some test case to expose the problem easily, make that into a github issue and i'll fix it. 07:52:48 okay, thanks H4ns 07:53:07 kanru`` [~kanru@118-163-10-190.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 07:53:18 is there an easy option to do a dry run for http-requests, by the way? 07:53:35 joekarma: what do you mean by "dry run", precisely? 07:53:42 -!- paolo_m [~user@2-228-95-110.ip190.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:53:47 I want to see what headers are being sent without resorting to packet capturing 07:53:53 curl 07:54:08 hiteki [~user@224.251.102.84.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 07:54:10 joekarma: drakma:*header-stream* 07:54:16 aha, thank you 07:54:20 joekarma: you _should_ actually refer to the documentation :) 07:54:58 true that 07:56:04 -!- rking [~rking@unaffiliated/rking] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:57:45 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:59:06 rking [~rking@unaffiliated/rking] has joined #lisp 08:02:07 Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 08:02:30 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:02:41 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 08:02:44 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-181.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:03:20 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-181.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:03:37 okay, H4ns, I know this isn't the most professional way to request a fix, but here goes... the problem is that nginx servers (*all* nginx servers) are choking on drakma requests that do not specify a content-length on POST requests. drakma is not specifying a content length by default when given a set of parameters. If you add one line--(setq content-length (length content))--after the content is encoded in http-request it should work (did f 08:03:37 me after one single test, anyhow) 08:04:19 joekarma: as i said, i'll gladly fix it if you describe the problem and a way to fix in a github issue. 08:05:14 joekarma: i have no ngnix installation to test this against, and i do not suffer from the problem, so i'm asking for a bit of your help. 08:05:26 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:06:58 I'll try to put something together in github issues if that will help you 08:07:11 I've actually never used that before 08:07:43 joekarma: nothing to it: https://github.com/edicl/drakma/issues/new 08:07:47 paolo_m [~user@2-228-95-110.ip190.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 08:08:34 extra bonus points for using proper markdown for formatting. i can do without, though, as long as what you write is clear and reproducable. 08:08:41 c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-ytqkzjoxmrzplfzd] has joined #lisp 08:10:12 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.182.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 08:11:27 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:13:44 Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 08:14:04 today's exercice: comparing PostgreSQL Rules (SQL rewriter) with Lisp Macros. who's in? :) 08:14:29 heh, so i ran my program on my schools servers, eventually said there was no more room for lisp objects, and reported a currently in use memory of 38GB o_0 08:14:42 whooops 08:14:46 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 08:14:51 Joreji [~thomas@67-235.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 08:15:28 Joreji_ [~thomas@67-235.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 08:17:04 I think your program uses more consing than needed. 08:17:20 ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has joined #lisp 08:17:23 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-32-189.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 08:18:23 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-103-225.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 08:18:24 yeah.. i added a depth bound so this wont happen again, but i think when i check for explored states, its not realizing theyre the 'same' 08:18:44 so, endlessly going deeper into the search tree, in cycles 08:19:06 4am is too late to debug this 08:19:51 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has quit [Client Quit] 08:19:53 -!- PuercoPop [~user@190.235.238.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:20:03 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:20:21 -!- msmith0957 [~Mike@c-76-124-107-175.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:20:39 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@67-235.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:20:58 Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 08:21:47 kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 08:24:02 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:24:22 -!- PCChris [~PCChris@dhcp-199-74-100-143.res-hall.northwestern.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:24:25 mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has joined #lisp 08:25:58 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:26:22 -!- Joreji [~thomas@67-235.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:26:28 Joreji_ [~thomas@67-235.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 08:28:51 araujo [~araujo@190.73.45.171] has joined #lisp 08:28:51 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.73.45.171] has quit [Changing host] 08:28:51 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 08:30:51 PCChris [~PCChris@dhcp-199-74-100-143.res-hall.northwestern.edu] has joined #lisp 08:30:56 hiro3 [~hiro@p210079202073.cnh.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 08:30:58 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:34:20 -!- Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:35:10 qptain_Nemo [~qN@81-235-52-30-no79.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 08:37:18 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-181.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:38:03 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-181.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:38:39 joekarma: so nginx does not support chunked encoding on post bodies? 08:40:18 I'm not sure. I wondered if it had something to do with chunking though, from a Google search I made earlier 08:40:43 joekarma: there is a nginx module that adds chunked input: http://wiki.nginx.org/HttpChunkinModule 08:41:11 joekarma: i understand that this may not be a solution to your problem if you try to talk to a server that is not under your control. 08:41:16 yes 08:41:49 chimay [~chimay@unaffiliated/chimay] has joined #lisp 08:42:38 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:42:50 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 08:45:18 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@67-235.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:45:19 when I was troubleshooting the issue I also tried to make the request using :http/1.0 and searched for a chunking-enabled toggle. wasn't successful with either, evidently 08:45:54 there currently is no way to switch off chunking for sending request bodies, but that will be the fix for the problem. 08:46:42 Joreji [~thomas@67-235.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 08:46:48 awesome 08:46:55 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 08:47:07 well, thanks for your help H4ns. I appreciate it 08:47:23 joekarma: i need to finish some other stuff first, though. i'll try to get it done in a few hours. 08:49:03 -!- prxq_ is now known as prxq 08:49:12 -!- dfox [~dfox@rei.ipv6.dfox.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:49:19 no problem at all. I'll just use a cludgy hack or two to work around it until I see it's fixed properly on github--and if it's fixed in a couple of hours, that'll be right around the time I wake up tomorrow (today) morning 08:49:27 'night 08:49:35 'night 08:49:40 -!- joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Quit: joekarma] 08:52:49 dfox [~dfox@rei.ipv6.dfox.org] has joined #lisp 08:53:17 Joreji_ [~thomas@67-235.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 08:57:29 -!- Joreji [~thomas@67-235.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:59:41 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-32-189.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:59:45 -!- kanru`` [~kanru@118-163-10-190.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:04:01 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl6-61-114.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 09:12:57 ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has joined #lisp 09:16:10 Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 09:17:40 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@67-235.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:21:58 -!- alama [~textual@stgt-4d02ead9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 09:23:25 mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 09:34:03 am0c [~am0c@112.149.169.27] has joined #lisp 09:36:55 xpoqz [~xpoqz@80.203.124.203] has joined #lisp 09:43:17 rootlocus [~rootlocus@202-159-141-122.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 09:43:49 -!- Kvaks [~quassel@95.161.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:43:56 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:44:27 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.77.131] has joined #lisp 09:44:27 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.77.131] has quit [Changing host] 09:44:27 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 09:49:08 Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has joined #lisp 09:49:36 zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@catv-89-132-196-182.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 09:52:08 -!- zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@catv-89-132-196-182.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Changing host] 09:52:08 zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has joined #lisp 09:57:10 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:58:35 -!- Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:59:31 phrixos [U2FsdGVkX1@unaffiliated/phrixos] has joined #lisp 09:59:54 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:02:04 Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 10:04:21 -!- taylanub [tub@p4FD91C49.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 10:04:27 taylanub [tub@p4FD91FC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:04:39 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.21.170.142] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:05:06 teggi [~teggi@123.21.170.142] has joined #lisp 10:08:22 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.182.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:09:46 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@193.136.27.164] has joined #lisp 10:10:14 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.182.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 10:10:47 drl [~drl@110.139.229.172] has joined #lisp 10:10:52 guest__ [2508b9dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.37.8.185.221] has joined #lisp 10:16:34 Is #lisp archived? 10:16:46 minion: logs 10:16:47 logs: #lisp logs are available at http://ccl.clozure.com/irc-logs/lisp/ (since 2008-09) and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/lisp/ (since 2000) 10:17:13 fe[ 10:17:34 fe[nl]ix: thanks. 10:18:08 -!- guest__ [2508b9dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.37.8.185.221] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:18:19 bitonic [~user@dyn901-178.eduroam.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 10:18:21 agumonkey [~agu@199.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 10:23:26 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn901-178.eduroam.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:27:07 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@193.136.27.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:29:53 mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has joined #lisp 10:31:44 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@193.136.27.164] has joined #lisp 10:33:09 -!- drl [~drl@110.139.229.172] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 10:37:05 kmels_ [~kmels@p579D142C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:37:36 -!- gko [~user@42-69-235-4.dynamic-ip.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 10:43:34 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-162-2.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:45:01 Has anybody here done any literate programming with lisp? I want to give it a shot and write a well documented example application for educational purposes. 10:46:34 -!- chimay [~chimay@unaffiliated/chimay] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:49:43 pavelpenev: i messed with noweb once. lp is not my cup of tea. if you have to do literate programming use noweb. 10:52:39 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:52:46 KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:56:02 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:56:39 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-191-138.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 10:57:41 I'm pretty skeptical about it too, but I want to give it a shot, I have a hunch it might be useful for an educational example. I'm giving cl-org-mode a look 10:58:58 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:59:01 pavelpenev: I fiddeled around with cl-org-mode and find it pretty useful. But it does no literate programming in the original sense 10:59:48 I just want something better than source code with 60% comments :) 11:00:36 cl-org-mode is just that. 11:00:43 cool :) 11:01:44 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.1] 11:02:03 to be clear: cl-org-mode is similar to what doxygen is to other languages 11:02:54 pavelpenev: you've reminded me of a related question I have, which is if there's a good CL tool vaguely like javadoc 11:06:23 -!- Euthy [~euthy@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:08:43 when the :content-length argument to drakma:http-request is passed as T, the request will be computed in memory and the proper content-length will be added. and it is documented. 11:08:46 *sigh* 11:08:55 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 11:10:20 pavelpenev, mstevens: sorry, I was mistaken. I was referring to CLOD all the time. also targets org-mode 11:10:47 but it uses introspection rather than file parsing to extract the documentation 11:11:03 -!- Guest61276 is now known as Jabberwockey 11:11:06 benny [~user@i577A7C20.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 11:17:56 -!- p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:22:43 is there an easy way to toggle hunchentoot's logging of requests in the repl? i've searched the docs but couldn't find it. i thought there was support for something of the likes. 11:23:25 (also, going to the definition of easy-acceptor didn't give me some great insight) 11:24:04 madnificent: you could check the "Logging" section in the documentation 11:24:24 madnificent: i totally admit that putting information about the logging system into the "Logging" section is a bit obscure 11:24:55 H4ns: i didn't find it there 11:25:09 it seems to be access-log-destination and i may have overlooked it 11:25:14 madnificent: it is hidden in the first sentence 11:25:35 again, apologies for making it so obscure. if you can improve it, please send a patch. 11:25:36 H4ns: ah, but that's not what i was intending 11:25:46 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 11:25:55 madnificent: but? 11:26:35 i wanted to toggle it on/off easily in the repl. i thought it didn't used to write it to the repl (it writes it to *error-output* by default now). either there used to be a way to toggle it, or i wrote something for it in the past. 11:26:55 there was no way to "toggle" it 11:27:24 ok, i'll bolt something together then :) 11:27:25 thanks 11:30:39 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 11:31:29 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:33:50 \o/ so much better with toggling \o/ 11:34:31 -!- rabite [~rabite@4chan.fm] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:36:38 -!- billitch_ [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:37:02 p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has joined #lisp 11:37:29 billitch_ [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 11:38:13 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:38:49 Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 11:41:04 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 11:45:28 -!- agumonkey [~agu@199.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:49:01 gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 11:49:11 gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 11:50:21 drl [~drl@110.139.229.172] has joined #lisp 11:51:54 agumonkey [~agu@199.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 11:54:11 macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h-17-133.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 11:57:53 psii [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has joined #lisp 12:00:58 leoncamel [~user@1.202.62.165] has joined #lisp 12:02:29 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 12:11:20 Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has joined #lisp 12:12:48 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:13:30 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:14:32 KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:15:55 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 12:16:41 kilon [~user@178.59.17.196] has joined #lisp 12:22:03 -!- mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:22:31 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 12:25:27 -!- PCChris [~PCChris@dhcp-199-74-100-143.res-hall.northwestern.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:28:27 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-103-225.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:29:07 -!- sellout42 [~Adium@c-24-91-75-190.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:30:27 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 12:30:33 -!- kanru` [~kanru@118-163-10-190.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:36:27 -!- kmels_ [~kmels@p579D142C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:38:51 mjs2600 [~mjs2600@24.106.194.14] has joined #lisp 12:38:58 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Bacteria] 12:45:58 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-32-189.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 12:46:37 -!- p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:48:03 -!- taylanub [tub@p4FD91FC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #lisp 12:48:22 mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has joined #lisp 12:51:50 fiveop_ [~fiveop@dslb-092-075-069-019.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 12:52:40 urandom__ [~user@ip-88-152-219-219.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 12:54:14 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-094-218-037-195.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:56:06 -!- fiveop_ [~fiveop@dslb-092-075-069-019.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:56:52 fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-178-002-124-003.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 12:57:21 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 13:01:10 H4ns: to get back on to why i didn't see the stream as a solution: setting the stream to something you don't see didn't feel like anything near a clean implementation. under the assumption that there was a switch (which was clearly incorrect) i was quite sure i was missing some part of the documentation. 13:01:34 meaning to say: the documentation of hunchentoot is very good, i often grab it 13:04:43 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:06:30 lisp makes me happy. 13:08:03 madnificent: i'm confused. what exactly is not clean? the doc says that you can set the log destinations to nil to disable the logging. 13:08:15 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has joined #lisp 13:11:35 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:13:01 -!- `fogus|away [~fogus@burke-matrex.d-a-s.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:14:54 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-32-189.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:16:47 -!- am0c [~am0c@112.149.169.27] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:17:02 H4ns: reading things wrong makes me confused. ignore me. it was my reasoning, i didn't read the docs right. (incf hunchentoot-docs) 13:17:10 ams: and so it should be! 13:20:23 Joreji [~thomas@67-235.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 13:21:55 madnificent: :-) 13:22:33 been coding lisp for 20 years or whatever, and every time I open up emacs, and write some lisp it makes me so happy.. 13:25:08 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 13:26:47 Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 13:27:56 -!- kilon [~user@178.59.17.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:31:38 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:39:05 -!- rootlocus [~rootlocus@202-159-141-122.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:39:10 ams: that's quite long :) 13:39:22 madnificent: is it? 13:39:40 p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has joined #lisp 13:41:48 bitonic [~user@dyn900-89.eduroam.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 13:42:02 -!- Joreji [~thomas@67-235.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:44:28 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:45:09 -!- urandom__ [~user@ip-88-152-219-219.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:45:21 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 13:46:37 NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has joined #lisp 13:46:50 -!- NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has left #lisp 13:47:41 BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-034-009.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:50:39 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:51:29 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 14:00:07 ams: it's longer than me. and that's not a bad thing 14:01:44 `fogus [~fogus@burke-matrex.d-a-s.com] has joined #lisp 14:02:45 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:54 ams: what did you work on ? 14:05:17 answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has joined #lisp 14:06:14 peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has joined #lisp 14:07:59 chimay [~chimay@unaffiliated/chimay] has joined #lisp 14:11:28 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-191-138.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:11:43 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-132-136.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:13:21 -!- gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:13:26 fe[nl]ix: professionally, a bunch of inhouse projects using common lisp that nobody has ever heard of, spare time, emacs mostly. 14:14:31 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-181-135.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 14:15:29 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:18:54 ferdinandsvehla [~Fullmoon@TK212017097035.teleweb.at] has joined #lisp 14:19:42 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 14:22:35 gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 14:23:57 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:24:02 *Cymew* started coding lisp 18 years ago, but have not been coding continuously or on one big project during that time. 14:24:33 omg 18 years 14:24:52 antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has joined #lisp 14:24:56 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 14:25:01 *Cymew* ponders the sum of his knowledge and looks sadly at the majority of CLtL2 which he don't know, and don't understand 14:25:28 Cymew: i have good news, you don't have to learn cltl2 any more 14:25:53 wbooze: I just wanted to put the numbers in perspective. I have no idea of the depth of ams' knowledge. I just know mine is quite shallow, after 18 years... 14:26:11 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 14:26:20 Xach: YEah, but it is a funny book, and it looks impressive on the shelf... ;) 14:26:26 mine is shallow too after 7 or 8 years, erm it was 2003-2004 or so i encountered lisp i think..... 14:26:45 it does not take deep knowledge to have fun. 14:26:52 That is true 14:26:53 Nope. 14:27:02 sometimes, deep knowledge even spoils the fun :) 14:27:09 And the nice thing is that no matter how deep you get you can still fee like there's more to learn 14:27:14 Emacs is like that too 14:27:15 Cymew: I know the majority of CLtL2 ;-) 14:27:24 :) 14:27:39 Cymew: And internals of emacs, and if you want, i can writ eyou an emulator for a bolix 3600 14:27:58 Thanks, but I think I'll pass. 14:28:45 ams: "from memory" would have impressed me :) 14:29:00 *Cymew* laughs out loud 14:29:12 H4ns: Well, no .. :-) but I do have the manuals on my shelf for refernece. 14:29:15 Yeah, me too. 14:29:15 -!- psii [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has quit [Quit: #yhiselamu | www.yhiselamu.ee (EOF)] 14:29:19 bolix 3600? 14:29:28 ams: you mean symbolics? :) 14:29:35 p_l: No, I mean bolix. 14:29:38 Or bolox. 14:30:06 heh 14:30:27 (please read that as "ams is, and never was, fond, of bolix") 14:30:43 lol 14:30:47 "parse error" 14:31:16 -!- ferdinandsvehla [~Fullmoon@TK212017097035.teleweb.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:25 Frankly, every time I open up CLtL2 I am amazed at how much there is in there that I barely understand. The same is true for the excellent quick ref at http://clqr.boundp.org/ 14:31:45 Doesn't stop me fooling around. 14:32:00 It do stop me from developing anything anyone else can use, but what the heck. 14:33:20 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:34:31 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:34:38 Does anyone have a naming convention on when to name a function starting with "find-" v. a function name starting with "get-" 14:35:06 never? :-) 14:35:30 sabra: I don't know, really, but my first instinct is that "find-" might return NIL (or something meaning "not found") but "get-" should not. 14:35:41 what Xach said 14:36:53 thanks. That makes sense 14:38:22 (get-bent ...) 14:38:29 when i do (add-one (test-gc)) i still get memory leaks after just 2 times with that without any gc in between, even with (gc) in between i get a memory corruption, but when i use (gc :full t) after each invokation i don't get any errors 14:39:01 bug #936304 14:39:17 sbcl, does anyone else have that too, and is that normal ? 14:39:31 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 14:39:41 mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has joined #lisp 14:39:45 doesn't matter which version, all versions i used is the same behaviour 14:40:05 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 14:40:23 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 14:41:14 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-232-150.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 14:41:43 eheh, ok two succesive invokation always cause memory corruption 14:44:54 Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 14:45:30 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 14:47:11 replore [~replore@FLH1Abd153.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #lisp 14:48:25 oh man, the gc backend is C not ? 14:49:37 complaining in yoda voice are we? 14:49:54 are we! 14:50:02 wbooze: in C GC is 14:50:16 hmmmm 14:50:27 outloook not good! 14:50:28 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:50:32 lol 14:50:34 uselpa [~uselpa@83.99.17.75] has joined #lisp 14:50:46 wbooze: tried compiling with (safety 3)? 14:50:50 no 14:51:18 but i started another sbcl with --no-sysinit --no-userinit , there it happens only after each 4'th invocation 14:51:27 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0-dev] 14:51:51 so maybe my deafult heap size is low ? 14:51:56 or what does that tell me ? 14:52:31 -!- Cymew [~user@fw01d.snowmen.se] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:53:18 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:54:38 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:54:48 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-181.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:56:37 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 14:57:29 <|3b|> wbooze: (sb-ext:dynamic-space-size) might tell you what your heap size is 14:57:30 -!- zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has quit [] 14:58:02 dabd [~dabd@a95-93-205-168.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 14:58:42 _d3f [~d3f@46.183.216.234] has joined #lisp 14:58:58 Xach: I don't think old software should be automatically cleaned up 14:59:31 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:59:42 <|3b|> wbooze: if you are getting memory corruption instead of heap exhausted something else is probably wrong rather than that bug 14:59:55 dlowe: Why? 15:00:58 Xach: you need a rollback plan for local projects 15:01:50 in case the newer version busts a local project where working immediately is more important than being up-to-date 15:02:15 dlowe: You mean like if your internet connection is busted? 15:02:26 -!- uselpa [~uselpa@83.99.17.75] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02:30 There's already a scheme to revert to older versions of everything. 15:02:51 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:03:34 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 15:03:37 I guess. It just sounds like the sort of thing that can cause mishaps. 15:03:51 *dlowe* is paranoid. 15:04:16 dlowe: Well, the thing is, there's no real way to actually use those older versions even if you wanted to. It still requires re-fetching the older metadata. 15:04:27 And they currently accumulate indefinitely. 15:04:59 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:05:00 wbooze: you aren't per chance using (safety 0) somewhere? 15:07:39 findiggle [~kirkwood@173-10-106-172-BusName-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 15:08:49 not afaik 15:09:09 daniel1 [~ANDRES1@201.209.38.229] has joined #lisp 15:09:29 steffi_s [~marioooh@x-132-204-243-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has joined #lisp 15:10:15 ah no wait, it's all heap-exhaustion messages, not memory corruptions, but anyway.... 15:10:43 so that's normal yeah ? 15:11:25 -!- daniel1 is now known as ANDRES2 15:12:06 kmels [~kmels@p579D142C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:12:26 dynamic-space-size is 536870912, in all sbcl instances 15:12:44 so small 15:12:50 32bit, I guess? 15:12:58 yes 32bit OS 15:13:18 well, try 1G dynamic space 15:13:27 and consider upgrading 15:15:28 This is the fine fellow who babbles for months about mcclim on cmucl, p_l 15:15:52 ah 15:16:05 hmmm, i already have an alias set as 2G but it has no effect it seems, i think i have to use 2Gb instead 15:16:25 btw, regarding CMUCL - how appropriate is cross-pollination between CMUCL and SBCL code? 15:16:26 upgrading ? 15:16:31 -!- ltbarcly1 [~ltbarcly@pool-71-116-78-211.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:16:31 i'm already on 1.1.0 15:16:52 wbooze: upgrading to 64bit 15:17:17 p_l: in what sense? license-wise it should be super fine 15:17:24 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:18:01 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:18:03 oh 15:19:00 hmmm, --dynamic-space-size 2Gb didn't have any effect trying now --dynamic-space-size=2Gb, cause (sb-ext:dynamic-space-size) reported the same number 15:19:21 o o 15:19:25 again the same 15:19:30 so it does not alter anything ? 15:20:54 wbooze: the correct way is --dynamic-space-size 2000 15:21:01 and it must be in the right position. 15:21:15 ah 15:22:44 joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lisp 15:22:53 ltbarcly [~ltbarcly@pool-71-116-78-211.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:24:01 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-181.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:26:53 duh, no order does change anything, i tried everything possible, it's always the same size! 15:27:01 -!- joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:27:13 would that be somehting wich gets set at compile time or so, when compiling from sources ? 15:27:29 -!- balle [~basti@pulsar.inf.ethz.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:28:38 Xach: thanks. I was a bit unclear on licensing 15:28:38 zorkmoid [53e9af32@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.233.175.50] has joined #lisp 15:28:50 <|3b|> --dynamic-space-size 2Gb works here (on 64bit, dunno about 32) 15:29:04 <|3b|> you can set default value when compiling with same option 15:29:22 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:30:16 dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has joined #lisp 15:31:54 How do yo people normally store data associated with a user using CLOS? Like, (defclass user () ((name) (data :initform '()))), and then just add the stuff to data? Or like ... what is the normal common lisp way of doing that? I'm using cl-prevalence btw, if that helps with anything ... 15:33:47 -!- ltbarcly [~ltbarcly@pool-71-116-78-211.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:35:28 data like name, surname as slots maybe ? 15:36:59 and the special structure of the name and surname or so maybe as lists, strings, symbols or whatever you like ? 15:37:04 No, sorry for being unclear ... hehe.... data i mean with something that is multiple, say if you have a music index database or something over songs you have listened to ... like you've got lots of songs you have listened to ... or something like that 15:37:53 if it's huge a hash helps maybe.... 15:38:21 if it's below 1million you can use an array/vector 15:38:51 if it's over 1 million you can already start using a list, but if it's even much much greater then a hash i would say..... 15:39:05 So like, (defclass name () ((name) (music-list))) where music-list is some list or hash table? 15:39:47 burp, i think easiest for you would be to make it a list 15:39:54 zorkmoid: I find it's often helpful to design the functions first, and the supporting bits for them afterwards. Sometimes that means defclass, sometimes it means something else. 15:39:58 Euthy [~euthy@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #lisp 15:43:16 and you might decide on exact storage based on how you will keep the data on disk.. 15:43:48 grettke [~grettke@CPE-70-92-11-221.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:44:55 zorkmoid_ [53e9af32@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.233.175.50] has joined #lisp 15:45:19 When the functions are the first thing, you can fake the results with simple things at first (e.g. just stuff everything into a global hash table or something), and then get more sophisticated as needed. 15:45:34 Thank you Xach, p_l... I usually design the data structures first ... 15:46:20 And was hoping that one could just do some magic using defclass, and inheritence .. but ok.. 15:46:47 zorkmoid: welcome to Lisp! 15:48:04 I was thinking that it would be cool to be able to do: (defclass user () ((name) (email) (password))), and then (defclass music-list (user) ...) or whatever . .... I enjoy using dots today .... 15:48:47 it's not just lisp .. with any good OOP, CLOS or otherwise, your public interface should come first :P 15:48:48 you'd subclass music-list off of user? *twitch* 15:48:55 ltbarcly [~ltbarcly@pool-71-116-78-211.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:49:14 dlowe: it's a new era .. social design! 15:49:15 ;/ 15:49:39 fourier [~fourier@fsf/member/fourier] has joined #lisp 15:50:04 oGMo: Good god man! You've got the Next Big Thing!! 15:50:41 (with-open-file (stream-in "./scr-utf-8.txt" 15:51:00 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-123-199.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:52:24 Is that going to use the current directory? 15:52:44 drl: it will merge with *default-pathname-defaults* 15:52:50 No need to use ./ 15:53:16 maxm [~user@unaffiliated/maxm] has joined #lisp 15:53:24 Xach: thanks. 15:53:58 was there clx update in latest quicklisp? 15:54:20 maxm: no 15:54:34 *maxm* is getting weirdest kind of "mouse stuck in capture" thing with stumpwm just last 2-3 days, only correlation I can find is quicklisp update was done 15:54:37 -!- zorkmoid_ [53e9af32@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.233.175.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:54:39 hmm must be something else then 15:55:09 i thought stumpwm updated, but i guess not 15:55:37 stumpwm is local coz I have lots of changes, but it uses QL provided clx 15:56:18 gonna hunt more, could be teamspeak too.. seams to be happenning when I press mid mouse button (which is my push to talk) in in-active window.. anyway offtopi 15:58:23 -!- ltbarcly [~ltbarcly@pool-71-116-78-211.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:04:02 any chance sexml can be updated in QL? only git version from a few weks ago supports CCL 16:04:17 jjkola [~jjkola@212-226-56-230-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has joined #lisp 16:04:21 -!- paolo_m [~user@2-228-95-110.ip190.fastwebnet.it] has left #lisp 16:04:38 ifnspifn [~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102] has joined #lisp 16:04:45 axion: just git clone it into local-projects until the next QL update? 16:05:05 yeah it has been actually...the only one there 16:05:06 fourier1 [~fourier@fsf/member/fourier] has joined #lisp 16:06:43 -!- fourier [~fourier@fsf/member/fourier] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:07:41 gr3ttke [~grettke@CPE-70-92-11-221.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:08:28 -!- chimay [~chimay@unaffiliated/chimay] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0-dev] 16:08:46 /me locks his mouse on lappy..... 16:08:57 heh 16:09:03 axion: it was updated on sunday 16:09:04 -!- grettke [~grettke@CPE-70-92-11-221.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:10:06 from git 16:10:18 oh nice thanks 16:10:50 ltbarcly1 [~ltbarcly@pool-71-116-78-211.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:12:12 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.60.227] has joined #lisp 16:12:12 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.60.227] has quit [Changing host] 16:12:12 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 16:13:23 -!- ferada [~ferada@dslb-088-068-155-195.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:15:34 -!- ltbarcly1 [~ltbarcly@pool-71-116-78-211.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:18:37 jewel [~jewel@105-236-120-96.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:19:38 ltbarcly1 [~ltbarcly@pool-71-116-78-211.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:21:06 I really need a new chair .. 16:22:09 Joreji [~thomas@67-235.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 16:22:12 atsidi [~nkraft_@mail.tai.edu] has joined #lisp 16:22:12 *wbooze* sends the chairy fee over! 16:22:27 lol 16:22:45 hehe 16:23:17 -!- hypno [~hypno@impulse2.gothiaso.com] has left #lisp 16:25:38 Anyone tried one of these? http://www.varierfurniture.com/Collections/Work/Wing-balans-R 16:25:44 scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has joined #lisp 16:26:10 -!- scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has quit [Client Quit] 16:26:15 -!- zorkmoid [53e9af32@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.233.175.50] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:26:22 scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has joined #lisp 16:26:59 ams: I hear good things about kneeling chairs, but the problem for me is that they tend to distribute more weight onto my knees 16:27:04 (which hurts, after a while) 16:27:24 ams: I have. They take some getting used to and I'm not sure there was ever any benefit 16:27:36 The one I had wasn't adjustable either 16:27:40 -!- scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has quit [Client Quit] 16:27:53 scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has joined #lisp 16:27:56 /me hasn't tried one, but heard reports of them causing knee problems 16:27:59 not baiiid! 16:28:00 bah 16:28:11 standing seems good too 16:28:17 not even with a motor controlled by a raspberry pi running lisp 16:28:18 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 16:28:20 sitting seems to screw up my blood circulation 16:28:35 dlowe: ahaha, nice way to swing things back on topic (: 16:29:07 antifuchs: Nod, My prefered position is though to stand on the knees. E.g. I take a pillow and just stand kneeling .. 16:29:10 speaking of which, what's the lisp status on the rPi? 16:29:32 dlowe: rainer joswig got ccl to build (slowly), I believe 16:29:38 dlowe: Well, I have a really horirble garden chair right now... it is painful. :-) 16:30:37 thedeadghost: I can't stand though, my feet start hurting like mad, and my back gets sore, sometimes so bad that I need to get high on painkillers and stay home. 16:30:59 clearly, we need anti-gravity work spaces 16:31:11 I'm thinking about getting a steelcase leap chair 16:31:16 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:31:16 since those are $150 used 16:31:20 and look to be in good condition 16:31:24 we just need spaceflight 16:31:27 -!- ltbarcly1 [~ltbarcly@pool-71-116-78-211.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:31:27 haven't tried high end chairs yet though 16:31:37 *phrixos* splashed on an HM embody 16:31:41 <3 16:31:46 advantage is that we've actually sent people to space, but antigrav is still science fiction 16:33:44 -!- gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:34:11 -!- ifnspifn [~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102] has quit [Quit: ifnspifn] 16:34:15 thedeadghost: A what? 16:34:47 ams, http://www.amazon.com/Leap-Chair-Steelcase-Fully-Adjustable/dp/B000LSME00 16:34:48 that thing 16:35:05 Oh, nice 16:35:18 Can you adjust the curvature on the back? 16:35:35 don't know 16:35:43 plan to get one some time 16:35:54 since used is fairly cheap 16:36:01 and my current chair is garbage 16:36:09 same goes for aerons 16:36:30 best chair is doc's chair! 16:36:35 lol 16:36:37 Doc's chair? 16:36:49 ifnspifn [~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102] has joined #lisp 16:37:59 oubiwann [~oubiwann@c-98-207-167-39.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:42:53 -!- Joreji [~thomas@67-235.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:43:35 -!- steffi_s 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so it's the compile time value 18:50:22 kennyd [~kennyd@93-136-123-242.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 18:50:36 heh 18:51:08 i mean it gets's fixed when bootstrapping..... 18:51:15 p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has joined #lisp 18:51:19 baaah 18:51:57 m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.228.255] has joined #lisp 18:53:09 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 18:54:48 findiggle1 [~kirkwood@173-10-106-172-BusName-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 18:56:01 -!- findiggle [~kirkwood@173-10-106-172-BusName-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:59:39 PuercoPop [~user@190.41.173.174] has joined #lisp 19:04:18 CampinSam [~user@24-176-98-39.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 19:04:56 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-181.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:05:25 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-181.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:06:58 p_l|backup [~pl@web1.rootnode.net] has joined #lisp 19:12:40 pnpu1f 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Also, it doesn't make sense that it doesn't compile with -march=armv6, and needs -march=armv7-a, even on softfp armv6 rpi 19:32:29 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 19:36:34 -!- atsidi [~nkraft_@184.75.210.42] has quit [Quit: Leaving, leaving, gone...] 19:36:48 -!- replore [~replore@FLH1Abd153.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:37:00 -!- pnpu1f [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 19:37:06 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-132-136.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:37:17 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 19:37:59 SanderM [~quassel@195.169.216.170] has joined #lisp 19:39:45 -!- HG` [~HG@wprt-4d09a79a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:41:45 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-132-136.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:44:12 francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has joined #lisp 19:45:59 -!- ANDRES2 [~ANDRES1@201.209.38.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:46:12 -!- msmith0957 [~Mike@n2-99-95.dhcp.drexel.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:46:14 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-243-129.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:46:23 daniel1 [~ANDRES1@201.209.38.229] has joined #lisp 19:47:01 ionthas [~user@43.Red-2-138-129.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 19:47:05 -!- daniel1 is now known as ANDRES2 19:56:55 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:57:40 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:59:18 -!- keltvek [~keltvek@89-212-113-105.static.t-2.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:00:18 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:00:21 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-243-129.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:08:22 -!- nlpplz [~nlpplz@24-176-224-131.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:11:03 -!- thedeadghost [~deadghost@71-84-68-72.dhcp.rvsd.ca.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:11:12 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@lns-c10k-ft-02-t2-89-83-137-164.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:12:22 msmith0957 [~Mike@n2-99-95.dhcp.drexel.edu] has joined #lisp 20:16:26 so, i have this function: http://paste.lisp.org/display/132755 20:16:43 its supposed to recurse up the tree, appending each nodes move, to path 20:17:02 ifnspifn [~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102] has joined #lisp 20:17:13 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 20:17:16 but, i suppose that when the function recurses out the last time, the path is the value it was BEFORE recursing in, instead of the result 20:17:37 is there a better way i can do this? (and one which works) 20:17:51 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 20:18:34 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-245.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:19:06 does nodes walking make sense, i mean doesn't that alter the structure wholesale of the trees ? 20:19:19 oh man 20:20:08 do you keep track of states ? 20:20:10 hm, so this only executed once i found my solution state 20:20:12 maybe try rewriting it in a more functional style. it's quite confusing right now, and I don't think push works like how you think. 20:20:33 -!- mpstyler [~mpstyler@176.73.151.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:20:35 Also, you don't need the progn. 20:20:36 perhaps not, i thought it pushes the given element to the list, and returns the new list 20:21:00 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-243-129.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:21:04 ok 20:21:24 Yes, but for example (let ((x nil)) (funcall (lambda (x) (push 4 x)) x) x) => NIL 20:21:26 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-243-129.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:22:50 (push x y) basically expands to (setf y (cons x y)). 20:24:06 thats what i thought it did.. am i misusing it ? 20:24:43 -!- ionthas [~user@43.Red-2-138-129.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:24:59 msmith0957: it alters a binding, it doesn't mutate an existing object. 20:25:02 I mean, your recursive call to solution doesn't alter the path. 20:27:14 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.228.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:27:21 -!- kmels [~kmels@p579D142C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20:27:25 nlpplz [~nlpplz@24-176-224-131.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 20:27:25 I think you want something more like... (defun solution (node) (let (path) ((node node (pnode-parent node))) ((null node) path) (push (pnode-move node) path)))) 20:28:12 kmels [~kmels@p579D142C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:30:01 -!- francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has quit [Quit: francisl] 20:30:24 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:35:07 -!- `fogus [~fogus@burke-matrex.d-a-s.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:35:16 sellout42 [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has joined #lisp 20:38:09 Should I be able to use extended forms like (METHOD PRINT-OBJECT (STATE T)) in SLIME's find definition? 20:38:18 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl6-61-114.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 20:42:03 Bike: what does ((node node (pnode-parent node))) do ? 20:43:37 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:43:59 Er, that was supposed to be a do loop, sorry. 20:44:17 -!- wolgo [~user@70-35-57-218.static.wiline.com] has quit [Quit: 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quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:05:34 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:06:01 I've been programming in lisp for data management since 2009 on and off, and i never used CLOS. isn't that weird? 22:07:15 -!- gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 22:07:30 <_tca> i dont think so 22:08:24 bizarre! 22:08:27 -!- My_Hearing [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:08:28 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 22:08:31 that probably depends on how you define CLOS .. i'd be surprised if you've never caused print-object to be invoked 22:08:38 Patzy [~something@bro29-1-82-245-180-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 22:09:11 hilbert [~Hilbert@adsl-89-217-79-74.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 22:10:19 oGMo, never used defclass, defmethod etc... not even the non-clos defstruct... i wonder when does someone need clos? 22:11:26 -!- Janthinidae [~tom@203-65.62-81.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 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[~fiveop@dslb-178-002-124-003.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: humhum] 22:22:43 i would ke to use at least structs more often, I'll remember that when i start a new program 22:25:07 antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has joined #lisp 22:26:12 Bacteria [~Bacteria@2001:388:608c:946:c178:bcaa:b980:860] has joined #lisp 22:27:25 -!- billitch_ [~billitch@bastille.ma3.tv] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:29:09 wolgo [~user@70-35-57-218.static.wiline.com] has joined #lisp 22:29:43 Do you think a lisp program that creates python programs would be a worthwhile pursuit? 22:29:59 I want to program in lisp but my company only uses python, c and java 22:30:35 Or, if there is something already built it would be nice to know about it. 22:30:41 Google is not revealing anything. 22:30:44 a lisp to python translator? 22:30:59 yeah 22:31:38 a lisp to java already exists 22:31:40 CLPython 22:31:50 I guess I did not read enough search results 22:32:06 clpython is not a translator 22:32:18 it's not what you want 22:32:23 CLPython just runs a mostly useless subset of Python inside Common Lisp. 22:33:14 Posterdati no not useless, primitive and limited is more accurate 22:33:22 oh okay 22:33:47 yeah I would like to just write lisp and have it spit out python 22:33:52 lisp to c would be great 22:33:53 francogrex: :) 22:34:07 rk[aft] [~karason@opensource.cse.ohio-state.edu] has joined #lisp 22:34:13 -!- bjorkintosh [~bjork@ip68-13-229-200.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:34:18 -!- Patzy [~something@bro29-1-82-245-180-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:34:32 in lisp, how do i escape a quote to evaluate a particular argument? 22:34:37 postfuturist i meant, tyou all have similar names 22:34:38 there are some dialects that compile to C i think, at least scheme stuff 22:34:57 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:35:01 <_tca> rk[aft]: http://weitz.de/cl-interpol/ 22:35:08 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35:17 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.133] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:35:21 Patzy [~something@bro29-1-82-245-180-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 22:36:23 oh and there are sure a bunch of lisp interpreter written in python, but mostly toys 22:36:39 nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-229-129.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:39:03 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-181.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:39:27 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@63.133.198.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:39:39 -!- bitonic [~user@5e0f8472.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:39:40 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-4d0b06fe.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:40:00 If you work with other programmers, do them a favor and write normal, human generated Python. Python has a lot of shortcomings, and it's no Lisp, but it has an abundant selection of 3rd party libs to do just about anything. 22:40:03 wolgo: only python, c and java?... sounds familiar 22:40:19 and yes, what postfuturist said 22:40:50 -!- nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-229-129.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:41:07 though there might be places to slip generate code in (mostly in places where you want code generated from spec, or better, have a library implementing some spec for both java and C and python, without using Java FFI 22:41:11 nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-229-129.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:42:28 Yeah. I knew what the right answer was. I just needed someone else to be the voice of reason. 22:42:56 I am generating all of the api library functions with lisp. It is pretty cool 22:43:07 I am the only one using it though. 22:43:15 why do they only allow c, java and python? 22:43:30 That is what everyone knows 22:43:51 and most seem to suffer from "UGH PARENTHESES!" 22:44:00 Rather than actually investigating the facts of Lisp. 22:44:07 *wolgo* is a lisp noob 22:44:15 well most people don't know how to programm at all, so we better don't programm at all 22:44:16 so take what I am saying for what it is worth 22:44:37 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:46:00 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 22:46:14 The lisp I have written is about 1/20th of the amount of python I would have written and much less java than I would have needed to write. 22:46:22 But that is mostly because I am a bad programmer. 22:46:55 wolgo: i'm one of those! 22:47:17 if people hate to learn new stuff they should learn common lisp, at least they can be sure the spec doesn't change and they never need to learn something new ;) 22:47:41 urandom__: yeah right, lisp is the ever-learner's language 22:47:47 lambda is the tao 22:47:59 understand lambda and understand the secrets of the lower mysteries 22:48:08 understand php & understand how to make a few bucks 22:48:19 by which i mean two dollars 22:48:24 -!- hilbert [~Hilbert@adsl-89-217-79-74.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 22:48:28 -!- rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:49:05 haha 22:49:23 _tca: thanks for the reference but i don't mean this " i mean (quote) quote 22:50:00 i had to code in java for one year and it was so painfull that i am not going to code in any insane lang for the rest of my live, really cant take it 22:50:04 -!- estefani [~canaima@190.200.20.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:50:16 urandom__: i applaud your convictions 22:50:34 urandom__: i bet you feel a bit dirty etc. it's okay, it comes off with lambda & a loofa 22:52:18 moreover, i am asking. if i (quote) a list, how can i force evaluation of a particular symbol in the list? 22:53:20 jlongster [~user@pool-98-117-94-43.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:53:36 -!- Jubb [~ghost@pool-108-28-0-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:53:58 rk[aft]: maybe backquote the list and use , to get the value of some variable in the list? 22:54:06 I am not sure what you are asking 22:55:09 ah 22:55:11 i think that is it 22:55:13 so `(defun change-some-things (a-function ,path)) 22:55:20 or something like that 22:55:23 i was thinking 22:55:26 estefani [~canaima@190.200.20.138] has joined #lisp 22:55:27 in a macro 22:55:38 it was '(blah blah `blah) 22:55:47 nah 22:55:49 because i recall remembering backquote 22:55:53 but that makes sense thanks! 22:56:45 Hey, glad I could help. 22:57:29 -!- kmels [~kmels@p579D142C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:59:27 -!- estefani [~canaima@190.200.20.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:01:07 -!- dotemacs [u801@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ybczequthcpyzoav] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 23:02:47 -!- francogrex [~francogre@109.130.107.167] has quit [] 23:05:32 Sorella_ [~quildreen@189-12-88-245.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #lisp 23:09:04 -!- Sorella [~quildreen@189-12-88-245.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:09:19 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-136-123-242.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:09:50 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@2001:388:608c:946:c178:bcaa:b980:860] has quit [Quit: Bacteria] 23:10:18 -!- findiggle1 [~kirkwood@173-10-106-172-BusName-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:11:32 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:15:43 -!- ANDRES2 is now known as ANDRES1 23:22:07 -!- Demosthenex [~Demosthen@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:23:44 Demosthenex [~Demosthen@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 23:25:52 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:26:34 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 23:26:37 estefani [~canaima@190.200.20.138] has joined #lisp 23:27:31 victor_lowther [~victor.lo@63.133.198.91] has joined #lisp 23:28:40 -!- jlongster [~user@pool-98-117-94-43.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:29:09 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:34:25 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 23:36:51 mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has joined #lisp 23:37:04 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 23:39:03 mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 23:41:57 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:42:45 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 23:47:43 findiggle [~kirkwood@50-194-56-154-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 23:48:39 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:55:27 -!- tfb [~tfb@a1.norwich.yourspac.nsdsl.net] has quit [Quit: sleeping] 23:59:02 -!- mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:59:51 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]