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How do I fix this? 05:36:06 joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lisp 05:36:20 doomlord [~doomlord3@host81-157-102-115.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 05:36:34 (This is to use SWANK/SLIME with Stumpwm, to control it from Emacs.) 05:37:03 -!- paul0 [~user@177.132.100.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:37:44 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 05:37:57 woddf2, add the qlisp init scripts to your sbcl rc 05:38:08 reactormonk: I did. It chokes on that. 05:38:28 woddf2, use clisp? 05:38:52 What do you mean it chokes? 05:38:58 reactormonk: Other than that... 05:39:06 Bike: It gives me that error message I mentioned. 05:39:24 -!- Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:40:01 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-51-244.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:41:03 well, load the setup file, and then run add-to-init-file, I suppose 05:42:17 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:43:33 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-51-244.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 05:44:27 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 05:44:30 -!- Kvaks [~quassel@95.161.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:44:42 -!- lolprog [~let@94-225-44-126.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:46:02 -!- peterhil 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06:15:36 generally align the first parameters in function calls across lines 06:15:43 and indent by two spaces for macro calls 06:16:02 moore33 [~moore@ABordeaux-153-1-4-180.w92-146.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 06:16:32 the rules are pretty simple, but it's still easiest to just use a lisp aware editor 06:16:52 considering it's among the world's simplest language to indent automatically 06:17:13 yeah, i'm trying to figure out if sublime has such a mode 06:17:39 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:17:49 i suppose i could switch to emacs, but id rather not learn a new editor before submitting this thing 06:18:09 you could use lispworks ide or clozure's (emacs based, but far simpler) ide 06:18:18 sabalaba [~Adium@2602:306:cfc8:8c30:b8fc:e5ea:e0f0:db97] has joined #lisp 06:19:00 -!- Kvaks_ [~quassel@95.161.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:19:02 try searching for common lisp on github 06:19:25 since most libraries had their forms indented automatically, most are indented correctly 06:19:48 ah, ok 06:19:59 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:20:01 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 06:20:15 -!- sabalaba [~Adium@2602:306:cfc8:8c30:b8fc:e5ea:e0f0:db97] has quit [Client Quit] 06:20:18 you'll eventually want to get familiar with an environment specialized to lisp development though 06:20:58 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:21:26 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-51-244.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:21:49 -!- zulu_inuoe_ [~zulu_inuo@172.223.99.115] has left #lisp 06:22:27 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:22:32 i was just starting to realy enjoy using sublime :/ but i think you're right 06:22:48 you'll really enjoy par edit once you get past the learning curve 06:23:13 Kvaks 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thought sublime was mac only for some reason 06:27:56 -!- ifnspifn [~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102] has quit [Quit: ifnspifn] 06:28:21 -!- [SLB] is now known as [SLB]` 06:28:48 i think it may have started on mac, but its on windows/linux/mac now 06:28:48 in that case, just... god speed and good luck. try not to give yourself rsi, emacs key combos sometimes require some serious finger acrobatics 06:29:37 yeah, i'm not trying to go nuts with it for now, just want an editor that deals with lisp a little nicer 06:30:12 -!- Kvaks [~quassel@95.161.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:31:06 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:31:21 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-51-244.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 06:32:01 it'll probably feel like a downgrade from sublime at first, but if you're willing to put the time in it's a very capable editor 06:32:32 the thing i find most annoying is relearning all these key mappings 06:33:01 i switch back and forth between eclipse, matlab, sublime. its a nightmare lol 06:33:09 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 06:33:38 it's an editor with a huge learning curve but it's rewarding 06:33:47 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 06:34:16 p, b, f, n is to move around.. 06:34:19 who came up with that 06:34:26 previous back forward next 06:34:27 at least i j k l makes sense 06:34:30 people on very old machines. 06:34:42 -!- spacefrogg^ is now known as spacefrogg 06:35:00 you get used to it 06:35:20 I use the arrow keys. 06:35:30 you'll find emacs keybindings are built into places where you least expect 06:35:38 I don't use the arrow keys anymore 06:35:41 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 06:36:11 i feel like if emacs was one of the few editors i use, i could invest in the time to nail down these strokes, but i just need to get to work lol 06:36:43 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 06:36:45 great thing about learning an editor like emacs or vim is that you can use it in your ssh sessions 06:37:01 so you always have all that power at your fingertips 06:37:16 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:37:24 well, there are other great things too obviously 06:38:43 I had to pick up and put down emacs many times before I finally decided to put in the work to learn it 06:39:12 mostly work in lisp ? 06:39:30 now I'm reasonably competent with it but I feel I'm just at the tip of the iceberg 06:39:48 when I'm in emacs it's mostly for lisp 06:39:50 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 06:40:05 msmith0957: lisp indentation is pretty easy, though. two spaces for body forms of a macro, match arguments of functions, don't put parentheses on their own lines, bla bla bla 06:40:09 I do use other text editors (textmate) sometimes... less these days though. 06:40:24 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 06:40:33 and definitely not for lisp 06:40:51 what do you mean by match args of functions 06:41:04 in regard to indentation 06:41:13 Like.... 06:41:18 (some-function foo 06:41:28 bar) 06:41:37 https://gist.github.com/3897579 06:42:08 if some function were a macro, however..... 06:42:43 might look like this: https://gist.github.com/3897583 06:43:00 first is aligned parameters, second is two spaces 06:43:12 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-181.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:43:54 if it's the body. 06:44:16 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:44:17 right, actually important to point that out 06:44:45 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 06:44:52 lovely thing about an environment like emacs though is you don't have to think, it just knows... not that it's particularly complicated as indentation schemes go 06:45:00 something like multiple-value-bind might be indented differently, for example 06:45:59 that being said I never could get emacs to indent my loop macros properly... that's part of the reason I switched to iterate 06:46:11 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 06:46:23 properly being a subjective thing 06:46:24 that seems prety fundamental 06:46:25 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 06:46:50 thing with lisp is you can define your own languages in it 06:47:07 so it's impossible for your environment to *always* know how to indent your stuff "just so" 06:47:58 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 06:48:00 joekarma: emacs only or emacs with slime? 06:48:10 emacs + slime 06:48:29 joekarma: for me, emacs with slime indents just right. 06:48:30 ok. 06:48:32 the way slime indents loop is adequate for me. 06:48:52 I think you can adjust slime's indentation parameters, actually. 06:49:27 it's not really a major complaint. the things I don't like about it are super nitpicky, really 06:49:40 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 06:49:42 ok. afk now. later! 06:49:52 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:49:59 cibs [~cibs@219-87-142-18.static.tfn.net.tw] has joined #lisp 06:50:01 later 06:50:16 Kvaks [~quassel@95.161.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 06:50:25 kdas__ [~kdas@114.143.167.51] has joined #lisp 06:50:25 -!- kdas__ [~kdas@114.143.167.51] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:50:51 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:51:07 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:52:02 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 06:52:50 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 06:53:41 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 06:54:06 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.13.130] has joined #lisp 06:54:06 -!- attila_lendvai 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07:00:15 Kvaks [~quassel@95.161.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 07:00:37 -!- Bike [~Glossina@65-100-32-102.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: dead] 07:01:51 joekarma: what do you think about racket ? 07:02:38 I like it, but I'm biased towards Common Lisp 07:02:49 don't know enough about Racket to say Common Lisp is objectively superior 07:02:51 but for me it is 07:02:54 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:03:18 Racket has a wonderful environment to learn in, I think 07:03:21 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 07:03:32 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:04:41 my completely unscientific, highly subjective hierarchy of "lisps" goes something like this: Common Lisp > Racket > Clojure 07:04:45 for no particular reason 07:05:30 if I couldn't use common lisp I'd probably use racket though, and if that fell through, might give Clojure a shot. Then, I don't know... 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I gave haskell a pretty specific mention in my post. 08:09:48 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:10:01 callen: which one is yours? 08:10:04 jdz: namely that Haskell was unique in being the only language that really taught me something in the last half-decade, but I didn't feel the loss in flexibility of expression was worth what it offered in return. 08:10:08 jdz: I'm codewright. 08:11:46 i find your pile comments incomprehensible pile of random ranting 08:11:50 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 08:11:55 yeah, two piles 08:12:08 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 08:12:36 callen: really, what's your point? wouldn't one or two paragraphs suffice? 08:12:59 jdz: Not really. Would it explain things if I said I lost a few years of my life to philosophizing before refocusing on code? 08:13:23 jdz: to leave things out would leave obvious, unanswered questions and potential strawmen. on Hacker News...your guard must always be up. 08:13:53 jdz: tl;dr nothing substantially more powerful than Common Lisp has come along. save for haskell, which has an egregious flexibility trade-off, recent languages have been side-grades. 08:13:59 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-049-189.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:14:21 jdz: just do as others have done, and skim the comment if it doesn't suit you to read it at length. 08:14:29 callen: so how it is all related to the ruby optimization article? 08:14:33 Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 08:14:52 jdz: the performance issues are from accessibility, not raw expressive power. 08:15:04 relative to equally expressive or more expressive 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Last time I googled forth a log analyzer it could take a field or regexp and do stats on. Would work on any kind of log. I don't remember what it was, but google for apache log analyzer and you'll get something worth your while. 12:00:00 Would have prefered something I could easilly use from within a world .. 12:03:24 -!- homie [~homie@xdsl-78-35-159-208.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:10:33 are there some resources for developing simple graphical apps with the CCL Coca Bridge? 12:11:00 dim: did you look at the clozure wiki and the example programs? 12:12:01 Yuuhi [benni@p5483B4ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 12:13:07 -!- kilon [~user@178.59.17.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:13:32 yes, and I managed to run them from either the CCL AppStore application and Emacs/Slime 12:13:39 that's a good start 12:16:18 paul0 [~user@201.86.65.58.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 12:18:41 -!- mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:20:13 ISTR that there's a ruby html parser for lisp ... does anyone 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#lisp 14:58:38 if an (or (call-1) (call-2) (call-3) (call-4)) returns NIL, all functions should have been called - right? or is there an issue with multiple return values? 14:59:51 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn1216-121.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:01:14 jnbek|wc [~jnbek@74-220-196-113.bluehost.com] has joined #lisp 15:01:14 -!- jnbek|wc [~jnbek@74-220-196-113.bluehost.com] has quit [Changing host] 15:01:14 jnbek|wc [~jnbek@pdpc/supporter/active/jnbek] has joined #lisp 15:02:07 flip214: There's no issue with return values, the OR only looks at the first (primary) value returned by each function. 15:03:03 so all functions here should be called? 15:03:05 fullenergy [~energy@219.217.128.90] has joined #lisp 15:03:26 -!- jnbek|wc [~jnbek@pdpc/supporter/active/jnbek] has quit [Client Quit] 15:03:46 flip214: There might be an issue if the compiler is very smart. If call-2 is defined as: (defun call-2 () nil) there's no reason to actually call it. 15:03:47 -!- strobegen [~strobegen@64.120.223.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:04:15 But generally yes, all the calls are made. 15:04:33 No, there is no guarantee for that. 15:04:58 Each form is evaled one at a time until one returns true. 15:05:27 -!- antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:05:31 -!- mog_ [52e1e01b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.225.224.27] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:05:37 ams: In flip214's case the entire form has returned NIL. 15:05:47 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-094-218-037-195.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:06:48 fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-094-218-037-195.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 15:07:34 strz [~strobegen@64.120.223.138] has joined #lisp 15:07:50 -!- strz is now known as strobegen 15:09:23 replore_ [~replore@FLH1Abd153.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #lisp 15:10:02 reb: Sure, but there is no guarantee for that; a sufficiantly smart compiler could do magic. 15:12:10 jdz [~jdz@85.254.212.34] has joined #lisp 15:12:33 -!- findiggle [~kirkwood@50-194-56-154-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:13:12 findiggle [~kirkwood@173-10-106-172-BusName-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 15:13:41 _d3f [~d3f@46.183.216.234] has joined #lisp 15:14:24 catmtking [~catmtking@wireless-mobilenet-169-235-148-83.bulk.ucr.edu] has joined #lisp 15:14:45 steffi_s [~marioooh@x-132-204-243-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has joined #lisp 15:15:10 ams: I also mentioned that to flip214. 15:15:37 -!- c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-lketqaktuvrizmnr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:17:12 -!- findiggle [~kirkwood@173-10-106-172-BusName-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:17:28 -!- fullenergy [~energy@219.217.128.90] has left #lisp 15:18:06 smazga [~acrid@li336-165.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 15:19:08 If I change the (OR ...) to (find #'identity (list ...)) the functions get called ... hrmpf. 15:19:47 ah, but talking to other people helps ... I think I found the bug. 15:20:17 -!- nullman [~nullman@c-75-73-150-26.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:21:04 findiggle [~kirkwood@173-10-106-172-BusName-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 15:23:53 I wonder if anyone write common lisp code with upper case letters any more ... 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Perhaps, but who knows where the hobo goes when it snows? 17:43:01 Xach: You northerners have some weird idioms. 17:46:23 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-181.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:46:25 eldar [~CLD@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 17:48:47 -!- Joreji [~thomas@67-235.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:49:10 no one knows anything? :) 17:50:04 antifuchs: what stuff did you write a bug report for? :) 17:50:10 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-063-150.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:50:40 -!- steffi_s [~marioooh@x-132-204-243-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 17:55:01 ivan-kanis [~user@lns-c10k-ft-02-t2-89-83-137-164.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 17:59:39 mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has joined #lisp 18:02:49 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.21.170.142] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03:37 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-059-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 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standard parts, yes. you can get a lot of things done with the standard parts. 21:07:48 msmith0957: and for things that aren't standard, there are often portability libraries available. 21:08:05 msmith0957: most of the time. The standard library is very, very compatible, and if you use portability libs other stuff will get easier too 21:08:15 ok great 21:08:21 i think most of what i'm doing is very standard 21:08:49 -!- hiteki [~user@224.251.102.84.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:09:51 -!- ewandje [marcel.45@adsl196-74-66-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma] has quit [] 21:10:23 -!- dRbiG [~p@unhallowed.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:10:53 johan_ [~johan@d83-183-51-82.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 21:11:32 Hey guys, small question: in SLIME, how can I limit the number of characters of the return value that gets printed? So if I impose a 100-char limit and try to print a 200 digit number only 100 of those will show up along with a ... 21:12:14 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.89.116] has joined #lisp 21:13:27 johan_: there isn't a standard way 21:13:30 mjs2600 [~mjs2600@user-0c999kc.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 21:14:08 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@114-25-203-224.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:14:17 johan_: you can write your own REPL 21:14:46 *print-length* and/or *print-level* may be good enough. 21:14:56 sambio_ [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has joined #lisp 21:15:06 -!- sambio [~sambio@host116.190-228-67.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:15:07 s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-233-226.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 21:16:24 -!- bitonic [~user@host86-133-198-120.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:42 -!- atsidi [~nkraft_@184.75.210.42] has quit [Quit: Leaving, leaving, gone...] 21:17:04 bitonic [~user@host86-133-198-120.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 21:17:38 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:18:01 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 21:19:41 Question: when a condition occurs, is that condition available in the debugger for inspection? 21:19:48 (that is: in slime) 21:20:07 I don't think there's a cross platform spec for that, is there? 21:20:23 hiteki [~user@224.251.102.84.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 21:20:43 ehu: isn't condition object passed to handler? 21:20:57 -!- asvil [~user@ns.osvtl.spb.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:21:23 C in sldb mode 21:22:12 p_l: I'm looking at it from a user's perspective, not a slime developers perspective. 21:23:12 ehu: well, I think it is. Most of the time, the conditions I get in debugger don't have anything more meaningful than possible restart points, so I haven't looked into that 21:23:13 -!- bitonic [~user@host86-133-198-120.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:24:30 sambio [~sambio@host116.190-228-67.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 21:25:14 p_l: yea. but I have conditions which don't print all their info, because that's potentially pages long. 21:25:21 ehu: what Bike said 21:25:23 however, sometimes you want to inspect that info. 21:25:39 ok. that should help! 21:25:51 missed the relevance of the C remark. 21:26:13 fe[nl]ix: I chaned my *print-length*, there's no difference though.. I'm using SBCL 21:26:14 -!- sambio_ [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:27:01 -!- msmith0957 [~Mike@c-76-124-107-175.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:27:07 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.234.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:27:50 sambio_ [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has joined #lisp 21:28:57 ehu: C is bound to sldb-inspect-condition 21:28:59 -!- sambio [~sambio@host116.190-228-67.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:30:51 ehu: what I usually do is to go to the frame in case and run describe-mode 21:30:53 -!- nforgerit [~nforgerit@HSI-KBW-149-172-198-162.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: nforgerit] 21:32:09 -!- chturne [~chturne@78-105-198-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:33:14 -!- johan_ [~johan@d83-183-51-82.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:34:43 fe[nl]ix: ok. this is a bit new territory for me :-) 21:34:58 I've never used slime that way. 21:36:04 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 21:37:40 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:38:09 What am I doing wrong herer http://paste.lisp.org/display/132678 ? 21:38:23 s/herer/here/ 21:38:45 and is not a function. try (every '(t nil)) instead. 21:39:29 not quite 21:39:55 -!- syamajala [~syamajala@dyn-160-39-207-22.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:39:56 oh, every #'identity 21:41:23 ah, apparently (lambda (a b) (and a b)) also works. Where is this behavior defined? 21:42:22 msmith0957 [~Mike@n2-152-136.dhcp.drexel.edu] has joined #lisp 21:42:29 in the standard 21:42:31 -!- msmith0957 [~Mike@n2-152-136.dhcp.drexel.edu] has left #lisp 21:42:53 How can I show the source of a function in slime? 21:43:08 I guess that is a slime support question not a lisp question, sorry. 21:43:26 wolgo: M-. is the usual way to get to it 21:43:26 M-. 21:43:46 sepisult1um: but that's subtly and critically different 21:44:14 sepisult1um: functions always evaluate all their arguments, while AND does not necessarily 21:45:36 sepisult1um: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/m_and.htm notice that AND is a macro 21:46:35 see also http://lisptips.com/post/11608641449/how-do-i-apply-and 21:47:04 Man emacs is superior 21:47:08 so awesome 21:47:28 Thanks you guys. 21:47:28 wolgo: what are you comparing it to? 21:47:42 jasom: every text editor I have ever used. 21:48:00 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-094-218-037-195.pools.arcor-ip.net] 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