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01:22:04 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 01:22:36 paul0` [~user@200.146.126.143.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 01:24:32 -!- paul0 [~user@200.146.126.143.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:28:00 d3vnu11: you could make the system (not package, don't get these confused) known to asdf. 01:28:02 LiamH [~healy@pool-173-73-134-95.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:28:18 elderK [~k@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has joined #lisp 01:28:28 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:28:43 Bike: so like change asdf.lisp inside the quicklisp folder? 01:29:12 d3vnu11: no, no. if you check asdf's manual you can see various ways to deal with its searching. it's just a configuration thing. 01:29:47 d3vnu11: or for a quick option you could just symlink things appropriately. 01:30:24 ok Bike will check but as a concept why if you can do (ql:quickload "mygreatapp") if it is in the local-projects folders you can't do like (ql:quickload "path/to/create/app")¨ 01:30:38 or is that possible and i just don't know the magic ? 01:30:52 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 01:30:56 symlinkin it to the local-projects folder right ? 01:31:02 yeah. 01:31:35 which of it the .asd the package.lisp or just the whole folder ? 01:31:50 The folder with the .asd in it. 01:32:08 ok but it also has to use a different name than any other package there right ? 01:32:12 obviously I guess it is so 01:33:22 d3vnu11: oh, got a quicker option for you. push the directory name to ql:*local-project-directories*, and then probably call ql:register-local-projects 01:33:40 I've never used ql's local projects, so I'm just guessing here... 01:34:04 Bike: thanks a lot. How are you loading your stuff from outside the ql:local projects then ? 01:34:21 Bike: because that's essentially what I am trying to do :D 01:35:35 d3vnu11: reconfigured asdf. I just followed http://xach.livejournal.com/278047.html fairly blindly. 01:35:53 particularly "I like to set up ASDF2 to scan a particular directory tree, ~/src/lisp/, for local systems" and so on 01:35:58 knob [~knob@173.215.146.59] has joined #lisp 01:36:03 pspace [~andrew@204-195-74-206.wavecable.com] has joined #lisp 01:36:04 Good evening everyone =) 01:36:57 Xach: do you think "dangers of (optimize (safety 0) (speed 3))" would be a good lisptip? 01:37:56 encountered... "fun" with it 01:38:04 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:38:21 in hunchentoot, what's the best way to reset the easy-handler framework in your lisp image? 01:39:45 nydel [~jo@ip72-197-229-129.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:39:54 -!- nydel [~jo@ip72-197-229-129.sd.sd.cox.net] has left #lisp 01:40:05 such as: in my source, i change the name of a handler defined with (define-easy-handler new-name ...) to something i discover is more appropriate... 01:40:19 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 01:40:20 but the handler old-name remains 01:40:57 nydel [~jo@ip72-197-229-129.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:41:23 -!- nydel [~jo@ip72-197-229-129.sd.sd.cox.net] has left #lisp 01:41:44 nydel [~jo@ip72-197-229-129.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:47:57 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:48:27 yeee 01:48:31 symlink works :P 01:48:42 so probably IS the best 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flip214, now we have all the java hype \o/ 06:42:06 hmm, I'm not sure if I understood it correctly :-/ 06:44:03 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 06:50:33 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:50:42 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:53:42 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 06:58:36 nforgerit [~nforgerit@HSI-KBW-149-172-198-162.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 07:00:36 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:00:41 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:01:05 Tinybird [~deepenxu@60.166.86.144] has joined #lisp 07:02:35 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 07:06:34 -!- Tinybird [~deepenxu@60.166.86.144] has left #lisp 07:08:52 Whitesquall [~notwhites@109.225.53.243] has joined 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(apply #'max very-long-list) fucks up lisp. Why? 07:28:36 b__ [~basdirks@5352A3FB.cm-6-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lisp 07:28:53 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:28:57 francogrex: there is an implementation specific limitation on the maximum number of arguments that a function can accept 07:30:07 vkamenen [~user@canev79.pppoe.optic-com.eu] has joined #lisp 07:30:09 killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has joined #lisp 07:30:18 H4ns: for apply only right? because (reduce #'max very-long-list) is ok 07:30:36 francogrex: reduce and apply do very different things 07:30:37 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 07:30:46 The reduce version uses only two arguments 07:30:51 no, for any function. But reduce doesn't apply its function argument to its sequence argument 07:31:47 c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 07:32:52 -!- Jubb [~ghost@pool-108-28-0-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:35:35 I have a number of calls of this kind (some-call some-thing "string"). some-thing is unbound. How to convert some-thing to a string in a macro called some-call? 07:36:09 bitonic [~user@027cae25.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 07:36:28 vkamenen: you could use cl:string or cl:symbol-name 07:36:46 H4ns: thanks - let me try 07:37:11 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:40:02 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 07:40:06 H4ns: like this doesn't work: (defmacro some-call (a b) `(print (string ,a))) 07:41:24 piko [~piko@ip4-83-240-108-205.cust.nbox.cz] has joined #lisp 07:42:03 vkamenen: you want to evaluate cl:string at macroexpansion time, not compile time, i think. and you want to quote your symbol a 07:43:14 vkamenen: first and foremost, you'll probably spend some time reading "on lisp" or another text on macros and quasiquotation. 07:44:35 H4ns: true. Anyway, how shall I quote it? 07:44:55 -!- c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:45:16 vkamenen: by understanding how it works and then doing it right? 07:45:33 H4ns: :) ok, fine 07:46:14 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:46:59 eldar [~CLD@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 07:48:49 H4ns: damn it's easy (defmacro some-call (a b) (print (string a))) 07:49:13 vkamenen: if that is what you want? print the argument value at compile time? 07:49:52 H4ns: yes, that would do it 07:50:03 interesting. 07:50:04 -!- catmtking [~catmtking@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: catmtking] 07:50:27 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 07:50:57 vkamenen: i would have guessed that you're looking for (defmacro some-call (a b) `(print ,(string a))) 07:50:57 it's a long story: Emacs SES screwed my buffer and I'm recovering it 07:53:38 NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has joined #lisp 07:54:06 -!- NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has left #lisp 07:54:07 [6502] [4e0cf2ae@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.12.242.174] has joined #lisp 07:55:34 cornihilio [~user@nfmv001009234.uqw.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 07:55:51 Re-L [~Arttt@30-116-203-46.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 07:57:16 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:57:30 -!- p_nathan [~Adium@75.87.250.229] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:59:48 H4ns: it's a one time thing - so even my version will suffice, but you're right about onlisp 08:00:25 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 08:06:37 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:09:01 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 08:11:51 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-133-181.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has 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joined #lisp 09:50:00 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-183-130.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:51:29 http://paste.lisp.org/display/132560 ? 09:51:54 -!- homie_ [~homie@xdsl-78-35-183-130.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:53:35 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:54:47 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-145-225.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 09:56:07 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 09:56:45 the problem i want to solve -- i want the first ~A to be based on the outer iteration directive: http://paste.lisp.org/+2UA9 09:56:58 I'll be away now but if you have any suggestions please: "minion: memo for francogrex: bla bla bla". Thanks 09:58:07 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.111.30] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 10:00:47 agumonkey [~agu@206.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 10:02:34 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:05:10 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 10:06:45 robot-beethoven: as H4ns said: there's no support for that in standard CL. 10:09:15 c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 10:11:00 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:14:07 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 10:15:53 -!- PECCU [~peccu@KD106179020073.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 10:21:02 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:23:40 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 10:26:11 add^_ [~add^_@m37-3-60-26.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 10:26:24 freep88 [~andrea@host232-120-dynamic.42-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 10:29:34 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:32:18 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 10:34:18 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.204.174] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:35:16 -!- freep88 [~andrea@host232-120-dynamic.42-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:38:44 mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has joined #lisp 10:39:39 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:42:31 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 10:42:38 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-184-182.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:45:27 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl6-95-135.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 10:46:08 NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has joined #lisp 10:48:18 codeknit [~codeknit@triband-mum-120.60.47.192.mtnl.net.in] has joined #lisp 10:48:53 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:49:58 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-063-159.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 10:52:09 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 10:52:10 -!- NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has left #lisp 10:52:20 seems like the bug #936304 bugs still remains tho it's patched in sbcl-1.0.58 10:52:24 and the git one too 10:52:50 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.81.33] has joined #lisp 10:52:56 i tried patching, and it said it's already patched.. and wrote a .rej reject file 10:53:09 and that test fails again .... 10:53:11 meh 10:56:23 -!- Sorella_ [~quildreen@201-58-199-11.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:58:54 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-063-159.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:59:09 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:00:10 dbushenko [~dim@93.125.25.65] has joined #lisp 11:00:12 hi all! 11:00:31 how to read special keys like arrows, tab, control, shift, etc. from a console program? 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12:31:19 -!- cfy` [~cfy@122.228.135.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:31:55 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:32:08 Posterdati: before asking here, use google 12:32:34 I found this: http://cui.unige.ch/isi/bnf/LISP/BNFlisp.html 12:32:45 but I think it is not complete 12:32:50 Posterdati: google more 12:33:18 Posterdati: on the first page of the results, you'll find enough information to answer your question comprehensibly 12:34:09 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 12:36:44 -!- PuercoPo` [~user@190.41.173.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:38:20 rootlocus [~rootlocus@202-159-141-122.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 12:40:27 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:40:31 NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has joined #lisp 12:40:41 -!- NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has left #lisp 12:42:33 Sorella_ [~quildreen@201-58-199-11.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #lisp 12:42:34 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl21-77-90.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 12:42:54 -!- Sorella_ is now known as Sorella 12:43:06 -!- Sorella [~quildreen@201-58-199-11.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Changing host] 12:43:06 Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has joined #lisp 12:43:52 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 12:44:12 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:47:32 *mstevens* has a quicklisp/asdf question. I have my library I'm trying to write. It needs some dependencies that I've installed via quicklisp. Does it make sense to have ql:quickload calls in mylibrary.asd so it can find said dependencies? 12:48:02 mstevens: no 12:48:38 just put the system dependencies in your asdf file, ASDF will load them locally, or if QL is installed, get quicklisp to load them 12:50:08 p_l: ooh 12:50:08 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:50:50 p_l: I didn't think that was going to work. I don't think it did work before, but in hindsight, that was possibly before I actually got the asdf:defsystem done right 12:52:34 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 12:57:00 mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has joined #lisp 12:58:26 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:00:40 also, alexandria is pretty good if you ask me 13:00:43 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 13:01:26 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:06:25 jewel [~jewel@197.87.101.192] has joined #lisp 13:06:31 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@116.26.21.175] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9] 13:07:48 urandom__ [~user@p548A2A29.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:08:00 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:08:03 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@a109-51-35-232.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 13:09:07 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:10:20 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:13:14 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-181.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:13:51 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-145-225.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:14:31 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 13:16:53 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:17:26 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:19:17 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:19:58 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:24:01 stlifey [~stlifey@116.26.21.175] has joined #lisp 13:25:47 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:26:02 dabd [~dabd@a95-93-205-168.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 13:26:59 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@116.26.21.175] has quit [Client Quit] 13:27:08 -!- Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:27:56 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 13:28:52 -!- rootlocus [~rootlocus@202-159-141-122.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:28:59 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:30:52 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-181.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:35:13 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:38:05 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:44:30 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:44:30 -!- bitonic [~user@027cae25.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:45:13 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 13:45:27 -!- cornihilio [~user@nfmv001009234.uqw.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:46:47 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 13:47:11 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:48:11 d3vnu11 [~devnull@174-30.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 13:49:16 cfy` [~cfy@122.228.131.91] has joined #lisp 13:52:06 xpoqz [~xpoqz@203.80-203-124.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 13:52:28 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.50] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:53:39 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:56:23 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:56:48 -!- knob [~knob@173.215.146.59] has quit [] 14:02:47 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: Bye :)] 14:03:03 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:04:54 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@a109-51-35-232.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 14:06:29 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:08:14 moore33 [~moore@ABordeaux-153-1-14-196.w92-146.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 14:11:43 -!- sellout42 [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:12:02 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl21-77-90.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 14:12:24 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:13:49 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:15:34 tsinaip [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has joined #lisp 14:15:35 hello 14:15:45 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:15:46 is there a portable way of checking if a function takes zero or one argument? 14:15:55 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:15:58 -!- zodiac1111 [~zodiac111@124.90.129.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:16:39 bitonic [~user@dyn903-187.eduroam.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 14:16:56 no 14:18:45 [6502]: hi 14:18:48 flip214: hi 14:19:06 flip214: sys64000+700+30+8 14:19:09 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.99.141] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:19:18 -!- Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:21:09 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.97.54] has joined #lisp 14:21:30 https://gist.github.com/3888736 what am I doing wrong? :( 14:21:41 no way to check? that's a shame 14:22:04 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:22:07 but on a second thought it must be possible 14:22:14 or otherwise how could slime do it 14:23:36 cornihilio [~user@nfmv001009234.uqw.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:24:28 (member input '("tuna" "tunafish") :test 'equal) 14:24:37 or :test #'string= 14:24:39 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:25:27 ivan-kanis [~user@lns-c10k-ft-02-t2-89-83-137-164.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 14:26:56 p_nathan [~Adium@75.87.250.229] has joined #lisp 14:28:23 tsinaip: thanks a lot that worked 14:28:27 galdor: thanks too :) 14:28:40 welcome 14:31:05 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:31:50 tsinaip: I did this basically from the old one https://gist.github.com/3888759 is this the right way to do it or I could have done it with a OR 14:33:14 sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has joined #lisp 14:33:40 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:35:00 -!- chimay [~chimay@unaffiliated/chimay] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0-dev] 14:35:16 mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has joined #lisp 14:37:31 you could do it either way 14:37:57 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 14:38:39 tsinaip: in the first one how would I insert an OR ? :) sorry for the silly question but I did try and did not work and I have the book opened near me but can't figure out how to do it without member :) 14:39:04 (or (equal .. ) (equal .. )) 14:40:12 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 14:40:14 ah thanks a lot 14:41:13 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:41:33 is there a generalised data structure printer for *lisp ? 14:42:48 intinig [~user@151.78.145.29] has joined #lisp 14:43:10 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:44:24 -!- cornihilio [~user@nfmv001009234.uqw.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:48:16 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 14:49:40 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:50:33 -!- Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:50:41 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 14:51:06 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Client Quit] 14:51:25 vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.140.191] has joined #lisp 14:52:26 elixey [~eilyx@gateway/tor-sasl/eilyx] has joined #lisp 14:53:07 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:54:24 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:55:46 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 14:59:25 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:59:26 -!- nforgerit [~nforgerit@HSI-KBW-149-172-198-162.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: nforgerit] 15:01:56 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:02:06 peccu [~peccu@KD106179020073.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 15:02:13 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.81.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:03:28 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.230] has joined #lisp 15:04:51 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.97.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:05:05 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.140] has joined #lisp 15:08:47 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:12:06 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:12:08 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:13:48 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.1] 15:15:44 sellout42 [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has joined #lisp 15:17:25 Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has joined #lisp 15:18:23 -!- cfy` [~cfy@122.228.131.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:18:50 -!- d3vnu11 [~devnull@174-30.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19:04 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 15:19:04 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:19:10 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:21:18 -!- p_nathan [~Adium@75.87.250.229] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:22:07 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:23:39 vantage|2 [~vantage@109.131.140.191] has joined #lisp 15:23:39 -!- vantage|2 [~vantage@109.131.140.191] has quit [Client Quit] 15:23:48 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m37-3-60-26.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 15:24:23 p_nathan [~Adium@75.87.250.229] has joined #lisp 15:24:35 Kuloto [~user@m90-133-70-7.cust.tele2.ru] has joined #lisp 15:25:57 deech [~user@108.209.156.206] has joined #lisp 15:26:35 d3vnu11 [~devnull@174-30.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 15:26:46 Hi all, I was reading a lisp style guide that said that we should favor loop and dotimes over map or reduce. Why? 15:27:40 https://gist.github.com/3888886 :( doesn't work so I am sure I am doing something wrong in the OR just what ? :( 15:27:45 deech: Whats the tutorial? 15:27:48 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:28:00 killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has joined #lisp 15:29:53 sellout42: I can't find it right now. 15:30:04 sellout42: But does that make any sense? 15:30:49 deech: I'm curious as to whether there was more context. That is definitely not a style I follow. But I think you'll find a lot of differing opinions on LOOP, ranging from why iterate with anything else? to DIAF. 15:31:07 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:31:27 deech: the guide might have included extra context that might have escaped you while reading 15:31:41 p_l: Possibly. I'm a CL noob. 15:31:57 I'd say that you shouldn't shoehorn stuff that doesn't fit map/reduce into map/reduce 15:32:00 sellout42, p_l : Is it possibly related to efficiency? 15:32:15 deech: not necessarily 15:32:55 but sometimes a big LOOP might be better than tangled tree of map/reduce 15:33:33 p_l: True, I come from a functional background and tend to think of using map/reduce first. Good to know that I can just use what fits the problem. 15:34:06 deech: I try to use whatever involves typing the fewest tokens, until my profiler tells me thats too slow ;) 15:34:34 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@a109-50-242-171.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 15:34:50 So one possible downside I can see to using loop/do-times is that the debugger can't step through it. 15:36:16 brandonz [~brandon@24.38.179.215] has joined #lisp 15:36:19 p_l, sellout42 : Thanks for your input! 15:36:29 -!- jewel [~jewel@197.87.101.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:37:00 tsinaip: I guess I did something wrong in copying your hint? :X https://gist.github.com/3888886 15:37:13 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:37:48 chimay [~chimay@unaffiliated/chimay] has joined #lisp 15:37:48 fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-094-218-037-195.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 15:37:54 -!- Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:38:28 what's the nicest way to turn a list of lists into one list containing the elements of all the lists? 15:38:30 deech: Also, not all tutorials are created equal  plenty are written by people relatively new to the language themselves, which has both pros and cons (EG, they might phrase things in ways more familiar to a fellow noob, but they might also be a bit off with idioms and style). An intro that has proven to be popular with both noobs and seasoned lispers is PCL. 15:38:37 minion: PCL? 15:38:38 PCL: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 15:38:52 mstevens: ALEXANDRIA:FLATTEN, I think. 15:39:19 sellout42: that's reassuring, seeing that's what I ended up on :) but it feels vaguely heavyweight 15:40:08 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:40:18 mstevens: Don't worry about that until it shows up in your profiler. At that point, maybe you can submit a lighter version to Alexandria ;) 15:40:45 sellout42: well I tried something simple with mapcan, which worked nicely but felt a bit odd 15:41:23 maybe my intuition just needs further development 15:41:29 mstevens: Yeah, if you know you have a list of lists of not-lists, then it can be a bit simpler. 15:41:40 FLATTEN handles any arbitrarily-embedded lists. 15:41:54 d3vnu11: you need a book.. (if (or (equal ..) (equal ..)) ..) 15:42:36 mstevens: But again, until it's your bottleneck, don't fret. 15:42:44 see the Practical Common lisp link pasted above 15:44:12 sellout42: I'm just getting a vague feeling of Too Much Code (including the larger context this is in) 15:44:23 tsinaip: I have that but the examples for if member I see is only for numbers and without equal 15:44:34 mstevens: But if the code is in a library, you get to pretend it doesn't exist :) 15:45:01 :) 15:45:11 IE, a function someone else has written is always shorter than one you have to write. 15:45:13 tsinaip: thanks will try it now 15:46:30 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:47:15 -!- gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:47:27 https://gitorious.org/dmarc-tools/dmarc-tools/blobs/master/src/record-parser.lisp is what I'm working on 15:48:02 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn903-187.eduroam.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:48:28 bitonic [~user@dyn903-187.eduroam.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 15:48:58 mstevens: Minor style thing  ')' on their own line isn't really a thing. They're not like braces in C, etc. 15:49:03 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:49:24 on the book there isn't even a valid example with if (member just for the record or none I can find :) 15:49:49 SrPx [b185807a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.177.133.128.122] has joined #lisp 15:49:57 Any reader macro tutorial? 15:50:03 d3vnu11: Hopefully you don't need an example for every possible combination of forms. 15:50:59 sellout42: Hmm I've read that but apparently failed to apply it in actual code 15:51:05 sellout42: sure but perhaps is not very easy to do something for the web when 99% of the book gives you examples like if (member 1 '(3 4 5)) 15:51:41 -!- Kuloto [~user@m90-133-70-7.cust.tele2.ru] has quit [Quit: Virca 1.1.20] 15:51:42 Nevermind, found one that is enough 15:52:05 clhs member 15:52:05 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/a_member.htm 15:52:10 d3vnu11: ----^ 15:52:36 sellout42: is that gigamonkey book ? no so.. 15:52:47 -!- nullman [~nullman@c-75-73-150-26.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:52:56 sellout42: btw do you really think that what you pasted there is usable ? or was like a joke :) 15:53:01 sellout42: I feel like the parser gets excessively complicated but maybe that's just how cl-yacc code comes out 15:53:41 d3vnu11: The point is, if you read PCL, you will understand the general concepts of CL, at which point the CLHS will be usable. 15:53:44 same thing just numbers http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_mem_m.htm 15:54:14 sellout42: I agree but I did read PCL and there is zero explaining this or well may be I am too dumb for lisp 15:54:31 sellout42: I have the printed version of PCL and land of lisp in front of me 15:54:32 d3vnu11: But it follows the same :test/:key pattern as a dozen or more other CL functions, and you would be familiar with that if you read PCL. 15:54:37 mrSpec [~Spec@89-78-118-138.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 15:54:37 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@89-78-118-138.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Changing host] 15:54:37 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 15:54:53 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:54:55 nullman [~nullman@c-75-73-150-26.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:55:16 sellout42: I don't know but if you do anything for the web or you ever did in Ruby or PHP ...may be a conditional would be like if (whatever) OR and not (OR IF ) doh 15:56:07 NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has joined #lisp 15:56:41 d3vnu11: Well, in some languages IF is not an expression, so only IF-OR is valid, but in CL, you could do either, but they mean different things. 15:56:45 but sellout42 doesn't matter I did get your point 15:57:08 -!- c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:57:09 If you would write IF-OR in Ruby, you would also write IF-OR in Lisp to do the same thing. 15:57:48 sellout42: I just think web development should work on speed and after reading 600 pages and finding very little usable for the web I am bit frustrated but again has been 2 weeks so may be many things look foreign 15:58:10 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:58:27 -!- NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has left #lisp 15:58:37 d3vnu11: The problem is that different languages are different distances from each other. PHP and Ruby are relatively close compared to, say, PHP and Lisp. The farther the distance, the longer it takes to pick it up. 15:58:59 If you started with CL as your first lang, it would probably take no longer than if you started with PHP as your first. 15:59:05 sellout42: yes it seems so + obviously when lisp was invented the web was not a priority as it did not exist :) 16:00:45 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-22-138.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:00:58 It can definitely be frustrating after, say moving from C -> C++ -> Java with relative ease, to try Lisp and realize that there is a lot more distance to cover before you can feel comfortable. 16:03:09 -!- p_nathan [~Adium@75.87.250.229] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:03:36 it still doesn't work unbelievable ! can't even copy and paste LOL 16:03:42 *mstevens* has been finding trying to learn about lisp is slow but rewarding. And you have to accept a massive library shortage as compared with many other languages 16:03:47 -!- brandonz [~brandon@24.38.179.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:03:51 all this to do an OR ? 16:03:55 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:03:57 it's trivial to copy and paste "LOL" 16:04:09 mstevens: yes well I got over the library shortage 16:04:27 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-145-225.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:04:39 mstevens: you don't need 51 different libs covering the same need in subtle different ways, most of them broken, the other one incomplete and non maintained 16:04:53 so the mere number of libs wouldn't be main concern 16:05:20 dim: right this is why reddit was rewritten ..because lisp had too many libs or just enough 16:05:44 dim: Instead in lisp we have 3 libs that are incomplete and non-maintained 16:05:53 mstevens: lol 16:05:55 if anything, glancing at quicklisp's monthly changelog will quickly drive home the point about CL being susceptible to the same amount of crappy library churn as any other language 16:06:08 Jubb [~ghost@pool-108-28-0-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:06:31 yes one can say lisp has many advantages and many people might prefer it ..but less is more in the case of libs is not really true 16:06:38 appropriately scaled to the overall amount of available libraries, anyway 16:07:09 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:07:17 *mstevens* is working on a library for something that interests me (dmarc) which is new and doesn't really have much support in any language anyway 16:07:31 Well, QL is hopefully helping to start a curated set of libs, rather than just a dumping ground like CPAN or Cliki. 16:07:59 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-96-18.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 16:08:10 I do like ql 16:08:37 ql is great without ql for sure lisp wouldn't be usable for web stuff or few would be bothered 16:09:46 d3vnu11: my target was CPAN 16:10:17 sellout42: see the problem again http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_mem_m.htm is not like I did not read but..perhaps on the web the user pass you somethign else than a number of a zero....perhaps a string ? :) 16:10:20 the current lib I'm missing is easy 2D interactive drawing for stupid little games, and that's covered by sdl things it seems 16:10:24 dim: I agree with you re: CPAN 16:10:29 see ;) 16:10:37 dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:10:38 dim: but I am no big perl fan anyway 16:10:39 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 16:10:40 well, ok, ruby and python might not be there yet 16:10:46 working on it I believe 16:10:50 I hate perl 16:10:55 One specific thing I'm missing is a good mail parsing thing. I know there's a bunch on cliki but they all look a bit dodgy 16:10:57 mrSpec [~Spec@89-78-118-138.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 16:10:57 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@89-78-118-138.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Changing host] 16:10:57 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 16:10:58 almost as much as C++ 16:10:58 dim: me too ! 16:11:13 d3vnu11: (member "foo" '("foo" "bar" "baz") :test #'string=) 16:11:17 you don't get into CL just at random, I guess ;) 16:11:30 *d3vnu11* shouts up and tries sellout42 help 16:11:40 mstevens: which one did you try and what problem you couln't solve with it? 16:11:40 I do perl at work, but I hate it 16:12:05 d3vnu11: The pattern of passing the comparison function as a :TEST keyword arg is very widespread in CL. 16:13:01 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:13:22 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:13:49 dim: several looked strange and undocumented, I got far enough with mel to discover encoding errors on some of my emails 16:14:17 mstevens: Ah, yeah, I use mel as well, and curse it constantly. 16:14:49 -!- tsinaip [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has quit [Quit: #yhiselamu | www.yhiselamu.ee (EOF)] 16:15:03 mstevens: It is like the worst case situation  it works, but it takes 50 tries before you get the right incantation, and you don't know if you're hitting a bug or just misunderstanding, and there's nothing else I know to use in its stead. 16:16:24 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:17:26 sellout42: I was losing enthusiasm for email anyway thinking about how it's increasingly unpopular 16:19:30 http://wcp.sdf-eu.org/software/index.html#mime4cl ? 16:20:26 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:20:45 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:20:53 dim: I think I skipped that on the grounds of nonexistent documentation 16:21:03 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@a109-50-242-171.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 16:22:27 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:23:03 -!- deech [~user@108.209.156.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:23:03 -!- ASau [~user@95-24-181-228.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:24:03 ASau [~user@95-24-181-228.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 16:24:04 oh, ok 16:24:14 But anyway, I had a vague notion of doing some email hacking, then I asked people how much they used email, and they were all "it sucks, I live on facebook" 16:25:11 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:25:17 nforgerit [~nforgerit@HSI-KBW-149-172-198-162.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 16:27:22 tsinaip [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has joined #lisp 16:27:23 email hacking, you could try starting with gnus code base 16:27:38 (yes, that's Emacs Lisp) 16:28:10 antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has joined #lisp 16:28:25 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@24.130.4.105] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:29:18 sellout42: it works thanks a lot but what if I want to do 2 things if the input is member of the list e.g. post a thank you message + add it to a database https://gist.github.com/3889091 16:29:41 sellout42: sorry if this is really dumb 16:30:29 d3vnu11: Did you really mean to quote the other forms? 16:30:56 sellout42: may be not ? I tried both thou I think 16:31:00 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:31:41 ifnspifn [~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102] has joined #lisp 16:32:08 KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:32:51 d3vnu11: How do I edit a gist? 16:32:57 sellout42: I tried both none works :( sigh all I want to do is essentially do 2 things IF the input is a member of the list 16:33:04 sellout42: you can add a comment I think ? 16:33:44 oh thanks a lot sellout42 16:33:45 d3vnu11: Right  I forgot about code formatting. Second comment is what your code should look like. 16:33:49 *d3vnu11* looks for progn 16:34:04 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:34:18 d3vnu11: PROGN is like {  } in many languages  it performs a sequence of operations and returns the result of the last one. 16:34:33 yes this is what I wanted really the {} :D 16:34:34 That's why I also reordered it  you want to return the

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Lisp is far enough from the popular Algol-ish languages that it really requires reading a book first. 16:37:21 But, if you knew Scheme already, for example, diving in for examples would be much more reasonable. 16:37:27 It's all about that distance between languages. 16:38:16 yes I see sellout42 16:38:43 sellout42: well problem is I am not a prof programmer now I want to be as I do something else in life so I am just trying to get it done else I lose the motivation :) 16:38:57 sellout42: http://lisp.li this is how it looks so far :) 16:39:35 d3vnu11: Yeah, I understand. Bringing languages up to the level needed by people-who-just-want-to-get-stuff-done is a big area of research. We're working on it! 16:40:14 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:40:25 sellout42: :) and I understand that lisp is very wide and not just for web devl. so this is why sometimes what I look for is not so readily available 16:40:31 sellout42: thanks a lot I really mean it :) 16:41:59 p_nathan [~Adium@75.87.250.229] has joined #lisp 16:42:14 -!- Daisy [~Daisy@109.58.139.7.bredband.tre.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:43:00 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:43:25 -!- cnl [~pony@95.106.8.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:43:57 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-181.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:44:55 Houl [~Parmi@unaffiliated/houl] has joined #lisp 16:47:56 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl6-95-135.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 16:47:57 -!- sellout42 [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:49:03 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping 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i mean, write a few loops to find matching intervals? 21:01:19 francogrex: and if you did, what is the problem of the solutions that you've found? 21:01:50 H4ns, just the idea. 21:02:21 francogrex: loop over the interval, check how well the one that you're working on matches the others, remember, rinse, repeat 21:02:33 francogrex: then you may find your solution to be, e.g. slow. 21:02:55 francogrex: but you don't seem to be at that point. 21:02:56 -!- xpoqz [~xpoqz@203.80-203-124.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:03:19 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:03:34 vwvwvwv [~vwvwvwv@adsl-75-51-66-181.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:04:01 i wish there was a way to do it "statistically , instead if programatixally 21:04:27 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:06:16 francogrex: try google "interval overlap search strategies" 21:06:27 francogrex: useful hits, right on the first page 21:06:49 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