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(find-method #'print-object () '(integer t)) 01:02:20 ezakimak [~nick@ns1.nickleippe.com] has joined #lisp 01:02:39 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@76.104-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:39 -!- foo303 [foocraft@ibawizard.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:03:07 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 01:03:07 -!- postfuturist [~postfutur@stevegoss.xen.prgmr.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 01:03:20 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #lisp 01:03:23 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 01:03:37 asedeno_work [asedeno@nat/google/x-bhgpsfjgfpecjtkd] has joined #lisp 01:03:42 DrPete_ [~DrPete@unaffiliated/drpete] has joined #lisp 01:04:32 sharky: well, there doesn't have to be such a method defined 01:04:42 foo303 [foocraft@ibawizard.net] has joined #lisp 01:05:13 postfuturist [~postfutur@stevegoss.xen.prgmr.com] has joined #lisp 01:05:21 sure, I wasn't hinting that. CLHS did something like this and it appears to be unnecessary: (find-method #'print-object () (mapcar 'find-class '(integer t))) 01:05:46 -!- sshirokov [sshirokov@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:05:47 -!- DrPete [~DrPete@unaffiliated/drpete] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:06:24 -!- naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:06:29 (the mapcar 'find-class part instead of sending just symbols) 01:06:31 sshirokov [sshirokov@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has joined #lisp 01:06:43 I'm not sure. I don't think symbols are qualifiers, technically. 01:09:12 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:12:01 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 01:12:42 bitonic [~user@027cae25.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 01:18:22 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:19:34 -!- steffi_s [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178025755.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 01:21:10 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 01:24:48 -!- ltbarcly [~ltbarcly@216.113.168.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:25:54 cryptic [~cryptic@pool-96-246-91-191.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:26:21 -!- cryptic [~cryptic@pool-96-246-91-191.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 01:27:32 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:28:03 billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 01:30:06 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 01:30:06 sharky: It's not portable, no (clisp, for instance, does not do find-class on symbols there). The specializers argument to #'find-method does not (by the standard) take designators, but only class objects. (/Why/ I do not know, because designators would be much more convenient in many cases.) see also "parameter specializer" in the glossary, which is specifically restricted to a class, or a list (eql object). 01:33:15 -!- bitonic [~user@027cae25.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:36:17 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:36:20 cryptic [~cryptic@pool-96-246-91-191.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:39:00 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 01:39:05 lars- [~lars@37.244.177.156] has joined #lisp 01:39:05 -!- lars- [~lars@37.244.177.156] has quit [Client Quit] 01:39:43 -!- sshirokov [sshirokov@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:41:40 joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lisp 01:41:46 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 01:44:15 ebobby [~fms@70-36-138-244.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 01:44:39 -!- ebobby is now known as Guest88012 01:45:11 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:47:59 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 01:48:17 -!- sbryant [freenode@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:48:17 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:49:40 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@76.104-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 01:49:40 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@76.104-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Changing host] 01:49:40 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 01:50:00 sbryant [freenode@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has joined #lisp 01:52:13 -!- cnl [~pony@95.106.8.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:52:19 sshirokov [sshirokov@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has joined #lisp 01:53:19 -!- Guest88012 [~fms@70-36-138-244.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:54:30 cnl [~pony@95.106.8.79] has joined #lisp 01:54:35 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:56:01 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:56:01 -!- sbryant [freenode@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:56:57 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 02:00:46 sbenitezb [~sbenitezb@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 02:02:54 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:03:36 pinterface thanks, good to know 02:03:40 -!- sshirokov [sshirokov@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:03:40 sshirokov [sshirokov@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has joined #lisp 02:03:40 sbryant [freenode@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has joined #lisp 02:03:48 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:04:29 -!- sharky [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has quit [Quit: quit] 02:05:50 -!- agumonkey [~agu@206.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:05:56 steffi_s [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178025755.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 02:06:39 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 02:07:02 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:08:57 -!- SsvRrwQ [~user@24.68.50.61] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:09:07 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 02:09:35 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A37C6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:11:49 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-4-28.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:12:30 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:13:45 Jubb [~ghost@pool-108-28-0-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:14:44 mooglenorph [~marco@70-90-96-161-ma-ne.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 02:15:42 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 02:16:18 Set equality, where sets are represented as lists a and b: (and (subsetp a b) (subsetp b a)). Is there no builtin for this? Can't find set-equal in clhs. 02:17:27 I don't think so because there's a set-equal function in the alexandria package 02:18:17 if you want to use sets regularly, try something like fset, it should be faster than linked lists. 02:20:27 Bike: thank you, this looks good. 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[~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:24:17 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 05:25:50 msmith0957 [~mike@pool-72-92-19-13.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:26:14 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-4-28.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:27:26 am0c [~am0c@112.149.169.27] has joined #lisp 05:27:35 i have to write a 8puzzle solver using a few search methods. i'm starting with bfs but kind of new to lisp 05:27:50 what would be a good data structure to maintain the tree of board states 05:28:19 and.. i also need to maintain a list of visited states. i know 'member' can tell me if its part of my visited array, but if its huge, which it will be, i wonder if theres a 'better' way of doing it 05:28:41 -!- doomlord_ [~servitor@host81-157-102-115.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:29:17 you could use a binary search tree for the set of states, 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[~marcolino@dynamic-adsl-78-13-149-98.clienti.tiscali.it] has left #lisp 11:36:57 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 11:38:22 -!- Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:41:33 I was wondering if I could bounce some ideas about lisp implementation with someone? 11:42:07 huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has joined #lisp 11:43:08 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:45:55 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 11:46:42 ehu [~ehu@46.44.153.152] has joined #lisp 11:46:47 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has quit [Client Quit] 11:48:10 huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has joined #lisp 11:49:01 Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 11:49:31 elderK: i got nothin', but have you read the classic books on the topic? 11:49:51 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:50:52 Xach: who's working on the lisp-unit fix? I mean, I'm sure you aren't, right? 11:51:04 ehu: everything is ready 11:51:13 perfect! 11:51:13 ehu: now all i need is time, and i have a bit today 11:51:25 I'm excited, because it should be an important release for ABCL. 11:51:29 *Xach* has a few hours before going to a wedding 11:51:47 -!- topobot [~topobot@31.4.243.240] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:52:35 ZoZoTeZ looks quite pretty! :) 11:52:40 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-245.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:52:46 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Quit: +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++] 11:52:46 topobot [~topobot@31.4.243.240] has joined #lisp 11:52:55 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:55:20 -!- theplanet is now known as elixey 11:55:26 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:55:28 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-245.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:55:31 -!- elixey [~eilyx@gateway/tor-sasl/eilyx] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:55:38 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 11:55:42 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-245.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:56:08 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 11:57:30 NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has joined #lisp 11:58:26 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has joined #lisp 11:59:14 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 11:59:38 -!- NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has left #lisp 12:01:33 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 12:02:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:03:54 -!- Amadiro [jonathri@dalvik.ping.uio.no] has quit [Excess Flood] 12:05:19 Amadiro [jonathri@dalvik.ping.uio.no] has joined #lisp 12:05:57 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 12:09:45 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 12:10:18 huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has joined #lisp 12:11:37 -!- ehu [~ehu@46.44.153.152] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:12:29 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:14:57 -!- ljosa [~ljosa@pool-96-252-83-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: ljosa] 12:15:12 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 12:17:03 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:20:01 mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has joined #lisp 12:20:33 -!- user123abc [~sally@c-67-171-79-251.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:21:47 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:24:03 Sorella__ [~quildreen@189-12-62-16.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #lisp 12:25:01 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 12:27:01 -!- Sorella_ [~quildreen@201-58-193-56.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:31:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:32:06 -!- mpstyler [~mpstyler@176.73.151.79] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 12:32:39 -!- Posterdati [~antani@host45-237-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34:48 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 12:34:51 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-184-182.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 12:35:40 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.55.184] has joined #lisp 12:37:55 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-030-065.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:39:30 drl [~drl@110.139.229.172] has joined #lisp 12:40:02 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-231-047.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 12:40:34 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-25-86.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:41:43 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:41:53 Xach: Of course :) 12:42:14 I'm just having some trouble getting my head around some aspects; implementing lisp in lisp but in a way that the new lisp manages everything, including memory. 12:42:34 The thing that gets me is how could the lisp be truly stand-alone if it started by using the host lisp's runtime? Wouldn't every successive iteration require the same runtime? 12:42:45 -!- _tca [~tca@thewired.me] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:42:52 Unless, that is, you generated LAP from the new implementation or targeted C, with a generated runtime or a minimal support runtime written in C. 12:43:05 Which, as usual, you could treat as a machine-independent assembly language. 12:43:14 Although, could you really then still say that hte implementation is truly written in lisp? 12:43:51 I subscribe to the WGAS philosophy on such matters 12:44:11 elderK: ... as I said, you need to make the new lisp generate stuff that will work directly with underlying platform. EOT 12:44:49 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 12:45:09 WGAS? 12:45:11 And aye, p_l. 12:45:24 Re-L [~Arttt@242-79-203-46.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 12:45:24 so, generating C or Assembly. 12:45:25 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has quit [Quit: ] 12:46:06 Who Gives A Shit 12:46:18 Heh :P 12:47:38 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-5d81aa42.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:49:43 -!- elderK [~k@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has left #lisp 12:50:51 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:51:53 *Xach* gets some quicklisp updates going 12:52:52 billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 12:53:40 mouflon [skajohan@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE] has joined #lisp 12:53:51 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 12:54:50 -!- Sorella__ is now known as Sorella 12:54:59 -!- Sorella [~quildreen@189-12-62-16.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Changing host] 12:54:59 Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has joined #lisp 12:55:10 zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has joined #lisp 13:00:16 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:02:58 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:04:45 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 13:05:51 -!- Daisy [Emhh@109.58.93.40.bredband.tre.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:06:03 Daisy [Daisy@109.58.93.40.bredband.tre.se] has joined #lisp 13:09:34 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:09:43 -!- benny [~user@i577A7DA0.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:10:46 benny [~user@i577A7DA0.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 13:10:59 -!- naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:11:38 p_nathan [~Adium@75.87.250.229] has joined #lisp 13:12:11 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.215] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:13:02 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:13:09 -!- basdirks_ [~basdirks@5352A3FB.cm-6-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:19:12 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:22:06 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:26:50 -!- billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:27:36 d3vnu11 [~devnull@174-30.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 13:28:00 I have a question how can I use (ql:quickload for loading something outside of the local-projects folder ? 13:28:07 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:30:36 d3vnu11: symlinking is one way 13:30:49 d3vnu11: adding its path to asdf:*central-registry* is another 13:30:54 there are ven more ways 13:31:00 "even more" rather, 13:31:26 Xach: I am working on a free hosting idea for lisp web apps but all I did so far in lisp web I load it from the local-projects dir 13:31:38 b__ [~basdirks@5352A3FB.cm-6-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lisp 13:31:44 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:32:08 Xach: what is another way to load a package and use the main quicklisp folder for dependencies etc. like sharing them system wide ..just (load " " ) ? 13:32:28 Xach: may be I should try symlinking umh but I wanted each user to have his own folder :) 13:34:00 hmm 13:34:50 d3vnu11: extending asdf:*central-registry* is probably the easiest thing 13:35:33 Xach: I see and how do I do that? :) 13:35:43 -!- jaxtr [~vazakl@22.50.5646.static.theplanet.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:35:47 Xach: aren't ql packages available by default system wide e.g. like gems ? 13:36:02 Xach: I meant user wide not system wide 13:36:41 -!- kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 13:37:08 sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has joined #lisp 13:37:09 kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #lisp 13:37:38 d3vnu11: yes, user wide. 13:37:40 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:38:09 d3vnu11: if you want to install it for all users, you will have to use Initiative and Creativity. sorry about that. 13:38:23 sellout42 [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:40:35 Xach: sorry my question was probably poorly formulated. I am using a jailing/sandbox system so any sandboxed app is e.g. inside /Users/gurugeek/sandboxed users. Now I have in the same user /Users/gurugeek/quicklisp where inside the local-projects I host my stuff e.g. http://lisp.li is in that folder. Now the idea was to have e.g. a free hosted app on /Users/gurugeek/sandboxedapp/randomuser/randompackage.lisp and be able to do lik 13:40:35 e (ql:quickload "randompackage") benefitting from the libs and all already installed in /Users/gurugeek/quicklisp 13:40:42 hope it makes sense :) 13:40:51 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:41:45 I am using OS X sandboxing so I do not need a separate system user for a sandboxed web app 13:42:22 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:42:55 kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 13:43:02 I don't know, sorry. 13:43:30 xach: np thanks 13:46:12 LiamH [~healy@pool-173-73-125-152.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:47:35 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:49:24 I used to run "slime-disconnect" in the *inferior-lisp* buffer, then (sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die "il-core" :executable t :toplevel 'lat-il::il-gui) to make a stand alone program. But that doesn't work anymore. What does? 13:50:00 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:51:49 I'm using: SBCL 1.1.0.5-614ca4e 13:55:57 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.136.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:56:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:59:06 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:59:54 what doesn't work about it? 14:00:10 billitch [~billitch@bastille.ma3.tv] has joined #lisp 14:02:27 p_nathan: I think I remember how to do this. I'll try, and let you know. 14:02:36 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@lns-c10k-ft-02-t2-89-83-137-164.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:05:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:05:56 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 14:07:55 gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 14:08:54 -!- billitch [~billitch@bastille.ma3.tv] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:09:21 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:09:56 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053011197.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 14:10:35 -!- sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:12:05 sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has joined #lisp 14:15:47 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:15:50 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl6-95-135.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 14:16:37 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl6-95-135.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 14:18:27 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:19:51 Jubb [~ghost@pool-108-28-0-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:22:10 -!- jjkola [~androirc@212-226-43-100-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has quit [Quit: quit] 14:22:26 vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.140.191] has joined #lisp 14:24:40 -!- vantage|home is now known as elfenixtorres 14:24:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:25:49 urandom__ [~user@p548A3D88.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 14:27:51 steffi_s [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178025755.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 14:28:25 KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:28:29 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:33:53 -!- agumonkey [~agu@206.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:33:57 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:34:43 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:35:33 agumonkey [~agu@206.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 14:37:28 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:40:32 -!- steffi_s [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178025755.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 14:42:42 _tca [~tca@xsoft.us] has joined #lisp 14:43:46 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:44:24 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:46:05 -!- pinterface [~pinterfac@67-3-68-239.desm.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:46:11 nha [~prefect@koln-5d81aa42.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 14:46:32 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:47:17 -!- sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:50:25 sbcl manual says, "On threaded platforms only a single thread may remain running after sb-ext:*save-hooks* have run. Applications using multiple threads can be save-lisp-and-die friendly by registering a save-hook that quits any additional threads, and an init-hook that restarts them." Would someone please show me examples registering these two hooks? 14:53:35 (push (lambda () (format t "Cap'n~%")) *save-hooks*) 14:53:51 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:54:34 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-5d81aa42.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:56:32 sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has joined #lisp 14:56:49 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:57:24 nha [~prefect@koln-4d0dc4bc.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 14:58:15 rTypo [~tux@unaffiliated/rtypo] has joined #lisp 15:01:36 _tca_ [~tca@thewired.me] has joined #lisp 15:02:31 -!- sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has quit [] 15:03:02 sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has joined #lisp 15:03:28 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:03:28 -!- _tca [~tca@xsoft.us] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:04:14 -!- PuercoPop [~user@190.41.173.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:06:46 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:07:05 veemon [~veemon@unaffiliated/veemon] has joined #lisp 15:08:04 pkhuong: Thanks. I'm working on this. I messed up somehow. Looks like I'm going to have to close emacs and reload everything. 15:09:27 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.204.174] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:09:33 drl: it may be simpler to just load stuff in and save a core from the command line, or to use buildapp. 15:11:13 -!- sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has quit [] 15:11:26 sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has joined #lisp 15:11:37 -!- sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:12:14 sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has joined #lisp 15:13:13 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:13:58 -!- sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has quit [Client Quit] 15:14:16 sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has joined #lisp 15:15:25 xav_ [6dd77829@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.215.120.41] has joined #lisp 15:15:37 -!- xav_ [6dd77829@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.215.120.41] has left #lisp 15:15:58 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:19:06 francogrex [~francogre@109.130.111.30] has joined #lisp 15:19:59 -!- fantazo_ [~fantazo@91-119-123-199.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:20:03 message for me? 15:20:30 minion: how is it? 15:20:32 fine i'm sure 15:21:35 fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-123-199.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 15:21:41 minion: (+ 2 3) 15:21:42 does torturing a poor bot with things beyond its comprehension please you? 15:22:13 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:22:14 just testing, plus I'm bored. 15:22:26 pkhuong: Can buildapp be run from the slime repl? 15:23:04 -!- francogrex [~francogre@109.130.111.30] has quit [Client Quit] 15:23:35 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:24:08 I assume not. 15:25:18 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:26:13 -!- zolk3ri is now known as zolk3ri_ 15:26:15 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 15:26:24 -!- zolk3ri_ is now known as zolk3ri 15:27:45 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl6-95-135.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 15:31:27 drl: kind of. 15:31:50 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:32:11 it runs sbcl in another process for you, though. 15:33:25 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.55.184] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 15:33:42 alvis [~user@tx-184-6-180-75.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 15:34:40 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:35:36 Xach: From the documentation it looks like it is run from the linux shell command line. I'm confused. 15:35:57 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.89.183] has joined #lisp 15:36:03 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@94.137.55.155] has joined #lisp 15:40:55 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:42:37 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 15:42:56 Perhaps I need to rephrase my question: what is the simplist why to make a sbcl stand alone executable program? 15:43:12 why = way 15:43:16 manni [~user@dslb-088-066-038-180.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 15:43:47 -!- manni [~user@dslb-088-066-038-180.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:43:58 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:45:45 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-094-218-037-195.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: humhum] 15:46:07 save-lisp-and-die 15:47:25 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 15:47:30 drl: http://www.cliki.net/Creating%20Executables 15:48:02 drl: it works from any command line. you can also run it in the repl, but it's not much different from running it from the command line that way. 15:48:09 i have used it ok in a dos window 15:49:25 killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has joined #lisp 15:50:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:53:54 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:57:37 Thanks, everyone! I'll have to work on this next week. 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Just pulled down the new quicklisp update. Generating errors on babel in file enc-unicode. (sbcl 1.0.58) Anyone else seeing this? 18:00:11 Babel is not even listed as being an updated package 18:00:47 more 18:00:59 which quciklisp version ? 18:01:10 what is your platform locale ? 18:01:14 Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 18:01:21 what is your external locale for sbcl ? 18:01:35 platform locale is utf-8 18:01:39 did you use some other enc before and now changed ? 18:01:52 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:02:08 ok enc is utf8 but not locale, locale is something like de_DE or en_US or so 18:02:41 Sorry. en_US 18:02:42 de_DE.UTF-8 is the locale with that encoding..... 18:02:48 for example 18:03:08 hmm, so you say you didn't change anything ? 18:03:20 en_US.utf8 18:03:42 No intentionally 18:04:55 Error message is #:~A-CODE-POINT-COUNTER fell through ETYPECASE expression Wanted one of (STRING SIMPLE-STRING) 18:05:07 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:05:41 -!- alvis [~user@tx-184-6-180-75.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:05:58 ah 18:08:35 Error is triggered in the macroexpansions of define-ucs .... 18:09:37 i didn't pull yet 18:10:02 -!- Re-L [~Arttt@242-79-203-46.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:11:48 Yuuhi [benni@p5483BF1C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:12:02 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:12:31 Just to make sure I'm getting all the locales right. en_US:utf8 is from the linux locale command. My .emacs is just set with utf-8, no specific local. Nothing has changed in that respect in years 18:12:31 -!- SanderM [~quassel@195.169.216.170] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:15:17 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:16:45 for cl-ppcre:register-groups-bind, is there a way to get the end position of the match? Can I embed lisp code in the RE? 18:17:46 sabra: the error message indicates it's some wrong code in babel triggering that....i don't think it's on your side the fault! 18:17:49 sabra: babel loads fine here. what are you doing to cause the error? 18:18:05 sabra: maybe change back to the older version ? if you have a local copy ? 18:19:07 sabra: unless you have code in your .sbclrc which triggers that...... 18:19:11 flip214: ppcre:scan will get you the positions 18:19:56 PuercoPop [~user@190.41.173.174] has joined #lisp 18:21:01 Sorella__ [~quildreen@189-12-49-237.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #lisp 18:21:17 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:22:32 I don't think babel changed. I deleted all my quicklisp fasls. Did the standard (ql:update-dist "quicklisp") Then did (ql:quickload :babel). Suddenly, breakage where there had not been breakage before 18:23:36 sbclrc just sets pathnames and pushes two directors to the asdf:*central-registry* 18:24:09 Next step rebooting the box? 18:24:18 -!- Sorella_ [~quildreen@189-12-49-237.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:24:31 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:25:10 paste a backtrace? 18:25:38 sabra: make sure path-names didn't change.... 18:25:52 they do on upgrades mostly.... 18:27:14 http://paste.lisp.org/+2U9Q 18:27:38 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-4d0dc4bc.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:28:28 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:29:25 hm. dunno, sorry. 18:29:27 doesn't say much, make sure you don't have stale fasls in ~/.cache/common-lisp/ and also rm -rf .slime in ~ before your restart your sbcl and make sure, you start it with --no-sysinit --no-userinit to make sure it's not caused by addons/contribs or your own init file 18:29:51 and check paths too, those may have changed... 18:30:56 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:32:05 LiamH [~healy@pool-173-73-125-152.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:33:45 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:37:06 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:38:47 -!- HG` [~HG@wprt-4db6e643.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:40:33 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:42:43 HG` [~HG@wprt-4db6e643.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 18:43:55 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:47:15 -!- sabra [~wol@67.174.222.215] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:49:18 ebobby [~fms@70-36-138-244.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 18:49:42 -!- ebobby is now known as Guest91427 18:50:00 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:50:17 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: this computer sucks] 18:50:17 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:50:27 -!- HG` [~HG@wprt-4db6e643.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:50:45 HG` [~HG@wprt-4db6e643.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 18:52:56 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:53:42 -!- paul0 [~user@200.146.126.143.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:53:52 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:54:07 -!- paul0` [~user@200.146.126.143.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:54:53 paul0 [~user@200.146.126.143.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 18:55:46 -!- ered [~ered@108-201-125-162.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:56:39 -!- HG` [~HG@wprt-4db6e643.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:57:10 ered [~ered@108-201-125-162.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:57:32 bbvsdfsdfsf [~b@cpc14-acto3-2-0-cust114.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 18:57:48 -!- cnl [~pony@95.106.8.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:57:52 ThomasH [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/thomash] has joined #lisp 18:59:41 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 18:59:48 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:00:15 Greetings lispers 19:02:09 Xach: I'm going to merge the new lisp-unit interface into master and get version 0.9.0 ready. Will this screw anything up in Quicklisp now that the dist is out? 19:03:07 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:04:21 huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has joined #lisp 19:04:34 ThomasH: not in this dist. 19:04:47 -!- brandonz [~brandon@24.38.179.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:04:53 ThomasH: every file in the dist is cached on the quicklisp infrastructure. 19:04:53 pnpu1f [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 19:05:12 -!- rTypo [~tux@unaffiliated/rtypo] has left #lisp 19:06:09 cnl [~pony@95.106.8.79] has joined #lisp 19:07:14 ehu: Understood 19:07:50 -!- bbvsdfsdfsf [~b@cpc14-acto3-2-0-cust114.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:07:54 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:08:11 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:08:35 -!- p_nathan [~Adium@75.87.250.229] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:08:49 -!- guther_ [guther@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-ezdxemtbzgkyqpxp] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:09:27 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:12:34 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-173-73-125-152.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:12:53 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:14:05 two- [~textual@c-67-171-131-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:14:23 -!- pnpu1f [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: Bye :)] 19:14:40 HG` [~HG@wprt-4db6e643.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 19:15:15 guther [guther@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-glsxowojtemrtovl] has joined #lisp 19:19:20 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:23:04 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:27:50 LiamH [~healy@pool-173-73-125-152.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:30:20 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:31:56 sabra [~sabra@67.174.222.215] has joined #lisp 19:33:23 -!- sabra [~sabra@67.174.222.215] has quit [Client Quit] 19:33:27 -!- Guest91427 [~fms@70-36-138-244.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:33:47 qptain_Nemo [~qN@81-235-52-30-no79.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 19:33:54 hmm, did the pull, no problems so far...... 19:34:03 dunno what her issue was..... 19:34:21 sabra [~wol@67.174.222.215] has joined #lisp 19:34:30 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:37:35 Re-L [~Arttt@213.186.108.208.pool.3g.utel.ua] has joined #lisp 19:37:50 Daisy [~Daisy@109.58.3.218.bredband.tre.se] has joined #lisp 19:38:14 no luck so far on the babel compilation problem. Even created a new user to be completely clean. Practically everything other than babel compiles and using older versions of babel doesn't change. Somewhere I did something to my box 19:38:43 superflit_ [~superflit@75-171-200-250.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:39:12 -!- bitonic [~user@027cae25.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:39:39 sabra: are you maybe using a locally modified version of babel by mistake? 19:40:27 -!- superflit [~superflit@65-128-43-170.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:40:27 -!- superflit_ is now known as superflit 19:40:58 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:44:39 -!- agumonkey [~agu@206.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:44:39 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:46:12 agumonkey [~agu@206.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 19:47:47 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@208.185.18.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:49:21 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:49:45 Sorella_ [~quildreen@189-12-49-237.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #lisp 19:51:16 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:51:26 huangjs_ [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has joined #lisp 19:51:26 -!- huangjs_ [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:51:34 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:52:35 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:52:38 -!- agumonkey [~agu@206.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:53:03 -!- Sorella__ [~quildreen@189-12-49-237.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:53:09 agumonkey [~agu@206.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 19:54:03 Nothing in local other than what I pulled down from quicklisp (deleted that and pulled again just to be safe), nothing in /usr/share/common-lisp. 19:54:51 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:55:18 choly [~choly@d173-238-97-103.home4.cgocable.net] has joined #lisp 19:56:06 you said the error was '#:~a-code-point-counter falling through an etypecase. could you look at enc-unicode and see where that could be happening? as far as I can tell that only comes up in two places, both format-symbol calls. 19:56:21 -!- choly [~choly@d173-238-97-103.home4.cgocable.net] has left #lisp 19:58:08 http://paste.lisp.org/+2U9T 20:01:17 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:02:10 Forty-3 [~seana11@208.185.18.58] has joined #lisp 20:04:31 msmith0957 [~Mike@pool-72-92-19-13.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:05:04 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:05:15 -!- msmith0957 [~Mike@pool-72-92-19-13.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:05:34 user123abc [~sally@c-67-171-79-251.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:07:56 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-173-73-125-152.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:08:36 msmith0957 [~Mike@pool-72-92-19-13.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:08:57 LiamH [~healy@pool-173-73-134-95.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:09:26 -!- two- [~textual@c-67-171-131-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:09:29 sabra: you seem to have an old version of alexandria around 20:09:31 every time i load my lisp file, i realize that old definitions arent going away. how do i make sure that every time i load everything else is forgotten? 20:09:37 or would i have to close clisp, and relaunch again 20:10:26 msmith0957: yes 20:10:32 relaunch ? 20:10:50 msmith0957: or you'll have a fun time of unbinding symbols and funcs etc..... 20:11:03 is that the 'safest' thing to do then ? 20:11:12 yes 20:11:16 bitonic [~user@027cae25.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 20:11:18 ok, thanks 20:11:20 msmith0957: loading can involve anything being executed, and not everything is reversible 20:11:49 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:11:54 -!- msmith0957 [~Mike@pool-72-92-19-13.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:12:35 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 20:12:43 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@208.185.18.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:14:50 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@a109-51-35-80.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 20:15:19 -!- Daisy [~Daisy@109.58.3.218.bredband.tre.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:15:20 antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has joined #lisp 20:15:23 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:15:53 fe[nl]ix: Thank you thank you thank you. That solved it 20:16:48 xpoqz [~xpoqz@80.203.124.203] has joined #lisp 20:17:12 Xach: ping 20:17:14 when i do upgrade, i upgrade all libs i have in use, not just one...... 20:17:20 meh 20:18:30 Posterdati [~antani@host45-237-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 20:20:02 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:22:20 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:22:52 -!- Re-L [~Arttt@213.186.108.208.pool.3g.utel.ua] has quit [Quit:     (xchat 2.4.5  )] 20:25:14 Daisy [Emhh@95.209.143.139.bredband.tre.se] has joined #lisp 20:25:38 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:27:29 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-141-7.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 20:30:07 Forty-3 [~seana11@208.185.18.58] has joined #lisp 20:31:04 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 20:31:52 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:32:23 -!- eldar [~CLD@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [] 20:32:26 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Client Quit] 20:35:53 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:39:47 s0ber_ [~s0ber@114-25-203-224.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 20:41:42 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-236-39.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:41:54 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:41:55 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 20:42:19 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:43:18 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 20:43:45 -!- xpoqz [~xpoqz@80.203.124.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:46:09 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:46:13 -!- cnl [~pony@95.106.8.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:53:39 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:54:34 cnl [~pony@95.106.8.79] has joined #lisp 20:54:47 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@208.185.18.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:54:55 -!- nightfly_ [~sage@sagenite.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:57:22 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:59:16 AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@76.78.168.158] has joined #lisp 21:05:12 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:07:37 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:09:07 nightfly_ [~sage@sagenite.net] has joined #lisp 21:13:33 homie_ [~homie@xdsl-78-35-183-130.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:13:48 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-173-73-134-95.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:14:02 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:15:52 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-128-197.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:16:23 -!- homie [~homie@xdsl-78-35-128-197.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:16:32 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:16:46 -!- HG` [~HG@wprt-4db6e643.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:17:06 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-133-181.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 21:19:31 elixey [~eilyx@gateway/tor-sasl/eilyx] has joined #lisp 21:19:48 -!- Euthy [~euthy@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:20:18 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:20:52 Sorella__ [~quildreen@189-12-49-237.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #lisp 21:22:34 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:23:18 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@a109-51-35-80.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 21:23:34 msmith0957 [~Mike@pool-72-92-19-13.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:23:35 -!- _tca_ [~tca@thewired.me] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:24:18 -!- Sorella_ [~quildreen@189-12-49-237.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:24:26 if i pass a list to a function, call nconc with that list, and then a local variable of the function, what happens to those apended list values once the function returns ? 21:25:11 ioa [~xmike@dynamic2-249-006.usc.edu] has joined #lisp 21:25:30 the passed list will be altered, assuming it's not nil. 21:25:35 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:26:05 yes, but once that local var goes out of scope, will it gc that memory ? 21:26:12 and then left with garbage in the list 21:26:40 if you can't access something, it's (hopefully) up for gc. 21:26:58 so, what i first said would be a bad thing to do then, right ? 21:28:00 i'm not sure if i should be making copies of the list i'll be computing, which will get to possible 100k elements large, or if making changes in place. but then my confusion is what happens as local vars change values or go out of scope (if not making copies) 21:28:08 You shouldn't have to worry about the gc removing things that /are/ accessible, if that's what you mean. 21:28:17 I'm not sure I understand your original question however. 21:29:55 I've just published new thing of cl-test-grid - separate report with resutls for every library 21:30:23 every library in Quicklisp 21:30:27 may be found at http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-test-grid/library/.html 21:30:46 index of all the library reports: http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-test-grid/library/ 21:31:15 -!- SHUPFS [~hercules@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:31:55 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:32:20 SHUPFS [~hercules@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 21:32:23 what do irc like in the way of unit test frameworks? 21:32:32 xuser [xuser@unaffiliated/xuser] has joined #lisp 21:34:33 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:36:05 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-184-182.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:36:17 -!- diptanuc [~diptanuc@168.63.107.87] has left #lisp 21:36:34 hmm, lisp-unit looks popular 21:37:44 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@116.26.21.175] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9] 21:37:57 5am is pretty popular as one of the 'heavier' frameworks. 21:38:18 and well, i like it 21:38:24 I want light, but I want something that provides some sort of useful "make test" equivalent 21:38:48 what do you mean by that ? 21:38:55 mstevens: 'heavier' isn't that heavy. 21:39:23 mstevens: go for FiveAM 21:39:24 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-245.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:39:27 fe[nl]ix: not much, just an easy way to run lots of tests in one go, preferably in some sort of command-line form 21:39:54 or maybe via asdf 21:39:55 not sure 21:39:58 mstevens: you have a repl. 5am has (run! 'test-suite) 21:39:59 some people like eos as a replacement to fiveam - eos has the same api, but less dependencies 21:40:02 still working out what I'm doing 21:40:10 and you can hook it up to asdf. 21:40:10 antonv: that's incorrect 21:40:31 fe[nl]ix: what exactly? same api or less dependencies? 21:40:35 antonv: both 21:40:44 fe[nl]ix: 5am doesn't have arnesi or whatever as a dependency anymore? 21:40:50 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:40:50 no 21:40:54 I removed them long ago 21:40:55 ah ok 21:40:59 *it 21:41:09 well, arnesi is plural :D 21:41:18 Eos got forked in pre-quicklisp times, when it mattered a little more. 21:41:31 -!- xuser [xuser@unaffiliated/xuser] has left #lisp 21:41:40 and 5am has probably been receiving love this whole time, whereas Eos' maintainer isn't really around :) 21:42:07 I'm trying to learn lisp. I've written myself a little parser in what I think is an asdf package. Now I want to write some tests to see if it works, rather than my current strategy of keeping a file with bits of stuff to eval in slime 21:42:44 write a function with a bunch of asserts. 21:42:56 nicdev [user@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:4986] has joined #lisp 21:43:00 it's less overhead than having a test framework. 21:43:16 (defun test-my-thing () (assert (= 1 (run-my-function)))) 21:43:26 and just call (test-my-thing) from your REPL while you develop. 21:43:47 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:44:22 you're not building a system that needs to test a large application, integrate with CI, or anything like that, do you? 21:44:31 are you* 21:44:45 mstevens: see bordeaux-threads for an example of how to setup a test suite with fiveam 21:45:03 sykopomp: well no, although I sort of want to pretend I'm writing a larger system than I actually am, for educational purposes 21:46:00 eh. Larger Lisp systems don't have tests or documentation or anything like that! If you want the real thing, hack away in one huge package until the pieces seem to fall in place. :) 21:47:16 I like tests :) 21:49:30 I think my parser's probably a bit dodgy, there's too much code 21:49:47 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:51:11 intinig [~user@151.78.145.29] has joined #lisp 21:51:34 hello everyone 21:51:46 hello inting 21:51:52 hi 21:52:49 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:59:35 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:01:24 i want a list so that i can invariably add/remove elements to/from either front or back. what should i use ? 22:02:00 a dequeue? 22:02:35 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:03:04 yeah, i suppose so 22:03:05 -!- antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:03:24 i'm supposed to be implementing the queuing funcitons myself.. but not sure what underlying structure i shoul duse 22:03:27 |3b|` [foobar@cpe-72-179-19-4.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:04:39 -!- |3b| [foobar@cpe-72-179-19-4.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:51 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-133-181.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:06:11 _tca [~tca@thewired.me] has joined #lisp 22:06:19 -!- bitonic [~user@027cae25.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:08:19 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:08:46 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:11:27 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:13:46 ifnspifn [~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102] has joined #lisp 22:13:53 brandonz [~brandon@24.38.179.215] has joined #lisp 22:14:17 -!- b__ [~basdirks@5352A3FB.cm-6-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:15:12 Hey. If I have two propositional equation (say, "(AND p (OR q r))" and "(AND s p)") with potentially disjoint sets of variables, can I show (in)equality by writing out out the truth table of the union of those sets, and saying that if the truth output is equal for each input, the two equations are equal? 22:17:01 steffi_s [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178025755.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 22:17:35 ifnspifn: is this a lisp question? 22:17:49 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:17:55 Ralith: well, it's a propositional logic question, but I'm writing a lisp function to describe equality 22:17:57 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:17:57 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 22:18:29 Ralith: and logic is usually understood fairly well among functional circles, so I thought I'd see about your guys' input :] 22:19:08 do you mean to ask if such a definition meets the usual requirements of a definition of equality, i.e. transitivity, reflexivity, etc? 22:20:06 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:20:15 there are many different possible definitions of equality on arbitrary propositions. 22:20:29 antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has joined #lisp 22:20:45 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:22:00 that's fair. I suppose I'm asking if truth table equivalence meets those qualities, yes, and in particular in the case where the propositions in question have disjoint variables 22:22:56 for instance, "(OR p (OR q (NOT q)))" should be equal to just "p", and I was curious as to whether enumerating the truth table describes all cases like this 22:23:16 you could just elimiate that subexpression in that case... 22:23:38 obviously in that case it does, but I wasn't certain if there was a loss of generality for all such cases 22:23:41 -!- _d3f [~d3f@46.183.216.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:24 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 22:25:29 right, in a simple case like that the answer is clear, but my function only enumerates truth tables and compares output -- so, my question is, given all equal propositions, including ones with unequal variable sets, does the truth table method work 22:26:10 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:26:14 how are you comparing truth tables of different size? 22:26:30 Trystam [~Tristam@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has joined #lisp 22:27:00 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:27:14 I think the idea is that, say, if you have the expression (and a b), and only want to deal with the variable a, you put out sort of a pseudo-table saying that (and a b) = b and (and a b) = false? 22:27:15 well technically, I'm not. Say expression 1 has the variables {p, q, r} and expression 2 has {a, b, q}, then I do a single truth table for the union {p, q, r, a, b} 22:27:41 -!- Tristam [~Tristam@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:29:18 ah. 22:29:35 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:29:46 well, it's certainly reflexive and transitive. 22:30:38 Bike: I'm not sure I totally understand; I don't want to necessarily isolate variables, I just want to compare all possible inputs for both expressions, and see if the outputs are equal. 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